Rio de Janeiro Reports

Rodeo,

First off. Thanks for taking the time to write such detailed and informative reports about your Rio adventures. And for sharing the great pics. Seems like your experiences support much of what has been written here about venues, the ladies, negotiating tactics, etc. I enjoyed reading them and will certainly take your recommendations under consideration when I visit these locations later this month and again in November. Much appreciated.

However, I do have a few comments to make on your most recent report:

Your claim that "many-a-garota" don't like white men as lovers and prefer black men and "they seemed to delight in the idea of taking large sums of money for little work with their white sex partners" is ridiculous. You stated you do not think they were saying this to you because you are black. You should know by now that GDP's will say whatever they have to to close a deal and make someone feel special. And it seems you bought into it. I can tell you that I have had a dozen different garotas (black, white, mulata) all complain that they do not like to go with black Americans as they are way too rough (like to pull hair and slap their asses and faces). Of course there are different strokes for different folks and there are garotas that like it rough. But I also did not discount the fact that they may have been saying some of this to me because I am white. And they may have felt it would make some difference to me (it wouldn't have.) But they all seemed to describe the rough behavior in the same way. And I can tell you personally that the ladies I am with have to work hard for the money, and they don't seem to complain.

You also seem to infer that it is the white mongers that are bad negotiators and are driving up the prices. Not sure if that was your point. If that was indeed your point. It is ridiculous. Your negotiating tips are simple common sense and "Negotiating 101" for mongers both black and white. Many members (both black and white) have written chapter and verse on negotiating tactics and inexpensive places.

I personally do not understand why race has to even enter into the discussions here. Your reports were of great interest without having to go there. Of course, we had that idiot posting a few weeks back and that was unfortunate. C'mon guys. It is all pink inside!

Thanks again for all the enjoyable reading and pics.

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[QUOTE=Rodeo9112]1- They don't like white men as lovers, whether Brazilian, American, Canadian or European, that was the honest breakdown I got from at least 5 girls; what was odd about this is that most of the women that said this were white-skinned. They claim to prefer 'black' men because black men give them good, long sex and orgasms more often than not. Of course, one could argue that these girls were playing to me because I am a black man, but I don't think so; it seemed genuine when they said it and they seemed to delight in the idea of taking large sums of money for little work with their white sex partners.[/QUOTE]
Rodeo, thanks for sharing great reports and photos.

Just a small comment directed to the mongers who havn't yet had the opportunity to meet brazilian GPs. Don't worry about your skin colour. No matter whatever colour you are you will hear that the GPs prefer your colour. Doesn't matter if you are white, black, brown, yellow or green.

MY experience in Brazil, with both GPs and regular girls, is that they prefer blond and blue eyed men. Specially the blue eyes got me very far and opened up for a lot of free bunda. :D The explanation to this might be that being blond and having blue eyes is a bit of rarity in Brazil. Opposites attracts...

What I heard from the GPs, in Copa, is that on the toplist of their favourite customers are black americans as they pay so well. ;)

[QUOTE=Sperto]My experience in Brazil, with both GPs and regular girls, is that they prefer blond and blue eyed men. The explanation to this might be that being blond and having blue eyes is a bit of rarity in Brazil. Opposites attracts.

What I heard from the GPs, in Copa, is that on the toplist of their favourite customers are black americans as they pay so well.[/QUOTE]I've heard the same thing being I am blond with blue eyes. I also hear that here in the states when I attend a Brazilian party or festival in Newark, NJ. I occasionally get together with a few different women from there. One calls me "My Blue Eyes" and the other "Azul". I believe they are genuinely fascinated with the different look. I also believe the GDPs like it in Rio. But I never fully believe anything they have to say as they are always in sales mode.

[quote=sperto]rodeo, thanks for sharing great reports and photos.

just a small comment directed to the mongers who havn't yet had the opportunity to meet brazilian gps. don't worry about your skin colour. no matter whatever colour you are you will hear that the gps prefer your colour. doesn't matter if you are white, black, brown, yellow or green.[/quote]

[quote=hughdad] but i never fully believe anything they have to say as they are always in sales mode.[/quote]the girls will tell you pretty much anything they think you want to hear. the only real color they see is green. don't worry about it. just go and have a ball. in a figure of speech, if loving them is wrong, i don't want to be right.

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Everone knows this girl.

She's in some movies too.

Anyone knows if her dark haired, and beautifully colored friend Lana is still working in Help?

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112]Friday: Ahh yes, Friday, or as they say in Rio: sexta-feira! It was another late start for me, finally giving the boot to whatever ***** I took from Help last night. For those that are curious, yes, the GDPs are starting their asking prices at 500-600R. It doesn't seem like most of them really expect to get that much, or, at least, they know WHO to expect that much from. Over the past few days, I've talked to many-a-garota from Help/Meia Pataca/etcetera who broke down their logic: 1- They don't like white men as lovers, whether Brazilian, American, Canadian or European, that was the honest breakdown I got from at least 5 girls; what was odd about this is that most of the women that said this were white-skinned. They claim to prefer 'black' men because black men give them good, long sex and orgasms more often than not. Of course, one could argue that these girls were playing to me because I am a black man, but I don't think so; it seemed genuine when they said it and they seemed to delight in the idea of taking large sums of money for little work with their white sex partners. I'm not judging anyone, just putting out there what these women are saying behind our (collective) backs. Stop overpaying; none of them are worth it and you're only hurting yourself, just sac up and resist a little!

2- They expect you to counter their overpriced offers. If you just say no, without countering, they won't lower the price; you have to go the extra step to actually tell them what you think they are worth. HINT: always lowball, because they will only go down a bit initially from their original price, then they expect you to go up a bit from yours and then, you meet somewhere in the middle. If you're smart, you can actually use this negotiating time to get other extras (photos, anal, other freaky shit) thrown in.

3- The GDPs from HELP work there almost, if not every night. Money is constantly at the forefront of their mind. However, the HELP GDP, just like all women want to get away and feel and be treated like a lady whenever possible. If you can offer them something of value, besides money (its a hard sell, but your game has to be tight); I. E. A cool, comfortable bed with nice music, good food and good sex, as well as respect, she will be putty in your hand. 4- As if it hasn't been hammered home already on this forum, the earlier you go to HELP, the higher the prices are likely to stick. Anytime after 1:30am was good for me. The more standoffish you are, chances are, the more likely you are to find the GDP for you. You can watch for the ones who are watching everyone, then watch the ones that are only watching you. I even like to try to sneak up on the ones who haven't even noticed me yet--throws off their negotiations.

5- These bitches TALK! Yo, by the end of my trip, I had HELP girls telling me who I took from HELP, what we did together, how my apartment looked; it was actually kind of scary. Of course, WE talk as well! So, I knew alot about some of the bitches beforehand, allowing me to make informed decisions.

6- Don't go to HELP with the baby milk on the brain! Meaning, don't go to HELP with a NEED to fuck some *****. Get one earlier in the night (from Meia Pataca or Balcony or wherever), then you can just go to HELP and chill; if something happens, then it happens, if not, you're not desperate and don't make dumb decisions!

7- Learn how to give these garotas. Da DICK! Its amazing how low the prices will go once word gets around that you're either giving girls multiple orgasms and fucking their back out or makin' them drip with a hurricane tongue! Think about it, if some dude told you a ***** gave him a 1 hour BJ, swallowed, kept going after you came, was drooling all over the whole time without using her hands, wouldn't you be looking for her ass the next night? I know I would!

8- Watch what dudes you hang with. For better or worse, the GDPs will associate you with whomever you are talking to. If you're talking with a bunch of losers, cheapskates, or otherwise assholes, you will be labeled as such. On the other hand, if you are around a bunch of cool ass dudes, like I always seem to run into, you'll be surprised how the ass magnetizes to you. Serious. Yeah, its all about the mighty Real, but, girls like game too, no matter where they are.

9- Never let a GDP know how beautiful she is. Treat her initially like she is just another fish in the sea, no matter how much you like her. Your indifference, if she is remotely interested in you, will drive her crazy and cause her to try harder to stand out and make you happy.

Okay, back to the report:

So, I had to meet up with A158 and we were supposed to hit up some more Centro Massage spots prior to hitting 4x4 again. We ended up not hitting any massage places, stopping for some food and hooking up with two other debonnaire players from ISG: Sami and BigBlkBootyLuvr. We gave them the lowdown on what we had done so far, then were off to 4x4, where, yes, I smashed some major ass. Now look, I can't remember this *****'s name, only that she had a ridiculous ass and some small, gray eyes! Doesn't matter, I got pics! I gave some recommendations to Sami, BlackBooty Lover and A158 and they all took my advice. Once again! After all that shit was over, we headed out to Help!

We couldn't have been in Help for 45 minutes when I spotted. Her! Her is Juliana, the porn star.coming out of the bathroom and unattached! I pointed her out to Sami and was like, "dude, did you see that. You think I should? " Before I could finish the thought, I grabbed her by the arm and said, "hey, how much? " She was as thrown off and shocked as I was, but gave the warmest smile and said "Wow! How about 300R? " Although I was willing to pay 300 easy for those tits alone, I had to put up a fight. I went down to 200 and we met comfortably at 250R. And, dude, all the prices I've quoted you for HELP have been all-night prices (meaning from the time we leave until like 1pm). If you are paying all night prices and kicking the girl out after 2 hours, you are getting robbed! Now, I have to let you know, it wasn't until a few days later that anyone told me she was a porn star (yes, I missed the whole long thread on Juliana including the video links and all). But, I had no doubt after we got to my apartment that she had porn star virtues. Seriously, I think this girl is a nymphomaniac, for real. She WOULD NOT STOP! We fucked on and off from about 3am to 7:30am. I remember telling her I was going to take a break and get us some chocolate ice cream from the fridge. I came back with the ice cream and started eating it. She said "I don't want no fucking ice cream, I want the chocolate bar" and started sucking my dick like her life depended on it while I was eating ice cream. I was in heaven. Later that morning after a few hours of sleep, after I had made us breakfast (which she didn't eat), while I was eating breakfast, she starts going to town on my dick again! Man, I love this girl. I thought seriously about just keeping her the rest of my time there. Once again, I had just had the best sex of my life! I think she REALLY dug me because she left 3 email addresses, 2 cell phone numbers and the number to her mom's house in Bahia. She will always be on my must see list when I go to Rio. She's the truth--Juliana--bet! By the way, her body is fucking tight! She may have a little bit of a belly, but in no way would I call her fat. Definitely not enough to be a disqualifier. Do not pass her up, I'm tellin you!

That was my day bitches! Hope you like the pics.

Rode-fuckin-o

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[QUOTE=Sperto]The explanation to this might be that being blond and having blue eyes is a bit of rarity in Brazil. Opposites attracts...
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hughdad]I occasionally get together with a few different women from there. One calls me "My Blue Eyes" and the other "Azul". I believe they are genuinely fascinated with the different look. [/QUOTE]
Another explanation might be that being light-skinned, blond, and blue-eyed is clearly interpreted a certain way in Brazil (as a matter of fact, all over Latin-America): you're upper class. It doesn't matter whether you actually are upper-crust or any of the things that Latin-Americans usually associate with that (well-to-do, educated, etc.), it's their perception that matters in that respect: light-skinned generally means rich, dark-skinned generally means poor. That's what they've learned over centuries. As a light-skinned, blue-eyed, blond European guy, I can specifically vouch for Mexico, where I live :)

Just take a look at all the announcers on TV, the models, and the vast majority of soap opera actors in Brazil, and you get that point. Or in any Latin-American country, for that matter, really. (Northern) European looks are the looks of the rich and famous, plain and simple. They are so vastly non-representative of the average skin color in Latin-America that it's pretty disgraceful, actually.

In other words: as soon as you meet their perceived ideal of beauty, you might just be their "trophy" guy. Or "trophy" client.

EA

P.S.: A very good British friend of mine here in Mexico always tells me that, compared to Europe, as a European, you bat at least 2 above average in Mexico, meaning that if you manage to pull 6s and 7s in Europe, in Mexico you will manage to pulls 8s and 9s. Just because you're: white, blond, and blue-eyed, nothing else. Based on my personal experience, Brazil isn't any different in this respect.

[QUOTE=Hughdad] You should know by now that GDP's will say whatever they have to to close a deal and make someone feel special. (...)[/QUOTE]
To paraphrase this priceless advice of Hughdad, here is one line that has served me very well when I was in Rio, "If the girl's mouth is moving, she's lying". You simply cannot trust anything a GDP tells you unless there is irrefutable evidence to the contrary, and no, that doesn't include her GDP friends saying that she is right.

Anything she tells you that might make her appear in an even slightly more favorable light, let alone outright benefits her, you might as well just ignore. Especially GDS recounting their preferences over one type of monger over others, just total BS. I recall numerous experiences overhearing garotas at TA or MP bitterly complaining about (insert any nationality/race) and, five minutes later, after being approached by (insert any nationality/race), greatly exhorting their virtues. I even recall cases where they figured, hey, the guy doesn't speak any Portuguese, they would call (insert any nationality/race) their preferred customers ever in English while, at the same time, plotting in Portuguese with their friends how to rip them off for any penny they had.

They are just like used car salesmen. Just prettier and more feminine, but also more used :)

EA

[QUOTE=Bizzie]Doesn't really matter much if Help closes as long as something similar become available. I mean there should be a 'take-out' alternative to the fuck-on-the spot options like Termas and VM.
For all I care, they could name the new place "Pleh" and put it on the otherside of NS copacabana.[/QUOTE]

Well there is more than one scenario for this:

Help management might not want to give up their business and and want to open up a similar type club and have all the GDP's go there after Help is closed. The government might strike a deal with them to do this just to get them out of Help, this is just my opinion. They could offer them Bingo Arpoador even though it has already been expropriated, they could relax that and let them have it just to take over the Help location.

On the other hand if Help just closes then the Gdp's can take over any club in Copa, what could stop them? After all Help was a regular club once back in 1984, it wasn't until the late 80's that the Gdp's infiltrated the place completely and the rest is history.

For example they can start going to Bunker 94 in Copa, near the Sofitel, Mongers can follow, the current clientele would be pushed out, the GDp's could establish a new home base. They can do this anywhere, can't deny them entrance and you can't deny the mongers entrance.

You'll see, after Help is closed and I hope it doesn't another ground zero will be established somewhere in Copa. After all the monger business is more 7 days a week as opposed to local partiers who party mostly on the weekend, so the owners might welcome this new steady business.

Geez, and all along I thought the ladies ( insert gdp and/or regular ladies)were into the color green......I am such a fool!!!!!!!!!!!

RonnyRon......you got it right....and it can be applied to almost every woman on this planet.

[QUOTE=Carlos Primeros]I will follow your recommendation and will go to Chocolate - this one is new to me.[/QUOTE]Carlos - all details on this link - have fun.

[url]http://www.mobilenative.com/record.php?poi_id=Gz_AZMjmVeA%3D[/url]

On my August trip to Rio, I met up with Geofagus in order to check out some of the Centro termas.
Using Sperto’s map as a guide we started with the infamous BA85. This place has to be seen in order to be believed! A spiral wrought iron staircase extending up 5 floors! Despite what anyone says, it is only wide enough for only ONE person. We walk to the top and work our way down. And work it is, very hard on the thigh muscles! On each floor there is a large room with the classic sleazy red lighting. Usually a bar at one end, maybe a few chairs, and some half naked women strolling about. The numbers vary from as few as 3 to as many as 7 or 8. Quality was not over 7, and that’s being generous. However that could vary depending on the day or time. The girls also hang around outside of the casa near the staircase, giving you a better view. Some floors also have prices (drinks) posted on the wall near the entrance. You need to speak at least basic Porto. Also, each floor has music (usually funk) blaring!
Next was Rua do Ouvidor, 130, #707 (aka Stella/Hollywood). Nice selection of girls (about 6 or 7) wearing little jaguar outfits, rooms in the back. Excellent prices (R20 a pop/ R40 per dupla).
Then on to Travessa do Ouvidor, 37, A large room, well lit with and older lady behind the counter. Only 2 girls at that time (one mulatta spinner), but very friendly and tried very hard to convince us to stay!
After that Geo had one not on the list Av. Almirante Barroso, 6 #304/305. We went there twice, and saw 3 out of 4 girls, an average blond, a short muscular morena, and a thick mulatta with a great personality. Geo’s eyes lit up. I think she’s his next baby’s mama! :)
On to Av. Rio Branco, 156 #1706 was some kind of school, #1825 no answer, #3330 a CD/DVD transfer business, and #3320, a nice clean setup, nice selection of good-looking women, however one of them told us that all the girls do covered BJ’s.
Rio Branco 181, 2 girls, sheets should have been changed about 2 months ago. If you want a girl with a gap between her teeth, then this is the place for you.
Rio Branco, 185 #1829 (Flavia massagem) no answer, #2114 paradise! This place had an excellent selection of about 15 to 20 girls, very clean, got very busy around 6pm. And I can also verify that Susanny (about 5’4) is carrying considerable “junk in the trunk”!

It was great hanging with you Geo! Next time we hit the rest of the list!

[QUOTE=Cho 637]On to Av. Rio Branco, 156 #1706 was some kind of school, #1825 no answer, #3330 a CD/DVD transfer business...[/QUOTE]
Nice report.
Cho, I think you were using the list from March 2007
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=82884[/url]
Sala 1706, 1825 and 3330 all moved two years ago.

Next time try the list from March 2009
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=875442&postcount=1030[/url]

[QUOTE=Mangera]Geez, and all along I thought the ladies ( insert gdp and/or regular ladies)were into the color green......I am such a fool!!!!!!!!!!!

RonnyRon......you got it right....and it can be applied to almost every woman on this planet.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, you have guys on here who actually think that brasilian women prefer one race over another!! Thats the stupidest shit I have ever heard of, especialy, considering you can find every shade under the rainbow in brasil!!

[QUOTE=Hughdad]Rodeo,

First off. Thanks for taking the time to write such detailed and informative reports about your Rio adventures. And for sharing the great pics. Seems like your experiences support much of what has been written here about venues, the ladies, negotiating tactics, etc. I enjoyed reading them and will certainly take your recommendations under consideration when I visit these locations later this month and again in November. Much appreciated.

However, I do have a few comments to make on your most recent report:

Your claim that "many-a-garota" don't like white men as lovers and prefer black men and "they seemed to delight in the idea of taking large sums of money for little work with their white sex partners" is ridiculous. You stated you do not think they were saying this to you because you are black. You should know by now that GDP's will say whatever they have to to close a deal and make someone feel special. And it seems you bought into it. I can tell you that I have had a dozen different garotas (black, white, mulata) all complain that they do not like to go with black Americans as they are way too rough (like to pull hair and slap their asses and faces). Of course there are different strokes for different folks and there are garotas that like it rough. But I also did not discount the fact that they may have been saying some of this to me because I am white. And they may have felt it would make some difference to me (it wouldn't have.) But they all seemed to describe the rough behavior in the same way. And I can tell you personally that the ladies I am with have to work hard for the money, and they don't seem to complain.

You also seem to infer that it is the white mongers that are bad negotiators and are driving up the prices. Not sure if that was your point. If that was indeed your point. It is ridiculous. Your negotiating tips are simple common sense and "Negotiating 101" for mongers both black and white. Many members (both black and white) have written chapter and verse on negotiating tactics and inexpensive places.

I personally do not understand why race has to even enter into the discussions here. Your reports were of great interest without having to go there. Of course, we had that idiot posting a few weeks back and that was unfortunate. C'mon guys. It is all pink inside!

Thanks again for all the enjoyable reading and pics.

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Don't be a fool and belive them.

Only someone weak or suffering from retardation will belive what a GDP tells them. They love fools like that. It's all part off there game.