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[QUOTE=LaBambaBoy;2268197]This trip will be my first time with a car; is there free parking at Shari's? Safe enough?
Thanks everyone.[/QUOTE]Free parking. Pretty safe. But you better not have even one alcoholic drink or any drug in your body while driving, else you will be picked up by the local Polizei, at least a 50% chance.
[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2268385]Chongmal,
First of all thanks for all your contributions and enjoy the new year in fantasy land. I do think Gino is referring to vaginal AO. I think it is much more in practice than many think. My first trip there (and the girls knew I was new) I was in a double in Mainhatten and one of the two offered me AO when I mentioned it was hard to cum in the condom. However she asked for 1 K. At that point I knew it was there but did not negotiate it. My next stop was Oase where it was once again offered again for a very high price but she came down to 200 e (on top of the 50 e BBBJ / Fuck / DATY) session we were in; hindsight 20/20 I should have offered her 100 on top of the 50 and walked out with AO for 150 total. Than it was off to Berlin for a week where it was offered at Artemis for a very high price, I didn't bother negotiating it. Over time it happened a few times sometimes the WG just did it no charge, one time the condom broke and she told me not to stop and the next few times were all AO and recently I got it on the cheap included for 100 actually offered for 50 but decided best to give her 100 for a few reasons.
I am told by others it is rampant at Sharks and Oase but can't say for sure from experience recently but I can say just looking at the Mainhatten girls going off my gut, experiences and ' clues' that it is a gold mine of AO waiting to be tapped but I think it is due to my regularity and girls using ' AO as a weapon' to entice, steal and or keep a client much the same as here. I know a girl who is AO now who used to work Paradise and AO there is very common per her but for the regulars not the ' walk ins' unless they want to pay a fortune which is what I suspect the Mainhatten, Oase and Artemis girls all tried on me my first trip as I was new and they went for the kill but in doing so told me it is readily available.
I think becoming regular at one club is one's best bet for AO (on top of money) and I could be wrong but I suspect the local Germans probably know who these girls all are and probably have their own groups and perhaps even private forums as we do here where they are invite only and all guys share the names. If you ask me if a list were published of all the Sharks and Oase girls who did AO there would be tons of grossed out and or heartbroken and many jealous guys. Just in the last few days two maybe three posters have said they did AO with some of Siri's regulars.
IMHO if a guy is seeing a girl regularly at 200 e plus a visit or even less and isn't getting AO and likes AO he is spinning his tires in the mud and she either 1) won't AO him or 2) he needs to find another girl who will.
AO is a service just as much as BBBJ or DFK or CIM or Anal etc. , it is for sale, up to the buyer to find it if they want it and if they want it and are paying a regular steadily and not getting it time to find another. I will also add I think there are many girls who will not AO at all however with so many girls in each club if it is your thing it is there, go forth and find it![/QUOTE]I won't suggest I am an expert, but in researching Austria, it appears AO is legal and offered as a matter of course at many venues. It is called Natur Spritzen (CIP) and publically advertises on various girls pages. So I would assume easier to come by and at a cheaper price than Germany. FWIW.
Of course every place in Darmstadt is very safe. The 50% chance is exaggerated by about two orders of magniute. At least. I live in Germany, and "enjoy" a drug control about every other year, and drive 30,000 km / annum.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2268396]Free parking. Pretty safe. But you better not have even one alcoholic drink or any drug in your body while driving, else you will be picked up by the local Polizei, at least a 50% chance.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2268385]Chongmal,
First of all thanks for all your contributions and enjoy the new year in fantasy land. I do think Gino is referring to vaginal AO. I think it is much more in practice than many think. My first trip there (and the girls knew I was new) I was in a double in Mainhatten and one of the two offered me AO when I mentioned it was hard to cum in the condom. However she asked for 1 K. At that point I knew it was there but did not negotiate it. My next stop was Oase where it was once again offered again for a very high price but she came down to 200 e (on top of the 50 e BBBJ / Fuck / DATY) session we were in; hindsight 20/20 I should have offered her 100 on top of the 50 and walked out with AO for 150 total. Than it was off to Berlin for a week where it was offered at Artemis for a very high price, I didn't bother negotiating it. Over time it happened a few times sometimes the WG just did it no charge, one time the condom broke and she told me not to stop and the next few times were all AO and recently I got it on the cheap included for 100 actually offered for 50 but decided best to give her 100 for a few reasons.
I am told by others it is rampant at Sharks and Oase but can't say for sure from experience recently but I can say just looking at the Mainhatten girls going off my gut, experiences and ' clues' that it is a gold mine of AO waiting to be tapped but I think it is due to my regularity and girls using ' AO as a weapon' to entice, steal and or keep a client much the same as here. I know a girl who is AO now who used to work Paradise and AO there is very common per her but for the regulars not the ' walk ins' unless they want to pay a fortune which is what I suspect the Mainhatten, Oase and Artemis girls all tried on me my first trip as I was new and they went for the kill but in doing so told me it is readily available.
I think becoming regular at one club is one's best bet for AO (on top of money) and I could be wrong but I suspect the local Germans probably know who these girls all are and probably have their own groups and perhaps even private forums as we do here where they are invite only and all guys share the names. If you ask me if a list were published of all the Sharks and Oase girls who did AO there would be tons of grossed out and or heartbroken and many jealous guys. Just in the last few days two maybe three posters have said they did AO with some of Siri's regulars.
IMHO if a guy is seeing a girl regularly at 200 e plus a visit or even less and isn't getting AO and likes AO he is spinning his tires in the mud and she either 1) won't AO him or 2) he needs to find another girl who will.
AO is a service just as much as BBBJ or DFK or CIM or Anal etc. , it is for sale, up to the buyer to find it if they want it and if they want it and are paying a regular steadily and not getting it time to find another. I will also add I think there are many girls who will not AO at all however with so many girls in each club if it is your thing it is there, go forth and find it![/QUOTE]You both are right on the money KK and Optimist. I also feel that AO became more common offer in previously non-AO clubs after the new law in 2017. Some girls told me that Clubs no longer specifically ban AO as both AO and BBBJ are equally illegal so they can't control one and not the other one. Many of them feel that if I'm breaking the law, might as well go for the maximum possible money or my pleasure or both. Even some of the older top girls who used to be non-AO (but BBBJ and CIM) are changing mindset to this business. For the new younger WGs, sex education in Germany (part of getting the WG license paper) is now refrain from both BBBJ and AO (use condoms for both), but when they start in a club (or a house / RLD) their older guiding sisters (aka Romanian cartels) tell them they can charge extra for BBBJ as club can no longer force them to provide BBBJ for any session, and they add up in their mind that they can also charge extra for AO. Kinda like BBBJ is the new illegal gateway-drug into full AO with CIP etc. Once you push or encourage someone to break the law, it's mostly a slippery slope. Even big clubs lost all controls they used to have about AO. Now you can have BBBJ with full AO in kinos or gardens in most FKKs as long as both the girl and the guy are willing, club management will likely turn a blind eye to maintain business.
[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2268385]Chongmal,
First of all thanks for all your contributions and enjoy the new year in fantasy land. I do think Gino is referring to vaginal AO. I think it is much more in practice than many think. My first trip there (and the girls knew I was new) I was in a double in Mainhatten and one of the two offered me AO when I mentioned it was hard to cum in the condom. However she asked for 1 K. At that point I knew it was there but did not negotiate it. My next stop was Oase where it was once again offered again for a very high price but she came down to 200 e (on top of the 50 e BBBJ / Fuck / DATY) session we were in; hindsight 20/20 I should have offered her 100 on top of the 50 and walked out with AO for 150 total. Than it was off to Berlin for a week where it was offered at Artemis for a very high price, I didn't bother negotiating it. Over time it happened a few times sometimes the WG just did it no charge, one time the condom broke and she told me not to stop and the next few times were all AO and recently I got it on the cheap included for 100 actually offered for 50 but decided best to give her 100 for a few reasons.
I am told by others it is rampant at Sharks and Oase but can't say for sure from experience recently but I can say just looking at the Mainhatten girls going off my gut, experiences and ' clues' that it is a gold mine of AO waiting to be tapped but I think it is due to my regularity and girls using ' AO as a weapon' to entice, steal and or keep a client much the same as here. I know a girl who is AO now who used to work Paradise and AO there is very common per her but for the regulars not the ' walk ins' unless they want to pay a fortune which is what I suspect the Mainhatten, Oase and Artemis girls all tried on me my first trip as I was new and they went for the kill but in doing so told me it is readily available.[/QUOTE]Interesting, the reason I asked is some posters say AO in reference to OO. In the clubs I attend I've known a few that AO, but rarely are they my choice of woman type. The one I know who is my type got pregnant and claimed to a client he was the father. I say, from how many men she did that with what makes your sperm special. I personally never pursued AO. I'm happy stroking in my gummies but enjoy a traditional BJ. If a girl approaches with harsh cum breath I probably shy away. Simple hygiene is appreciated. Same goes for a stinky vagina. A couple times I've been about ten stroke in and had to pull out and cancel the session. When the girl asked why I told her I can't handle the smell.
I guess I'm not totally hard core. If one of my favorites is doing AO I won't stop if I know, as long as she delivers for me what I want.
[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2268385]Just in the last few days two maybe three posters have said they did AO with some of Siri's regulars.[/QUOTE]One was only telling about CIM, and as I told to the second: I would like to see how he looks like and how girls look at him when they see him, but he didn't answer. In this bullshit business, I only believe what I see with my own eyes and what I experience, but for sure, not all what is written on internet.
Anyway, risks I was telling about, are with AO girls fucked AO whole days, usually not pretty girls and forbidden by new law, not girls who fuck with their BF, or are so in love for a client to will to feel his hot cum deep inside of their belly. Usually, women in love don't ask for money, because they want to give her good image to their lover.
[QUOTE=MrHo;2267725]Well it is about time till new alternative to condom should be invented. Pill is good, but not convenient, so I hope some kind of gel or something is more nicer and real feel of bareback as it is bareback. Let us hope for such a new biotechnology then we all can be more happy mongers LOL![/QUOTE]Perhaps a nano tech gel with 50% programmed to detect and kill bacteria and virus and 50% programmed to provide stimulation. I like the thought. Now we just need to find a Japanese lab to do the are&the on the idea. I'm sure with the advances in nano tech it can't be so far off.
[QUOTE=MrHo;2267725]Well it is about time till new alternative to condom should be invented. Pill is good, but not convenient, so I hope some kind of gel or something is more nicer and real feel of bareback as it is bareback. Let us hope for such a new biotechnology then we all can be more happy mongers LOL![/QUOTE]Perhaps a nano tech gel with 50% programmed to detect and kill bacteria and virus and 50% programmed to provide stimulation. I like the thought. Now we just need to find a Japanese lab to do the R&D on the idea. I'm sure with the advances in nano tech it can't be so far off.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2268409]Of course every place in Darmstadt is very safe. The 50% chance is exaggerated by about two orders of magniute. At least. I live in Germany, and "enjoy" a drug control about every other year, and drive 30,000 km / annum.[/QUOTE]But you probably forgot to consider that the Polizei in Darmstadt who are on stage near Sharks are one of the most "entertaining" bunch? 😂.
[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2268385]
First of all thanks for all your contributions and enjoy the new year in fantasy land. I do think Gino is referring to vaginal AO.
AO is a service just as much as BBBJ or DFK or CIM or Anal etc. , it is for sale, up to the buyer to find it if they want it and if they want it and are paying a regular steadily and not getting it time to find another. I will also add I think there are many girls who will not AO at all however with so many girls in each club if it is your thing it is there, go forth and find it![/QUOTE]KK, kudos as well for your contributions. Good recap of the AO situation. I've been curious about going raw sometimes too since I've gotten to the point where I mostly don't fuck because condoms. The problem for me is being on a scene long enough to gain the necessary trust. Goals for the new year LOL.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2268412] Now you can have BBBJ with full AO in kinos or gardens in most FKKs as long as both the girl and the guy are willing, club management will likely turn a blind eye to maintain business.[/QUOTE]I saw BBBJ in a kino last trip and this was never the case until recently at Mainhatten. I also saw a girl (German worked Sakura for long time) prior month fucking in the hot tub and her purse was not in arms length and not one condom wrapper nearby, later I told her I wanted the session he got she said ' we were just grinding' the next time I asked her she told me ' he did more than the half hour' almost a clear hint book her for 1-2+ hours she will AO. I saw multiple BBBJ's in the garden too something ' taboo' months ago and in 2017 never done. I agree the clubs have lightened up a tad; I saw girls at Oase riding guys last trip but no clue if was bare or not it is dark by the screen. A non-frequent (maybe 1-2 times every other year visitor to Oase) I know also reviewed here a girl simply AO'ed him w / o ' permission' in what appears to be an attempt to make more money if I recall correctly.
Just curious are German girls in to AO more as a higher percentage than others? I ask only because my first AO was a German gal, the girl who offered it at Artemis was German (I am an idiot she was fucking gorgeous and I should have counter offered her, this girl I saw in the hot tub was German (and on my to see list) and another German girl at a club on a recent visit hinted when she said ' I will give you what the others won't' which could mean a price break or a free CIM but my gut is she is AO as girls all know who is AO in many cases and she came on to me ironically right after I had AO with that other girl.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2268408]I won't suggest I am an expert, but in researching Austria, it appears AO is legal and offered as a matter of course at many venues. It is called Natur Spritzen (CIP) and publically advertises on various girls pages. So I would assume easier to come by and at a cheaper price than Germany. FWIW.[/QUOTE]Yes, I look at the booksusi site (and others) for indies and studios and the term you posted I see as well as ' Reinsritzen'; sometime it is +20 e other times fixed. It appears to me best to stay by the Westbahnhoff station and you are in walking distance to the studios and it looks like for a half hour 50-70 no more than 90 gets you the AO cum dump package and better deal on the hour but I would just studio hop. The indies seem very reliable per my readings and most are really cheap even for two hours. This one recently suffered a DNA blasted cervix by a friend.
[URL]https://booksusi.com/hostessen/wien/kim-ao-moglich-auch-haus-u.html[/URL]
Only problem with the studios is some seem to force you right in to a lineup much like the Spanish brothels although couches and bars are in all the pictures. No chance to interview so you almost need to memorize the profiles as some will not do AO others are AO Light and most offer full Gypsy services. With no desire to do the Austrian FKK clubs I think Vienna best served as a 3 days side trip and the bookends Frankfurt clubs / RLD
or in our cases we can go to Mainhatten and Palace and get ' ripped off and overpay but leave ecstatic ' and get lectured by Der Auslander and Gino ! :D :D
[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2268458]I saw BBBJ in a kino last trip and this was never the case until recently at Mainhatten. I also saw a girl (German worked Sakura for long time) prior month fucking in the hot tub and her purse was not in arms length and not one condom wrapper nearby, later I told her I wanted the session he got she said ' we were just grinding' the next time I asked her she told me ' he did more than the half hour' almost a clear hint book her for 1-2+ hours she will AO. I saw multiple BBBJ's in the garden too something ' taboo' months ago and in 2017 never done. I agree the clubs have lightened up a tad; I saw girls at Oase riding guys last trip but no clue if was bare or not it is dark by the screen. A non-frequent (maybe 1-2 times every other year visitor to Oase) I know also reviewed here a girl simply AO'ed him w / o ' permission' in what appears to be an attempt to make more money if I recall correctly.
Just curious are German girls in to AO more as a higher percentage than others? I ask only because my first AO was a German gal, the girl who offered it at Artemis was German (I am an idiot she was fucking gorgeous and I should have counter offered her, this girl I saw in the hot tub was German (and on my to see list) and another German girl at a club on a recent visit hinted when she said ' I will give you what the others won't' which could mean a price break or a free CIM but my gut is she is AO as girls all know who is AO in many cases and she came on to me ironically right after I had AO with that other girl.[/QUOTE]Sorry but I saw so many times every thing without condom and I think that you are also in that. The girls have no choice that to do the maximum to earn money but we have the choice and only the very st. Mongers are doing AO with a prostitutes in a German FKK.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2268412]I also feel that AO became more common offer in previously non-AO clubs after the new law in 2017. Some girls told me that Clubs no longer specifically ban AO as both AO and BBBJ are equally illegal so they can't control one and not the other one. Many of them feel that if I'm breaking the law, might as well go for the maximum possible money or my pleasure or both.[/QUOTE]Super! We have another AO discussion here. And it will be going on for weeks.
I remember those days when nobody knew about the term AO and everybody was fucking without condoms in the RLD in Frankfurt. That was quite some time before HIV appeared and changed the scene, and a long time before FKK clubs (with a lot of polymer business, be it condoms or silicon implants) became trendy.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2268396]Free parking. Pretty safe. But you better not have even one alcoholic drink or any drug in your body while driving, else you will be picked up by the local Polizei, at least a 50% chance.[/QUOTE]Well, since I don't drink at all, or do drugs at all (other than my little blue pill), I should be fine.
[QUOTE=NickTheG;2268480]Super! We have another AO discussion here. And it will be going on for weeks.
I remember those days when nobody knew about the term AO and everybody was fucking without condoms in the RLD in Frankfurt. That was quite some time before HIV appeared and changed the scene, and a long time before FKK clubs (with a lot of polymer business, be it condoms or silicon implants) became trendy.[/QUOTE]Wow! Nick The can I call you "God" of mongering? I don't know if I will be able to even get it up by the time I have as many years of mongering experience as yours, even with the pills! Much respect to you Sir! Seriously. 🙏