Angeles City

LOL. I do not get it at all. The shit is not brain surgery. The most they can do to you for asking to pay later is to tell you no. Guys act like asking to pay later will set off a nuclear war. You can ask them if they are going to suck your dick six ways to Sunday out on the balcony. You can ask them if you can cum in their nostrils after you fuck their asshole with no condom. But whatever you do, do not ask them if you can pay after the deed is done; all hell will break lose. Give me a fucking break.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2069592]That something the bars do when the police are raiding it doesn't mean you can walk up to any bar and ask to pay later. The manasan will never agree to that.[/QUOTE]So you have tried this many times before and have always been told no? Never is a strong word; especially for something you have not tried.

Why can't you do it in any bar? If it was something done only when the police are raiding then why does the girl I am leaving with say, "You pay the barfine NOW and we go"?

I say, "I will give you the money tomorrow before you come back to work. ".

She says, "Okay. Let me go get permission from the boss. ".

She comes back and says, "The boss said it is okay for me to bring the money tomorrow. I will go change and we can go. ".

Is there any rocket science involved in that?

It is obvious that many people here see themselves as needing pussy much more than the AC girls need money. Are you really that afraid of missing out on pussy just because you asked a simple question? The way I see AC is that those chicks want money and they will do anything to get it. Other guys see it as they will do anything to get it other than accept payment after. Even though you are the one with the gold, you are still letting the pussy rule. Why is that? You are the one with the upper hand, but too chicken shit to use it.

If you are known to management, yes it is possible to come to 'pay later' arrangements.

But to jet in from Thailand, front up as a stranger, and expect to get 'pay later' status at any bar Willy nilly, I do not agree with that kind of advice.

But then, if you are "hansome man" , anything is possible, I suppose, LOL.

For the record, I first sent this PM to BkDog.

"Payment girl.

You tell waitress you want the mama-san (manager of the girls).

You pay the barfine to mama san in the bar.

Girl gets 50% (sometimes 40%) of the bar fine, given to her by the bar (usually next day when she turns up for work again).

When finished sex in room, there is no obligation to give a tip, most guys do. Myself 2/300 Pesos. If better than average 500 Pesos. Some guys give a lot more, up to them.

Most girls nowadays are ST, about 2/3 hrs, regardless of what they promise in the bar. Some exceptions LT (all night till 8/9 am next morning). If your 'hot' they stay forever, LOL".

Now you have the whole picture, which BkDog chose not to show on the forum.

For me, end of subject now.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2069651]If you are known to management, yes it is possible to come to 'pay later' arrangements.[/QUOTE]I am not known to any management because like Socker said I am not one to be frequently pay barfines. But the times that I have done it, it has worked exactly as I stated. The last time I bar fined was in May out of Det 5 and it went exactly as I stated. Nobody knew me there and it was my first or second time even in the bar. So maybe I am just a handsome man.

Maybe it's one of the ugly girls that never gets barfined and she and the bar was desperate for a costumer.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2069653]For the record, I first sent this PM to BkDog.

"Payment girl.

You tell waitress you want the mama-san (manager of the girls).

You pay the barfine to mama san in the bar.

Girl gets 50% (sometimes 40%) of the bar fine, given to her by the bar (usually next day when she turns up for work again).

When finished sex in room, there is no obligation to give a tip, most guys do. Myself 2/300 Pesos. If better than average 500 Pesos. Some guys give a lot more, up to them.

Most girls nowadays are ST, about 2/3 hrs, regardless of what they promise in the bar. Some exceptions LT (all night till 8/9 am next morning). If your 'hot' they stay forever, LOL".

Now you have the whole picture, which BkDog chose not to show on the forum.

For me, end of subject now.[/QUOTE]Some of your information is inconsistent with my experience. For example, I've never had a girl refuse to spend the night, and I've never discussed tip beforehand, though 200/300 pesos is on the very low end of the curve, so if girls know in advance this is all they're getting, it may be no wonder that they leave. Second, I've often paid the BF directly to the girl the next morning; as I've said before, it's not an unusual practice, not difficult to arrange and not uncommon.

GE.

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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2069626]Please don't misstated my account of my activities in AC bars. I am not proving or disproving his story.

Your newbie question on how the bar-fine in AC is structure has been answered. It is inclusive. Let's leave it at that.[/QUOTE]You are making like my question was stupid. I read the forum and it was not clear so I asked a simple question. And yes, my question was as a newbie to the Philippines. I received plenty of input the same as I would have given to someone of the Thai forum. That's great! What I didn't expect is the hostility towards other members for saying they have paid after and not in the bar. Who bloody cares if one punter can pay after and some can't. I quoted 3 saying they could and have paid after in the past. End of story. Why get bent out of shape?

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2069696]Maybe it's one of the ugly girls that never gets barfined and she and the bar was desperate for a costumer.[/QUOTE]Maybe this, maybe that, maybe thin, maybe fat. Oh the speculations can be endless. What we are discussing here are facts. There are three unrelated punters confirming that they have indeed paid after the deed in AC bars. Period.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2069653]Most girls nowadays are ST, about 2/3 hrs, regardless of what they promise in the bar. [/QUOTE]Again, I have not been to AC in nearly 2 years so I would not know if things have changed lately, but in my past experiences, I have had to kick the girl out every single time, regardless of where she came from. Perimeter bars, Fields or HiSo. I have stayed away from FL talent in AC, so I cannot speak of that segment.

If this is indeed the trend, it is an extremely disturbing one.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2069784]You are making like my question was stupid. I read the forum and it was not clear so I asked a simple question. And yes, my question was as a newbie to the Philippines. I received plenty of input the same as I would have given to someone of the Thai forum. That's great! What I didn't expect is the hostility towards other members for saying they have paid after and not in the bar. Who bloody cares if one punter can pay after and some can't. I quoted 3 saying they could and have paid after in the past. End of story. Why get bent out of shape?[/QUOTE]You are welcome.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2068595]Just a quick question since I'm a little confused. In Thailand, the bar fine is paid to the bar and then you must pay the fee for the lady for short time or long time. But I have been reading this forum preparing for a trip and this question is unclear here since many pay more and many don't. What is the true answer? In Angeles City, does the bar fine, your payment to the bar, include sex, or do you have to pay extra to the lady for ST or LT? I'm not talking about a tip guys, just whether the bar fine includes everything or if you need to pay the ST or LT fee to th girl later or not?[/QUOTE]Hey man, I will tell you straight up. Yes. In AC, the barfine at the gogos and at the bar includes everything. Includes the bar fine for her to leave with you and for sex. Damn sure better include sex for 3000 pesos. No one on here is just giving away that much money and not expecting sex. Regarding ST / LT, if you think that you want the girl to stay LT, just make that clear upfront BEFORE paying for anything. Because some of them will indeed try to leave after the sex. Others will stay with no problem and you literally have to tell them to leave the next day.

So yeah, take them straight back to your place and get busy first. Then, if all goes well you can take her to go eat, to a bar, club, whatever.

Yes, some of the girls are full it. They will do the deed and then all of a sudden say they need to go because the roommate needs the key, they have to go to church early, and so on. That's a runner. So yes, you should be forewarned that there is a risk of that happening. To lessen the risk, ask the girl your questions in the bar first. Questions like, can you stay all night? And what time do you need to leave tomorrow? At least now, you know more than if you didn't ask anything.

Other options are the massage places in the afternoon and you have High Society at night. At the club, it's the same like in Thailand. Talk directly with the girl, work out the price and take her to the hotel and have fun. Sometimes, I didn't even discuss price. I just felt good with a few and took them back.
Whenever you are done, pay her to leave. Whether its ST or LT all depends on what you discuss at the club. So if you want LT make that clear in the club.
Any questions, fell free to PM me. I will tell you straight up.

Anyway, getting back to the topic of sex in AC, anyone on the ground this week with any FR?

Had an interesting WeChat experience with a random connection. Standard MO with initial contact and then I don't follow them up immediately. The pinay players and ladyboys will be messaging as soon as you add them. This indicted to me too much enthusiasm and that they are just P4 P. With a little patience over two days I can generally find my way to the legitimate local pinay whom are less professional and oh so much fun.

This girl is from Cebu and working in a local clinic. Seems normal. Just likes to spend her night in bed with a foreigner. She isn't that confident to be able to jump into bed with just casual contact or same day contacts.

The sex with this girl is not a performance as it is with the bargirls. Her BJs are of the vacuum suction variety. Sometimes she sucks so hard it hurts. I realise I prefer the licking type of blowjobs.

She is just normal. Well I thought she was normal until she gave me a rule. (We all know what to expect when the girls start to issue rules.) Her rule, It's Ok to have sex multiple times a day but we now need to alternate pussy and arse. She says she gets sore, her solution instead of saying less sex, her solution is alternating pussy for one session, the arse for next session.

I'm starting to like this girl's rules.

BD.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2069744] I've never had a girl refuse to spend the night
GE.[/QUOTE]A couple possible explanations:

1. They think you're a "hot" and "hansome man"; or

2. They hear you're staying in a high end hotel (by A/C standards), they make a rough calculation that you won't be keeping them up all night, and then decide they'll get a much better night's sleep on a quality mattress under comfortable air conditioning than they would sharing sleeping space on the floor at Mamasan's fan-cooled place.

Care to weigh in?

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2070070]A couple possible explanations:

1. They think you're a "hot" and "hansome man"; or

2. When they hear you're staying in a high end hotel (by A/C standards), they make a rough calculatiion that you won't be keeping them up all night, and then decide they'll get a much better night's sleep on a quality mattress under comfortable air conditioning than they would sharing sleeping space on the floor at Mamasan's fan-cooled place.

Care to weigh in?[/QUOTE]Yeh, that's more likely to be the reason, LOL.

Old guys like me are more likely to get 'all night'.

Young viagra primed guys more likely to get short time.

Young handsome guys more likely to have to kick them out, next morning, LOL.