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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2068898]There are flights from Hong Kong (Cebu Pacific and Cathay Dragon).
Also flights from Singapore, Dubai (via Cebu) and Doha.
However not from Tokyo (but do we want more Japanese?) and unfortunately also not from Bangkok anymore which is a real PITA.
[URL]http://www.clark-airport.com/flight-schedules.htm[/URL][/QUOTE]Direct flights from Shanghai, Beijing start in October I believe.
The cheapest flights are into Manila from USA, a savings of $200 or more. I have been flying into Manila and staying 2 nights and then flying to Cebu or other cities, then flying to Clark. This avoids the traffic from Manila to Angeles especially when my flight lands in Manila around 10 pm.
I have a couple girls on standby in Manila when I land or I can get an AC girl or two to bus their way to Manila. Either way I am happily in bed by midnight. I like to start my trip the first night with known performers.
Usually in Cebu I have a known performer or two and one will bring a newbie or two. Last night I was messaging one and she was out with a couple girls celebrating friends 18th birthday. She sent me her picture and she was pretty cute and stated she was a virgin and never had a boyfriend. She is going to ask her if she wants me to break her cherry!
On my last trip I was going to fly from Clark to Boracay and then on to Manila before going home. The storm put a dampener on that plan. No sense going to Boracay when it is raining or least for my first time there. I will try that next time, then I will have a complete circuit.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2068928]The cheapest flights are into Manila from USA, a savings of $200 or more. I have been flying into Manila and staying 2 nights and then flying to Cebu or other cities, then flying to Clark. This avoids the traffic from Manila to Angeles especially when my flight lands in Manila around 10 pm.
I have a couple girls on standby in Manila when I land or I can get an AC girl or two to bus their way to Manila. Either way I am happily in bed by midnight. I like to start my trip the first night with known performers.
Usually in Cebu I have a known performer or two and one will bring a newbie or two. Last night I was messaging one and she was out with a couple girls celebrating friends 18th birthday. She sent me her picture and she was pretty cute and stated she was a virgin and never had a boyfriend. She is going to ask her if she wants me to break her cherry!
On my last trip I was going to fly from Clark to Boracay and then on to Manila before going home. The storm put a dampener on that plan. No sense going to Boracay when it is raining or least for my first time there. I will try that next time, then I will have a complete circuit.[/QUOTE]They had better do something to get more people into AC. Most bars reak of desperation. They built all those towers recently (ex: penthouse) and are now building a new club (owned by ABC at start of walking street), yet fewer guys come to AC. And now with the smoking ban, who knows how the Koreans will react (Koreans still smoke unlike the Americans). And with the phils warming up to the Russians, and also the US accusing Duetarte of crimes against humanity with his drug war, who knows if US ships will still pull up to Subic and let out 3000 horny sailors. I remember years ago there would be a line at ATM's a mile long with US sailors.
We all know the Phils is definately NOT a business-savy country. But you figure all the wise foreigners that own the town (the Dollhouse group owners out of Hawaii, for ex.) would step in and do what it takes to get more flights into AC, better buses from Manila, smoking sections in the clubs etc etc. Else AC will continue dieing, more clubs will close, and hotels will lose $.
BTW, a retiree told me the smoking ban is just an effort by the Phils authorities to get more kickbacks from the clubs. The clubs allowing Huka smoke are paying the kickbacks I have heard (ex: gossip, Aqua).
I hear you there are flights from a few different countries, but for me flying from Japan, there were only bad flights through Seoule. And if war with north Korea lights off, what will happen to those flights, and the thousands of horny K's that come to AC to get their 333 on??
Just thoughts from a business-savy american who cares about the future of the Oasis called AC.
[QUOTE=VicVeg;2068938]They had better do something to get more people into AC. Most bars reak of desperation. They built all those towers recently (ex: penthouse) and are now building a new club (owned by ABC at start of walking street), yet fewer guys come to AC. And now with the smoking ban, who knows how the Koreans will react (Koreans still smoke unlike the Americans). And with the phils warming up to the Russians, and also the US accusing Duetarte of crimes against humanity with his drug war, who knows if US ships will still pull up to Subic and let out 3000 horny sailors. I remember years ago there would be a line at ATM's a mile long with US sailors[/QUOTE]The business model of Angeles is changing. Unfortunately the bar scene is at the forefront. Look to the Global City / Aerotech and BPO area to the rear of SM Clark. 30,000 new office jobs coming over the next few years.
Enjoy it while it's there as the economy is emerging.
BD.
[QUOTE=VicVeg;2068938]But you figure all the wise foreigners that own the town (the Dollhouse group owners out of Hawaii, for ex.) would step in and do what it takes to get more flights into AC, better buses from Manila, smoking sections in the clubs etc etc. Else AC will continue dieing, more clubs will close, and hotels will lose $.[/QUOTE]Come on business savy American. Do you really expect these people to set up a meeting with the marketing department at Cebu Pacific and tell them they should put more flights into Clark so that their bars will have more customers? Not unless they want to get laughed out of the Philippines. Even when there was a Bangkok flight, the only "bar" person I saw on it was me.
While I realize that some of you are non smokers and are positively giddy over the new ban, I am not so thrilled. No prizes for guessing I smoke. What I want to know is are they taking this seriously, haphazardly, a token bit of enforcement or. ? I will not be too happy if smoking is banned from all bars and even near public spaces outside? It might not stop me from going to AC but I will definitely think twice and also about my length of stay. I can't actually see how going out for a smoke would even work with half finished drinks to go back to, waitresses chasing you out the door with your unpaid bill not realizing you are coming back in 5 minutes etc. Any news from people on the ground?
Southeaster.
[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2068990]The business model of Angeles is changing. Unfortunately the bar scene is at the forefront. Look to the Global City / Aerotech and BPO area to the rear of SM Clark. 30,000 new office jobs coming over the next few years.
Enjoy it while it's there as the economy is emerging.
BD.[/QUOTE]30,000 more low paying jobs where the employees cannot live or party near Fields ave without a Tourist supporting them / paying for them. Tinder is loaded with call center girls who hate their low pay and bang the stray foreigner for big cash. So I expect the bar scene to not go anywhere soon. All those hotels will either close up or become slum hotels overnight if the bars close and the tourists go elsewhere. The retirees don't stay there either. I think the authorities might try to be 'righteous' and close / limit the bars (eg smoking ban) but then big $ people will come forward to do what is necessary to keep AC bringing in the tourist dollars.
I know in Florida has the sping breakers bounce from town to town (after they ruin their welcome, a town clamps down on them and pushes the kids to another town). But where else would the Mongers go in the phils? Expensive and crowded manila / makati or distant Cebu or? The phils would be crazy to push away all that money by driving the mongers out of the phils all together. Especially as Asia rises. If they were smart, they would try for some of the Chinese money as they rise to the first world and will start mongering like Korea has in the past 10 years. But then again, who knows what Duetarte or the business-non-savy filipinos might do. Just my 2 cents.
Thanks everyone for the PMs and posts. Much appreciated. The thing for me is the risk of the girl running. When I bar fine a girl for the first time, I will insist we go immediately back to my hotel. That way she cannot make an excuse of time being up if we go to party or eat first. I assume if the girl did a runner on the way to your hotel right after you leave the bar, you would have grounds to get the money back from the bar. However, after spending 2 hours at a disco and eating dinner together, if the girl does a runner, then the bar would say she has spent the allocated time with you so there is nothing they can do. After repeating with a girl, then it will be safe I think to do the dinner, disco, and back to the hotel thing after for sex. This business model is similar to the Thai scene in BKK such as Saphan Kwai. The customer loses control and opens himself up for a lousy session. Only the hope of a tip or YMMV can make this experience a good one. I like Mr. E's strategy of telling the bar he will pay everything to girl after. If the bars agrees, that's the best idea. I think this could be arranged if the Moma son sees you as a good guy in the bar. For example, if you are buying an abundance of lady drinks and tip well, they will trust you more to accept this scenario.
[QUOTE=VicVeg;2069040]30,000 more low paying jobs where the employees cannot live or party near Fields ave without a Tourist supporting them / paying for them. Tinder is loaded with call center girls who hate their low pay and bang the stray foreigner for big cash. So I expect the bar scene to not go anywhere soon. All those hotels will either close up or become slum hotels overnight if the bars close and the tourists go elsewhere. The retirees don't stay there either. I think the authorities might try to be 'righteous' and close / limit the bars (eg smoking ban) but then big $ people will come forward to do what is necessary to keep AC bringing in the tourist dollars.
I know in Florida has the sping breakers bounce from town to town (after they ruin their welcome, a town clamps down on them and pushes the kids to another town). But where else would the Mongers go in the phils? Expensive and crowded manila / makati or distant Cebu or? The phils would be crazy to push away all that money by driving the mongers out of the phils all together. Especially as Asia rises. If they were smart, they would try for some of the Chinese money as they rise to the first world and will start mongering like Korea has in the past 10 years. But then again, who knows what Duetarte or the business-non-savy filipinos might do. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]Next time you are in AC let me know and I will show you the rising middle class of Philippines. They are the ones in the 800,000 not so low paying call center jobs in Pampanga. It's surprisingly very cheap for filipinos to live in the Philippines. These staff will earn enough money to start owning cars if they choose and take overseas holidays. There really is alternatives to working in the bar. It's very possible that the average bar girl of today would be very happy to just be a jaja for a call center girl.
I agree there are certainly call center girls earning extra cash. They also do it for fun, it's a choice and not necessity.
BD.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2069081]I assume if the girl did a runner on the way to your hotel right after you leave the bar, you would have grounds to get the money back from the bar. [/QUOTE]This is a big assumption and likely to be incorrect in today's market.
There was a time when bars where keen to attract all the punters they could so they and the mama would often side with the disgruntled punter and organise an exchange or some sort of deal. However, now bars are desperate to find and keep girls to the point that pretty high earners will always be in the right.
In today's market it can be in the interest of everyone on the supply side, EG BG, mama, bar owner, for the girl to be able to get two or more customers per night.
Having said that I've only had a couple of runners in many years and the risk decreases substantially if everyone's intentions are clarified before paying and leaving the bar.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2068928]The cheapest flights are into Manila from USA, a savings of $200 or more. I have been flying into Manila and staying 2 nights [/QUOTE]You can book multiple destinations on Cathay pacific, Eva air etc who fly to Manila as well as Cebu. I have flown into either and flown back from other. This avoids going back to where you landed. As for price there are no increase if you do this.
[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2069093]Next time you are in AC let me know and I will show you the rising middle class of Philippines. They are the ones in the 800,000 not so low paying call center jobs in Pampanga. It's surprisingly very cheap for filipinos to live in the Philippines. These staff will earn enough money to start owning cars if they choose and take overseas holidays. There really is alternatives to working in the bar. [/QUOTE]My office has 12 filipinas (6 in Manila; 3 in Visayas; 3 in Mindanao) who each earn 1500 USD per month (or 75,000 php).
No way would they be needing to go anywhere near a bar.
One of the Manila group even has her own car and driver (her husband also has a good job).
They represent the rising middle class that BD mentions.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2069081]Thanks everyone for the PMs and posts. Much appciated. The thing for me is the risk of the girl running. When I bar fine a girl for the first time, I will insist we go immediately back to my hotel. That way she cannot make an excuse of time being up if we go to party or eat first. I assume if the girl did a runner on the way to your hotel right after you leave the bar, you would have grounds to get the money back from the bar. However, after spending 2 hours at a disco and eating dinner together, if the girl does a runner, then the bar would say she has spent the allocated time with you so there is nothing they can do. After repaeating with a girl, then it will be safe I think to do the dinner, disco, and back to the hotel thing after for sex. This business model is similar to the Thai scene in BKK such as Saphan Kwai. The customer loses control and opens himself up for a lousy session. Only the hope of a tip or YMMV can make this experience a good one. I like Mr. E's strategy of telling the bar he will pay everything to girl after. If the bars agrees, that's the best idea. I think this could be arranged if the Moma son sees you as a good guy in the bar. For example, if you are buying an abundance of lady drinks and tip well, they will trust you more to accept this scenario.[/QUOTE]Well laid out plan. On paper. Let us know how it really goes. I doubt if the momason will see a newbie as a good guy or not whether you are buying drinks or not. Cash up front is always more creditable. Don't forget even if they allowed the bfine to be paid later, the girl is on the hook for it to the bar. They deduct it from her salary. Some bars require the bfine to be settled by closing. Example is if you bfine the girl at 9 pm, she has to be back with the money by closing, say midnight if that bar closes then. Chances are she is not coming back to your room.
My suggestion is for a newbie to pay the barfine up front. Enough said. Enjoy your trip.
[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2069093]Next time you are in AC let me know and I will show you the rising middle class of Philippines. They are the ones in the 800,000 not so low paying call center jobs in Pampanga. It's surprisingly very cheap for filipinos to live in the Philippines. These staff will earn enough money to start owning cars if they choose and take overseas holidays. There really is alternatives to working in the bar. It's very possible that the average bar girl of today would be very happy to just be a jaja for a call center girl.
I agree there are certainly call center girls earning extra cash. They also do it for fun, it's a choice and not necessity.
BD.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I'm constantly reading claims online that run counter to what I've experienced living here for years, almost as if some people are in denial and living in the glory days. (The glory days for mongers, that is.) The economy is clearly booming and there are a lot less women in dire straits than there were just two years ago. The parking area of a Starbucks I regularly visit is now so clogged with cars that it's almost impossible to find a spot without having to wait.
At the same time, most of the front spots are filled with the cars of employees. Those same baristas also have braces and the latest smart phones. So I suppose one must question if there's any correlation between that and the number of inbound flights from rich Middle Eastern countries. I personally find it hard to believe that a pinay making $250/ month or even $1,000 can somehow afford the aforementioned luxuries on her own. If you've ever owned a car in this country, you'd know that it isn't exactly cheap keeping it on the road. And waiting in line at the bank, you may be surprised at just how many young pinays there are opening their first bank account. With a rather large blue stack in hand. To say nothing of the western-style supermarkets with prices that could almost rival any in Hawaii, yet are now packed on any given day.
Upon seeing an early twenties call center worker pushing a cart filled with such things as $10 frozen pizzas and $15 boxes of granola bars, or a group of young women throwing 22,000 P worth of stuff at the register, well, one can only wonder. .
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2069081] I like Mr. E's strategy of telling the bar he will pay everything to girl after. If the bars agrees, that's the best idea. I think this could be arranged if the Moma son sees you as a good guy in the bar. For example, if you are buying an abundance of lady drinks and tip well, they will trust you more to accept this scenario.[/QUOTE]Point me in the direction of a FR where Mr E actually paid a bar fine, before or after. Veterans here knows Mr E doesn't pay bar fines as his focus is on his funds. It would also be interesting to hear if any other monger negotiated a, "pay after bar fine". I'd like to hear some credible accounts of this, pay after scenario.
Thanks.