Hong Kong Club Reports

Rexriver.

Excellent report on FKK Mystic AKA FKK Babylon near Salzburg with comparison to Hong Kong in Tijuana. Babylon's line up looks very good, looks better than Hong Kong, with quite a few girls I would spend time and money on. Salzburg is 150 miles from Vienna, too far for my trip.

However, based on Babylon's line up, I would try FKK GoldenTime in Vienna. 95 E entry plus 100 E for 30 min (100430) is kind of steep, may be worth it if one can spend 8 to 10 hours just lounge, eat, drink, flirt and pop multiple girls. Wonder how much girls' drinks would cost in GoldenTime?

Surprise, a report lists 2 dozens Asian Laufhause in Vienna with some decent-looking girls, costs 30-50 E for 30 min which is very low. Is this current pricings and is even realistic? This pic looks very good. But in real life, do girls look any where as young and hot?

[URL]https://www.studioa25.wien/[/URL]

Escorts have just too many baits and switches and big waste of time. I prefer WYSIWYG in clubs or Laufhaus.

[QUOTE=RexRiver;2983657]Below is copied and pasted from my visit to Mystic on the Austrian / German border outside of Salzburg. Please note that it is my understanding that Mystic had closed for a while and re-opened as a "swingers club. " This was my only experience in an FKK / Sauna Club and other FKK will obviously be different. Regarding the girls, most were Romania and eastern Euroean. I did do a session with a girl from Moldavia. There were also a couple of Black girls there, one who I seriously considered as she had the body type I lover.

"All of the girls I saw were Pretty, dark complexed Romania girls with just a touch of exotic look to them!

I was in Salzburg, Asustria for a few days on holiday with the wife. Circumstances which I would rather not discuss allowed me 3 nights to myself. I had done some research on another board about the hobbying opportunities there and in Munich. Really didn't expect anything to happen as we were traveling with another couple.

My first night to myself, I chose to meet an "escort" at her location. I arranged a taxi to take me there and was surprised that it was a laufhaus (in Germany, literally *house). I went to the room number that I was given and was met by a short, somewhat thick Romanian woman. She had a very "Roma / Gypsy" look to her. In any other circumstances, I would not choose this girl. But since I was already there, I went through. Had a decent time, 100 + an additional 20 for BBBJ. Just a couple positions, mish, CG and doggy to finish. Paid for the hour, but was in and out in about 30. This is my only experience in a laufhaus, but I was not impressed. Think a 2 star hotel with tired room, mirrors all around and tiny shower with trash receptacle overflowing with the tools of our hobby! The club was called Vesuvius.

The next day I rented a car with the intention of driving out to FKK Mystic on the outskirts of the city near the Germany border. The club is about a 20 minute drive, but a bit hard to find. You have to get off of the main highway and eventually find a small, one way, unpaved road through the forest. I didn't realize, but you can also have a taxi drop you off at the service pavilion on the highway and climb the stairs to the club. It can be seen from the highway. At this location there is the sauna club Mystic and a laufhaus for those who just want a quick relief.

My research on the club did not leave me with the impression that it would be very nice. I was pleasantly surprised to be very pleased with the club. Upon arrival, I was greeted at the front desk and asked if it was my first time there. She explained that there was an 85 (A Euro at the time + $1. 03 US) cover charge that included wine, beer and soft drinks and all the food you want off of the buffet. She had a girl, Loren show me around after changing. You are give a nice robe, towel and bath slippers that you change into. You leave everything else in the locker and store any valuables in the safe within. One you had a session with a girl, you both go back to settle up. The club consists of several rooms. The locker room has an adjourning shower area, dining room with a long table that has maybe 18 chairs and 2 food stations, one with salads and the other main entree. Food is typical German fare, lots of veggies, potatoes and pork. Don't expect fancy cuisine! At most times there were a few girls and a few guys at the table eating. It is also a decent spot to watch the girls as they go between the men's locker room, front desk and the main lounge area. There are also some televisions in here and were tuned to the World Cup broadcast.

The main lounge was spacious and had a bar where you can get the wine, beer or soft drinks. Distilled spirits are available, but you would need to purchase a full bottle, like for 150. There is a cinema (kino) room with 3 rows of beds where you can watch the porn videos they show. Very dated videos of older participants. Girls are willing to join you in here for a BJ and sex. Also they have an area with a small lounge and sauna with shower, another room with a steam bath and tanning bed (for he girls? A smoking room, an outside area and lastly a massage room with about 5 beds. When I was there a few of the guys were sleeping in the massage room.

About the girls in general. Most seem to be from Eastern Europe, predominantly Romania. I had 5 different girls while there, 4 Romanian and 1 from Moldavia. Darker complexion, like a tan, dark eyes and hair and pretty. All spoke decent English. There is a range of body types with most having nice hourglass figures, a few thicker and a few slender. Most were see breast or better and looked to be between the ages of 22-30. Only a guess. No older broads. The girls are naked in the club, with maybe a garter belt or stockings. You get a really good idea of what you getting! Rates seem to be standard; 70 for minimum will get you covered CFS, multiple positions for 30 minutes and CBJ, add 30 for BBBJ and an additional 50 for CIM. They really push the CIM and there are spittoons nearby for the deposit. All 5 girls I saw gave excellent BBBJ. Anal is available for 100 extra on top of any others. Seems they allow DATY, but not FIV. Do not expect GFE!

My first day there was a Saturday and was told there we 38 girls working. I didn't count, but sounds about right. About 1/3 are laying around in the main lounge, looks like they were resting or sleeping. Another 1/3 we're sitting around closer to the area of the bar, on stools or couches. I guess the other might have been with guys in the rooms are talking with guys in the lounge. The girls are friendly and will approach you to solicit and will go away if asked. There didn't seem to be that many guys there, maybe 15, mostly older (I'm 68, so older than me) and seemed to be regulars.

My first girl was Loren, a pretty blonde with dark roots, be cup, shaved, slim waste and nice hips and ass. I went all in with her, went to a private room 200 CFS, dildo play in her pussy and ass, DATY (I know, probably had a few cocks in her already, but still something I really like), then Greek with dildo in her pussy. Then moved to doggy on the side of the bed until I finished. Very vocal and lots of fun.

Took a little break and had a bite to eat. Was approached by chick from Moldavia, don't remember her name. Very proud, bigger tits, large areolas with prominent nips. She wanted to show me the porn cinema room where they also do massages. She wanted to give me a massage, but told her I wasn't interested. She asked if I wanted a BJ. Told her if we did BBBJ and in the cinema room, I was ready. Really good BBBJ, fucking, DATY, tit play, occasionally I guy or gal would come in to watch! I'm a fucking porn star. LOL!

Last girl was another Romanian. My perfect type, skinny, very pretty, glasses, small A's with tiny nips, looked to by maybe 20 yo. Same activity as the previous one in the cinema.

So a total of 485,4 hours and 3 sessions. Not too bad given the quality of the girls. To put into perspective, I've traveled to Club Hong Kong in Tijuana 3 times. While there is no cover charge, it can get very crowded in the evening. Usually you will pay 80-100 US for 30 minutes. If you have a room at one of HK facilities, it won't cost any extra or you can rent a room for the 30 minutes. You can negotiate for a BBBJ, but not always available. So, a little more at the FKK, but in my opinion, the quality and selection is better.

I checked out of the place, but didn't get enough. Came back on Sunday night, the next day and was told there were 27 girls working. Again not be guys around. Had bit to eat, then went into the lounge and was approached by a Romania girl, again, don't recall a name. Over to the Cinema room for a BBBJ, CFS, multiple positions and went the extra 50 for CIM. Finished there and then she went over to the spittoon to make the deposit. Back to the dining area to relax and recharge. Struck up a conversation with a local, had a bit to eat, then went back to the lounge area again. I had had my eye on another very pretty, slender gal with nice A cups and beautiful hair. No sooner than I sit down and she, Stephanie, comes over. Didn't take me long and we're off to a private room. I know I'm not going to cum again so soon, so CIM was not a option although she tried to upsell. I did go for BBBJ, which was very good and the cycled into several positions including K9 and standing MISH on the side of the bed. She really wanted me to CIM, so she went back to the BBBJ again and tried like a trooper, but it wasn't happening. ".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StRobert;2983302]There is a big difference in transportation costs. I was in Munich in December and then transferred to another city in Europe (not for sex but other purposes). Non stop San Diego to Munich round trip Lufthansa cost me $1800 and extra $75 luggage. My cost here travel to Hong Kong club is $5 trolley round trip when I park in trolley parking and $6 Hong Kong limo round trip total $11. Plus add hotel prices in Europe $100 and up / night plus restaurants it comes out expensive. IMO, FKK is good for local Germans, and for neighboring countries like France, Luxembourg (where prostitution is illegal) etc. That is why Germans are always happy because almost every city in Germany has brothels and sex clubs! (similar to Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland, Austria) If you are looking for chica that looks European, there are some in Hong Kong too. In Germany they also have problems, for example some crazy people drive their cars into a crowd of people on the street (a week ago in Munich). When it comes to sex I vote for Tijuana because it's closer.[/QUOTE]Not a whole lot of new reviews and photos of hk these days. I suspect HK is so well known trhough word of mouth and advertised through social media, its just easier to get intel direct from friend and check out the photos on instagram or photogallery ok hktijuana website. That being said I do enjoy efforts at keeping this forumalive of tijuana vs X. FKK seems too apples va oranges. What about a more apples to apples comparison. Like maybe tijuana vs mexico city? Or tijuana vs Bogota? Anyone has experience in both to do pros and cons comparison?

[QUOTE=RexRiver;2983657]

About the girls in general. Most seem to be from Eastern Europe, predominantly Romania. I had 5 different girls while there, 4 Romanian and 1 from Moldavia. Darker complexion, like a tan, dark eyes and hair and pretty. All spoke decent English. There is a range of body types with most having nice hourglass figures, a few thicker and a few slender. Most were see breast or better and looked to be between the ages of 22-30. Only a guess. No older broads. The girls are naked in the club, with maybe a garter belt or stockings. You get a really good idea of what you getting! Rates seem to be standard; 70 for minimum will get you covered CFS, multiple positions for 30 minutes and CBJ, add 30 for BBBJ and an additional 50 for CIM. They really push the CIM and there are spittoons nearby for the deposit. All 5 girls I saw gave excellent BBBJ. Anal is available for 100 extra on top of any others. Seems they allow DATY, but not FIV. Do not expect GFE!

[/QUOTE]"Do not expect GFE!" -- This is why I don't think I'd like it, though I've never been to an FKK. There are two types of people in the world, rule followers and rule breakers. I'm definitely a rule breaker.

German's are known for their love of rules and order. Everything is very nice and pristine there, but at the end of the day, there is a rule telling you what you can and can't do. Tijuana is the opposite: it's dirty, corrupt, lawless at times, like the wild-west, in a sense. The lack of rules and order is what makes it great. On any given night anything can happen with any girl. You can literally get away with murder there (not that I would try! I don't go to Tijuana to follow the rules, but to make sure I break every one of them.

There are a lot of girls in Tijuana that mix business and pleasure. Many of the girls there have a kind of "live for the day" attitude. They aren't there planning their 401k contributions for their retirement. There is not that much of a barrier separating prostitutes from normal women. It's very easy to cross this barrier. This is what I love about Tijuana. You don't really have to negotiate anything there, you just do what you want. And in many cases, pay what you want. The upselling of services at these FKKs already seems like a drag. I don't want to be handed some menu with the price list like I'm ordering dinner. I'll wager the sex is more robotic there too, and you will never get past just being a client with these girls. If that's your cup of tea, fine. But for me, no thanks.

PS: One good aspect of FKKs is that they walk around naked. Imaging if they did this at HK!

What ever happened to heels? Last time I was in HK, literally half the women there had these black boots on (a couple red ones two). They all think it's so cool to have these things, so they all copy each other. Women are such slaves to trends and competing with other women that they sometimes even go out of their way to look bad (remember high waisted shorts! Not that these boots actually look bad, but still.

I'm a legs man. I like to see a nice pair of legs. Not covered to the mid thigh with some thick boots. Breasts, I don't care about. In fact, I prefer smaller. But please, show some leg, for god sake.

Remember the golden rule, ladies: "less is more, less is more".

[QUOTE=HKMonger;2983736]What ever happened to heels? Last time I was in HK, literally half the women there had these black boots on (a couple red ones two). They all think it's so cool to have these things, so they all copy each other. Women are such slaves to trends and competing with other women that they sometimes even go out of their way to look bad (remember high waisted shorts! Not that these boots actually look bad, but still.

I'm a legs man. I like to see a nice pair of legs. Not covered to the mid thigh with some thick boots. Breasts, I don't care about. In fact, I prefer smaller. But please, show some leg, for god sake.

Remember the golden rule, ladies: "less is more, less is more".[/QUOTE]Its cold. Its really cold. Wait a Month.

[QUOTE=HKMonger;2983732]"Do not expect GFE!" -- This is why I don't think I'd like it, though I've never been to an FKK. There are two types of people in the world, rule followers and rule breakers. I'm definitely a rule breaker.

German's are known for their love of rules and order. Everything is very nice and pristine there, but at the end of the day, there is a rule telling you what you can and can't do. Tijuana is the opposite: it's dirty, corrupt, lawless at times, like the wild-west, in a sense. The lack of rules and order is what makes it great. On any given night anything can happen with any girl. You can literally get away with murder there (not that I would try! I don't go to Tijuana to follow the rules, but to make sure I break every one of them.

There are a lot of girls in Tijuana that mix business and pleasure. Many of the girls there have a kind of "live for the day" attitude. They aren't there planning their 401k contributions for their retirement. There is not that much of a barrier separating prostitutes from normal women. It's very easy to cross this barrier. This is what I love about Tijuana. You don't really have to negotiate anything there, you just do what you want. And in many cases, pay what you want. The upselling of services at these FKKs already seems like a drag. I don't want to be handed some menu with the price list like I'm ordering dinner. I'll wager the sex is more robotic there too, and you will never get past just being a client with these girls. If that's your cup of tea, fine. But for me, no thanks.

[/QUOTE]Where is the like button?

I could never put my finger on why I love Tijuana. You bring up some great points.

Its the wild wild west.

[QUOTE=HKMonger;2983732]"Do not expect GFE!" -- This is why I don't think I'd like it, though I've never been to an FKK. There are two types of people in the world, rule followers and rule breakers. I'm definitely a rule breaker.

German's are known for their love of rules and order. Everything is very nice and pristine there, but at the end of the day, there is a rule telling you what you can and can't do. Tijuana is the opposite: it's dirty, corrupt, lawless at times, like the wild-west, in a sense. The lack of rules and order is what makes it great. On any given night anything can happen with any girl. You can literally get away with murder there (not that I would try! I don't go to Tijuana to follow the rules, but to make sure I break every one of them.

There are a lot of girls in Tijuana that mix business and pleasure. Many of the girls there have a kind of "live for the day" attitude. They aren't there planning their 401k contributions for their retirement. There is not that much of a barrier separating prostitutes from normal women. It's very easy to cross this barrier. This is what I love about Tijuana. You don't really have to negotiate anything there, you just do what you want. And in many cases, pay what you want. The upselling of services at these FKKs already seems like a drag. I don't want to be handed some menu with the price list like I'm ordering dinner. I'll wager the sex is more robotic there too, and you will never get past just being a client with these girls. If that's your cup of tea, fine. But for me, no thanks.

PS: One good aspect of FKKs is that they walk around naked. Imaging if they did this at HK![/QUOTE]Tijuana is as raw as nature is, its dirty just like the sex. Man made Law&Order, you leave it at the border, feel the ease that engulfs you as you walk through immigration into Tijuana. You follow the natural human decency, common sense and horny as FK!

[QUOTE=Zenduka1;2983742]Tijuana is as raw as nature is, its dirty just like the sex. Man made Law&Order, you leave it at the border, feel the ease that engulfs you as you walk through immigration into Tijuana. You follow the natural human decency, common sense and horny as FK![/QUOTE]I used to not like that about Tijuana. I wanted it to be more like nicer parts of Mexico. I've come around to appreciating it. You just have to appreciate it for what it is. Like you can watch trashy reality tv and enjoy it as long as you're not lamenting the fact it's not trying to win academy awards and it's just what it is. It's trash and it's enjoyable trash. That's Tijuana. It's dirty. The land zoning sucks so every street looks like a jigsaw puzzle. You have nice restaurants next to a guy with no legs and a sign asking for help. Prostitution up the street from revolucióand. Amazing tacos. Cheap beer. Corrupt cops. It's all just tossed into a blender and poured into the streets and it's disgusting and sad and beautiful.

I get the allure of Tijuana and the "live in the moment" atmosphere. But, a trip to an FKK in Germany / Austria should be a bucket list item for all guys on here. You don't go the an FKK to experience the "neighborhood. " Many of those are not necessarily that great, kind of away from the tourist areas. And, you pay an admission fee to get in and I'm not sure if there is a limit on how long you can stay. Just hang out in your robe, eat Germany cuisine (no thanks! Drink beer and wine, and watch beautiful naked girls. If you want to partake, then fuck as many as you want for a reasonable fee, extras can be negotiated. Leave the club, and pay the fee to enter again.

I for one do not go to these places to strike up a conversation with a girl that doesn't speak English, which is most of the ladies in Tijuana, Germany is somewhat better. I gothere to fuck beautiful women. I have a type that I like, and they were more readily available at the FKK I visited. I didn't go to Europe to visit an FKK, I was there and circumstances permitted, so I seized the moment.

FYI, I have plans to be in Tijuana and work HK during the first week in April. It's my go to place and I can still find gems in HK. Not knocking either experience, they both have there attractions.

[QUOTE=RexRiver;2984124]I get the allure of Tijuana and the "live in the moment" atmosphere. But, a trip to an FKK in Germany / Austria should be a bucket list item for all guys on here. You don't go the an FKK to experience the "neighborhood. " Many of those are not necessarily that great, kind of away from the tourist areas. And, you pay an admission fee to get in and I'm not sure if there is a limit on how long you can stay. Just hang out in your robe, eat Germany cuisine (no thanks! Drink beer and wine, and watch beautiful naked girls. If you want to partake, then fuck as many as you want for a reasonable fee, extras can be negotiated. Leave the club, and pay the fee to enter again.

I for one do not go to these places to strike up a conversation with a girl that doesn't speak English, which is most of the ladies in Tijuana, Germany is somewhat better. I gothere to fuck beautiful women. I have a type that I like, and they were more readily available at the FKK I visited. I didn't go to Europe to visit an FKK, I was there and circumstances permitted, so I seized the moment.

FYI, I have plans to be in Tijuana and work HK during the first week in April. It's my go to place and I can still find gems in HK. Not knocking either experience, they both have there attractions.[/QUOTE]I think that the main point is that you should visit FKK's as an extra to your europe trip, and that's fine, but it's not the main reason to make the trip because it's just so much more expensive than going to Tijuana or even Colombia.

The point of everyone here is that it is cheaper to take a trip to Tijuana and they don't see a way higher benefit to go to europe based on the cost difference.

Also, if you frequent the girls in Tijuana and develop a more of a relationship, even if it's still transactional, you can start to get more of a GFE experience out of them, even take them on trip with you for a reasonable price, that's out of the question with FKK girls.

[QUOTE=Jim0129;2984222]I think that the main point is that you should visit FKK's as an extra to your europe trip, and that's fine, but it's not the main reason to make the trip because it's just so much more expensive than going to Tijuana or even Colombia. The point of everyone here is that it is cheaper to take a trip to Tijuana and they don't see a way higher benefit to go to europe based on the cost difference. Also, if you frequent the girls in Tijuana and develop a more of a relationship, even if it's still transactional, you can start to get more of a GFE experience out of them, even take them on trip with you for a reasonable price, that's out of the question with FKK girls.[/QUOTE]It is the main reason to go if the FKK sauna club scene is your thing. After Brazil I find Germany to be my favorite place to monger. I'm not particularly looking for the GFE as I have more of a preference for the PSE more often than not. Many times though I will find a girl where we click and it can turn more towards the GFE. I love anal sex with the white girls, and anal is quite readily on the menu with many girls at the FKKs. And I have the coin to spend freely at the FKKs to get what I want. So I don't care about Tijuana being cheaper. And it's also a dump! I much prefer the "big city sophistication" of a Sao Paulo to the "dirty wild west" of Tijuana (but will and have stepped on both sides of that line). I do like the Latinas too though, and after several days of fucking the European white girls I start longing for a little bit more choice in "colors". This is one of the big reasons why I have Brazil ahead of Germany. More diversity. Oh, is that a bad word now LOL! But I love them both Brazil and Germany! Last few times I was in Brazil it was absolutely Heaven on earth fucking blue-eyed blonde Brasileiras of German descent LOL! I'm heading to Brazil for a month soon. And later this year will spend a month "bumming" around Germany (pun intended). Well doggy! But at the end of the day, like someone else here said, every man should experience the FKK clubs of Germany at least once. I say the same thing about the termas of Rio and the clinicas and nightclubs of Sao Paulo. And then just stick to what you personally enjoy the most. Choose what makes you happy. But experience as much as possible when it comes to this hobby so that you can truly know what happiness as a monger looks like for you. Be happy!

Let me know. I'll be hanging out in the big 3 and can use some help finishing a bottle of Don Julio 70.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2981645]Hard to compare. Apples and oranges.

FKK is more Eastern European girls. Mostly Romania. If you like white chicks. HK is obviously Latinas. Many from further south.

FKK are larger, more spread out, often suburban, a bit more luxurious. HK is usually a sardine can with loud music. And it's obviously a seedy place in a very seedy part of a seedy town.

FKK you're mostly left alone except girls making eyes. HK has waiters bothering you every 30 seconds.

FKK ironically is cheaper to bang. But you pay more to get there obviously.

I prefer an FKK but it's not practical to go often due to flights so HK will do.[/QUOTE]Good write up.

I've never been to FKKs, but based off what I've read and seen, I would say it probably isn't someplace that one would want to go to monger frequently.

Simply because there's an entry fee (it's a considerable amount I believe?) to even get INTO the place.

Also from what I've heard, you can't exactly connect with the girls by getting their phone numbers and meeting up with them independently. I'm sure you can probably do something like that in HK, but HK has its own laundry list of problems so it's not a good spot either, in my opinion.

In terms of affordability, I'm actually surprised that FKKs would be cheaper per fuck compared to HK.

I would think that FKKs would be more expensive, with all the upselling and bullshit that they throw on top.

Apparently the only thing you get with your session is just basic dick in pussy sex. ANYTHING extra like a blowjob is upcharged.

But at the end of the day, the cost of travel makes it too impractical for an american to go to FKKs regularly.

I don't even think it's worth moving and living to Germany specifically to visit FKKs. There's no future there to recruit one of the girls for a consistent thing, as I mentioned before.

All in all, there are far better places.

If you're looking for fun and to just have sex, obviously mexico and Canada will always be best if you're in the US, simply because of distance.

[QUOTE=Hadez;2981337]One of my wingmen is really into smoking marijuana with the girls. One time he ended up for 4 girls in his room because they wanted to place to smoke. I was next door and this mofo did not call me!! This has never happened to me but he aggressively looks for girls that smoke. It can be a little challenging getting the weed to the room but he has never herd anything about it when checking out. I can tell you it smells when I walk by.

I have let a few girls smoke weed, it does seem to improve their performance.[/QUOTE]Yeah, never do anything relating to any drug while you are in mexico.

That is the first rule of being there.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2983942]I used to not like that about Tijuana. I wanted it to be more like nicer parts of Mexico. I've come around to appreciating it. You just have to appreciate it for what it is. Like you can watch trashy reality tv and enjoy it as long as you're not lamenting the fact it's not trying to win academy awards and it's just what it is. It's trash and it's enjoyable trash. That's Tijuana. It's dirty. The land zoning sucks so every street looks like a jigsaw puzzle. You have nice restaurants next to a guy with no legs and a sign asking for help. Prostitution up the street from revoluciand. Amazing tacos. Cheap beer. Corrupt cops. It's all just tossed into a blender and poured into the streets and it's disgusting and sad and beautiful.[/QUOTE]The best part is entering Tijuana from San Ysidro through the revolving doors. Whoever designed this area loaded it with the most chaos you can possibly bear. Vendor carts, thick smoke from taco carts, everyone shouting something, taxi drivers shouting taxi, taxi. Always a giant traffic jam and car horns. Now you know you're in Tijuana!

[QUOTE=StRobert;2984488]The best part is entering Tijuana from San Ysidro through the revolving doors. Whoever designed this area loaded it with the most chaos you can possibly bear. Vendor carts, thick smoke from taco carts, everyone shouting something, taxi drivers shouting taxi, taxi. Always a giant traffic jam and car horns. Now you know you're in Tijuana![/QUOTE]Did you notice that one of those revolving doors was broken off the gate and sitting to the side?