Jakarta

Sit in lobby and eye everyone who steps in. When you get a call don't answer or move, notice who called and if she's any good go to her and move forward or else simply walk out and grab yourself a drink and say Terima Kasih.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;3014176]I've encountered a few of those as well. Super eager to met yet won't send a picture. I tell them either we video chat right now or the deal is off.

Also, I NEVER allow a girl to come directly to my room. Doubtful the places I've stayed would allow that anyway. I always meet them out front of the property or down the street a bit. If something is effed up, I just walk away.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NuttinSerious;3014302]The locals agree with you. Another source I use, a bahasa telegram chat group has numerous posts about michat being scmmer central. Not sure why GG is talking everything up so much. I've seen the lokisari girls with my own eyes, and as for classic overflowing gorgeous 18 yo girls. Sure there are a couple yes, but most a bit older anda bit heavier.[/QUOTE]The blackmailing I will believe. All of them wanted to go directly to my room (not possible at the hotel I'm staying in anyway), and wanted my name and room number. Relented to meeting in the lobby, but several jumped directly into the elevator when I came down*, and I had to ask them to take of the facial mask before using my keycard on the elevator. In all cases, after the mask was off, I either asked them to exit the elevator, or exited myself if they refused.

I can well believe some drama would have ensued if I had been trusting enough to let them into my room first, but fortunately I've been able to learn from others mistake.

*before my improved SOP.

[QUOTE=NuttinSerious;3014302]The locals agree with you. Another source I use, a bahasa telegram chat group has numerous posts about michat being scmmer central. Not sure why GG is talking everything up so much. I've seen the lokisari girls with my own eyes, and as for classic overflowing gorgeous 18 yo girls. Sure there are a couple yes, but most a bit older anda bit heavier.[/QUOTE]Simply sharing my personal experience. Others' experience will obviously vary depending on their demeanor, attitude, looks, etc etc. But I've never seen any older or heavier girls in any of the venues I mentioned. All the ones I've seen appeared to be under 25, most closer to 18-19, and very hot, at least by Western standards.

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I can well believe some drama would have ensued if I had been trusting enough to let them into my room first, but fortunately I've been able to learn from others mistake.

*before my improved SOP.[/QUOTE]No doubt. NEVER give a girl your real name (obviously) or room number. I don't even give the girls the name of the place where I'm staying. Meet them outside somewhere to make sure they are who they say they are and aren't accompanied by some pimp, especially that irritating cockeyed one. :-the.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;3014299]As far as I know, there are no hostess bars. For pool try jaya's pub google it, central Jakarta. They have live music as well. Very decent, also try mellys garden.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for the recommendations, SuperLove! I found both pubs, they are in Menteng. I will check them out at night, when I arrive in Jakarta in August. So far, I've been using Dating Apps from home here (with fake location), and the responses on Tinder, Badoo and Okcupid are good. Many matches. Indonesian women seem to be interested and friendly in chatting with foreigners. Shouldn't be a problem for me to collect some dates. (I even had to block one women who got too clingy and wanted to collect me from the airport. Hell no LOL). I prefer to meet normal girls, like students, to have dates with, not professionals, which could become holiday girlfriends with GFE Sex.

Hi everybody!

So I'm quite a newbie and I scroll down a few pages on this thrad looking for some general infos.

For what I can understand: there is no hostess bar, so I guess no brothels eather? So mongers have to rely on apps? But Michat is full of scams? So what else?

Also, if I go on Jakarta it's only for a few days, is that will be enough to find some actions? Knowing that for me actions = BBFS, is it feasible in Jakarta? Or should I go elsewhere on SEA? (I already visited PH and I wish to go somewhere else).

Thanks guys in advance.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;3014223]Wasn't I just reading your posts in the Philippnes / AC thread encouraging everyone there to ditch that place for Jakarta instead.[/QUOTE]Might one ask how you came to know about Jakarta as a p4p-destination then?

Did you, like Christopher Columbus, set out to explore new and uncharted territories by yourself? Or did you, perhaps, read about someone else's experience, maybe on this very forum, and merely follow in their well documented footsteps?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3014440]Might one ask how you came to know about Jakarta as a p4p-destination then?

Did you, like Christopher Columbus, set out to explore new and uncharted territories by yourself? Or did you, perhaps, read about someone else's experience, maybe on this very forum, and merely follow in their well documented footsteps?[/QUOTE]I learned from an old monger in Germany that used to live in Jakarta and he was anti tech, he certainly didn't know about ISG he didn't even use the internet or a smart phone.

Now that I answered your deflection, are you trying to defend the fucked up posts he wrote, by trying to muddy the issue for him.

Do you think its prudent that everyone in this thread go about to all the major threads and lesser ones and spout out about Jakarta.

To drop everything they're doing and get to Jakarta ASAP, to anyone that might not know about it, I don't know who is more reprehensible him or you.

After everything lately its quite bizzaro that you are defending what he has done.

If you wish to meet non pros I am not sure tinder badoo okc are good venues, cheaper apps and many agencies pimps scams tend to operate. Be prepared be ready, I also suggest visiting Classic once even if its not for the girls, shooting pool and live music. Very decent.

[QUOTE=TrustNo;3014336]Thanks a lot for the recommendations, SuperLove! I found both pubs, they are in Menteng. I will check them out at night, when I arrive in Jakarta in August. So far, I've been using Dating Apps from home here (with fake location), and the responses on Tinder, Badoo and Okcupid are good. Many matches. Indonesian women seem to be interested and friendly in chatting with foreigners. Shouldn't be a problem for me to collect some dates. (I even had to block one women who got too clingy and wanted to collect me from the airport. Hell no LOL). I prefer to meet normal girls, like students, to have dates with, not professionals, which could become holiday girlfriends with GFE Sex.[/QUOTE]

One of my girls mentioned to me about SugarBook, does anyone know about it and is it any useful. Its like seeking but more focused on SB / SD.

Any leads on this, please. Terima kasih.

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I don't know if its just various pimps handling a few girls each, but probably you're right it's not larger agencies. If it was agencies handling several of the girls I imagine they'd quickly blacklist me due to me sending away all the scammers without a dime. Waste of time and fuel money for them of course. On the other hand, many of them have the same SOP regarding verifying I am staying where I claim to be staying.[/QUOTE]Another data point on this is a recent threesome from michat. They referred to the agent / agency / boss as "admin". I asked how many girls "admin" handled. 10? 20? No, not that many. Maybe 5. They also confirmed our michat messages were in reality between admin and me. They seemed to talk with admin a lot while they were in my room, and they also sent, admin presumably, a photo of themselves and "all ok" when we were done, but eventually I assumed it was some security thing rather than a comming scam.

The good point of this meeting were that they were real, mostly like the photos (the photos I asked admin to send me, not the photoshopped photos on their michat profile), especially younger sister, though the older sister (20) had either used some light facial acne removal filter in the selfie she sent me from the lobby, via admin, or found an unusually flattering angle for her photo.

I'd rate them as a 6 (older sister) and a 7 (younger sister, 19), though they both had a beginning beer belly and I suspect next year they will be a 5 and a 6 if they continue like now.

Encounter itself went as agreed more or less, though apparently younger sister had only been working one month, and me being her supposed first white barbarian made it all very scary for her. Older sister was an experienced 'ho though, and had to tell younger sister what to do, but it took enough coaching, and grimacing and cursing from younger sister, for me to have to laugh sometimes. I suspect some of the stuff she said was that "bule likes like that", "bule wants to do thing like that", "well, that is bule for you", etc. etc., but unfortunately I have not bothered to learn any bahasa so I can only guess. Say what you will about G., but taking the effort to learn the local language enough to at least have a very simple conversation, when you are only there to monger for some weeks, is something to respect.

I'm not sure if they were really sisters or not, but it wasn't a selling point, rather just something the older one mentioned, so perhaps true, unless Jakarta girls, like thai girls, refer to everyone as their sister. I asked to see her ID at some point as I was curious as to whether they really were sister, and older showed me her's, and then I wanted to see younger sister's, who was in the bathroom at the time, to see if they had the same surname, but then something else happened and I forgot about it.

Price I paid was 1 juta for two hours and two shots, while the first offer was 1.5. Another threesome pimp also offered up his girls for 0.9, but didn't want to send the photos I asked for. While they pressured me a bit to "get going" again for the second shot while I would have preferred to recharge for another half hour, so total time spent was about a hour and a half, long showers before/after included, it wasn't as bad a threesome as I've read some others have had, and they didn't go overboard with the cleaning of my dick when swapping. It was not good enough for me to consider repeating either though.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3014310]The blackmailing I will believe. All of them wanted to go directly to my room (not possible at the hotel I'm staying in anyway), and wanted my name and room number. Relented to meeting in the lobby, but several jumped directly into the elevator when I came down*, and I had to ask them to take of the facial mask before using my keycard on the elevator. In all cases, after the mask was off, I either asked them to exit the elevator, or exited myself if they refused.

I can well believe some drama would have ensued if I had been trusting enough to let them into my room first, but fortunately I've been able to learn from others mistake.

*before my improved SOP.[/QUOTE]So what about the update? Are girls sending you selfies from the lobby? I'm trying to think here that if a girl is doable; wouldn't she.

Want to do a video call. Wouldn't she be confidant in her looks; that she would be willing to meet at a coffee shop. Of course she would.

If she hesitates at all this is a bad sign.

You really should be able to weed her out before the lobby. For her to get all the way to the lobby, that invoves extra texts and anxiety.

I don't find it enjoyable at all to wait for her.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3014466]Another data point on this is a recent threesome from michat. They referred to the agent / agency / boss as "admin". I asked how many girls "admin" handled. 10? 20? No, not that many. Maybe 5. They also confirmed our michat messages were in reality between admin and me. They seemed to talk with admin a lot while they were in my room, and they also sent, admin presumably, a photo of themselves and "all ok" when we were done, but eventually I assumed it was some security thing rather than a comming scam.

The good point of this meeting were that they were real, mostly like the photos (the photos I asked admin to send me, not the photoshopped photos on their michat profile), especially younger sister, though the older sister (20) had either used some light facial acne removal filter in the selfie she sent me from the lobby, via admin, or found an unusually flattering angle for her photo.

I'd rate them as a 6 (older sister) and a 7 (younger sister, 19), though they both had a beginning beer belly and I suspect next year they will be a 5 and a 6 if they continue like now.

Encounter itself went as agreed more or less, though apparently younger sister had only been working one month, and me being her supposed first white barbarian made it all very scary for her. Older sister was an experienced 'ho though, and had to tell younger sister what to do, but it took enough coaching, and grimacing and cursing from younger sister, for me to have to laugh sometimes. I suspect some of the stuff she said was that "bule likes like that", "bule wants to do thing like that", "well, that is bule for you", etc. etc., but unfortunately I have not bothered to learn any bahasa so I can only guess. Say what you will about G., but taking the effort to learn the local language enough to at least have a very simple conversation, when you are only there to monger for some weeks, is something to respect.

I'm not sure if they were really sisters or not, but it wasn't a selling point, rather just something the older one mentioned, so perhaps true, unless Jakarta girls, like thai girls, refer to everyone as their sister. I asked to see her ID at some point as I was curious as to whether they really were sister, and older showed me her's, and then I wanted to see younger sister's, who was in the bathroom at the time, to see if they had the same surname, but then something else happened and I forgot about it.

Price I paid was 1 juta for two hours and two shots, while the first offer was 1.5. Another threesome pimp also offered up his girls for 0.9, but didn't want to send the photos I asked for. While they pressured me a bit to "get going" again for the second shot while I would have preferred to recharge for another half hour, so total time spent was about a hour and a half, long showers before/after included, it wasn't as bad a threesome as I've read some others have had, and they didn't go overboard with the cleaning of my dick when swapping. It was not good enough for me to consider repeating either though.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'd say they're not really sisters. They all call each other sister, the way guys in the US call each other 'bro.

Pricing. Our scales are very different, it seems. I've never paid more than 500 IDR for a short time. Not into longer as I would not be comfortable having one of those girls in my room all night, having to keep one eye open. Not into threesomes either. Not even a little bit, haha. Just me I guess.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;3014503]Yeah, I'd say they're not really sisters. They all call each other sister, the way guys in the US call each other 'bro.

Pricing. Our scales are very different, it seems. I've never paid more than 500 IDR for a short time. Not into longer as I would not be comfortable having one of those girls in my room all night, having to keep one eye open. Not into threesomes either. Not even a little bit, haha. Just me I guess.[/QUOTE]The other girls were all 400 I think (well, the 3/12 times or so I actually paid, rather than just walked away), but the 3's I was offered seemed to hoover around 1 M. I guess I could have negotiated it down to 700 or 800, as 1 M was the admin's own offer after I just said the previous too offers were too expensive, but didn't bother at the time.

Half expected it to be scam anyway so I was surprised when when I received a selfie of the two girls themselves from the lobby.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3014520]The other girls were all 400 I think (well, the 3/12 times or so I actually paid, rather than just walked away), but the 3's I was offered seemed to hoover around 1 M. I guess I could have negotiated it down to 700 or 800, as 1 M was the admin's own offer after I just said the previous too offers were too expensive, but didn't bother at the time.

Half expected it to be scam anyway so I was surprised when when I received a selfie of the two girls themselves from the lobby.[/QUOTE]I'm always surprised when the girl turns out to be who she says she is, LOL! I'll be back there soon to resume my 'research' . Batam nothing like what it used to be when I lived in Singapore.