Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1941035]Do you guys tip at all?[/QUOTE]Yes; good service and a good attitude should be reinforced. Plus good karma all the way around.

Don't be a pushover though if she is lacking / effortless 'bye bye' is all she gets.

SL.

Reached Pattaya around 4:30 pm. Checked in and was at Honey2 by 5 pm for my ritual wash up.

My favorite. No 122 - was not in. I'd forgotten it's Sunday. Her day off. So opted for this one. Forgot her name and number.

Quite a talker. A student from Bangkok, she wasted a lot of time talking about things. The soapie massage was not bad at all. A little hurried for my liking. But the "boom boom" was the worse. Quick and mechanical. And I thought we'd got on well to begin with. I've never walked down alone in soapie place. Or not tipped the girl. I did both today.

Made my disappointment clear to the dude downstairs and walked out to Zab3 for a wonderful Tom Yum dinner.

Hope to find some great company tonight.

Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1941109]Thanks Mumbai Guy.

Sorry but what do you tend to give when tipping? For example Soi 6 girls versus gogo girls? Like I said for Soi 6 girls I sometimes give 100 baht, gogo girls maybe 100-200, but not always. Only if they are good.[/QUOTE]I feel what you give is fair. Even I tip in the range of 100-300 Baht. On an average 10% of what you pay for the session.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1939453]Girls at Ibar and otehr discos in Patts are usually polite when they rebuff you. Very rarely will they just ignore you or be rude. But of course I always approach them in a polite and friendly way. Not just "how much for a fuck?

Of course it stings to be rejected. I usually take a few minute to regroup, have a few sips of my drink, and then decide on my next target.

The problem isn't really finding a girl that will go with you. It's making sure that you are taking the one that you really want. Once I commit to a girl and established some rapport its hard for me to just abandon her for a sexier one that walks by. That feeling of "buyers remorse" is the worst you can do here in Patts. 555.[/QUOTE]I've seen girls reject me in Insomnia. It's usually quite polite, like they are there to work and not cause troubles. Like there was one stunner who was keen on a table of men who appeared to be rather wealthy (yet they were not quite interested). She politely and quickly / effiecintly indicated no interest in me when I approached and I totally understood. Then same night, had one who was rather cunty about me approaching her. Made it rather ambiguous and drawn out. Then exclaimed she wasn't attracted to me and proclaimed that I was just looking for women to have sex with for money LOL. In insomnia walking street of all places.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1941035]Do you guys tip at all?

For example, girls in Soi 6 bars, if you take them upstairs, do you feel obligated to tip her something, or nothing at all?

[/QUOTE]For Soi 6 girls, if they are pleasant and give a good performance, I will give 100, occasionally 200 for better than expected service. One girl gave a PSE once. She was amazing, and I think I may have given her 500 for the stunning performance. You definitely want to reward that kind of service! I think only one time, when the girl was rather disinterested, where she skipped the BJ and she started immediately with a fast HJ the second we laid down on the bed with not a trace for foreplay, I gave nothing. She didn't act like she even expected me to, either.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1941035]Do you guys tip at all?

For example, girls in Soi 6 bars, if you take them upstairs, do you feel obligated to tip her something, or nothing at all?

Coming from a western country I suppose it has been conditioned into me that you tip for service rendered.

On past trips I gave a few girls 100 baht tip (Soi 6) but most times I do not.[/QUOTE]Depends. I often tip if service was good and she made me feel comfortable with her or gave me a good GFE. I never tip when service was bad or indifferent.

The real trick that many seem to overlook is try not to OVERTIP. Just because we think 500 or 1000 b is nothing to us, its a shitload to a typical Thai.

And overtipping by many have led to many of the girls getting greedy.

I've seen this happen to me. Many girls I use to go with and gave decent tips and happy in the past now make faces or object to the tips as they say many guys give much more.

So it affects everyone down the road if guys overtip.

I rarely read or hear a fellow monger say he doesn't tip for whatever it is he considers "good" service, in order to encourage that "good" service and discourage "bad" service. Better for everyone all around, right? Been hearing that for decades.

With all this tipping going on to help produce that result over the years you would think the quality of service we are all getting today would be better than ever with hints that it will only get better tomorrow as long as we keep up our end of it with this very effective system of tipping.

Uh. Has anyone noticed that happening in these venues over the past few years? I haven't. If that oft repeated and expected result has not been significant enough to be blatantly obvious by now, then maybe we ought to either re-think the value to us of tipping or re-think our concept of the "good" service we are supposedly encouraging by tipping for it.

Just sayin'.

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;1941330]Reached Pattaya around 4:30 pm. Checked in and was at Honey2 by 5 pm for my ritual wash up.

My favorite. No 122 - was not in. I'd forgotten it's Sunday. Her day off. So opted for this one. Forgot her name and number.

Quite a talker. A student from Bangkok, she wasted a lot of time talking about things. The soapie massage was not bad at all. A little hurried for my liking. But the "boom boom" was the worse. Quick and mechanical. And I thought we'd got on well to begin with. I've never walked down alone in soapie place. Or not tipped the girl. I did both today.

Made my disappointment clear to the dude downstairs and walked out to Zab3 for a wonderful Tom Yum dinner.

Hope to find some great company tonight.

Happy mongering![/QUOTE]Yes, once they hit menopause the service declines.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1941587]I rarely read or hear a fellow monger say he doesn't tip for whatever it is he considers "good" service, in order to encourage that "good" service and discourage "bad" service. Better for everyone all around, right? Been hearing that for decades.

With all this tipping going on to help produce that result over the years you would think the quality of service we are all getting today would be better than ever with hints that it will only get better tomorrow as long as we keep up our end of it with this very effective system of tipping.

Uh. Has anyone noticed that happening in these venues over the past few years? I haven't. If that oft repeated and expected result has not been significant enough to be blatantly obvious by now, then maybe we ought to either re-think the value to us of tipping or re-think our concept of the "good" service we are supposedly encouraging by tipping for it.

Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]I think the simple answer is that Thailand does not have a tipping culture. Of course the girls will accept any extra money we give them (who wouldn't?) but they do not immediately associate it with the good service they have given.

So the tip we give is just to make us feel better or because we are used to give tips at any occasion.

And besides, how many of us are repeat customers? If the girls associate the tip with the quality of services they have provided, they will also associate it with you. So unless you return quickly and regularly and tip again and again and again, your tip is wasted: it will benefit neither you, nor the next customer.

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;1941330]Reached Pattaya around 4:30 pm. Checked in and was at Honey2 by 5 pm for my ritual wash up.

Quite a talker. A student from Bangkok, she wasted a lot of time talking about things. ![/QUOTE]If that's a student she must have been doing a master degree.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1941697]I think the simple answer is that Thailand does not have a tipping culture. Of course the girls will accept any extra money we give them (who wouldn't?) but they do not immediately associate it with the good service they have given.

So the tip we give is just to make us feel better or because we are used to give tips at any occasion.

And besides, how many of us are repeat customers? If the girls associate the tip with the quality of services they have provided, they will also associate it with you. So unless you return quickly and regularly and tip again and again and again, your tip is wasted: it will benefit neither you, nor the next customer.[/QUOTE]That has certainly been my observation and experience here over the years. The very best P4 P sex I have ever had has been with girls who seem not to give one damn about whether a tip is on the line or not. The worst has been with girls who apparently are used to getting tips from customers and stick their hands out for it as a matter of habit.

To whatever extent tipping beyond what has been agreed upon already "encourages" certain P4 P behavior, it seems to me the customers that came before me have been delighted enough to be with girls who haven't a clue how to finish a blowjob, are hopelessly mechanical, ignore any request to slow the f*ck down or alter their cruise control speed, give the head turn to DFK, go Jekyll & Hyde during the move between the bar and the room and so on to reward them with bonus tips at the end of the session.

Sorry, but I just don't have faith in the judgement of Joe Schmo from Buttfart, Iowa, for what is "good" P4 P service in Thailand to encourage him on these message boards to tip for it anymore. My recommendation to the general punter out there is DON'T tip for whatever it is you think is "good" service. The overwhelming evidence is you are obviously encouraging lousy service by doing that. Instead, simply tell the girl what you expect her to do for the amount of money you will pay her and honor that agreement. If she performs better than you expected, consider yourself lucky, but don't give her a bonus tip for it. She won't understand what was "good" about it anyway. Just take her name and number down and go back to see her again sometime soon. That is way more valuable to her than an extra bonus 300 baht or whatever.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1941848] Instead, simply tell the girl what you expect her to do for the amount of money you will pay her and honor that agreement. If she performs better than you expected, consider yourself lucky, but don't give her a bonus tip for it. She won't understand what was "good" about it anyway. Just take her name and number down and go back to see her again sometime soon.[/QUOTE]+1. The girl has no clue as to why a tip has been given, nor does the punter ever have the time to convey such a message when she is scooting him out the door so she can get onto the next customer. The only thing a tip conveys is "I am paying you more than was needed or agreed. " I stopped doing this at the oilies and it has not diminished the level of my repeat service one bit. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1941848]That has certainly been my observation and experience here over the years. The very best P4 P sex I have ever had has been with girls who seem not to give one damn about whether a tip is on the line or not. The worst has been with girls who apparently are used to getting tips from customers and stick their hands out for it as a matter of habit.

Sorry, but I just don't have faith in the judgement of Joe Schmo from Buttfart, Iowa, for what is "good" P4 P service in Thailand to encourage him on these message boards to tip for it anymore. My recommendation to the general punter out there is DON'T tip for whatever it is you think is "good" service. The overwhelming evidence is you are obviously encouraging lousy service by doing that. Instead, simply tell the girl what you expect her to do for the amount of money you will pay her and honor that agreement. If she performs better than you expected, consider yourself lucky, but don't give her a bonus tip for it.[/QUOTE]I completely agree! I never saw any difference in performance of girls who I had previous tipped and who I had not tipped, when I took them home for a second or third time. Also I never saw any difference in a girls willingness to see me again depending on if I had tipped her the last time or not.

So my conclusion is that a girl does not perform better because someone gave her a tip. The only thing that happens is the girl start to expect tips for no reason.

Also on the other hand, if a lady does apparently under perform in the bed, (which happens from time to time) do you think it would be accepted by the lady that you lower the agreed rate? No way!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1941848]That has certainly been my observation and experience here over the years........

Sorry, but I just don't have faith in the judgement of Joe Schmo from Buttfart, Iowa, for what is "good" P4 P service in Thailand to encourage him on these message boards to tip for it anymore. .......[/QUOTE]

Mr. ITunes : So, who is this guy Joe Schmo from Iowa?

A friend of yours, a past wingman, or just your drinking buddy from Iowa (BTW, since you guys seem to be from there, is it pronounced as "I. Owe - wah " since it's an Indian name) ?

Been trying to find his posts here .....without any success.

Wow, nothing points out the bitter vets like talking about tips.

When you first started mongering, were you so mechanical yourself? We always talk about the hardened pro girls, but how many mongers have hardened the same way?

Here's my take on tipping. If I enjoyed the girl and felt something special, I give her extra. I do it for myself. It makes me happy. I don't care about the next punter, or the previous one either. How much I tip her is a spur on the moment affair. It might come down to what change is in my pocket, how drunk I am, or her smile when I open the door.

I've had stunners who didn't get any tips and average looking ladies who've received several hundred baht. Every time, I ended the encounter with a smile. That's what's important, right?

Truth is, I fall in love probably 20 times a day when I visit Pattaya. I don't feel the need to constrain myself with petty stuff like formalized tipping amounts. Just do what makes you happy.