Angeles City

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2053388]Yes and no. Foreigners who start businesses here may be highly qualified in their own countries, or in other countries in which the rules are relatively straightforward, corruption is minimal, and the playing field is level. None of those preconditions exist here, and the reason many otherwise qualified foreigners fail is that they don't know the rules, don't have appropriate connections, and given the former, have no idea how to navigate in this country. The only foreigners I know who have started successful businesses are those who have been here for quite a while and who understand most of the informal rules. Please note that the most successful business owner in Angelesa guy who probably owns half the cityis a European.

GE.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. I was mainly focusing on the ones who open small businesses and bars in Angeles. These are not the same class you are referring to.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2052858]GE. I can't see how you can claim that the Koreans behaviour does not affect you unless you never patronize the bars where they get their girls. Do you not think that making it rain might just encourage those girls to turn down a barfine in hopes that it might rain again, or not go out with a white guy because she sees better potential for a windfall from a Korean?

Same could be said for being handsomely compensated for an afternoon of pool partying with free food and drink and quite possibly not even being required to fuck, just have pictures taken of their frolicking.

And if not you the same cannot be said for those who unwittingly walk into one of those bars and foolishly buys drinks for girls whom he has no hope of barfining, if they even sit with him at all.

Just saying.

Southeaster.[/QUOTE]The effect is noticeable when you walk into a place and get a feeling your not wanted there like you got leprosy or something. The girls tend to move way from you on the stage or give you looks of complete indifference to your presents. This are in bars LOA (Now Poseidon) Roadies and After school 3 bars I used to have a ton of fun in. I seem to be getting the I am already barfined excuse has to why they can; t go with me. Really a non welcomed feeling. Now I don't go there anymore. I also have a long time friend at Dollhouse and she's not going out with guys early in her shift because she wants to grab the easy money just standing there on the stage. She also don't like sitting away from the stage case the money flies or the balls drop. Says she makes a few 100 a night doing nothing but picking up ping pong balls or 20 peso notes the Koreans throw around. I once thought about sitting at the stage sit all night at dollhouse and grabbing a few 20's myself LOL.

Since you are talking about foreign owned business in the Philippines may I remind you of Lewis one of the owners of Lewis grand hotel and how he mysteriously disappeared after allegedly sold his shares in the hotel and in high society to his Filipino partners.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2053417]The effect is noticeable when you walk into a place and get a feeling your not wanted there like you got leprosy or something. The girls tend to move way from you on the stage or give you looks of complete indifference to your presents. This are in bars LOA (Now Poseidon) Roadies and After school 3 bars I used to have a ton of fun in. I seem to be getting the I am already barfined excuse has to why they can; t go with me. Really a non welcomed feeling. Now I don't go there anymore. I also have a long time friend at Dollhouse and she's not going out with guys early in her shift because she wants to grab the easy money just standing there on the stage. She also don't like sitting away from the stage case the money flies or the balls drop. Says she makes a few 100 a night doing nothing but picking up ping pong balls or 20 peso notes the Koreans throw around. I once thought about sitting at the stage sit all night at dollhouse and grabbing a few 20's myself LOL.[/QUOTE]I heard stories about how foreigners aren't welcomed in after school and I couldn't believe it so I went there to see it for myself. I walked in around 4 pm and there was 7 or 8 girls sitting on the stage, all the perimeter bargirls do this when there is no customers but as soon as someone walks in the start to dance but in after school they ignored me. A waitress asked me what I want to drink and I asked for SML she then disappeared and after 5 minutes of waiting I gave up and went to fields where I'm welcomed.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2053389]I agree with you. I was mainly focusing on the ones who open small businesses and bars in Angeles. These are not the same class you are referring to.[/QUOTE]No argument there. I'm guessing a lot of these guys imagine themselves having access to a harem while making money at the same time. Of course the reality is quite different. I doubt that most bars–unless secretly owned by the well-connected–make much of anything in the way of net profits. I've also been told (with zero substantiation on my part) that the Burgos bars continue to exist for the primary purpose of laundering money from other enterprises. No idea if that's true, but if it is, perhaps the same holds true for some of the Angeles bars as well.

GE.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2052858]GE. I can't see how you can claim that the Koreans behaviour does not affect you unless you never patronize the bars where they get their girls. Do you not think that making it rain might just encourage those girls to turn down a barfine in hopes that it might rain again, or not go out with a white guy because she sees better potential for a windfall from a Korean?

Same could be said for being handsomely compensated for an afternoon of pool partying with free food and drink and quite possibly not even being required to fuck, just have pictures taken of their frolicking.

Southeaster.[/QUOTE]I understand your point, and would agree with it, except I don't patronize the bars from which the Koreans get their girls, and I still continue, advanced years notwithstanding, to have a reasonably good time in the city, and don't get refused very often; and believe me, I'm neither young, nor good looking, nor any young woman's idea of a "good catch. " So in that sense, the behavior of the Koreans doesn't affect me. I come to have a good time, and I continue to be able to do so. And that's really all I meant.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2053590]I understand your point, and would agree with it, except I don't patronize the bars from which the Koreans get their girls, and I still continue, advanced years notwithstanding, to have a reasonably good time in the city, and don't get refused very often; and believe me, I'm neither young, nor good looking, nor any young woman's idea of a "good catch. " So in that sense, the behavior of the Koreans doesn't affect me. I come to have a good time, and I continue to be able to do so. And that's really all I meant.

GE.[/QUOTE]I just returned from visit number 50 to AC since 2004. I was only there 5 nights and BF'd 7 girls. Had an afternoon delight and a double. No problem having a great looking girl go with me. Yes, In many clubs you get the feeling you are in Seoul and the money showers just keep raining down. I guess it is great for the girls. However, I have mixed feelings watching girls push, drop to the floor and scramble for 20 P notes.

Like GE wrote, I always have a good time too. Even spent nights with 2 score birds top 10 bikini winners! The mamasans tell me which girls only go with Koreans. I only have had a couple of potential girls that looked good to me that fear a 'big American dick'. So good times are still to be had in AC.

I have seen 1 change that happens more often than it did years ago. Hot looking girls I know are BF'ing short time 2 or 3 times a night. As my girl told me. 'Honey. 1500 P + tip x 3 is good money for 1 night'.

[QUOTE=Shark5;2053161]Making it rain isn't such a big thing to the girls. Most of the guys who do this use 20 php notes and don't throw enough for any one girl to make a substantial amount of money. Most of the girls get one or two 20 php notes.[/QUOTE]Only 20 peso notes? Truly spoken like a person with extra money on their hands. The other day I saw 25 cents on the floor and asked a coworker if it was his. He said no so I picked it up and kept it. He said what are you going to do with 25 cents? I said spend it the same as I would if it was $100. If you can't handle little money, how are you going to be able to handle big money?

When I was in High Society last month I called a girl over to go buy me a drink. I gave her 500 pesos and told her to buy herself one too. She came back with my drink and all of my change, not buying a drink for herself. I said why didn't you get yourself one? I gave her 120 pesos and told her to go back and get one for herself. She never did. I guess she needed the 120 pesos more than she needed a drink. I think that is the chick I ended up taking with me that night.

The point is that just because it seems like nothing to you, it could mean a whole lot to someone else. So they got 40 pesos in all of 10 seconds, when the average daily pay for Filipino workers is what?

Chocha,

Are foreigners still not allowed or wanted in Area 51? And if you don't mind could you be more specific in the location?

Right or left on McArthur from Fields etc.

[QUOTE=Shark5;2053161]Making it rain isn't such a big thing to the girls. Most of the guys who do this use 20 php notes and don't throw enough for any one girl to make a substantial amount of money. Most of the girls get one or two 20 php notes.[/QUOTE]Some girls have more cents than to step over $$'s to pick up pesos. They know the money is in the ld and bf.

Reminds me of one child beggar around 6/7 years old in front of 7-11. I gave him 2 pesos change and he hands it back and says 5 pesos please! Got to think a little bigger. Lol

[QUOTE=Jack4765;2053699]Chocha,

Are foreigners still not allowed or wanted in Area 51? And if you don't mind could you be more specific in the location?

Right or left on McArthur from Fields etc.[/QUOTE]Why even go that far? There are P300-500 street walkers near that closed up motel on the side street near where Johnny's market is located. I have nevered tried any but seen them as I went by on a trike and a few pinays have told me about them. Mostly local guys go there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2053642]<SNIP>
The point is that just because it seems like nothing to you, it could mean a whole lot to someone else. So they got 40 pesos in all of 10 seconds, when the average daily pay for Filipino workers is what?[/QUOTE]You make a good point Mr E that might be incomprehensible to most of us on here.

Apropos of this, I was recently visiting a Nthn Luzon province and I noticed the arrival of an affable Indian money-lender (colloguially known as a "five-six") on his motorbike at the house next door to my abode. The woman resident came out and gave him 20 pesos. Away he rode.

I subsequently discovered that the woman next door had borrowed 500 pesos from him for an "urgent' purchase and 3 times each week he returned to collect 20 pesos until such time as the borrower had repaid 600 pesos.

Point of story. There are pockets of filipino life where 20 pesos represents a substantial proportion of the weekly budget. Hard to believe I know but this story is absolutely true. ISG members here who have ventured into these places and stayed there for any time know that 20 pesos is important to them, so girls scrabbling for such largesse in AC is simply the hard-wired manifestation of their experience with money matters in their home provinces.

Subscript: The next-door neighbor is a lovely person and soon after this event when we needed to borrow some onions from her I compensated her with a 500 php bill and an instruction to pay off the 5-sixer next visit, because his presence in the street troubled me.

Why did I do it when no sexual favors were involved? Because I can, and because I wanted to. My act is unlikely to upset the balance of expectations in our small community even if it unwittingly reinforces the belief that the foreigner who visits now and again is rich.

As I turned out I was on Walking street about 11 pm and ventured into HiSo. It was Ok and some potential girls but slim pickings.

I wandered around a few other bars and then returned about 3 am. The cut little numbers were streaming in after their workshift. Plenty of choice and very friendly. Had way too many options on the go. Seems some of the girls are definitely working with a pimp. If I am talking to a potential girl and she is approached by a grumpy older woman then I just move on.

Ended up with a shapely little mother of four kids. Agreed on P1,500 to go home with me. Evening sex, evening BBBJ with CIM, then sleep, then repeat in the wake up. Will definitely see her again.

Happy days in AC.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2053839]As I turned out I was on Walking street about 11 pm and ventured into HiSo.

I wandered around a few other bars and then returned about 3 am.

Seems some of the girls are definitely working with a pimp. If I am talking to a potential girl and she is approached by a grumpy older woman then I just move on.[/QUOTE]That is not the case. It is that when some bars close sometimes several of the girls go to HS and the mamasan tags along too for fun. I have never noticed them act grumpy though.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2053818] Indian money-lender (colloguially known as a "five-six") [/QUOTE]The Indians doing this are often referred to as "Bombay five-six" or, simply, "Bombay" to differentiate them from their Filipino counterparts in the trade, which is one not held in very high regard. But "needed", as you point out.