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[QUOTE=PokerWiesBaden;2247835]If betty is your superstar, then just ask her for whatsapp or fb.
Then you always know when she will be working.[/QUOTE]You must be luckier than others to receive Betty's Whatsapp or Facebook. Some are required to complete heavy investment in Betty's financial demands to be honored with those digits.
[QUOTE=TankTank123;2247520]The 2 such girls I know faced a somewhat different situation. Both had already been working in Germany before, so their deadline to get registered was 31st December 2017 rather than 30th June 2017.
The 2 girls came back during their Easter vacation in April 2018, went to the police station and was told that their appointment to register would be more than 1 month later, but that they could work in the FKK as long as they had made an appointment (since they produced evidence that they had worked in that FKK before). However, as they had to return to Romania after their Easter vacation, they subsequently postponed their appointment date to July. During their summer vacation in July, they duly came back and spent an afternoon to fill up some forms that took 10 minutes, with the rest of the time in that afternoon getting briefed on how to put on a condom by a woman who they said sounded very uncertain on how to put a condom safely on. So, downtime was just 1 afternoon.[/QUOTE]Well that is good for the freelancers that come in from the East that have worked in Germany before. They can continue to work now having registered.
Is this also the case too that new girls can work in the club without a licence who are brand new to Germany which is what Ho was after. From what you are saying, and correct me, it seems that new girls who cannot prove that they have worked in Germany clubs or brothels before cannot provisionally work in a club until they have become registered with the authorities. The implication of this is that there will be a delay with new girls starting up creating a barrier to new girls working since they cannot just turn up on the day to start working. So we expect to see fewer and fewer of the short term freelancers making this a more professional vocation along the lines of other industries that require registration, training and payment of fees to be a member.
[QUOTE=Takedown;2248150]Hence just keep the lists coming without criticism. Enough people have voiced their opinions that they find them useful. Why are people still criticizing? Thanks again to those who publish. Many here appreciate the info despite others thinking that there is a correct way to monger.[/QUOTE]By all means keep them coming, as I said some find them useful.
[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2248073]
I tend to lean to Nick's train of though even though like Takedown I am a tourist but he likes to use one or have one at his disposal as that system works for him so I wouldn't argue it won't bit.
That being said although I personally find lists useless in these clubs I think the information from the board guys use to make those lists is vital (for some) and it spurns discussions be it about that girl or some kind of a tangent subject so all for the posts, the more the merrier as we all use the board to suit our needs.[/QUOTE]Like I said above some like to have that at their disposal as it works for them. The correct way to monger is to do what works for oneself.
I do not think anyone is criticizing lists nor arguing against posting lists as I stated above I personally find them useless yet think the information is vital (for some) . And I am happy for them if they make use of the lists.
So no one is discouraging these lists unless other posts out there are suggesting such. I'm just saying for me, not needed. I am going to go to the club anyway as my dates are set way in advance. Whatever LU is present is present. I am not in a position to pick and choose my days or girls based on any listed LU's. Also, if a girl is working on Sunday's list and I am going Wednesday it tells me nothing it would be like on Wednesday buying Sunday's newspaper. All I can do is show up and find out.
I'll look at lists or lineups out of curiosity but when it comes time to pick and choose the club to go to or the girl to fuck no lists needed. I'll take and choose from what is in front of me.
[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2248073] my take on it is fuck those lists.
I tend to lean to Nick's train of though
I personally find lists useless[/QUOTE]I take a different view adamantly to you.
I support with whole heart the posting of working girl line up lists. Like some, the girl line up lists are one of the most useful pieces of information to be found on this forum.
I do not find the common sense in guys writing that they do not find the girl line up lists as useful.
I am sure the reality is when someone bravely issues a working girl line up lists that everyone who reads will run their eye down that list to see if a particular girl is there, whether she is a pet love or a pet hate or just an idea of how many girls are there. Everyone takes a peek, even secretly at those line up lists.
There are numerous occasions of guys asking how big is the number in a line up, or asking if such and such working at the club right now. Even on this page alone, we have Howie asking if Brenda is working at Sharks. If someone had posted a comprehensive line up list then we would have answered Howie's question as an example of the usefulness of line up lists.
Guys may come only once a year, or even 100 times a year, I think its comforting for both to know if a girl they remember is there. It is their method when away from the clubs to vicariously get a thrill that a girl they know is still around.
Girl line up lists satisfy these requests or at least generates discussion which is the life blood of these forums. Lists, as such, are useful to all.
[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2248182]I do not think anyone is criticizing lists nor arguing against posting lists as I stated above I personally find them useless yet think the information is vital (for some) . And I am happy for them if they make use of the lists.
So no one is discouraging these lists unless other posts out there are suggesting such. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NickTheG;2247744]Those lists don't really help. Because the most important thing is how "chemistry" works between us and the women we meet. On that very day we are there in the club! The only thing that helps is awareness in every situation. Of who you are, what you want and what you don't want!
The further one is away from these brothels or FKK-clubs, the more those lists grow into importance as substitue for the life not lived where one is right now.[/QUOTE]Some kinda did while belittling people who appreciate them and fly in mongers at the same time.
[QUOTE=Bitumen;2248187]I take a different view adamantly to you.
I support with whole heart the posting of working girl line up lists. Like some, the girl line up lists are one of the most useful pieces of information to be found on this forum.
I do not find the common sense in guys writing that they do not find the girl line up lists as useful.
Everyone takes a peek, even secretly at those line up lists.
There are numerous occasions of guys asking how big is the number in a line up, or asking if such and such working at the club right now. Even on this page alone, we have Howie asking if Brenda is working at Sharks. If someone had posted a comprehensive line up list then we would have answered Howie's question as an example of the usefulness of line up lists.
Guys may come only once a year, or even 100 times a year, I think its comforting for both to know if a girl they remember is there. [/QUOTE]See me reply to TD, I too support these megaclub LU lists. I just don't use them to make decisions but that is simply me. I am not judging those who do. I will confess, I take a peak at the Gypsy LUs but by that same token when I go to Day Care I will go without concern of the previous days or even that days LU as I have no choice. It is my ' assigned' day. I fuck who is there.
You are right in Howie's example, had a LU been posted Howie would know Brenda was working. In that sense useful for Howie. Now come a week later when Howie lands in Frankfurt and heads to Sharks there is a chance Brenda may not be there. So I guess yes helpful in the fact he knows Brenda is working at Sharks but hopefully one doesn't plan off an old list as the day of arrival that girl may not be there.
I just do not use these LU lists to decide to go to a club or not. If others do, great. We all have our own styles, whatever works..
We all have our own opinions, thanks for disagreeing and by the way.
Welcome back :D
[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2248195]See me reply to TD, I too support these megaclub LU lists. I just don't use them to make decisions but that is simply me. I am not judging those who do. I will confess, I take a peak at the Gypsy LUs but by that same token when I go to Day Care I will go without concern of the previous days or even that days LU as I have no choice. It is my ' assigned' day. I fuck who is there.
[/QUOTE]You make good points in previous posts. But like I've maintained, you are quite unique for a fly-in-tourist, in that you find 75 percent of the LU optically acceptable. Most others are extremely "fussy" as Syzygies, one of the older list maintainers, used to say. Some mongers dismiss 97 percent of the LU, by just making two laps around the club, without needing to speak to a single WG.
With the example about Howie asking about Brenda. It seems to be more common that a poster will generally rattle the names of three WGs, like "I will be at Sharks for three days next week. Has anyone seen Brenda, Kadi, or Annika this week?" If they are all in this week, it is improbable that all three will be missing next week.
[QUOTE=PokerWiesBaden;2247839]
Last Friday some girls said, there was over 300 !! Working girls in club. Truth or not.
Fact is that all girl lockers were occupied.[/QUOTE]Rubbish! Around 150 to 160 girls last Friday. That's a lot anyway.
There are only 165 lockers for the girls.
[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2248195]See me reply to TD, I too support these megaclub LU lists. I just don't use them to make decisions but that is simply me. I am not judging those who do. I will confess, I take a peak at the Gypsy LUs but by that same token when I go to Day Care I will go without concern of the previous days or even that days LU as I have no choice. It is my ' assigned' day. I fuck who is there.
You are right in Howie's example, had a LU been posted Howie would know Brenda was working. In that sense useful for Howie. Now come a week later when Howie lands in Frankfurt and heads to Sharks there is a chance Brenda may not be there. So I guess yes helpful in the fact he knows Brenda is working at Sharks but hopefully one doesn't plan off an old list as the day of arrival that girl may not be there.[/QUOTE]Thank you and Peace to everyone who responded to my initial question, "do you think line-up lists are useful". The question came up when NickTheG noticed PokerWiesBaden had borrowed heavily from a line-up list on LustScout without indicating where the basis of the list originated. The fact that NickTheG recognized the similarity between the two lists means to me that even he at a minimum glances at the list posted on the other forum.
I still don't understand the animosity that I perceive in some of the exchanges back and forth. Perhaps because I don't read the Sharks forum or attend Sharks so often as I'm more often in NRW clubs.
My decision following all the feedback is that I will continue to occasionally publish a line-up for my regular club under their thread. I openly invite anyone else who wants to use it as the basis for a line-up for any other forum to do so. I offer this to the benefit of my fellow mongers to use how they wish. I will leave posting of the comprehensive line-up at Sharks to one of the local mongers who attends there regularly, perhaps someone who reads multiple forums regularly can ask to borrow their list as a starting point.
I'm happy to have discussions with anyone if we happen to meet in any club. If we are on my turf, we can discuss the habits of the ladies to help you decide who might be right for you. I recently met a fellow Icebear, who is normally found in the Frankfurt Area clubs, in a NRW club. After.
I discussion, he chose a lady I had provided input on and was off to the room. I didn't get the chance to catch up with him afterwards, but I hope that he enjoyed his time in NRW.
As diverse as we are, we all have at least one thing in common, we enjoy the talents of women we meet in Germany and around the world. Happy hunting.
[QUOTE=BarryManila;2248315]Rubbish! Around 150 to 160 girls last Friday. That's a lot anyway.
There are only 165 lockers for the girls.[/QUOTE]This is from the German board: "It was in my opinion too much! A woman who has been at the Sharks for some time, told me after midnight the number of 230 CDL's for yesterday's Friday! Accordingly, many sat together for hours unoccupied, babbled and smoked, the sales of cigarettes must have been violent. The battle for the until 22 o'clock in my opinion a few Asians burned violently."
[QUOTE=BarryManila;2248315]Rubbish! Around 150 to 160 girls last Friday. That's a lot anyway.
There are only 165 lockers for the girls.[/QUOTE]300 ? Without drinking and seeing double, 150 girls? Too many for me to fuck them all, but how many desirable for look, elegance, and manners, to be motivated to spend money?
Were there enough motivated guys to give business to so many girls, mostly GND, some now asking 100 minimum?
Low casting on my last visit on September, but things can always change? When casting was good on mid June, with no upselling experienced on my 5 days on 2 week ends for my so fast left, top class Romanian, 25 yo beauty.
If LU lists are useless, then by extension trip reports are also useless, no? If John writes that Lisa kissed him, Debbie licked his balls, but Lexi did not suck his dick well, there is no guarantee when Greg visits the club the following week that Lisa will kiss him also, Debbie will lick his balls, that Lexi will suck his dick well or poorly. Or that any of the girls will even be there.
Ergo, should we stop writing reviews here? Chemistry is everything, and reviews are last week's news as we all know. What's the point?
Perhaps we can jettison all LU lists and reviews and focus just on Ho's master race people shaving their arseholes in the right squatting position, after we first go through his tutorials on "proper techniques to jerk off at home".
Seems really weird that a monger would not want a visitor to the club to post a LU list.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2248486]Perhaps we can jettison all LU lists and reviews and focus just on Ho's master race people shaving their arseholes in the right squatting position, after we first go through his tutorials on "proper techniques to jerk off at home".[/QUOTE]LOL! I personally find lu listings and reviews useful. I take most of the reviews with a grain of salt but I know some people here who are trustworthy and who know what good service means.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2248497]Seems really weird that a monger would not want a visitor to the club to post a LU list.[/QUOTE]
I do not think ( at least myself) that lists should not be published nor discouraged, I have yet to see that anywhere in my posts. Saying lists aren't used by them and saying lists should be banned/discouraged are not the same thing ( not even close) , nor should words be twisted to imply such. Lists are great for some but once in a club a long list posted in a public forum for me is not very useful what is useful once in a club is my eyes, my ears and my gut feelings and for me the thrill of picking ( or being hunted) by many a girl, tons not on any lists.. IMHO
and hopefully interpreted respectfully
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2248486]If LU lists are useless, then by extension trip reports are also useless, no? If John writes that Lisa kissed him, Debbie licked his balls, but Lexi did not suck his dick well, there is no guarantee when Greg visits the club the following week that Lisa will kiss him also, Debbie will lick his balls, that Lexi will suck his dick well or poorly. Or that any of the girls will even be there.
Ergo, should we stop writing reviews here? Chemistry is everything, and reviews are last week's news as we all know. What's the point?
Perhaps we can jettison all LU lists and reviews and focus just on Ho's master race people shaving their arseholes in the right squatting position, after we first go through his tutorials on "proper techniques to jerk off at home".[/QUOTE]I don't think anyone should stop writing reviews / trip report's or LU lists. They serve their purposes to others, others can pick and choose from all info on the board including how to jerk off guides and sift out the info they feel is important ' to them. ' ' To them' in quotes as one guy may really use these lists and / or not care about reviews or care about reviews but not who was there etc. I can see how a review from yesterday could be labeled ' yesterday's news' just as a LU would be from three days prior but IMO.
And you are right, Debbie may be giving BBBJ today and when the reader shows up next week she no longer offers BBBJ, reviews are simply a guideline but any guy needs take in to account changing services, prices, the YMMV factor etc if they bump in to that girl and seek a session. And chemistry can be everything. Or lack of can ruin anything. I do not know about others but I do have an idea what many guys like or don't like based on their reviews / trip reports so if I bump in to that girl I sort of have a Point of reference although as you state she may not offer me up what another guy got I can store that info in the back of my head as I talk with her if I talk with her. For me I don't find LU lists at Sharks or a megaclub here useful, doesn't mean I won't read them out of curiosity but I am by no means saying they aren't useful for others. That being said keep them coming. I glance thru them, as someone pointed out they think Nick does too (if he does he does if he doesn't he doesn't) but the point of my posts is simply for me and my style I don't need these long megaclub lists to make any actually choices of venues to go to or decisions on who I will see. I have no issue with them. I have no issue if another looks for them daily and plans trips accordingly. My no means am I an advocate to the suppression of lists (or reviews) but by all means I am entitled to my opinion that these lists of 40-50-60 girls or whoever is working do not influence my mongering. I don't judge others if they love these lists, their choice. I respect that, regardless if I use them or not to make choices or decisions.
Sure, I will look to see if I recognize a name, but by no means will I choose to go to Oase because Raizza was on a list from last week or not go to Sharks because I didn't see Luci on a list from the day before. More likely I am going to post (along the lines of MacA's reply) a single ' ISO: Is Domenica back' as I did and ironically Nick replied ' she was. ' So I will say as Bituman pointed out in the Brenda / Howie situation had a list been posted than I would have known Domenica was back from holiday. Bituman it right, it would have been useful to know and I could have skipped the ISO. However, such information didn't have any impact on my decision to go to Sharks that day and in fact once there ' chemisty' was found with another girl, one who I have yet to even see on a list (or I didn't look.) So perhaps I will slightly amend my thoughts that lists are not useless but when it comes to my decision making they are a non-factor.
I have zero issues with the publications of lists, I have zero issues if someone finds my reviews useless as yesterday's news, zero issues if some guy wants to fly in with a preprinted list of four pole dancers and go to the bar and ask for them; his cock, his money his choice to monger as he sees fit. Not my duty to say he is wrong as one member basically is saying I did (unless they were referring to another member).
I am not sure where but somehow it appears myself or Nick are being accused or maybe implied of spewing some kind of venomous attack on posters who make lists and / or use them. I can not speak for Nick only for myself buy I have zero issues with anyone who uses lists to monger. Go for it. Whatever works. We are all different. Have fun.
No one's style is right or wrong, in fact all of our differences perhaps might be our greatest asset thus so many different kinds of posts. The more information be it a list, a review of a girl and even a guide on how to jerk off and make your cum fly 20 feet in the air etc is all info that can and should be posted and the reader can choose what info to read, skim, skip or use or not use and in the event they feel a poster is spewing venom or insulting others than simply ignore them.
It's just the internet. Use as one feels is applicable to them. If we do that, we are all winners.