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[QUOTE=Adindas;2575955]This is how an Athlete looks like nowadays. Beeing an athlete firm body, fit is defenitely not to be questioned.

Does anyone one here on ISG think that Alic@ Schm1dt is not a hot stunner?? She has been offered for a shooting with playboy she refused[/QUOTE]She looks older than 22/23 and seems to have big tits for a fit athlete, but I think I could have gone with her at Sharks or Oase, even for 150/60, when girls seen don t worth 50, when I hear about 150/30 asked, just incredible when I saw looks and couldn't find only 1 attractive woman type. I stayed with my full balls and no problem. Good car test in Germany.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2575955]This is how an Athlete looks like nowadays. Beeing an athlete firm body, fit is defenitely not to be questioned.

Does anyone one here on ISG think that Alic@ Schm1dt is not a hot stunner?? She has been offered for a shooting with playboy she refused[/QUOTE]She's hot, and totally my type. Definitely the type that I "release funds" for. One of my regular Romanian super hotties in Spain is out of a similar mold (see below). She looks great with her feet upon my shoulders LOL!

Given the ongoing requirement for quarantine for US visitors, I ditched my plans for London and am now refocusing on Germany for late summer. Traded my London tix for Frankfurt late August. I have been to Frankfurt FKKs many times before, including Sharks and Oase, and I like them both. My only complaint is that the girls are a little too hardened and older than my taste. I didn't like Palace or Mainhattan much at all. I've never been to World, but the girls there sound more siliconized and hardened than Oase. I plan to hit Oase / Sharks of course, but hoping that something in the Dusseldorf / Cologne area will be open and worthwhile also. I've been to Samya several times and liked that.

Optimally, I would like an FKK club with fresher younger natural girls, not hardened sex robots with silis, preferably ones that are reachable via public transportation plus Uber. Would also like some outside relaxation area, like the pool etc. at Oase, since the weather should be very pleasant at that time of year. Also, I don't want the hassle of renting a car.

In reading old posts, I've heard a few names mentioned positively in Dusseldorf: Acapulco Gold, Living Room, Dolce Vita, and Magnum. Read fairly negative reviews of Oceans. In Cologne, I've also read some positive comments of Mondial. I have heard that Acapulco Velbert and Finca Erotica Dierdorf usually have fresher younger girls, but those might be tough to visit via public transportation. I haven't been to any of these particular clubs, and I realize COVID has changed everything, so the older posts are of limited value right now. Any senior members have suggestions for new clubs to try in the neighborhood of Cologne or Dusseldorf?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2575800]Besides all your analysis, FKK girls won't care much about your educated opinion on inflation, when FKK girls increase prices, their inflation decision on our ass will occur based on they want to increase price LOL! It is implemented by special hidden economical theory of this great empire nation called Romania! They increase price because they increase price based on their feeling of they feel like it LOL!

So all these numbers and datas you bring in won't much front of FKK girls because most of them do not even know simple math, they just know how to count money LOL! Oh they know that 50 euro notes baby, oh they know that, so it is like Judo, you use that 50 euro on your hand as your advantage and take these girls down LOL!

50 Euro and 100 Euro are the only numbers they can register like cash register LOL! Consider FKK girls as some kind of organic cash register with 3 holes, where you can put your dick in one or few of those holes depending on how many 50 euro or 100 euro you put inside LOL!

FKK girls, the organic cash register with 3 holes, which can register 50 euro or 100 euro currencies LOL! They accept 10 or 20 euro notes, but these organic cash register don't like small notes LOL![/QUOTE]That's why the post was made here, directed at mongers, not the girls.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2575800]Besides all your analysis, FKK girls won't care much about your educated opinion on inflation, when FKK girls increase prices, their inflation decision on our ass will occur based on they want to increase price LOL! It is implemented by special hidden economical theory of this great empire nation called Romania! They increase price because they increase price based on their feeling of they feel like it LOL!

So all these numbers and datas you bring in won't much front of FKK girls because most of them do not even know simple math, they just know how to count money LOL! Oh they know that 50 euro notes baby, oh they know that, so it is like Judo, you use that 50 euro on your hand as your advantage and take these girls down LOL!

50 Euro and 100 Euro are the only numbers they can register like cash register LOL! Consider FKK girls as some kind of organic cash register with 3 holes, where you can put your dick in one or few of those holes depending on how many 50 euro or 100 euro you put inside LOL!

FKK girls, the organic cash register with 3 holes, which can register 50 euro or 100 euro currencies LOL! They accept 10 or 20 euro notes, but these organic cash register don't like small notes LOL![/QUOTE]That's why the post was made here, directed towards mongers, not the girls.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2576018]Given the ongoing requirement for quarantine for US visitors, I ditched my plans for London and am now refocusing on Germany for late summer. Traded my London tix for Frankfurt late August. I have been to Frankfurt FKKs many times before, including Sharks and Oase, and I like them both. My only complaint is that the girls are a little too hardened and older than my taste. I didn't like Palace or Mainhattan much at all. I've never been to World, but the girls there sound more siliconized and hardened than Oase. I plan to hit Oase / Sharks of course, but hoping that something in the Dusseldorf / Cologne area will be open and worthwhile also. I've been to Samya several times and liked that.

Optimally, I would like an FKK club with fresher younger natural girls, not hardened sex robots with silis, preferably ones that are reachable via public transportation plus Uber. Would also like some outside relaxation area, like the pool etc. at Oase, since the weather should be very pleasant at that time of year. Also, I don't want the hassle of renting a car.

In reading old posts, I've heard a few names mentioned positively in Dusseldorf: Acapulco Gold, Living Room, Dolce Vita, and Magnum. Read fairly negative reviews of Oceans. In Cologne, I've also read some positive comments of Mondial. I have heard that Acapulco Velbert and Finca Erotica Dierdorf usually have fresher younger girls, but those might be tough to visit via public transportation. I haven't been to any of these particular clubs, and I realize COVID has changed everything, so the older posts are of limited value right now. Any senior members have suggestions for new clubs to try in the neighborhood of Cologne or Dusseldorf?[/QUOTE]Sounds like you are indeed a veteran yourself. If all has changed and perhaps you are correct, I think most of the senior brethren would say the same, all to be determined still. And the other question is are they willing to share as it seems the locals are hiding their secrets and the ISG senior members here only share 2018 or prior names so is this a case of members now taking information and not giving back?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2575931]Faulty math? Let's see. 100 euros per hour X 8 hours a day X 5 days a week X 4 weeks a month X 12 months a year = 192,000 euros a year. [B]You can challenge certain assumptions[/B], but you can't call the math faulty, unless of course you can't do basic arithmetic. The purpose is to show the power of 50 euros per 30 minutes

And they should be able to earn that money free and clear without having to pay the ones who own and run the facility anything?

You're going on about how the girls deserve more, and you have it within you to pay more (nobody is stopping you), but then you say you don't want to pay more! Which is it?[/QUOTE]1. Okay, fine arithmetic, bad applied math. The latter is the more relevant point, not that you can add and multiply. We can also extrapolate a stripper's income of a $20 lap dance to a 3 minute song to 20 songs per hour times 8 hours per day times 5 days per week times 52 weeks per year and you would get an $832,000 annual income. But obviously that is quite an irrelevant point to make. Much the same as the hypothetical 192,000 euro FKK hooker.

2. No, but the point was to show that revenue and wage are two different things. Wages don't account for cost of operations so extrapolating 50 e per half hour to 40 hour weeks at 48 weeks a year and correlating it to a 100/ HR normal wage is faulty logic. But at the same time, not our place to say that someone makes x dollars per hour, that is plenty for them. The market dictates their worth.

3. Not a moral discussion for me. Just pointing out that the inflation logic is sound when justifying a certain rate increase of a reasonable number. I love paying only 50 e per happy hour and would love to continue to pay this rate. But I don't need my self interest to interfere with logical debates and make faulty logical arguments to justify that self interest. I can just say, "I like getting pussy for only 50 e".

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2576033]That's why the post was made here, directed at mongers, not the girls.[/QUOTE]I would say FKK industry has been reasonable on pricing and also girls with upsell has been reasonable with pricing as well.

Now, I read sometimes on forum that some mongers has been asked 300 euro or even 400 euro for one hour at FKK and if those reports were true, that is out of order, but I never have such experience. It usually 100 Euro they include DFK, and for 150 euro it is with rimjob and once in a very while 200 euro Ho comes up, but then it is up to me to give in or not, those time I did, it was worth it though as performance was there.

I am not in FKK to bargain or save 50 euro and those times I did, I regret it! Like in globe rimjob is 100 chf, and I turned that down once and I still regret that I did that! It is not good getting ripped off, but it is not good to save extra 50 or 100 while mongering as usually payoff is great! My opinion!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2576157]I would say FKK industry has been reasonable on pricing and also girls with upsell has been reasonable with pricing as well.

Now, I read sometimes on forum that some mongers has been asked 300 euro or even 400 euro for one hour at FKK and if those reports were true, that is out of order, but I never have such experience. It usually 100 Euro they include DFK, and for 150 euro it is with rimjob and once in a very while 200 euro Ho comes up, but then it is up to me to give in or not, those time I did, it was worth it though as performance was there.

I am not in FKK to bargain or save 50 euro and those times I did, I regret it! Like in globe rimjob is 100 chf, and I turned that down once and I still regret that I did that! It is not good getting ripped off, but it is not good to save extra 50 or 100 while mongering as usually payoff is great! My opinion![/QUOTE]Agreed 100%.

It's a luxury hobby. I'm okay with paying for the premium services. Why go to a nice restaurant and order the cheapest item on the menu? I'm not going to a restaurant with $50 average entree and then order the $30 chicken pasta just to get the best bargain item on the menu. If I'm paying the premium, I want the good stuff. (Some Oase, Some Sharks Former GT, Welcum).

At the same time, why get ripped off and buy that overpriced $100 Lobster + Filet when the Lobster is probably dry and bland while the steak is probably overcooked and cold. (Palace, Mainhattan, Globe, Oceans, Some Sharks, Some Oase).

Now if there was a happy hour $5 appetizer, I'm ordering 3 appetizers. (Acapulco / Prime, Finca, Great Palace / Penelope).

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2576018]Given the ongoing requirement for quarantine for US visitors, I ditched my plans for London and am now refocusing on Germany for late summer. Traded my London tix for Frankfurt late August. I have been to Frankfurt FKKs many times before, including Sharks and Oase, and I like them both. My only complaint is that the girls are a little too hardened and older than my taste. I didn't like Palace or Mainhattan much at all. I've never been to World, but the girls there sound more siliconized and hardened than Oase. I plan to hit Oase / Sharks of course, but hoping that something in the Dusseldorf / Cologne area will be open and worthwhile also. I've been to Samya several times and liked that.

Optimally, I would like an FKK club with fresher younger natural girls, not hardened sex robots with silis, preferably ones that are reachable via public transportation plus Uber. Would also like some outside relaxation area, like the pool etc. at Oase, since the weather should be very pleasant at that time of year. Also, I don't want the hassle of renting a car.

In reading old posts, I've heard a few names mentioned positively in Dusseldorf: Acapulco Gold, Living Room, Dolce Vita, and Magnum. Read fairly negative reviews of Oceans. In Cologne, I've also read some positive comments of Mondial. I have heard that Acapulco Velbert and Finca Erotica Dierdorf usually have fresher younger girls, but those might be tough to visit via public transportation. I haven't been to any of these particular clubs, and I realize COVID has changed everything, so the older posts are of limited value right now. Any senior members have suggestions for new clubs to try in the neighborhood of Cologne or Dusseldorf?[/QUOTE]If you like natural fresh girls, I would recommend Living room, and arguably Golden time, it is same owner. Both club has natural, less tattoo girls. But it was not my level of line up for me. GT and LR are same owner.

In Duss, the best is to go to GT, then stay there till 3 pm or 4 pm to see almost full line up, if it is not good, get discount ticket to Living room at the reception of GT and head to Living room, be there by 5 pm ish, then if that does not serve you, goto oceans at 8 pm for night shift of oceans. GT and LR is day shift club and oceans is big time night shift club, so it works out, but whatever you do, do not goto oceans before 5 pm unless you like empty warehouse with two saunas and bar inside LOL!

However, that said, I read a rumor that Oceans bought golden time, so I do not know how the scene is going to be now! Oceans tend to be more upsell club and LR and GT is no upsell, still get BBBJ without any negotiation for 50 euro 30 min session, at least it was before pandemic. Since oceans may bought GT, it is expected to change if the rumor is true.

Happy hunting to you!

Hardened, that is the word for normal women in 30's or women being in FKK for more than one or two years.

Normal women become hardened after let say around age 25, somehow they become so arrogant with princess syndrome at full swing and somehow they are very hardened individual!

Now in FKK or escort, being in the business of such tough and rough situation, prostitutes become hardened fast to the extent beyond any sign of human being! I met few, but some hardened women mostly in escort here as tokyo is big city, those are real Ho! Met two that I can recall, one I kicked out middle of session! But for FKK, I must say, even they become hardened, they are reasonable being I would say, it is hard negotiation before the session begins. Normally, they soften up with their price range after they notice you are vet and not softy type, but man, sometimes I hate this feeling that I have to negotiate again toward the end of FKK day like I am about to go back to hotel and see this stunner walks in, then I want to go with her, but I sometimes feel I do not want to use my nerve to negotiate again after long good day at FKK, but I do anyways LOL! But for this I like globe! At least management did the negotiation in exchange for higher rate.

Yeah hardened is the word to describe some of those women both pro and non pro. Sour part of life makes these women hardened and they are no longer reasonable human being, but emotional nightmare at full swing for their own destruction as well as people around them LOL! Avalanche people LOL!

I hate hardened women!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2576001]She's hot, and totally my type. Definitely the type that I "release funds" for. One of my regular Romanian super hotties in Spain is out of a similar mold (see below). She looks great with her feet upon my shoulders LOL![/QUOTE]
I agree with the girl on the picture you have posted, the one I will pick up in the FKK or anywhere offering paid X.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2575987]She looks older than 22/23 and seems to have big tits for a fit athlete, but I think I could have gone with her at Sharks or Oase, even for 150/60, when girls seen don t worth 50, when I hear about 150/30 asked, just incredible when I saw looks and couldn't find only 1 attractive woman type. I stayed with my full balls and no problem. Good car test in Germany.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2575983]She definitely is a beauty with a guaranteed beautifully firm body. A few girls at FKKs who were ex dancers etc also had very athletic bodies -- plus most young women work out a lot nowadays. One that comes to mind was at Colosseum in Augsburg -- her name was Natasha and she had emerald green eyes and a dancer's physique.

Another beautiful stunner who is an athlete is the Italian (of Moroccan origin) 200 m sprinter Dali at Kaddar1.
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I willl agree with this

[QUOTE=Mr Ho;2575958]Yeah she is very much my type, but luckily I fucked same level girls in German FKK before LOL! Whatta wonderful world we live in LOL![/QUOTE]

I can now convince myself that I am not in the odd side when come to define stunner and the girl to pick up in FKKs or other places offering paid x. But in any case, you do not really care what other people think of the girl you have picked up. What you really need is the one you think good for you. It is your hard earning cash you are spending.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2575983]She definitely is a beauty with a guaranteed beautifully firm body. A few girls at FKKs who were ex dancers etc also had very athletic bodies -- plus most young women work out a lot nowadays. One that comes to mind was at Colosseum in Augsburg -- her name was Natasha and she had emerald green eyes and a dancer's physique.

Another beautiful stunner who is an athlete is the Italian (of Moroccan origin) 200 m sprinter Dali at Kaddar1.[/QUOTE]Italian Dorothea Wierer is a beauty and a real athlete.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2576255]I agree with the girl on the picture you have posted, the one I will pick up in the FKK or anywhere offering paid X. .[/QUOTE]Yeah, I like classic beauty taste and the athlete you posted is very much my type. I have seen odd thing in FKK where stunner like that ignored and some plastic monster girls straight out of horror surgery clinic is taken to room, but it is each their own and more guys like that easier for me to pick the real stunner like the photo you posted to the room and hey I have done that many many time since age 17 LOL! To another day of good mongering when the pandemic is over LOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2576153]1. Okay, fine arithmetic, bad applied math. The latter is the more relevant point, not that you can add and multiply. We can also extrapolate a stripper's income of a $20 lap dance to a 3 minute song to 20 songs per hour times 8 hours per day times 5 days per week times 52 weeks per year and you would get an $832,000 annual income. But obviously that is quite an irrelevant point to make. Much the same as the hypothetical 192,000 euro FKK hooker.

2. No, but the point was to show that revenue and wage are two different things. Wages don't account for cost of operations so extrapolating 50 e per half hour to 40 hour weeks at 48 weeks a year and correlating it to a 100/ HR normal wage is faulty logic. But at the same time, not our place to say that someone makes x dollars per hour, that is plenty for them. The market dictates their worth.[/QUOTE]I agree that is it is a mistake to assume that a WG will be 100 percent booked, which is what Cane's calculations seem to imply. But his final figure of 192.000 milestone could certainly be reached by some WGs without being 100 percent booked. Screening out clients that have whale potential, and hooking them with AO and "emotional connection". For some WGs, large percentage of earnings can come from outside-of-the-club relationships. No different than Lebron, Federer, Tiger, Ronaldo. Some of these names made more money from endorsements than the sport that actually made them famous.