Sao Paulo Reports

[QUOTE=NF4591;3061798]I found myself in the club area later in the night, ran into a hot natural girl and we got to talking, when I made an offer that I thought was generous but within the norm (1800 for 2 hours), she asked if I was offering BRL or USD. And I knew that was trouble. She quickly rejected the BRL offer and we politely parted ways, and within minutes I waved over a girl at the bar that was also natural and attractive (Alice). We had a good session for a couple hours, but she asked to order food when we were in the room. I said fine and gave her my card, but after ordering she said she was tired and wanted to end the session. Turned out I just bought a girl sushi to eat by herself! Whatever, the room was good, but the lesson from this day was that the girls will try to extract every BRL from you in any way then can (rates, tips, meals, drinks) - you just have to stand your ground politely, a few of them will walk away but they're all just taking a shot at the most they can get. The girl that just wants to charge market rates and isn't trying to find opportunities to make more, doesn't exist.[/QUOTE]I was really surprised to read this. I've not experienced anything like this ever at Scandallo. Not even close. And I must disagree with your last statement quoted here. That type of girl [B]does[/B] exist at Scandallo as it's the only kind of Scandallo girl I have ever gone to the room with. That said, there is at least one shark in every crowd, and for whatever reason, some of those girls felt like they could play you. Maybe because they saw you in there several nights in a row and figured you were a "whale" with money to spend, which made you a "mark" for a shark. I don't know. But, I have never experienced anything like it at Scandallo, and I hope it's not signs of a growing trend. I would have reported the behavior of the one who ate sushi on your dime then said she was too tired to fuck! Don't let them get away with that! Report it to management! Even if things don't go your way, now the girl becomes a "mark" herself, and if the club gets anymore negative customer feedback about her, then her ass is gone! They don't want that kind of reputation hanging on them. Anyway, sorry that happened to you. Next time, do yourself a favor and take some time to partake at some of the other good clubs in Sampa like Casarao and Gauguin. You're traveling all that way, man make the most of it!

I enjoyed reading your trip report, NF4591, all of it, the good and the not so good. KKK. As The Cane relates, I too have never experienced an "Alice" treatment in Scan, nor can I remember any Scan girls trying to upsell me other than the occasional girl offering BBFS or anal for 100 or 200 on top of what we agreed to in the bar. On Alice, you know what you did wrong. You violated a variation of Punter rule #17 which clearly states: after reaching a mutually agreed terms to have sex with a (boate) girl, never, never indulge in dinner, bar hopping, shopping, bowling, golf, or anything else until you have sex with the girl. Thus, if I have understood your post correctly, the two of you agreed to a 120-minute session to take place in the Scan hotel and you had sex with Alice and the session was going alright more or less. But then afterward the 1st shag, Alice says she is hungry and asks for dinner in the room and that is when everything went south and she did not want to shag anymore. Correct? Solution: abide by punter rule #17. I would have told Alice hey baby, we can have dinner in the restaurant after we are finished here BUT I would offer dinner only if I were really into the girl, thought she was a repeat candidate, and I would only offer dinner if I was hungry and wanted company. It is always better form when the customer invites a girl to have dinner with him, not the other way around. I don't like it when a new girl brings it up, so unless the sex was spectacular, I tend to reject dinner invitations from boate girls.

On issue (4) "The friend a girl wants to bring seems to never work out if I haven't met the friend before. I need to train myself to just say no."

I would say that menage a trois sessions do not usually work well when the punter does not know either girl. It is a big risk and most of the time, in my humble experience, it leads to rather unremarkable sessions. But when I do know a girl and have had several great sessions with her and after one of those sessions, she shows you a picture of her bi-sexual girlfriend and asks what you think of her; it's a whole different matter. Anyway, that's how I find great 3-somes and without a doubt in my mind, the best 3 way I ever had was with 2 Scan girls, one who I knew very well, the other was her Scan girlfriend.

[QUOTE=NF4591;3061798] I was in Sao Paulo a couple weeks ago, from the US. <snip>

Monday: I went to Scandallo in the afternoon, sessions with 3 girls. The first girl (Yasmin) was a bit of a shark, service was fine but she kept asking for tips, I said no, she accepted it but kept trying a few times and we eventually parted in good spirits but I wasn't expecting to repeat. I found myself in the club area later in the night, ran into a hot natural girl and we got to talking, when I made an offer that I thought was generous but within the norm (1800 for 2 hours), she asked if I was offering BRL or USD. And I knew that was trouble. She quickly rejected the BRL offer and we politely parted ways, and within minutes I waved over a girl at the bar that was also natural and attractive (Alice). We had a good session for a couple hours, but she asked to order food when we were in the room. I said fine and gave her my card, but after ordering she said she was tired and wanted to end the session. Turned out I just bought a girl sushi to eat by herself! Whatever, the room was good, but the lesson from this day was that the girls will try to extract every BRL from you in any way then can (rates, tips, meals, drinks) - you just have to stand your ground politely, a few of them will walk away but they're all just taking a shot at the most they can get...[/QUOTE]Yeah, there are a bunch of good reasons to return to SP and start off where you left off. There are plenty of bordellos to discover and a ton of girls to meet.

[QUOTE=NF4591;3061798]I was in Sao Paulo a couple weeks ago, from the US. I speak no Portuguese, have visited quite a few European clubs (Globe is the only one I still like), and went exclusively with Scandallo on my first visit. And I more or less did the same thing this time. My budget isn't too restrictive, maybe a little extravagant for Brazil, but I try to spend appropriate premium levels wherever I am, not way higher than the going rates since no one likes to feel like they're getting scammed. I stayed at the Renaissance for a few days, which is where I stayed last time, and it was still a great option. ..My experience with girls:

Sunday, April 5 (Easter Sunday):. I read here many times that this is what to expect but for some reason I hoped this would be .

The friend a girl wants to bring seems to never work out if I haven't met the friend before. I need to train myself to just say no.
figure I'll be back in Sao Paulo, it was another good trip.[/QUOTE]

In Brasil you can mix and match garotas to your hearts content, no need to pay for her amiga, you never met. I usual take two favorite loiras from scandallo, guaguin or connection to match them up at the love motel. I tell them all three. Lets enjoy each other. Boom. No hesitation the two garotas are going down on each other. the third one is licking everybody everywhere. They never sessioned together before. Mix and match. Morena & branca, ruvia & asian, tall amazon blonde with short blonde pale waif looking ukrainian. the morena beauty Meghan markle with 21 GND curly hair pixie from MG.

At Scandallo lite, on a Friday night, three teams of bleach blondes in red dresses came up to me at the long bar. shit i have been marked ..kkkk Three different teams of two blondes, eac introduce themselves. In porto. its way After midnight ,the stripper show has ended. I selected one very tall salon blonde with curvey body from team one, and short cute blonde from team three. The short blonde works at daytime clinicas under different name. The tall one is day shift scandallo. I offered 500 brl each, they both accepted right away. ,damn no hesitation. Okay next time offer a little less 450 brl. I paid by mercado libre pay to each garota. Always pay same amount to each garota to keep the peace. I remember the olden days of scandallo when garotas used to drop their acceptable price to lower after 2am. Damn glad Gauguin is still like that now. after midnight close to 1am.. different shapes and sizes of red dresses seem to be their goto dress uniform.

Sigh. There is one skinny morena that quietly pesters me everytime, she always accept low offers.

Her ass can be had for 400 brl offer or lower if ya don't gossip. Lkkk. She will do the nastiest dirtiest low down perverted sex stuff you can fvking imagine and more. But been there done that. No more interest.

Similar to Scandy, at Gauguin I bought a bottle of whiskey many weeks ago, they reserved it with name & whatsapp number for my use on every visit. , fvking satisfying to see no drink charges on my bill. And bartender bringing out my bottle fot exclusive use. Haha.

Point is in my experience, its better to mix & match garotas that I like. , than tag-along friend never met.

Its your dime.

Curious how did you find Apple love motel and what did you think about it? Its a solid 25 min drive from scandallo. I was going add it to my love motel review thread.

[QUOTE=Tochka;3061889]In Brasil you can mix and match garotas to your hearts content, no need to pay for her amiga. , you never met. I usual take two favorite loiras from scandallo, guaguin match them up at the love motel. And tell them both. Lets enjoy each other. Boom. No hesitation the garotas are going down on each other. They never sessioned together before. Mix and match. ......

At Scandallo lite, on a Friday night, three teams of bleach blondes in red dresses came up to me at when I was sitting at the long bar. Three teams of two blondes each. , introduce themselves. In porto. After midnight in less than 30 min. ,after the stripper shoe ended. I selected one very tall salon blonde with curvey body from team one, and short cute blonde from team three. The short blonde works at daytime clinicas under different name. The tall one is day shift scandallo. I offered 500 brl each, they both accepted right away. ,damn no hesitation. Okay next time offer a little less 450 brl.....

Sigh. There is one skinny morena that quietly pesters me everytime, she always accept low offers. Her ass can be had for 400 brl offer or lower if ya don't gossip......

Point is in my experience, its better to mix & match garotas that I like.....[/QUOTE]Damn. I need to roll with you Tochka! .... 1) I've nearly always found threesomes between two strangers to be a recipe for disaster (even with Brasileiras) as they don't trust the others hygiene (makeout sessions are a different story),
....and 2) The lowest I've gotten at Gauguin has been in the 600-700r range and they were mids. You must be some kind of Don Juan to get hotties who immediately agree for 400-500r!

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3061891]Damn. I need to roll with you Tochka! .... 1) I've nearly always found threesomes between two strangers to be a recipe for disaster (even with Brasileiras) as they don't trust the others hygiene (makeout sessions are a different story),
....and 2) The lowest I've gotten at Gauguin has been in the 600-700r range and they were mids. You must be some kind of Don Juan to get hotties who immediately agree for 400-500r![/QUOTE]Kkk It's crazy we have such different experiences in the same spots. Definitely not don juan or Bengala!! The first time I had a major threesome issue was in Rio at Panda Motel in Botafogo. I forgot to warn this beautiful morena from the favelas (she worked at Monte Carlo) that a short blonde garota from Solarium was coming to join. Total shit show. A catfight broke out and the morena literally grabbed the coat rack to use as a weapon.

We laugh about it now, but damn.

My bucket list of mix-and-matching from boates, termas, privs, and swing clubs. I did a mother-daughter threesome at Panda in Rio on mother day. The daughter worked at Duda & Bel Prazer; she'the record private porn of whatever she was into sexually. But honestly, way too much family drama once they sober up.

Then there were those real Gemini twins at Spa Morumbi. They keep disappearing and popping back up in different CLnicas. Lots of fun, but the fucking jealousy and family issues need to stay at home. I met two quiet, demure Japanese-Brazilian sisters from Scandallo on a saturay night. Asian hunting night they called it. They dress super conservative, long dresses to the ankles, and huge freaking glasses, and protected their secret lives fiercely. Until they transform into total sex kittens inside the motel.

Then there were these two sistersone morena cutie pie! And a short fake blonde who was quieter, her sister. Shit, I didn't even know this popular Casarao garota and her were real sisters until she posted that green bikini on Instagram at Lush. Dudes who know, you know which one. Kkk.

The two indigenous Afro brasilian sisters from Solarium their religious stuff went deep. ,taught me the lines to the toast before every drink.Axé pra nós, que nunca falte saúde, grana e motivo pra comemora... ah the unexpected two Brazilian anal queens at CLnica Tangara and CLnica Prime: Ariella Ferraz and Larinha Smalls. Look them up. Whatever you seen their video can be done in sessions at the clinicas. Why are these two deep throat, triple anal insertion specialists doing 220 BRL / hour sessions, plus forista discounts at Tangara, Prime, and Spa Moah? Figuring out the "why" and "when" was the aha moment I realized getting what I wanted at a reasonable price was about time.

I posted how I did Scandallo on a budget and asked dudes to share how they did it. i shared how i splurged like a weekend baller with three garotas . ass up ,head down lined up three on-the bed for the foto shot..my learning experiences at guaguin when I offered 1000 brl, then 800 brl, 750 then 700 brl, 600 brl and learned which types, garotas accepted, their looks, was it weekday vs slow weekend no clients around,, 9 pm happy hour garotas, before midnight and 1 am garotas, singles or teams of two blondes Swedish bikini team or how they responded to my hey I am leaving for casarao now to get a young cutie pie for 500 brl. You are stuck here all night. Bye. As she reaches out to grab my arm or she walks away. ,and we will never session at her price point. Eventually they become self selecting as well. Everyone sees who selected to go upstairs with the other . garotas all want to know the price agreed.they were learnin & studying repeat visitors too kkk if i knew the garota, her real name, name she uses in diffetent places or we sessioned in a different places before Gaugin it was a easier for her to accept the $500 brl . because they already did at another place or when we met at a love motel last month

Has anyone been to São Paulo or Rio in June / July? I know it's considered the winter season for them but temp wise it's about 65-70 degrees which doesn't seem bad to me at all. But how's the hobbying scene? Is it impacted by the weather? Would love some thoughts from anyone that has gone during these months. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Trojan22;3061896]Has anyone been to So Paulo or Rio in June / July? I know it's considered the winter season for them but temp wise it's about 65-70 degrees which doesn't seem bad to me at all. But how's the hobbying scene? Is it impacted by the weather? Would love some thoughts from anyone that has gone during these months. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I've been to Sao Paulo during those months, and the mongering was great. No adverse impact at all, and not cold per my North American standards. But still, I vowed to never go to Brazil again then because I prefer the energy that comes with the warmer months down there.

[QUOTE=Tochka;3061889]

Point is in my experience, its better to mix & match garotas that I like. , than tag-along friend never met.

Its your dime.

Curious how did you find Apple love motel and what did you think about it? Its a solid 25 min drive from scandallo. I was going add it to my love motel review thread.[/QUOTE]Good advice Tochka. I found Apple motel from posts here on ISG, and some googling on the good love motels around SP. I went there on a Sunday, not from Scandallo but from a different part of town. Lush seems like the best choice if you're starting at Scandallo, Apple was nicer in some ways (my room had 3 levels with a hot tub on the top level, a few porn channels on the tv at Apple but we had trouble getting porn on the tv at Lush) - but the experience at both was close enough that I wouldn't go out of my way for one of them over the other. The love motel concept is great, but like Scandallo, they require IDs so anonymity is out the window (the girls don't see my ID, but the business does. BTW, the girls need to bring ID too, and I don't look at their ID). Also at each love motel they took forever to check us in: 5-10 minutes with our IDs, entering our information into the computer, while the uber driver just waits with you outside the gate. Small inconvenience but those few minutes feel long when you're with with a girl in the back seat waiting to get to your room.

[QUOTE=NF4591;3061798]
Monday: I went to Scandallo in the afternoon, sessions with 3 girls. The first girl (Yasmin) was a bit of a shark, service was fine but she kept asking for tips, I said no, she accepted it but kept trying a few times and we eventually parted in good spirits but I wasn't expecting to repeat. I found myself in the club area later in the night, ran into a hot natural girl and we got to talking, when I made an offer that I thought was generous but within the norm (1800 for 2 hours), she asked if I was offering BRL or USD. And I knew that was trouble. She quickly rejected the BRL offer and we politely parted ways, and within minutes I waved over a girl at the bar that was also natural and attractive (Alice). We had a good session for a couple hours, but she asked to order food when we were in the room. I said fine and gave her my card, but after ordering she said she was tired and wanted to end the session. Turned out I just bought a girl sushi to eat by herself! Whatever, the room was good, but the lesson from this day was that the girls will try to extract every BRL from you in any way then can (rates, tips, meals, drinks) - you just have to stand your ground politely, a few of them will walk away but they're all just taking a shot at the most they can get. The girl that just wants to charge market rates and isn't trying to find opportunities to make more, doesn't exist. And I'm fine with that. After this session I ran into Alice and her friend at the restaurant, eating the sushi I bought them (they offered me some but I wasn't interested). Alice asked me to by her a drink to have with her dinner, I learned my lesson so I said no this time, and she was fine with that. But I ended up taking her friend (Luna) for an hour for 1200 reais, it was also a good session. Later in the week I ran into the previous girl, Alice, a few times. It was friendly interaction each time and I got the vibe that more sessions with her would pay dividends so long as I hold my ground on the food / drink orders, but I didn't end up going with her again on this trip.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report and I appreciate sharing your experience.

I had a 1 HR session with a 25 yo, fit, very pretty, pale blonde Alice with bubbly personality during my recent trip a couple of months ago. Wondering if that is the same Alice you saw.

To each their own. I usually do 1 HR session in-house and avoid longer sessions especially with new girls for couple of reasons. 1. I could arrange a overnight for the same price. 2. I am opening myself to the shenanigans like the ones you had experienced with Alice especially if there is a language barrier. I would adjust the payment accordingly if a girl pulls such shit with me and report it to the management like The Cane suggested. No way in hell I would consider repeating with a girl that pulls shit like that no matter how hot she is. Why bother when there are hundreds of other girls to choose.

[QUOTE=Trojan22;3061896]Has anyone been to So Paulo or Rio in June / July? I know it's considered the winter season for them but temp wise it's about 65-70 degrees which doesn't seem bad to me at all. But how's the hobbying scene? Is it impacted by the weather? Would love some thoughts from anyone that has gone during these months. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Not bad at all. Only down sides are on the colder nights the large outdoor terrace in Scandallo, not many people go out. Seen it closed. There are rare cold spells when it will go down close to freezing esp at night and the heaters in lower end Clínicas and girls apts struggle. Though can make for some nice intense cuddling sessions under blankets.

[QUOTE=Trojan22;3061896]Has anyone been to So Paulo or Rio in June / July? I know it's considered the winter season for them but temp wise it's about 65-70 degrees which doesn't seem bad to me at all. But how's the hobbying scene? Is it impacted by the weather? Would love some thoughts from anyone that has gone during these months. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Late at night it cools down into the 50's. Not a big deal, if you're from North American or Europe.

I have had some hotels that didn't heat up the rooms that much. It's a minor inconvenience, but you will be under the covers and get a chilly awakening coming out of the shower.

I haven't heard as much about this with the popular hotels in central SP, but it has been discussed in the past.

[QUOTE=SamaRiding;3061954]Not bad at all. Only down sides are on the colder nights the large outdoor terrace in Scandallo, not many people go out. Seen it closed. There are rare cold spells when it will go down close to freezing esp at night and the heaters in lower end Clnicas and girls apts struggle. Though can make for some nice intense cuddling sessions under blankets.[/QUOTE]Outside patio usually closed during slow days like Sunday through Tuesday and when it is raining.

I was in SP last August and everything worked as usual.

IMHO, little bit chilly and dry weather is better, than humid and rainy.

[QUOTE=Trojan22;3061896]Has anyone been to So Paulo or Rio in June / July? I know it's considered the winter season for them but temp wise it's about 65-70 degrees which doesn't seem bad to me at all. But how's the hobbying scene? Is it impacted by the weather? Would love some thoughts from anyone that has gone during these months. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I've noticed fewer girls as many go to work in Europe during this time, but not dramatically less. Anecdotally there was more impact in Rio (girls serve a lot of tourists, less tourists in winter) vs Sao Paulo (girls serve mostly upper class Brazilians who are there year round). If you're concerned and your focus is just girls, not beach and broader culture, then I'd focus on Sao Paulo and ensure you're free Tue-Thu (biggest nights). FWIW I plan to be there the last week in June.

[QUOTE=Trojan22;3061896]Has anyone been to So Paulo or Rio in June / July? I know it's considered the winter season for them but temp wise it's about 65-70 degrees which doesn't seem bad to me at all. But how's the hobbying scene? Is it impacted by the weather? Would love some thoughts from anyone that has gone during these months. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I have been to SP and RJ in June / July during their winter months several times. SP temps can get down into the 40's during this period and take note: most SP & RJ hotel rooms do not have heat so room temps can drop to around 67 when the outside temperature is in the low 50's.

So sure, I prefer their summer, fall, or spring months, but SP weather seasons do not affect my travel plans. Winter in SP is great! In fact, I will be back in SP again this May-June winter season and I am looking forward to the trip.

Here are a few things I bring along for a 4 to 6 week winter visit: a warm 3 season jacket, a lightweight windbreaker, a couple of mid weight base layer long sleeve t-shirts, and a mid-layer vest or sweater.

I have been going to FKK land for almost 15 years. Now it is time to explore some new places.

Planning my trip to Scandallo in early February next year and have some newbie questions.

1) Is airport GRU the right airport to land?

2) Is uber expensive from airport to city center?

3) Hotel recommendation? I don't want to spend more than $150 per night.

4) I have one of those ATM card from Chinese network (unionpay), can I withdraw local currency with that card?

Thank you for your time.

Dave.