Angeles City

You didn't know you had expert duck in hand mongers following you around knowing every girl you came in to contact with. Best to listen to all the unsolicited advice. Not!

Meanwhile thanks for your report.

Just a quick question since I'm a little confused. In Thailand, the bar fine is paid to the bar and then you must pay the fee for the lady for short time or long time. But I have been reading this forum preparing for a trip and this question is unclear here since many pay more and many don't. What is the true answer? In Angeles City, does the bar fine, your payment to the bar, include sex, or do you have to pay extra to the lady for ST or LT? I'm not talking about a tip guys, just whether the bar fine includes everything or if you need to pay the ST or LT fee to th girl later or not?

[QUOTE=VicVeg;2068530]In general I agree with you, but not in this case. The high fashion, high image-seeking girls that hang out at the club, and don't leave the house without looking great etc. Are more concerned with appearance than with sex. Money is expected to come easily for them. Guys are expected to just fall in place to pay for them etc. So they don't need to have sex for the cash directly. When she and I had sex, I could tell that sex was not high on her priority list in life. She was not hot for it, or needing of it. She had it, probably for the hope of making me into a long-time provider for her (sugar daddy).

Many girls in AC (often bar girls) are young, dumb? And without personality, smarts, experience, education, etc etc, to where they couldnt expect any guy (or employer) to want them for anything besides their youth and sexuality. These high fashion club girls I am talking about had personality and smarts etc and definately could rope guys in to be with them for more than sex. When I was with them, there was surely alot of fun and excitement in the air. Definately not the air of desperation seen by the BG's doing their zombie dance at a Bar.

As far a everyone in AC F'ing someone, I have tried chatting up waitresses etc and have gotten no where. There are some girls happy enough schlepping drinks or food all day and going home to the boyfriend and child, and wouldn't F a foreigner for all the $'s on Wall Street.[/QUOTE]MOST are fucking someone. What guys forget is that its more then likely a Filipino boyfriend who they are fucking. The high so girls you speak of who have personality and smarts don't really have much to offer a guy either besides youth and sexuality. The high so girls know they will land a sucker because most of the guys that come here and go to the club are 2 week millionaires. They are also not much smarter then the girls themselves because they only think with there little head and are numb from to much alcohol consumption. The girls take full advantage of these guys and play them for has much money has they can get.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2068595]In Angeles City, does the bar fine, your payment to the bar, include sex, or do you have to pay extra to the lady for ST or LT? I'm not talking about a tip guys, just whether the bar fine includes everything or if you need to pay the ST or LT fee to th girl later or not?[/QUOTE]Prostitution is illegal in the Philippines. So sex is not guaranteed, altough more oft than not it is included. Technically a bar fine only means that the girl can leave work. There are no separate prices for ST/LT that I have come across. The one price you are told covers all until it is time for the girl to come back to the bar the next day. Whether she will stay with you all of that time YMMV.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2068595]Just a quick question since I'm a little confused. In Thailand, the bar fine is paid to the bar and then you must pay the fee for the lady for short time or long time. But I have been reading this forum preparing for a trip and this question is unclear here since many pay more and many don't. What is the true answer? In Angeles City, does the bar fine, your payment to the bar, include sex, or do you have to pay extra to the lady for ST or LT? I'm not talking about a tip guys, just whether the bar fine includes everything or if you need to pay the ST or LT fee to th girl later or not?[/QUOTE]Generally the AC barfine is inclusive of the girl. Some places may not accept the bfine direct, especially if you are a new customer, then you will pay the girl and she in turn pays the bar. Sex is not quarantee as it would be against the law. You buying time to take her out, then it is up to consenting adults.

Generally it is ST and up to the girl to decide if she stays LT. She may ask for a better tip for LT. Personally I think they quote ST so they don't have to commit for LT without knowing you first.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2068614]Generally the AC barfine is inclusive of the girl. Some places may not accept the bfine direct, especially if you are a new customer, then you will pay the girl and she in turn pays the bar. [/QUOTE]Paying the girl directly certainly makes me feel better than paying the bar directly, so I'm ok with that. I assume this can be done when she is ready to go or do you have to pay it to her at the bar and then she hands the bar their share before leaving with you?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2068614]Sex is not quarantee as it would be against the law. You buying time to take her out, then it is up to consenting adults.[/QUOTE]I think sex is illegal in Thailand so your analogy is correct but a little bit naive for this discussion since we all pretty much understand this point as experienced mongers.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2068636]Paying the girl directly certainly makes me feel better than paying the bar directly, so I'm ok with that. I assume this can be done when she is ready to go or do you have to pay it to her at the bar and then she hands the bar their share before leaving with you?[/QUOTE]Pay at the bar. Pay her or pay the bar. Then she will change clothes to go out with you. If you make a big deal out of it they might suspect you to be LE informer and you will be shxt out of luck. It is done discreetly. I usually pay it with my drink tab and it is done quietly.

Other poster might tell you to pay the girl later. Don't bother asking that.

Don't go screaming aloud I want to barfine you honey. Just whisper to her with your ground (bed) rules amd if she accepts then ask her how do you take care of the barfine. She will tell you and then tell the waitress or mamasan.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2068609]Prostitution is illegal in the Philippines. So sex is not guaranteed, altough more oft than not it is included. Technically a bar fine only means that the girl can leave work. There are no separate prices for ST/LT that I have come across. The one price you are told covers all until it is time for the girl to come back to the bar the next day. Whether she will stay with you all of that time YMMV.[/QUOTE]A Few bars have a different price for ST vs longtime, But these are mostly the BJ bars on Raymond, Santos and the few right where Garfields is on perimeter Road. All the others you must make arrangements to what you want with the girl on how much time she will be with you.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2068595]Just a quick question since I'm a little confused. In Thailand, the bar fine is paid to the bar and then you must pay the fee for the lady for short time or long time. But I have been reading this forum preparing for a trip and this question is unclear here since many pay more and many don't. What is the true answer? In Angeles City, does the bar fine, your payment to the bar, include sex, or do you have to pay extra to the lady for ST or LT? I'm not talking about a tip guys, just whether the bar fine includes everything or if you need to pay the ST or LT fee to th girl later or not?[/QUOTE]Note that AC is different than Manila (EDSA Entertainment and Burgos). In AC you pay fully at the bar (and give the girl an optional tip later) but in Manila you pay a bar fine and then you pay the girl. EDSA for example is php2000 to the bar and most girls ask for 2500-3000ST.

AC is easier on your wallet.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2068636]Paying the girl directly certainly makes me feel better than paying the bar directly, so I'm ok with that. I assume this can be done when she is ready to go or do you have to pay it to her at the bar and then she hands the bar their share before leaving with you?[/QUOTE]When it is time to leave the bar the girl will ask you for the bar fine money. I tell her to tell the mamasan that I will send it back with her when she comes back the next day. She then goes to get permission to do it this way. My method is unconventional however.

Most guys give it to the girl in the bar before leaving. Then as far as I know, the girl gives that entire amount to the bar before leaving with you. If you do it this way though, you have no leverage if the girl decides to leave early. And several people have complained about runners.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2068638]I think sex is ileagal in Thailand so your analogy is correct but a little bit naive for this discussion since we all pretty much understand this point as experienced mongers.[/QUOTE]Yes, but AC is a horse of a different color. If you do or say certain things they may think you are the police and will tell you there is no such thing as a bar fine or that they can not leave out with you, etc. My first time going to AC I was with a Filipino friend. In every bar we went to they thought he was the police, so the girls were not as loose as they may have usually been.

If you do some reading in this section you will see that the police have been known to show up on occaision and take every employee in the bar to jail for how much ever amount of time as well as shutter the bar.

I am a lover of the Bigguns. 'A', 'be', and often 'see's' don't do much for me. And in AC, there are no Bigguns. In Makati, you have the model types, who get implants and can sport the 'see's' and 'D's'.

There is a waitress at Phillies and she has 'DD's'. I asked her if she if full filipino as she is a rarity. She said she was. I asked if she has a BF, and of course she does.

Of all the girls I have bedded in AC, and all the massage girls who have whacked me off, and I managed to suck on their titties while they did it, I have go to say, looks are deceiving. What look like ok sized titties in a bra, soon become 'A's' when nude in the room. And they have little nips. Little to suck on. What a let down!!

I know guys in the USA who won't go to the phils due to the small titts available. They go to europe as they have Bigguns over there.

Finally, I flew into AC for the first time. Seems like all the flights come from Seoule. The business people in AC should work to get flights from Hong Kong, Tokyo, etc etc to increase their inflows of guys. With all the towers being built, they need better and cheaper access to AC. I paid and extra 200 usd to fly into AC, and it almost felt worth it to avoid manila and the dreaded swagman bus. Just my thought.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2068653]
Don't go screaming aloud I want to barfine you honey. Just whisper to her with your ground (bed) rules amd if she accepts then ask her how do you take care of the barfine. She will tell you and then tell the waitress or mamasan.[/QUOTE]It's even better to avoid the word 'barfine'. When I was still taking girls from the bars I often got a loud 'shhhh' as response when I used the word. They often referred to it as the Early Work Release (EWR), a form that the girls had to sign when they were taken out by a customer.

[QUOTE=VicVeg;2068788]
Finally, I flew into AC for the first time. Seems like all the flights come from Seoule. The business people in AC should work to get flights from Hong Kong, Tokyo, etc etc to increase their inflows of guys. With all the towers being built, they need better and cheaper access to AC. I paid and extra 200 usd to fly into AC, and it almost felt worth it to avoid manila and the dreaded swagman bus. Just my thought.[/QUOTE]There are flights from Hong Kong (Cebu Pacific and Cathay Dragon).

Also flights from Singapore, Dubai (via Cebu) and Doha.

However not from Tokyo (but do we want more Japanese?) and unfortunately also not from Bangkok anymore which is a real PITA.

[URL]http://www.clark-airport.com/flight-schedules.htm[/URL]