Jakarta

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3006334]Despite many posts suggesting that BBFS is virtually guaranteed "by offering a tip" in the room during the session at venues like Classic and Travel, it is clear that vitually guaranteed should be taken as not guaranteed for "tampa condom". I appreciate the posters who reveal this fact as it gives a true representation of the uncertainty.

Now to the question, why can't it BBFS just be arranged before? IMHO this can and should be done in venues like Classic and Travel IF it is important to YOU. Google Translate can be your friend here. When you sit with the girl, rather than just immediately blurt out "no condom" to the girl, consider a more eased approach by having a discreet conversation. NOTE: If other girls or mamasan try to look in on your translation, politely shoo them away! First, start by translating the usual chit-chat. Nice to meet you. How old are you? Do you have any kids? You are very cute. I like your smile. Do a little blah blah and feel the vibe. Then ease into the topic. "I like romantic sex. Same as boyfriend and girlfriend. Do you like?" Then eventually get to the key point. "Can you be my special girlfriend and play with me no condom? If you are good girlfriend for me, I will give good tip. " Now she can react in 2 ways. She can say NO WAY, in which you can politely send her away by translating "Sorry, I want a special girlfriend experience. " OR she can possibly reply with "how much tip". When a girls asks "how much", it is music to my ears. Now the conversation is just numbers. Based on what others are claiming, start with 100 k. If she is one of the "BBFS virtually guaranteed with tip" girls described in so many posts, then she should enthusiatically say yes and that is the time to say "okay, deal" to confirm with the girl. If she acknowledges, then it is time to raise your hand for mamasan to pay. Now keep in mind the girl may not be happy with 100 k, so she could ask for something like 200 k or even more. Offer to meet in the middle with 150 k. If she refuses and demands 200 k, then ask yourself if you want to bail over 6 US Dollars or get fucked the way that you want to fuck with no uncertainty. Now you have negotiated up front an all-inclusive experience. There is no tip anymore. You have negotiated what is most important to you, so unless something else special happens in the room, what was a "tip for something special" is just now a fixed extra you give her at the end of the session. Lastly, once the deal is done, politely refuse to entertain any downgrading of the condition like "you cum outside" or the like.

As an aside, this is not just a hypothetical. I use variants of this approach in similar situations in Bangkok, where it is an order of magnitude more difficult to get reliable no-fuss BBFS. It absolutely does not guarantee success, but it helps me to avoid what would otherwise be failures from my POV. Feel free to take or leave this advice. Not minding the uncertainty of being forced to bag up, some would prefer to read the tea leaves or just inshallah. That is a perfectly legit strategy too! Enjoy Jakarta, AR.[/QUOTE]I am very good at doing all of this everywhere, except CLASSIC its set up offered unique challenges that has always cock blocked me.

The noise the darkness the smoke, I just can't think clearly, I believe you FUCKING nailed it.

Many thanks, I owe you a girl on my tab!!

When are you in Jakarta?

Can anyone suggest how to link to this to reports of distinction.

I rarely meet someone with better skills than myself, you Sir deserve a bow!!

You mention Bangkok, my BBFS success rate is extremely high at Nana, I would love to show you the ropes there 555.

Amadeuss bro, can you throw more light on this so we can learn from this and your knowledge, I didn't know about this one, so please be kind enough. How does one take precautions, I love the back door entry and want to be safe and protective at the same time. Terima kasih.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;3006358]And that happened because your penis wasn't hardened. The first time it encounters these deadly bacteria, it'll be seriously infected. But after a while, the skin there develops resistance, and you can stick your cock in any pussy and nothing will happen.

Now it's too late. At your age, there's a risk that it'll fall off if it gets infected again. Be very careful.[/QUOTE]

Sadly, we will miss each other.

[QUOTE=Pk099;3005621]Bro, I will be there 2nd week of June (16 to 20), if you there lets plan to meet up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3006334]Despite many posts suggesting that BBFS is virtually guaranteed "by offering a tip" in the room during the session at venues like Classic and Travel, it is clear that vitually guaranteed should be taken as not guaranteed for "tampa condom". I appreciate the posters who reveal this fact as it gives a true representation of the uncertainty.

Now to the question, why can't it just be arranged before? IMHO this can and should be done in venues like Classic and Travel IF it is important to YOU. Google Translate can be your friend here. When you sit with the girl, rather than just immediately blurt out "no condom" to the girl, consider a more eased approach by having a discreet conversation. NOTE: If other girls or mamasan try to look in on your translation, politely shoo them away! First, start by translating the usual chit-chat. Nice to meet you. How old are you? Do you have any kids? You are very cute. I like your smile. Do a little blah blah and feel the vibe. Then ease into the topic. "I like romantic sex. Same as boyfriend and girlfriend. Do you like?" Then eventually get to the key point. "Can you be my special girlfriend and play with me no condom? If you are good girlfriend for me, I will give good tip. " Now she can react in 2 ways. She can say NO WAY, in which you can politely send her away by translating "Sorry, I want a special girlfriend experience. " OR she can possibly reply with "how much tip". When a girls asks "how much", it is music to my ears..[/QUOTE]While I would never want to drive up prices, I'm pretty flexible with paying for extras, I cannot use a condom, so I feel paying 2 x the base rate is acceptable as a maximum.

That's not my starting offer but I don't feel that's "Overpaying" if it gets to that.

375000 is a huge tip on principle, not to me, but to her if she goes over that forget it. (nothing in there is that good looking).

100000 or 200000 is perfectly reasonable, she better be very damn fine for 300000 or 375000.

Thanks for sharing.

I also think this is why Gabacho's vibe approach is so effective.

It's less of a transaction and it's not leading with the wallet, which often leads to a transactional outcome. The ladies probably get very tired of getting "pre-screened" for condom and are just happy to have someone they vibe with and just go with the flow of what he wants to make him happy.

I am sure there are a large percentage of guys that read about BBFS in Jakarta and just start blurting out, "No condom. Tip?" to a lady they just met 5 seconds earlier. Of course this approach is going to lead to a lot of knockbacks. The ladies that might accept right away are highly transactional and will quote a high price to try to get as much as they can out of you. Those guys are in a weak negotiating position at that point. Even though the lady would have probably done it much cheaper if it wasn't made into a transaction from their first words. And they will probably get mechanical service because of it.

There are equal merits to Gabacho's and AR's approach. I agree with AR that discretion and subtleness is called for. And it goes a long way in a place like Jakarta. I am just doubtful many guys will have the patience for this approach and just revert to, "No condom. I will tip!

One other thought I would add to the conversation. If you take AR's approach, and she still says no, or she quotes a really high amount outside of what you consider reasonable.....Now you have talked to the lady for some amount of time. If you throw her back because of no condom, the mamasan may ask her what happened. (Again, because the mamasan wants her commission for writing the voucher). Or the other ladies at the couch might. And she WILL tell them exactly what you wanted because she lost some "face" with the extended conversation and not getting chosen. This could lead to a lecture about condom use from the mamasan, depending on the venue and the mama. And you might be "tagged" as a no condom guy. How do I know? Because it happened....to me. Several times. It's not fun having a mama bringing you a lady and then saying, "use condom. Ok?" in front of the lady.

The official policies of all these places are condom required, even though we know that isn't the case. But if you publicly reject / throw back a lady because of it, this is the other thing to consider.

If it happens in the room, it was hey, we vibed. Or, it happened. Or hey, he tipped a little more. This is a much different dynamic for the ladies than being associated with the guy that is going around asking every lady beforehand if she will do no condom for a tip.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;3006677]While I would never want to drive up prices, I'm pretty flexible with paying for extras, I cannot use a condom, so I feel paying 2 x the base rate is acceptable as a maximum.

That's not my starting offer but I don't feel that's "Overpaying" if it gets to that.

375000 is a huge tip on principle, not to me, but to her if she goes over that forget it. (nothing in there is that good looking).

100000 or 200000 is perfectly reasonable, she better be very damn fine for 300000 or 375000.

Thanks for sharing.[/QUOTE]

Had a great time with a very sweet 19 yo Astri found near the KFC in front of Lokasari Square. Said she'd had three babies and had a see-section scar to prove it but beyond that her body was awesome and still very tight. She happily complied (and enjoyed) every position I asked for without complaint and without condom. She finished way before I did, riding me like a schoolgirl. We may end up doing some karaoke with her friends sometime soon. Her suggestion, not mine. 300 k IDR to the mamasan and another 100 k to Astri for a well spent 400 k.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;3006705]I also think this is why Gabacho's vibe approach is so effective.

It's less of a transaction and it's not leading with the wallet, which often leads to a transactional outcome. The ladies probably get very tired of getting "pre-screened" for condom and are just happy to have someone they vibe with and just go with the flow of what he wants to make him happy.

I am sure there are a large percentage of guys that read about BBFS in Jakarta and just start blurting out, "No condom. Tip?" to a lady they just met 5 seconds earlier. Of course this approach is going to lead to a lot of knockbacks. The ladies that might accept right away are highly transactional and will quote a high price to try to get as much as they can out of you. Those guys are in a weak negotiating position at that point. Even though the lady would have probably done it much cheaper if it wasn't made into a transaction from their first words. And they will probably get mechanical service because of it.

There are equal merits to Gabacho's and AR's approach. I agree with AR that discretion and subtleness is called for. And it goes a long way in a place like Jakarta. I am just doubtful many guys will have the patience for this approach and just revert to, "No condom. I will tip!.[/QUOTE]Than having already paid for the room, and having her hand you the condom insisting you put it on or the session is over and what happens when you walk back out after 2 minutes in the room.

What does everyone think now, Does she not tell everyone what happened?

The ladies that might accept right away are highly transactional and will quote a high price to try to get as much as they can out of you. Those guys are in a weak negotiating position at that point. Even though the lady would have probably done it much cheaper if it wasn't made into a transaction from their first words. And they will probably get mechanical service because of it.

I think there are some serious flaws in the reasoning or lack thereof in this post.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;3006358]And that happened because your penis wasn't hardened. The first time it encounters these deadly bacteria, it'll be seriously infected. But after a while, the skin there develops resistance, and you can stick your cock in any pussy and nothing will happen.

Now it's too late. At your age, there's a risk that it'll fall off if it gets infected again. Be very careful.[/QUOTE]Wow, that's pretty insightful. I suppose the 3 STDs someone picked up in Jakarta from "civies" were just the hardening of the skin! Including a chancre I had a hard time diagnosing. At least I don't have warts like a couple of the street girls I know. Well, except maybe a small bump on my rear I can't figure out. And why are my lymph glands still swollen down there? It's really been a while and I thought those would go away.

[QUOTE=CurtisMack;3005988]Hey man I found your field reports while searching through the thread, and I definitely want to hear the rest! I like your style. I too like to splurge when I travel and have dealt with my share of responses from cheap charlies on this board haha. Especially looking forward to your reports from seeking and other experiences outside of establishments. Hoping you have more to share!

P.S. It's wild that people complain about you tipping 500 K what is that like 30 bucks?[/QUOTE]You'd be happier in Pattaya and would get better treatment there, as would a lot of you. I whole heartedly recommend Thailand because they appreciate that kind of thing more than Indos do.

Anyone know where you can get a 14-tablet 5 MG cialis strip for 800 rp. In Jakarta. Only apotik I checked was 1500 rp. . would like to stay away from a street vendor thanks.

No session I have ever been in that last 20 years has ever started the way you describe.

You would be well into the session at that point, after having both showered, some warmup on both sides, kissing, playing, caressing, etc and well into a BBBJ. It wouldn't be at the 2 minute mark. But perhaps your sessions go a lot differently than mine. It seems you perhaps can't enjoy those warmup aspects of it without knowing first? That is unfortunate for you.

You should be at least 10-15 minutes in by now. If you can't get what you want, you could extend the session by asking for a massage. You could ask for an extended BBBJ. You could spend some time getting her hornier with some DATY or fingering. You could offer the tip. There are countless other options available to get to your goal. If you can't get to your goal at that point or agree upon a tip for service, she would most likely take it as a win and I think very few would make a big deal about it.

You face a far greater chance of everyone knowing what you are asking for by asking for it in the bar, than having a shorter session in the room, leaving a bit earlier if necessary and just rolling the dice. In my experience this discussion is handled best if it is discreet and private, rather than in the bar. Especially if you are throwing back ladies after asking them if they will do it without a condom and getting a no. I don't think that will end well for most folks. It's not the format the bars are setup for.

But hey. You do you man. I wish you the best and tried to advise you as best I could.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;3006720]Than having already paid for the room, and having her hand you the condom insisting you put it on or the session is over and what happens when you walk back out after 2 minutes in the room.

What does everyone think now, Does she not tell everyone what happened?

The ladies that might accept right away are highly transactional and will quote a high price to try to get as much as they can out of you. Those guys are in a weak negotiating position at that point. Even though the lady would have probably done it much cheaper if it wasn't made into a transaction from their first words. And they will probably get mechanical service because of it.

I think there are some serious flaws in the reasoning or lack thereof in this post.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Terry88;3006760]You'd be happier in Pattaya and would get better treatment there, as would a lot of you. I whole heartedly recommend Thailand because they appreciate that kind of thing more than Indos do.[/QUOTE]I don't believe anybody who knows what they're doing in Indonesia would be happier in Pattaya. Pattaya is an overpriced turdhole.

[QUOTE=Chilli1;3006252]How long you will stay.

You can go to kemang bars resto but some will expect many.

I had several meet as date from tinder who asked for many after finish leaving room.

If there are long stay guys here they can share about their locations.

If you younger age white.[/QUOTE]Staying about over a week. Can you please name a business place near those bars or one of the bars in the area? It'll make it easier for me to know where to look, I don't mind wandering around and exploring, just need a bit more direction. Thanks, I'm planning on using Tinder, Bumble, and a few other apps to see what hits. Not white, but I'm mixed (Hispanic, Black, White) and very early 30's.

[QUOTE=United1;3006293]Jakarta is a very easy place to pick up civvs if you have the confidence and not too old. Offer to buy a drink and you very successful. Indo girls can sometimes be shy and not talkative. Probably is language. Some don't speak good english and hard to talks in nightclub. H Club is good. You can also check out TCC which is the same Senopati area. A bit more higher end. If your staying in SCBD, there is group of more nightlife disco in the triangle plaza across from Langham and Equity tower. I am forgetting the name, but it has a red / white awning. You can't miss it. In there is club call zoo which had a lot of younger hot indos and expat guys who love them.[/QUOTE]I'm in my very early 30's, not sure what's considered old in Indonesia LOL maybe 50+? I'll check out Zoo and H Club. I'm guessing you mean The Cocktail Club when you say TCC. Any tips and tricks on how to game them there? Thanks, sucks Wednesday night is ladies night everywhere. Gives me FOMO on deciding the best spots since I like to bar hop to find the vibes. What time is best to get to any club? Want to get there right before it gets packed or get the bracelets / markings so I can just walk right in later when everything gets good.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;3006799]I don't think that will end well for most folks...[/QUOTE]All good considerations. However, we will only know for sure if and when some gents actually try and post a field report about the experience. All conjecture until then. Suspect that those who are satisfied with their current "success" rate will continue in linear fashion with their approach, so looking forward to hearing more field reports. Reading your informative post, I would be really taken aback if a bleepin mamasan were to brand me, lecture me and shame or scold me. Maybe it is a misconception on my part, but I always treat mamasans as if they are supposed to work for my benefit. I guess in these venues my typical expectation for memento photos like the one attached would be taken as out of order as well? LOL. Not to take things too seriously. Life doesn't always give us what we want. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.