FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=Gino02;2266703]I guess this is where comes two different schools of thoughts. One is that if I like the girl, I would rather take the full plunge to enjoy the full natural GFE sex as it is supposed to be, like the way God intended to, and knowing that life is short and we all will definitely die sooner or later, from STDs or something else. Other school of thought is to do the half-ass thing, chosing the perceived lower risk option of BBBJ but not BBFS even knowing that the girl might have some STD from all the BBBJs she's doing and spreading all day all year long, like most mediocre risk averse people live to remain in the middle-class bracket for the whole life. Two different philosophies of (mongering) life: living full (maybe shorter) vs living half-ass (maybe longer). To each (monger) his own (way of enjoying the mongering life).[/QUOTE]When you fuck AO a girl fucked AO by many other guys, this is as risky as if I made my free ride runs in flog or when snow is not solid enough yet, or as a avalanches hunter I play sometimes, in Tignes Guerlain Chicherit area, but resort slopes safety staff don t like this kind of game. No disease caught from FKK land, more than 30 free riding years, looking now only for most extreme spots, for adrenaline and passion, and spark in FKK land where one is just enough.

I guess you never had something green, slimy and smelly dripping from your cock do you?

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2266165]

All of the above is why I won't go to Dietz. Not just because of the apparently poor facilities (which I wouldn't like either) but because AO is not for me. Far too risky to get something fairly serious from someone who is having unprotected sex with that many guys.

Well done again to Optimist. It shows it does happen and we should all be a little more cautious.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with everything you wrote in your post and well done to Optimist for disclosing (like me in a couple of occasions) to have caught an infection. As a matter of fact, I was in Sharks at the end of November and I also caught a bacterial infection, which sadly started to manifest itself on Christmas day! The infection has now been successfully treated with an injection of antibiotic and I probably also know which girl gave me this bacterial Christmas gift! This is the second time I've caught a bacterial infection at Sharks over the last year and, as much as I love this club, I will think twice about attending in the future.

I didn't know that Artemis was so strict in STD testing for the girls and I wish Sharks had a similar policy. In fact, one of my favourite girls once told me she wanted to move to Artemis because they had an internal doctor in the club.

In addition, for the record, many bacterial infection can be transmitted also via cross contact. Such as when the girl put the lube in her vagina and then touches your erected sword to put on a condom, that can be a way of transmitting a bacterial or viral infection.

I appreciate it's hard to play safe all the time, but get tested regularly if you visit the clubs often because many infections show no symptoms for a long time.

Rock.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2266766]I totally agree with everything you wrote in your post and well done to Optimist for disclosing (like me in a couple of occasions) to have caught an infection. As a matter of fact, I was in Sharks at the end of November and I also caught a bacterial infection, which sadly started to manifest itself on Christmas day! The infection has now been successfully treated with an injection of antibiotic and I probably also know which girl gave me this bacterial Christmas gift! This is the second time I've caught a bacterial infection at Sharks over the last year and, as much as I love this club, I will think twice about attending in the future.

Rock.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing, this post will make me think not twice but 100 times before visiting Sharks again. How can this happen in maybe the most popular club?

[QUOTE=Gino02;2266703]I guess this is where comes two different schools of thoughts. One is that if I like the girl, I would rather take the full plunge to enjoy the full natural GFE sex as it is supposed to be, like the way God intended to, and knowing that life is short and we all will definitely die sooner or later, from STDs or something else. Other school of thought is to do the half-ass thing, chosing the perceived lower risk option of BBBJ but not BBFS even knowing that the girl might have some STD from all the BBBJs she's doing and spreading all day all year long, like most mediocre risk averse people live to remain in the middle-class bracket for the whole life. Two different philosophies of (mongering) life: living full (maybe shorter) vs living half-ass (maybe longer). To each (monger) his own (way of enjoying the mongering life). 😊[/QUOTE]Certainly an even-handed assessment of both schools of thought. :)

[QUOTE=Gino02;2266703]I guess this is where comes two different schools of thoughts. One is that if I like the girl, I would rather take the full plunge to enjoy the full natural GFE sex as it is supposed to be, like the way God intended to, and knowing that life is short and we all will definitely die sooner or later, from STDs or something else. Other school of thought is to do the half-ass thing, chosing the perceived lower risk option of BBBJ but not BBFS even knowing that the girl might have some STD from all the BBBJs she's doing and spreading all day all year long, like most mediocre risk averse people live to remain in the middle-class bracket for the whole life. Two different philosophies of (mongering) life: living full (maybe shorter) vs living half-ass (maybe longer). To each (monger) his own (way of enjoying the mongering life).[/QUOTE]Usually guys speaking like this are not sick when you are sick from STD you will for sure regret not to always choose the second option.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2266703]I guess this is where comes two different schools of thoughts. One is that if I like the girl, I would rather take the full plunge to enjoy the full natural GFE sex as it is supposed to be, like the way God intended to, and knowing that life is short and we all will definitely die sooner or later, from STDs or something else. Other school of thought is to do the half-ass thing, chosing the perceived lower risk option of BBBJ but not BBFS even knowing that the girl might have some STD from all the BBBJs she's doing and spreading all day all year long, like most mediocre risk averse people live to remain in the middle-class bracket for the whole life. Two different philosophies of (mongering) life: living full (maybe shorter) vs living half-ass (maybe longer). To each (monger) his own (way of enjoying the mongering life).[/QUOTE]The other aspect to consider, besides potentially shortening your own life, is the effect that your decision to participate in AO may have on others and the community. For instance, if you catch something serious (the most serious) are you going to stop the mongering life? Some part of you might say "yes I will stop", but once you're in that position with nothing to lose, then very unlikely that you will sacrifice and forego pleasure, out of integrity. And then if you're not stopping, you're then knowingly putting others, many of us, at risk (which in some countries is considered a crime, for a reason). The best way to avoid this dilemma is to minimize your chances of ending up in that situation.

If your goal is to maximize your potential for pleasure and happiness over the course of your life, than participating in certain risky behaviors is simply irrational. Some risky behaviors are worth it -- take financial risks to grow your wealth, because it's a financial risk (something you can re-earn), and the end result is a desirable one. Choosing to participate in a marginally more pleasurable act (AO)- that mild increase in pleasure does not seem like it's worth the risk to your health and your life. The risk is permanent (irreversible), the end result is undesirable, and the only thing you get is a mild increase in pleasure for a very short term activity. This is akin to taking hard life-threatening drugs like meth.

Your analogy about this middle class sounds inaccurate. If you take financial risks to try to ascend the social hierarchy, then if you succeed, you achieve success -- something admirable by all and objectively good. You are equating the pursuit of financial success and striving to achieve an objectively good thing, with catching harmful and potentially fatal STD's by an inability to make responsible choices. A more accurate analogy for participating in AO is someone who chooses to gamble their live savings in a casino or take heroin on a regular basis. This would be because they "want to live life to the fullest". With respect, this just sounds like an attempt to internally justify an inability to control a very low impulse and poor decision making.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2266582]Easy to know, even without going with her, Newton fall. Amazing naturals, but not pretty face for me.[/QUOTE]Sagging big tits, nice body well trained, not cute face, very pro in the room at least with me, she has 0 chance I will book her again.

[QUOTE=Cassius8;2266828]The other aspect to consider, besides potentially shortening your own life, is the effect that your decision to participate in AO may have on others and the community. For instance, if you catch something serious (the most serious) are you going to stop the mongering life? Some part of you might say "yes I will stop", but once you're in that position with nothing to lose, then very unlikely that you will sacrifice and forego pleasure, out of integrity. And then if you're not stopping, you're then knowingly putting others, many of us, at risk (which in some countries is considered a crime, for a reason). [/QUOTE]You have got to be shitting me! How do you know a guy who gets an STD will not stop? You are clearly assuming any guy who does AO will take the attitude ' fuck everyone else I will continue to AO since it is too late for me. ' What do you base that on? Do you know any guys who have done this or are you just making a statement of opinion with absolutely no facts or evidence to back such a selfish claim up? One well known member recently posted he got an STD and stopped, others simply stop. And you have some magic crystal ball that tells you guys are unlikely (' very unlikely' as you worded it as well) to stop if they contract an STD while it clears up . IMHO that is extremely judgmental of you although I do agree the guy who doesn't stop is putting others at risk. Yes, you are right if one doesn't not cool. I fully agree with you however you have made a very opinionated assumption on other guys and what they would do. The onus falls on the girl to stop as well and girls have STDs and continue to work in many cases (also wrong) so when you (or anyone else) goes to any club it is YOU taking on your own risk. YOU meaning anyone not you personally. The truth of the matter is AO is common, very popular, goes on much more than people think and if I were you I might reconsider your choice in a hobby as the majority of guys I know that do not go to the RTCs are barebacking some regular in a mainstream FKK. One can knock AO as dangerous but one shouldn't knock an activity based solely on their opinion of what someone else would do in fact what you post actually tells me personally more about what you might do if you were the unlucky one to contract an STD not others; usually we judge or predict others' behaviors based on our own. I personally would stop till clear. I hope you would do the same. That being said, why do you assume guys with an STD would continue to fuck? How did you arrive at such an assumption to cast upon others?

I just want to be clear, I am not arguing guys who AO can potentially put others at risk what I am not at all in agreement with is the casting of judgments on others when one has zero clue how another would behave. I appreciate your input but it is insulting in some ways but for discussion purposes, thank you for posting it. Your point is very valid, it is your assumption which is not.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2266703] Two different philosophies of (mongering) life: living full (maybe shorter) vs living half-ass (maybe longer). To each (monger) his own (way of enjoying the mongering life). 😊[/QUOTE]Reminds me of when I left Mainhatten waiting on Tram 11 smoking a cigarette talking to an Egyptian man. He told me an expression in Arabic that means ' live short and well not long and miserable' ; as he lit up a second smoke.

Everything good (including Big Mac's that I love) well mostly everything good can be bad for you. Not always. But much truth to the two schools of philosophies. To each their own.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2266766]
In addition, for the record, many bacterial infection can be transmitted also via cross contact. Such as when the girl put the lube in her vagina and then touches your erected sword to put on a condom, that can be a way of transmitting a bacterial or viral infection.
[/QUOTE]Very true, my doctor who knows of my adventures tells me UTIs are often forgot about as a risk of this game. Cross contact is very easy to transmit.

I think all would agree BBBJ is less risky than AO but not risk free but I am not reading too much about DATY as a risk, infections in the mouth can occur very easily so guys who fuck with condoms only but get BBBJ are not only taking on some degree of risk but add in DATY to the mix the risk increases. Vaginal fluids in to a guy's mouth are not filtered for bacteria and viruses. Girl gets fingered or somehow gets a cut in her pussy and the next guy sticks his tongue up her kunt all the way in could prove to be risky. Or not. Just never know.

The above thoughts are not casting judgments on others behaviors just pointing things out, at the end of the day we all decide the risk level we want (as do the girls) but no matter how you slice the pie all of us are taking on a risk in this game. Several girls in the states have told me over the years and no way girls in Germany do not practice this either (in fact I know of one who does in one club and she is not the only one) shoves a tampon or The Today sponge up her pussy when on the rag (and bleeding.) I know one guy at one of these clubs who once told me when he pulled his dick out it was red, I told him this girl is known to work with a tampon in during her period. Just another ' trick' in their book.

And just to add to others sentiments, if you are that scared of STDs take up coin or stamp collecting but in the event you need to get in your car and merge on to a highway to go to the store make sure to double check your rear and side view mirrors, car accidents are quite common especially with merges at high speeds; often with deadly or life threatening injuries not treatable with pills or a shot. Just saying.

We may see on the ISG here (Sharks thread) over the last few months a few reports of guys getting infections but it also happens to be one of the most populated and busiest clubs and one needs to simply look at the post counts for the Sharks and oase threads for that matter. When the American boards were open (some still) the majority of reviews are always Sharks and Oase. That being said of course the number of ' admissions' would be higher at this club than at a tiny club but if anyone thinks as a percentage of all the girls working at clubs that Sharks is STD infested while a smaller club such as Mainhatten or Living Room (I am told it is small) are STD free think again.

Glad this thread comes up again (despite being slightly off-topic).

There is a lot of wisdom in what you write. I totally refrain from BBBJ. My theory is, that the girl cannot do a covered BJ well. She won't be able to do a BBBJ well either. But a well done CBJ can indeed only be marginally improved with a BBBJ (imo! But you pay often much more money, and run into those risks.

Just my question: if the lady is already having an STD and the BBBJ is risky, how risky would be DFK too?

[QUOTE=Cassius8;2266828]The other aspect to consider, besides potentially shortening your own life, is the effect that your decision to participate in AO may have on others and the community. For instance, if you catch something serious (the most serious) are you going to stop the mongering life? Some part of you might say "yes I will stop", but once you're in that position with nothing to lose, then very unlikely that you will sacrifice and forego pleasure, out of integrity. And then if you're not stopping, you're then knowingly putting others, many of us, at risk (which in some countries is considered a crime, for a reason). The best way to avoid this dilemma is to minimize your chances of ending up in that situation.

If your goal is to maximize your potential for pleasure and happiness over the course of your life, than participating in certain risky behaviors is simply irrational. Some risky behaviors are worth it -- take financial risks to grow your wealth, because it's a financial risk (something you can re-earn), and the end result is a desirable one. Choosing to participate in a marginally more pleasurable act (AO)- that mild increase in pleasure does not seem like it's worth the risk to your health and your life. The risk is permanent (irreversible), the end result is undesirable, and the only thing you get is a mild increase in pleasure for a very short term activity. This is akin to taking hard life-threatening drugs like meth.

Your analogy about this middle class sounds inaccurate. If you take financial risks to try to ascend the social hierarchy, then if you succeed, you achieve success -- something admirable by all and objectively good. You are equating the pursuit of financial success and striving to achieve an objectively good thing, with catching harmful and potentially fatal STD's by an inability to make responsible choices. A more accurate analogy for participating in AO is someone who chooses to gamble their live savings in a casino or take heroin on a regular basis. This would be because they "want to live life to the fullest". With respect, this just sounds like an attempt to internally justify an inability to control a very low impulse and poor decision making.[/QUOTE]

Interesting!

Two things:

A) she should first put the condom on your willi.

B) she should 100% have washed her hands (we can assume that 90% of the girls will do that- right? Right?

[QUOTE=RockyV;2266766]..... many bacterial infection can be transmitted also via cross contact. Such as when the girl put the lube in her vagina and then touches your erected sword to put on a condom

Rock.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I believe that she is asian. "North Korea" sounds so unlikely a lie, so it must be true. Ultimately, I do not care, as others said. You can get awesome service from anyone.

Kylie is a very rare asian with her rack though.

[QUOTE=BarryManila;2263050]At Kuni042.

Believe it or not. 80-85 percent are from Romania. And 2 greek girls? Forget that Kylie is from Greece. She's from North Korea.[/QUOTE]

120 girls? I totally doubt it. They only have max 40 "rooms", 23 rooms upstairs, 4 rooms downstairs, 12 "tents" inside.

That would mean you should see 80 girls outside, which is simply not true. Do your own count again too, Nick!

[QUOTE=NickTheG;2263088]Last Wednesday, there were more than 120 girls. The last weekend, Friday to Sunday, was Christmas party weekend and the last big chance to harvest money for many of the girls. Reliable sources on a german forum report that on Saturday there were approx. 150 girls there. And true, more german girls as usual were there for the party only. I don't assume that on Friday there were significantly less girls at Sharks altogether.

So it might be the time to calculate again! Do it again, Kuni042![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2266889]Very true, my doctor who knows of my adventures tells me UTIs are often forgot about as a risk of this game. Cross contact is very easy to transmit.

I think all would agree BBBJ is less risky than AO but not risk free but I am not reading too much about DATY as a risk, infections in the mouth can occur very easily so guys who fuck with condoms only but get BBBJ are not only taking on some degree of risk but add in DATY to the mix the risk increases. Vaginal fluids in to a guy's mouth are not filtered for bacteria and viruses. Girl gets fingered or somehow gets a cut in her pussy and the next guy sticks his tongue up her kunt all the way in could prove to be risky. Or not. Just never know..[/QUOTE]Dear KK,

First at all I want you to know I really enjoy reading your reports, which are always very entertaining and well written. So thank you for that, you are a great writer!!

1) In response to your doubts about the risks with DATY, yes, you can catch an STD in your throat just like gay men get them in their anus. According to the nurse that treated me, the worst situation is when you catch them in your eye, through cross contact, as it can have a long lasting damage and it is more difficult to treat.

2) No, I'm not that scared about STDs if you can treat them easily, but I am scared of other viral infections that you can't treat. That's why I never do AO. However, I wish that Sharks management would adopt a policy to monitor STDs in girls like Artemis' does. This would not eliminate the risk altogether, but it would reduce the chances of catching something. STDs monitoring like in Artemis would actually protect the health of girls more than the costumers', but it is better than not having anything in place.

3) Yes, I accept your point that the size of the club matters (just like size matters in other aspects of life! But that should be one more reason to implement some kind of STDs monitoring.

Cheers.

Andrea.

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2266893]Interesting!

Two things:

A) she should first put the condom on your willi.

B) she should 100% have washed her hands (we can assume that 90% of the girls will do that- right? Right?[/QUOTE]A) Ideally yes, but not before she washed her hands thoroughly or with an antibacterial gel.

B) You should not assume that. One of the girls, I went with during my visit at the end of November, started touching her pussy as soon as she jumped on the bed. Although a very sexy thing to see, it wasn't hygienic at all.