Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2500886]Told you. Coronavirus will be cured in November if Trump loses.[/QUOTE]Gino, you are a Genius.

Now, when we will travel without restrictions? Go to FKK without restrictions? Live our lives without wearing stupid masks?

[QUOTE=RockyV;2500905]They make flu vaccine every year and it is effective. Cold is not severe enough to warrant the development of a vaccine.[/QUOTE]Sorry but flue vaccine is not effective every year, they use the virus from NZ and Australia 6 months before (winter there) to create the vaccine for Europe and US some years the mutation of the virus is such that the vaccine is not efficient.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2500955]What goes around comes around. Trump deserves to be lied to, just as he did his entire "presidency". If Pfizer and BioNTech deliberately withheld the good news until after the election, I applaud them. Hope we are on the path getting rid of both T and covid. FKK 2021, we are ready![/QUOTE]CNN&MSNBC have lied for years, that you didn't mind. You only show your contempt for democracy.

Sweden isn't "flatling," as daily case numbers are spiking as deaths are moving upwards in the wake, while the cold weather months are only beginning. Scroll down and check the graphs.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/[/URL]

Also Sweden is best compared to their Nordic Neighbors as the demographics and overall societal constructs are most similar. When compared to these Sweden fairs poorly with drastically higher per capita death rates.

[URL]https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/[/URL]

And many countries that have strongly emphasized masks, social distancing, and other widely recommended health measures have seen great successes. Look up South Korea, Taiwan, and Thailand for starters. Other countries like several in the Americas, plus some in Europe have had these policies but with widespread non-compliance from people like Hammer, or compliance only for periods followed by let ups. The results thus are predictable and the cause and effect clear. Arrogant buffoons that refuse to comply, along with those who promote bad policy have been responsible for a lot of deaths.

Pick your country, scroll down, and check the graphs. I'm speaking to the audience here, not Hammer who will lie and slam his eyes shut to the end, flopping around like a fish on the shore. One would have better luck convincing Trump that he lost the election.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2500796]Look at the Swedish numbers: flat-lining since July, while the rest of Europe keeps on slowly rising. The irony: the countries where the rising is steepest, are the countries with the most strict and most absurd rules (Spain, France, UK), and the only country where the curve has flat-lined is Sweden which has the least amount of madness and the least amount of crazy rules about masks and social distancing:

[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=earliest..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~NLD~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA~RUS&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL][/QUOTE]

Just wait for Covid-2023.

[URL]https://youtu.be/gXlOSEafzhY[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2501048]Sweden isn't "flatling," as daily case numbers are spiking as deaths are moving upwards in the wake, while the cold weather months are only beginning. Scroll down and check the graphs.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/[/URL]

Also Sweden is best compared to their Nordic Neighbors as the demographics and overall societal constructs are most similar. When compared to these Sweden fairs poorly with drastically higher per capita death rates.

[URL]https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/[/URL]

And many countries that have strongly emphasized masks, social distancing, and other widely recommended health measures have seen great successes. Look up South Korea, Taiwan, and Thailand for starters. Other countries like several in the Americas, plus some in Europe have had these policies but with widespread non-compliance from people like Hammer, or compliance only for periods followed by let ups. The results thus are predictable and the cause and effect clear. Arrogant buffoons that refuse to comply, along with those who promote bad policy have been responsible for a lot of deaths.

Pick your country, scroll down, and check the graphs. I'm speaking to the audience here, not Hammer who will lie and slam his eyes shut to the end, flopping around like a fish on the shore. One would have better luck convincing Trump that he lost the election.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.[/QUOTE]Have you ever considered not to cherry-pick so much? Spain and Portugal are neighbors and despite softer measures in Portugal they fared much better than Spain. You only display how little you know and understand of what you're talking about. Anyways, it only goes to show that lockdowns are unnecessary, you can get better results without them. The expected carnage didn't occur.

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2500971]Gino, you are a Genius.

Now, when we will travel without restrictions? Go to FKK without restrictions? Live our lives without wearing stupid masks?[/QUOTE]No man, I'm no genius, just a simple realist observer fly on the wall. To predict answers to your questions, I think we still have two more problems to deal with first:

1) US Supreme Court still might fuck it up. RealClearPolitics already yesterday put Philadelphia back to undecided, and too many irregularities are coming up into light all over the map. Not good.

2) Sheeples, including many governments around the world, need to acknowledge that lockdowns and masking up really doesn't help overall, except for delaying the eventual inevitable. Taxes and Death.

But the MSM (and the DNC) approved celebrations by the sheeples without need for social distancing last weekend all over the USA gave me some guidance, so hopefully the FKK life will be back to normal by February 2021.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2501159]Have you ever considered not to cherry-pick so much? Spain and Portugal are neighbors and despite softer measures in Portugal they fared much better than Spain. You only display how little you know and understand of what you're talking about. Anyways, it only goes to show that lockdowns are unnecessary, you can get better results without them. The expected carnage didn't occur.[/QUOTE]I fully agree with you lockdowns are not necessary as long you have a homogenous population, sharing the same interest and targets, respecting the laws, taking care of the others, what I can tell you this is not the case in France, Italy, Belgium, England, the others I don t know because I don t have enough friends able to give me real field feedback.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2501159]Have you ever considered not to cherry-pick so much? Spain and Portugal are neighbors and despite softer measures in Portugal they fared much better than Spain. You only display how little you know and understand of what you're talking about. Anyways, it only goes to show that lockdowns are unnecessary, you can get better results without them. The expected carnage didn't occur.[/QUOTE]A little nuance would be helpful in these discussions. Perhaps being purposeful in the usage of terms like lock down, quarantine, etc.

I'm not on the "Sweden was a disaster" camp but it is misleading to use Sweden as the crux of a laissez faire / que serra serra approach to covid management. It is not as if Sweden ignored the threat completely. It was not as if while every other nation was locked down, Swedes were out drinking in the streets. From my understanding, secondary schools were shut down, crowd sizes were limited, private business practiced work from home when possible, etc.

The populace themselves seem more compliant to recommendations as seen by the drastic changes in travel habits.

[QUOTE]Overall, travel from the Stockholm region had decreased by 8090%, and the number of citizens of Stockholm travelling to popular holiday destinations like Gotland and the ski resorts in re had fallen with more than 90%. Travel between other regions in Sweden had fallen as well. Ferry-line operator Destination Gotland, who previously had called on their customers to rethink their planned trips for Easter, reported that 85% of all bookings had been rescheduled[/QUOTE]The same goes for Portugal. They also implemented containment measures initially but have softened them according to epidemic severity. Luckily they were spared the initial wave like Italy and Spain but quickly implemented containment and mitigation efforts such as mitigating movement between municipalities, closure of businesses, school closures, etc. Even with their geographic isolation, recent surges have forced them to reinstate restrictions such as curfews and crowd size limitations.

These Sweden model versus the world discussions are too often reduced to lockdown versus zero restriction arguments with no one actually considering the reality of the situation on the ground but rather hypothetical and philosophical "my team versus your team" arguments.

Portugal is now under strong crisis, not better than others. NL preferred to confine now, when Stockholm had so many deaths. What happened in US? If they really found efficient vaccine, when health ministery gave 2 billions USD, how could Pfizer fuck Trump like this, only telling after Biden election. Lets see if this try will be confirmed by Europe.

What if.

- nanorobots are included in the vaccine.

- the nanorobots need 5 G in order to hook up to the web.

- NSA or others will be able to spy through the nanorobots.

- the vaccine works perfectly, but most of the world will never get to see it.

- covid-2021 will be worse, but the vaccine will work against that one too.

Welcome to the world of crazy theories.

What if?

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2501238]I'm not on the "Sweden was a disaster" camp but it is misleading to use Sweden as the crux of a laissez faire / que serra serra approach to covid management. It is not as if Sweden ignored the threat completely. It was not as if while every other nation was locked down, Swedes were out drinking in the streets. From my understanding, secondary schools were shut down, crowd sizes were limited, private business practiced work from home when possible, etc.

The populace themselves seem more compliant to recommendations as seen by the drastic changes in travel habits.[/QUOTE]The fact that the rest of Europe treated Sweden like a pariah worked in Sweden's favor. Was there much inbound / outbound travel in Sweden this summer? Many infection in the UK can be traced to a strain of CV19 that emerged in Spain, that holiday travellers brought back to their home countries: [URL]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/29/coronavirus-strain-discovered-europe-accounts-80-per-cent-uk/[/URL].

Finland seems to be the only country on the continent to have avoided a second wave. They seem to have the same "socially isolated culture" of Sweden. Almost a quarter of Finns believed the lockdown actually improved their lives.

[QUOTE]Not only have Finns followed the rules, but European Parliament research last week found that 23 percent of respondents in the country said that lockdown had actually improved their lives, making Finland the most positive country in Europe towards the coronavirus restrictions.

One reason is likely to be the relative ease of switching to distance working in the highly digitised society.

"The economy is structured so that it's not necessary for a large proportion of the Finnish workforce to be in the workplace," Nelli Hankonen, associate professor of social psychology at Helsinki University, told AFP.
[b]But the national character of the Finns, often characterised as reserved and outdoors-loving, may also have played a part.

"In Finnish culture we are not that highly sociable," Hankonen said.

"We like to be on our own and be a bit isolated."[/b]

Nonetheless, the solitude of lockdown has exacerbated mental health issues which already affect one in five people in Finland, the highest rate in the OECD.

"Social support might not be easily available, it's the other side of the coin of how we were able to adapt to the lockdown," Hankonen said.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-11-finland-europe-quiet-success-covid-.html.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2501238]

I'm not on the "Sweden was a disaster" camp but it is misleading to use Sweden as the crux of a laissez faire / que serra serra approach to covid management. It is not as if Sweden ignored the threat completely. It was not as if while every other nation was locked down, Swedes were out drinking in the streets. From my understanding, secondary schools were shut down, crowd sizes were limited, private business practiced work from home when possible, etc.

The populace themselves seem more compliant to recommendations as seen by the drastic changes in travel habits.
[/QUOTE]Mid-March to early June 'everyone' stayed home in Sweden and very little happened outside of the home. Then school holidays happened and gradually things opened up. Now it's as if 90% don't care about the virus anymore.

Let's see if the 2nd wave will change minds.

There are no concerts, sports is as restricted as elsewhere etc. Except that barely anyone is wearing masks (and it's also recommended against) or that lockdown just won't happen I don't see a major difference with other countries.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2501187].......... Sheeples, including many governments around the world, need to acknowledge that lockdowns and masking up really doesn't help overall................[/QUOTE]Any time I hear or read this I ask myself the question ¨How did China get the pandemic under control?

[QUOTE=Ararat;2501458]Mid-March to early June 'everyone' stayed home in Sweden and very little happened outside of the home. Then school holidays happened and gradually things opened up. Now it's as if 90% don't care about the virus anymore.

Let's see if the 2nd wave will change minds.

There are no concerts, sports is as restricted as elsewhere etc. Except that barely anyone is wearing masks (and it's also recommended against) or that lockdown just won't happen I don't see a major difference with other countries.[/QUOTE]Sweden also almost closed universities.