Jakarta

[QUOTE=SuperLove;3014305]Sit in lobby and eye everyone who steps in. When you get a call don't answer or move, notice who called and if she's any good go to her and move forward or else simply walk out and grab yourself a drink and say Terima Kasih.[/QUOTE]Won't work too well unfortunately. Most of the scammers here seem to turn up wearing facial masks in my experience so far. Apart from probably seeing they are a bit bigger than you expected the girl you booked to be, you can't really make a good verdict from the rather short glimpse you will get of the woman, almost no matter how optimally you manage to place yourself in her path. Possibly the fact that someone is not wearing a facial mask will be a sign it's not a scammer, but I wouldn't bet on that either.


At the moment I'm thinking the michat scam system goes something like this:
1) scam-admin sends out offers on michat and does all the initial talking.
2) at some point, after the girl is booked and supposed to be on her way, scam-admin contacts one of the random women he uses, and tells her to go to the hotel you're staying at.
3) at some point, possibly when the woman has reached the hotel, scam-admin logs out from this particular michat account and tells woman to login instead.
4) woman takes over the michat account and tells you she's there, possibly sends some photo from the hotel entrance, etc., but is probably not interested (or able to, I don't know if michat chat logs are saved on the phone or on the michat server) in looking at the previous chat messages. When asked to send her photo it all comes as a mighty shock to her. Eventually she leaves without meeting you, or if you're a newbie, creates a drama in your room if you don't want to bang the 20 kg heavier and 15 years older woman now in your room. Not sure how service would be either.
5) sometimes scam-admin takes control over the michat account again after she / I have left, and either curses me, or in one instance, offered to send the "real" girl. I'm not sure what would have happened in the latter case, but I thought it more prudent to not find out, though possibly I missed out on the chance of a threesome with Miss. Indonesia 2024 and the runner-up.

One scammer sent me, eventually, her photo without a facial mask (it took quite a few messages before she did). When I sent her back her supposed own photo, she asked who the girl in the photo was.

This is a pity as there are some genuine girls on michat too, but I think I must have sent away over a dozen by now, and only had three visits where the girl was more or less who she claimed to be.

Unfortunately michat does not support videocall (or even call), and while I do have a p4p-specific whatsapp number, I don't really want to share it with outright scammers eithers. So far I have thus not found any quick way to weed out the scammers without wasting time waiting for them to show up.

Many of the girls offering massage seem to be run in a similar way. They post a rather attractive woman, but who appears is not the same. I've usually gone ahead anyway, as long as she was not looking to terrible, as I book them for a genuine massage, not something else, but now I regret not being more principled about it. I asked one woman, who herself was reasonably attractive, and who I even made a failed attempt to bang at the end of the session, why she was not the woman in the michat photo? She said she didn't know, admin just sent her to me.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;3014503]Yeah, I'd say they're not really sisters. They all call each other sister, the way guys in the US call each other 'bro.
[/QUOTE]Not sure. I asked her a few times if they were really sisters, and she confirmed. I'm not the most experienced Jakarta 3s guy, but nobody else has alluded to anything similar. Some have even not agreed the other girl was a real friend, but merely a "sofa-friend" (classic). I'm actually leaning towards them being real sisters due to how they behaved, how the older one tried to take care of the younger one, and how completely unpromoting she was about them being sisters. She seemed to have no idea this is a fantasy for many guys.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3014683]Not sure. I asked her a few times if they were really sisters, and she confirmed. I'm not the most experienced Jakarta 3s guy, but nobody else has alluded to anything similar. Some have even not agreed the other girl was a real friend, but merely a "sofa-friend" (classic). I'm actually leaning towards them being real sisters due to how they behaved, how the older one tried to take care of the younger one, and how completely unpromoting she was about them being sisters. She seemed to have no idea this is a fantasy for many guys.[/QUOTE]All the Philiipines "sisters" would eat you alive. Try common sense. Simply ask to see their IDs. They needed IDs to get hired. Ask to see a Facebook picture of them together in a home situation like a birthday party. Very easy. Preferably from last year meaning they did not just meet recently at Classic. They have tons of pictures on their phones so I am sure they have pictures of each other from a year or more in the past. I posted about identical twins and where to find them just 5 months ago.

Girls, teens, and women share clothes, shoes, purses, and everything else and are not sisters (but you would think so). It is normal for them to do. It means nothing. You believe they are sisters because they said so and they act very close. Wake up.

If someone is looking for a girl who can deepthroat, let me recommend Tesa. She's one of Chaca's girls, and she's rather proud of her deepthroat skills. The rest of her BJ skills are more normal, a bit above average, but she can go down to the hilt (ymmv of course), and hold it there for several seconds. Not something I have experienced often. Not my most prefered type, and told Chaca as much when she wanted to bring her forward, but went with her anyway due to her recommended BJ skills. Ended up taking her friend too on the spur for a good (by asian standards, with no girl-on-girl action) threesome.

Turned out later that I had gone with her once before, and she frowned a bit extra for me not remembering that, but eventually I remembered her due to her rather constant frowning and "cursing under her breath" demeanor. She frowns a lot and is somewhat bitchy, but if you can play along with that in a humorous way, you can have a good session, alone or with another girl. If you will take stuff like that serious and can not playfully "fight back", you'll have a bad session with her in a threesome I suspect, though solo will probably still be ok and you will get some good, deep, head.

Tipped them both double of what I usually tip for good service, as unless you follow the "official " Classic regime of banging one girl and finishing with her, then relaxing before using the second condom and banging the other girl, with no swapping, the girls have to do quite a bit more work in the 90 minutes with me together than they have in 60 minutes when alone with me. Plus I've read here they get less (90 k vs 110 k?) money in a threesome, though they still seem happy to go as long as the other girl is somebody they get along with. So 200 k each for being good sports in my case.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;3014720]All the Philiipines "sisters" would eat you alive. Try common sense. Simply ask to see their IDs. They needed IDs to get hired. Ask to see a Facebook picture of them together in a home situation like a birthday party. Very easy. Preferably from last year meaning they did not just meet recently at Classic. They have tons of pictures on their phones so I am sure they have pictures of each other from a year or more in the past. I posted about identical twins and where to find them just 5 months ago.

Girls, teens, and women share clothes, shoes, purses, and everything else and are not sisters (but you would think so). It is normal for them to do. It means nothing. You believe they are sisters because they said so and they act very close. Wake up.[/QUOTE]Dude, I'm not going to play Magnum PI or stalker Joe into their personal life or phone pictures based on something one of them just mentioned casually mid-session. Would just creep everyone out and ruin the mood.

They weren't from Classic, but one of the few decent michat experiences. As I said, I was still curious enough to ask older girl to show me her ID, which she did. I wanted to compare with the other girl's ID, but, as I also said, she was in the bathroom at the time, and when she came out I got distracted by something she started doing and forgot about the whole thing.

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;3014267]
Pre-covid, Classic was always pay after your session for everything. And using card too. Actually, all similar places in Jakarta were like this.

More recently, mama started requesting payment up front, which led to a few arguments, but ultimately a March to the counter to pay by card up front. Cue sulking mama as the plan to grab your change has been foiled.

That's likely the reason.

Never had a problem paying after for all in Travel.[/QUOTE]Have not had any problems paying after at Classic recently, neither at T2 or T5.

Can someone please help with intel / leads as to where so called "Model" are available at Jakarta?

[QUOTE=WhoCaresReally;3015056]Can someone please help with intel / leads as to where so called "Model" are available at Jakarta?[/QUOTE][URL]https://indonesia.***************/en/escort/Ayala-913226.html[/URL]

A bargain: only 700 $. But its ok for losers to pay that. Will make you feel good.

[QUOTE=WhoCaresReally;3015056]Can someone please help with intel / leads as to where so called "Model" are available at Jakarta?[/QUOTE]On line, try Sugardaddy. In the flesh, try the top end nightclubs like H club, but bring your A-game, have deep pockets, dress to empress and even then, without the contacts, you may come up empty handed. The real models play at a level that nobody on here wants to get involved in, unless you win the lottery off course. They are chasing after the super rich locals.

This is the sort of dickhead you are batting against. [URL]https://www.instagram.com/reel/DItLsGptq_J/[/URL].

One little story about paying at classic: the other day, after a very satisfying evening session with another girl I went to classic with the intention of just spending some time with my favourite girl there. I paid mami the usual 365 k and told my girl that this time I just wanted to drink and play some pool. After about 40 minutes of playing, drinking and chatting I became horny again. Having spent so much time with her, I assumed that I would have to pay for a second 365 k ticket. But she told me this wasn't necessary. So up to the room we went, and it was great as always with her.

When I checked out there was a small amount for the pool table on the bill and a second item of about 240,000. If you do the math, this is what you would expect 40 minutes cost when one hour is 365 k. So I guess I ended up paying for her time by the minute?

Made 15 bookings during my one week I think. Sent away 10 bookings, at first in person, subsequently after they either refused to send a selfie from the lobby, or sent a selfie of somebody I did not book.

One girl refused BJ without condom (I always start with BJ, so there's no "we had sex already, so you should pay the full price, BJ or no" so I said, ok, we can cancel. She changed her mind and sucked for two seconds or less, then wanted to put on the condom for sex. I said ok, lets cancel. Gave her 100 k and told her she can leave. She refused, wanted the full 500. First time in my life I've had to call hotel security, who took their sweet time to come, and I even called them again as it took so long. They had a long conversation with her, with her insisting on the full payment, and in the end she left with her 100 k, after first offering to "provide service" after all for the full amount (obviously I was not interested in that), and after the two hotel security guys had been talking with her for 30-40 minutes. Only at the very end did they seem to start to grow a bit tired of her and becoming willing to physically pull her out, at which point she asked for the 100 k back, which I had since taken back from bed where I put it for her. She was having her "admin" on the phone most of the time, getting advice I guess.

The other four bookings I went ahead with:

- One was a mistake. 7-8 years older than her photo, and pretty rough around the edges. But didn't notice this until later. 400 k.

- One was as her photo, but accidently repeated with her twice as her "admin" was pimping her via different accounts and, well, I don't know what to say, but I didn't recognize her in the different photos the admin sent from some other account some days later. Good service and real photo, but not so good that I wanted to repeat. Said she was 18, ID said 19 (said something that didn't make sense to me about different years), didn't look more than 18. Paid 500 k the first time, and 450 k the second time. Said she got 300, and admin took the rest.

- One was a decent threesome, pretty much like their photos. 19 and 20 yo. 1 juta.

- One was ok service and looked as her photo, but stomach had extensive baby damage. She messaged me next day about repeating, but I'm in Bangkok now, and wouldn't repeat anyway because of the baby damage. 22 or 23 year old.

In conclusion: michat experience improved as I got more familiar with it, but remains very flaky. As I went to Classic every day, and only used michat in the evenings, it wasn't all that important. Will probably use it again next time too. Perhaps ask them to send me a couple of seconds of video in the chat too, to maybe weed out some more scammers if they don't have that prepared already, or even tell them in advance that they will need to send me a selfie from the lobby. Maybe most of the scammers will then decline coming at all, though I admit I got some enjoyment of anonymously wasting their time and money, perhaps saving some other tourist from getting scammed at that time instead. Maybe some of them will figure out some way to get revenge at me though.

Made me kind of curious about this michat app too. Unlike other apps (e. G. , I only meet normal non-p4 p girls on tinder / bumble / etc. , and ignore the p4 p there), michat appears to be exclusively p4 p. Wonder how it became like that, or if it was always like that.

Hi Werqweq.

Thanks for your reports on Michat and on your successes and frustrations.

Based on the information you have provided and my own limited experience, I have concluded that for myself that the juice of Michat is simply not worth the squeeze.

It seems rife with scams, bait and switch and it takes a high amount of effort, coordination and diligence. This is the exact opposite of how I prefer to spend my time in Jakarta. There are much easier ways, thank goodness, to get laid in Jakarta. While everyone has their own preferences and likes. I think I will stick to the brothels and nightlife pickup areas and maybe even a bumble date or two. But can't imagine I will spend much time wading through the experience that seems to be Michat. I spent about an hour or so on it during my last trip and just decided to go out again and get laid instead.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3015212]Made 15 bookings during my one week I think. Sent away 10 bookings, at first in person, subsequently after they either refused to send a selfie from the lobby, or sent a selfie of somebody I did not book.[/QUOTE]Wasn't it Winston Churchill who said something like "Insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result"?

Anyway, I had a great evening at Sari Ayu in KI. Banged two new girls. One really tall, about 5 foot 10 inches. Beautiful face, GFE kissing, and great attitude. Zero English of course, but my friend Google Translate, was there to help.

The 2nd girl was a curvy good-looking hottie who also gave incredible GFE service, with tons of kissing whilst I fucked her in mish. Zero English again, but it didn't matter. The world seems a wonderful place when you have your dick inside a young ripe pussy.

And neither girl had to send me a selfie from the lobby.

Coming back to Jakarta for November. BATS and CJ's are my favorite haunts. Haven't seen a review of either of these places in a long time. Reading the forum, I'd think only Classic exists anymore.

Anyone want to share a recent CJ's experience?

[QUOTE=Fudimaar;3015364]Wasn't it Winston Churchill who said something like "Insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result"?

Anyway, I had a great evening at Sari Ayu in KI. Banged two new girls. One really tall, about 5 foot 10 inches. Beautiful face, GFE kissing, and great attitude. Zero English of course, but my friend Google Translate, was there to help.

The 2nd girl was a curvy good-looking hottie who also gave incredible GFE service, with tons of kissing whilst I fucked her in mish. Zero English again, but it didn't matter. The world seems a wonderful place when you have your dick inside a young ripe pussy.

And neither girl had to send me a selfie from the lobby.[/QUOTE]I think it's most commonly attributed to Albert Einstein, who apparently never said it though.

What made me continue using michat was the few good experiences, but had I not been able to walk over to Classic every afternoon for a sure thing, I would not have bothered with michat in the evening. I'd gone where you went for a sure thing instead. Even then, unless you have stuff do in your room while waiting for what is most likely a michat scammer, I'd stay clear of michat.

Something about convenience of having a girl arrive at your room in the evening, and then going straight to bed after she's left, though ...