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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2574958]Those are some shifty numbers.

It's not accurate to look at the pay as 50 e per half hour or 100 e per hour. Each girl is basically her own shop / business with busy hours, slow hours, and business expense. If a restaurant sells 1000 euro during the lunch hour, you don't say that the business generates 1000 e per hour. It averages down with the slower hours over however many ever hours and then you deduct expenses. An employee making $50 per hour only has to provide for the transportation to work and perhaps some uniform.

The inflation argument is a valid one as the cost of doing business has increased over 20 years, along with the cost of living. Not to mention that Romania is becoming more Western every day, and with that, the disproportional increase in cost of living in Eastern Europe compared to Western Europe. It's not as if we're talking about the Brazilian girls who makes her money and goes home to sleep in her own home or perhaps hops on a bus to her city in the same country.

The drastic up charge to 150/ HR is ludicrous but it would change nothing for me if prices changed to around 60 e for the first half hour.[/QUOTE]There is absolutely nothing "shifty" about those numbers at all. It's straight forward arithmetic, and it makes the solid point. And that's for the average working stiff, 50 euros for 30 minutes of work or 100 euros for 60 minutes of work is a [B]lot[/B] of money that would dramatically change the quality of their lives. I knew somebody would respond exactly how you did, and it changes absolutely nothing about reality. Very, very, very few people on this earth can earn 50 euros for just 30 minutes of work. These FKK prostitutes can, that's some damn good money, and they should stop complaining and start providing consistently good service to obtain and keep steady paying clients. There's a good reason for why the FKK cost structure has remained steady for so long. It's been a long-standing promise of premium pay for valuable personal services rendered. It always amazes me how mongers can come on here and promote the "privilege" to pay substantially more money out of their own pockets for the same level of service, or even less!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2574917]Yeah, all of those bother me no end. Shortchanging on time is one of my bigger pet peeves. I am a follow the rules strictly type person, and to me the 50 E for 30 min is a contract. I can't stand girls who cheat on time. How would they feel if after 30 minutes I give them 40 E? Would the club management be OK w / that? Why is cutting short on time any different?[/QUOTE]An effective methodology to handle a cheater, IMHO, is to walk out of the room as soon as possible, ideally within 10 minutes, which I think is plenty of time to recognize her scamming intentions. And by this I mean prior to any active lovemaking by me. Some basic negotiation prior the room may helpful. What matters most is whether I am unloading my cum joyfully or struggling badly to finish, like using my or her hand to reach the destination. Preserving my precious load for the next honest girl instead of wasting it on an ignorant cheater is the only right way to handle the matter. 40 euro is very a generous offer in the aftermath if she has touched me but I stayed passive.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2574913]One downside of FKKs are those ridiculous extra charges. I remember my first visit to an FKK (Oase) many years ago when a girl told me there is an extra charge for COB, I was astounded, no other place on earth has such a charge. Some want to charge extra for BBBJ and DATY, which I never accepted. For me the worst is refusal to change positions. Fortunately, most of the girls I go with do not request those ridiculous charges.[/QUOTE]In 12 years in FKK, I only had one bad session and that was in Oase too! So I never really went back to Oase after that, but I will try my luck again next time I am in FR! I paid 100 euro for that session, but light deep kiss and somehow the session was lousy! But another one I had was good enough in room, so it was 50/50 at Oase for me, but lets see if my next visit going to be promising!

Overall, all FKK girls were good service and good hearted considering their circumstances! It is not easy working environment and still remained polite and nice and service oriented, that I respect about FKK girls!

I met some real nasty ones at escort in Japan sometimes, so I respect FKK girls for their professionalism both being nice and providing good service in room.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2575035]There is absolutely nothing "shifty" about those numbers at all. It's straight forward arithmetic, and it makes the solid point. And that's for the average working stiff, 50 euros for 30 minutes of work or 100 euros for 60 minutes of work is a [B]lot[/B] of money that would dramatically change the quality of their lives. I knew somebody would respond exactly how you did, and it changes absolutely nothing about reality. Very, very, very few people on this earth can earn 50 euros for just 30 minutes of work. These FKK prostitutes can, that's some damn good money, and they should stop complaining and start providing consistently good service to obtain and keep steady paying clients. There's a good reason for why the FKK cost structure has remained steady for so long. It's been a long-standing promise of premium pay for valuable personal services rendered. It always amazes me how mongers can come on here and promote the "privilege" to pay substantially more money out of their own pockets for the same level of service, or even less![/QUOTE]Hopefully this thread can be discussed with objectivity while wearing big boy pants. "I knew somebody would respond with blah blahs " sounds like how middle school siblings would debate when making statements like "I told you so" It's an off putting comment that's little too ego driven and a childlike way to debate.

While I am not advocating for a price increase (why would I want to pay more? I would be okay with a reasonable price hike after 20 years of enjoying low prices, but not a doubling which is clearly exploiting the situation. Like I said, if the half hour rate is increased to 60 e, that seems reasonable, especially if it puts some girls at ease to deter the 50 e price gouging. It is already 60 in Artemis and Babylon so the market already suggests that this rate is not outrageous.

The shifty numbers point is the extrapolation of 50 e per half hour to:

1. Pure revenue which it is not.

2. A 40 hour work week as if they are guaranteed 40 hours of pay which they do not.

Again, when a business makes a sale in an hour, you will not extrapolate that to 40 hours. If you pay a plumber $200 to fix something that required him to be on site for 1 hour, you do not say that he makes $200 per hour. His service cost $200 but his pay from that goes into the cost of operating the business and time not on a call.

Unless the clubs are paying the girls a guaranteed hourly rate, saying that they make 50 e per half and extrapolating that to a full work week is indeed shifty numbers which does not paint an accurate picture of income.

The point not made in good faith.

They make good FKK employees but they are not cut out to be police women.

A good video in Romania of a criminal jumping past a Romanian girl police officer without any consequences.

[URL]https://youtu.be/aEMPPi23JVA?t=15[/URL]

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2575090]An effective methodology to handle a cheater, IMHO, is to walk out of the room as soon as possible, ideally within 10 minutes, which I think is plenty of time to recognize her scamming intentions. And by this I mean prior to any active lovemaking by me. Some basic negotiation prior the room may helpful. What matters most is whether I am unloading my cum joyfully or struggling badly to finish, like using my or her hand to reach the destination. Preserving my precious load for the next honest girl instead of wasting it on an ignorant cheater is the only right way to handle the matter. 40 euro is very a generous offer in the aftermath if she has touched me but I stayed passive.[/QUOTE]I have found that negotiation prior to the room has never saved me from a short timer. My first experience of short timing was at Sharks perhaps 5 years ago. The girl told me time up after around 15 minutes. I decided to complain to management, they were pleasant but there was no resolution in my favor. The guy told me you're here to enjoy yourself so why spoil by complaining, LOL. Generally 90% of my FKK sessions are good so I have since never lodged a complaint to management.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2575090]An effective methodology to handle a cheater, IMHO, is to walk out of the room as soon as possible, ideally within 10 minutes, which I think is plenty of time to recognize her scamming intentions. And by this I mean prior to any active lovemaking by me. Some basic negotiation prior the room may helpful. What matters most is whether I am unloading my cum joyfully or struggling badly to finish, like using my or her hand to reach the destination. Preserving my precious load for the next honest girl instead of wasting it on an ignorant cheater is the only right way to handle the matter. 40 euro is very a generous offer in the aftermath if she has touched me but I stayed passive.[/QUOTE]If you cut the session short and give her the money, isn't she getting away with bad service and behavior. Getting paid 50 for 10 minutes of lousy service? For me, FKK sex is just a physical activity so I try to tune out their whiny behavior; if she gives attitude about blow job, kissing, licking etc, then at I least try to fuck for the full 30 minutes or as close to it as possible. They can't deny fucking as that is well within the rules. Of course, towards the end of a long trip after multiple days / sessions, pounding away is a bit tougher. Typically, I try to session with known girls towards the end of the day / trip so that there are no nasty surprises. Hopefully, after 3 or 4 days of clubbing you have found a few reliable girls that are worth repeating.

Pre-room negotiations are only moderately helpful to me. You will get to know what is included in the price she is expecting. How enthusiastically she will perform, what her attitude will be, etc. Are going to be unknowns and can vary customer to customer, session to session. That is always a risk with a first timer girl but also a pleasure, getting to fuck a girl for the first time.

I try to make small talk with other guests and get their input if possible but tastes vary. Those that remember girls' names may read reviews here which could be helpful but my memory sucks when it comes to their names.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2575207]While I am not advocating for a price increase (why would I want to pay more) I would be okay with a reasonable price hike after 20 years of enjoying low prices, but not a doubling which is clearly exploiting the situation. Like I said, if the half hour rate is increased to 60 e, that seems reasonable, especially if it puts some girls at ease to deter the 50 e price gouging. It is already 60 in Artemis and Babylon so the market already suggests that this rate is not outrageous. The point not made in good faith.[/QUOTE]Well if you want to make an extra donation of your money per half hour, why don't you just go ahead then? I mean nobody is stopping you from paying what you believe to be a reasonable price hike, so just go ahead. It's your money and nobody can stop you, so voluntarily do as you please and believe to be reasonable and fair. Do pay more if it makes you happy. At the end of the day, I believe people should spend the money they earned as they want. In the meantime, I'm rather certain that the rest of us will remain quite pleased with placing our faith in 50 euros per half hour for services rendered, in accordance with house rules (in most clubs thus placing Artemis and Babylon in a stark minority where the market otherwise [B]does not[/B] suggest going, lest they wouldn't be just two). In 50 euros we trust! Makes Mr. Ho swell with pride!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2575295]If you cut the session short and give her the money, isn't she getting away with bad service and behavior. Getting paid 50 for 10 minutes of lousy service? For me, FKK sex is just a physical activity so I try to tune out their whiny behavior; if she gives attitude about blow job, kissing, licking etc, then at I least try to fuck for the full 30 minutes or as close to it as possible. They can't deny fucking as that is well within the rules. Of course, towards the end of a long trip after multiple days / sessions, pounding away is a bit tougher. Typically, I try to session with known girls towards the end of the day / trip so that there are no nasty surprises. Hopefully, after 3 or 4 days of clubbing you have found a few reliable girls that are worth repeating.

Pre-room negotiations are only moderately helpful to me. You will get to know what is included in the price she is expecting. How enthusiastically she will perform, what her attitude will be, etc. Are going to be unknowns and can vary customer to customer, session to session. That is always a risk with a first timer girl but also a pleasure, getting to fuck a girl for the first time.

I try to make small talk with other guests and get their input if possible but tastes vary. Those that remember girls' names may read reviews here which could be helpful but my memory sucks when it comes to their names.[/QUOTE]In case of FKK, if she has lousy service, after some BBBJ, DATY etc I just fuck her hardcore doggy style, cum and get out of the room even at 15th or 20th minute, but that only happened once and I am happy with services in FKK and I am quite specific client who demand little more than others like rimjob etc. But I would cut the session once I finish. Even it only happened once, if it happen again I would react in same way to cut the session. Getting rid of bad apple is as important for me, so once my business is over, she is out. It is me though, but one thing I would say is that there is no point to try to extract good service or good behavior or manner out of such low educated girl not just in school but in her home and life, so I would not bother, just fuck hard and get rid of the bad apple.

However, I did pay 50 euro for nothing LOL! But I won't count on it as her fault LOL! Let me explain, in palace, I took this girl to room and usually I am so good as choosing the right girl, but once I enter the room, I realize there is something wrong with her face for me to accept her as stunner to my level LOL So I told her to cancel the session and pay her 50 euro LOL! She knew what I meant and the reason why I cancelled somehow and Oh man, she was so angry, I was cursed with some Romanian language LOL! It must have been not thank you in Romanian LOL! For whatever cost, I will only be sexual with stunners of stunners and 50 euro to alleviate not good enough stunner for is a plus and it was my bad selection and I learnt to look even more in detail that I already was doing! Why do you think I sit hours in FKK till I find the stunner of stunners LOL!

So in 12 years in FKK, I only had one bad session at oase, which I did DFK and cum etc, but something was off and another one was at palace, but that is more my fault and paid my 50 euro damage for it LOL!

In escort in Japan, I fucked up twice before, where girl looked stunner, but total bad personality, that is down side of escort. But others were all amazing!

So all in all, mongering since I was 17 years old and now for 24 years as me being 41 years old now, I only came across 3 girls that are nasty personality, and 1 that was my fault in palace, so 4 bad sessions to my taste, but all rest were amazing sessions, so on balance scale I call that winning situation and mongering is so worth it!

I conclude, in life, some you win, some you lose and with mongering with above data of mine, it is more winning than losing by far, so do not let the bad days that is few ruin your good day as good day as a monger, oh man you remember how you felt on those good days don't you? I do, it was eternal amazing feeling that still put big smile on my face LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2575259]I have found that negotiation prior to the room has never saved me from a short timer. My first experience of short timing was at Sharks perhaps 5 years ago. The girl told me time up after around 15 minutes. I decided to complain to management, they were pleasant but there was no resolution in my favor. The guy told me you're here to enjoy yourself so why spoil by complaining, LOL. Generally 90% of my FKK sessions are good so I have since never lodged a complaint to management.[/QUOTE]I also have few bitter experience in clubs. One lady in World didn't permit me to fondle her tits as it was a 50/30 schedule. But after few hours she came back and talked with me for longer time. May be she sensed some positive things in me. He he. The ladies in NRW clubs are more friendly with me than Hesse clubs. May be Hesse club girls are more intimate towards regulars and it is quite normal and understandable.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2575488]I also have few bitter experience in clubs. One lady in World didn't permit me to fondle her tits as it was a 50/30 schedule. But after few hours she came back and talked with me for longer time. May be she sensed some positive things in me. He he. The ladies in NRW clubs are more friendly with me than Hesse clubs. May be Hesse club girls are more intimate towards regulars and it is quite normal and understandable.[/QUOTE]The top stunners are proud of their beauty, when you propose 50 euro you don't respect them so you are getting what you deserve. It is the same in all the business. The girls are not stupid they are just looking for money, not for sex, not for love nothing else than money. The best client is the one paying a lot for more or less nothing, just the time and many guys are doing this. You can't imagine how many guys are paying girls not for having sex, or just the minimum, they are happy to be with a beautiful girl, speaking about many things like with a psychiatric and doing so they also don t have the feeling to cheat on their wife or girl friend.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2575230]They make good FKK employees but they are not cut out to be police women.

A good video in Romania of a criminal jumping past a Romanian girl police officer without any consequences.

[URL]https://youtu.be/aEMPPi23JVA?t=15[/URL][/QUOTE]G7 and some EU nations are rather legit nations not just economically, but their behavior. Such rule do not apply to every single citizens of course, but there are tendency that some nations are more safer and proper and trust worthy than others.

I think everyone who is against p6 needs an introduction to this entire thing. Every indoctrinated person who still believes there is something wrong with this profession also needs to understand how it works:

[URL]https://youtu.be/mzdqyXtPbbE[/URL]

When that is said, global trade with the use of traceable cryptocurrencies would instantly remove the downsides related to middlemen turning profits from this. Even the institution of the state, who earns taxes. Taxes are inherently a way of pimping and trafficking the entire population. No matter what type of work people do. From a nurse and a police officer, to a McDonald's employee or a textile factory worker.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2575035]There is absolutely nothing "shifty" about those numbers at all. It's straight forward arithmetic, and it makes the solid point. And that's for the average working stiff, 50 euros for 30 minutes of work or 100 euros for 60 minutes of work is a [B]lot[/B] of money that would dramatically change the quality of their lives. I knew somebody would respond exactly how you did, and it changes absolutely nothing about reality. Very, very, very few people on this earth can earn 50 euros for just 30 minutes of work. These FKK prostitutes can, that's some damn good money, and they should stop complaining and start providing consistently good service to obtain and keep steady paying clients. There's a good reason for why the FKK cost structure has remained steady for so long. It's been a long-standing promise of premium pay for valuable personal services rendered. It always amazes me how mongers can come on here and promote the "privilege" to pay substantially more money out of their own pockets for the same level of service, or even less![/QUOTE]50 euro for taking girl to pizzeria is a lot of effort, and 100 euro to take her to better restaurant is a lot of effort, but to pay 50 euro to tell her to suck my dick is priceless feeling of arbitrage LOL! Only in Germany LOL! German Arbitrage LOL!

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2575488]I also have few bitter experience in clubs. One lady in World didn't permit me to fondle her tits as it was a 50/30 schedule. But after few hours she came back and talked with me for longer time. May be she sensed some positive things in me. He he. The ladies in NRW clubs are more friendly with me than Hesse clubs. May be Hesse club girls are more intimate towards regulars and it is quite normal and understandable.[/QUOTE]It only happen very rarely, at least for me, but one must understand that most of these girls comes from the culture, background or household where they only sees your kindness as weakness. Simply they are from sad, stupid back ground where only education they can get is being street smart, but even that they do it in immature ways in most cases. Some remained nice, some in rare cases did not remain nice, but canning, they think they won something by doing so.

So all in all, in most cases it is not you, but them. It is very rare anyways, so all you have to do is smile and walk away for better day with other stunner and remember that one day those girls going to pay the grave price for being how they are, which they are already having by sucking strangers cock in her mouths LOL! So don't worry, you still shove your penis in her mouth LOL! No matter what they say to you, you can still say, well you are the one sucking my dick LOL! You put that in her mouth boy LOL! Who is the winner now LOL! You just tell them to put it in your mouth LOL!