Jakarta

[QUOTE=XXL;3013245]I showed pics taken in the rooms to floor-3 mamasans on a couple of occasion in order to track down a girl. The mamasans didn't seem to mind my having taken pics. They seemed to welcome the pics as a help to put a name on the girl. The pics were not nudes though. They just showed me and the girl standing side by side in the mirror after dressing up.

Which suggests the vigilantism may be going after pic posters, not after pic takers. All the same, lesson learnt. No more pics at Classic's for me thank you. Nude pics are against the law in Indonesia. There's nothing stopping the goons from beating you up if they decided to. Note that unpleasant as it may be, this rabidity against openness is why Jakarta has remained relatively unspoilt.[/QUOTE]I definitely a picture take not a picture poster. I made one mistake and made a post with some pics I had taken with some of my favorite girls (with their eyes blurred out for their privacy) and now everyone wants to jump on my case talking shit. And as a matter of fact it was AR's pictures that inspired me to post my pictures. Lesson learned, no more posting pics on my part.

I really do you think you guys are dragging this out though. I have already been back to classic 7 times since the original incident that happened back in June and it has been business as usual. I never had a problem in T2 whatsoever I personally know several of the mamasans and thr security guards there. The security guards literally give me fist bumps live Everytime I am there and the Polda police guys out front give me fist bumps too one night at 2 am a Polda even gave me one of his rokok and lit it for me and complimented me on my ability to speak bahasa Indonesia.

So I really think you guys are dragging this out.

Confiscsting the phones on non Asian customers is absurd. How do you guys even know if I am Asian, White, or Latino, Black or Arab?

-Gabacho.

I'm not in indo now ,left fee months ago,

From past several timder profile are agency operated.

They block my number as l ask them too questions or never meet if agency type chat no girl video call before meet.

One girl didn't say any price but agreed to meet in lobby hotel.

She was different photo face all only after she left realised it.

Few asked for maney after full date and right before leaving.

This is so they get no rejection as average girl.

But still get some maney.

Several did similar from tinder
Of those few who never talk about money upfront this was worst
One girl was upset with how much l give and started yelling loud will call police.

Had to pay up her full asking.

Would have never agreed to pay for that average 4 type girl.

Later l talked to local girl who just friends tupe said police never come to hotel.

Even if girl calls fake story.

Asking others who know how is info police if girl is bluffing.

Threatening to extra maney.

In philippines police hotel staff actively work together to extort you or settle and nothing to do.

Here l ignored my own rules of never bring tinder date girls from lobby to room first meet.
I had only very limited dates from tinder stopped using it
[QUOTE=PlantSmoke;3013159]

I established with a girl that was met on tinder that; if she.
Gets 1. 5 juta on a date, she gives 750,000 to the agency, providing the agency with a whopping half of her take.

It got murky and confusing when I asked her what she gets from the agency in return; because of her and I's language barrier.

I tried to coax the answer from her that the agency provides protection in the event of a police bust

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[QUOTE=Chilli1;3013325]I'm not in indo now ,left fee months ago,

From past several timder profile are agency operated.

They block my number as l ask them too questions or never meet if agency type chat no girl video call before meet.

One girl didn't say any price but agreed to meet in lobby hotel.

She was different photo face all only after she left realised it.

Few asked for maney after full date and right before leaving.

This is so they get no rejection as average girl.

But still get some maney.

Several did similar from tinder
Of those few who never talk about money upfront this was worst
One girl was upset with how much l give and started yelling loud will call police.

Had to pay up her full asking.

Would have never agreed to pay for that average 4 type girl.

Later l talked to local girl who just friends tupe said police never come to hotel.

Even if girl calls fake story.

Asking others who know how is info police if girl is bluffing.

Threatening to extra maney.

In philippines police hotel staff actively work together to extort you or settle and nothing to do.

Here l ignored my own rules of never bring tinder date girls from lobby to room first meet.
I had only very limited dates from tinder stopped using it[/QUOTE]Wtf are you on about? "Maney"? Maybe try to learn English and try to add something of actual value to the board. Jaysus!

[QUOTE=Gabacho;3009807]For what it's worth in my one trip (albeit 2 months long) that I had to Thailand last year, I found that BBFS was readily available through the Thai Friendly app particularly in Pattaya. Virtually every girl I pulled from TF did it. I met my good friend SubCmdr in person while I was there and over drinks at some place he called the bus bar and he too has similar experience using TF, so I think you can still find what you want in Thailand you just have to look in the right places. Of course Thailand is more expensive than Jakarta but it does have a certain charm about it. I felt like Pattaya was a beach town where everyday felt like vacation whereas Jakarta feels more like a real city with regular people and less tourists.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]I was in Pattaya a month ago and I saw a station with medical workers at tables dispensing medicine. I asked the girl I was with, and she told me the Thai Govt hands out PeP to prevent the spread of HIV. This might be why more girls are willing to go bareback. Unfortunately, this is causing other issues. For example, I caught Ganorehha (sp) of the throat for the first time and been going to Pattaya for 24 years. Also, I kept hearing how girl so and so wasn't working because he had it.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;3013131]Same thing happened to Gabacho and I two weeks ago. We walked in and were enjoying the view. Out of nowhere two security guys came and asked Gabacho to follow him to the back. He complied but returned soon after saying he refused to go as he had no idea where they were taking him. Soon there were 4 security guards surrounding both of us. They even grabbed Gabacho and attempted to take him by force. Eventually the short manager that you described came and politely asked Gabacho to follow him.

Gabacho asked me to join him to which I complied. They had us sit down in the back at the managers office surrounded by the security guards. As we walked to sit down I spotted the girl from Gabacho's selfie sitting with her mamasan covering her face.

The manager explained the same situation and Gabacho deleted the post and selfies from his phone. As we concluded and went back to the stage I noticed that the girl and her mamasan were no longer there sitting behind us.

I told Gabacho she was probably there to positively identify him.

After that incident we stayed at T5 but I noticed many of the patrons staring at us due to what had happened. After a few minutes we decided to leave.[/QUOTE]Uncomfortable. Do you know if the girl that pointed G. out is one he posted pictures of here on ISG?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3013519]If the girl that pointed out G. was indeed one he posted photos of here, I would speculate that there is an asshole here who showed those photos, and probably also website, to management at Classic in order to create trouble, perhaps specifically for G. [B] I suspect I'm not the only one here who has received threatening private messages from G. [/B] and though I never found it worth doing anything else but ignore and block him, somebody else might have responded differently. Hopefully it is not like that, as that's indeed an asshole way to respond, and it has now affected everyone who likes to take selfies with hookers, and possibly other effects too.

That assholes like that do exist here is an unfortunate fact. XXL (if I remember right) was even doxed by another member here. By Smoothie himself it seems, who now runs some online call-girl site/app. Or the post AR just linked to? Difficult to comprehend that such idiots exist.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, you had made a post insulting me which then led to me sending you the private message.

And yes it was the same girl from the picture that pointed me out. I do not however think there was any mal intent. I think what happened is another monger who reads this site most likely sessioned with her after reading my excellent report about her and then she asked him how she knew to ask for her and how he knew that she provided the extra services then the guy showed her the post with her picture and then she got upset and told the manager who then asked her to point me out the next time she saw me. I think that is a much more plausible explanation than hidden cameras in the room watching us.

-G.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3013515]Uncomfortable. Do you know if the girl that pointed G. out is one he posted pictures of here on ISG?[/QUOTE]I say almost certain because the girl was covering her face and looking down like she was sobbing. Kind of like if the manager and mamasan had just scolded her for allowing be picture to be taken. I can certainly say that she was wearing the exact same dress as the selfie which helped me put two and two together.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3013200] What is particularly troubling is that girls seem to be allowing pics in the room without a fuss and then reporting after the session has been completed (probably to ensure that the venue and girl gets paid for the service before tapping the shoulder).
[/QUOTE]I've never tried taking any photos of Classic girls (only one girl there was beautiful enough for me to have wanted a video, but at the time I did not consider it), but by all means there are countless others here who have, and no problems reported until now. I therefore doubt what you suggest is the case here. I think this must be some new thing, caused by something, and the girl was not aware. If she was, she would either have to be a genuinely evil ***** (possible, but unlikely IMO) to not simply say "sorry, cannot", rather than pose and then report.

I think the girl for some reason or other coincidentally mentioned the photos, and had no idea beforehand what would happen after that, and so would not hold it against her. It's "too evil" to be likely IMO.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3013200]
While on the topic, I was musing about the risks being taken by the guy who is proudly posting explicit pics in the Photo Gallery about his exploits doing OF content with a provider in Bali and sharing with all and sundry to make the link. Don't think that could go sideways? Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]After a few posts I just assumed he was trying to drum up business for those girls. Maybe he gets some free fucks out of it? Dunno. After a bunch of almost identical posts I put him in ignore I think.

OF is forbidden in Thailand I've read, but dunno about Indonesia.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3013200]
While on the topic, I was musing about the risks being taken by the guy who is proudly posting explicit pics in the Photo Gallery about his exploits doing OF content with a provider in Bali and sharing with all and sundry to make the link. Don't think that could go sideways? Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]Indonesian girls and even guys getting involved in the seedy side of life can often get away with a lot. Foreign guys are a totally different matter. Someone always lodges a complaint or sees the potential for a shakedown.

Years ago, there were a few attempts by white guys to set up regular gang bangs. Girls would be offered a small fortune to accept a few dicks and guys would pay per person to receive an SMS invitation. Other guys have tried to set up a Jakarta After Dark type tour service. None have ended well.

Everyone is free to have their fun as an individual. However, without the right connections and ability to pay off the right people there is no way I would recommend advertising widely or trying to set up any type of regular repeating business.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=EdZackary;3013497]I was in Pattaya a month ago and I saw a station with medical workers at tables dispensing medicine. I asked the girl I was with, and she told me the Thai Govt hands out PeP to prevent the spread of HIV. This might be why more girls are willing to go bareback. Unfortunately, this is causing other issues. For example, I caught Ganorehha (sp) of the throat for the first time and been going to Pattaya for 24 years. Also, I kept hearing how girl so and so wasn't working because he had it.[/QUOTE]I wonder if this is accurate, it is completely irresponsible for anyone in the sex industry to be taking PeP. Not only is it substantially less effective than PreP, it is also possible they'll take it having already caught the virus and thus later be unable to treat the virus with those meds due to resistance. This is why in the West or say Thailand's Pulse clinics they're so insistent on you being test 1st.

Occam's razor theory: the simplest explanation is the most likely.

Management is probably asking girls after leaving the room with a bule if he took photos. She says yea. The Bule gets approached by management.

Think about it logically.

[QUOTE=EdAdams;3013103]Bit of a weird one at T5 last night. Had a cracking little session with Yuka from Sofa 1. Tiny little rocket, properly tight, total firecracker. Snapped a couple pics in the room just casual, you know, a few selfies, bit of fun. She was all smiles, totally on board, even posed a bit didn't feel off at all.

Anyway. I'm sat there after, nursing a pint, feeling rather pleased with myself and suddenly I get tapped on the shoulder by this squat little manager bloke. Shows up with three security lads bit dramatic really.

Starts asking for my phone, telling me I've got to delete all the photos. Says it's not allowed, rules and whatnot.

Now. I didn't exactly argue, just played it cool and did the polite thing.

But it does make you wonder. Are the rooms being watched? Or did she say something after I left? Can't imagine why I gave her a 300 k tip, she was grinning like a Cheshire cat on the way out.

Strange business. Bit of a mood killer, really. But make me wonder. How the hell did he find out about what happened in the room!![/QUOTE]Your ruining it for exerting 300 k tip is excessive stop being a Simp.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;3013599]I wonder if this is accurate, it is completely irresponsible for anyone in the sex industry to be taking PeP. Not only is it substantially less effective than PreP, it is also possible they'll take it having already caught the virus and thus later be unable to treat the virus with those meds due to resistance. This is why in the West or say Thailand's Pulse clinics they're so insistent on you being test 1st.[/QUOTE]Almost certainly either OP or the girl got it wrong, and they are giving out prep, not pep.

[QUOTE=Delbo1;3013644]Your ruining it for exerting 300 k tip is excessive stop being a Simp.[/QUOTE]Mate, if I'm a simp for tipping generously, what does that make you the reason they invented minimum charges? She rode me like the economy's crashing you're out here clinging to coins like they're heirlooms. Stop carrying a calculator to a brothel!

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;3013470]Wtf are you on about? "Maney"? Maybe try to learn English and try to add something of actual value to the board. Jaysus![/QUOTE]GG, while his post is a bit hard to read, and English is obviously not his first language, it's understandable and I don't see the need to insult him for that.

My experience is so far similar to his: almost everyone who has turned up for p4p from Michat has been run via some agency, and I've had to send back almost everyone but the one girl I think was not run by an agency.
The rest looked nothing like the photos, and one even wanted to take a photo of the "selfie, no filter" I had of my phone, which she herself had supposedly sent me an hour earlier. She apparently was curious too.

The first few times we had a minor conversation downstairs by the elevator and they were asking for taxi money, which I declined of course, but now I don't even bother talking with them. I just show them the photo of who I'm waiting for, roll my eyes at them, turn around and walk away.
Actually, as my learning has progressed, I now don't even bother going down to meet them. I instead ask them to send me a new selfie once they message me that they have arrived. If they refuse, or insist on sending a selfie showing something else, not them, I know it's a scam. So far Michat has been a terrible waste of time for me, except for a few legitimate thai-style massages I've booked in room.

Later this evening I'll probably either visit T5, or use one of the contacts a senior here kindly provided via private message.