Angeles City

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2049686]Hey guys,

Great forum and info. Have read back many months and it seems to confirm that AC is the place for me next month as I plan a vacation. I'm thinking I'll splurge a little and stay at ABC hotel, although Score Birds sounds interesting. I like the idea of a nice hotel with a pool and an upscale bar where I can meet girls. I'm a tall, fit, good looking white guy and I'm thinking my first efforts would be picking up regular girls and / or freelancers at the hotel bar, or regular clubs (High Society? I've also had a lot of success with Tinder here in LA and it sounds like that might be another option. I do enjoy connecting a little with a girl first before we get it on. If that fails then I'll barfine a girl and take her back to my hotel for a couple hours or maybe the night if she's great. I think 2 hours with a girl would be my ideal. Is that considered short time?

During the day. Hang at the pool, wander around the city, eat, smile at some girls, and see what happens. Take a nap, then at night maybe hit some of the bars, have some sex, repeat for 7 days. Money is not a huge object. I'm thinking of splurging a little on the trip. Does this sound like a reasonable plan of attack? What percentage of girls will jump on bareback? Seems like quite a few in the Philippines but maybe I'm misreading the situation. Really looking forward to this trip.[/QUOTE]AC is a redlight district and I think you are going there for the wrong reasons. Don't get me wrong you can still find good girls in angeles but I believe you will have a better chances in Manila.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2049752]AC is a redlight district and I think you are going there for the wrong reasons. Don't get me wrong you can still find good girls in angeles but I believe you will have a better chances in Manila.[/QUOTE]If your quest is to bed semi-pros to "normal" ladies then Bro is probably right. However, freelancers abound during the weekend. At Aqua Club at ABC, and of course at High Society pretty much every night. In addition, I'm guessing the two new clubs to be located in the building now being constructed jut before the beginning of Walking Street might also prove likely sources. The infinity pool at Aqua is quite nice and the ladies seem to love it, together with the bar itself.

GE.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2049686]

During the day. Hang at the pool, wander around the city, eat, smile at some girls, and see what happens. Take a nap, then at night maybe hit some of the bars, have some sex, repeat for 7 days. Money is not a huge object. I'm thinking of splurging a little on the trip. Does this sound like a reasonable plan of attack? What percentage of girls will jump on bareback? Seems like quite a few in the Philippines but maybe I'm misreading the situation. Really looking forward to this trip.[/QUOTE]AC is loads of fun and the girls are fun too. Go to the bars and just have fun. Take one, two, three girls a time, each day live out a new fantasy. No need to try too hard to pickup regular girls. Why bother?

If you like sex, then a bar girl and enthusiastic freelancer is going to be a lot more fun that a regular girl that still has hangups about sex. Maybe do some mix and match, a bargirl, then a regular girl.

Regular girls will have jobs and arrangements that might not fit in with your holiday plans.

Regular girls around AC know about the sex tourist market and have a finely honed radar. There are lots of regular girls who freelance.

Maybe you could do a few days in Manila and a few days in AC, then report back.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2049850]AC is loads of fun and the girls are fun too. Go to the bars and just have fun. Take one, two, three girls a time, each day live out a new fantasy. No need to try too hard to pickup regular girls. Why bother?

If you like sex, then a bar girl and enthusiastic freelancer is going to be a lot more fun that a regular girl that still has hangups about sex. Maybe do some mix and match, a bargirl, then a regular girl.

Regular girls will have jobs and arrangements that might not fit in with your holiday plans.

Regular girls around AC know about the sex tourist market and have a finely honed radar. There are lots of regular girls who freelance.

Maybe you could do a few days in Manila and a few days in AC, then report back.

BD.[/QUOTE]The Tall Man just got into my room here at Score Birds, nice place, in my room right now and service is good and pool is clean and getting ready to hit walking street tonight.

Thanks to all who have posted. I will spend 3 days here then head back to Makati Burgoes street, I have been staying at the Makati Palace hotel for the past week and a half and will return.

Be safe and time to party!

TTN.

Oh yes, daily sex is on the menu for sure, no matter where it comes from. Trying my hand at semi-pros and civilians was more of a side effort or daytime activity. My point is that I kind of wanted to treat it like a regular vacation in the way I meet girls. Paying for a good time from a pro is not a problem. And to the gent who said two at a time, I like where your head is at.

I did consider going to Manila first for a few days but I started to think I'd rather just stay in one spot and relax and learn the ropes rather than have to travel. But that's a possibility. Thanks for the feedback.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2049767]If your quest is to bed semi-pros to "normal" ladies then Bro is probably right. However, freelancers abound during the weekend. At Aqua Club at ABC, and of course at High Society pretty much every night. In addition, I'm guessing the two new clubs to be located in the building now being constructed jut before the beginning of Walking Street might also prove likely sources. The infinity pool at Aqua is quite nice and the ladies seem to love it, together with the bar itself.

GE.[/QUOTE]

How does ws Angeles compare to pattaya? Is cebu the bigger sex destination?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2050710]How does ws Angeles compare to pattaya? Is cebu the bigger sex destination?[/QUOTE]As my friend explained it to me before my first time going, it is like Pattaya but 1/50th of the size. As far as Cebu being a sex destination, guys that go there meet chicks online for the most part.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2050725]As my friend explained it to me before my first time going, it is like Pattaya but 1/50th of the size. As far as Cebu being a sex destination, guys that go there meet chicks online for the most part.[/QUOTE]1/50th of the girl or the city is 1/50th of the size? Are the girls in Angeles young? I have heard they are old.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2050899]1/50th of the girl or the city is 1/50th of the size? Are the girls in Angeles young? I have heard they are old.[/QUOTE]I don't get into ages, but according to google maps you can walk from High Society on Fields to Det 5 on Perimeter in 18 minutes, whereas it would take you 2 hours and 23 minutes to walk from Naklua to Jomtien Beach in Pattaya. In each city these are the extremes of where you would be going.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2050899]1/50th of the girl or the city is 1/50th of the size? Are the girls in Angeles young? I have heard they are old.[/QUOTE]Hi Mr. MG.

I regularly monger in Angeles and Pattaya and go to both places twice a year. The area in Angeles called on Fields Avenue is only about 300 meters long and this is where the best gogo bars are located in addition to the infamous High Society Disco. It also is called Walking Street, and Pattaya has its own Walking Street also. You then have many bars and smaller gogos sporadically spread out from Atlantis go go bar (end of Walking Street) continuing on Fields Ave a bit more, and Fields becomes 21st street, then Don Juico Ave. For about 1. 5 km. There are also some side streets off of 21st Street and Fields Ave. (outside of Walking Street), which have small bars, a few massage places, etc. but, it is best not to wander into these side streets on your own at night just for safety precaution.

Pattaya has a huge Walking Street filled with many gogos, bars, discos etc. and you have many Sois, Alleys (small streets), Roads, going from North Pattaya continuing into Central Pattaya (largest or prime area of establishments) , then into South Pattaya. There are many long streets that go East to West such as Beach Road, Pattayasaisong Rd, Soi Buakhao, Pattaya 3rd road. All in all Pattaya City is about 4-5 km North to South and 2. 5 km east to west from Beach Road to the filled with massage places, bars, gogos, etc. So there are literally thousands of venues whereas AC is the short Walking Street area of a few hundred meters and then the outer area of Angeles which is primarily an extension of Fields Ave. I would say that in terms of geographic size, yes Pattaya is probably more like 25 times larger than Angeles.

As far as working girls, Pattaya is estimated to have close to 30 k-40 k working girls, massage girls, etc. Whereas AC probably will have 3-5 k working at any given idea (this is my best estimate as there are no real numbers documented).

The majority of women in the gogos, bars, establishments, street freelancers in Angeles City that we meet are mainly between early 20's to later 20's. In Pattaya, there are actually more older women working in the massage places, discos, and smaller type bars than you see in AC, but the majority are still in their 20s. In other words, age is not a concern in either cities are there are plenty of younger women to choose from in both places.

As far as my favorite out of the two, no comparison that the girls in AC give better service, are more GFE, and have better attitudes. The Thai women are just more business like, colder, and there are far more mongers in Pattaya for me to compete with there. In AC the ratio of girls to mongers in always heavily lopsided in my favor also. Lastly, prices for AC are usually almost half of what I pay in Pattaya unless you do Beach Road girls in Pattaya which I won't even consider as you don't know if you are getting a ladyboy or real girl. Pattaya does have better looking girls in the GoGo Bars and has the advantage in the looks category but you will have to pay way more than in AC for these girls. But, Pattaya is just monger Disneyland on steroids due to the sheer mass of venues, working girls, action, etc. So that is why I continue to enjoy both. Do yourself a favor, and do not miss out on either destination, try AC for half your trip and Pattaya for the other half and then decide which destination has the better girls as numbers really don't matter (having plenty of girls in both destinations ). Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2050939]As far as working girls, Pattaya is estimated to have close to 30 k-40 k working girls, massage girls, etc. Whereas AC probably will have 3-5 k working at any given idea (this is my best estimate as there are no real numbers documented).


As far as my favorite out of the two, no comparison that the girls in AC give better service, are more GFE, and have better attitudes. The Thai women are just more business like, colder, and there are far more mongers in Pattaya for me to compete with there. In AC the ratio of girls to mongers in always heavily lopsided in my favor also. Lastly, prices for AC are usually almost half of what I pay in Pattaya unless you do Beach Road girls in Pattaya which I won't even consider as you don't know if you are getting a ladyboy or real girl. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your excellent and helpful post. There have been quite a few good posts recently, that serve as good basic primers for the mongers who haven't been there. I was in Pattaya in early December, and so I found your comparison, quite helpful.

A few questions to the forum though: Isn't part of the GFE the result of so many Filipinos being able to converse in English? The Thai girls who understand English the best were the ones who came off as well-experienced Pros, as I had been warned. Also, what is the scene like for AC street girls and are the girls discounted as is the case on Beach Road? In Thailand, I soon found I liked getting things off the street: food, supplies, girls, Kamagra, everything. Someone on the Thailand forum said that same thing once, and I thought that was risky, but soon found that is how I liked to do things as well. Gogos didn't appeal to me much, though I did like Soi 6 and the Windmill was a hoot! Something I experienced in the Land of Smiles and I noticed again recently, in the Dominican Republic is that the best service was always at the lower end of the price range for me. Maybe its been dumb luck on my part, or maybe I am good at connecting with the motivated provider. I'd like to hear some other mongers take on the stray pussy cats on the street in AC.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2050939]Hi Mr. MG.

I regularly monger in Angeles and Pattaya and go to both places twice a year. The area in Angeles called on Fields Avenue is only about 300 meters long and this is where the best gogo bars are located in addition to the infamous High Society Disco. It also is called Walking Street, and Pattaya has its own Walking Street also. You then have many bars and smaller gogos sporadically spread out from Atlantis go go bar (end of Walking Street) continuing on Fields Ave a bit more, and Fields becomes 21st street, then Don Juico Ave. For about 1. 5 km. There are also some side streets off of 21st Street and Fields Ave. (outside of Walking Street), which have small bars, a few massage places, etc. but, it is best not to wander into these side streets on your own at night just for safety precaution.

Pattaya has a huge Walking Street filled with many gogos, bars, discos etc. and you have many Sois, Alleys (small streets), Roads, going from North Pattaya continuing into Central Pattaya (largest or prime area of establishments) , then into South Pattaya. There are many long streets that go East to West such as Beach Road, Pattayasaisong Rd, Soi Buakhao, Pattaya 3rd road. All in all Pattaya City is about 4-5 km North to South and 2. 5 km east to west from Beach Road to the filled with massage places, bars, gogos, etc. So there are literally thousands of venues whereas AC is the short Walking Street area of a few hundred meters and then the outer area of Angeles which is primarily an extension of Fields Ave. I would say that in terms of geographic size, yes Pattaya is probably more like 25 times larger than Angeles.

As far as working girls, Pattaya is estimated to have close to 30 k-40 k working girls, massage girls, etc. Whereas AC probably will have 3-5 k working at any given idea (this is my best estimate as there are no real numbers documented).

The majority of women in the gogos, bars, establishments, street freelancers in Angeles City that we meet are mainly between early 20's to later 20's. In Pattaya, there are actually more older women working in the massage places, discos, and smaller type bars than you see in AC, but the majority are still in their 20s. In other words, age is not a concern in either cities are there are plenty of younger women to choose from in both places.

As far as my favorite out of the two, no comparison that the girls in AC give better service, are more GFE, and have better attitudes. The Thai women are just more business like, colder, and there are far more mongers in Pattaya for me to compete with there. In AC the ratio of girls to mongers in always heavily lopsided in my favor also. Lastly, prices for AC are usually almost half of what I pay in Pattaya unless you do Beach Road girls in Pattaya which I won't even consider as you don't know if you are getting a ladyboy or real girl. Pattaya does have better looking girls in the GoGo Bars and has the advantage in the looks category but you will have to pay way more than in AC for these girls. But, Pattaya is just monger Disneyland on steroids due to the sheer mass of venues, working girls, action, etc. So that is why I continue to enjoy both. Do yourself a favor, and do not miss out on either destination, try AC for half your trip and Pattaya for the other half and then decide which destination has the better girls as numbers really don't matter (having plenty of girls in both destinations ). Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Great objective review of both destinations StudBucket. I have never been to Pattaya and have little desire to do so other than a curiosity. With only 3 days in AC under my belt I am certainly in no position to comment only that I am very glad that I visited AC but frankly unless I am traveling with some buddies I have no reason to return but only because I spend much of my time mongering in Mexico and South America, Medellin Colombia to be exact.

BUT all in all I meet some great girls at Crystal and Atlantis and another 2 bars which names escape me. I stayed at Score Birds hotel. I am now back in Makati staying right on Burgos Street and last night enjoy a 3-day newly fresh 22 year old that I pulled out of Kojax, wow in beauty and with a heart of gold to boot, its girls like this that you and I need to be careful with falling in love with, that fresh and truly sweet kind and honesty with a body ohhhhhhhhh maybe I will return tonight.

TTM.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2050979]Great objective review of both destinations StudBucket. I have never been to Pattaya and have little desire to do so other than a curiosity. With only 3 days in AC under my belt I am certainly in no position to comment only that I am very glad that I visited AC but frankly unless I am traveling with some buddies I have no reason to return but only because I spend much of my time mongering in Mexico and South America, Medellin Colombia to be exact.

BUT all in all I meet some great girls at Crystal and Atlantis and another 2 bars which names escape me. I stayed at Score Birds hotel. I am now back in Makati staying right on Burgos Street and last night enjoy a 3-day newly fresh 22 year old that I pulled out of Kojax, wow in beauty and with a heart of gold to boot, its girls like this that you and I need to be careful with falling in love with, that fresh and truly sweet kind and honesty with a body ohhhhhhhhh maybe I will return tonight.

TTM.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the compliment on the post, Tall Man. I am glad to see that you had a good time in AC and that Makati (Burgos St. Which I have been to many times) has also done you well. I really do also enjoy mongering in Latin America, but my favorite destinations are Panama City and Jaco Beach. I tried Medellin once before, and although a nice city, I did not find one great place comparable to Habano's in Panama City that had the sheer volume of hot Colombian girls in 1 locale. I just visited Panama and Jaco Beach, Costa Rica not too long ago and if you like hot Latin Women these 2 places rock. Jaco Beach has the bar at the Hotel Cocal which is really ground zero for mongering there but Habanos in Panama City is really a shit show. I cannot think of any single venue in any city I have mongered with the quality level of women, bar none. I am certainly going to give Medellin another shot soon. Don't give up on Asia yet and go again, it does grow on you, like it did for me. Happy Hunting.

Angeles City Trip report June 19th to 21st.

Preface Having returned last evening to Makati I now compose this report sitting here at Cafe Cubana on Burgos Street since the details of my trip to AC are fresh in my mind. I want to thank you members who answered my questions and sent me private messages so I express my gratitude to you. After hearing stories and experiences for literally many decades about AC I was glad to finally experience it albeit a shadow of its former infamous glory, so I have been told.

Transportation, A friend of mine set up his taxi driver guy and I paid 3,000 pesos each way and he slept in his taxi cab and I gifted him some beer and bar hoping in addition to this cost. Took 2. 5 hours getting there and 3 plus hour on the return just because of traffic. In the end I gained a trusted friend and would travel and use him again. He gave me many stories about all kinds of experiences during his 30 plus years driving a taxi driver in and around Manila and Angeles City.

Hotel, I stayed at Score Birds for 2 nights 3 days with no reservation. I paid as I recall 2,900 pesos night. The BAD (as other have reported) is the early morning 3 AM pounding music noise coming from next door is bothersome so if you're the type of person that needs silence to sleep this may not be the place for you. The ONLY other bad is the lack of hot water and water pressure in the shower.

Aside from these two negatives everything else is GREAT including the easy in and out for your girl guest, the pool and pool side bar, the exceptional friendly attitudes of all the hotel staff, room air conditioning, strong wifi, the food served 24/7, the beautiful rooms with great furnishings and lighting and the location is superb as your in the heart of the place to be. All is nothing short of perfect. Yes I will stay here again should I ever return to AC.

Just a general comment about the Filipinos is for the most part they speak English so it is refreshing to have conversations with the girls unlike my many mongering travels through all of Central and South America where my rudimentary Spanish leaves much to the liking. I appreciate this ability to be able to communicate with the girls as this makes it much more enjoyable as a trip in itself.

Bars, I visited about 15 of them in total including Atlantis, Viking, Crystal, Doll House, Lolipops to name just a few. Even if I saw nothing interesting upon my entry I still ordered a beer and sat for 20 minutes and observed. I did notice that in about half of the bars there was almost ZERO interest in the girls interacting with the customers in any meaningful way, boredom perhaps, maybe I am used to the bars in Tijuana Mexico where they actively want to connect with you by way of a nice smile and twinkling of the eyes or such but here nothing but plain bored faces.

As I am a one and done type of guy I bar fined a girl each of the two nights and the both of them from Atlantis. My experience was Atlantis had the prettiest and sweetest girls. I enjoyed sitting at the second floor balcony and looking at the pretty girls dancing and parading around, really the atmosphere is a lot of fun. Both nights I ended up, after checking other bars for a few hours, back at Atlantis and sat with my girls for hours on the balcony seat and danced and drank and truly enjoyed myself.

As I recall the bar fine in AC is about 3,000 pesos and I ended giving the girls about 2,500 pesos. None of them ask for any money but I assured them that I will tip according to their service and was not let down. Both were very sweet and fresh and the one was inexperienced as she was 20 with little experience (arrived one month before) and shown it throughout the night and extending into our hotel room. What a true sweet heart who BTW on her first day at the club a month ago, after going with a cheap ass Korean guy who after boom-boom left her without paying her a dime. Other bar girls both in AC and Makati have only shit to say about Korean guys and will not go with them. I hate mother-fuc**rs whatever the race treating these women like dirt. They are for the most part working to put food on the table and care for their kids and eking out an existence. Please treat them nice. I will never understand this but for you cheap ass Koreans I see your getting a well-deserved stigma in the PI.

On another topic, one of my concerns when I was planning this trip was the size of my package relative to the petite girls. Yes it is a real issue. As some of you members suggested I was sure to tell the girls while in the bar that I am larger than normal and a few out right but politely told me sorry but my pussy is very small, much respect for these girls being forthright.

In Makati, even despite my best efforts with foreplay and finger stretching with ample amounts of lubrication, with two girls that I bar-fined insertion was impossible, I would have literally torn them up, no shit and I treat every woman with respect and dignity so we found other methods. One of these girls that was too small I pulled out of Plan B and she is so sweet and such a delight to be with that I may bar fine her again. Go figure.

Had a great visit to AC and so glad I took the extra effort to visit and experience it. Again thanks to all you members who answered my questions and provided direction and suggestions which made my trip a good one. I recommend that anyone visiting the PI to visit AC and experience it yourself.

As I now conclude this post sitting here at Cafe Cubana, with the sun setting and the street walkers coming out parading back and forth Cafe Cubana, with many of the seats taken and girls negotiating with guys at the 3 tables directly around me, well I wonder where I will end up tonight as last night I bar fined a real sweet heart out of Kojax.

Be safe all.

TTM.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2051061]
As I recall the bar fine in AC is about 3,000 pesos and I ended giving the girls about 2,500 pesos. None of them ask for any money but I assured them that I will tip according to their service and was not let down. Both were very sweet and fresh and the one was inexperienced as she was 20 with little experience (arrived one month before) and shown it throughout the night and extending into our hotel room. What a true sweet heart who BTW on her first day at the club a month ago, after going with a cheap ass Korean guy who after boom-boom left her without paying her a dime. Other bar girls both in AC and Makati have only shit to say about Korean guys and will not go with them. I hate mother-fuc**rs whatever the race treating these women like dirt. They are for the most part working to put food on the table and care for their kids and eking out an existence. Please treat them nice. I will never understand this but for you cheap ass Koreans I see your getting a well-deserved stigma in the PI.[/QUOTE]It has been 5-6 years since my last trip to AC, but at that time the system was that the barfine also covered the girls service. So it was different from the system in Thailand. Has this system now changed since you paid both barfine and cash to the girl? This might explain the behavior of the Koreans. Back then a tip for the girls was expected to be 2-300 peso maybe. Anyway, systems change over time so maybe some of the experienced members of this forum can update us?