FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=Canary;2268741]While trying to get some really kinky ideas for my first Sharks visit of the year next Friday I stumbled across a Porn site showing mixed sex wrestling, my goodness what a turn on.[/QUOTE]Not in Sharks, but I had such a session about 3 years ago with a muscular woman ex-wrestler in one of the erotic massage studios on Rudesheimerstrasse (near FKK Sunshine) in Munich. It was either Shivala, Avienda or Mandala, can't remember which. The availability of wresltling was in her Rotelanterne advertisement I think. Face not young anymore, but fantastic muscular body.

There was even a proper wrestling mat in the studio. But she made me keep my undies on to avoid ejeculated spermies soiling her mat.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2268773]It is remarkable how many mongers consider getting AO service from a working girl as a prize or as something to aspire to during their club visits.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately the title of your post "AO in Sharks" and your subsequent commentary tends to give the impression (or perhaps accidentally imply) that this particular service is readily available in FKK Sharks. The reality is that to all intents and purposes this service is for the most part unavailable to the general mongering population and no more available in this club (if indeed it is available) than in any other FKK Club in the Frankfurt Area (with the exception of clubs like Dietzenbach of course). The practice is not tolerated by club management and any girl caught offering this service to customers will very likely not be allowed to work in the club again. It is known that [B]some[/B] hookers working in FKK Clubs [B]throughout the length and breath of Germany[/B] will sometimes offer this service (without the knowledge of the clubs management) as a mechanism to hold onto well paying and regular customers. If these customers choose to accept such an offer, it is up to them to inform themselves of the risks involved.

We are all adults here (I should hope) and I would imagine all members are well informed and well aware of any particular risks with regard to both protected and unprotected sex practices. Preaching about the rights and wrongs of unprotected sex is perhaps better written about in the "Safe Sex" Section of ISG. I would suggest that perhaps any further interaction with regard to this particular service should be held outside the FKK Sharks thread for fear of attracting unfair, unwarranted and mistaken attention to this club.

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2268609]Just talk. Guys shooting the breeze and hoping to find the Holy Grail! Most guys reading this forum and who attend FKK / Sauna Clubs will never ever get offered AO in any of the Frankfurt Mega-Clubs (Sharks / Oase / World / Palace / Mainhattan / Rom) even if they are club regulars or not. If you are an infrequent FKK / Sauna Club visitor your chance of getting this type of AO offer is probably zero and even if you are a regular visitor spending a hundred or so per session your chances are not much better. Of course exceptional circumstances can apply but generally speaking its not even enough to be a club regular; you need also to be a high roller and be prepared to spend hundreds on the same girl each month. Its really got to be worth her while to keep you as a customer. Worth her while to keep you interested and keep you from wandering into the arms of another hooker. Any guy I know who receives this type of service drops several hundred euros on his hooker of choice per visit and does this on a pretty regular basis. He may only visit the club once or twice a month but he will book his lady for the entire evening, or for several hours at the very least and do this on a regularly. Or he may visit the club two or three times a week (if local) and drop two or three hundred euros on the same lady each visit. Any guy spending thousands per annum on the same lady is definitely a very very good customer and definitely worth keeping. Hookers will fight (or at the very least compete) to get and to keep customers of this sort. She only needs several regulars of this type to make a very decent living. An offer of regular AO to keep a very good and big spending customer of this type is certainly very possible. But most guys whether they are regular customers or not will never be offered AO. Not unless they are splashing a considerable amount of cash on a regular basis. If you don't have or are not prepared to spend lots of cash, you need to go to FKK Dietzenbach or clubs of this level for your AO fix. The chances of acquiring this service in clubs like FKK Sharks are pretty slim (almost zero) unless you are handing over much currency on a regular basis. You aint going to get AO thrown in for the price of a once a month 30 minute session. Not unless the hooker in question looks like the back of the Frankfurt Airport shuttle bus! Heck the ladies are now even trying to charge extra for BBBJ. Of course the occasional exception can possibly occur but generally speaking AO dont come easy or dont come cheap. Not in a club like FKK Sharks anyway! But by all means keep searching for the Holy Grail. Its actually easy enough to find provided you are prepared to pay the price.

:D[/QUOTE]Perhaps my hottest girl I have ever had AO with in Germany occurred at Mainhatten in a 50 Euro session with zero upsell, she just ripped it off and fucked me AO the next few times I saw her. Same thing with the second girl there, in that case the condom broke but the next few sessions were all AO for 50 base rate. Just this past trip within ten seconds of chatting I sensed AO would be easy so tossed out my new line and the immediate reply' We don't have to use a condom. ' This girl did not look like the back of a Frankfurt Airport shuttle bus, certainly not in the top tier either. Working on those.

FYI I do agree with 90 percent of what you say and think it is spot on with the exception I think a lot more guys are getting AO on the cheap than people think.

This past summer I was often seeing a girl (all covered except BBBJ) who specifically left Sharks so this is coming right from the horses mouth that the main reason she left is she did not want to have to give up the shop as many girls were giving services away for cheap including bareback something she said she will not do as she doesn't want her career to end early. Perhaps she does it with high rollers but I do know a high roller of hers who says he doesn't get it nor asks for it (could be lying, never know) as well as a former client of hers she told me about who she said asked for AO constantly and eventually went away to try it on another girl. I have no reason to doubt this girls assessment that tons of Sharks are doing AO for cheap.

I wasn't born under a rock and I know there is no way this girl at Mainhatten who let me use my Invisible condom only lets me and I know she let me as she was slow and can't compete with my Queens in looks (body yes) and is going for the steal. I am sure others bareback her as well probably several. She also told me she has a friend if I want to do a double and no reason to assume that wouldn't include the use of the Invisible condom as well.

In light of the fact I am one of thousands and thousands who flies in how could one not assume that if I am at 3 AO girls maybe 4 at Mainhatten in my time there a club known for upselling and / or higher rates how could I possibly rationalize that other guys are not getting AO for cheap in 50 and 100 Euro sessions? There is absolutely nothing special about me that would qualify me to get this service for cheap and be ' the only one'; I can only conclude based on my own experiences that AO occurs nightly at Mainhatten.

At Oase a friend who goes once every two years got AO. Two other friends have a friend who got AO at Oase too one in a 100 hour and one for 100 extra tacked on to his 50. One of those same guys got AO at World as well. As one guy who reported this to me, sometimes AO is just pure luck, the guy gets lucky (regardless of rate).

In the case of Sharks we can all theorize all we want as to it's frequency but when an actual girl who worked the floor left and specifically due to too many girls offering AO I think in my mind that answers the questions.

I agree with most of your points, just disagree that many girls much more than we think are offering it up to fly ins, guys paying 50 and 100 some for free some adding it on. I also think you are right that ' AO Turf Wars' between girls occurs at the higher priced levels but I think the random AO's are occurring with great frequency in the lower tiers where the objective of the girl is probably just to get business period.

I also know a girl working in the RLD who worked at FKK Paradise and that ' standard' for AO at Paradise is 100-200 extra depending on the girl.

And that most girls including her did it selectively

AO is on the rise in just about every country now and just about all popular worldwide monger destinations, why would it not be in Germany?

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2268952]Perhaps my hottest girl I have ever had AO with in Germany occurred at Mainhatten in a 50 Euro session with zero upsell, she just ripped it off and fucked me AO the next few times I saw her. [/QUOTE]Perhaps you are indeed just lucky in FKK Mainhattan or perhaps your skillset is such that the hookers cant resist themselves or perhaps you are correct and AO is on the rise.

I would suggest that at the moment the views which I have expressed have been confirmed by two other regular members. So these views are not particular to just myself. If times are indeed changing you will be proven to be correct and there will be further reports of AO service being offered to members in clubs like Mainhattan.

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2268953]Perhaps you are indeed just lucky in FKK Mainhattan or perhaps your skillset is such that the hookers cant resist themselves or perhaps you are correct and AO is on the rise.

I would suggest that at the moment the views which I have expressed have been confirmed by two other regular members. So these views are not particular to just myself. If times are indeed changing you will be proven to be correct and there will be further reports of AO service being offered to members in clubs like Mainhattan.[/QUOTE]RTC's aside.

I don't think one mainstream has it (Mainhatten for example) and the next doesn't; I think it goes on at all. Nor do I think this is a case of right or wrong or incorrect or correct simply a case of guys sharing their various experiences and in many cases guys not sharing their experiences. Reporters like you and I and others are a tiny percentage of even a fraction of the number of guys going to these clubs and most don't report. Many also won't report AO. I do not think any member can confirm or not confirm reality what they can confirm is their own experiences. In general I would take the case of the departed Shark not as fact (they all lie) but very telling.

One thing we know for sure is several guys have reported STDs out of Sharks, I do not think they all came from blowjobs and DATY more likely unprotected vaginal sex.

Of course I got lucky at Mainhatten, there is nothing special about me that would make a girl offer up AO to me and not the next guy, and it certainly isn't my 50 or 100 Euros that is chicken feed to most. I think you accurately laid out ' the conditions' that AO occurs under and as I said I agree, except for the fact it occurs at lower levels as well, mainly out of the desperation for business or ' just happens'.

It certainly isn't my skill set (if anyone is giving lessons please sign me up) rather pure luck otherwise it would have happened more than the few times it did. 3 or 4 out of 300 or 400 sessions (maybe) is hardly skill on my end.

For some girls it's perhaps getting more money in their pocket, but from my own experience getting bareback sex has happened to me with girls that I have that special connection with, just because the girl sell sex doesn't mean that she's a robot with no feelings. Happened with two girls at Artemis and always when repeating them afterwards. Also in Madrid and Malaga with a handful of Brazilian girls this has occurred, but never because I give them more money, just happened in the heat of the moment I guess. Honestly it's not very smart behavior cause no one wants STD or even worse an unwanted child. I also think there is a huge dark numbers here because most people don't report this, I know I haven't at least.

I wish the girls will think two steps ahead and don't offer this service, cause there will come no good from it IMO.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2268934]Not in Sharks, but I had such a session about 3 years ago with a muscular woman ex-wrestler in one of the erotic massage studios on Rudesheimerstrasse (near FKK Sunshine) in Munich. It was either Shivala, Avienda or Mandala, can't remember which. The availability of wresltling was in her Rotelanterne advertisement I think. Face not young anymore, but fantastic muscular body.

There was even a proper wrestling mat in the studio. But she made me keep my undies on to avoid ejeculated spermies soiling her mat.[/QUOTE]Lucky you got to experience it!

I have no doubt it will be highly unlikely any ladies at Sharks would offer this although money does talk!

In the same way one of my favourites insists some customers like to pay double just to watch a guy & girl having sex. Despite her continued insistence this often occurs I again have my doubts.

When I'm back at Sharks for a very brief visit next week I might strike lucky with a new kinky experience. I always find every visit is different so hopefully next week will not disappoint?

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2268953]Perhaps you are indeed just lucky in FKK Mainhattan or perhaps your skillset is such that the hookers cant resist themselves or perhaps you are correct and AO is on the rise.

I would suggest that at the moment the views which I have expressed have been confirmed by two other regular members. So these views are not particular to just myself. If times are indeed changing you will be proven to be correct and there will be further reports of AO service being offered to members in clubs like Mainhattan.[/QUOTE]Yeah, she also give Christmas vouchers and discount codes. End of season sale is coning UO, WO be ready all.

Did the vacation for some girls started yet? How is the club these days?

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2269252]Did the vacation for some girls started yet? How is the club these days?[/QUOTE]Yesterday: full of men, and very limited lineup. Vacations for many girls already started after the weekend with the Christmas party in December. Those who stayed and took part in the special reward program had to stay until the new year's eve event was over. Many of them are gone by now.

As I already mentioned, with regards to the lineup, the next three to four weeks IMHO will be the worst time of the year! Which doesn't mean that you can't have good sex there.

Some names from yesterday:

Abi.

Alexa.

Angelina.

Anita.

Aura? (worked as Madalina in FKK-World some time ago).

Betty.

Crystal (black hair).

Dalma.

Daisy.

Dali.

Enya.

Emma.

Gina.

Inka.

Irina.

Isabella.

Johanna / Luna.

Mandy.

Mira.

Morena.

Niki.

Patricia.

Roxi.

Serena.

Mona Lisa.

Viorica.

Yra.

[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2269084]For some girls it's perhaps getting more money in their pocket, but from my own experience getting bareback sex has happened to me with girls that I have that special connection with, just because the girl sell sex doesn't mean that she's a robot with no feelings.

just happened in the heat of the moment I guess. Honestly it's not very smart behavior cause no one wants STD or even worse an unwanted child. I also think there is a huge dark numbers here because most people don't report this, I know I haven't at least.[/QUOTE]That's yet another reason it happens regardless if Cheap Charlie is on the bed or a billionaire in town from New York City doing a 12 hour.

When it comes to AO / STDs it is all a numbers game and I just want to say although this lengthy discussion on it ended up in the Sharks thread it would be unfair to single out Sharks IMO especially since the guys and girls who go / work at Sharks also hop around other clubs; ' cross contamination' essentially so no one could even say if the initial virus was given from a Sharks girl to a guy or if a guy from Oase brought it in after AO a Oase lady or if a guy went to an RTC and brought it in or perhaps a guy from Berlin was in town who had an STD from his non working girl significant other who cheated on him and he brought it to Sharks.

When it comes to AO only two people (unless it was a trio or more) can know for sure and accurately report and those people are the participants who were in the room and anyone who was not in that room would have no clue either way unless they had video surveillance to see, other than that it is speculation or second hand info as the guy can come out with his lips sealed or he can tell all his buddies but what is to say he is telling the truth or not? Once again, the only folks who know or know why or how are the folks who were in the room when the door closed.

So I thank those willing to share their AO tales and to the even braver folks who shared their STDs stories.

I also think in light of this topic being ' universal' perhaps it should be continued in general or the lounge, AO and STDs are not Sharks specific rather ' every club specific'
IMHO

[QUOTE=NickTheG;2269293]Yesterday: full of men, and very limited lineup. Vacations for many girls already started after the weekend with the Christmas party in December. Those who stayed and took part in the special reward program had to stay until the new year's eve event was over. Many of them are gone by now.

As I already mentioned, with regards to the lineup, the next three to four weeks IMHO will be the worst time of the year! Which doesn't mean that you can't have good sex there.[/QUOTE]Indeed Nick, and as you said, there are also some girls who will try to seize this opportunity to make some money now that the main competition is on holiday. I recon that a 3-4 week drought is a bit much though, some (but not all) stunners will start returning during the middle of January.

P.S. Tried to send you a PM a while ago, but your mailbox is full.

[QUOTE=NickTheG;2269293]Yesterday: full of men, and very limited lineup. Vacations for many girls already started after the weekend with the Christmas party in December. Those who stayed and took part in the special reward program had to stay until the new year's eve event was over. Many of them are gone by now.

As I already mentioned, with regards to the lineup, the next three to four weeks IMHO will be the worst time of the year! Which doesn't mean that you can't have good sex there..[/QUOTE]Every year the same story, last January I tested a lot of clubs mostly the LU were bad until mid of February.

[QUOTE=Canary;2269110]In the same way one of my favourites insists some customers like to pay double just to watch a guy & girl having sex. Despite her continued insistence this often occurs I again have my doubts.[/QUOTE]Well, I can vouch that twice in World last year, a guy approached me asking to be able to watch a session I was going to have with a girl, and offering to pay both the girl and me for the duration of the session. I did not agree.

Maybe I should have agreed, because later that night, when I was in one of the small rooms (with curtains instead of a door) opposite the shisha bar with a different girl, I saw him peeping in.

[QUOTE=NickTheG;2269293]Yesterday: full of men, and very limited lineup. Vacations for many girls already started after the weekend with the Christmas party in December. Those who stayed and took part in the special reward program had to stay until the new year's eve event was over. Many of them are gone by now. As I already mentioned, with regards to the lineup, the next three to four weeks IMHO will be the worst time of the year! Which doesn't mean that you can't have good sex there.

Some names from yesterday:[/QUOTE]Thanks for keeping it real Nick. Good information. Many thanks.