Kyiv

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2472700]Sorry, there are very few girls High End that even go Night Club now, probably been like this for 5-7 years. Locals barely even go to Clubs anymore, so you are not missing out. There is nothing exclusive about this. High End Escort agency are a huge waste of money. If You start spending more then $200 for a girl in Kiev you are spending way to much for a 5 or 6, maybe a 7 if you are lucky. You can go to many of the surrounding countries and have real models for $200-400, almost impossible in Kiev for newbies.

I have said and many others have said the same, that most of the real High End Girls are not even available to foreigners anymore. They have many options and many prefer to be with a Ukraine Dude's.[/QUOTE]It is only the clueless tourists would want to spend US $ 200 an hour. Let alone it is in Ukraine where the income per capita is much less that average in the EU. For this you would better visit FKKs in Germany, much better atmosphere and you have wide selection of girls.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2473177]It is only the clueless tourists would want to spend US $ 200 an hour. Let alone it is in Ukraine where the income per capita is much less that average in the EU. For this you would better visit FKKs in Germany, much better atmosphere and you have wide selection of girls.[/QUOTE]Correct, but there is way more guys paying way more then $200 in Kiev then you would ever know. Most deny or leave out this details and claim they are hooking up with 8/9's for $75, not possible in any destination, especially Kiev.

Been here a for a couple of days by now. Few tourists, but local people very active and cafes and bars and terrazes look busy as normal, only after 23.30 h things get slow weekdays since not many tourists in town. 90% of people wear no mask and in general in restaurants and cafes no stress about covid as in other places.

Strip clubs some change opening times like Rio now is 15 h to 22 h, not sure this time will make great experience, but I will check some day. I checked by night instead another strip club Princess Men Club down to khreschatyk hotel this one was open at night, fun vibe and show, not many people but not empty. Many different girls like more than 30 since this is probably one of the few operative at night.

Massage places operative as normal, tried Body to Body. Massage in Kiev at Shota Rustaveli St, 26. Not the girls advertised, but young, kind ones and good experience. Of course do not expect models in such places, but some pleasure and kind attention possible.

Clubs lets see on the weekend, open to suggestions on what will be busy if someone knows more.

I finally arrived yesterday and things in Airport went smoothly. I already had an Ukrainian SIM card so the app setup was easy, I have a long term visa so no insurance required, and passport control went smoothly.

I have conatcts for about 10 girls from Mamba and SA. I don't have time to maintain writing to more than that. I joined SA back at the start of the year when I thought I was going to be here at the end of March. My membership ended in April but a few of the girls were still in contact on WhatsApp/Viber.

I met the first SA girl this afternoon. I was jet lagged and didn't want to waste time working the more difficult options. She was about 30 years old (said 28 on SA profile), thin and fairly attractive. I'd say she was a 7+ in the past but time has not been her friend and I would put her as a 6+ now. Slim body but not as tight as the 19 year olds I am so fond of. In any case, just a normal girl trying to get by.

She wasn't asking for a specific amount which was actually challenging for me. We spent about an hour talking and about 2 hours in bed. Nice enthusiasm and really warm. A good experience for being so jet-lagged.

I gave her 1200 Hryvnas and she seemed content with that. I have a long road ahead of me and I might call her back. She sent me a thank you nte about an hour after she left me. It was nice.

I am meeting another SA girl tomorrow.

Also it is about 30 degrees here--perfect girl watching weather. lots of hotties on the street. No 9/10s by my standards but still lots of eye candy.

More later.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;2473458]I finally arrived yesterday and things in Airport went smoothly. I already had an Ukrainian SIM card so the app setup was easy, I have a long term visa so no insurance required, and passport control went smoothly.

I have conatcts for about 10 girls from Mamba and SA. I don't have time to maintain writing to more than that. I joined SA back at the start of the year when I thought I was going to be here at the end of March. A few of the girls were still in contact.

I met the first SA girl this afternoon. I was jet lagged and didn't want to waste time working the more difficult options. She was about 30 years old (said 28 on SA profile), thin and fairly attractive. I'd say she was a 7+ in the past but time has not been her friend and I would put her as a 6+ now. Slim body but not as tight as the 19 year olds I am so fond of. In any case, just a normal girl trying to get by.

She wasn't asking for a specific amount which was actually challenging for me. We spent about an hour talking and about 2 hours in bed. Nice enthusiasm and really warm. A good experience for being so jet-lagged.

I gave her 1200 Hryvnas and she seemed content with that. I have a long road ahead of me and I might call her back. She sent me a thank you nte about an hour after she left me. It was nice.

I am meeting another SA girl tomorrow.

More later.[/QUOTE]What is SA?

[QUOTE=Fred54;2473460]What is SA?[/QUOTE]I believe it is called SeekingArrangements. Global service. Try googling for details. Wikipedia explains this:"Sugar babies create profiles and join the website free of charge. Sugar baby members who register with their university email address automatically qualify for a Premium Membership status. Sugar Daddies and Mamas are able to register for site services free of charge, which provides them with a limited number of messages. After the trial period has expired, members have the option to either purchase credits for expanded messaging privileges on a monthly basis or on an annual basis with the Diamond Package."

Wish I could be a sugar baby for 18-22 years old Ukrainian sugar mamas. Maybe I should sign up for online classes at one of the universities.

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Wish I could be a sugar baby for 18-22 years old Ukrainian sugar mamas. Maybe I should sign up for online classes at one of the universities.
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Who knows, maybe some members of Millionaire / Billionaire Girls Club in Kiev with inclination for older men will contact you if you post fake photos of Kevin Costner look-alike, if not Harrison Ford or Clint Eastwood look-alike, and one of them could be a gem.

There has been a poster of Kevin Costner doing some sort of advertisement at a mall in my city in Ukraine for a few years now.

In fact this is something I should think about doing myself, as I have two university email addresses from my alma mater. No, one of them is not @sorbonne.edu.

[QUOTE=Fred54;2473460]What is SA?[/QUOTE]As PhotoSlider said, it is Seeking Arrangements. There is a thread dedicated to it on this board. I have had some success with it in other places in the world. However, I would not necessarily recommend it for Ukraine. Mostly girls with an over inflated opinion of self worth and scam artists that want money for nothing. If you are willing to do the work, you can find some good ones. But the best ones disappear very quickly.

There are actually some very attractive women there (if real) but most of the most beautiful Ukrainian girls are only interested in getting paid thousands of dollars for a trip to Dubai. I actually don't know if they are real as I have never invited any of them to Dubai. SA is great for the USA and Latin America. Or at least it was 5-6 years ago. As has been said, "The world has moved on... "

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;2473576]Who knows, maybe some members of Millionaire / Billionaire Girls Club in Kiev with inclination for older men will contact you if you post fake photos of Kevin Costner look-alike.[/QUOTE]I am young at heart, not even 60 yet, and insist it should be photos of Brad Pitt!

Second full day in Kyiv. I am already exhausted.

So I met my second SA girl. 32 years old. I saw this girl's passport so I know it is true. Super tight body, decent pretty face. By my standards I would rate her an easy 7. I think I have pretty high standards. For me a 6 is slightly better than average and a 7 is significantly better than average, but is not a beauty queen or model. A 7 is enough to turn my head if she were walking down the street. But this girl's body was very tight. About 160 cm and 45 kilos of lean firmness. The body is what is most important to me so overall for my taste probably a 7+.

In any case we spent about 2 hours talking and drinking a couple of beers and then about 3 hours in bed. Very active and passionate. Put on a good show of enjoying herself (maybe she did but that is not my real concern, although I like to think she did). I finished twice and after a rest she insisted on trying for a 3rd. She got me there after a good deal of effort. It has been a very, very long time since a working girl got 3 pops out of me. I paid her 6,000 hryvnia. For me she was better than most FKK girls I ever met. Certainly better than anything I can get in the USA for that price. Maybe it is my age.

We discussed a long term arrangement. I am sure DramaFree will say I am paying too much, but I have experience in his beloved Moscow and this girl more than made up for her age with sensuality and effort. At 20 years younger than me, she is a keeper. We are looking at about 25 k a month for 4-6 meetings. I am planning to see her again on Thursday to see if I feel the same and to solidify the agreement.

The meeting today makes me think the girl I met yesterday can't possibly be only 30. I am doubting if I will see her again. Maybe I can find an even better one than today going forward. I am happy for now.

I have no solid plan for tomorrow so I will look to contacting some apartment girl.

More later.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;2473757]It has been a very, very long time since a working girl got 3 pops out of me. I paid her 6,000 hryvnia. For me she was better than most FKK girls I ever met. Certainly better than anything I can get in the USA for that price. Maybe it is my age.[/QUOTE]It is Kiev Magic and maybe you've been away for way too long.

But why lock yourself up with one girl? Understandably, stability is good. No need for trial and error. But long term contract may adversely affect provider's performance. Unless you pay her per meeting or at the end of the month, it seems a little risky. Kozerog's payment plan is perhaps most reliable. What if tomorrow you get impressed even more with another lady? And then yet another.

Anyway, please forgive my interfering with your thought process, I am simply jealous of your success, and huge thanks for sharing the joy with relevant Forum members. I totally understand and respect.

Your pay is half of an hourly girl rate. Have myself one of favorite regulars in Kiev for 5000 UAH regardless of the meeting length. Usually 6-8 hours, but sometimes she meets me right after I check in into AirBnB upon the arrival from KBP, when 3-4 hours is max what I can do. We never discuss compensation, I simply slip an envelope with cash into her purse on her way out, and her eyes beam with a smile. Gorgeous young lady! Body is definitely a 10, attitude through the roof, and performance to die for. Looks. Out of this world.

Someone here (maybe Kozerog?) explained that 7 means a girl that is better than 60% of the population. Simple logic. From 0 to 10% is rated 1 and ugly. Therefore rated 6 is better than 50%, and 10 is better than 90%, or top 10%.

Everybody has his own criteria. To me attitude and performance are two most important factors. For others it is face, or body, or breast size, BBBJTC, and so on. Top 30% of Ukrainian female population is definitely not bad at all. And it seems performance of your lady was at least 9, if not straight 10. You are the lucky one in paradise right now.

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2473638]I am young at heart, not even 60 yet, and insist it should be photos of Brad Pitt![/QUOTE]You're so intelligent and wise that I thought you'd be a little older. My apologies!

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2473812]But why lock yourself up with one girl? Understandably, stability is good. No need for trial and error. But long term contract may adversely affect provider's performance. Unless you pay her per meeting or at the end of the month, it seems a little risky. Kozerog's payment plan is perhaps most reliable. What if tomorrow you get impressed even more with another lady? And then yet another.[/QUOTE]One of the best things about slightly more mature women is that they understand a paying man is never "locked up. " And I think she has more clarity on this because I am renting a separate apartment just for meetings. I don't want her her, or any girl, to have visibility on where I really live. And she can't possibly believe I would be spending the money for a separate apart just to meet with her.

Our general agreement is 4000 for 3-4 hour meetings and 6000 for overnights with a guarantee of seeing her enough to get close to the 25 k mark plus or minus. I think she wants to make the plus side of that, so I am expecting good performance to continue. I think for a woman her age, she thinks she has it good.

That said, I am seeing someone tomorrow at noon for 3 hours for 5000 that says she is 18 and she has sent me what she says are real pictures and she looks phenomenal. I will not hesitate to send her away with nothing in her pocket, not even taxi fare, if the pictures she sent are not accurate or her appearance isn't just as good. If you lie about looks, you get nothing. I cannot guarantee performance, but I can have standards for looks.

I took a break today because of the early appointment tomorrow. Pacing myself...

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;2473954]You're so intelligent and wise that I thought you'd be a little older. My apologies![/QUOTE]No need to apologize, but thank you.

I solemnly promise to become mature, sensual and the most responsive to the needs of young sugarmamas. Perhaps English as a Second Language classes at Kyiv National University would give me an eventual option of having educational email address aside from other benefits, especially when pandemic gets over and teaching moves into more intimate, face-to-face environment.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;2473956]One of the best things about slightly more mature women is that they understand a paying man is never "locked up.[/QUOTE]What a great slogan:

"Paying man is never locked up".

Can I please use it for my T-shirt business, that I am about to start for the last 10 years?

The other one is:

"Fuck this shit! Let's talk about them girls".

Yummy, your approach is solid. I considered renting a second "el cheapo" apartment, but never implemented it. Would come in so handy when double-booked! Also doing it for safety and privacy reasons.

Thank you for keeping the Torch high for the Forum!