Hong Kong Club Reports

[QUOTE=HKMonger;2998102]Well, I wouldn't go with a girl if I though I was going to be just. A "client". Would any guy? I 100% expect more than that, or at least the potential for more than that. Otherwise, it's just not worth it.

It's actually a fallacy to believe that just because a girl works at HK, you are relegated to being her client in some kind of business relationship. They are just ordinary girls when it comes down to it. They can like you or not like you just like an a girl you meet in everyday life. [/QUOTE]They can like you or not, just like any other woman—but money has to always be part of the equation. An HK girl (or any working girl) usually isn’t comfortable if a former client treats her like just any regular woman. Once they know you’re aware they’re putas, they relax more as long as money stays in the picture. Outside of that, no puta really chills with you for long—at least, not usually. There are whole movies about this kind of dynamic.

Also, it depends on the arrangement, but her time with you has to be worth her while in some way, even if no cash changes hands. And honestly, you could argue that all interactions between men and women come down to what each person gets out of it.

[QUOTE=Hadez;2998134]So you are actually trying to turn a working girl into a "relationship" of some kind?

I mean whatever makes you happy but have you considered what this ride will be like? Or you just trying to get free sex from a girl who sells sex as her job?[/QUOTE]

Man, I've been to that mountaintop and back. People might say I'm crazy but I liked the thrill of it. I still do, but I'm more cautious now.

If a relationship opportunity presented itself, would I take it? Maybe, I don't know. I mean, anyone who spends there free time going to a w****house must have deep psychological issues, right? I'm probably as fucked up as any of the girls in there, so it's actually a good match. lol

But in the short term, if I take a girl OTC, all I really want to know is that the girl likes being there. That's basically it. Then they get the money plus a fun time. That is satisfying to me. But I get scared of easily if I feel she's not down for it.

I don't go looking for free sex. I don't have a lot of "game" so to speak. And all that game stuff just seems like a lot of work anyway so you might as well just spend the money. Spending the money has always been easier and more natural than anything else, for me.

And, if a girl likes you and you have good chemistry, she's likely going to give you a good deal. Not free, mind you, but a good deal. If it really isn't that much "work" for her to be with you she is going to give you perks. If she thinks you're an ugly boring dude and she just tolerates you for the money, you're going to have to pay the ugly boring dude price.

Let me clarify what I meant by Client / Provider relationship vs looking for more.

To me, a client / provider relationship is when she views time spent with you as work that she needs to be paid for. She may feign interest, but she really has no interest in you, sexually or otherwise, and would not spend time with you except under the condition that you pay her.

To move beyond this doesn't mean that she is "in love with you. " or that she is now your girlfriend. It simply means that she likes spending time with you, and enjoys the sex with you, so that it is understood that it really isn't a great deal of work for her to be there. Any money she receives is now just a bonus to an already fun time. In addition, she may at this time let you into her life a bit and you may get to know her circle of friends, or you may become "one of the gang". You can go into a deeper relationship from here but it's really not necessary.

If you are in the first category you are hurting. It is necessary to move into the second category to get any reasonable deal. I guess if you are rich and can just throw any amount of money at women this might not even matter that much to you, but I'm not in that boat. Thus, I need to gauge a girls level of interest carefully before preceding.

Ok I get it. I relate with a lot of what you are saying. I am with you on a lot of what you saying.

It is not hard for me to find girls who enjoy spending time with me. I treat them like they want to be treated in terms of like a lady / loca. I make sure they are happy with the financial arrangement. They do things as women and locas that I need as a man. Typically the girl starts failing on her part in some way while I remain consistent. All good, I can find another in 1 or 2 visits to the clubs. Sometimes a replacement can be found in a matter of hours. I would prefer one but I also understand this can be difficult for a person to navigate the feelings+business that will come up.

In terms of does a girl like you, do you make her climax? The clitoris does not lie once a guy knows what he is doing. I can tell quickly if a girl actually likes me or not. That is just step 1. Is she even available emotionally for what the monger wants? A lot of these girls will limit what they do with mongers because they have a guy they sharing the money with they get from working. I guess it all comes down to what exactly a monger wants from the girl. How much is good for the monger?

The "relationship" part is complicated. Sex work is so looked down on in so many areas of life it is hard to find the needed support to understand how to balance the relationship+work. Any balance between money and relationship can be difficult to negotiate even in other business. In sex work it is next level complicated.

I was running strong with one and a good friend asked me if we did get into a "relationship" do I want her to stop working? Hell no. The loca is working to support her kid, her mother, and her younger bother and sister. I can not support all of that. This on top of I have met VERY few who are good with their money considering their business. Yea I met one who is managing her expenses well while working at the club. Props to her. I met another one who is managing her expenses and finances so well she could probably qualify for a VISA to the the USA all on her own. ALL the rest could learn a lot from these two girls.

[QUOTE=HKMonger;2998174]Man, I've been to that mountaintop and back. People might say I'm crazy but I liked the thrill of it. I still do, but I'm more cautious now.

If a relationship opportunity presented itself, would I take it? Maybe, I don't know. I mean, anyone who spends there free time going to a w****house must have deep psychological issues, right? I'm probably as fucked up as any of the girls in there, so it's actually a good match. lol

But in the short term, if I take a girl OTC, all I really want to know is that the girl likes being there. That's basically it. Then they get the money plus a fun time. That is satisfying to me. But I get scared of easily if I feel she's not down for it.

I don't go looking for free sex. I don't have a lot of "game" so to speak. And all that game stuff just seems like a lot of work anyway so you might as well just spend the money. Spending the money has always been easier and more natural than anything else, for me.

And, if a girl likes you and you have good chemistry, she's likely going to give you a good deal. Not free, mind you, but a good deal. If it really isn't that much "work" for her to be with you she is going to give you perks. If she thinks you're an ugly boring dude and she just tolerates you for the money, you're going to have to pay the ugly boring dude price.[/QUOTE]

The enjoying sex part is tricky for girls. Very few girls have a sex drive that can allow her to keep up with her work. The ones who actually have a sex drive that can keep up with their work may be diagnosed as flawed by a psychiatrists. I think those locas are a magnificent goddess.

Point for me, I try to be understanding if every sex moment is not as good as other moments with the same girl. As long as they doing what is needed for me, I accept what they can give. Recently with one loca the evening was magical sex, straight loca elite sexo. She was sucking everything on my body, wanting me to choke her, spank her and do all kinds of wild stuff. Then in the morning it was much more calm. She has told me she enjoys sex much more at night than morning but she will still gives me what I need in the morning. That is a good loca imo.

Another girl was not as understanding of my need in the morning. Last time her and I spent the night together. She is still trying to get back with me. A good girl, just not good enough loca for my limited resources.

It is not just sex, if I am spending OTC money, there needs to be fun of some kind. Dancing at a club. Going somewhere we both enjoy. Some kind of fun. I think this not only helps with my feeling it was worth while but if she is having fun it also helps with the sex.

[QUOTE=HKMonger;2998180]Let me clarify what I meant by Client / Provider relationship vs looking for more.

To me, a client / provider relationship is when she views time spent with you as work that she needs to be paid for. She may feign interest, but she really has no interest in you, sexually or otherwise, and would not spend time with you except under the condition that you pay her.

To move beyond this doesn't mean that she is "in love with you. " or that she is now your girlfriend. It simply means that she likes spending time with you, and enjoys the sex with you, so that it is understood that it really isn't a great deal of work for her to be there. Any money she receives is now just a bonus to an already fun time. In addition, she may at this time let you into her life a bit and you may get to know her circle of friends, or you may become "one of the gang". You can go into a deeper relationship from here but it's really not necessary.

If you are in the first category you are hurting. It is necessary to move into the second category to get any reasonable deal. I guess if you are rich and can just throw any amount of money at women this might not even matter that much to you, but I'm not in that boat. Thus, I need to gauge a girls level of interest carefully before preceding.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hadez;2998279]The enjoying sex part is tricky for girls. Very few girls have a sex drive that can allow her to keep up with her work. The ones who actually have a sex drive that can keep up with their work may be diagnosed as flawed by a psychiatrists. I think those locas are a magnificent goddess.

Point for me, I try to be understanding if every sex moment is not as good as other moments with the same girl. As long as they doing what is needed for me, I accept what they can give. Recently with one loca the evening was magical sex, straight loca elite sexo. She was sucking everything on my body, wanting me to choke her, spank her and do all kinds of wild stuff. Then in the morning it was much more calm. She has told me she enjoys sex much more at night than morning but she will still gives me what I need in the morning. That is a good loca imo.

Another girl was not as understanding of my need in the morning. Last time her and I spent the night together. She is still trying to get back with me. A good girl, just not good enough loca for my limited resources.

It is not just sex, if I am spending OTC money, there needs to be fun of some kind. Dancing at a club. Going somewhere we both enjoy. Some kind of fun. I think this not only helps with my feeling it was worth while but if she is having fun it also helps with the sex.[/QUOTE]Women don't naturally get physically drained from sex the way men do. Their bodies handle it better unless they're dealing with rough sex, alcohol, drugs, or just being worn out from lack of rest. Mentally, though? That's a different story. The stigma around prostitution, the judgment from society, even from us mongers weighs on them hard and messes with their heads.

That's why it's so rare for a working girl to truly enjoy sex on the job. But (and this is a big but), if a ton of conditions line up just right (way too many to list) they can actually orgasm with a client. I've seen it happen, more than once. And I'm talking real orgasms, not just the usual fake thrusts, moans or wetness. We're talking clear physical signs of contractions, involuntary reactions, the whole deal. Trust me, I've been around long enough to know the difference.

Men, on the other hand? Orgasms do take a toll on us physically. And that effect only gets worse as we get older.

When I was first going to the Zona I would tap 5+ girls a night. A lot of them enjoyed it on some level but I would say maybe 1 per 2 visits would orgasm. The clitoris will tell me if they are getting into it. If the clitoris is doing its thing I still may not bring her to orgasm. Sometimes it takes a while for me to understand the specific motions their body requires to get off. There is definitely an emotion part of it but I can typically find the ones who enjoy me on that level in some way.

One girl in Chicago opened my mind on the weekend the clubs were open during the lockdowns for a couple days. Not talking the hotel stuff, they actually opened for a couple days using the food serving exception TJ gave out until they were told to close again. I realized latina girls were more open to being pleased than sex workers I am familiar with in USA.

Three girls from Monterrey help me with the final change a few years ago. I got to really understand what it takes to make a girl from Mexico go wild. Not all of them but I got to understand how to filter the ones out that will enjoy sex with me. Each girl allowed me to take her to the next level but they liked me for different reasons. One of them continued to try to get back with me until she disappeared in Monterrey. Another one still reaches out to me and teases me as of 2025. This one really trips me out because as I see her social media she almost always has a girlfriend and obviously prefers girls. Last time I saw her in the club she swore she was sincere with me until she found out I was also banging her friend from Monterrey. There is some drama behind that story but those three locas were some of the best I have spent time with and each taught me different lessons about latinas.

At this point a good amount of the girls I pick to have sex with experience an orgasm. Most enjoy it on some level but I like said earlier it may take me a while to understand the motions they need to push them over the top. Wish every girl needed the exact same things but that is not the way it works in my experience.

Some just fake it really good. I appreciate that too. I will enjoy these ones from the club but do not see them otc.

[QUOTE=Zenduka1;2998566]Women don't naturally get physically drained from sex the way men do. Their bodies handle it better unless they're dealing with rough sex, alcohol, drugs, or just being worn out from lack of rest. Mentally, though? That's a different story. The stigma around prostitution, the judgment from society, even from us mongers weighs on them hard and messes with their heads.

That's why it's so rare for a working girl to truly enjoy sex on the job. But (and this is a big but), if a ton of conditions line up just right (way too many to list) they can actually orgasm with a client. I've seen it happen, more than once. And I'm talking real orgasms, not just the usual fake thrusts, moans or wetness. We're talking clear physical signs of contractions, involuntary reactions, the whole deal. Trust me, I've been around long enough to know the difference.

Men, on the other hand? Orgasms do take a toll on us physically. And that effect only gets worse as we get older.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hadez;2999071]Wish every girl needed the exact same things but that is not the way it works in my experience.[/QUOTE]100% correct statement.

We are dealing with human emotion and its triggers, which is as diverse and numerous, a thousand ways and more. There is no formula. To me, I don't even look to satisfy my putas but myself. I do pick those who pass my criteria. Furthermore, I am confident, I am nice, I am playful, I am clean, I tip, and I know how not to press the wrong buttons of their emotions. The rest is up to them. 99% of the time I get very good sessions, which was not the case when I started this hobby a decade ago. Today, every once in a blue moon I get that gem of a woman, who happens to let go and rich ecstasy -- good for her.

Went to HK Tuesday afternoon 1 PM with wingman Rabo Verde whom I had not seen a while. He had dental appointment besides a host of health problems and back pain. We have been going to Tijuana for 25 years or so when he was in better health.

Talents were weak in the afternoon as expected. Strippers just did not look and feel glammy. Sat in HK's football booth watching sports, drinking, ogling hot girls and strippers on stage. Life is good enough with just that. A few wingmen showed up. We have known each other a few years, sharing fun in Tijuana and problems at work and home. Felt good to hang out with wingmen.

Walked around, gave propinas to hot girls, squeezed bobs, groped crotches, tried to kiss their mouths. Zare in Chavelas was beautiful, nice, trim, responded, kissed me back, a good sign. To me kissing is loving. Sex without kissing is just plugging a hole, not real sex, not worth the effort.

Invited Zare to HK to drink with wingmen but she had to go to manager for permission. Mesero said she was a noob, had to sit in Chavelas 1 hour or I had to buy her 6 drinks in HK, WTF? Took her to a dark booth in Chavelas, bought her a $11 drink. Kissed her mouth, sucked on her softest lips, squeezed her natural A cups, groped her moist crotch. She kissed back but said kissing in the room only. She felt soft and sexy all over, had a pregnancy prevention implant under her left arm, said from Culiacan, Sinaloa, just started working in Chavelas this week, denied she had any BFs or kids, gave me her tel for vacaciones in Mazatlan.

She was groping my dick while I groped her moist crotch, sucked on her soft lips. My dick was growing in the presence of a hot, sexy girl. Her breath was not clean and fresh but I really wanted to bag this nice, clean girl in bed. She wanted $150 half hour and $200 an hour. I faked shock, offered $100 but she did not bite, walked off in a huff. In retrospect, she would have been a bad session in bed.

Went out to the alley, checked on street girls. Picked up a spinner and went in hotel Mini for 600 pesos toda sin ropa. She was very nice and accommodating, offered full access, got wet and moaned softly as I toyed with her clit and her G spot. She spread her legs. I screwed her tight pussy hard for half hour straight but could not pop, had to give up. It was still probably more satisfying than a session with a stuck up, restrictive and expensive HK girl. I would have wasted $150 on Zare.

[QUOTE=Hadez;2998279]The enjoying sex part is tricky for girls. Very few girls have a sex drive that can allow her to keep up with her work. The ones who actually have a sex drive that can keep up with their work may be diagnosed as flawed by a psychiatrists. I think those locas are a magnificent goddess.

Point for me, I try to be understanding if every sex moment is not as good as other moments with the same girl. As long as they doing what is needed for me, I accept what they can give. Recently with one loca the evening was magical sex, straight loca elite sexo. She was sucking everything on my body, wanting me to choke her, spank her and do all kinds of wild stuff. Then in the morning it was much more calm. She has told me she enjoys sex much more at night than morning but she will still gives me what I need in the morning. That is a good loca imo.
[/QUOTE]By enjoying it, I meant that they actually want to have sex with you, or, at the very least, don't mind. Women don't get the same thing out of sex as men, and some women cannot even have an orgasm during straight sex. Whereas men are programmed to receive both a physical and a psychological reward from the sex itself, a woman's reward is what she receives in return for the sex, whether it be money, a relationship, love, etc. – even if the sex itself is satisfying. A woman who receives nothing in return for sex will generally just feel used and not be satisfied from a mental standpoint. Maybe there are some exceptions, but for the most part, women are hard-wired to want something in return for sex. Their enjoyment is secondary to this need.

As for me, I don't worry about pleasing the woman. You can't figure that shit out no matter how hard you try. It's not like they are going to actually tell you what you like. Most of the time they don't even know themselves. I just do what I like and hope they like it too.

[QUOTE=Zenduka1;2998566]......That's why it's so rare for a working girl to truly enjoy sex on the job......[/QUOTE]You need to go to Brazil.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2999502]You need to go to Brazil.[/QUOTE]Been to Brazil, Sao Paolo to be specific. It was good no question, but some of us simply don't have the most precious commodity which is time. I don't have eight luxury cars in my garage, but money is less of a constraint for me than time. Losing 15-18 hours with connecting flights getting somewhere and the same getting back is simply untenable for some of us.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2999502]You need to go to Brazil.[/QUOTE]Exactly.

That line alone really shows how weak the talent is in Tijuana.

Brazilians girls love to fuck and it's part of their 3 FS (Food, Fucking and Football).

I talk to some of my Brazilians girls on a weekly basis and they are always down to fuck, video and BBFS.

Had a girl just recently ask me to fly her out to that states. No pay, she just wanted to have a little vacation around my state and we could fuck as much as I wanted.

The Tijuana girls just don't have that same energy to make it worth my time and money.

Tijuana is good for someone who only knows American strips clubs.

It's so bad and outdated when compared to Brazil and how they operate over there.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2999502]You need to go to Brazil.[/QUOTE]Any cheap flights to Brazil?

I think we on the same page as much as two people can be.

This part had me laughing so hard. Girls rarely give me feedback about sex. Even if I do get them to say something it is not specific.

On one occasion one of my favorite Monterrey girls gave me feed back. She claimed I did not notice she had an orgasm LOL. I had to tell her some girls want me to stop. Some want me to keep going. She needs to tell me which she is. She is the type who wants me to stop but not for physical reasons. She wants to orgasm and then be held. Like all girls they want us to have super powers and read their mind to know what they want.

[QUOTE=HKMonger;2999254]
As for me, I don't worry about pleasing the woman. You can't figure that shit out no matter how hard you try. It's not like they are going to actually tell you what you like. Most of the time they don't even know themselves. I just do what I like and hope they like it too.[/QUOTE]