Sao Paulo Reports

I defer to the true Scandallo experts for confirmation. Based on my comparatively limited experience there and the situations you described, my impression is the girls are picking up on you being new to the scene there. As garotas de programa will do, they are pushing the envelope to see what they can get away with. I don't think you did anything wrong per se. The two recommendations I can make (again subject to confirmation from real Scandallo experts) are to confirm your expectations (e. G. Multiple pops, BJ natural etc.) and consider visiting a few lower end establishments to gain more experience and become more comfortable at lower financial risk. Don't fear the possibility that Scandallo may not be for you. After all, I think we can all agree it is not for everybody.

[QUOTE=Zpxoci;3053369]Hello, I'm relatively new to this world and after reading so many amazing things about Sao Paulo and Scandallo, decided to come down here. Let's start with the positives. It really is stunning. The club's excellent and the sheer number of hot women walking around is a spectacle unlike any other! Unfortunately, I've been striking out pretty badly and I strongly suspect it is my lack of experience interviewing / auditioning girls that's a major contributing factor. Having to rely on Google Translate doesn't do me any favors of course.

They way it has worked so far is I'll sit at a table and get a drink. Someone passing by either asks if she can sit down or if I see someone I like, we make eye contact and usually she'll come over. We'll have a drink together and chat using a translator. General stuff, where we're from, what we like, travel, etc, etc. Usually at some point, the girls ask if I'd like to go to a room and if I feel things are going well, I politely ask them questions like if they're OK with a blowjob without a condom, multiple pops, etc. And they've always said yes. We'll discuss the fees, haggle a bit and agree on something. Other times, I politely say that I'd like to keep enjoying my drink and wait for someone and they walk away.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3053385]I defer to the true Scandallo experts for confirmation. Based on my comparatively limited experience there and the situations you described, my impression is the girls are picking up on you being new to the scene there. As garotas de programa will do, they are pushing the envelope to see what they can get away with. I don't think you did anything wrong per se. The two recommendations I can make (again subject to confirmation from real Scandallo experts) are to confirm your expectations (e. G. Multiple pops, BJ natural etc.) and consider visiting a few lower end establishments to gain more experience and become more comfortable at lower financial risk. Don't fear the possibility that Scandallo may not be for you. After all, I think we can all agree it is not for everybody.[/QUOTE]First I should be clear that poor experiences do happen at Scandallo as they do everywhere. But I'the say my track record is prob between 1 in 5 and 1 in 10. So it's unfortunate you went three for three. That said I think you have a much higher bar than most people. Deep kissing and DATY is def a thing some girls don't like. I don't think I would have let either of those tarnish the experience to the point of saying it was bad. So your bar is higher. Whereas a fast jacking off merits a big thumbs down. And 2 pops again can depend on chemistry.

Suggestions for improvement:

I hope you didn't pay up front. Because that can lead to bad places. If you did not then you could have stopped at the kissing and said that you agreed great kissing and this is not that and perhaps it's better if we just leave now. I think 98% of girls would rather kiss deeply at that point than not get paid.When you have the money you have control. When she does, she does. I've had a couple girls try to give me CBJ and I've stood firm. Only works if you hold the cards.

Second you can redirect in the room. Don't be shy about it. If a girl starts aggressively whacking you off tell her to slow down. If she doesn't then grab her wrist and physically stop her. Tell her politely but firmly that you do t enjoy that. And tell her what to do instead.

Now to the question of on the floor behavior. It's virtually always a mistake to take a girl that approaches you. They tend to be more pro or sharky. The newer more desirable girls won't have the confidence to approach. And so since you need to approach you have to get up and get around the club. Every five minutes you should do a pass and talk to any girl that strikes you. Finding your gem takes looking for her.

Finally don't be afraid to test chemistry in the club. Give her a kiss at the right moment. Does it turn into tongue tangling DFK? Or does she give you a peck? It's not a guarantee that a peck won't perform in the room some girl are very cautious in the club. But usually a sensual kiss in th club is a very good sign for the room. You can also dance some. Hands on def establishes chemistry or not.

Best of luck!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3053509]

Suggestions for improvement:

I hope you didn't pay up front.

Finally don't be afraid to test chemistry in the club. Give her a kiss at the right moment. Does it turn into tongue tangling DFK? Or does she give you a peck? It's not a guarantee that a peck won't perform in the room some girl are very cautious in the club. But usually a sensual kiss in th club is a very good sign for the room. You can also dance some. Hands on def establishes chemistry or not.

[/QUOTE]Steve's last point is what makes Scandallo and other SP boates (and termas in Rio) so great. You can and should test chemistry before making a decision. Make out with them a bit, feel their ass, have them grab your dick. Most girls in these venues will go along with it. I won't go with a chick if she doesn't give me a satisfactory preview of what will happen in the room.

[QUOTE=Combo;3053525]Steve's last point is what makes Scandallo and other SP boates (and termas in Rio) so great. You can and should test chemistry before making a decision. Make out with them a bit, feel their ass, have them grab your dick. Most girls in these venues will go along with it. I won't go with a chick if she doesn't give me a satisfactory preview of what will happen in the room.[/QUOTE]Never act desperate or like the girl is doing you a favor just to talk to you. Remember you're the one with the money, and it's money that makes the world go around, not pussy. So just relax. Smile and be friendly. If you're picking up good vibes early, then offer to buy her a drink. Use some of that consumo that you've already sunk money into! Plenty of girls will take you up on the offer of a drink, but you might be surprised at how many say they don't drink and pass. So, you still come off as a gentleman, but for free LOL! If I'm vibing well with a girl and I feel like I want to session, then I'm the type of monger who puts out there exactly what I want. Don't be ashamed! These girls have heard it all and then some. I feel that as an "anal connoisseur" it's particularly important for me to ask for anal if that's what I have desire for at the time. Lots and lots of girls in Brazil do anal. But lots of others don't. So, I need to make sure that gets put on the table if I'm wanting it. As well as BBBJ / CIM (never had a CBJ in Brazil and will never accept one). It's only after I mention every type of service that I want and for how long, that I will bring up the price, and depending on the girl we may go back and forth for a little bit until we agree on a number. Usually I will let the girl go first, then counter. This way, she has to reveal her hand before I reveal mine.

For some guys, their strategy is to go first because they know what they are willing to pay max, and that's it. But then once we have agreement, I just relax and smile and say, "Let's finish our drinks and keep chatting for a while". Because now I closed the deal and soon will be doing "that up and down" on another pretty garota! And soon enough it's off to a room to do the damn thing! This is typically how I do. All very natural, easy going, friendly, and confident. No need to use or accept pressure tactics. And if for whatever reason you're not feeling her, then just kindly wrap it up and say "nice meeting you" and "I think I'll take a walk and have a look around". Or, maybe you need to use the men's room (really)! Now, by the time I buy a tute a drink, I'm pretty certain that we will be fucking, and rarely do I end up losing consumo (or other) money to a girl without actually getting her to lower her panties and spread her butt cheeks wide. Once in a rare moon that might happen, and I just consider it to be the cost of doing business. I don't know about you guys, but interacting with and fucking attractive prostitutes helped to boost my confidence with hot "civilian" girls too. I mean, I can be talking to an attractive "civvie" and I will be thinking, "I've fucked so many chicks even hotter than you [B]in the ass[/B] so, so many times I can't even count"! LOLOLOL! No need to be intimidated by your looks lady.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3053509]First I should be clear that poor experiences do happen at Scandallo as they do everywhere. But I'the say my track record is prob between 1 in 5 and 1 in 10. So it's unfortunate you went three for three. That said I think you have a much higher bar than most people. Deep kissing and DATY is def a thing some girls don't like. I don't think I would have let either of those tarnish the experience to the point of saying it was bad. So your bar is higher. Whereas a fast jacking off merits a big thumbs down. And 2 pops again can depend on chemistry.

Suggestions for improvement:

I hope you didn't pay up front. Because that can lead to bad places. If you did not then you could have stopped at the kissing and said that you agreed great kissing and this is not that and perhaps it's better if we just leave now. I think 98% of girls would rather kiss deeply at that point than not get paid.When you have the money you have control. When she does, she does. I've had a couple girls try to give me CBJ and I've stood firm. Only works if you hold the cards.

Second you can redirect in the room. Don't be shy about it. If a girl starts aggressively whacking you off tell her to slow down. If she doesn't then grab her wrist and physically stop her. Tell her politely but firmly that you do t enjoy that. And tell her what to do instead.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much! I wish the year end feedback from my managers at work was half as clear and actionable as this.

To answer your question, most times I've paid at the end but one of the worst experiences was when the girl asked me for cash at the reception where you pay for the room after you're done, before going up. I should have said no but I fucked up. That's on me and I'll make sure to not let it happen again.

I'll change my strategy of waiting for them to come to me and be more proactive. Since I go by myself, getting a table and then leaving it unattended while I circulate every so often probably won't work. Maybe I should give up on the table, just get a drink at the bar and take a walk every so often. If I see someone I like, I can show her a note on my phone saying something like I thought she was cute and if she'd like to get a seat and chat and then hope we find a spot?

Escalating a bit before going up also sounds like a great idea to suss her out. Any tips on how to get a "translated" conversation going in that direction? This is probably my inexperience showing but the path from, "what do you like about Sao Paulo the most" to me feeling her ass, all on Google translate, seems like a steep climb. Also, even though I prefer being outside because I find it pretty loud inside, potentially dancing a bit or just having access to more women makes it seem like indoors is a better place to hang out?

One more thing, how do folks here handle the girls ordering drinks? It's not the end of the world but those things add up and some of the girls definitely order fancy stuff, maybe cause the club encourages them to, maybe not.

Thanks again for all the amazing advice!

[QUOTE=Combo;3053525]Steve's last point is what makes Scandallo and other SP boates (and termas in Rio) so great. You can and should test chemistry before making a decision. Make out with them a bit, feel their ass, have them grab your dick. Most girls in these venues will go along with it. I won't go with a chick if she doesn't give me a satisfactory preview of what will happen in the room.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the advice. Making out with them before going up sounds like a great idea. I apologize for the noob question but taking into account that a lot of us are on translators, any tips on getting the conversation flowing in that direction? Thank you!

[QUOTE=Zpxoci;3053538]Thank you for the advice. Making out with them before going up sounds like a great idea. I apologize for the noob question but taking into account that a lot of us are on translators, any tips on getting the conversation flowing in that direction? Thank you![/QUOTE]Scan is a bit like a real date. But with a stacked deck. But some things are the same. Like on a real date you don't ask a girl "can I kiss you" or she will instantly get the ick that you are a pussy. Girls want a guy to act. Not ask.

Same here. You are laughing and drinking and you gaze at one another. And then a kiss happens. When I think back to the girls I've kissed at Scan it was never "I'm going to kiss her". The chemistry wss there and next thing you know we are kissing. Just let it flow, knowing that the deck is stacked and she's not going to swerve. Or if she does then next next.

Ps there is prob other physical contact before the kiss. A great way to start is to admire a ring or bracelet or tattoo and take her hand and tell her that you really like xxx and can u see it up closer. Most of the girls have tattoos. So that’s a great place to touch and admire.

[QUOTE=Zpxoci;3053369]I've been striking out pretty badly and I strongly suspect it is my lack of experience interviewing / auditioning girls that's a major contributing factor. [/QUOTE]Instead of asking do you kiss? Ask do you like kissing, and one thing leads to another you may start kissing already. If the girl does not offer, then ask to experience your first Brazilian kiss. LOL Kissing should be the last of your concern in this club as you can get it before going to the room. I think you failed in screening the girls correctly.

When I read reports, I observe the background of the poster. I will think, am I like him? I generally don't expect that I am going to have the same experience as some of the very positive posts because I am not them. Many times that I dated the same girl that my friend has dated, it always sucked. LOL. The reason is because I am very different from my friend so keep in mind everything is YMMV.

I don't buy drinks to just talk briefly with the girl. I will buy drink after I have decided that I am going to take her. It's not mandatory.

Go to clinicas and use them as your training ground. You should be able to find some good ones can use that as your reference when you go to Scandallo.

What you have encountered is normal if you read my past posts. Brazilian is good but it's not 100% Do 100% of them do anal? No, 40% would be "great".

You can read this part to match with your experience. Or search for the word "percentage" in this thread. You can see some members near 100% great and few are like me more inline with the data.

At that time, Casarao CBJ is 793 and BBBJ is at 590. I think partly is because men don't ask and find out too late once in the room

[QUOTE=Nounce;2857263]It takes skill to do what you have accomplished. I looked at the numbers posted on GPG. These are the two commonly mentioned places with the worst ratios.[/QUOTE]



My first session at Scandallo, the girl told me she had a vagina surgery so this is limit what she would allow after we were in the room. Then I had a Scandallo girl came to my place when her period just about starting. My experience has always been good despite these.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3053091]Nounce. You mention clubs as or more luxurious than Scan. In Brazil? Elsewhere? Which clubs specifically. I would love to know the details please.[/QUOTE]I think we use "luxury" differently.

I think men go there for the number of girls, not the luxury, that is just noise and for a purpose that mostly benefits the owner. I think Scandallo is not in the top 3 bars in terms of luxury in Sao Paulo once you remove the girls. That was how we felt in our first time at Scandallo. The restaurant area is just normal with small tables and it's pretty easy to find better with the same price. The rooms is very good compared to Casarao but the suite in Love motel is better. There are places in Asia with all 3 better components in one "presidential suite" in a brothel that can have 100+ attractive girls starting at 250+USD all the way up to 1000+USD. It's just that people don't normally ask to go to the most expensive places

Also, imaging that you stay in Hyatt, you can walk out the door to pick up a Brazilian on the street of just a short walk to a club to pick one from 100 for a standard price to bring back to your room? Is this not as good?

[QUOTE=TheCane;3053050]No, I didn't start that.
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He started it, a[/QUOTE]I did not criticize. I mentioned it because of the effect of what you said here. I mean he likely won't respond that way without what you wrote

[QUOTE=TheCane;3052249]Think about that. Scandallo is not a place for cheap Charlies. If you're one of those, then it's really best that you just not set foot in the place, then come in here trying to tell everyone else,[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;3053609]I did not criticize. I mentioned it because of the effect of what you said here. I mean he likely won't respond that way without what you wrote.[/QUOTE]I (along with others) would not have said what I did but for the effect of what he wrote first when it was clearly about the money. Suggesting that the girls at Scandallo have a general attitude problem (not true) so why put up with that when there all these other clubs that have just as many girls (also not true) where you can spend less money (bingo). People reading who have not been to the club could be misled by the first two of those claims. If you're going to stick your nose in, then you at least need to sniff from the very beginning. A Cheap Charlie comes up with manufactured excuse after excuse for why Scandallo (or some other place) sucks, when their real objection to the club is that they just don't want to spend the money necessary to be there. And it has nothing to do directly with Charlie's personal income level per se. I rest.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3053606]I think we use "luxury" differently.

I think men go there for the number of girls, not the luxury, that is just noise and for a purpose that mostly benefits the owner. I think Scandallo is not in the top 3 bars in terms of luxury in Sao Paulo once you remove the girls. That was how we felt in our first time at Scandallo. The restaurant area is just normal with small tables and it's pretty easy to find better with the same price. The rooms is very good compared to Casarao but the suite in Love motel is better. There are places in Asia with all 3 better components in one "presidential suite" in a brothel that can have 100+ attractive girls starting at 250+USD all the way up to 1000+USD. It's just that people don't normally ask to go to the most expensive places

Also, imaging that you stay in Hyatt, you can walk out the door to pick up a Brazilian on the street of just a short walk to a club to pick one from 100 for a standard price to bring back to your room? Is this not as good?[/QUOTE]Now you're saying that people are equating "luxury" with numbers of girls? That doesn't even make any sense! I don't know that anyone here is doing that. I know I'm not! And then you compare Scandallo to the Hyatt Hotel? LOLOLOL! Dude compare apples to apples. It's the baddest [B]puta palace[/B] on the planet! Not the baddest bed and breakfast LMAO! And once again, we have someone claiming that other establishments around the world are better than Scandallo or more luxe or whatever [B]without naming any names[/B]. If you claim it then name it! Where is it? The Rio Copacabana Palace Hotel? The baddest puta palace on the planet! LOLOLOLOL! Oh man! Too funny! And at the end of the day, what if it was the Copacabana Palace Hotel? Because Cheap Charlie isn't going there either! So what's the point of Scandallo detractors bringing up places that are supposedly even more luxe than Scandallo when they won't patronize those other clubs either? It's just nonsensical, circular, muddy the waters, empty rhetoric that means absolutely nothing practically when you break it all down. Keep it simple. If you don't want to patronize Scandallo because you think it's too much money, then just say so instead of coming up with all kinds of false narratives and just plain stupid comparisons and "who cares" justifications. My God!

[QUOTE=TheCane;3053621]Now you're saying that people are equating "luxury" with numbers of girls? That doesn't even make any sense! [/QUOTE]Of course it doesn't make sense because I did not say that. Hehe. To be clear, what I said was we weren't wowed by the luxury based on the reading of this thread. I certainly can see someone wowed by that and it enhanced their experience.

It shows that you don't know as much as you think.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3053616]I (along with others) would not have said what I did but for the effect of what he wrote first when it was clearly about the money. [/QUOTE]I looked and you are the only one using those words to him. Most other Scandallo guys don't have to use those words. They are natural doing what they do and they can do something cheap and not be considered cheap. I understand both sides. I have friends who are like them in a way. These are people who do it but don't show off what they do and can be generous as well. My friend told me to quit working and he will pay all my travel / living expenses for me and my sibling. LOL.

I think if he can have as much fun as Steve, then he will be ok with that. By the same token, I wonder what Steve will say when he does not have fun.

[QUOTE=Nounce;3053661]Of course it doesn't make sense because I did not say that. Hehe. To be clear, what I said was we weren't wowed by the luxury based on the reading of this thread. I certainly can see someone wowed by that and it enhanced their experience. It shows that you don't know as much as you think.[/QUOTE]Nobody expects anyone to be "wowed" by what someone reads in this thread. I [B]always[/B] say go and experience and decide for yourself. But if you come back and engage in false narratives and make believe, then somebody just might decide to call you out. And the fact that you think a puta palace's legitimate competition is a "white bread" hotel is clear proof that you absolutely don't have a clue what you're talking about. If it was a comparison between a Scandallo and a place like the old Del Rey Hotel, ok then now you have something. Puta palace versus puta palace (and Scandallo wins). But no! You think it's appropriate to compare a puta palace to a "white bread" hotel like the Hyatt [B]hahahaha[/B]! I know plenty. And if you don't know (you don't) then you better ask somebody! But don't ask me. Because I'm not here to waste my time trying to convince.