Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2501596]You have to cut Wolverine Gino some slack. As I recall, he never posted any comments bemoaning lack of masks among "the thousands of audience at the massive Trump rallies while Sleepy could not attract even a dozen people to his teleprompter readings, which surely signaled an impending Trump win" as their side kept telling us prior to the election. Now he is shocked to observe that people are in the streets after a Biden win and not following proper social distancing rules. As I said, like the tea party which discovers its fiscal prudence chops only when Dems are in power and gives a loud cheer when Trump spent trillions on increasing deficits, his base discovers the horrors of not distancing when it comes to the other side.

At least Pizza Cain is dead. He will not give +1 to Gino's comment. If his estate had any guts, they should press homicide charges against the POTUS.

P.S.: I have to say the spontaneous celebration by thousands of young people dancing all over our cities was the most joyous sight in a while. Badly needed after this annus horribilis.[/QUOTE]Thank you for revealing your hypocrisy and demagoguery (yet again) so clearly that there's no way anyone can take you seriously. You don't mind big crowds as long as they're Democrats. I don't know whether to laugh or cry, but it's sad to see how democrats like you are determined to divide the country.

"Homicide charges", LOL! I guess we can rule out that you ever went to law school.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2501566]But Swedes traveled abroad, are you from USA? Swedes travelled to Spain, Greece and other European countries without any problems.[/QUOTE]Many countries "allowed" passengers to arrive from Sweden, but expected them to self-quarantine. UK and NL removed Sweden from the quarantine list September 10 and August 19 respectively. Air travel is down 80 percent in every country in the world. Across the world in 2020, people have been driving to their holiday destinations, so most people I would guess have been staying within 500 KM of their homes. Dutch were driving to France and Italian. Italian and French were driving to Spain. But Scandinavia being geographically remote is excluded from most of these chains of contact, unless they opted for air travel. Here are the statistics for inbound / outbound travel at Stockholm Arlanda for October 2020:

[QUOTE]Due to the coronavirus outbreak and the limited operations of airports and airlines, only about 460,000 people arrived at and departed from Stockholm Arlanda Airport in October 2020. This was a considerable decline compared to the same period of the previous year, when the airport recorded roughly 2.2 million passengers.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/797099/monthly-number-of-passengers-at-stockholm-arlanda-airport-in-sweden/[/QUOTE]The above link has a graphic. It is behind a paywall but we can clearly see the total passengers for July, August, September were even lower than October. Also, many Swedish families have a summer tradition of going to their summer cottages / cabins, which means there is a mass exodus of people leaving Swedish cities, which would reduce social contact. Twenty percent of Swedish own their own summer home and 50 percent have access to one via friends and family: [URL]https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200813-the-swedish-staycation-obsession[/URL].

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2501566]Finland and Sweden are two very different countries when you look under the surface. Swedes are way more social, travel abroad more and have a larger immigrant community. Finland and Sweden doesn't share the same culture except from the northern parts of Sweden where few people lives.[/QUOTE]Swedish and Finnish are unique, but I suspect they are closer to each other culturally than they are with the rest of Europe. I imagine the dark winters, remoteness, and that need for survival forged cultures that are independent and used to being isolated for most parts of the year. If I had been forced to live there before modern luxuries such as electricity and modern heating, I am sure I would have been in saunas and drinking spirits too.

[QUOTE]While isolation is especially widespread among older people in Britain and Germany with the majority of those older than 75 living alone other countries in Europe are facing slightly different problems.

[b]In Sweden, for instance, loneliness is far from limited to older generations. According to the European Unions statistics agency, Eurostat, single adults without children make up about half of all households in Sweden. (Across the E.U., singles usually make up about a third of all households, which is already more than in most other places in the world, perhaps excluding Japan.)

Sweden has more than any other country embraced the idea of independent and autonomous individuals and has created institutions that guarantee that we are not dependent on one another, [/b]Erik Gandini, the director of the documentary movie The Swedish Theory of Love, told Radio Sweden in 2016. In his movie, Gandini blames Swedens long-heralded individual autonomy for the fact that up to 25 percent of all Swedes say that they frequently feel lonely.[/QUOTE]Bottom line: Just because you allow people to do things, does not mean they will necessarily do it. Yes, Swedish did not have a "lockdown". But I am fairly certain that their restaurant and public transportation industry remains on life support like everywhere else. If I had a teenage son, I could say to him, "You don't have a curfew. Stay out late. Go get drunk with your friends. Go get laid!" But if he is the nerdy and studious type, he will probably just come home early and study or play video games.

Looks like some special kids need to be pointed out few chronological events:

1) The US Election date is known as November 3rd for more than a year.

2) In March, Covid-19 hits USA, giving Democrats new lifeline to fight against Trump, at the time widely accepted as one of the most successful POTUS ever.

3) On August 19th, Pfizer CEO chooses to set sell date for 60% of his stocks on November 9th.

4) On Nov 9th only few hours ahead of when the CEO's stock sell is supposed to be executed, Pfizer announces 90% efficacy of their Covid-19 vaccine.

Bravo! Great plan!

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2501718]Thank you for revealing your hypocrisy and demagoguery (yet again) so clearly that there's no way anyone can take you seriously. You don't mind big crowds as long as they're Democrats. I don't know whether to laugh or cry, but it's sad to see how democrats like you are determined to divide the country.

"Homicide charges", LOL! I guess we can rule out that you ever went to law school.[/QUOTE]Ah the Shoe Swede makes his presence felt. Hope you had a good week and enjoyed watching the election results.

Is there a reason I need to explain my vote to a 3rd world dude that wants to sneak into our country a la a million Mexicans and other guys all around the world? If you don't mind, I will limit my dialog to the people who have actual votes and ignore the wannabe Trumpers for now. If ever you have a real vote here, you can have a real say. However, it may be a long time (as in, never) before that can happen thanks to the anti fence jumping walls and police put in place by Trump himself. So, my guess is, you will just have to be content worshiping him from afar.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2501834]Looks like some special kids need to be pointed out few chronological events:

1) The US Election date is known as November 3rd for more than a year.

2) In March, Covid-19 hits USA, giving Democrats new lifeline to fight against Trump, at the time widely accepted as one of the most successful POTUS ever.

3) On August 19th, Pfizer CEO chooses to set sell date for 60% of his stocks on November 9th.

4) On Nov 9th only few hours ahead of when the CEO's stock sell is supposed to be executed, Pfizer announces 90% efficacy of their Covid-19 vaccine.

Bravo! Great plan![/QUOTE]Gino,

Again and again, you demonstrate you really don't understand these things.

He filed the 10 b5-1 on August 19. Only QAnon Trumpers that see deep state in every thing including my coffee cup think there is a connection. By law, 10 b5-1 has to be filed for executives who have a knowledge of MNPI to make their trades and has to be filed prior to the actual trade. He did nothing illegal because the info that moved the market was fully public. That is unlike the criminals (Sen) Burr and Loeffler and hope GA voters remember Loeffler's criminality in the runoff. If the SEC has any issues with Bourla's trade, they can certainly take it up. After all, this is still an admin and agency structure in which every department works not in accordance with law but in alignment of Trump's political wishes and he is screaming from the rooftop that deep state delayed the vaccine data (which you are dutifully relaying to us).

Did you never make any stocks trades in life? Have you ever heard that CXOs at publicly listed firms do indeed trade their own company stock (because they receive so much of their comp in the form of stock and option grants) and have you ever wondered how they can do it because they are in possession of info which is not available to the public about their companies? The answer is 10 b5-1. For some reason, the right wing trolls are going berserk about this very standard procedure.

PFE has been a dreary stock. Going back the last 20 years, it has been above $40 for less than 18 months of the 240 months. When the stock popped briefly to $40+ on Nov 9th morning, the CEO who has a considerable amount of his net worth tied up in that stock took advantage of that brief window. You have to give him credit for his quick reflex.

As a "capitalist Trumper" you would well advised to cheer capital and gains on capital. However, as I said in another comment, the demographic shifts in the last decade have been such that a whole bunch of ex Union blue collar non college Whites have migrated from Dem to GOP especially in the industrial mid west, and a lot of the college educated, high pay white collar Caucasian voters migrated away due to Trump. It seems you are in the former camp.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2501839]Ah the Shoe Swede makes his presence felt. Hope you had a good week and enjoyed watching the election results.

Is there a reason I need to explain my vote to a 3rd world dude that wants to sneak into our country a la a million Mexicans and other guys all around the world? If you don't mind, I will limit my dialog to the people who have actual votes and ignore the wannabe Trumpers for now. If ever you have a real vote here, you can have a real say. However, it may be a long time (as in, never) before that can happen thanks to the anti fence jumping walls and police put in place by Trump himself. So, my guess is, you will just have to be content worshiping him from afar.[/QUOTE]It's funny, this Swede in here across many threads with his head all up between our defeated president's butt cheeks. It's a source of sure amusement.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2501508]Well, don't you want to ask yourself first how and why did China start the pandemic to start with? My money is on the honest answer to that, but too bad we will never know it if we actually end up with the Chinese government running USA in January, and then rest of the world by proxy.[/QUOTE]Lots of questions need to be asked and answered but I was dealing with the issue raised by you. Do lockdowns and masking really help?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2501949]Lots of questions need to be asked and answered but I was dealing with the issue raised by you. Do lockdowns and masking really help?[/QUOTE]Short answer: Nope.

Long answer: Can't believe China as usual. And the evidence is all over the map about lockdowns and masking, really nothing to conclude IMHO.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2501857]Gino,

Again and again, you demonstrate you really don't understand these things.

He filed the 10 b5-1 on August 19. Only QAnon Trumpers that see deep state in every thing including my coffee cup think there is a connection. By law, 10 b5-1 has to be filed for executives who have a knowledge of MNPI to make their trades and has to be filed prior to the actual trade. He did nothing illegal because the info that moved the market was fully public. That is unlike the criminals (Sen) Burr and Loeffler and hope GA voters remember Loeffler's criminality in the runoff. If the SEC has any issues with Bourla's trade, they can certainly take it up. After all, this is still an admin and agency structure in which every department works not in accordance with law but in alignment of Trump's political wishes and he is screaming from the rooftop that deep state delayed the vaccine data (which you are dutifully relaying to us).

Did you never make any stocks trades in life? Have you ever heard that CXOs at publicly listed firms do indeed trade their own company stock (because they receive so much of their comp in the form of stock and option grants) and have you ever wondered how they can do it because they are in possession of info which is not available to the public about their companies? The answer is 10 b5-1. For some reason, the right wing trolls are going berserk about this very standard procedure..[/QUOTE]Great! Looks like you really know a lot about me. LOL not.

Now, if Pfizer had announced 90% efficacy of the vaccine day (or even an hour) after that stock trade, that would have been clean. Or let's say announce that the vaccine is 80% effective before the election, that would have been clean too.

Now, about conspiracy theories, go talk to Bob Mueller.

Got to love how some people here assumes some others don't know something without even having a conversation about it. Basement keyboard warrior syndrome much? Or is that what's called a Condescending Douchebag? Even worse is that apparently these people's choice will run the world next 4 years? Mankind is doomed.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2501965]Now, if Pfizer had announced 90% efficacy of the vaccine day (or even an hour) after that stock trade, that would have been clean. Or let's say announce that the vaccine is 80% effective before the election, that would have been clean too.[/QUOTE]Do you even know what 80 or 90% efficacy even means?

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2501938]It's funny, this Swede in here across many threads with his head all up between our defeated president's butt cheeks. It's a source of sure amusement.[/QUOTE]I'm happy that you're amused while hiding in your basement, LMFAO!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2501965]Great! Looks like you really know a lot about me. LOL not.

Now, if Pfizer had announced 90% efficacy of the vaccine day (or even an hour) after that stock trade, that would have been clean. Or let's say announce that the vaccine is 80% effective before the election, that would have been clean too.

Now, about conspiracy theories, go talk to Bob Mueller.[/QUOTE]Making any sort of trade when Bourla was in possession of market moving info would be illegal.

It is a little sad and embarrassing that I have to even explain this. Perhaps you have never traded a stock in your life. That may explain this utter lack of awareness and absolute misconception.

"Illegal insider trading refers generally to buying or selling a security, in breach of a fiduciary duty or other relationship of trust and confidence, on the basis of material, nonpublic information about the security."

[URL]https://www.investor.gov/introduction-investing/investing-basics/glossary/insider-trading[/URL]

"Insider trading violations may also include "tipping" such information" -- The reason I said in a prior comment that "did you know the time series data about efficacy of the vaccine changed over time?" is due to this line. If ever you are in possession of any market moving info and you carelessly pass it on to other people, you are in serious violation of SEC rule and can go to prison even if you personally did not benefit from such action yourself. My friendly advice: never ever do it.

And what is the crack re: Mueller supposed to be? Mueller certainly did not investigate any insider issues. If it is some sort of pent up anger you are feeling inside related to the impeachment I can't help you there. Trump is one of the very few presidents who lost popular vote both elections he contested, got impeached, and is a one termer. He is facing a ton of legal suits from Manhattan the, tax authorities, and numerous sexual assault lawsuits after he leaves the office. No wonder he is seriously considering pardoning himself.

Oh yeah, you can call me a condescending douchebag to my face. No need to be coy about it in a separate comment.

I thought it might be worth cross-posting something that was on the Philippine thread.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2473886]I think you're talking about case fatality rates.

The important number is infection fatality rates.

As researchers like us have learned more about the spread of the virus, we have discovered that the total number of infected people is far greater than the number of confirmed cases. For example in New York, it was more than 10 times the previously announced infection rate.

When deaths from COVID-19 are divided by the total number of cases not just reported cases you get a statistic called the infection fatality rate (IFR). The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention currently has a best guess of 0. 26%% for the IFR.
[/QUOTE]On this thread ShooBree has made a similar point. The important statistic is not the CFR (which the media hypes up) but the IFR.

[URL]https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3410:[/URL]

[I]fatality ratio estimates now range from 0.02% to 0.86%, with a median of 0.26%,18 similar to that for seasonal flu.[/I]

[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf:[/URL]

[I]In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.[/I]

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2502034]I thought it might be worth cross-posting something that was on the Philippine thread.

On this thread ShooBree has made a similar point. The important statistic is not the CFR (which the media hypes up) but the IFR.

[URL]https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3410:[/URL]

[I]fatality ratio estimates now range from 0.02% to 0.86%, with a median of 0.26%,18 similar to that for seasonal flu.[/I]

[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf:[/URL]

[I]In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.[/I][/QUOTE]None of your links work. Flu mortality estimates are well below 0.1 percent worldwide (not 0.26), and at about. 06 in the US this past season. The flu also doesn't cause bodies to spill into the streets into refrigerated trucks if available or cause ICU units to frequently be stretched to the limits as is the case in the US and elsewhere at the moment. It also doesn't kill 250 K Americans in a season as Covid has thus far or cause long hauler syndromes in survivors. It though amazes me the morons that complain about "media hype" while they sell an array of bogus, agenda driven arguments equating Covid with the flu, arguing that "herd immunity" is achieved at 20% infected, masks don't work, Democrats steal elections but leave guys like Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell in office, and the list goes on.

P.S. If you got those links and analysis off a monger website buyer beware as adherents to the Trump cult are legion. With that I'm done, at least until the end of the year as I have extra work during this time. Enjoy.