FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2266889]
Reminds me of when I left Mainhatten waiting on Tram 11 smoking a cigarette talking to an Egyptian man. He told me an expression in Arabic that means ' live short and well not long and miserable' ; as he lit up a second smoke.

Everything good (including Big Mac's that I love) well mostly everything good can be bad for you. Not always. But much truth to the two schools of philosophies. To each their own.

Very true, my doctor who knows of my adventures tells me UTIs are often forgot about as a risk of this game. Cross contact is very easy to transmit.

I think all would agree BBBJ is less risky than AO but not risk free but I am not reading too much about DATY as a risk, infections in the mouth can occur very easily so guys who fuck with condoms only but get BBBJ are not only taking on some degree of risk but add in DATY to the mix the risk increases. Vaginal fluids in to a guy's mouth are not filtered for bacteria and viruses. Girl gets fingered or somehow gets a cut in her pussy and the next guy sticks his tongue up her kunt all the way in could prove to be risky. Or not. Just never know.

The above thoughts are not casting judgments on others behaviors just pointing things out, at the end of the day we all decide the risk level we want (as do the girls) but no matter how you slice the pie all of us are taking on a risk in this game. Several girls in the states have told me over the years and no way girls in Germany do not practice this either (in fact I know of one who does in one club and she is not the only one) shoves a tampon or The Today sponge up her pussy when on the rag (and bleeding.) I know one guy at one of these clubs who once told me when he pulled his dick out it was red, I told him this girl is known to work with a tampon in during her period. Just another ' trick' in their book.

And just to add to others sentiments, if you are that scared of STDs take up coin or stamp collecting but in the event you need to get in your car and merge on to a highway to go to the store make sure to double check your rear and side view mirrors, car accidents are quite common especially with merges at high speeds; often with deadly or life threatening injuries not treatable with pills or a shot. Just saying.
[/QUOTE]That's an excellent way to put it KK - "live short and well, not long and miserable".

Most FKK girls work thru their periods if they really need the money in that week, obviously using those sponges or tampons. Sharks front desk even sells those sponges to the girls in need. Few girls get more horny during periods, and work through that week even if they do not need the money. It's gross to me, but apparently there are customers who also like when the girls are in period. Again, to each his own.

Anything we (both girls and the guys) do in any of these FKKs or such establishments are riskier than any safe-sex options (one regularly tested partner or self-help as I mentioned earlier). For example, when we lick an FKK girl's nipples, how sure are we that she washed them well with disinfecting soap etc after the last session when that customer (maybe just came from an Ebola infested country, who knows) devoured those beautiful boobs for 20 minutes?

Live long and well.

I hope to live long enough to see the end of the never ending discussions on risk in having paid sex lol

Everybody has to make up their own minds. Just for fun I would argue that most clients indulging in AO are more likely to die from obesity related illnesses than from an std :D. Everybody worried about catching an std should lose weight if they want to improve their life survival chances :D (only kidding, but just wanted to show how different perspectives can frame the issue differently)

[QUOTE=Optimist;2266929]Live long and well.

I hope to live long enough to see the end of the never ending discussions on risk in having paid sex lol

Everybody has to make up their own minds. Just for fun I would argue that most clients indulging in AO are more likely to die from obesity related illnesses than from an std :D. Everybody worried about catching an std should lose weight if they want to improve their life survival chances :D (only kidding, but just wanted to show how different perspectives can frame the issue differently)[/QUOTE]You are so on point with your argument Optimist! We have a choice of dying out of obesity related illnesses or opening a McDonald to spread such illnesses, but we don't have the choice of taking the risk of enjoying AO sex which is statistically much less risky than bad food or road accidents. Such a balanced free world 😣.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2266929]Live long and well.

I hope to live long enough to see the end of the never ending discussions on risk in having paid sex lol

Everybody has to make up their own minds. Just for fun I would argue that most clients indulging in AO are more likely to die from obesity related illnesses than from an std :D. Everybody worried about catching an std should lose weight if they want to improve their life survival chances :D (only kidding, but just wanted to show how different perspectives can frame the issue differently)[/QUOTE]I don't understand the link between STD and obesity and life expectation but why not, what about healthy people doing AO and no doing AO, for me the risk to catch a STD in a FKK is probably very high compare to escort, tinder, . Just because the girls have so many guys without knowing anything about their health status. When I am setting outside in summer it is very easy to see the girls from FKK and very few are looking healthy, nice skin, fresh. Even some stars are ugly for me and I will not session them even they will pay me.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2266904] However, I wish that Sharks management would adopt a policy to monitor STDs in girls like Artemis' does. This would not eliminate the risk altogether, but it would reduce the chances of catching something. STDs monitoring like in Artemis would actually protect the health of girls more than the costumers', but it is better than not having anything in place.[/QUOTE]I don't like Artemis much but after reading this I have to take hats off to the management of the club. Who would not prefer to go to a cub where the chances of catching STDs are much less?

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2266899]Yes, I believe that she is asian. "North Korea" sounds so unlikely a lie, so it must be true. Ultimately, I do not care, as others said. You can get awesome service from anyone.

Kylie is a very rare asian with her rack though.[/QUOTE]I've frequently travelled to Kazachstan for business and IMO she definitely looks very Central Asian. I've seen loads of girls who look like Kylie (previously called herself "Electra") in Almaty and Astana; a very curious and exotic mix of Asians (Kazach, Korean, Chinese, Mongolian) and Europeans-Russians.

Kylie's eyes are very Central Asian, not quite Asian and not quite European-Caucasian either, and her tits of course are fantastic.

Can we please move the STD debate away from Sharks and stick to the line-up? STD's can happen everywhere.

[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2267066]I don't like Artemis much but after reading this I have to take hats off to the management of the club. Who would not prefer to go to a cub where the chances of catching STDs are much less?[/QUOTE]IMHO, the new law effective from 2017 should have been much more effective if it enforced all girls must be tested at some reasonable frequency (monthly, 15 days etc?) and carry such report card with them for police to do occasional checking, as opposed to what they have now (BBBJ and BBFS ban) which is ridiculous, unenforceable and doesn't really protect anyone. Then the FKK clubs also can be required to have a doctor in retainer to enforce such law, which benefits both girls and customers. Austria got this partly right by not having any BBBJ or BBFS ban but requiring all WGs to be tested regularly and carry the report as part of their WG license card. Unfortunately, Germany implemented something that doesn't do good to anyone except for generating more tax euros. Usually Germany gets things done right eventually, so I still hope that some politicians will eventually fix it.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2267258]IMHO, the new law effective from 2017 should have been much more effective if it enforced all girls must be tested at some reasonable frequency (monthly, 15 days etc?) and carry such report card with them for police to do occasional checking, as opposed to what they have now (BBBJ and BBFS ban) which is ridiculous, unenforceable and doesn't really protect anyone. Then the FKK clubs also can be required to have a doctor in retainer to enforce such law, which benefits both girls and customers. Austria got this partly right by not having any BBBJ or BBFS ban but requiring all WGs to be tested regularly and carry the report as part of their WG license card. Unfortunately, Germany implemented something that doesn't do good to anyone except for generating more tax euros. Usually Germany gets things done right eventually, so I still hope that some politicians will eventually fix it.[/QUOTE]Would be nice, the current law is a waste except 'maybe' provisions unrelated to BBBJ / AO; at least the Gypsies and RLD girls go to the doctor although between visits several hundred johns load them up. Two day care Gypsies however told me in the NRW testing is not frequent some do not do it however my gut tells me this is possibly not true as I think they tell me not to go up there as they selfishly want the money I spend however often I go in their pockets not the Gypsies of the North. I know Mainhatten girls are not required to be tested, three have confirmed this but say ' every time they go home they get tested'.

In Mexico the girls had an onsite medical facility in the border compounds and they had to go I think weekly and carry a health card. If no health card the club and the girl faced fines / banishment. I believe the brothels of Guadalajara also require medical cards. I also was told (so third hand) that the girls working for the MX City agencies (the upper end ones) are required to be tested either by the agency or the state. Either way, BBBJ is a battle down there too but $5-$10 upsell is nothing.

If the Mexicans can do it why can't the Germans? I am sure you are right as more Euros come in but if they did require testing too simply slap a ' medical tax' on the girls or increase the total tax they pay now by a portion to cover the costs of the tests. Only problem with requiring testing means someone has to pay for it either the clubs (unlikely) the girls (likely) which means IMHO the girls will attempt to pass the costs on to us and turn a profit on it. Look at how much they make off ' the bullshit laws'; in many cases +50 e on blowjobs, plenty to cover their increased costs under the new laws and for some a profit.

But I could be wrong.

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2266902]120 girls? I totally doubt it. They only have max 40 "rooms", 23 rooms upstairs, 4 rooms downstairs, 12 "tents" inside.
Do your own count again too, Nick![/QUOTE]Why the hell there are always these waiting times for the rooms in the evening. What do you think?

I know this is off topic. Gino, you are right. FKKs used to require girls to be tested, but once the Police started raiding clubs, the clubs started to worry that requiring girls to get tested would mean that the authorities would prosecute them as the girls would no longer be "self-employed". The raid about three years ago intended to close Artemis was partly on the grounds that the girls were not self employed. Of course, the authorities ended up with egg on their face. So maybe now Artemis has enough confidence that it can require testing, if Rocky is correct

There is no reason why other clubs could not do so. But they don't really care, with a few exceptions as KK points out. BTW I have anecdotal evidence that the testing regime at the KK type clubs in NRW is extremely lax to say the least: one girl worked there for at least a couple of months with an infection, and was never required go be tested while working

Cost of testing is minimal compared to girls' earnings: half an hour session covers it. No reason why the old system from World where the doctor came to the club once a month shouldn't work. But the clubs can make their money without acting responsibly.

So in the end it is up to us to test ourselves (and not with instant tests which for example don't show up syphilis for the first three months).

The German authorities have made a mess of this. The clubs started off being responsible but the authorities discouraged this. And the new law has (on anecdotal and observational evidence) increased the demand for, and availability of, underground AO (and I suspect pimping/control of girls who are moved every few days) but done nothing to minimise the consequences. Like Prohibition in the US, more profit for the shady characters

[QUOTE=Optimist;2267286]I know this is off topic. Gino, you are right. FKKs used to require girls to be tested, but once the Police started raiding clubs, the clubs started to worry that requiring girls to get tested would mean that the authorities would prosecute them as the girls would no longer be "self-employed". The raid about three years ago intended to close Artemis was partly on the grounds that the girls were not self employed. Of course, the authorities ended up with egg on their face. So maybe now Artemis has enough confidence that it can require testing, if Rocky is correct[/QUOTE]I wonder where the police got that info from. Girls at Artemis have sometimes said that they work at a club as opposed to working on the street. If that was their lead, and it got lost in police translation, it has to be the biggest joke in German police prostitute history.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2267286]The German authorities have made a mess of this. The clubs started off being responsible but the authorities discouraged this. And the new law has (on anecdotal and observational evidence) increased the demand for, and availability of, underground AO (and I suspect pimping/control of girls who are moved every few days) but done nothing to minimise the consequences. Like Prohibition in the US, more profit for the shady characters[/QUOTE]Well, the red light areas had rather poor hygiene I suppose. So there was something to regulating it a bit different. But they probably missed the mark on more things than it helped.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2267286]The German authorities have made a mess of this. The clubs started off being responsible but the authorities discouraged this. And the new law has (on anecdotal and observational evidence) increased the demand for, and availability of, underground AO (and I suspect pimping/control of girls who are moved every few days) but done nothing to minimise the consequences. Like Prohibition in the US, more profit for the shady characters[/QUOTE]This is a typical "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario. Unfortunately this fits in well with what I've been warning for for quite some time. The "meta-frame" is that the German government wants to severely restrict prostitution (look at Sweden as guidance country) and is using every opportunity to throw the book at FKK establishments.

Just because the authorities have backed off for the time being about STD testing (quite ridiculous since they supposedly "care so much about those 'poor' women' but that doesn't mean that they have changed their minds and that things are back to the good old days again. Governments and 'authorities' are very good in inefficiency, letting things get out of hand, fucking things up, and creating clusterfucks. These things they can subsequently use-abuse in order to push through their meta-frame and the government, the authorities and the feminazi's are just leaning back, watching the infections fester and collecting more ammo.

Watch the government and their vassals in the mainstream media in a few months spin an STD story into another tearjerker attack on FKK clubs and prostitution! That they (read: the government) themselves are the root cause, they will of course not mention!

Also see; "thin end of the wedge," "means to an end" and "never let a crisis go to waste."

[QUOTE=TheCane;2254634]At least Mr. Ho has the decency to shave his "anal" at home well before he arrives at the club. You see? He's not such a bad guy after all! LOLOLOL! Funniest thing I saw years ago was at Palace when I was new to the FKK scene.

I saw this guy in the shower bent over like he was in a rugby scrum washing his hairy arsehole out hahaha! Was too funny! WTH is wrong with some people doing such goofy-looking things in public?[/QUOTE]Well it is either I shave my ass hairs or not get my ass licked in FKK, so I got no choice, this act increase the probability of getting rimjob LOL. It is good thin hotel rooms has various mirrors, they must have thought a need like mine when they design the hotel room LOL!

I really wonder why all doctors advice to use condom when you don't really know your partner for sex, but maybe they bullshit like all over FKK land. I also wonder why smart, pretty girls work and make business with condom, when most often ugly girls work AO sex, taking risks for their health.