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[QUOTE=Sorbonne;2443108]Kiev Post says today that Per Capita GDP in Ukraine is $5400.

Wiki says it was $3600 in 2019.

I'm not sure where the statistics come from.[/QUOTE]Official per capita GDP is published by State Statistics Service of Ukraine and was 3,659 USD in Dec 2019:

[URL]https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/ukraine/gdp-per-capita[/URL]

Of course, since prices are low in Ukraine, nominal per capita GDP gives a misleading picture of living standards. PPP (purchasing power parity) per capita GDP gives a more realistic picture, 8667 USD in 2017:

[URL]https://www.ceicdata.com/en/ukraine/gross-domestic-product-purchasing-power-parity/ua-gdp-ppp-gdp-per-capita[/URL]

Both nominal and PPP per capita numbers are misleading because of income inequalities and because much of GDP is government spending (infrastructure, etc) versus individual income. Many people in villages in Ukraine live quite well on cash incomes of under 1000 USD per year, which goes for fuel, electricity, bulk grains and manufactured goods. Other food is grown locally (vegetables, milk products from a cow, eggs, pigs and chickens for meat) and they own their houses, so no rent. Some of the food grown for personal consumption and owner occupied housing is captured by GDP, most is probably not.

On the other hand, all of the weaponry produced for use in the Donetsk region shows up in GDP, though this production clearly does not raise living standards. Ditto for healthcare: someone walking around their pretty village to stay healthy does not add to GDP, whereas someone being stabbed in a fight, then operated on at the hospital and finally dying so as to require burial / cremation does increase GDP. In other words, it's quite possible to have a very high GDP but very low standard of living, and vice versa. Non-mainstream economists have been commenting about the absurdity of GDP since the 1930's.

Per capita income is a better indicator.

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;2443108]Kiev Post says today that Per Capita GDP in Ukraine is $5400.

Wiki says it was $3600 in 2019.

I'm not sure where the statistics come from.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SfoCowboy;2443168]Per capita income is a better indicator.[/QUOTE]Income that girls receive from us is difficult to factor in. Most of them spend it right away.

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;2443108]Kiev Post says today that Per Capita GDP in Ukraine is $5400.

Wiki says it was $3600 in 2019.

I'm not sure where the statistics come from.[/QUOTE]Most people work illegally. These are not recorded in the statistics. A kitchen assistant in the restaurant usually earns 500-700 UAH per day (about 20-25 dollars). A waitress in the restaurant often earns $ 1,000- $ 1,500 a month (tip included). Of course not in the small village. But in the city in any case. Often money is made extra. Stolen something in the company. Or the chef only buys bad instead of the best quality for the restaurant. Accounting in Ukraine is poor.

I am one of those lucky people who is flourishing in this crisis. Partly because I was luckily correct with stocks correction timeline and also because my some of my investments are doing better in this situation. I hope all are safe and healthy.

I am hoping that after the crisis, it would be a buyers market and then I can experiment a bit with threesomes. Of course I am not in a new attitude to throw money in waste but in a better position to excitement. I am planning a trip in July and hopefully the airports are open by then. What are your thoughts? When are you intending to visit again?

[QUOTE=NorskKing;2443762]I am one of those lucky people who is flourishing in this crisis. Partly because I was luckily correct with stocks correction timeline and also because my some of my investments are doing better in this situation. I hope all are safe and healthy.

I am hoping that after the crisis, it would be a buyers market and then I can experiment a bit with threesomes. Of course I am not in a new attitude to throw money in waste but in a better position to excitement. I am planning a trip in July and hopefully the airports are open by then. What are your thoughts? When are you intending to visit again?[/QUOTE]I doubt you will be able to travel in July. I was planning to go July 1 and I am pretty much sure I won't be going then. There is an event I want to attend late August and I'm pretty confident that won't be happening either.

[QUOTE=NorskKing;2443762]I am one of those lucky people who is flourishing in this crisis. Partly because I was luckily correct with stocks correction timeline and also because my some of my investments are doing better in this situation. I hope all are safe and healthy.

I am hoping that after the crisis, it would be a buyers market and then I can experiment a bit with threesomes. Of course I am not in a new attitude to throw money in waste but in a better position to excitement. I am planning a trip in July and hopefully the airports are open by then. What are your thoughts? When are you intending to visit again?[/QUOTE]I read an interview with the boss from Kiev Borispol airport a few days ago. He said that flights will probably be resumed in the off-season (autumn / winter). When fewer passengers are flying. An interview with the boss of Lviv airport was hardly more optimistic. She said from late August / September.

Do not be fooled by the fact that flights can already be booked in May. These flights will not exist in reality. No airline is giving money back at the moment. This only fills the airlines' bank accounts.

The Czech Republic is the first country to start up again. The complete plan (the opening of hotels included) runs there until mid-June. The borders will still be closed at this point (and after). I don't think Ukraine opens faster.

I don't know about other nationals, but most Americans are looking to leave Ukraine at this time, not the other way around.

[QUOTE=Rog123;2443843]I doubt you will be able to travel in July. [/QUOTE]If covid19 were a serious threat, then of course anything is possible. But the evidence is pouring in that these lockdowns are overreaction and much worse than covid19 itself. Ukraine is a poor country and cannot afford foolishness. Not when their neighbor to the north (Belarus) has no lockdown and more or less the same results as Ukraine with lockdown. There are also the examples of Sweden and Iceland, but Belarus is the one that counts because it is so similar and so close. As of last Friday, government was talking about opening in May:

[URL]https://www.kmu.gov.ua/en/news/denis-shmigal-uryad-rozroblyaye-strategiyu-vihodu-z-karantinu-vzhe-u-travni[/URL]

Unless the situation worsens in Belarus, expect the pressure for opening to be overwhelming within another two weeks. Watch the situation for both Ukraine and Belarus here:

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;2443997]I don't know about other nationals, but most Americans are looking to leave Ukraine at this time, not the other way around.[/QUOTE]Most Americans are piss-pants. NorskKing is a monger.

[QUOTE=Kozerog;2443999]If covid19 were a serious threat, then of course anything is possible. But the evidence is pouring in that these lockdowns are overreaction and much worse than covid19 itself. Ukraine is a poor country and cannot afford foolishness. Not when their neighbor to the north (Belarus) has no lockdown and more or less the same results as Ukraine with lockdown. There are also the examples of Sweden and Iceland, but Belarus is the one that counts because it is so similar and so close. As of last Friday, government was talking about opening in May:

[URL]https://www.kmu.gov.ua/en/news/denis-shmigal-uryad-rozroblyaye-strategiyu-vihodu-z-karantinu-vzhe-u-travni[/URL]

Unless the situation worsens in Belarus, expect the pressure for opening to be overwhelming within another two weeks. Watch the situation for both Ukraine and Belarus here:

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.[/QUOTE]All countries are talking about opening it gradually. No country can take the toll of economic repercussions of complete lockdown of over 2 months. They have to open some places so that few can get their jobs back or run their businesses. But travelling would be lobg shot for a long time.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2444006]... But travelling would be long shot for a long time.[/QUOTE]What the Ukrainian government will probably do, when they start to allow travel again, is require 2 weeks quarantine for all foreigners. Since I plan on 3 months in Kyiv, I can tolerate 2 weeks quarantine. But probably most mongers travel to Ukraine for shorter periods, so quarantine will be a big obstacle for them. Ukraine will definitely be much poorer as a result of this lockdown, and that will eventually lower prices for girls.

[QUOTE=Kozerog;2444005]Most Americans are piss-pants. NorskKing is a monger.[/QUOTE]I like your posts more and more. I just don't understand why people don't see this whole thing as an opportunity. I don't want to belittle the deaths, but the Ukrainians will need outsiders to get their economy moving. I want to be the one to help do that.

I am an American but I am very irritated I missed getting to Kiev by three days before it shut down. I have been trying to ensure I get there as soon as the ban is lifted and my work colleagues are doing everything they can to get back home taking advantage of the two flghts that have returned to the USA since the lock down. I don; t understand them.

[QUOTE=Kozerog;2444028]What the Ukrainian government will probably do, when they start to allow travel again, is require 2 weeks quarantine for all foreigners. Since I plan on 3 months in Kyiv, I can tolerate 2 weeks quarantine. But probably most mongers travel to Ukraine for shorter periods, so quarantine will be a big obstacle for them. Ukraine will definitely be much poorer as a result of this lockdown, and that will eventually lower prices for girls.[/QUOTE]True for most countries where mongering is dominant.

Yes 2 week quarantine seems like till late this year, which would be a huge no no for most mongers.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;2444069]I like your posts more and more. I just don't understand why people don't see this whole thing as an opportunity. I don't want to belittle the deaths, but the Ukrainians will need outsiders to get their economy moving. I want to be the one to help do that.

I am an American but I am very irritated I missed getting to Kiev by three days before it shut down. I have been trying to ensure I get there as soon as the ban is lifted and my work colleagues are doing everything they can to get back home taking advantage of the two flghts that have returned to the USA since the lock down. I don; t understand them.[/QUOTE]There was another flight from Kiev to the USA on April 15 and there will be 2 more flights within this month.

I was ready to board on April 15, but as we f***ed like there was no tomorrow on April 14, it was too late to board when I rose out of hangover on 15.