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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2581040]It is a very good decision I was also reluctant to take the vaccine but now in Europe without being vaccinated the things are getting more and more difficult so I took 2 shots of Pfister, it is only a additional vaccine for me who got so many when I worked in India, Africa or when I was a soldier.[/QUOTE]Yeah like France is forcing public to take it, but it is better like that for Europe as people are not discipline and love to go out, party etc. But given a choice, I rather not take this vaccine especially I am in the nation with low death rate and numbers of deaths. A lot of propaganda by media especially there is going to be a big event Olympic, but I look at data, not the propaganda.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2581269]Before you get [B]injected[/B].[/QUOTE]Plus, injection do not stop you from infection, it alleviate you from going bad symptom for at least 6 months depending on which vaccines, so please be careful as it is not one or two shots or even three booster shots fix all vaccine, the truth is nobody knows the mid to long term effect, that is the truth. Beside government and drug companies are just saying, it is all ok LOL!

[QUOTE=LionMan966;2581017]Are women at FKK clubs being tested regularly do you know?

Samya and Mondial's website says they are testing staff and girls every 48 hrs. Not sure if this is happening, I would of thought its law and in their interest to do so. Not read this on any other FKK site, just the 3 G policy, an excellent policy I must say to make everyone safer in these clubs. Also, cases very low around Germany, so an ideal time to visit.[/QUOTE]Both the managements and girls in FKK say a lot of a lot of things LOL! I choose to not to believe too much LOL!

But Artemis have in house MD since it opening, the same doctor since I first went there in 2009 or 2010, so maybe that is a sign that Artemis may think about medical issues more than other FKK that do not bother to hire in house MD.

But either way, I do not believe too much about legitimacy of covid-19 measures in most places when you get it you get it. It is just that some nations are more discipline than other nation with better medical facilities and know how, which helps.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2580970]People died and many lost their homes and all savings, so I think we should not be moaning about rental car rates or FKK clubs of the region being closed even in the sex forum.[/QUOTE]They need to build in each of those towns by the river a huge tall parking garage on high ground to evacuate to and also some storm drains lined with concrete to have the water flow away and not flood the street.

I think all of them are going to get reimbursed by insurance or the government at least.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2580917]It was only 5 euros each way. So it was very much cheaper than train plus taxi fare. Oase could price it cheaply as they saved on paying the cabbies the 10 euros charge for delivering customers to them.
Also very convenient as it stopped at FFM hautbahnhof and messe.[/QUOTE]One can take chances and take train with no ticked and then Oase can be done by walking from the station, but it takes about 15 to 20 min as it is the other side of the rail where you get off!

I never buy ticket in Duss region to go to LR or Oceans, but to GT I do, but there are few times even to GT, they did not check the ticket! It is not that I am stingy for 5 euro or 10 euro ticket to LR, but I cannot be bother to type the name of the station or figure out which zone my station is in LOL! I never bother to study the zone for city ticket!

So far, never been caught, but my day will come when I have to play a tourist who did not know LOL! And pay my due of 40 euro fine was it? I be like that is almost 30 min session right there LOL!

I have been reading the FKK forums on ISG with interest over the past few weeks. I have not been to Germany now for 9 months. I managed to get to Artemis twice in the middle of lockdowns last year and had a good time despite the numbers being lower than usual. Prices were "normal" 60/30 and 120/ hour but every girl wanted 20 extra for BBBJ and they seemed to have some sort of communal agreement between them as I didn't speak to a single girl who broke that rule in 2 days.

I am therefore somewhat bewildered by the reports from Palace (the ever-reliable Lanthano), Sharks, and Oase, that 100/30 is becoming the norm for a room including DFK and BBBJ. What has caused this and is it the same in NRW / Berlin / Hamburg / elsewhere. Or is it just a Hessen push on prices?

Whilst I read an interesting report (apologies cannot recall name now) by someone saying prices have not gone up for some years, and therefore seemingly trying to justify this, the truth is that a push to 100/30 and 200/ hour starts to seriously make FKKs lack viability for tourists (like me). I love the FKK experience as it isn't only for nights. To arrive midday, take in some sun, sex, food, relax, sauna, more sun, more sex, and at Artemis even take an hour in the gym between sessions, is terrific. But when the entrance fee is added the truth is that there are other destinations in Europe with great options where it is possible to have very good sex with very attractive girls for less money.

It doesn't stop there. The difference between FKK mongering (financially) and other options, is that in FKK land there are list of extras all of which cost more money. Anal is standard 100 more, CIM 50 more, domination 50 more. My main mongering destinations are Spain and Thailand. Leaving Thailand to one side (because you could have all of the above with 2 girls for 2 days for not much more than 200 euros! Consider this: I go to Scandalos in Malaga. Great club. Prices have increased two years ago. So pre covid. Previously 180/ hour. Now, 220 hour but most girls will agree 400/ two hours so effectively 200/ hour. Whilst discussion is needed in the bar to make certain of the extras, for the guaranteed 400 most girls will do BBBJ, DFK without question (even though BBBJ is less common in Spain). Equally the girls will willingly do domination (most for free and with pleasure if giving not receiving! CIM might not be possible or attract an extra fee. Anal is hit and miss. Some girls will do it willingly included in the price whilst others will say they don't do it at all. So 2 hours in Scandalos with a very attractive girl might cost 400 for most services plus cost of your own drinks. The 10 e entry is refunded by a free drink ticket. At E92 near Fuengirola, another good club, the same applies but this time the two hours would cost 250 or 300. It is 150/ hour but most girls will do 2 hours for a guaranteed 250. Again, BBBJ / DFK / domination all included. CIM / Anal the girl might want more or won't do them. In the UK (take Cosmopolitan in Manchester), no entry fee, all services other than anal available 100 per hour. No entry fee. Portugal. The girls working the bars around Vilamoura - 150/ hour. Same as Spain on extras.

Now let's consider that I want to go to Sharks and have a girl (just one) but with all services. Entry I am assuming still 65 though I see some clubs are offering discount. If its now 100/30 it is going to cost me 400 for the hour. Plus 100 anal makes 500, plus 50 CIM is 550, plus domination 50 is 600, plus 65 entry. My two hours with al of these services in Sharks now costs me 665 euros? Seriously?

As much as I love the FKK experience, it may well be very limited in future if this really is what is happening. Why would I choose an FKK when it is likely to cost me double or triple the cost in other good locations with good options? I really need to know if this is just a blip, and will change, or if it is prevalent now all over Germany.

Propaganda, same like for sexism, when Olympics should have been cancelled, not much value like this and with inappropriate weather, risky for some sports. When we remember about Seoul 1988 Olympics with so many lies about dopping, despite Ben Johnson. Carl Lewis and Linford Christie. UK were also, dirty race at it was told.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2581477]I have been reading the FKK forums on ISG with interest over the past few weeks. I have not been to Germany now for 9 months. I managed to get to Artemis twice in the middle of lockdowns last year and had a good time despite the numbers being lower than usual. Prices were "normal" 60/30 and 120/ hour but every girl wanted 20 extra for BBBJ and they seemed to have some sort of communal agreement between them as I didn't speak to a single girl who broke that rule in 2 days.

I am therefore somewhat bewildered by the reports from Palace (the ever-reliable Lanthano), Sharks, and Oase, that 100/30 is becoming the norm for a room including DFK and BBBJ. What has caused this and is it the same in NRW / Berlin / Hamburg / elsewhere. Or is it just a Hessen push on prices?.[/QUOTE]In NRW, LR girls made increase rate from 40 to 50/30 at Rheingold ex H7, but no way for thick vulgar Jane, when past prettiest didn't return except cute but silicon Ada. In other NRW clubs, rates stay around 50/30 except Amira ex Raïssa upselling at Samya when she lost her fresh beauty. At Sharks, new rates may quite often be 100/30 and 150/60, except for just arrived girls looking for business, or with desperate for business ones. But I choose to enjoy a real fresh beauty for 150, rather than wasting with girls I would not go for free in real life. For cheap rates, also RTC with girls with bad teeth. My package at Sharks was arriving before noon, eating salmon for breakfast until 3 pm, 2 hours in room with a really fresh beauty and high level for love in bed, eating melon in afternoon, having 2 diner and sleeping until 5 am, for 365 €, 310 € on previous visit. This is ok for me for level I enjoyed on these 2 visits.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2581477]I have been reading the FKK forums on ISG with interest over the past few weeks. I have not been to Germany now for 9 months. I managed to get to Artemis twice in the middle of lockdowns last year and had a good time despite the numbers being lower than usual. Prices were "normal" 60/30 and 120/ hour but every girl wanted 20 extra for BBBJ and they seemed to have some sort of communal agreement between them as I didn't speak to a single girl who broke that rule in 2 days.

I am therefore somewhat bewildered by the reports from Palace (the ever-reliable Lanthano), Sharks, and Oase, that 100/30 is becoming the norm for a room including DFK and BBBJ. What has caused this and is it the same in NRW / Berlin / Hamburg / elsewhere. Or is it just a Hessen push on prices?

Whilst I read an interesting report (apologies cannot recall name now) by someone saying prices have not gone up for some years, and therefore seemingly trying to justify this, the truth is that a push to 100/30 and 200/ hour starts to seriously make FKKs lack viability for tourists (like me). I love the FKK experience as it isn't only for nights. To arrive midday, take in some sun, sex, food, relax, sauna, more sun, more sex, and at Artemis even take an hour in the gym between sessions, is terrific. But when the entrance fee is added the truth is that there are other destinations in Europe with great options where it is possible to have very good sex with very attractive girls for less money..[/QUOTE]Well apparently beside the upsell, Artemis officially raise the entrance fee to 90 euro from 80 euro and 60 euro 30 min to 70 euro 30 min session LOL!

So pay for it, pay for it or you can no longer go to Artemis LOL!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2581477]I have been reading the FKK forums on ISG with interest over the past few weeks. I have not been to Germany now for 9 months. I managed to get to Artemis twice in the middle of lockdowns last year and had a good time despite the numbers being lower than usual. Prices were "normal" 60/30 and 120/ hour but every girl wanted[/QUOTE]A good strategy when assessing the reality is to have multiple sources, vet sources, and cross reference. If you were to look only on ISG, you would think it is the end of the world. But sift through and you'll notice maybe only a handful of actual first person reviews. Go to local forums and you will see some similar bad reviews but also some positive ones (especially as of late). Talking to some personal contacts, I hear differing assessments. My more pessimistic contacts confirm the poor reviews. Optimistic ones tell me there are many girls who will try to upsell but most do not hold firm, just the typical cast of previous up sellers.

Point is, I wouldn't base my decisions on just a handful of posts. Posters on this forum are a bit dramatic. Some have self-serving ego agendas and some participate in gamesmanship strategies to keep tourists away. I'm going into my trip expecting a different vibe in the clubs but will be flexible while holding firm to some personal rules of pricing. If for some reason, Sharks absolutely sucks, I'll fall back on established regulars have a meal and some beers and visit other clubs on the next days.

Pfff. Incredible mathematics.

No, the upselling has not gone through the roof in most clubs. Yes, probably in Oase (it was already a no-go club with almost zero DFK-offering gals anyway the last few years and therefore the reasonably intelligent clubbers avoid the club since 5 years anyway, or only go there for sunbathing and zero sessions). Artemis don't know but already overpriced compared to the rest of Germany, Palace is / was a tourist trap. But again, most other clubs have pretty much stayed the same regarding upselling. A small percentage of the girls (newly arrived "princesses", the top-3 most pretty girls of the club maybe) will ask for 150 E pro hour, or some really overambitious ones maybe the mentioned 200 from colleague PayForIt. But the basic and commonly demanded price is still 100 for 1 hour, so rethink your mathematics. Yes, extras are the same price as before and the entry in for instance Sharks is 50 E or 65 E on Friday / Saturday currently. But if you buy the 5 entries pack you pay 50 E anytime. Your mathematics resulting in 665 for 2 hours is ridiculous, zero girls in Sharks or any other club apart from maybe Oase / Palace / Artemis will cost you 200 Euro for 2 hours plus you wished extras, entry 50 E mainly at the moment so even including 50 FT, 50 Dom,100 Anal will cost you 450 instead of 665. Maybe you could write Santaclaus a letter and politely ask for a decent calculator. Just kiddin'.

Didn't club much lately as I mentioned before in another thread (because the line-ups are mostly soso and the guest-gals-ratio is not advantageous in most clubs) but the few visits this year in Switzerland (Globe once, Cleo twice, club Midnight twice) and Germany (Sharks once, AcaGold once) resulted in zero upsell-booked ladies. From all those visits, only one club had a decent male-female ratio by the way.

In a short summary:

Switzerland:

Globe mid-June: 25/30 girls, 80 Guest, disappointing line-up. 1 session, decent service but nothing worth repeating or above the level of girls booked in Germany. Hence: no repeat of Globe until at least September when the line-up increases and a few topacts may return eventually.

Club Cleo, once in March, once mid-June: 25/30 girls, 60 to 80 Guests, decent line-up. 4 sessions, 1 excellent, 2 good ones, 1 acceptable. Comparable service package as in Germany, lost of the current girls actually come from German clubs but why would I re-book them if I sessioned with them for less than half the price as before, or didn't wish to session with them anyway before for 50 E pro half-hour. Hence: repeat Cleo when I'm in the neighbourhood.

ClubMidnight mid-June, 6 girls, 4 guests (sort of private club). Sessioned twice with the same lady, excellent service. Repeat only if the neighbourhood and when the same lady is around. She's currently in another workingplace so time will tell if paths cross again eventually.

Germany:

Sharks mid-July, 80 girls, 120/150 Guests, decent line-up. 3 sessions, 2 excellent, 1 acceptable. No upsell with these 3 girls. Some other ones which offered themselves during their "interviews" requested extras for standard club service, they were politely sent away in a hurry. One is not forced top be an I. d. I. o. T. Let's say around 25% of the girls which I've spoken with requested extra money for eventual DFK or other stuff. Bye bye.

Aca Gold mid-July, 25/30 girls, 80/100 Guests, mediocre line-up. Zero sessions because only 1 optional girl but she was already being grabbed by several guys before being paid by the guy which still had to pay her for her barely finished session. Ruins the appetite, or at least my appetite. Did not interview a lot of girls because none was interesting IMHO.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2581477]As much as I love the FKK experience, it may well be very limited in future if this really is what is happening. Why would I choose an FKK when it is likely to cost me double or triple the cost in other good locations with good options? I really need to know if this is just a blip, and will change, or if it is prevalent now all over Germany.[/QUOTE]I feel exactly the same way. A key reason why I liked traveling to Germany for the FKK experience was that I felt like I was getting good value for my money. But the more and more the price for a fuck in the German FKKs moves towards the price for same in Switzerland, the less likely I am to attend the German clubs. Hell, I only wanted to do one more major trip around Germany again anyway, then I was planning to turn my major mongering attention to Brazil for good. The last hurrah is in the works for The Cane in Germany? It's already happened with respect to The Cane in Spain. We shall see!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2581477]I have been reading the FKK forums on ISG with interest over the past few weeks. I have not been to Germany now for 9 months. I managed to get to Artemis twice in the middle of lockdowns last year and had a good time despite the numbers being lower than usual. Prices were "normal" 60/30 and 120/ hour but every girl wanted 20 extra for BBBJ and they seemed to have some sort of communal agreement between them as I didn't speak to a single girl who broke that rule in 2 days.

I am therefore somewhat bewildered by the reports from Palace (the ever-reliable Lanthano), Sharks, and Oase, that 100/30 is becoming the norm for a room including DFK and BBBJ. What has caused this and is it the same in NRW / Berlin / Hamburg / elsewhere. Or is it just a Hessen push on prices?

Whilst I read an interesting report (apologies cannot recall name now) by someone saying prices have not gone up for some years, and therefore seemingly trying to justify this, the truth is that a push to 100/30 and 200/ hour starts to seriously make FKKs lack viability for tourists (like me). I love the FKK experience as it isn't only for nights. To arrive midday, take in some sun, sex, food, relax, sauna, more sun, more sex, and at Artemis even take an hour in the gym between sessions, is terrific. But when the entrance fee is added the truth is that there are other destinations in Europe with great options where it is possible to have very good sex with very attractive girls for less money.[/QUOTE]Since the pandemic most of the assets have increased, it is just inflation, regulated by demand vs offer. Even in the FKK, the 31 December you could not get 50/30, now we have reduced LU. Hungry mongers so the prices are increasing. I will not visit any FKK in the coming year for different reasons, but I am finding some great opportunities in the escort business, but of course you need to spend some time, writing to the girl, sending your picture but the sex is so much better than with the overfucked girls in FKK.

After all, all we ever wanted to was to get our dick sucked and fucked by young stunners around world and it has been done many many times, and it will continue as long as we live, so why complain beside complaining to management all the time may improve quality of the line up level.

So Arnold would say get to the chopppaaaaa, but I say get your ass to the reception and complain LOL!

This seems like a good strategy to try now that rental cars are terrible priced.

Plus you should plead not guilty and demand a trial if every caught, that way you can stay in Germany pending trial and hopefully be put on probation which required not to lease Germany until the term of probation ends. Then they will have to give you free health insurance and a place to live during this time at least.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2581426]One can take chances and take train with no ticked and then Oase can be done by walking from the station, but it takes about 15 to 20 min as it is the other side of the rail where you get off!

I never buy ticket in Duss region to go to LR or Oceans, but to GT I do, but there are few times even to GT, they did not check the ticket! It is not that I am stingy for 5 euro or 10 euro ticket to LR, but I cannot be bother to type the name of the station or figure out which zone my station is in LOL! I never bother to study the zone for city ticket!

So far, never been caught, but my day will come when I have to play a tourist who did not know LOL! And pay my due of 40 euro fine was it? I be like that is almost 30 min session right there LOL![/QUOTE]