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[QUOTE=Bravo;1564343]I have to disagree. I don't think the quantity of girls dwindled because of an economic boom for brasilians. (Shit, those girls were still living 5 deep in a 1 bedroom apartment! Middle class explosion had nothing to do with GDPs) The numbers dwindled because the girls started going to Europe in chase of the euros.[/QUOTE]Well the rich got richer. Who are the people you knew to be poor before, but are now a member of the middle class? Brazil don't work that way.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1564352]Well the rich got richer. Who are the people you knew to be poor before, but are now a member of the middle class? Brazil don't work that way.[/QUOTE]It depends on the country. Countries in the lower half of economic development, in poverty, usually see substantial growth of the poor upwards to the middle class. But countries that are already near the middle, who are rising to the upper ranks, who already have the infrastructure for finance and big business, generally have the rich just get richer, with only some "trickle down" wealth in the form of better civil services via taxation.
Interesting, but I never thought of Brazil as a country where girls would travel to work. The developed western world speaks either English or Spanish. Brazilian portugese is so different, that I would think they would have a hard time working and living abroad, except maybe obviously Portugal. They would need an organized "brothel" type system, like an FKK in Germany. Although I have not been to many, I have never seen a brazilian girl in an FKK.
Off topic, I will watch with great interest how Brazil deals with the world cup, and the time afterword. From what I saw, I don't think that Rio has the hotel volume or the infrastructure to handle the masses. I saw construction crews still building highways and bridges, with the games only one month away! I saw a CNN report that said that the Sao Paolo fresh water reserve is just about empty. How are hotel guests going to like turning on the shower and getting nothing? Brazil is investing a lot of money into these games. The only way they get some of it back is with tourists spending money. Apparently, the majority of tickets have been sold to Brazilians. But if the rest of the world is staying home on watching it on TV, that doesn't bring in any money.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1564352]Well the rich got richer. Who are the people you knew to be poor before, but are now a member of the middle class? Brazil don't work that way.[/QUOTE]37 million "poor brazilians" became middle class.
[url]http://www.sae.gov.br/site/?p=17665[/url]
I find it quite obvious that the big majority have better conditions now than before. Just see how they spend money.
[QUOTE=Manny51; 1564375]Interesting, but I never thought of Brazil as a country where girls would travel to work. The developed western world speaks either English or Spanish. Brazilian portugese is so different, that I would think they would have a hard time working and living abroad, except maybe obviously Portugal. They would need an organized "brothel" type system, like an FKK in Germany. Although I have not been to many, I have never seen a brazilian girl in an FKK.
Off topic, I will watch with great interest how Brazil deals with the world cup, and the time afterword. From what I saw, I don't think that Rio has the hotel volume or the infrastructure to handle the masses. I saw construction crews still building highways and bridges, with the games only one month away! I saw a CNN report that said that the Sao Paolo fresh water reserve is just about empty. How are hotel guests going to like turning on the shower and getting nothing? Brazil is investing a lot of money into these games. The only way they get some of it back is with tourists spending money. Apparently, the majority of tickets have been sold to Brazilians. But if the rest of the world is staying home on watching it on TV, that doesn't bring in any money.[/QUOTE]Spain is a popular place for Brazilian girls to go for work. The languages are similar enough that Brazilian girls will often ask me to speak to them in Spanish rather than in English because they can understand me better. Also, Spain has a large, well-developed sex industry that offers many venue options for a garota de programa to work and earn money. I have met more than a few Brazilian girls working in Spain. Often times they are among the small handful in any particular setting who will offer anal.
I too will be watching the World Cup with great interest. I'm anticipating that there will be a lot of organized protests. We should not forget that this isn't the first time that Brazil has hosted the World Cup though. Brazil hosted the Cup in 1950. But, that was a very different time then with very different expectations. A different Brazil and a different world. No 24/7 international TV all over the place and the common man jumping on airplanes and flying around the world as spectators. Not like what we have today.
By the way, they weren't ready in 1950 either! I just watched a documentary last night and you could see people cheering away in a clearly unfinished Maracana Stadium. If there are any Brazilian tutes working overseas, I imagine that a hell of a lot of them will be coming back home to cheer on the home team and get paid! I'm just hoping that Brazil doesn't embarrass itself the way India did with the 2010 Commonwealth Games that were held in Delhi.
[QUOTE=The Cane; 1564441]Spain is a popular place for Brazilian girls to go for work. The languages are similar enough that Brazilian girls will often ask me to speak to them in Spanish rather than in English because they can understand me better. Also, Spain has a large, well-developed sex industry that offers many venue options for a garota de programa to work and earn money. I have met more than a few Brazilian girls working in Spain. Often times they are among the small handful in any particular setting who will offer anal.[/QUOTE]Spain, huh? Darned. I have another vacation in a few months. I was debating between Spain OR Eastern Europe (Prague, Budapest, Vienna) and I decided on Eastern Europe. Maybe I chose wrong.
I am sure that they do well there. The comfort level that Brazillian women have with anal is very uncommon in other parts of the world.
[quote]After the brazilian economy improved people got better off. Lots of poor people became the new middle class. This means less poor women who becomes prostitutes. This doesn't only affects the quantity but also the quality. There are still more than enough privées in Rio, but the quality of the girls has gone down. More fatties with giant bundas de gelatina.[/quote]Sperto is correct, based on my observations having visited several years running before moving here 4 years ago. Also the economic boom meant that the GDPs were priced out of Zona Sul and had to start living (and coming) from way farther beyond. They used to live 2-3-4 in apartments in Copa, Botafogo, etc. This stopped being the norm as housing prices skyrocketed in Zona Sul. And the girls started living / coming from way father away. Past Barra (Jacarepagua and way beyond). Nova Igauzu and way beyond. The Baixada. Realengo / Bangu. Never used to see a lot of that. Now it's the norm.
The hotter girls who still want to work moved to SP to chase the money. Rio's GDP scene got hit particularly hard, IMHO.
[QUOTE=Sperto; 1564241]Don't romanticize how great Help was. I was never any Help fan but I went there many times anyway. Help didn't close during it's heydays, which were in the nineties. The final years when Help were open it had gone downhill. Less girls, ridiculous prices and not impressive quality on the girls. After Help closed, that part of Copacabana became safer with less thieves, streetkids, drugdealers and scumbags. Of course it also became more boring. Even I missed the action on the outside of Help.
After the brazilian economy improved people got better off. Lots of poor people became the new middle class. This means less poor women who becomes prostitutes. This doesn't only affects the quantity but also the quality. There are still more than enough prives in Rio, but the quality of the girls has gone down. More fatties with giant bundas de gelatina.[/QUOTE]Maybe during the last few years Help wasn't the same, but compared with what you have now (Balcony) looks like a million bucks!
Another dies working on "Pharaoh's" unfinished stadiums:
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/05/08/brazilian-worker-electrocuted-at-site-world-cup-stadium-construction/[/url]
[b]ioc chiefs 'make secret plea' to use london 2012 venues as rio 2016 olympic games fall behind schedule[/b]
so worried are olympic organisers by how far behind schedule the 2016 rio games has fallen, london has reportedly been asked, in secret, if it could host the event at the last minute. according to the london evening standard, an informal approach has been made by ioc chiefs to ascertain whether london's 2012 olympic venues could be brought back into use.
the build-up to the rio games has been labelled a shambles, with every venue badly behind schedule, spiralling costs and accusations of negligence. ioc vice-president john coates has already called brazil's preparations "the worst i've experienced", with just two years to go and a football world cup to host in between.
an "unprecedented" special task force has been set up to try and speed up preparations but the situation on the ground is said to be "critical".
full article:
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/10819420/ioc-chiefs-make-secret-plea-to-use-london-2012-venues-as-rio-2016-olympic-games-fall-behind-schedule.html[/url]
[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1565245][b]IOC chiefs 'make secret plea' to use London 2012 venues as Rio 2016 Olympic Games fall behind schedule[/b]
So worried are Olympic organisers by how far behind schedule the 2016 Rio Games has fallen, London has reportedly been asked, in secret, if it could host the event at the last minute. According to the London Evening Standard, an informal approach has been made by IOC chiefs to ascertain whether London's 2012 Olympic venues could be brought back into use.
Full Article:
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/10819420/IOC-chiefs-make-secret-plea-to-use-London-2012-venues-as-Rio-2016-Olympic-Games-fall-behind-schedule.html[/url][/QUOTE]Great article. Brazil is only 10% ready at this point? Wow. I guess the pleas is not so secret anymore. I bet they would do it if olympic village didn't have to be evacuated.
[quote=savepros321; 1565245][b]ioc chiefs 'make secret plea' to use london 2012 venues as rio 2016 olympic games fall behind schedule[/b]
so worried are olympic organisers by how far behind schedule the 2016 rio games has fallen, london has reportedly been asked, in secret, if it could host the event at the last minute. according to the london evening standard, an informal approach has been made by ioc chiefs to ascertain whether london's 2012 olympic venues could be brought back into use.
the build-up to the rio games has been labelled a shambles, with every venue badly behind schedule, spiralling costs and accusations of negligence. ioc vice-president john coates has already called brazil's preparations "the worst i've experienced", with just two years to go and a football world cup to host in between.
an "unprecedented" special task force has been set up to try and speed up preparations but the situation on the ground is said to be "critical".
full article:
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/10819420/ioc-chiefs-make-secret-plea-to-use-london-2012-venues-as-rio-2016-olympic-games-fall-behind-schedule.html[/url][/quote]if true, my hunch would be that real estate prices begin to plunge in rio after that anouncement. the economy begins to take a dive. i don't wish for this to happen, just speculating. thats all.
The IOC has denied the story. But of course! What else are they going to say? They did confirm that so far progress on the preparations for the 2016 Olympics are "the worst ever seen". Well, let's hope that in the end the Brazilian Games somehow live up to all the hype in the advertising spot (see link). We shall see. That is, if they don't move the Games to London!
[url]http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles/13219/20140510/olympics-2016-ioc-denies-london-will-replace-rio-de-janeiro-brazil-as-host-city-video.htm[/url]
They have to get the World Cup right first. Why somebody thought this country could handle both the World Cup and the Olympics one after the other is beyond me! They don't need these super sporting spectacles. What they need are roads, improved mass transit, schools, hospitals, affordable housing, and jobs. That's what they need. Among other things. I hope the Brazilian people spill out into the streets en masse in protest!
rio admits that it is not going to be able to clean up guanabara bay in time for the olympics! not sure what that will mean for all the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118][CodeWord118][/url] that were slated to take place, i wonder where they will move them to.
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/mayor-rio-fail-keep-pledge-clean-bay-202539530.html[/url]
I met up with a former Rio vet for dinner last night and we were talking about the upcoming World Cup. I mentioned that a number of my friends had asked me if I was going to Rio for the WC and they expressed surprised when I told them "Not in a million years!" My buddy said to me "I know Brazil is a favorite to win the World Cup, but then again, they are a favorite to win every time! Imagine the chaos and protests that will happen if Brazil gets bounced early!! They are already protesting about how much money brasil is wasting! How much more angry will the Brasilians be, if the team loses early!" Rio will be a fucking mess!!
Brazil and Rio have already lost the WC in the way that matters; economically by an serious observer.
[QUOTE=Bravo;1579824]I met up with a former Rio vet for dinner last night and we were talking about the upcoming World Cup. I mentioned that a number of my friends had asked me if I was going to Rio for the WC and they expressed surprised when I told them "Not in a million years!" My buddy said to me "I know Brazil is a favorite to win the World Cup, but then again, they are a favorite to win every time! Imagine the chaos and protests that will happen if Brazil gets bounced early!! They are already protesting about how much money brasil is wasting! How much more angry will the Brasilians be, if the team loses early!" Rio will be a fucking mess!![/QUOTE]