Kyiv

[QUOTE=Tomster99;2430497]Anyone would know if they are out of business?

Last two times I wanted to go by noone answered the door.[/QUOTE]I don't.

Website is up, and has phone + email, but online chat doesn't respond. Maybe Viber or other messenger is available on the number they provide in contacts? Massage parlors in Kiev open and close when they feel like.

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2430524]I don't.

Website is up, and has phone + email, but online chat doesn't respond. Maybe Viber or other messenger is available on the number they provide in contacts? Massage parlors in Kiev open and close when they feel like.[/QUOTE]Thanks P.S. Yeah. I checked their website and came to the same conclusion. But my phone would say something in Ukrainian if I call. Seems they have been disconnected.

Darn.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;2429481]Is the Coronavirus affecting the number of people traveling to Kiev yet? I understand when the bird flu hit Kiev was a ghost town.[/QUOTE]Yes there seems to be a significant decrease in travellers to Kiev from my observation at Borispil Airport. No long queues at passport control when I arrived there late February.

On the other hand I am a little bit concerned about the potential coronavirus outbreak in Ukraine. It appears to me that the government has done little trying to stop the epidemic. There was no health or temperature check at KBP, and the immigration officer didn't ask me any question regarding my traveling history. This was very different from my experience in Moscow and Minsk airports, where I was required to take health checks by medical teams at the airports because I come from a high-risk country.

There are already multiple confirmed cases in surrounding countries including Russia, Belarus, Romania and Baltic States. There is a high risk of potential outbreak of this disease in Ukraine, considering the number of Ukrainians traveling to EU, and the public lack of awareness of severity of the coronavirus situation. I live in Kiev suburbs with my girlfriend and I have seen literally no one here wearing masks in the streets.

I would suggest to stop meeting random girls for a while if possible. This disease is not a common flu. Its death rate is significantly higher than flu. It keeps mutating quickly. A new study in China finds that the coronavirus can cause irreversible brain damage even if it is eventually cured.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2430626]Yes there seems to be a significant decrease in travellers to Kiev from my observation at Borispil Airport. No long queues at passport control when I arrived there late February.

On the other hand I am a little bit concerned about the potential coronavirus outbreak in Ukraine. It appears to me that the government has done little trying to stop the epidemic. There was no health or temperature check at KBP, and the immigration officer didn't ask me any question regarding my traveling history. This was very different from my experience in Moscow and Minsk airports, where I was required to take health checks by medical teams at the airports because I come from a high-risk country.

There are already multiple confirmed cases in surrounding countries including Russia, Belarus, Romania and Baltic States. There is a high risk of potential outbreak of this disease in Ukraine, considering the number of Ukrainians traveling to EU, and the public lack of awareness of severity of the coronavirus situation. I live in Kiev suburbs with my girlfriend and I have seen literally no one here wearing masks in the streets.

I would suggest to stop meeting random girls for a while if possible. This disease is not a common flu. Its death rate is significantly higher than flu. It keeps mutating quickly. A new study in China finds that the coronavirus can cause irreversible brain damage even if it is eventually cured.[/QUOTE]When I flew in, they temp checked everyone on the plane. Not sure that qualifies as good government controls.

Given the infection rate if you go out you're vulnerable, no intimate contact needed.

However it looks like the death rate is actually lower since they are catching more people with the disease that only have mild symptoms. Previously, they were only catching the worse cases so the death rate is significantly inflated.

In any case wanted to give my 2 cents and thank all the previous contributions to the forum.

[QUOTE=Koijima;2430785]When I flew in, they temp checked everyone on the plane. Not sure that qualifies as good government controls.[/QUOTE]Glad to see the government has started to take actions to mitigate the risk of virus outbreak.

[QUOTE=Koijima;2430785]However it looks like the death rate is actually lower since they are catching more people with the disease that only have mild symptoms. Previously, they were only catching the worse cases so the death rate is significantly inflated.

In any case wanted to give my 2 cents and thank all the previous contributions to the forum.[/QUOTE]The global death rate so far is about 3%. It varies depending on the country and age group. Older people are more likely to develop severe symptoms, and death rate in countries with insufficient medical resources could be higher.

Anyway I hope everything could get under control soon.

I'm guessing all expats are wondering how their sweetheart will react in a time of crisis. Get out now if you only have fake friends.

[QUOTE=Koijima;2430785]When I flew in, they temp checked everyone on the plane. Not sure that qualifies as good government controls.
[/QUOTE]Welcome to the forum, Koijima!

I am curious where you flew in from and if they do that with all flights.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;2431254]Welcome to the forum, Koijima!

I am curious where you flew in from and if they do that with all flights.[/QUOTE]I flew in from Nuremberg, no idea about the other flights.

From what I'm reading, most people in big cities will eventually get infected, though hopefully the virus will soon mutate to be less deadly than the current 3% or whatever. I'm taking few precautions myself to avoid infection, but I am trying to keep strong and healthy so as to fight the infection when I do get it. I am also keeping in mind that, at any moment, I might suddenly get very sick and need to climb into bed and remain there for several weeks. So need to arrange my business affairs to allow this. There's also the risk of everyone around me suddenly getting sick, so that services I depend on might shut down (air travel, in particular), so need to be prepared for that too.

Currently, coronavirus kills or leaves lasting injuries mostly in those over age 40, while mostly leaving younger people unhurt. Since Kyiv has a youngish population, it should be lightly affected if this age selectivity continues true. Mongers are mostly older and thus more vulnerable and of course mongering is a discretionary activity that can be reduced at any time. Thus possibly girls will become desperate for busines once they are reassured that young people are not too vulnerable. Then again, something I've noticed in other crisis situations, is that many people who should be running away instead run towards the crisis, and vice-versa. So conceivable that Kyiv will be flooded with older mongers soon but no girls want to work. I still plan on going there this summer myself.

[QUOTE=Kozerog;2431507]So conceivable that Kyiv will be flooded with older mongers soon[/QUOTE]Not if the coronavirus eventually leads to a global recession. Fewer mongers would have the money to spare.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2430626]Yes there seems to be a significant decrease in travellers to Kiev from my observation at Borispil Airport. No long queues at passport control when I arrived there late February.[/QUOTE]Are you flying to KBP from a high-risk country?

I was in Kyiv from Feb. 17 - 22 - obviously no checks at that time as it was before the cases in Italy.

But I did notice that when I was fly from Barcelona to the USA on Feb. 26 they did ask many questions about my travels and others. Maybe it's a thing the US mandated.

I spend most of my time with my Ukrainian contact for the 5 days I was in Kyiv and got hooked up with some girls when she was not available. Pick up some contacts for those I like.

I was not aggressive on trying to meet girls given the virus. Definitely did not have the full experience and will go there again.

It's a very beautiful city and a lot cheaper than other EU places without losing quality; younger people will speak some English as they reckon Russian is not the only language they should know.

In terms of quality of the ladies, it's really a thing with personal preference. I really don't see anything too special or outstanding for the most part. Cost will definitely bring me back again.

I do notice that younger girls are covered with tattoos, girls who have done some work are having implants and lip injections. Which is confusing for me as they are better without them.

Was there an age poll on this site? Everybody's talking like "OGs" who's been doing this for decades. Haha.

[QUOTE=Ming69;2431609]Are you flying to KBP from a high-risk country?

I was in Kyiv from Feb. 17 - 22 - obviously no checks at that time as it was before the cases in Italy.

But I did notice that when I was fly from Barcelona to the USA on Feb. 26 they did ask many questions about my travels and others. Maybe it's a thing the US mandated.[/QUOTE]I am from China, and I guess it falls into the category of high-risk countries. My city is quite far from Hubei Province though, and there were only a few confirmed cases in my province. My cities has been quarantined since late January, most public places were shut down, people were required to stay at home as much as possible, and number of flights and trains to other cities was significantly reduced. So I stayed at home basically doing nothing for weeks before I decided to make a trip to Kiev.

I first flew to Moscow from Shanghai, and stayed there for a few days. We were temp checked on our Aeroflot flight upon arrival. There was a large medical team at Sheremetyevo Airport waiting for us. Got health checked there by the friendly staff, signed some Terms & Conditions, and I was allowed to enter the border. I was luck, because a few days later the Russian government decided to temporarily forbid Chinese citizens to enter Russia on tourist visas.

I came to Kiev on Feb 21 and transferred in Minsk. I was taken extra care of there obviously because of my nationality. I was stopped at passport control before boarding my flight to Kiev, was approached by a medical team. They asked my a lot of questions, checked my documents, tested my temperature, and took some of my saliva and nasal mucus. I barely made it to board my flight. I do not blame them, though. They were very professional and did a great job to protect their country and its people.

The process of entering Ukrainian boarder at Borispil was smooth. No queues, no medical checks, no extra questions.

[QUOTE=Ming69;2431609]I was in Kyiv from Feb. 17 - 22 - obviously no checks at that time as it was before the cases in Italy.

But I did notice that when I was fly from Barcelona to the USA on Feb. 26 they did ask many questions about my travels and others. Maybe it's a thing the US mandated.[/QUOTE]Stay safe bro. It seems that the disease has begun to spread in Europe quite fast. I feel really sorry that our people has caused so much trouble to the rest of the world.

[QUOTE=Ming69;2431609]I was not aggressive on trying to meet girls given the virus. Definitely did not have the full experience and will go there again.[/QUOTE]Wise decision. Safety should be our top priority in Kiev at the moment. Avoid meeting new girls, or keep them at minimum at least, and avoid kissing them.

I am staying with my girlfriend and have no plans to meet other girls, so I suppose I am exposing myself to low risks if getting infected. However I still have to go to supermarkets, and the fact that no one here wears masks makes me confused.

[QUOTE=Ming69;2431609]It's a very beautiful city and a lot cheaper than other EU places without losing quality; younger people will speak some English as they reckon Russian is not the only language they should know.

In terms of quality of the ladies, it's really a thing with personal preference. I really don't see anything too special or outstanding for the most part. Cost will definitely bring me back again.

I do notice that younger girls are covered with tattoos, girls who have done some work are having implants and lip injections. Which is confusing for me as they are better without them.[/QUOTE]There have been ongoing debates of whether Kiev is a good destination for mongering, but I'm a big believer of patience and hard work. You will find real gems if you try hard enough.

I have no problem with tattoos in most cases, but silicon implants could be a huge turn-off for me.

[QUOTE=Ming69;2431609]Was there an age poll on this site? Everybody's talking like "OGs" who's been doing this for decades. Haha.[/QUOTE]I don't think there was. I am 23 and just started my mongering career a few years ago! Learned a lot from the veterans and have great respect for them.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2431763]I came to Kiev on Feb 21 and transferred in Minsk. I was taken extra care of there obviously because of my nationality. I was stopped at passport control before boarding my flight to Kiev, was approached by a medical team. They asked my a lot of questions, checked my documents, tested my temperature, and took some of my saliva and nasal mucus. I barely made it to board my flight. I do not blame them, though. They were very professional and did a great job to protect their country and its people.

The process of entering Ukrainian boarder at Borispil was smooth. No queues, no medical checks, no extra questions.[/QUOTE]Perhaps this is somewhat similar to security checks for flights from Canada to US. Everything is checked at the large Canadian airport, like Toronto YYZ Pearson and others. Or Israeli El Al staff performs strict searches and questioning still in US before boarding the flight on route to Ben-Gurion / Tel Aviv.

Same with your flight from Moscow to Minsk to Kiev. Ukrainian airlines may rely on medical procedures performed and documented in Minsk.

I still think that all the global traffic is too relaxed at the moment. And that's fucked up.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2431763]I am from China, and I guess it falls into the category of high-risk countries. My city is quite far from Hubei Province though, and there were only a few confirmed cases in my province. My cities has been quarantined since late January, most public places were shut down, people were required

I am staying with my girlfriend and have no plans to meet other girls, so I suppose I am exposing myself to low risks if getting infected. However I still have to go to supermarkets, and the fact that no one here wears masks makes me confused.[/QUOTE]Why should people wear masks?

Its most prevent infected people from spreading the virus and you need to use it correct and change it many times a day.

I today went from borispol and out.

I saw several with mask, I even saw 1 guy with mask then he went to the business lounge and laid down on a sofa and took the mask half off?

One other girl was with a mask also, she had her fingers playing with her mask for several minutes.

Things like that make them totally ineffective.

Only things that really help is washing hand and in general make sure all areas are cleaned, I notices the toilets in both business lounge and the normal one had a hard smell of Bleech, so they washing with Bleech which will kill the virus.

All Data right now also shown a Slowdown in the spreading, and death rate is falling.

[QUOTE=Hestendk;2432338]Why should people wear masks?

Its most prevent infected people from spreading the virus and you need to use it correct and change it many times a day.[/QUOTE]This is a very common misconception. Masks do not only prevent the infected from spreading the virus to others, they can help to protect healthy people from the virus as well. The masks can not keep you 100% safe, as the virus in the air could penetrate ordinary masks, but they are effective at capturing droplets, which is one of the main transmission routes of virus. There are studies proving that wearing masks properly could significantly reduce your chance of getting infected by virus in public places. However, it's true that wearing masks improperly could decrease their effectiveness, and could even backfire by increasing your chance of getting the virus. This is why people should be informed by the authorities of the correct ways of wearing masks, and how to properly dispose of them once they are used.

People should understand that not only the infected people have the need to wear masks. Two of my friends from China have been recently verbally abused in England by some locals because of their Asian appearance and the fact that they were wearing masks. This was ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Hestendk;2432338]Only things that really help is washing hand and in general make sure all areas are cleaned, I notices the toilets in both business lounge and the normal one had a hard smell of Bleech, so they washing with Bleech which will kill the virus.

All Data right now also shown a Slowdown in the spreading, and death rate is falling.[/QUOTE]Good hygiene definitely helps. Besides, regular exercise helps you build stronger immune system which could make the virus less deadlier to you.

[QUOTE=Hestendk;2432338]All Data right now also shown a Slowdown in the spreading, and death rate is falling.[/QUOTE][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NCoV20200209_Hubei_China_ROW_cases.png[/URL]

The spread has slowed down in China, but not in Europe. Number of confirmed cases has been rising fast in many countries. The death rate in Italy in particular is quite high, at 5%, compared to the global average of 3. 5%. The may suggest that there could be a lot of people were infected, but haven't been tested. I would say it is still not the time to relax.