FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=LaBambaBoy;2273038]LOL. Yes, I paid 100 430 three times on Friday night, but that is not normal for me. Hell, on this trip I paid 40 for 30 AO at Dietz twice, so. Can't say I am not fiscally responsible. And on Tuesday I had a lovely session with Lara at Sharks at the standard 50 for 30 (which included BBBJ, even though I didn't ask for it).

In 2 of the 3 cases last night, I had spent at least 15 minutes up front connecting with the girls; I knew we had chemistry, and that they were interesting to talk too. In that case, going 100 for 30 was calculated to get me a better experience. And it did pay off; I got a fun, sexy session with lots of joking, and fun cuddling after. All three sessions went more than 30 minutes in the room.

In the case of German Lara, I walked up, kissed her on the cheek, and told her I wanted to lick her pussy, 100 for 30. She really turns my crank, and I considered buying a much longer session. Kinda wish I had..[/QUOTE]If you spent over 15 minutes talking outside the room, it is reasonable to pay 100 for 30 minutes. People forget that time talking is time not earning. Some girls will inflate the prices and claim an hour is you spend a lot of time outside the room. However, if you are spending an hour or more with a girl, a few minutes of talk should be gratis. Smart girls know this. An experienced monger will agree to 100 for 30 but say I pay you more for talk time. It keeps the girl happy and maintains the standard pricing.

[QUOTE]Can we turn down the hyperbole already?[/QUOTE]Yes I agree with you. The hyperbole needs to be turned down.

[QUOTE]Unless you guys are also criticizing guys who opt for 100 euro for 1 hour, literally only one guy (LaBamba) endorsed overpaying. Despite that fact, a half dozen other guys here got their panties riled up. Speaking of Trump, Mob mentality and scapegoating like the kind you guys are showing is how people like Trump and Hitler came into power. Blame the Mexicans! Blame the Jews! Now, blame the Americans and Asians![/QUOTE]But I think you may need to turn down the hyperbole yourself a little bit. And you will also find that some of the negative comments have been made by both Americans and citizens of other English speaking countries. Nobody is criticizing guys who travel to Germany (be they Americans or Asians) unless they behave in a manner which is damaging to their fellow mongers. Some of us want to see good value preserved in the German FKK and Sauna Clubs. As I said many of us will pay for two or three hours in the room with a girl or book her for an entire evening of drinking and fun or even perhaps book two girls for a few hours. This would become prohibitively expensive if each and every 30 minutes is to be charged at Euro 100. The 30 minute in the zimmer for some slap and tickle for Euro 100 is setting a dangerous precedent and its in the interests of both locals and regular visitors not to let this happen by politely informing those not in the know of the correct way to behave. Sort of like telling someone visiting an FKK to sit on their towel in the sauna and not sit bare-assed on the wooden sauna seat. :)

Some guys reading this may be all sorry for the hookers and say they deserve Euro 100 for thirty minutes. Well this is not the Immaculate Sisters of the Poor Mouth Charity Forum for Romanian Hookers. Its the International Sex Guide and a forum for passing on the best information regarding mongering opportunities around the World. That includes letting guys know the best way to behave be they mongering in Thailand, Bali, China or Germany.

You are correct that this should be done in a polite and reasonable manner if possible. I try to do this and to add a little humor when possible.

A couple thoughts on the price thing from a global perspective.

I am going to Globe in a couple weeks widely acknowledged as a top experience. Prices there are set at 124/ halfhour (current exchange rate). As borders are relatively free would not a top girl prefer to work at Globe for 124 than Sharks at 50? So the best girls will work st Globe (seems borne out qualitatively in reviews of both) Does this not lead to the conclusion that by trying to artificially keep prices lower in Germany that the effect will be the quality in German clubs will be lower in a free market?

Japan of course is one of the most xenophobic countries in the world. They have made it explicit that most options are only available to Japanese and there is a significant Gaijin extra charge (for foreigners). This has led to the establishment of services that ONLY serve foreigners and will not serve Japanese.

The best part of the system at Tokyo Hentai Club (a foreigner only club) is they rate the girls silver gold and diamond. If you want to pay less you take a silver. Pay for best experience take a diamond. Makes perfect sense! No expectation that you get a diamond at silver price. (Though often silvers are new so maybe roll the dice and 1 in 10 is silver headed to diamond.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2273456]I am going to Globe in a couple weeks widely acknowledged as a top experience. Prices there are set at 124/ half hour (current exchange rate). As borders are relatively free would not a top girl prefer to work at Globe for 124 than Sharks at 50? So the best girls will work st Globe (seems borne out qualitatively in reviews of both) Does this not lead to the conclusion that by trying to artificially keep prices lower in Germany that the effect will be the quality in German clubs will be lower in a free market?[/QUOTE]Yes indeed FKK Globe (in Zurich) is a top experience but it can have some drawbacks. The best girls are often pre-booked solid by regulars and it can be difficult for tourists to get time in the room. Therefore an irregular visitor may have to settle for second choice girls particularly at weekends (or particularly from Thursday to Saturday).

The Swiss FKK and Sauna Clubs provide the girls with an opportunity to earn some serious money but this is not without some drawbacks. Clubs like FKK Globe operate strict regimes where the girls are expected to work regular hours as opposed to making up their own hours. Also the girls are strictly monitiored for performance and are regularly weighed and measured. Too many complaints or too many hamburgers and the girl can find herself relegated to one of the lesser clubs in the FKK Globe chain.

As to why the higher prices in Switzerland have not reached (yet!) as far as Germany, I'm not as sure about. Perhaps because the cost of living in Switzerland is about double that of the surrounding countries and consequently Swiss citizens are paid a lot more than their neighbors in Germany, France and Austria. There is also a lot of wealth and old money in Switzerland, even more than in Germany. Perhaps this is why FKK / Sauna Club hookers in Switzerland can expect to earn more.

Anyway, hope the FKK Globe trip goes well for you. I expect it will! :)

I forgot to say thanks. I often call the FKK God's gift to man. So yes, thank you to our German friends for the sane approach to legalizing the game and for defining and propagating the FKK format widely considered the best on earth. So thanks!

PS You might find the Japanese ala carte approach interesting/amusing. Go here to see explicit list of add on options and costs. With pictures! The nice thing is you know exactly what you are getting. You literally check boxes on a form when you book the girl. Very Japanese! LOL.

https://hentaitokyo.com/price

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2273450]And you will also find that some of the negative comments have been made by both Americans and citizens of other English speaking countries.[/QUOTE]Oh no doubt. The point was the scapegoating phenomenon in general, something definitely not restricted to locals in Germany.

[QUOTE=LaBambaBoy;2272617]
Natalia: Not a stunner, but a pretty girl, with a banging body. Dark hair, Ro, of course. Good English. She was very smiley, so I decided to break the ice with 100/30 with DATY and BBBJ, as is my custom. [/QUOTE]If we speak about the same girl, Natalia is moldavian. The first time I took her in October, it was 50 euros /30 mn, including DATY and BBBJ. And when I stay 1 hour with her, it's 100 euros /60 mn, including of course BBJ, DATY, and some special games. She worked in the past at Stuttgart (FKK Paradise).

[QUOTE=GuyFromParis;2273483]If we speak about the same girl, Natalia is moldavian. The first time I took her in October, it was 50 euros /30 mn, including DATY and BBBJ. And when I stay 1 hour with her, it's 100 euros /60 mn, including of course BBJ, DATY, and some special games.[/QUOTE]I too took her last October (only because I had time to kill before an appointment) for 50/30 incl BBBJ. Very good service, but face looks older when seen close-up in the room, and her breath was too smoky for my liking. She has a nice small tight body and seems to have quite a number of regular customers.

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2273469]Yes indeed FKK Globe (in Zurich) is a top experience but it can have some drawbacks. The best girls are often pre-booked solid by regulars and it can be difficult for tourists to get time in the room. Therefore an irregular visitor may have to settle for second choice girls particularly at weekends (or particularly from Thursday to Saturday).

The Swiss FKK and Sauna Clubs provide the girls with an opportunity to earn some serious money but this is not without some drawbacks. Clubs like FKK Globe operate strict regimes where the girls are expected to work regular hours as opposed to making up their own hours. Also the girls are strictly monitiored for performance and are regularly weighed and measured. Too many complaints or too many hamburgers and the girl can find herself relegated to one of the lesser clubs in the FKK Globe chain.

As to why the higher prices in Switzerland have not reached (yet!) as far as Germany, I'm not as sure about. Perhaps because the cost of living in Switzerland is about double that of the surrounding countries and consequently Swiss citizens are paid a lot more than their neighbors in Germany, France and Austria. There is also a lot of wealth and old money in Switzerland, even more than in Germany. Perhaps this is why FKK / Sauna Club hookers in Switzerland can expect to earn more.

Anyway, hope the FKK Globe trip goes well for you. I expect it will!.[/QUOTE]Or may it is just illegal to treat the woman like this in Germany, I worked in Switzerland except the mountains it is the worst country I visited, one world hypocrisy suits them perfectly.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2273456]A couple thoughts on the price thing from a global perspective.

I am going to Globe in a couple weeks widely acknowledged as a top experience. Prices there are set at 124/ halfhour (current exchange rate). As borders are relatively free would not a top girl prefer to work at Globe for 124 than Sharks at 50? So the best girls will work st Globe (seems borne out qualitatively in reviews of both) Does this not lead to the conclusion that by trying to artificially keep prices lower in Germany that the effect will be the quality in German clubs will be lower in a free market?

Japan of course is one of the most xenophobic countries in the world. They have made it explicit that most options are only available to Japanese and there is a significant Gaijin extra charge (for foreigners). This has led to the establishment of services that ONLY serve foreigners and will not serve Japanese.

The best part of the system at Tokyo Hentai Club (a foreigner only club) is they rate the girls silver gold and diamond. If you want to pay less you take a silver. Pay for best experience take a diamond. Makes perfect sense! No expectation that you get a diamond at silver price. (Though often silvers are new so maybe roll the dice and 1 in 10 is silver headed to diamond.[/QUOTE]First, at Globe You can pay girls in € = 130/30 mn. Also with credit card, with charge 10% .

Only 40/50 girls, less than at Sharks, but some beauties with great level in bed. CIM is 100 , anal 200 when provided.

Less expensive for me than 50 € I don t want to pay for a GND.

The very appropriately named British pop group "10 CC" (the average volume of sperm after an ejaculation) once had an album called "Bloody Tourist."

I think they were onto something. LOL!

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2273237]I don't understand why guys like you don't go to Switzerland (instead of Germany) where the standard of girls in the Swiss FKK clubs is generally speaking much higher. Sure you will be paying Euro 100 (or more) for your 30 minute slap and tickle session but with generally speaking much hotter hookers. You don't seem to mind paying that anyway.[/QUOTE]He'll end up paying twice there as well.

All in all, LaBambaBoy's example is unfortunately very typical for the short term thinking of tourists; clueless they come to ISG asking for information, some good people give it to him, and then he'll turn around and stab them in the back by doing the exact opposite.

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[QUOTE=Steve9696;2273456]I am going to Globe in a couple weeks widely acknowledged as a top experience. Prices there are set at 124/ halfhour (current exchange rate). As borders are relatively free would not a top girl prefer to work at Globe for 124 than Sharks at 50? So the best girls will work st Globe (seems borne out qualitatively in reviews of both) Does this not lead to the conclusion that by trying to artificially keep prices lower in Germany that the effect will be the quality in German clubs will be lower in a free market?[/QUOTE]Many mongers have went to Globe, and returned back to FKK in Germany, without looking back. So either they found optics to be similar to Germany or only marginally better than Germany. In other words, they concluded that you can have a "9" in Germany. Or go to Globe and find a "9.5" and pay double the price. Not to mention pay double the prices for food, lodging, and transportation.

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2273469]As to why the higher prices in Switzerland have not reached (yet!) as far as Germany, I'm not as sure about. Perhaps because the cost of living in Switzerland is about double that of the surrounding countries and consequently Swiss citizens are paid a lot more than their neighbors in Germany, France and Austria. There is also a lot of wealth and old money in Switzerland, even more than in Germany. Perhaps this is why FKK / Sauna Club hookers in Switzerland can expect to earn more.[/QUOTE]Not just old money. Switzerland is a tax heaven for the super rich, and due to banking, the Swizz franc is something like 30% overvalued compared to us dollar. The highest in the world on the new Big Mac index. While the euro is 10% or so undervalued compared to the dollar. But that is just the price of food, which probably drags down the differences due to the close proximity to the euro area. In reality the differences are even higher. But then also the clubs and the girls living there have higher expenses too.

Lastly there is the rule of money in the total pie. Mongering money spent in Switzerland is a total pie most likely constant due to the high starting price. It is not just the 130 e for the half hour, but also for entry and travel. And this total pie is also divided between the amount of girls and clubs too. So in nrw for example, this has a negative effect on prices, while in Berlin it has a positive effect. Then there is the willingness to pay among the mongers at the different locations, and they want to hit the price point where the total money is the largest.

As I assume the FKK clubs are rather bad at analysis, and so are most of the girls, they probably miss the mark in all mongering areas with FKK's. And probably all mongering areas in the world. Maybe Thailand is the closes to hitting equilibrium due to the vastness of the scene there and options. Even though tourists are getting screwed at paying 2 or 3 times the local price.

[QUOTE=HornyHarry;2273765]All in all, LaBambaBoy's example is unfortunately very typical for the short term thinking of tourists; clueless they come to ISG asking for information, some good people give it to him, and then he'll turn around and stab them in the back by doing the exact opposite.[/QUOTE]Do you all really think it's that dire and all that prevalent?

If they are approachable I make it a point to converse with starry eyed or lost tourists. With Americans, I don't notice too much overpaying. I see some tipping but nothing crazy, and they do it because they are pressured on the spot when the girls ask. I can't put them at fault as long as the tip is only 10-20 e.

I notice more of the overpaying with the east Asians. And that is because they really don't know better and just pay what the girl asks. That's due to both ignorance and a little bit of culture of public meekness, especially in a foreign land.

So instead of spewing venom (which is appropriate for the likes of LaBamba who is obviously unapologetically fucking shit up,) why not make a small contribution to the beloved scene and inform the east Asian guys on how it's done? I've done that a few times and they were very receptive. Believe me, getting a good deal and bargaining at the marketplace is something very important in the East Asian culture, Japan perhaps being a weird exception to the rest of Asia.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2273876]Many mongers have went to Globe, and returned back to FKK in Germany, without looking back. So either they found optics to be similar to Germany or only marginally better than Germany. In other words, they concluded that you can have a "9" in Germany. Or go to Globe and find a "9.5" and pay double the price. Not to mention pay double the prices for food, lodging, and transportation.[/QUOTE]I admit I've never been disappointed in Germany. I just go where work takes me. At the time I loved World, Oase, Sharks, Palace, Artemis. All have beauties if you look (and I have a darn fine pair of beer goggles!)

I am sure I will love Globe. And will even give Aphrodisia at least one go despite the heart-stopping (for Europe) prices.

Going to give Claudius Caeser a go in Graz, but this may be TOFTT as no one has any Intel on it. I will let you know.