Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Ziggy00;1935855]Bananaboi, if you take as average thai income the one of an IBar lady, sorry to say but you have no clue what you're talking about.

Next time you travel to Thailand, get your ass out of the sex trade venues (because that's all you seem to know) and see how normal thai people is living. Then you'll understand that 800 K baht is a huge amount of money for them.[/QUOTE]This is an adult sex board and it was an adult sex worker who killed someone for supposedly 800 k. I know what a farm person makes. 200 baht per day if they're lucky working 18 hour days.

Beno, I know what I would do personally in my situation.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1935838]Yes but what if you want to find out if she really cares for you..[/QUOTE]

Like everywhere else in the world, stop giving her money.

Marco, who hurt you?

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1935483]Some people call it generosity. I call it stupidity. The money they sent don't go to the family, money goes to thai boyfriends, cards, alcohol, ya-baa (extasy-ice), etc. Etc. Engaging a "serious" relationship with these girls is like playing a russian roulette. Money will be the only subject in the relationship. The more you give the less respect you have back. Pattaya is not a place to fall in love.

If any young good looking fellow is reading, be carefull. When a girl decides to get no money from a youngster she's playing a game. It's a strategy. Nothing to do with love.

First of all, she can do that because she has probably some hidden "sponsor" , or she's working is some places like Climax, Big Eyes or Body Massage in North Pattaya. And she does it for 2 reasons:

1) She needs to show her friends she's able to get a young looking fellow,(90% of what these girls do is about showing and earning respect from their comunity, like flying abroad and put the pictures on Facebook).

2) She needs the guy to fall in love, and once it does happen, she'll start to eat him alive.

Can you immagine a young guy with no monger experience who's going to met a girl staying with him for free, sometime paying for him accomodation, food, and air ticket too. She will let him feel like a kind of casanova-gigolo'. And once the guy let her come to his country to meet mom and dad, damage is already done, it means she has finally taken control of the situation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1935815]Let's take an average working girl who works solely at iBar. Let's say she works 5-7 days per week and gets barfined roughly half the time. So we have 3 sessions at 2000-2500 each = 6k-7500 per week = 300-375k per year. 800k is attainable in 2+ years. [/QUOTE]And she doesn't have to eat, pay rent, buy fuel for her car or motorcycle, clothes, shoes, the new Iphone, internet and what else? Few Thais are into putting money into a savings account. It seems they are more into spending than saving for a rainiy day.

And besides, how many girls work at IBar (or similar establishments)? I think most Thai wiill work for perhaps 500 or 600 baht per day and they have to feed a family from that money. Your IBar girl is by no means representative for the Thai people.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1935142]I'm happy you are still with her my friend. She is Jai Dee and one of the prettiest lasses in the realm. She is a real keeper.

Hollywood is way better talent-wise than Levels, which I would actually put behind Ibar / Insomnia. To be honest I was not overly impressed with Levels at all. I thought the girls at Mixx were hotter. But they were asking outrageous prices. And I'd also put Mixx behind Ibar.

Hollywood is the creme de la creme! I look forward to trying it out next trip.

Nevertheless, I don't think its for everyone. The setup is more of an Asian club. Lots of tables and that is where most of the action is. Not much of a dance floor. I don't think my man Haven would really like it as it wouldn't really give him the space to unleash the canned heat that he has hiding in those heels of his. 555.[/QUOTE]Have to concur. Oddly enough I went to levels (Bangkok) last Friday and then Ibar (Pattaya) the day after (Sat of course). Levels was fun, I wasn't there looking for a woman but I certainly was scouting around. It was mostly foreigner expat / vacation-trip trust-fund kids. With a few 5's wandering in between who were working girls. I bar on the other hand. Wasn't there long just took a go go girl to there and Insomnia. HM. I can't really recall wasn't looking around much. But in the past, ibar has been filled to with hotties.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1935894]
You asking me how can you find out if she really care about you. Very simple. Tell her you have a limited budget and no plan for you to buy her a house.?[/QUOTE]No I was not actually asking. I was just introducing a crazy supposition. A weird sort of logic.

Based on the saying that we "pay girls to leave", and then what happens if we pay them enough to leave, and they still don't leave. Just silly thoughts.

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To be honest with you, I really don't understand why you are here. I'm glad you are happily engaged with a thai so why wasting your time with people who want just pay for having sex and that's all??[/QUOTE]I did hint that having a GF is not a good idea. Its rarely as good as anyone hoped after many years.

I just want to pay for sex with girls too. I am no different.

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I could understand all the fire towards me if we were in a normal Thai Forum like "Mix couple [URL]experience.com[/URL]" or "Thai lifestyle for [URL]foreigner.net[/URL]" , but I really don't here.[/QUOTE]
What fire was that? I did comment you were in the wrong place once in my opinion, for what you wanted and what you wanted to pay.
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Telling in a forum - mostly visited by mongers - that the best way to enjoy Pattaya is to pay girls without engaging any kind of shit-fake lovestory, is it so bad? Is it so far from reality?.[/QUOTE]That is good advice.

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So with all respect , who's the intruder here?[/QUOTE]Seemed to be a topic not really specific to Pattaya. Could happen anywhere. Guys getting knocked off by Thai girls, and the risks.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1935959]
Like everywhere else in the world, stop giving her money.[/QUOTE]If guy with lots of money meets a pauper girl, and refuses to ever support her in anyway, are they going to work as couple? He would obviously be a selfish bastard. If they both are equally well off, then fine she doesn't need any help. The guy can try to pretend he has no money for a while but I guess he will get found out eventually, or he will just get rejected.

Stunning young girl with big tits marries 80 year old millionaire. How come? Is it because he is so handsome? Of course not.

You meet some girl you like. She doesn't have the money to pay her rent. She can't afford to go see the doctor. She its eating Ma Ma Noodles every day. You can't give her any help, lest you will be buying her love. Is she going to love you, because you make her suffer? I don't think so.

I don't believe there are such simple answers. There are always significant problems for couples of greatly different means. This may not happen so much in USA, but still occurs.

Why do Thai girls take much older farangs? Because maybe that is the best guy they can find that will help look after them. If they have lots of choices, they will take the best one. If they have lots of options, will they choose the poorest possible option? Shit no. Is money the only criteria for selection? Not at all.

My father was the bread winner, my mother was the housewife and had the kids, and supported by her husband. This is fucking normal in the west, maybe not so much in the modern day. The guy cannot just say to the wife that she gets no money. Couples having a sharing relationship, greatly dependent on the money income of each partner. That is how couples work. If there is no sharing, is there really a couple at all?

Of course a guy sending money to a girl is not any evidence of a proper couple at all, and he maybe getting duped. Guys get into these things overly fast.

Every person for themselves. Is that how couples work? Who is going to support the kids?

Syzy, my point was if you continue paying someone money you will NEVER find out if she truly loves you. Same issue rich men have not knowing if a girl falls for them for their personality or money.

Anyways, does anyone have any actual reviews of Pattaya?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1936020]Syzy, my point was if you continue paying someone money you will NEVER find out if she truly loves you. Same issue rich men have not knowing if a girl falls for them for their personality or money.[/QUOTE]The Asian cultures have different ideas and concepts about love and the coupling of a man and a woman. In many cases it is out of need and respect not necessarily what we consider love. Anyway what is love? Hard to define. I've searched my life looking for love and at times I thought I found it. But a few years later realized that the feelings we have are fleeting and change as we change.

I guess love is the feeling we have for our children, sisters, brothers and Mom. But if you try to find that feeling and define it, you can't. Maybe love grows as two people get close and find a special feeling in each other.

For the time being, don't look for something you can't define.

RL.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1935921]I just heard a report on CNN that the median income in the US is $56,000 per year. That mean's half the people make more than that and half the people make less.[/QUOTE]Just want to add that amount is usually stated as "household" income, which could mean two or even three incomes combined within the same household. Finding the median "personal" income for individual Americans is kind of tricky. In fact, doing a Google search for "median personal income in the USA " in order to get the most current stated amount from somewhat reliable sources turns up 11 year old data showing it to be about $24,000 in 2005, info on the "average" personal income (perhaps about $40,000-$44,000 recently) rather than the "median" income, stubborn insistence on referring to it as "household" income instead of "personal" income, misstating one term for the other, which I am guessing CNN did, and one link that states it to be about $31,000 in 2015.

If you can find a U.S. Census statement on median personal income in the USA, all jobs and demographics included, I would like to take at look at that as well.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1936103]If you can find a U.S. Census statement on median personal income in the USA, all jobs and demographics included, I would like to take at look at that as well.[/QUOTE]Yes, I took the CNN report to be referring to "household" income as well. Here's some info from the US Social Security Administration that looks at average versus median net compensation relying upon the distribution of individual workers by wage level (data available only through 2014):

[URL]https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/central.html[/URL]

What we see is an individual median compensation level that is much, much lower than the household median income that CNN stated. It's from 2014, but looking at the trend data we can be confident that median net compensation for individual workers in 2016 is also going to be well below the $56,000 household median income referred to by CNN.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1935935]If you have ever given a chick money or set them up with houses or whatever else then there will be no sure fire way of knowing if she really cares for you. Where did doing this shit come from anyway? I have had plenty of Thai chicks/girlfriends that I have not had to give one silver baht to. (I pay hookers, not girlfriends.) Very easy to know whether they care about you or not in that situation. It makes more sense using your money to rent pussy than trying to buy love. Besides, if I wanted to take care of somebody then I have a long list of family members that I know could use extra money rather than forking it over to some chick that I am fucking.[/QUOTE]From now on any guy here who says he has a Thai girlfriend must tell us if she's earning money by spreading her legs. A girlfriend who fucks others for money is still a hooker, just not one that takes money from one guy. Lets not sugar coat it, if she doesn't need your money and can be barfined and she's not in your sights 24/7 then she's a hooker. You can call her a girlfriend but everyone else is calling her what she is. This isn't directed towards Mr E, just laying down the rules of what is and what isn't a girlfriend (at least in the hooker sense).

I know a counter argument might be 'ohhh, she's barfine'able but she won't go with customers'. My response, that's a load of crap. How do you really know? You have a small dick and she's always got large condoms in her purse is a clue. Or you have a large dick and she's got a bunch of Japanese condoms on hand. The Cane announces he's in town and her asshole is three times its normal size is a dead giveaway.

In the end though, if the girl moves in with you and works in the 'industry' do you provide financial support for the peace of mind that she's not spreading her legs or letting The Cane piledrive her ass into oblivion? Or do you accept that your standing your ground while she's laying down?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1936103]Just want to add that amount is usually stated as "household" income, which could mean two or even three incomes combined within the same household. Finding the median "personal" income for individual Americans is kind of tricky.[/QUOTE]I know a lot of people who have to work multiple jobs just to make ends meet. At the same time, there are people working Tech jobs who get very decent income. There are a lot of people living on poverty in USA. I have decided to retire and my income will drop from $150,000 / year to just 24,000 / year social security. I have no regrets. No way will I work till I die. I have some money saved and will get get decent money from the sale of my house. New horizons and now journeys await.

I came here to read some FRs and get an idea of what places to visit during my next Pattaya visit, but instead I am surprised to have to go through meaningless arguments that has nothing to do with this forum.

Guys, please keep your conversations private if you want to argue about income, that is not what this forum is for!

[QUOTE=Breadman;1936138]From now on any guy here who says he has a Thai girlfriend must tell us if she's earning money by spreading her legs. A girlfriend who fucks others for money is still a hooker, just not one that takes money from one guy. Lets not sugar coat it, if she doesn't need your money and can be barfined and she's not in your sights 24/7 then she's a hooker. You can call her a girlfriend but everyone else is calling her what she is.[/QUOTE]You have the strangest ideas!

Why cannot a GF also be a hooker? Unless you define a GF as someone whose sexual services are uniquely provided to one person only. I thought that concept was called "marriage".