Cartagena Reports

We went to the beach next to Playa Azul, bill came to about $900.

Now ill be honest we were a party of 4, we had 2 jetskis for about 2 hours, lots of drinks and food, and crew of 2 on the boat ate as well and of course the bathroom fees because we were there for a good 5 hours and left once it stated getting crowded.

When the bill came it was about 4,000,000, COP we understood the jetskis were about 1,500,000 COP. My girl pulls out a picture of the menu and starts calculating, shit almost added up. Turns out they added a 400 mil COP service charge onto the bill then wanted to add 20% on it because we were paying with card. My girl starts arguing about the 400 mil service charge because apparently there is some law I never heard of where paying the service fee is optional.

They were going back and forth for about 15 minutes with it and we just said fuck it we will pay because it was already after 2, we wanted to go to another beach and spend a little time there before heading back and didn't want choppy water. I go to pay the bill with my card, the bill guy standing next to me, wants me to sign, I get it, I sign, he wants me to put a phone number too, I get it, I put a number, but as soon as I put the the number the guy says something and I look up and its his phone in my face and I hear the camera shutter. Before I can say anything, he grabs the bill and runs off.

I'm standing there like WTF just happened. I look at my girl and asked her WTF just happened? She doesn't know because she haven't been to an island since I saw her on my last trip.

This may be the new tactic to fight against chargebacks. Don't get selfie ambushed like I did.

I barely have anything good to report on this trip, after loosing power for a whole day, then loosing water for a whole day, then the crazy rain storms almost every day, For some odd reason Dolce played Indian music all night (love the new bathroom though), I'm exhausted.

Was in Cartagena for three days a week ago so thought I'd write a quick report. Stayed at Hotel Dorado which is very close to the clock tower. This was a low end hotel that allowed one girl to visit for free since I had reserved for two, but charged me 100 K COP for the second girl I brought back. Only major complaint about this place is that the internet was either intermittent or non existent. This is not acceptable if your trying to work remotely, ended up having to take a vacation day due to no internet. Noticed Juan Valdez has pretty good WIFI but is limited to about 30 minutes (with coffee purchase) if you don't have an account with them. I'd like to set up an account but seems you need to have a local phone number.

All the girls I pulled were from the clock tower. First girl was thin and pretty but seemed to have very high mileage, she offered 300 K / hour but I got her down to 250 K. They all seem to go to the same building for short time rooms a couple blocks away from the clock tower and the charge is 100 K / hour for the room. This is pretty expensive in my opinion. 100 K is roughly $25/ US. Second girl charged 300 K for a hot girl from Bogota. Took this one back to my hotel. It was a great session with lots of kissing. This was her first time working in Cartagena so she didn't even know where the short time rooms were.

Third girl was a fit and tall girl from Armenia (Colombia). She wanted $100/ US up front and we went to the same short time hotel paying 100 K COP for an hour. I payed with USD that I took along but wasn't actually expecting to use. This ended up being a great session as she allowed me to do anything I wanted within reason, although the BJ was covered. Would definitely repeat with her.

Fourth girl also wanted 100 USD, but I only had pesos so I payed 400 K COP. Took her back to the hotel and had to pay 100 K COP extra because she was a different girl from the first girl the previous night. She definitely didn't want to get with me, possibly because I had rejected her early in the night. She demanded I pay up front and left after 30 minutes after she said she had enough but I didn't get to finish. Oh well, you win some and you lose some.

I've visited Bogota many times but this was only my second time in Cartagena. The ATM on the second floor of the exito mall would give me 100 K COP notes that were green in color. This is the first time I've ever seen 100 K COP bills. I've never seen this type of bill in Bogota.

In general, there were plenty of hot girls in the clock tower area and walking to the surrounding clubs on Friday. I feel the standard rate of $100/ US is a bit steep but it's not much higher than previous years.

I was also in Bogota Santa Fe area this trip and it has gone downhill quite a bit. I kept busy but had a hard time finding girls above a 7 in any of the clubs. Fiebres and Troya used to be standing room only on the weekends, but now it's easy to find a seat. I'm not sure where all the girls went to but I'm guessing they found greener pastures. The girls in the Santa Fe area (Bogota) are now charging 100 K COP for 20 minutes. A few years ago the rate was 70 K COP. However, with the USD exchange rate, it's about the same as in previous years. $25 US to be with a girl is ridiculously cheap, and the one street girl I sessioned with only charged 50 K, about the price of a Chipotle burrito bowl in the US.

[QUOTE=Blade2001;2754711] I feel the standard rate of $100/ US is a bit steep but it's not much higher than previous years.[/QUOTE]I am certainly not minimizing your experience and I thank you for your post but I am starting to think that a lot of "high rollers" aka weekend warriar types (they are why the expression "a fool and his money are soon parted") have ruined what was once a spot that was in the top five of mongering spots in the western hemisphere.

I have not been to Cartagena for about 3 years, since right before covid, but the I have been to Cartagena 9 times between 2009 and 2019 and the standard rate was always 200 K pesos (which is currently about $40) short time (which was rarely limted to an hour) and 400 k for TLN. The whole night (Currently about $80) - , and no one and I mean no one would have ever talked in USD. Its the Peso and only the Peso. Right now that is just poisoning the market because the exchange rate is so high.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2754907]I am certainly not minimizing your experience and I thank you for your post but I am starting to think that a lot of "high rollers" aka weekend warriar types (they are why the expression "a fool and his money are soon parted") have ruined what was once a spot that was in the top five of mongering spots in the western hemisphere.

I have not been to Cartagena for about 3 years, since right before covid, but the I have been to Cartagena 9 times between 2009 and 2019 and the standard rate was always 200 K pesos (which is currently about $40) short time (which was rarely limted to an hour) and 400 k for TLN. The whole night (Currently about $80) - , and no one and I mean no one would have ever talked in USD. Its the Peso and only the Peso. Right now that is just poisoning the market because the exchange rate is so high.[/QUOTE]From what I've gathered talking to my Dolce chicas and I dint want to believe it until I saw it with my own eyes, its the Indians with Dollars or Euros that's causing the girls to ask for more. Was in Dolce 2 different nights with 2 different chicas that they both said the same thing. They can charge one of them $100 an hour or $300 for the night, many of them will go $300 for the night, when they get back to their hotel the guy was drinking and smoking so much they can barely have sex or only have sex once then send her home early but she goes back to the club for another one. Both nights I went there and they played that Mundian To Bach Ke song about twice or used the intro sample to lead into another song and its an immediate bunch of guys hands in the air looks like they are screwing in light bulbs.

My club girls now look at Delirium as the desperate location if they cannot get anything from walking the street or dolce does not let them in, they don't even bother with Space anymore either, they are going where they can get the most money out of the men and Dolce seems to be the place to do it.

I thought I would be unaffected by the weekend millionaires because I was not going to take any new girls but I've had 3 of my girls I've known for years all of a sudden want $100 or 400 mil pesos for short time and want to do CBJ and condom sex even though its always been 300 mil BBBJ or BBFS even when I saw them in March. At least they didn't ask for money up front and knew I always pay after but after they didn't even want to stay around, it was clothes on and gone. Had to get 2 new ones who's not too hardened for 200 mil BBFS and they stayed the whole damn day no problem multiple leches and sent them home in time for my main girl to come at night.

I leave tomorrow so tonight's just a quiet dinner in Getsemani, and drinks away from the Centro BS.

Them dams kids is still out there at like 11 pm, I thought they were going to put a curfew on them to keep them off the street.

[QUOTE=Blade2001;2754711]Was in Cartagena for three days a week ago so thought I'd write a quick report. Stayed at Hotel Dorado which is very close to the clock tower. ...............

I've visited Bogota many times but this was only my second time in Cartagena. The ATM on the second floor of the exito mall would give me 100 K COP notes that were green in color. This is the first time I've ever seen 100 K COP bills. I've never seen this type of bill in Bogota..[/QUOTE]Those bills are a curse. No one takes them except large restaurants, clubs and the girls. I usually change out $1000 at a time at the Cambrio and they try to load me up with those 100 K bills even though I tell them give me the 50 K bills. Even with the 50 K bills its a fight with the taxi to get change.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2754907]I am certainly not minimizing your experience and I thank you for your post but I am starting to think that a lot of "high rollers" aka weekend warriar types (they are why the expression "a fool and his money are soon parted") have ruined what was once a spot that was in the top five of mongering spots in the western hemisphere.

I have not been to Cartagena for about 3 years, since right before covid, but the I have been to Cartagena 9 times between 2009 and 2019 and the standard rate was always 200 K pesos (which is currently about $40) short time (which was rarely limted to an hour) and 400 k for TLN. The whole night (Currently about $80) - , and no one and I mean no one would have ever talked in USD. Its the Peso and only the Peso. Right now that is just poisoning the market because the exchange rate is so high.[/QUOTE]Yeah I agree with you that $100 USD is too high (about 400 K COP), but it seemed like all the hottest girls were asking that price and didn't seem to want to budge from it. I just assumed that this was the going price in Cartegena post pandemic. Even a Venezuelan girl asked for the same rate in USD and I walked away. I had visited Cartegena about 3 or 4 years ago pre-pandemic and most of the girls were charging 200 K COP short time. The hottest ones were charging 300 K COP short time, but I always walked when they charged that much. I'm curious about others experiences if they've been here recently. I'm also curious about the prices in Medellin for Faces Dos and La Isla. I scrolled through a couple pages of the Medellin forum but didn't see any info about these prices. Since I was only in Cartegena a few days, I wasn't about to not pull.

As frequently noted here, NEVER pay upfront and send them on their way immediately. It's a guarantee for poor service. By doing so, I suspect you also lose their respect. I take great pleasure in giving them the boot when they ask in advance. I also don't renegotiate once they agree to payment later, which almost all do.

[QUOTE=Blade2001;2754974]........... I'm also curious about the prices in Medellin for Faces Dos and La Isla. I scrolled through a couple pages of the Medellin forum but didn't see any info about these prices. Since I was only in Cartegena a few days, I wasn't about to not pull.[/QUOTE]I spend 2 weeks in Medellin at the beginning of the month before coming to Cartagena and I can tell you its all where you are and who you talk to because its so big. I tried to read through the Medellin board to get info on where to stay, what to do, prices, where the girls are, etc but it was so much back and forth bullshit I gave up and went blind. After 3 days I got sick and tired of negotiating due to all the girls wanted $100 or 400 mil for short time and wanted to be paid up front. This was mostly Parque Lleras area where I spent most of my time, big construction around there where they are digging up the road and part of the park blocked off. Since I was solo first 3 days I just allot of talking and walking away from high numbers, People kept trying to get me to go to Gustos or La Isla but that's not my thing and I could care less about it. One guy offered to take me to Centro where girls where they had girls in set packages or tiers, Bronze, Silver, Gold with prices starting at 60 K COP for 30 minutes, 80 K for 45 minutes, 100 K for an hour, etc and once I saw what the girls look like I finally understood why many members say they got girls for low prices and can describe them but would never post a picture of the girl. Bottom of the barrel chicas, sure they have nice asses when bent over but when they turn around, they also have a big stomach or a face that needs the lights turned off, I'm not paying a penny for that.

I did get one when I was walking by Dominoes that was solid for 300 K for 2 leches, had a large lion face tattooed on her arm and a large eagle face tattooed on her torso, forgot her name but ill never forget her body but of course she was too focused on going back to Parque to make more money after I finished.

After 3 days I gave up and flew in my chica from CTG and just enjoyed the rest of my time there doing tourist things before flying back to CTG with her.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2755127]I spend 2 weeks in Medellin at the beginning of the month before coming to Cartagena and I can tell you its all where you are and who you talk to because its so big. I tried to read through the Medellin board to get info on where to stay, what to do, prices, where the girls are, etc but it was so much back and forth bullshit I gave up and went blind. After 3 days I got sick and tired of negotiating due to all the girls wanted $100 or 400 mil for short time and wanted to be paid up front. This was mostly Parque Lleras area where I spent most of my time, big construction around there where they are digging up the road and part of the park blocked off. Since I was solo first 3 days I just allot of talking and walking away from high numbers, People kept trying to get me to go to Gustos or La Isla but that's not my thing and I could care less about it. One guy offered to take me to Centro where girls where they had girls in set packages or tiers, Bronze, Silver, Gold with prices starting at 60 K COP for 30 minutes, 80 K for 45 minutes, 100 K for an hour, etc and once I saw what the girls look like I finally understood why many members say they got girls for low prices and can describe them but would never post a picture of the girl. Bottom of the barrel chicas, sure they have nice asses when bent over but when they turn around, they also have a big stomach or a face that needs the lights turned off, I'm not paying a penny for that..[/QUOTE]Yep the Medellin forum is a mess if you want real information its a lot of back and forth about ATM fees & Viagra. I returned from my most recent Medellin / Cartagena two weeks ago. I spent two weeks in Medellin and one in Cartagena. Facebook / Tinder is the way to go for Medellin the avg quote for an HR is 200-250 mil. Parque Lleras is hit or miss but even when pulling from there I avg 300 mill which was about $65. I have yet to pay a chic $100 in Colombia and I've been traveling here since 2018. La Isla is fun if you go in a group and split bottles, I've had some of my best nights there. Its odd because it has rooms on site and the girls are 350 mill an hour but they also tend to let freelancers in who will go back to your hotel with you after you negotiate price. Medellin has casas spread out which can range from 50 k -150 k for and HR. New life, Zandalay, Energy are my go to's. I don't do centro streetwalkers but the centro strip clubs are fun and the girls put on good shows. I watched a chick fuck another one on stage with a strap on.

Cartagena was more of the same but this trip the girls heavily outnumbered the men. Delirium was 3 to 1 and there were even more of them outside the club 250-350 k in delirium. I noticed they heavily increased the bottle prices (its still cheap by American standards) but still its noticeable. Even in dolce the girls outnumbered the guys heavily. I was quoted $100 but switched to pesos and took a solid 9 back to the spot. One thing I noticed about Dolce is that there were groups of European dudes who were not mongers and had mistaken dolce for a regular bar. I spoke to a couple of them and they had no intention of paying at all lmaoo they thought they could just run some game on the girls and take them back. I'm sure if they got drunk enough they would consider it. Also notice a lot more Indian / Asian mongers than I've seen in the past. Funny thing is I never see these guys at the beach or walking around Centro daytime but I see them in the clubs.

Arrived in CTG yesterday afternoon. For Sunday evening, I had dinner at Cuzco. Quite good though pricey, however, the cost is mitigated by the rapidly increasing value of USD v. Pesos (and other currencies). The dollar has appreciated about 33% from last year at this time and is hovering close to 5 k CoP. Been reading the going rate is 400 k for short time though not sure if that is a standard or a sucker deal. Tonight I sat for about 1/2 hour on those wooden beaches by the wall at Clocktower area. Within the space of ten minutes, I had unwanted company of three different women. All MILF's and being generous with my 5: rating. It was about 9:30 and there was a big modern police van parked right in middle of plaza, however, it left exactly. At 10 pm and some chicas started to drift into plaza.

My hotel, per the norm these days, does not allow guests under any circumstances but since the room is comped, I can't complain too much. But I am staying an additional week at another place who does allow guests so will use the interim period to see if I can find someone worthy of my company LOL.

[QUOTE=Blade2001;2754974]Yeah I agree with you that $100 USD is too high (about 400 K COP), but it seemed like all the hottest girls were asking that price and didn't seem to want to budge from it. I just assumed that this was the going price in Cartegena post pandemic. Even a Venezuelan girl asked for the same rate in USD and I walked away. I had visited Cartegena about 3 or 4 years ago pre-pandemic and most of the girls were charging 200 K COP short time. The hottest ones were charging 300 K COP short time, but I always walked when they charged that much. I'm curious about others experiences if they've been here recently. I'm also curious about the prices in Medellin for Faces Dos and La Isla. I scrolled through a couple pages of the Medellin forum but didn't see any info about these prices. Since I was only in Cartegena a few days, I wasn't about to not pull.[/QUOTE]La Isla prices [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2740016[/URL].

I just spent a week in Cartegena with a friend. We rented a private 2 BR house near the plaza San Diego. The place came with a maid whom we sent away to her family for half our stay. She cooks and shops if you want that. Otherwise, she hides in a basement roon, leaving guests alone. There is a kitchen, 3 bathrooms and a small pool.

Before we paid, I asked the owner, Alvaro, if guests were permitted. He answered that as long as we were quiet, there was no problem. Indeed, my friend and I brought in a different woman every night and no one complained. On two occasios, my chica left while the maid was cleaning and wished her a Buen DIA; this interaction was seamless. After paying, we received the official rules that state no guests and no children under 8. Obviously guests were ok, but I would be extremely surprised if they allowed kids.

This apartment has an outdoor porch and a rooftop deck where one can smoke cigarettes or marijuana without worry.

Here is the URL: [URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13002624?source_impression_id=p3_1666632998_%2FKnpbzrctLetzOuR[/URL].

[QUOTE=SteelDh;2755298]Yep the Medellin forum is a mess if you want real information it’s a lot of back and forth about ATM fees & Viagra. …………

Cartagena was more of the same but this trip the girls heavily outnumbered the men. Delirium was 3 to 1 and there were even more of them outside the club 250-350 k in delirium. I noticed they heavily increased the bottle prices (its still cheap by American standards) but still its noticeable. Even in dolce the girls outnumbered the guys heavily. I was quoted $100 but switched to pesos and took a solid 9 back to the spot. One thing I noticed about Dolce is that there were groups of European dudes who were not mongers and had mistaken dolce for a regular bar. I spoke to a couple of them and they had no intention of paying at all lmaoo they thought they could just run some game on the girls and take them back. I'm sure if they got drunk enough they would consider it. Also notice a lot more Indian / Asian mongers than I've seen in the past. Funny thing is I never see these guys at the beach or walking around Centro daytime but I see them in the clubs.[/QUOTE]I did go into Delirium one night as one of my chicas is usually in there and wanted to go. Many of the girls I saw looked like the exact same ones I avoid here in the TriState, manly looking and hood so we left. She also wanted to try the Bronx Afro house that's next to VSOP. I made a joke about moving out of the Bronx just to fly 2000 miles to go to a place named Bronx but she didn't get it. We went up and it was nothing but boomers in there sitting around drinking. We both felt out of place since I'm in my 30's and my girl under 25 so it was just awkward. We left and went to Monkey Bar, all the gringo girls in here, packed, can't even move so left again. Ended up at Townhouse.

The Indians and Asians don't stay in Centro during the day time. They mostly go do day trips. I saw a bunch of them over at the islands Luxury, Isla del Rosario, and Playa Puntilla. The strange thing is it's either all guys or the guys highly outnumber the girls that are with them. Many of them just go straight to Dolce get a girl for the hour and leave, it's how my dolce girls make a killing. I'm surprised they let in all those Europeans and they didn't know what they were getting into, they were better off going to Alquimico and try to run game there cause in Dolce it's money or nothing. Jajaja.

Did they do the dancing on the bar and dancing on the makeshift stage while you were in Dolce? It crazy because I remember back in November if you tried to record with your phone in Dolce it would be a problem, now everyone got phones out recording even the girls SMH.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2755299]Arrived in CTG yesterday afternoon. For Sunday evening, I had dinner at Cuzco. Quite good though pricey, however, the cost is mitigated by the rapidly increasing value of USD v. Pesos (and other currencies). The dollar has appreciated about 33% from last year at this time and is hovering close to 5 k CoP. Been reading the going rate is 400 k for short time though not sure if that is a standard or a sucker deal. Tonight I sat for about 1/2 hour on those wooden beaches by the wall at Clocktower area. Within the space of ten minutes, I had unwanted company of three different women. All MILF's and being generous with my 5: rating. It was about 9:30 and there was a big modern police van parked right in middle of plaza, however, it left exactly. At 10 pm and some chicas started to drift into plaza.

My hotel, per the norm these days, does not allow guests under any circumstances but since the room is comped, I can't complain too much. But I am staying an additional week at another place who does allow guests so will use the interim period to see if I can find someone worthy of my company LOL.[/QUOTE]We must have crossed paths because I left Sunday afternoon. On your way back make sure you have a mask, they won't let you in the airport without one.

Enjoy you stay and hopefully you had better weather than I did because every day I was there it rained hard! That area infront of the clock tower going to Getsemeni was always flooded and smelled like shit.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2755459]I did go into Delirium one night as one of my chicas is usually in there and wanted to go. Many of the girls I saw looked like the exact same ones I avoid here in the TriState, manly looking and hood so we left. She also wanted to try the Bronx Afro house that's next to VSOP. I made a joke about moving out of the Bronx just to fly 2000 miles to go to a place named Bronx but she didn't get it. We went up and it was nothing but boomers in there sitting around drinking. We both felt out of place since I'm in my 30's and my girl under 25 so it was just awkward. We left and went to Monkey Bar, all the gringo girls in here, packed, can't even move so left again. Ended up at Townhouse.

The Indians and Asians don't stay in Centro during the day time. They mostly go do day trips. I saw a bunch of them over at the islands Luxury, Isla del Rosario, and Playa Puntilla.[b] The strange thing is it's either all guys or the guys highly outnumber the girls that are with them [/b]. Many of them just go straight to Dolce get a girl for the hour and leave, it's how my dolce girls make a killing. I'm surprised they let in all those Europeans and they didn't know what they were getting into, they were better off going to Alquimico and try to run game there cause in Dolce it's money or nothing. Jajaja.

Did they do the dancing on the bar and dancing on the makeshift stage while you were in Dolce? It crazy because I remember back in November if you tried to record with your phone in Dolce it would be a problem, now everyone got phones out recording even the girls SMH.[/QUOTE]Yeah I've come to the conclusion that majority of these guys are not participating in mongering, Many of them are married or came with family etc. Or also on a budget.

I arrived Saturday afternoon and outside the airport, the streets were wet with some puddles so it must have rained right before my plane landed. However, there has been no appreciable rain since though it has been more cloudy than not. I repeated the same drill on Monday night as Sunday Eve. Hung out at Clocktower and noticed very few chicas standing in this area at all, unlike my many prior visits. A big police van again in middle of plaza and some chicas hovering around the edges of plaza. Pretty clear they are not permitted to stand in plaza like in olden days. A few sitting on benches who can rightfully explain they are there to enjoy the evening LOL. Walked back to my hotel past La Dolce, Space etc. Seemed "hoodish" and passed. Also, Inferno but it appeared empty. I am under the impression from these pages that's it even more mercenary at these clubs than in the past and that says something! Also, some really unattractive ones running about.

I noticed a couple of places on the floors above the Clocktower. How do you access the rooftop and the floor below? Is this the Townhouse?

I was asked to wear a mask on when arriving at airport so know about that already.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2755461]We must have crossed paths because I left Sunday afternoon. On your way back make sure you have a mask, they won't let you in the airport without one.

Enjoy you stay and hopefully you had better weather than I did because every day I was there it rained hard! That area infront of the clock tower going to Getsemeni was always flooded and smelled like shit.[/QUOTE]

I hear the wife beaters and yankee fitted hats have made their way to Cartagena. They ran Sosua into the ground, I hope Colombia won't tolerate that bullshit.

Someone mentioned in the last few pages about a place called the Townhouse and also noted the Monkey Bar. I stumbled across the Members Only club, which is on the ground floor of a townhouse in El Centro that is a boutique hotel with a "swinging hot spot" a la Joni Mitchell on the rooftop patio. Apparently, the place rocks on weekends but did not go up there since it was Tuesday night. The very comely and personable cocktail waitress in Members Only told me they were also having a private party at the ground level bar this Saturday

However, it's $150 USD for entry, which includes a burlesque event (stripping, I assume), free food and open bar. Apparently, they offer this event from time to time, though it may be too rich for my blood unless someone here can recommend this event. The townhouse hotel also has ten rooms including one suite on the top floor with a dipping pool. Not cheap, however, but it looked nice from their website. A standard room, if available, can be had for $115 per night. The rooms are above the Members Only bar.

Last night, they had a nice jazz trio with an alto sax, keyboard player and woman singer. It was rather sparsely attended but the club itself was quite nice plus did I mention the waitress? She is worth the zero price of admission. I did not go to the Monkey Bar but will check it out tonight. Also, someone also mentioned Tulum, a new club in Getesamani so will swing by there too.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2755715]I hear the wife beaters and yankee fitted hats have made their way to Cartagena. They ran Sosua into the ground, I hope Colombia won't tolerate that bullshit.[/QUOTE]It's a growing problem unfortunately.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2755715]I hear the wife beaters and yankee fitted hats have made their way to Cartagena. They ran Sosua into the ground, I hope Colombia won't tolerate that bullshit.[/QUOTE]They have been increasing in numbers for a while. Fortunately, they are concentrated to Playa Hollywood around Kiosk #4, Clock Tower, and Delirium. They sometimes spill over into VSOP and Dolce though.

Even some of the chicas are walking around with Yankee fitteds.

[QUOTE=AcesOnTheRiver;2747483]Yup for Poseidon- elevators still a huge problem, even though two of the 3 were working this time. But that's the only problem we ever have there and just suck it up. We stay on the 21st top floor 5 br penthouse with panoramic balcony- it's so sick. No roach issues and never ever had visitor issues in 5 years, always signing in 4-5 different chicas each and every night.[/QUOTE]Do you have the Airbnb listing for this penthouse spot?

I'm planning my return trip and the host turned off the property I usually stay at on the 16th floor in this building.

With all the headaches I had on my last trip with electricity going out then no water I'm willing into give up the freedom of no security for a good stay.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2756153]They have been increasing in numbers for a while. Fortunately, they are concentrated to Playa Hollywood around Kiosk #4, Clock Tower, and Delirium. They sometimes spill over into VSOP and Dolce though.

Even some of the chicas are walking around with Yankee fitteds.[/QUOTE]Last trip everything was chill but a brother told me that. his AIRNB guests are getting in big problems because they think that as Americans they can do anything. And the girls are in on it with the cops.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2756148]It's a growing problem unfortunately.[/QUOTE]Has it drove up the chica prices at all?

[QUOTE=Nypher;2756153]They have been increasing in numbers for a while. Fortunately, they are concentrated to Playa Hollywood around Kiosk #4, Clock Tower, and Delirium. They sometimes spill over into VSOP and Dolce though.

Even some of the chicas are walking around with Yankee fitteds.[/QUOTE]Interesting, Sosua overtime adopted the same urban style as the people who visited the town.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2756364]Has it drove up the chica prices at all?

Interesting, Sosua overtime adopted the same urban style as the people who visited the town.[/QUOTE]I believe it has driven up the prices. These groups are hunted down from the moment the touts at the beach entrances spot them. But to each his own. Be friendly and have a good time. But don't pay in advance.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2756763]I believe it has driven up the prices. These groups are hunted down from the moment the touts at the beach entrances spot them. But to each his own. Be friendly and have a good time. But don't pay in advance.[/QUOTE]Well I hope they don't come to Medellin jaja.

I am in Cartagena now and whilst walking about today in the midday heat came across a massage place on a side street called "Relax" and something. There were a few girls in the doorway area but needed to be elsewhere so did not enquire. It's not too far from Plaza Madrid (maybe two blocks). I though that I saw some comments about massage places on here but can't seem to find anything. Needless to say, an he would be nice as well. Anybody?

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2756936]Well I hope they don't come to Medellin jaja.[/QUOTE]I believe Medellin is too big to get affected, and it depends on what mongers are going for.

For example, when I was there for 2 weeks I was in In El Poblado. I didn't do Centro or Laureles or one of the other areas as it was my first time. In El Poblado around Parque Lareles I would approach chicas and offer 300 K for the hour and they would counter with $100 or $120 for the hour. They wouldn't even try negotiating with me in Pesos. I endured 3 days of this and out of the 3 days I only got 1 hit, so threw in the towel and just flew in my main Dolce chica.

When we got I got to Cartegena, I reached out to my other chicas, same chicas I just saw in March for 200 K a leche or 400 K for the night 2-3 leches all BBFS and I always see them when I go to Cartegena. Why all of a sudden 6 months later the Colombian chicas are asking for 400 K or $100 for 1 leche and 1. 2 million K or $250 for the night and now they want everything with a condom. I settled with 300 K with condom for the leche and after I was done, told them if you want to charge me more money but offer me less service ill find someone else. My Venezuelan chicas are still the same price and service (but I sort of get it because most don't have proper documentation to get pass security or don't want to get caught in Centro by Migracion so they go from house to gringo back to the house). My main Dolce chica who I flew out is still the same where she only ask for taxi money most of the times, and she's with me all night until she leaves in the afternoon. Same with my main Delirium Chica.

My main Dolce chica told me allot of those same Centro girls charge 50 K in the barrios for locals, then come to Centro and charge gringos $100. Of course I call bullshit so she took me to Caribe Plaza mall for the day where she would point out girls and I would approve or decline. When she points one I like, she would approach them and start a quick conversation, then I would come along (with my limited Spanish) and see where it goes. Basic conversation of (Telling my girl I'm ready to go, ask whose her friend? Introduce myself with Hi, my name is- what's your name? What are you doing tonight? Join my friends and I for a drink later, etc) Out of about 7 girls I managed to get 2 different 18 yo BBFS for 100 K + taxi which tops out at 30 K. So this higher price with less service I'm not taking no part of it especially if we been together before.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2756975]I am in Cartagena now and whilst walking about today in the midday heat came across a massage place on a side street called "Relax" and something. There were a few girls in the doorway area but needed to be elsewhere so did not enquire. It's not too far from Plaza Madrid (maybe two blocks). I though that I saw some comments about massage places on here but can't seem to find anything. Needless to say, an he would be nice as well. Anybody?[/QUOTE]I don't have much experience with those places but I can say, the ones that walk around with scrubs uniforms handing out the cards will come to your room and give you the massage and you can negotiate for extras. The young ones will jump at the offer.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2756978]My main Dolce chica told me allot of those same Centro girls charge 50 K in the barrios for locals, then come to Centro and charge gringos $100.[/QUOTE]Guys in various threads have been preaching this for years. Just because the chick gets $100 from you does not mean she is not doing the same for 50 K in other places. This goes over so many guys heads though because they do not understand price discrimination and think well if she can get $100 in Place A, why would she go to Place be for less. Makes no sense to a lot of guys, but those that understand and know are able to take advantage of it as your chick has taught you.

NO? I had a plan to go but seems I may change and do Salento / Bogota / Medellin instead. Say it isn't so.

I will keep in an eye out for those girls. So far, I don't recall seeing anything like that. Any part of El Centro where they might be? I did find the Relax Spa website and it seems legit. In fact, too legit. A regular one hour massage is 150 cop. But if they have a website, a he may not be on the table so to speak.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2756983]I don't have much experience with those places but I can say, the ones that walk around with scrubs uniforms handing out the cards will come to your room and give you the massage and you can negotiate for extras. The young ones will jump at the offer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2757037]I will keep in an eye out for those girls. So far, I don't recall seeing anything like that. Any part of El Centro where they might be? I did find the Relax Spa website and it seems legit. In fact, too legit. A regular one hour massage is 150 cop. But if they have a website, a he may not be on the table so to speak.[/QUOTE]They are mostly walking around the Clock Tower area, over by the big multi-level Exito, but I mostly encounter them walking up Calle de Nuestra (Carrera 10) going towards that fancy mall (La Serrezuela) during morning and afternoons, same with Calle de la Universidad (Carrera 6).

Going to be living in Cartagena next year. Anyone headed to Carnival in Barranquilla mid-February?

[QUOTE=Nypher;2757048]They are mostly walking around the Clock Tower area, over by the big multi-level Exito, but I mostly encounter them walking up Calle de Nuestra (Carrera 10) going towards that fancy mall (La Serrezuela) during morning and afternoons, same with Calle de la Universidad (Carrera 6).[/QUOTE]Ok. I just noticed there is another Relax Spa near Calle Nuestra and a different spa called Uraku Spa in that area. Will check it out.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2757186]Going to be living in Cartagena next year. Anyone headed to Carnival in Barranquilla mid-February?[/QUOTE]My main Dolce chica will be taking me so I was planning on dropping in for that weekend but those direct flight from NYC area is $800+ just to go and the return is about the same. So I might drop in the week before Carnival and give Medellin another try then go to Barranquilla for that Carnival weekend, then finish off in Cartegena, or head to Santa Martha, or San Andreas to finish the trip.

All my chicas are warning me, put my money and cell in my front pocket and stay with other gringos, don't mix in with the locals too much there. They say the pickpocketing is insane during that time.

Looks like all my usual guest friendly no security AirBBs are already booked for that timeframe too. SMH.

Relatively new member here, and have been RTFF for last few months soaking in all the great info.

Don't have a lot of time there, so looking to see if there are some girls members would recommend and are willing to share so I can get a head start and not get ripped off. Staying in El Centro. Looking for flaquita type, semi-pro preferred. But really, any chica that you've had a good experience with. Some TLN if things go well.

Please DM with contact and photo / social if available. Happy to send an update on how things go.

Greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2757014]NO? I had a plan to go but seems I may change and do Salento / Bogota / Medellin instead. Say it isn't so.[/QUOTE]Aside from beach / water activities I don't see a reason to go to Cartagena but that's just my personal preference.

[QUOTE=Jan0171;2757345]Relatively new member here, and have been RTFF for last few months soaking in all the great info.

Don't have a lot of time there, so looking to see if there are some girls members would recommend and are willing to share so I can get a head start and not get ripped off. Staying in El Centro. Looking for flaquita type, semi-pro preferred. But really, any chica that you've had a good experience with. Some TLN if things go well.

Please DM with contact and photo / social if available. Happy to send an update on how things go.

Greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]For semi-pros, just use Colombian Cupid or chat up one of the younger girls at a nail salon or restaurant. They aren't prepagos, but they are 100% gringo chasers.

Today I made it my mission to see if there were any massage places in El Centro where my "spidey" sense said extras might be available. I was walking on Calle De La Cruz where I saw a woman standing outside a shop who handed me a massage menu. The place was called Hom Spa and the sign said men only, which is usually a tell. On the menu was "quartro manos" or 4 hands massage. I had one once in Borneo (KK) with two young hotties and it was spectacular. Think the shop actual location may have been upstairs.

A bit further down, I came across Relax Spa, also up a flight of stairs. I believe this place is under the same ownership as the massage place with same name located near Universidad. However, this one said men only. There were private walled rooms and had a nice spa type atmosphere. There was one semi sultry chicks in the waiting area. They also had quartro manos massage and the cost was 280 k for one hour or at $60 usd, whether that was all in or included extras was not clear.

I also found another massage spa around the corner on Las Bombas called Ukuru Spa. But that was for men and woman and offered couple massages. A couple of gorditas hanging out in waiting area so doubt that will yield much action. '.

Might give one of these a go though Relax closes at 7 so it's more a daytime place. Still have not seen any girls passing out massage cards but would prefer inviting someone over to my hotel as my new place allows guests.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2757014]NO? I had a plan to go but seems I may change and do Salento / Bogota / Medellin instead. Say it isn't so.[/QUOTE]Don, I had the whole country to choose from where to set down roots, and I chose Cartagena but the only reason was I had a gal already.

I go to CTG every month or so for a week or so and I cannot recall seeing women where I did a double take. I have not been to La Dolce Vita which guys have said is filled with the most amazing looking women but I cannot imagine it being better than La Isla in Medellin or Fiebre in Bogota.

In comparison, I spent one night in the GHL hotel in Barranquilla, and I saw two women in the lobby, and I am not sure if they were hookers or SBs or what, but they were among the most beautiful women I have ever seen in my life. The pool is on the top floor, and I went up there and there was some band doing a video and I saw three more absolutely stunning women. I have not seen that many hot women in any other city outside of Medellin in Colombia but even that is not a fair comparison because we are comparing a few nights in Barranquilla to dozens in Medellin.

I had five women there. They were all stunning, all great in bed, and none were cocky. The reason people do not go there is because it is boring and the weather is hot. I do not mind the heat but I know others do.

I thought what Nypher suggested about having a woman approach other women was great. I wish I had thought of that. My seeking gal that night knew two of the women doing the music video, and I should have invited them down to my room for a foursome but oh well. This same seeking woman did on a later trip show up with a friend of hers who was really hot, but I declined that too because I was spent.

I get when guys say Barranquilla is boring, but I think if women are your entertainment or you establish a routine it could be great. You are also dealing with a lot less competition. Unlike Lleras Park or Bocagrande, where you can spot and hear loads of gringos, I do not recall seeing any in Barranquilla.

You are not going to see the wall to wall WGs like CTG, Bogota, or Medellin, but if you are looking for the hottest of sugar babies, it is target rich.

It also does not hurt that the flights are cheaper and not as booked up as other cities, and the hotels are nice, modern, and way cheaper than the other cities in Colombia.

If things with me and my current woman did not work out, and I had to start looking for another sugar baby or GF type gal, my first stop in Colombia would be Barranquilla.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2757567]For semi-pros, just use Colombian Cupid or chat up one of the younger girls at a nail salon or restaurant. They aren't prepagos, but they are 100% gringo chasers.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Will check out CC. Might be tough to land semi-pros without speaking Spanish now that I think about it. So prepagos maybe the way to go.

Last night around 9:45 I decided to walk to Clocktower and watch the mid evening activity since it was Halloween. There was not too much going on except a few random families with their children, the normal assortment of wayward hookers, and the usual suspects. After a 1/2 hour, I left my station and started the walk back to my hotel. Turning the corner on the street towards Delirium, I encountered a young looking white girl who grabbed my arm. Usually, I don't allow hookers to touch me before I know them but I was in a relaxed frame of mind and told her after a few seconds she was too young. I estimated she could have been 16 or 17 yo. Nevertheless, she persisted in wrapping her hand around my forearm. While I was thinking of how to divest her from my arm, several seconds later I encountered 5 mulatto women and one got down on her knees in front of me stimulating oral sex while the others circled me. Within seconds, they swarmed me on all sides, grabbing and poking me and trying repeatedly to unzip my pockets. I felt one woman with her hand on my phone while another tried to pick my wallet in my other pocket.

I spun around to escape both pushing them off me. I was so angry that I hit one women in the stomach who claimed it was not her but another chick who was attempting to steal my phone. Then she retaliated by hitting me a glancing blow with her pocketbook. This entire incident occurred all in the space of a minute in full view of other pedestrians as I was walking in middle of streets just steps from the porticos of the Clocktower. Finally when I yelled "ladrones", they backed off.

A minute later, I spoke to a cop at the next intersection and pointed out where they were but he was too lazy to walk two minutes to investigate. Not sure what happened to the under aged gal or if she was part of this assault but because of their different skin colors, I kind of doubt it. Needless to say, it speaks to the brazenness of these women as such an event would not have happened in years past that close to the Clocktower at that early an hour.

Be careful out there and don't let them touch you!

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2757794]I encountered a young looking white girl who grabbed my arm. Usually, I don't allow hookers to touch me before I know them but I was in a relaxed frame of mind[/QUOTE]Can't be in those streets with a relaxed frame of mind. There are sharks in the water and you have the bait on you. Remember the last guy that reported being at the clock tower and chicks coming up on him and stole his money. Then there was the guy that got his necklace snatched. DON'T let people come up on you! Keep your head on a swivel in the street.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2757835]Can't be in those streets with a relaxed frame of mind. There are sharks in the water and you have the bait on you. Remember the last guy that reported being at the clock tower and chicks coming up on him and stole his money. Then there was the guy that got his necklace snatched. DON'T let people come up on you! Keep your head on a swivel in the street.[/QUOTE]Usually do and a lesson learned. Fortunately, I knew exactly their agenda and incurred no personal loss but made this report to let fellow compatriots know that the Clocktower is not as tranquil as it may appear. It's particularly daunting on the street in front of the plaza. There are a lot more mischief makers there then in years past. I think because police are trying to keep the plaza clear a lot of help that is as they just moved a bit.

I am still wondering if the first chick who approached me was trying to distract me and was in on it

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2757870]Usually do and a lesson learned. Fortunately, I knew exactly their agenda and incurred no personal loss but made this report to let fellow compatriots know that the Clocktower is not as tranquil as it may appear. It's particularly daunting on the street in front of the plaza. There are a lot more mischief makers there then in years past. I think because police are trying to keep the plaza clear a lot of help that is as they just moved a bit.

I am still wondering if the first chick who approached me was trying to distract me and was in on it[/QUOTE]Assume they are all in it.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2757794]Last night around 9:45 I decided to walk to Clocktower and watch the mid evening activity since it was Halloween. There was not too much going on except a few random families with their children, the normal assortment of wayward hookers, and the usual suspects. After a 1/2 hour, I left my station and started the walk back to my hotel. Turning the corner on the street towards Delirium, I encountered a young looking white girl who grabbed my arm. Usually, I don't allow hookers to touch me before I know them but I was in a relaxed frame of mind and told her after a few seconds she was too young. I estimated she could have been 16 or 17 yo. Nevertheless, she persisted in wrapping her hand around my forearm. While I was thinking of how to divest her from my arm, several seconds later I encountered 5 mulatto women and one got down on her knees in front of me stimulating oral sex while the others circled me. Within seconds, they swarmed me on all sides, grabbing and poking me and trying repeatedly to unzip my pockets. I felt one woman with her hand on my phone while another tried to pick my wallet in my other pocket.

I spun around to escape both pushing them off me. I was so angry that I hit one women in the stomach who claimed it was not her but another chick who was attempting to steal my phone. Then she retaliated by hitting me a glancing blow with her pocketbook. This entire incident occurred all in the space of a minute in full view of other pedestrians as I was walking in middle of streets just steps from the porticos of the Clocktower. Finally when I yelled "ladrones", they backed off.

A minute later, I spoke to a cop at the next intersection and pointed out where they were but he was too lazy to walk two minutes to investigate. Not sure what happened to the under aged gal or if she was part of this assault but because of their different skin colors, I kind of doubt it. Needless to say, it speaks to the brazenness of these women as such an event would not have happened in years past that close to the Clocktower at that early an hour.

Be careful out there and don't let them touch you![/QUOTE]I'd put all my money in my shoes and have nothing else on me apart from my clothes and cop as much feels as possible.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2758140]I'd put all my money in my shoes and have nothing else on me apart from my clothes and cop as much feels as possible.[/QUOTE]The shoes is a great idea. I do that when I'm in the sketchier areas of Medellin and Cali or hitting their strip clubs.

[QUOTE=Jan0171;2757648]Thanks. Will check out CC. Might be tough to land semi-pros without speaking Spanish now that I think about it. So prepagos maybe the way to go.[/QUOTE]If you're white and / or good looking, it won't be. They will chat you up with Google Translate. Usually they ask for your instagram first anyway.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2758250]The shoes is a great idea. I do that when I'm in the sketchier areas of Medellin and Cali or hitting their strip clubs.[/QUOTE]And your phone? It's unfortunate that a great city like Cartagenavis now being run by thugs and scammers. They have always been here but not as bold as now. I think the city deacons made a mistake chasing them from the plaza. At least there, you know where they are. Used to be I would not see a soul after walking the first block towards Plaza Madrid. Now, it fells like running the gauntlet.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2758346]And your phone? It's unfortunate that a great city like Cartagenavis now being run by thugs and scammers. They have always been here but not as bold as now. I think the city deacons made a mistake chasing them from the plaza. At least there, you know where they are. Used to be I would not see a soul after walking the first block towards Plaza Madrid. Now, it fells like running the gauntlet.[/QUOTE]Is it more dangerous than El Centro in Medellin?

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2758608]Is it more dangerous than El Centro in Medellin?[/QUOTE]I do not know as have not been in MDE in many years. I would think it's more dangerous over there, especially in terms of violent crime. InCartagena, it's more harassment, pickpocketing, stealing and scamming.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2758608]Is it more dangerous than El Centro in Medellin?[/QUOTE]Not even close. Just don't wander around Centro so late. Go straight to the clubs, grab the chica, and go home. Don't dawdle. In fact, if you stay out of Centro and play online or try pick ups in Getsemani with the non-pros and semis, you won't have these problems at all. I was there end of August to early September and had no trouble whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2755703]I arrived Saturday afternoon and outside the airport, the streets were wet with some puddles so it must have rained right before my plane landed. However, there has been no appreciable rain since though it has been more cloudy than not. ...........................[/QUOTE]You still out there?

All my chicas mad they can't go anywhere, some serious flooding in Centro right now.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2758641]Not even close. Just don't wander around Centro so late. Go straight to the clubs, grab the chica, and go home. Don't dawdle. In fact, if you stay out of Centro and play online or try pick ups in Getsemani with the non-pros and semis, you won't have these problems at all. I was there end of August to early September and had no trouble whatsoever.[/QUOTE]Same here, I stuck to Getsemani and barely went to Centro. To me, Getsemani had better restaurants anyway and was not as crowded.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2757870]Usually do and a lesson learned. Fortunately, I knew exactly their agenda and incurred no personal loss but made this report to let fellow compatriots know that the Clocktower is not as tranquil as it may appear. It's particularly daunting on the street in front of the plaza. There are a lot more mischief makers there then in years past. I think because police are trying to keep the plaza clear a lot of help that is as they just moved a bit.

I am still wondering if the first chick who approached me was trying to distract me and was in on it[/QUOTE]Its bad and the crime is also in broad daylight too. During my recent 2 weeks I was in Cartegena one of my chicas was robbed 3 times. First she said she hopped off a moto taxi and when she turned around the taxi came back and snatched her bag, she said she had her phone in her bra so they didn't get that (her fault because I gave her money to take a car but she was trying to be cheap and took a moto instead). Second she said she was walking home and some guy approached her and told her give up her phone or they will mess up her face so she gave them the phone. So now she's using a borrowed phone. Then my last day there she said two guys on a bike they took her purse when she was waiting to cross the street.

I keep telling my chicas that I never see this crime when I'm there therefore it seems safe to me, but my little experience of 3 months spread out during the year cannot equal to their experience living there full time so I just have to take their word for it that Cartegena is not as safe as everyone thinks.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2759290]Same here, I stuck to Getsemani and barely went to Centro. To me, Getsemani had better restaurants anyway and was not as crowded.

Its bad and the crime is also in broad daylight too. During my recent 2 weeks I was in Cartegena one of my chicas was robbed 3 times. First she said she hopped off a moto taxi and when she turned around the taxi came back and snatched her bag, she said she had her phone in her bra so they didn't get that (her fault because I gave her money to take a car but she was trying to be cheap and took a moto instead). Second she said she was walking home and some guy approached her and told her give up her phone or they will mess up her face so she gave them the phone. So now she's using a borrowed phone. Then my last day there she said two guys on a bike they took her purse when she was waiting to cross the street.

I keep telling my chicas that I never see this crime when I'm there therefore it seems safe to me, but my little experience of 3 months spread out during the year cannot equal to their experience living there full time so I just have to take their word for it that Cartegena is not as safe as everyone thinks.[/QUOTE]Getsmani has good restaurants and tasty and cheap. I never felt scared and nobody robbed me and my girl when walking back to Marriott hotel through the gap in the wall middle of the night. We both felt like leisurely romantic walk.

Maybe the thief's think that girls purse is full of money they earned as a prostitute. Besides unlike other places girls in Cartagena flash their fancy purse. I remember my Colombian girl in Costa Rica stuffing the money in her undies. When asked why she said there are many thieves there who snatch purse from women. Many a time they threaten the girl like what happened to your girl. Next time tell your girl to stuff the money in her undies. Thieves are after money and not into causing bodily harm.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2759290]
I keep telling my chicas that I never see this crime when I'm there therefore it seems safe to me, but my little experience of 3 months spread out during the year cannot equal to their experience living there full time so I just have to take their word for it that Cartegena is not as safe as everyone thinks.[/QUOTE]Cartagena for the chicas is not as safe because they do not live downtown. If the girl is from Cartagena, chances are she lives east of barrio Armenia. If she's not, then likely in the neighborhoods just east of Manga in El Bosque. During the day, El Bosque is actually pretty safe. At night, it gets sketch, but not terribly so. Under no circumstances should anyone reading this venture east of Armenia. There's nothing there, and you will get robbed. If your chica lived downtown (Centro, Getsemani, Manga, or Bocagrande / Castillogrande), she would have much the same experience as we all do.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2759290]Then my last day there she said two guys on a bike they took her purse when she was waiting to cross the street.[/QUOTE]Yet chicks in Latin America continue carrying purses.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2759312]Maybe the thief's think that girls purse is full of money they earned as a prostitute. Besides unlike other places girls in Cartagena flash their fancy purse.[/QUOTE]LOL. No. I know chicks all over Latin America that have gotten robbed of their purses. Has nothing to do with being a hooker or the purse being fancy.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2759339]Cartagena for the chicas is not as safe because they do not live downtown. If the girl is from Cartagena, chances are she lives east of barrio Armenia. If she's not, then likely in the neighborhoods just east of Manga in El Bosque. During the day, El Bosque is actually pretty safe. At night, it gets sketch, but not terribly so. Under no circumstances should anyone reading this venture east of Armenia. There's nothing there, and you will get robbed. If your chica lived downtown (Centro, Getsemani, Manga, or Bocagrande / Castillogrande), she would have much the same experience as we all do.[/QUOTE]My cutoff is Caribe Plaza, I don't go anywhere further, once I see too many 2 men on a motorcycle I'm going back to Centro jajaja.

The closest chica I have lives in El Bosque she's usually safe. But the ones that always get into trouble are coming from La Esperanza or San Fernando or way out there. I even have two coming from way up in Bayucna, so far no problems with them as they have personal drivers that drop them off and pick them up.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2757794]Last night around 9:45 I decided to walk to Clocktower and watch the mid evening activity since it was Halloween. There was not too much going on except a few random families with their children, the normal assortment of wayward hookers, and the usual suspects. After a 1/2 hour, I left my station and started the walk back to my hotel. Turning the corner on the street towards Delirium, I encountered a young looking white girl who grabbed my arm. Usually, I don't allow hookers to touch me before I know them but I was in a relaxed frame of mind and told her after a few seconds she was too young. I estimated she could have been 16 or 17 yo. Nevertheless, she persisted in wrapping her hand around my forearm. While I was thinking of how to divest her from my arm, several seconds later I encountered 5 mulatto women and one got down on her knees in front of me stimulating oral sex while the others circled me. Within seconds, they swarmed me on all sides, grabbing and poking me and trying repeatedly to unzip my pockets. I felt one woman with her hand on my phone while another tried to pick my wallet in my other pocket.

I spun around to escape both pushing them off me. I was so angry that I hit one women in the stomach who claimed it was not her but another chick who was attempting to steal my phone. Then she retaliated by hitting me a glancing blow with her pocketbook. This entire incident occurred all in the space of a minute in full view of other pedestrians as I was walking in middle of streets just steps from the porticos of the Clocktower. Finally when I yelled "ladrones", they backed off.
[/QUOTE]I had something like this happen about a block from the Hotel Del Rey in Costa Rica. A group of girls, 4-5 walked toward me on the sidewalk and very quickly they put their hands in my front pockets, pulling my money out of the pockets onto the sidewalk. I quickly grabbed my money and ran away. Only took one second. First, be careful if you walk alone. Try to put your money somewhere other than your pockets. Be ready to run like heck. No weapons, just a group of young girls about 17-18 years old.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2759441]I had something like this happen about a block from the Hotel Del Rey in Costa Rica. A group of girls, 4-5 walked toward me on the sidewalk and very quickly they put their hands in my front pockets, pulling my money out of the pockets onto the sidewalk. I quickly grabbed my money and ran away. Only took one second. First, be careful if you walk alone. Try to put your money somewhere other than your pockets. Be ready to run like heck. No weapons, just a group of young girls about 17-18 years old.[/QUOTE]How about trying this. Walk around with no underwear after cutting out the pockets of your trousers. When the girls put their hands in your pockets they get to play with your junk. Free semi-hand jobs, pleasure for you, fun for the girls with lots of laughter.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2759515]How about trying this. Walk around with no underwear after cutting out the pockets of your trousers. When the girls put their hands in your pockets they get to play with your junk. Free semi-hand jobs, pleasure for you, fun for the girls with lots of laughter.[/QUOTE]I'll just walk around with my dick hanging out. Maybe get a BJ. Easier! LOL.

Hello all,

This will be my second trip to Cartagena as I went last year around this time. I added a review on how my trip went as well. As always thanks for the info on this great city. I was wondering if anyone had great leads on Chica Friendly AirBNB's. I'm booked at a Hotel but I'm thinking that an AirBNB would make the trip a whole lot better. Thank you in advance. Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2759312]Getsmani has good restaurants and tasty and cheap. I never felt scared and nobody robbed me and my girl when walking back to Marriott hotel through the gap in the wall middle of the night. We both felt like leisurely romantic walk.

Maybe the thief's think that girls purse is full of money they earned as a prostitute. Besides unlike other places girls in Cartagena flash their fancy purse. I remember my Colombian girl in Costa Rica stuffing the money in her undies. When asked why she said there are many thieves there who snatch purse from women. Many a time they threaten the girl like what happened to your girl. Next time tell your girl to stuff the money in her undies. Thieves are after money and not into causing bodily harm.[/QUOTE]That's the thing, my girls don't keep allot of money in their bag. Many times I pay them and they just toss the money in their bag, but when they are leaving, they will put the majority of the money in their bra (if they are wearing one) and just leave enough money in the purse for the taxi.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2759357]Yet chicks in Latin America continue carrying purses.[/QUOTE]I have no idea why they carry it. The most I've seen them take out of it was lip moisturizer, tampons, a phone charger, wet wipes, and makeup. Most of them keep their phones in the waist of their pants / skirt chapidora style.

[QUOTE=WorldWideWes;2759607]Hello all,

This will be my second trip to Cartagena as I went last year around this time. I added a review on how my trip went as well. As always thanks for the info on this great city. I was wondering if anyone had great leads on Chica Friendly AirBNB's. I'm booked at a Hotel but I'm thinking that an AirBNB would make the trip a whole lot better. Thank you in advance. Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]How many people?

How much are you willing to spend per night?

What is your criteria? (hot water important?, security?

What location you're looking for? (Boca Grande, el laguito, Getsemani, Centro) Getsemani will be the ones with no security and private pools or jacuzzi. Centro too but not all.

Let me know and ill send you some links.

I know many properties most are with a private rooftop pool or jacuzzi, on my last trip I realized many of them were "turned off" on Airbnb and many of them now have new rules due to the stupid things that's been happening recently.

Weather is awful. She has not left our place in 2 days. She told me streets are flooded. Weather forecast is for more and more rain. Streets there are very prone to flooding. She told me much of Bocagrande is closed. Much less rain in December thank God.

Thanks for the reply Nypher. I especially love your posts for Cartagena. It was literally most of your post that made my trip amazing last year. As far as this upcoming trip. Looking for minimum 2 bedroom 2 bathroom hot water / security are important. I'the prefer to be in Centro or not too.

Far from it. Budget for lodging shouldn't exceed 350 per night.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2759661]How many people?

How much are you willing to spend per night?

What is your criteria? (hot water important?, security?

What location you're looking for? (Boca Grande, el laguito, Getsemani, Centro) Getsemani will be the ones with no security and private pools or jacuzzi. Centro too but not all.

Let me know and ill send you some links.

I know many properties most are with a private rooftop pool or jacuzzi, on my last trip I realized many of them were "turned off" on Airbnb and many of them now have new rules due to the stupid things that's been happening recently.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the reply and your continued contributions to the forum. I'm interested in a 2 bed 2 bath minimum. Essentials are hot water, kitchen, private pool, and security. Centro would be ideal since I don't want to be too far from shops, restaurants, and the action. $275 for lodging per day would be the max. Hope to hear from you soon.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2759661]How many people?

How much are you willing to spend per night?

What is your criteria? (hot water important?, security?

What location you're looking for? (Boca Grande, el laguito, Getsemani, Centro) Getsemani will be the ones with no security and private pools or jacuzzi. Centro too but not all.

Let me know and ill send you some links.

I know many properties most are with a private rooftop pool or jacuzzi, on my last trip I realized many of them were "turned off" on Airbnb and many of them now have new rules due to the stupid things that's been happening recently.[/QUOTE]

I was in Cartagena for 3 nights during a 7 day trip to Colombia.

Day 1.

First off, the weather was absolutely perfect the whole time I was there. The weather app said rain every day but it didn't rain once, this was a few days before Halloween. I got into Cartagena around 5 pm from Bogota, I was staying at the be Haus Hotel in El Centro. The room had a balcony with a jacuzzi. The hotel was one block from exito, stocked up, and headed out to hunt at 7 pm. Big mistake, it was dead, nothing was happening, a few misplaced uggos around the clocktower. By 8:30 it started to pickup, but I was sweating a second ocean so I went back for a quick shower.

9 pm it was absolutely packed with WGs. I've never seen so many 4's and 5's, or so it seemed. It was a weird vibe, like I would have sex with any of these women, but they were all so mediocre standing next to each other I was waiting for a jewel to shine through. I was basically doing laps from La Dolce Vita to the clocktower. The guys would let me into the clubs to look, but it was garbage. One side was packed with Americans with some amazing girls at their tables, while the other side with the bar was a looooong line of rejects. I don't think doing laps was the right thing to do though, the clocktower had the ugliest women, and I don't think many WGs walk to the clubs, I saw many get dropped off right in front. I didn't feel like spending $100-$200 at the clubs just to be able to wait for a prize to walk through.

I went into a supermarket at one point, I was about to buy a bag of ice, but saw a bag tore open in the freezer, quickly grabbed a ball of ice and left. I was walking around rubbing the ice on myself, looking like an absolute mess until 11 pm, when through a thick crowd two chicitas emerged. It was sudden and startling, she was like 6 inches from my face, and then we smiled at each other and that sealed the deal. Cute little braced faced (legal) teeny bopper named Sophie. Her and her friend wanted 800 k for the night but I was not interested in her friend. Ended up at 400 k for the night. We stopped by a restaurant where we sat on a balcony overlooking a park. There I witnessed a coche driver getting dragged out of his carriage by the police, massive crowd around him and he was getting slapped around, a lot of shouting. Sorry the details couldn't be better, but I was honestly too captivated with this chicita and her big brown eyes. Had a couple of drinks, walked back to my hotel, had a good sex session, we went out to the jacuzzi and smoked a joint, then her attitude changed. When will I learn, nobody wants to work high. Went back in for a second shot halfway through cowgirl she gets off, gives me this look and says you finish yourself off. I was livid. Held her down, let her starfish, and did all the work, but I wasn't going to jerk myself off. Finished and told her to gtfo, this was at like 3 am. When will I learn these overnights never work, better to negotiate a good price for 2-3 hours.

Day 2.

Woke up and went to Uraku Spa the next morning. I was looking for a good, upscale clean massage and this place was right across the street from my hotel. Someone here mentioned walking past this place and wondering if they do extras, DEFINITELY NOT, not that kind of place, but I needed a pro massage and this place was great, although overpriced 180 k+20 k tip. When nighttime rolled in, I again started too early around 8 pm, it was dead. This was Thursday night and it was a lot quieter than the night before, even when 9 pm rolled around, the talent was relatively sparse so I went into the clocktower pub in the square to kill some time and watch the Bucs embarrass themselves. Met a cool guy from Wisconsin. By the time the game ended I was getting worried, it was like 10:30 and the streets were still empty. Same, ugly reject standing by the statue waiting for someone drunk enough to pick them up. Walked into the clubs, loud, packed, even if there was talent, I wouldn't be able to properly check it out by briefly walking through. I found a cute girl standing outside the club, tried to talk to her, she wanted 1. 500.000 for 2 hours. Absolutely ridiculous, got her number, offered 900 k 30 min later (I was starting to panic I was going to have blue balls for the night), and she never texted me back. Who is paying her 1.5 M? Talked to a couple more girls who wanted ridiculous sums like $200 USD for 1 hour. I was starting to feel pretty disgusted about the whole thing when I came across a beautiful Afro-Latina from Cali by the name of Cielo.

What one would consider light skinned in the US, with fake green lenses and beautiful freckles across her face. Cali Markle I would call her. After some tense negotiating, she rolled her eyes and said yes to 200 k for 1 hour. Walked back to my place, the guy at the reception gave me the BIGGEST grin, I think he liked her too. I generally like detailing the hunt not the sex, I'm not an adult novelist. She put on a show, where I proceeded to nut 3 times in just over an hour. She was great, I gave her 250 k, and called it a night, except I forgot I had not eaten all day. My main criticism of Cartagena is that there are NO late night food delivery options, ended up waiting like 40 minutes for a burger and fries from rappi, I got a meal for the front desk guy too.

Day 3.

Called Cielo and arranged to go to the beach. I had a reservation at the Ermita but I liked be Haus so much I didn't leave. But me and Cielo did go to the Ermita at like 3 pm. We fucked in the room before going up to the rooftop pool cabana area. It was super chill, rubbed oil on each other, could feel every guy's jealousy there. Had some drinks, talked, then went back to the room for one more round. Checked out to the bemusement of the front desk staff. I guess they are not used to many people using their 5-star hotel as a quick time brothel. We went to the small playa across the road, which I learned was very crappy, but we sat on a log, held each other and watched the sunset.

I had to go pick up some laundry (I love Cartagena, you literally just knock on the door of some casa, a lady opens up, invites you into her living room, and takes your laundry.) then I took Cielo to San Nicolas restaurant in Getsemani. Great place. We went back to be Haus where we had 2 more rounds. We both expressed the desire to be done by 9, we finished up around 9:30. She didn't specify how much, I gave her 550 k. Walked her downstairs where I thought we were going to part ways, but we ended up walking around El Centro and sitting at a park bench for like an hour. I'm only on unit 2 of duolingo but I was doing pretty good between my knowledge and google translate. Ended up giving her a kiss goodnight around 10:30 and walked to Getsemani to join my Wisconsin friend I met the other night.

It was Friday night and Getsemani was absolutely packed. Very lively, people doing salsa in the streets. Plus the beers were like 5 k instead of 20 k across the wall. Lot of backpackers and broke, young tourists staying in hostels. I was starting to feel the excitement of the civilian hunt again. We went to a few clubs, tried our shot with pretty every civilian with no success. Oh now I remember why I just pay for it. Ended up asking a hot Venezuelan to dance, and we did for like 30 min, hot grinding, salsa, everything, before she finally asked for money. Honestly, I would have done it if I was not already sexually satisfied, this is way better than trying to awkwardly ask for prices in the middle of the street, but I was either going free or going home. I went home around 2 am, but Getsemani was wild, definitely will be spending more time here next visit.

Before going home though I was accosted by dozens of desperate WGs trying to make their night. I entertained some, talking and practicing your negotiation skills is free. A really drunk girl walked up to me swearing about venezuelans and how colombians are much prettier (I'm guessing she found a customer but got cucked by a prettier Venezuelan), she 'made' me feel her natural tits, she was alright honestly, maybe a 6. She proceeded to quote me 1 million for an erotic massage. I tried to contain my laughter. That's exactly what I want to do, spend $200 for some punch drunk working girl to knead for 5 minutes before passing out / throwing up on top of me. I said 400 k, she said yes, I ran away, and pulled my calf in the process. Who is the genius that decided leaving all those manholes open is a great idea?

Total spend on chicas 400+250+550=1. 200.000 COP or $250 for 3 nights.

BTW who is this Big Bunny fellow? I swear every girl I brought back was playing his music at my hotel.

[QUOTE=JerryTheGreat;2760281]I was in Cartagena for 3 nights during a 7 day trip to Colombia.


Total spend on chicas 400+250+550=1. 200.000 COP or $250 for 3 nights.

BTW who is this Big Bunny fellow? I swear every girl I brought back was playing his music at my hotel.[/QUOTE]Yes, girls are asking for very high numbers and people are paying those high numbers which is why they think they are worth that much. If she makes that in 1. 500.000. 00 COP in one night she doesn't have to work for about 3 months. Its crazy, because allot of my girls who came to see me have iPhone 12 Pro Max which is about $1000 here but there around 6.000.000. 00 COP so they are getting paid. Usually, I use them to break the green 100 K COP bills and just take their 50 K COP bills they earned the prior night.

The Bad Bunny thing is all over Latin America. Every time I go they are ballasting another one of his songs in the club or in the apartment. On my last trip it was non stop Efecto, Moscow Mule, Titi Me Pregunto (aka the VIP song), fucked up that now I'm back stateside every time I hear the songs I flash back to those crazy sex sessions.

Then there are some of my barrio chicks that blast Doja Kat, that WAP song, and Cardi be. They know all the lyrics to the songs in English and sing the song perfectly with the song but they don't speak any sort of English. Its an ongoing joke I have with them every time I they come over and they start blasting the music jajaja.

[QUOTE=WorldWideWes;2760187]Thanks for the reply and your continued contributions to the forum. I'm interested in a 2 bed 2 bath minimum. Essentials are hot water, kitchen, private pool, and security. Centro would be ideal since I don't want to be too far from shops, restaurants, and the action. $275 for lodging per day would be the max. Hope to hear from you soon.[/QUOTE]I know two that fits that price point, one is right next to Delirium the other is further up closer to the wall.

I know two others but no security and the price will be about $450 a night, but streaming hot water and private pool.

You need PM enables so I can send you the listings to see if they are available for your stay.

Hopefully you are not going anytime soon as its the rainy season and my chicas keep telling me its lots of floods and blocked roads with water so many girls are not going out. Boca Grande and El Laguito is at sea level so all of that is under water when it rains.

[QUOTE=JerryTheGreat;2760281]I was in Cartagena for 3 nights during a 7 day trip to Colombia.

[/QUOTE]Some pics of Cielo, I tried to get myself out as best as I can, I don't think I emphasized enough how freakin' cute she was.

[QUOTE=JerryTheGreat;2760642]Some pics of Cielo, I tried to get myself out as best as I can, I don't think I emphasized enough how freakin' cute she was.[/QUOTE]Wow Jerry, Congrats. Terrific memories. Cute girl is an understatement. I find them on SA like that but not many and not cheap. Others have posted uninviting reviews about things in Cartagena so I was putting it off and doing Medellin / Bogota starting Thanksgiving. The humidity also bothers me but sounds like after 10-11 pm is the best time. I still want to scuba dive so after reading your posting. In only 3 nights? I guess I can do all 3 cities in my 3 week trip. Rethinking hotels etc. Now.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2760082]Weather is awful. She has not left our place in 2 days. She told me streets are flooded. Weather forecast is for more and more rain. Streets there are very prone to flooding. She told me much of Bocagrande is closed. Much less rain in December thank God.[/QUOTE]I will be in Medellin for T Day. Then probably Cartagena around December 1 for 4-5 days. I am searching for an adult doctor who has the magic love potion which makes a man secret gobs of sperm. LOL YOU prescribed V-8 and XYZTravel prescribed Pygeun & Lecithin. "take a handful with lots of water" in addition I found Semapro on Amazon. What's a guy to do?

[QUOTE=JerryTheGreat;2760281]I was in Cartagena for 3 nights during a 7 day trip to Colombia..[/QUOTE]Great trip report. You are a good writer. Looking forward to reading more of your reports.

Regarding learning Spanish, there are many beginner / intermediate friendly youtube channels with short stories that help you improve with better context than Duolingo. I have been learning of and on since I started visiting Mexico about 5 years ago, I think the biggest hurdle to get over is to be able to understand natives (especially Mexicans, they speak so fast), for that listening to short stories with subtitles help a lot to practice listening ability.

And if you are really motivated, online lessons over Zoom start around $8-10/ hour for Mexico and Colombia based tutors.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2761187]I will be in Medellin for T Day. Then probably Cartagena around December 1 for 4-5 days. I am searching for an adult doctor who has the magic love potion which makes a man secret gobs of sperm. LOL YOU prescribed V-8 and XYZTravel prescribed Pygeun & Lecithin. "take a handful with lots of water" in addition I found Semapro on Amazon. What's a guy to do?[/QUOTE]All of the above? But I assume no responsibility if a car hits you and you pop like a white zit.

I will be in Cartagena from December 22 to 25. It would be cool if you were around then.

[QUOTE=JerryTheGreat;2760642]Some pics of Cielo, I tried to get myself out as best as I can, I don't think I emphasized enough how freakin' cute she was.[/QUOTE]That is one stunning lady.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2761180]Wow Jerry, Congrats. Terrific memories. Cute girl is an understatement. I find them on SA like that but not many and not cheap. Others have posted uninviting reviews about things in Cartagena so I was putting it off and doing Medellin / Bogota starting Thanksgiving. The humidity also bothers me but sounds like after 10-11 pm is the best time. I still want to scuba dive so after reading your posting. In only 3 nights? I guess I can do all 3 cities in my 3 week trip. Rethinking hotels etc. Now.[/QUOTE]I did leave out some unsavory things. My first night I was trying to buy a meat skewer when the rappers showed up. Ignored them. Then one of them touched my shoes and said something about originals (they were new white adidas originals), I stepped back, pushed the guy away, and squared up (even though he was twice my size). Starting shouting 'don't touch' 'back the f** up' real loud a few times, they made some insulting comments and walked away, I was not bothered again by rappers during the rest of my stay. El Centro is deceivingly small, and I believe they are very organized and connected, go over the top aggro once, and I think they all get the message. As for the non-stop 'Hey bro, what jew looking for?' (which is a very anti-semitic question) I found that 'Senor, yo busco tranquillo' gets them off the first time vs. The 15 x no gracias. Also, I had to shave my mustache I had been growing for over a year because of the non-stop 'hey Pablo' , 'hey escobar I see jew'.

As for the weather, I am from a cold, dry city so I also struggled with Cartagena's weather. Very similar to Miami. I was sweating like an animal, rubbing pieces of ice on my self, complete mess. The girls were customary to this, and were unfazed. Plus I got in the habit of taking a shower before and after sex anyway.

[QUOTE=TouristInLust;2761202]Great trip report. You are a good writer. Looking forward to reading more of your reports.[/QUOTE]Thanks, man! Will be in Dubai Dec 1 and back in Colombia at the end of January, but I want to do Medellin this time.

First of all thanks a lot to everybody contributing info here, this is really helpful!

I have been travelling a couple of time to Thailand and Philippines and have had really amazing times over there. For a couple of reasons now I am coming first time to South America / Colombia. It appears to be a much bigger hassle getting reasonable flights (from my destination in Europe at least) as well as a guest-friendly accommodation and women are more pricey plus the security issues. So I hope it will be worth it.

Flights are fixed already (5th to 22nd of December). I just want to share with you a contradictory info to what I have read here in the forum. As I got tired of writing to dozens of Airbnb's regarding their guest policy and running out of time on top I decided to just book the highly recommended Ermita Cartagena Hotel (a Tribute Portfolio Hotel). Actually a bit above my price range, but I thought it will save me a lot of trouble and it actually looks pretty nice. Just to be on the safe side I wrote an email to the front desk and asked about their guest policy. To my surprise this was their anser:

"You are allowed to bring a different female guest in the days of your stay. Nevertheless, for each occasion you must pay $360.000 COP. "

I was really surprised. Maybe they have changed their policy just recently or they don't execute this rule consitently. However, I surely will not take the risk.

First of all thanks a lot to everybody contributing info here, this is really helpful!

I have been travelling a couple of time to Thailand and Philippines and have had really amazing times over there. For a couple of reasons now I am coming first time to South America / Colombia. It appears to be a much bigger hassle getting reasonable flights (from my destination in Europe at least) as well as a guest-friendly accommodation and women are more pricey plus the security issues. So I hope it will be worth it.

Flights are fixed already (5th to 22nd of December). I just want to share with you a contradictory info to what I have read here in the forum. As I got tired of writing to dozens of Airbnb's regarding their guest policy and running out of time on top I decided to just book the highly recommended Ermita Cartagena Hotel (a Tribute Portfolio Hotel). Actually a bit above my price range, but I thought it will save me a lot of trouble and it actually looks pretty nice. Just to be on the safe side I wrote an email to the front desk and asked about their guest policy. To my surprise this was their anser:

"You are allowed to bring a different female guest in the days of your stay. Nevertheless, for each occasion you must pay $360.000 COP. ".

I was really surprised. Maybe they have changed their policy just recently or they don't execute this rule consitently. However, I surely will not take the risk.

[QUOTE=Nordmann;2763027]First of all thanks a lot to everybody contributing info here, this is really helpful!.........................

For a couple of reasons now I am coming first time to South America / Colombia. It appears to be a Just to be on the safe side I wrote an email to the front desk and asked about their guest policy. To my surprise this was their anser:

"You are allowed to bring a different female guest in the days of your stay. Nevertheless, for each occasion you must pay $360.000 COP. ".

I was really surprised. Maybe they have changed their policy just recently or they don't execute this rule consitently. However, I surely will not take the risk.[/QUOTE]So you are essentially paying double every time you bring in a girl because the girl will be around the same price for the hour. If I was in your shoes I would double check if bringing the same girl multiple times would it be a 1-time charge or an additional charge every time she comes.

[QUOTE=Nordmann;2763026]I was really surprised. Maybe they have changed their policy just recently or they don't execute this rule consitently. However, I surely will not take the risk.[/QUOTE]Bobbo123's report from last month also mentioned a 380 k girl fee. I checked in and checked out with my girl, so she was a guest, not a visitor and I was not charged. I would go off the email you got in terms of their visitor policy. The jacuzzi suite at the BHaus hotel was cheaper than the ermita, they were totally cool about chicas, and closer to the action in el centro and getsemani.

I recently stayed at the Ermita for my trip to Cartagena and I was also upset at the visitor policy charge. I thought maybe I could talk my way out of it but the hotel front desk guys are pretty tough. I was able to replace 1 chica for a new one the second night but after that they refused to budge.

On another note my trip was amazing. We were there during the Independence Day festivities and on Friday afternoon the city shutdown the street in front of the Ermita for a carnival. It was jam packed from 3 pm until 7 pm with party revelers. We were able to watch the whole thing from the rooftop. One guy that I struck a conversation with was covered in paint and was stressed due to the fact he got robbed of his wallet and phone. I really felt bad for the guy but I'm sure he'll move a little more cautious and with awareness now.

Other than the visitor charge at Ermita my stay was amazing.

[QUOTE=Nordmann;2763027]First of all thanks a lot to everybody contributing info here, this is really helpful.
I have been travelling a couple of time to Thailand and Philippines and have had really amazing times over there. For a couple of reasons now I am coming first time to South America / Colombia. It appears to be a much bigger hassle getting reasonable flights (from my destination in Europe at least) as well as a guest-friendly accommodation and women are more pricey plus the security issues. So I hope it will be worth it.

Flights are fixed already (5th to 22nd of December). I just want to share with you a contradictory info to what I have read here in the forum. As I got tired of writing to dozens of Airbnb's regarding their guest policy and running out of time on top I decided to just book the highly recommended Ermita Cartagena Hotel (a Tribute Portfolio Hotel). Actually a bit above my price range, but I thought it will save me a lot of trouble and it actually looks pretty nice. Just to be on the safe side I wrote an email to the front desk and asked about their guest policy. To my surprise this was their anser:

"You are allowed to bring a different female guest in the days of your stay. Nevertheless, for each occasion you must pay $360.000 COP. ".

I was really surprised. Maybe they have changed their policy just recently or they don't execute this rule consitently. However, I surely will not take the risk.[/QUOTE]

What are the overnight going rates for ctg these days? I'm assuming hourly is still 200-300?

[QUOTE=Sma202;2764145]What are the overnight going rates for ctg these days? I'm assuming hourly is still 200-300?[/QUOTE]Rates depends on many factors.

My my last trip in October many of my girls in Centro (even the ones I known for years) were now asking for $100 or 400 K pesos for one leche during the day.

I didn't bother taking any new girls overnight so I stuck with my usuals who were 500 K or no charge for the night.

Of course someone can get chicas for lower prices but beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so you may have to be specific on the type of girl you are looking for and prices they were asking.

For example if you like them surgery up with all the fake stuff you will end up paying allot, unless you get them at the last minute when they are desperate or after they been ran through all day / night. Big girls VS in shape ones, I was seeing allot of girls put on some serious weight to the point they were still trying to squeeze into outfits they have no cause in. Then there are the ones with the hood look, the new trend is tattoos all over their body especially chest tattoos.

Then there is the whole Venezuelans are cheaper than Colombians, are you asking for GFE, light or dark, pro BS non pro, 18 year old newbie vs hardened 30 year old, etc.

I know it appears all granular just for the price of a nut, but all this plays into the price.

[QUOTE=Sma202;2764145]What are the overnight going rates for ctg these days? I'm assuming hourly is still 200-300?[/QUOTE]Depends on you and the girl. You will get a huge range if you ask around. I would suggest short timing with the girl to see if she behaves before committing to that.

[QUOTE=Nordmann;2763027]First of all thanks a lot to everybody contributing info here, this is really helpful!

I have been travelling a couple of time to Thailand and Philippines and have had really amazing times over there. For a couple of reasons now I am coming first time to South America / Colombia. It appears to be a much bigger hassle getting reasonable flights (from my destination in Europe at least) as well as a guest-friendly accommodation and women are more pricey plus the security issues. So I hope it will be worth it.

Flights are fixed already (5th to 22nd of December). I just want to share with you a contradictory info to what I have read here in the forum. As I got tired of writing to dozens of Airbnb's regarding their guest policy and running out of time on top I decided to just book the highly recommended Ermita Cartagena Hotel (a Tribute Portfolio Hotel). Actually a bit above my price range, but I thought it will save me a lot of trouble and it actually looks pretty nice. Just to be on the safe side I wrote an email to the front desk and asked about their guest policy. To my surprise this was their anser:

"You are allowed to bring a different female guest in the days of your stay. Nevertheless, for each occasion you must pay $360.000 COP. ".

I was really surprised. Maybe they have changed their policy just recently or they don't execute this rule consitently. However, I surely will not take the risk.[/QUOTE]Ermita hotel was guest friendly with no charge when I went there in May if this year. Girls just have to sign a paper at front desk. I do not know what the paper said. I booked through Marriott because it is supposedly their brand or they own it. I was given a pretty good room on the ground floor with big bathroom, powder room and big bedroom with king bed. Maybe they changed the rules now. When I went it was just after covid and probably they want to be nice to all guests. Maybe word got around and too many mongers were bringing many girls a day. It was approximately $100 per day with breakfast for two. There were some South Americans staying there with family. Maybe they want to attract more such families. But Cartagena hookers dress decent by South American standards where all girls advertise their body and nobody would know unlike many other parts of the world.

I liked the quiet location across the beach and walking distance to walled city and clock tower. There were many locals selling food nearby tasty and dirt cheap. Area seemed to cater to locals with fishermen selling their catch on the beach. I walked all hours and never felt threatened. For me the trip was on my bucket list but not necessarily for mongering. Mongering for me best is Southeast Asia especially Philippines. But I had some fun in Cartagena. Fellow board member thanks to him helped me I couldn't partake because I was not into that girl. She was all business which I do not like.

Wrapping a good week in Cartagena! On the beach all day, salsa bars at night. Only hung with chicas I already know. No new chicas.

Lots of stories of drugging and robberies by chicas. Even 2 guys who live here got hit. A guy in my building got drunk and a chica walked out with his phone and some cash. They say the police aren't doing much about it.

So play safe guys!

Centro is legitimately dangerous now. The influx of American money has attracted the scammers and thrives and they are going crazy in the city walls. Weirdly, the walk to Getsemani is actually pretty quiet. Unless it's for dinner or the clubs, there's no reason to be walking outside after 10 PM within the walls.

I was assaulted by about five chicks who surrounded me fairly early one evening about a month ago. They were all hanging out in front of the street leading from the reloj plaza towards Plaza Madrid. Wrote a report about it at the time. Cartagena has lost its charm as far as I am concerned. In the end, nothing bad happened to me as I punched one of the girls in her stomach as she attempted to grab my phone or wallet from my pocket. They backed off after that. And that's quite the handle you have, Mr. Warbeck! Yes, I also found the walk to Getesamani pleasant with no hassles until you reach Reloj.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2766379]Centro is legitimately dangerous now. The influx of American money has attracted the scammers and thrives and they are going crazy in the city walls. Weirdly, the walk to Getsemani is actually pretty quiet. Unless it's for dinner or the clubs, there's no reason to be walking outside after 10 PM within the walls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2766379]Centro is legitimately dangerous now. The influx of American money has attracted the scammers and thrives and they are going crazy in the city walls. Weirdly, the walk to Getsemani is actually pretty quiet. Unless it's for dinner or the clubs, there's no reason to be walking outside after 10 PM within the walls.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Tomasb;2766409]I was assaulted by about five chicks who surrounded me fairly early one evening about a month ago. They were all hanging out in front of the street leading from the reloj plaza towards Plaza Madrid. Wrote a report about it at the time. Cartagena has lost its charm as far as I am concerned. In the end, nothing bad happened to me as I punched one of the girls in her stomach as she attempted to grab my phone or wallet from my pocket. They backed off after that. And that's quite the handle you have, Mr. Warbeck! Yes, I also found the walk to Getesamani pleasant with no hassles until you reach Reloj.[/QUOTE]So true, after years of visits to Cartagena for both travel fun and playtime with the chicas, I still spend weeks / months on the coast and do this a few times each year BUT I have zero interest in any chica there, zero, just too much hassle and risk and expense and I have no patience for dealing with all the nonsense, no thanks.

The Tall Man.

It's not the cartgeneras that's the problem. It's the ladies that come from outside and the Venezuelans. I don't frequent the prepago scene much at all anymore, so I stick to meeting regular costeñas, and they are lovely. Try chatting up the girls at a restaurant or store. Or try picking them up at the clubs in Getsemani. You will find some semi pros there who are a lot less business like.

[QUOTE=BrotherP;2765593]Wrapping a good week in Cartagena! On the beach all day, salsa bars at night. Only hung with chicas I already know. No new chicas.

Lots of stories of drugging and robberies by chicas. Even 2 guys who live here got hit. A guy in my building got drunk and a chica walked out with his phone and some cash. They say the police aren't doing much about it.

So play safe guys![/QUOTE]If you are staying somewhere with a security guy up front or required sign in for guests, I assume that's pretty safe right? Unlikely to get set up or drugged (unless security guy is in on the action I guess)?

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;2766820]If you are staying somewhere with a security guy up front or required sign in for guests, I assume that's pretty safe right? Unlikely to get set up or drugged (unless security guy is in on the action I guess)?[/QUOTE]Not exactly.

This is not like Thailand.

Even if the girl signs in, or leave her ID at the front desk, in many places the chica can just walk out or pick up the ID and leave. Most security do not call the gringo to make sure he gives the OK to let her leave or have a policy where the chica cannot get her ID back unless the gringo comes to the desk with her. If the girl is Colombian little to nothing will be done.

I've been in many buildings with security, and they just prevent people from coming in, not leaving. The girls just leave, and on the way-out security cut the band off of their wrist. If the gringo was drugged and robbed no one will know until the gringo wakes up, if he wakes up. Then the gringo can file a police report which goes little to nowhere.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2766658]It's not the cartgeneras that's the problem. It's the ladies that come from outside and the Venezuelans. I don't frequent the prepago scene much at all anymore, so I stick to meeting regular costeas, and they are lovely. Try chatting up the girls at a restaurant or store. Or try picking them up at the clubs in Getsemani. You will find some semi pros there who are a lot less business like.[/QUOTE]Paisas seem to everywhere, ; prepagos, webcam, pornstars, dating, models.

Are the difference really so great to the Paisas advantage?

I met a paisa in Medellin once and she had moved to Bogota to "be a 10, here I'm only a 6".

I asked a Colombian friend, and he confirmed, and I think its true since he is costeno, but living in Medellin.

But then now they say that Cartagena is like a magnet.

Girls from all over the country the 9/10's, they go to Cartagena to meet gringos.

You get the costeno style of life, super-relaxed + the majority of alll prepagos of 9/10 quality are working in Cartagena.

Seems what is socially or culturally allowed in one city like Medelllin or Cali is not allowed in Bogota.

If you speak some Spanish, can you ask such a prepago to come to Scandinavia and live here?

Or maybe gringos-extranjeros on vacation in Cartagena already overpay so much so its not a good option for her, to live in Europe?

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;2766820]If you are staying somewhere with a security guy up front or required sign in for guests, I assume that's pretty safe right? Unlikely to get set up or drugged (unless security guy is in on the action I guess)?[/QUOTE]You would think having security would stop these problems but it's not. Security may be in on it. I've heard multiple stories of drugging and robberies where the Chica left the building somehow. I'm also hearing the policía isn't too interested on these cases.

So while I would never stay anywhere without security, it's no guarantee.

Be really careful with any chica you don't know.

[QUOTE=BrotherP;2767051]You would think having security would stop these problems but it's not. Security may be in on it. I've heard multiple stories of drugging and robberies where the Chica left the building somehow. I'm also hearing the polica isn't too interested on these cases.

So while I would never stay anywhere without security, it's no guarantee.

Be really careful with any chica you don't know.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't they have a copy of their ID, and their name from sign-in (which I assume matches ID)? Also, at least it would prevent issues where a crew comes in and cleans you out. With just 1 girl, if you're careful and watch what you eat / drink and keep your stuff locked away, you're less at risk.

What about insisting on taking selfies with whoever you take home? Do you think this would deter efforts to drug you, since her face is on your phone now. Taking a picture of ID would be safer but less likely to comply, but a selfie is harmless enough?

[QUOTE=AmoMedellin;2767037]Paisas seem to everywhere, ; prepagos, webcam, pornstars, dating, models.

Are the difference really so great to the Paisas advantage?

I met a paisa in Medellin once and she had moved to Bogota to "be a 10, here I'm only a 6".

I asked a Colombian friend, and he confirmed, and I think its true since he is costeno, but living in Medellin.

But then now they say that Cartagena is like a magnet.

Girls from all over the country the 9/10's, they go to Cartagena to meet gringos.

You get the costeno style of life, super-relaxed + the majority of alll prepagos of 9/10 quality are working in Cartagena.

Seems what is socially or culturally allowed in one city like Medelllin or Cali is not allowed in Bogota.

If you speak some Spanish, can you ask such a prepago to come to Scandinavia and live here?

Or maybe gringos-extranjeros on vacation in Cartagena already overpay so much so its not a good option for her, to live in Europe?[/QUOTE]Paisas are prized because they are white skinned and have access to Medellin's terrific plastic surgery industry. Their bodies are by far the best in the country and probably the world.

And why would you want a working girl to live with you? If you want a Colombian wife, why not find a regular girl. If you are the typical Swede or Norwegian, you are probably in a good spot to attract a regular, good looking Colombiana, who will gladly marry you and move to a world class country. Why bother with a ran through working girl, when you can get an early 20's college student with way less mileage?

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;2767092]Wouldn't they have a copy of their ID, and their name from sign-in (which I assume matches ID)? Also, at least it would prevent issues where a crew comes in and cleans you out. With just 1 girl, if you're careful and watch what you eat / drink and keep your stuff locked away, you're less at risk.

What about insisting on taking selfies with whoever you take home? Do you think this would deter efforts to drug you, since her face is on your phone now. Taking a picture of ID would be safer but less likely to comply, but a selfie is harmless enough?[/QUOTE]The guy who had his phone stole, and one of the guys who got drugged and robbed were both in buildings with security. Both chicas were able to leave the building. Also both buildings had copies of the cedul and one guy had pics of the girls. In both cases the polica took the reports, but basically did nothing. The guy who had his phone stole said the polica made some excuse about the cedula probably being fake.

My point is the polica are not supporting anyone who gets jammed up with a bar chica. So be extra careful right now. Play safe gentlemen.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2767138]Paisas are prized because they are white skinned and have access to Medellin's terrific plastic surgery industry. Their bodies are by far the best in the country and probably the world......[/QUOTE]Brazilian women definitely have the best bodies in the world.

[QUOTE=BrotherP;2767302]The guy who had his phone stole, and one of the guys who got drugged and robbed were both in buildings with security. Both chicas were able to leave the building. Also both buildings had copies of the cedul and one guy had pics of the girls. In both cases the polica took the reports, but basically did nothing. The guy who had his phone stole said the polica made some excuse about the cedula probably being fake.

My point is the polica are not supporting anyone who gets jammed up with a bar chica. So be extra careful right now. Play safe gentlemen. [/QUOTE]The polica will take a report but nothing else even an arrest. I work in Colombia 5 months of the year. I stay in a very good building with good security. All the guards have been there working for a while and I ask them, any Chica I come in with can't have their ID back until I come and give it to them because I hand it to them at sign-in. I wrote a report 8-9 months ago when an attempt was made to drug me, but the Chica got the drug beer not me because my little home camera recorder her and I watched it in real time on my phone while I was on my balcony. She drugged herself and passed out, I showed the tape to the guard that morning he woke her up and called polica. The polica watch the tape took a report ask me if she took any of my property, I told them no. They search her for drugs and left the building without her. I gave her 300,000 but she earns every cent last night. Here it is fact the polica will do nothing if a bar Chica tries to jam you up so be careful and safe.

[QUOTE=AmoMedellin;2767037]If you speak some Spanish, can you ask such a prepago to come to Scandinavia and live here?

Or maybe gringos-extranjeros on vacation in Cartagena already overpay so much so its not a good option for her, to live in Europe?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2767138]And why would you want a working girl to live with you? If you want a Colombian wife, why not find a regular girl. If you are the typical Swede or Norwegian, you are probably in a good spot to attract a regular, good looking Colombiana, who will gladly marry you and move to a world class country. Why bother with a ran through working girl, when you can get an early 20's college student with way less mileage?[/QUOTE]I agree with Perkin Warbeck, although if your country has visa free access for Colombians it might make sense to get her to visit you for a couple of months or whatever. And yeah, a Cartagena working girl is likely to have higher price expectations than a hooker from another city, or a semipro or civilian.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2767427]Brazilian women definitely have the best bodies in the world.[/QUOTE]Is that because of plastic surgery breast augmentation and lipo? Or natural?

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2768049]Is that because of plastic surgery breast augmentation and lipo? Or natural?[/QUOTE]Natural. I do not go near plastic.

[QUOTE=BrotherP;2767302]The guy who had his phone stole, and one of the guys who got drugged and robbed were both in buildings with security. Both chicas were able to leave the building. Also both buildings had copies of the cedul and one guy had pics of the girls. In both cases the polica took the reports, but basically did nothing. The guy who had his phone stole said the polica made some excuse about the cedula probably being fake.

My point is the polica are not supporting anyone who gets jammed up with a bar chica. So be extra careful right now. Play safe gentlemen.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%. I may be one of the guys referenced as I wrote about my incident a few weeks back. Anyway, I was drugged on November 7th and filed the report November 11th. I received an email on the 12th my report had been received and that I'd be notified of a the assigned detective within 5 days. Nothing was sent and my two follow up emails went unanswered. Yesterday, December 6th, I received a templated email stating that my case was being closed as no suspects could be identified. I could certainly identify the suspect if they would have reached out to me or responded!

Anyway, I've reached out to my Paisa network and have identified a fixer with some pull in the police department. I'll keep you updated.

BTW. In case you didn't see, a girl was recently sentenced to almost 10 years for drugging a French guy. He was told Day De Papapay and essentially said fuck that and dogged her down, handing all of the evidence to the police on a platter.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2768734]Agree 100%. I may be one of the guys referenced as I wrote about my incident a few weeks back. Anyway, I was drugged on November 7th and filed the report November 11th. I received an email on the 12th my report had been received and that I'd be notified of a the assigned detective within 5 days. Nothing was sent and my two follow up emails went unanswered. Yesterday, December 6th, I received a templated email stating that my case was being closed as no suspects could be identified. I could certainly identify the suspect if they would have reached out to me or responded!

Anyway, I've reached out to my Paisa network and have identified a fixer with some pull in the police department. I'll keep you updated.

BTW. In case you didn't see, a girl was recently sentenced to almost 10 years for drugging a French guy. He was told Day De Papapay and essentially said fuck that and dogged her down, handing all of the evidence to the police on a platter.[/QUOTE]No I didn't hear about the girl getting 10 years, but good!

I only posted to make people aware so they can be more careful. When I got to Cartagena 11/19 the guys and one of my regular chicas gave me a complete rundown. But I hadn't heard much before I got there. Safe travels bros!

[QUOTE=BrotherP;2765593]Wrapping a good week in Cartagena! On the beach all day, salsa bars at night. Only hung with chicas I already know. No new chicas.

Lots of stories of drugging and robberies by chicas. Even 2 guys who live here got hit. A guy in my building got drunk and a chica walked out with his phone and some cash. They say the police aren't doing much about it.

So play safe guys![/QUOTE]Hi Guys,

In regards to playing safe, I'm travelling to Cartagena for my first time in late April. I've already found myself appropriate accommodations based on this site. What I need is advice about which girls to choose when I'm there considering all the druggings. I'm not going to lie, I love to party hard and I'm already prepping myself to take it easy in this regard. Getting too drunk or high will leave me exposed. What about only asking girls to come back to my place from established clubs in the city? Is that a safer bet for me than bringing girls home from the clock tower or tinder? I know some of the beach vendors offer girls to some of the tourists, should I go that way and does it reduce my risk of getting drugged if I use these guys and the girls they know? This being my first time, I don't expect to get top quality because I literally have no contacts out there. I monger in some other countries and have regulars there I could call for good, affordable, and most of all safe fun. However I've put my work in with those places, multiple trips, multiple years, etc. I just want to approach this town as cautious as possible without being a prude. Truth is I don't know the game out there. Any information on which girls to bring back and where I could find them in regards to reducing my overall risk would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=LobLaws;2770386]What I need is advice about which girls to choose when I'm there considering all the druggings. I'm not going to lie, I love to party hard and I'm already prepping myself to take it easy in this regard. Getting too drunk or high will leave me exposed.[/QUOTE]Pick your poison. Is fucking more important or is getting fucked up more important? You do not have to choose a chick in order to get drugged or robbed. You are the mark. Somebody can see you from far off and get you on gp. You do not want to be in a public space and not have your wits about you. Some chick drugging you is only part of a possible equation, while there are a myriad of other ways to get got.

[QUOTE=LobLaws;2770386]Hi Guys,

In regards to playing safe, I'm travelling to Cartagena for my first time in late April. I've already found myself appropriate accommodations based on this site. What I need is advice about which girls to choose when I'm there considering all the druggings. I'm not going to lie, I love to party hard and I'm already prepping myself to take it easy in this regard. Getting too drunk or high will leave me exposed. What about only asking girls to come back to my place from established clubs in the city? Is that a safer bet for me than bringing girls home from the clock tower or tinder? I know some of the beach vendors offer girls to some of the tourists, should I go that way and does it reduce my risk of getting drugged if I use these guys and the girls they know? This being my first time, I don't expect to get top quality because I literally have no contacts out there. I monger in some other countries and have regulars there I could call for good, affordable, and most of all safe fun. However I've put my work in with those places, multiple trips, multiple years, etc. I just want to approach this town as cautious as possible without being a prude. Truth is I don't know the game out there. Any information on which girls to bring back and where I could find them in regards to reducing my overall risk would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]1. If you are going to drink, do it in the clubs. And never leave it unattended. If you have your shot, take it there.

2. Never bring a muchacha back your place for the first time. Colombian women are shy, even the working ladies. If she offers to come to your place without having met you, it's a huge red flag. That's where you will be drugged. If you are going to meet a girl, take her to a short time hotel first to try her out. Hotel Mar Y Sol in Bocagrande (literally the only reason I go to Bocagrande anymore) is my favorite. Try her out a few times and if she behaves, then bring her back.

And you won't need contacts to get the best girls. You are not going to meet any full time working girls from Cartagena in Centro. These girls have families and word travels fast. The vast majority are Venezuelans or Colombians from other parts of the country, and they have no real network there.

If you want girls, don't use Tinder. The girls you see on Tinder will be in the clubs, Torre del Reloj, or the beaches in Bocagrande.

[QUOTE=LobLaws;2770386]Hi Guys,

In regards to playing safe, I'm travelling to Cartagena for my first time in late April. I've already found myself appropriate accommodations based on this site. What I need is advice about which girls to choose when I'm there considering all the druggings. I'm not going to lie, I love to party hard and I'm already prepping myself to take it easy in this regard. Getting too drunk or high will leave me exposed. What about only asking girls to come back to my place from established clubs in the city? Is that a safer bet for me than bringing girls home from the clock tower or tinder? I know some of the beach vendors offer girls to some of the tourists, should I go that way and does it reduce my risk of getting drugged if I use these guys and the girls they know? This being my first time, I don't expect to get top quality because I literally have no contacts out there. I monger in some other countries and have regulars there I could call for good, affordable, and most of all safe fun. However I've put my work in with those places, multiple trips, multiple years, etc. I just want to approach this town as cautious as possible without being a prude. Truth is I don't know the game out there. Any information on which girls to bring back and where I could find them in regards to reducing my overall risk would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I don't think there's a safe way to monger in Cartagena right now. Even guys who live there are getting got.

Fortunately I was going there before all of this started and being an old DR dude I made a point of building a network. I haven't really done any new chicas this year. I've stuck with the chicas on my team and I avoid delirium and doce. A little boring but safe. I'm telling all my friends not to go to Cartagena if you don't have contacts. My 2 cents.

[QUOTE=LobLaws;2770386]Hi Guys,

In regards to playing safe, I'm travelling to Cartagena for my first time in late April. I've already found myself appropriate accommodations based on this site. What I need is advice about which girls to choose when I'm there considering all the druggings. I'm not going to lie, I love to party hard and I'm already prepping myself to take it easy in this regard. Getting too drunk or high will leave me exposed. What about only asking girls to come back to my place from established clubs in the city? Is that a safer bet for me than bringing girls home from the clock tower or tinder? I know some of the beach vendors offer girls to some of the tourists, should I go that way and does it reduce my risk of getting drugged if I use these guys and the girls they know? This being my first time, I don't expect to get top quality because I literally have no contacts out there. I monger in some other countries and have regulars there I could call for good, affordable, and most of all safe fun. However I've put my work in with those places, multiple trips, multiple years, etc. I just want to approach this town as cautious as possible without being a prude. Truth is I don't know the game out there. Any information on which girls to bring back and where I could find them in regards to reducing my overall risk would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]1. No one can tel you which girls to choose and your type f girl is your personal pefrance.

2. You can get drunk and high all you want just make sure you trust the girl who is there with you won't fuck you over. (I've blacked out a few times with different girls and when I came to about 12 hours later they were right there with me and they didn't ask for a penny extra from the agreed price before I blacked out) those girls have earned my trust I always se ethem when I return and can always recommend them to others.

3. Established clubs don't matter. The girls there don't work for the clubs and are all just random girls. If a girl fucks you over you can't go back to the club and complain one of their girls fucked you over.

4. ClockTower is bottom of the barrel. Tinder is basically everyone, I've met girls in then club who also had tinder profiles. But in my 5 years of experience going to Colombia I can tell you that I had a way more natural experience with the Tinder ones that picking them up off the street. Matter a fact, my Tinder ones are usually BBFS and the ones from the Club or ClockTower are usually hard hat for the little guy.

5. If you want to pay a premium then by all means go with the vendors catalog. Just know that many other lazy mongers did as well and you can get the hotdog down the hallway feeling. (I've been there, its both fascinating and sad at the same time).

6. There is no "game". Leave your jordans, gold chains, all your bling, wife beaters, and Yankee fitteds at home. Game will get you got and you don't want to be another story on youtube about another Gringo ending up dead because he tried to run game or swag.

To sum it up, your risk is how stupid you want to be out there. If you want to go with the purpose of getting ass then they will see you coming and take full advantage because lets face it the majority of people always go to the same exact places, Clocktower after dark, Playa Hollywood during the day, then at night Space, Dolce and Delirium. The girls already know this and the take advantage, Once you get outside of these 5 place things become better.

Your choice. Either take the advice from others whose been there and made the mistakes or go in blind.

Hello Guys,

Thank you very much for the responses. Definitely a lot of insight and I'll be sure to practice some common sense when I'm.

Out there. With these posts and some of the content I've been watching online, it seems like Colombia is a different animal in comparison to other mongering spots. I tend to keep a low profile in general when I travel as I usually go solo. This time will be no different.

Thanks again,

LobLaws.

Will be on a Cruise ship with a Port of call in Cartagena for one day, during the day. Recommendations anyone? I was looking at Mileroticos.

Since you are arriving during the daylight hours, there will be little or zero action on the streets of El Centro. I don't know whether the site you mentioned has woman who host but would think that is highly doubtful, which means you have to arrange a short time hotel for your liaison. When I was in Cartagena a few months ago, I met a friend and his wife who happened to be in Cartagena on a port of call visit. They had very little time to even meet me so you may want to check how long you can stay to catch the return to your cruise ship. Doesn't really seem worth the effort.

[QUOTE=Deamdck;2771412]Will be on a Cruise ship with a Port of call in Cartagena for one day, during the day. Recommendations anyone? I was looking at Mileroticos.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Deamdck;2771412]Will be on a Cruise ship with a Port of call in Cartagena for one day, during the day. Recommendations anyone? I was looking at Mileroticos.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.facebook.com/people/El-paraiso-del-marino-club/100063939844670/[/URL]

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I haven't been to ctg since May. Can't say I had any issues or concerns.

I feel like reading the posts the last 2 months, the issues arise from not following rules, procedures. Whatever you want to call it that you should in this hobby.

First everything stays in the safe. Everything car keys, phone, passport, credit cards, extra cash, phone, jewelry, iPad, anything you don't want to lose! The second I get in the apartment my things go right in unless I'm absolutely alone.

If it's not a girl I really know, phone goes in the safe. Otherwise that's only thing I would keep out even with a known girl.

Drinks when I'm out go from the bartender straight to me and don't leave my hand. No shots from anyone. Nothing. Going to restroom it comes with me or get a new one. Same thing in the apartment with a girl. Drink doesn't leave me.

Tipping your guards, having the understanding a girl doesn't leave without you coming down or a call.

I feel like most this should or is standard practice. Yes we all slip up, make poor choices sometimes. But I feel like these are habits easy to form and stick to so you stay safe.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2774233] Drinks when I'm out go from the bartender straight to me and don't leave my hand. No shots from anyone. Nothing. Going to restroom it comes with me or get a new one. Same thing in the apartment with a girl. Drink doesn't leave me.

I feel like most this should or is standard practice. Yes we all slip up, make poor choices sometimes. But I feel like these are habits easy to form and stick to so you stay safe.[/QUOTE]

I also can't stress this enough always maintain possession of your drink. Even when in your room (apartment / hotel / etc.) and you have a visitor, and especially in clubs, and etc. If you have to go to the bathroom, take it with you. When drinking you never know who is working against your best interest.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2774233]I haven't been to ctg since May. Can't say I had any issues or concerns.

I feel like reading the posts the last 2 months, the issues arise from not following rules, procedures. Whatever you want to call it that you should in this hobby.

First everything stays in the safe. Everything car keys, phone, passport, credit cards, extra cash, phone, jewelry, iPad, anything you don't want to lose! The second I get in the apartment my things go right in unless I'm absolutely alone.

If it's not a girl I really know, phone goes in the safe. Otherwise that's only thing I would keep out even with a known girl.

Drinks when I'm out go from the bartender straight to me and don't leave my hand. No shots from anyone. Nothing. Going to restroom it comes with me or get a new one. Same thing in the apartment with a girl. Drink doesn't leave me.

Tipping your guards, having the understanding a girl doesn't leave without you coming down or a call.

I feel like most this should or is standard practice. Yes we all slip up, make poor choices sometimes. But I feel like these are habits easy to form and stick to so you stay safe.[/QUOTE]Your suggestion is super simple yet EXTREMELY Important. Yet you'd be surprise on how many fail to follow these basic guides. I think it's bc of the new younger generation that doesn't have the discipline yet in this hobby. This used to be an older men's game as we all know. I'm lucky to have learned from them in my first days. But many many of these guys incl some of my friends think they're in Miami partying when in CTG or other spots. I even decided to not take anyone with me on these trips since I get too busy watching and coaching new dudes acting like they never see pussy, acting a fool LOL.

This make take years before we see a change. Cause once we fix we the way we move and act, the petty criminals drugging will move on to another hobby if they can't find no victim. It's all on us.

My thing is this. You go there to fuck, yeah a little dance and have a good time, but first and foremost we can all get drunk at home or a local bar. Focus on the pussy, drink moderately, keep your eyes on the prize. That's what's forgotten.

Stumbled upon some horror stories about Androgeno Latin club.

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[QUOTE]If you're a tourist, AVOID this place! While in Cartagena Colombia, I went to this bar with some people from the UK. Once we got to the bar, we met some locals who offered us some drinks. Everything seemed fine, everybody seemed nice. Eventually as the night went on, the people from the UK decided to leave, and I decided to stay as I didn't feel at risk.

After being with the locals for a few minutes, I ordered two beers. One for me, and one for the local guy I had been chatting with. This is when things quickly escalated. The bar owner came over with a bill, asking for me to pay 10 X the price for two beers. Initially I said no, and asked them to correct it. He walked away for a moment, then returned back. "No, you must pay the bill or you're not going to leave the bar". I turned to go to the bathroom and as I came out, three men were standing next to the door with the EFTPOS machine asking me for even more money. I then realized I was in a lot of trouble. They grabbed me, took my visa and phone from my pocket, and began charging my card without my consent.

I then tried to exit the bar without my visa or phone. The bouncer at the exit said, "You're not leaving". I walked off and tried to find another way out. Eventually, I found an exit and took off running out of the exit. As I got through the door, I was chased by around 20 Colombians. I think I was also drugged before at the bar (this is common in Colombia), because as I was running, my legs gave out and I collapsed on the ground.

Once on the ground, I was attacked. I was kicked and punched repeatedly by multiple Colombian criminals. They carried me back to the bar, where they threw me on the floor, dragged me around, kicked me, and punched me. The police then came. These particular Colombian police were corrupt (also common in Colombia). They hogtied my legs, and handcuffed me. The police were laughing as the bar owners and their friends took their EFTPOS machine and continually transacted my VISA card.

After two hours of being kicked, punched, and having my money stolen, the police un-handcuffed me and left me with the criminals. The criminals then loaded me in a van. While I was getting into the van, one of the guys pulled out ammunition and cocked his pistol directly in my face. His friend waved a baseball bat; insinuating that I had better oblige, or be killed.

They drove me around to different little local ATMs and tried to make me withdraw more cash but the limit had already been reached. Once they realized there were no more funds for them to withdraw, they drove me down a side-road and dumped me out of the van. I then had to find my way back to my hostel. They still have my phone and VISA card.[/QUOTE]FB:

[QUOTE]I literally just witnessed the WORST situation I could possibly think of concerning drugging and robbing. I was at Androgeno's nightclub in Cartagena which I found randomly on Google. Upon entering, I immediately felt as if something was off because the girl to guy ratio was insane. I could count the amount of men there were on my two hands. However there were at least 40 women. I stayed for about 20 minutes and waited for my uber inside before it arrived. Towards the entrance, there was a a white man that looked like the typical "gringo" who was falling over, couldn't keep his head up, and could barely stand. Because of the small amount of men present, I precisely remembered him dancing with a drink in his hand when I first arrived. The club's security was holding him up while a young girl was going through his pockets and unzipping his pants. This was also the same girl who briefly tried to talk to my brother when we first entered the club and she immediately asked if she could go back with him and have drinks, but he politely declined. The security guards at this club were holding up the man while the girl searched his pockets and quickly ran to get her two other friends. I tried to intervene and act like I knew the man and they quickly shut me down and told me to back off. They had a car outside waiting in which the clubs security carried the unconscious man inside first and the three girls got into the car. They tapped the car and screamed "hurry up, get out of here". And the car sped off, I tried to take a picture of the car and the security guard threatened me and put his hand up over my phone. In order to protect myself, I just walked away and kept quiet. Hearing all of the stories of foreigners robbed brings awareness however seeing it with my own bare eyes literally brought chills to my body. I'm up at 5 am writing this because I can't sleep thinking about this. Literally thinking that this was the same girl trying to talk to my 18 year old brother minutes before made it almost hit very close to home. Myself knowing that I put in all the effort I could to prevent anything else bad happening to this man but I wasn't able to do a single thing left me upset. The typical story of someone being drugged and robbed typically happens when they invite someone to their home, however this was a public place with many people around. I'm not sure how he could've played it any safer. Also seeing the employees contributing to such an awful crime literally shows that no one can be safe or trusted. I really hope there is some sort of action that can be taken from now on to ensure the safety of tourists in Colombia.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]I've gone to this place a couple times but I've always had a local tour guide (those club promoters on the street) with me. It's definitely sketch but like all of Colombia you got to be on high alert all the time. I've had great times there but I surrounded myself with people that were-trusted. I was told by a local that there's locals that go there specifically to pickpocket foreigners. Even felt my pockets tugged a couple times that night but I already had the tip and one of those man purses on me with all my stuff. Sad to hear about what happened to everyone here with those bad experiences.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]I went to this after hour club one time, by myself and completely blacked out. Don't remember anything that happened. Don't know how I got home and woke up to my phone missing. Had my watch, credit cards and some cash in my pocket. The worst hangover I had in my life woke up dizzy and tired for like 3 days. This club is in a shady industrial area near the port outside of the tourist zone. Promoters usually say this club is in Manga it's be. S it's after Manga in a shady zone where there is other burdels.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2777707]Stumbled upon some horror stories about Androgeno Latin club.[/QUOTE]That is called being a non-streetwise inexperienced traveler. First there is no need for you to befriend local men. Say Hello, and exchange a few words, but do not go accepting drinks from people. Second, do not ask for anything that you have not seen or gotten the price for ahead of time.

About 20 years ago me and 2 buddies walked into a Cabaret in Nice, France. They straight ordered drinks while I asked for a menu. Upon opening the menu, I saw that the cheapest thing there was water st 35 euro. Their drinks were 40 euro each. Do not allow someone to capitalize from your ignorance. Ask for a menu and / or get prices up front.

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2773205]Hello guys, FYI, the hours for discos and bars were extended until 3:00 in the morning-.

- From December 21,2022, to January 14,2023: from 10 am To 3 am The following day.

- December 24,2022: from 10 am To 4 am The next day.

- December 31,2022: it will be able to operate 24 hours a day, until 4 in the morning of the following day.

Also and no less importantly I have new colleagues available, PM me for more info.

[URL]https://www.eluniversal.com.co/cartagena/es-oficial-estos-son-los-nuevos-horarios-para-la-rumba-en-cartagena-MF7667482[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks OneFireBoy. Guys I have been reading lot of negative reports about so many incidents in Cartegana. My suggestion for newbies and veterans please use OneFireBoy. You will be very safe with him as he is local to the area and knows in and out of everything in the city. He also has beautiful non pro girls he can hook you up. Every time I go to cartegana I meet him and always safe even in the clubs and surrounding areas.

Any updates on VIP club Del Marino?

I was was there in October and had no problems.

Inside was 3 gringos and 25 employees.

We were prime candidates for a easy robbery.

Just back from 2 weeks in Cartagena, my first ever trip there or to Colombia at all for that matter. I read a lot of posts in this forum and picked up some useful info before I got there, so hopefully I can give something back by sharing my own experience.

First let's talk about the elephant in the room, the drugging / robbery that seems to be rampant here. Being aware of the risks I took certain precautions with regards to location of my valuables and consumption (or not) of food / drink in the presence of girls. I'm fortunate in the sense that I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to this hobby of ours. I don't really drink alcohol, never do drugs and I'm not really into clubbing. I'm also not really looking for any kind of girlfriend experience. I just get straight down to business and when the job is done I don't tend to hang around. Finally, I travel solo and stick to one girl at a time, and I wouldn't be into any kind of group activity. I think all of these factors make me a somewhat difficult target, although I'm fully aware that nothing is impossible and I decided that I would take a calculated risk. I'm glad to say that all went well and no horror stories to report.

OK now that's out the way let's talk about my experiences. I'm not one for writing lengthy field reports but lets just say I brought a different girl home with me almost every night, with the exception of one weeknight being a repeat order due to a lack of other good options. I mainly found them in Centro so I'll give a rundown below of the places I visited.

First stop for me was Delirium. I'd heard a lot about this place and I wanted to check it out for myself. It's definitely more of a hip hop vibe, which wouldn't bother me. But I didn't like this place simply because I wasn't into any of the girls in there (although it should be noted that I'm very particular about what I like). On the plus side, there was always a good number of girls in there. If you like that kind of vibe and the women it attracts, this would probably be a good place to try.

Next up Space. This place was slightly better for me. Music was more my type and there were one or two girls that I liked in there, although it seemed to have less girls than the other places I went to.

Finally La Dolce Vita. This was my favourite of the three I frequented. Great music, lots of girls and the layout of the place suits me as I like to stand more than sit and there are plenty of spots where you can stand without feeling awkward.

I also spent a good bit of time around the Clock Tower (excuse the pun). I actually prefer to do this than even go inside a club. It's way more efficient for someone like me, who just wants to pick a girl and whisk her away immediately. The only issue is that in general its the less hot ones who are prepared to stand in the street all night. On the plus side, there is more opportunity to haggle with them and they are more likely to agree to any additional services you may require.

The thing I liked most about Cartagena is that even the girls who mostly go to the bars will usually spend some time walking around the streets in Centro. So the whole area is like one giant brothel after 10 pm. If she looks like a hooker she almost certainly is a hooker so all you need to do is go and say Hi and take it from there. You wouldn't even have to set foot in a bar if you were so inclined.

I'm glad I didn't have to waste too much time on the online thing. I did create an account on Tinder and Colombian Cupid, and even searched a few times on Facebook, but nothing ever came of any of my efforts. I'm probably just not suited to that sort of approach despite being relatively tech savvy. But when it comes to women I like to see with my own eyes what's on offer before I even engage with them, I just find it saves time and effort. Maybe online works well for others but it's definitely not for me.

Overall I had an amazing trip. Cartagena just suits me to the ground (the sun and the sea) and I'll most likely be visiting again around the same time next year. It should be noted that I've visited a number of countries in Latin America and I speak fluent Spanish which helps a lot although I'm sure you could get by without it.

I want to finish by saying thanks to the people who have previously shared their experiences here, the info I got here helped a lot in my preparation for what was one of the best holidays I've had in many years.

[QUOTE=Breeder1983;2778729]Just back from 2 weeks in Cartagena, my first ever trip there or to Colombia at all for that matter. I read a lot of posts in this forum and picked up some useful info before I got there, so hopefully I can give something back by sharing my own experience.

First let's talk about the elephant in the room, the drugging / robbery that seems to be rampant here. Being aware of the risks I took certain precautions with regards to location of my valuables and consumption (or not) of food / drink in the presence of girls. I'm fortunate in the sense that I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to this hobby of ours. I don't really drink alcohol, never do drugs and I'm not really into clubbing. I'm also not really looking for any kind of girlfriend experience. I just get straight down to business and when the job is done I don't tend to hang around. Finally, I travel solo and stick to one girl at a time, and I wouldn't be into any kind of group activity. I think all of these factors make me a somewhat difficult target, although I'm fully aware that nothing is impossible and I decided that I would take a calculated risk. I'm glad to say that all went well and no horror stories to report.

OK now that's out the way let's talk about my experiences. I'm not one for writing lengthy field reports but lets just say I brought a different girl home with me almost every night, with the exception of one weeknight being a repeat order due to a lack of other good options. I mainly found them in Centro so I'll give a rundown below of the places I visited..[/QUOTE]Hello man,

Nice report. Would you tell when did you stay? Which accommodation that allowed visitors?

In February I'll be back in Cartagena for the first time since 2006, looking forward to seeing what's changed.

Reading these threads it seems a lot. A few of my old haunts still seem to be there but I've a feeling the vibe has been changed for the worse by all the new tourism.

Appreciate the intel on the latest scams people have taken the time to detail. Its the age old advice though. Stay sober, stay switched on and don't go to places off the beaten track.

Weird, I was living in Cartagena for 2-3 months and visited Androgeno plenty of times for an after party, never seen nothing shady like this going on, there is usually 100+ people in the place, this guy must of been resisting hard to paying the bill and maybe in a drugged state, I had issues like this in Mexican strip clubs, where they would overcharge your card without you even noticing and then ID just call the card company and reverse the whole charge, haha.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2777707]Stumbled upon some horror stories about Androgeno Latin club.

Trip Advisor:

FB:[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Breeder1983;2778729]I'm fortunate in the sense that I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to this hobby of ours. I don't really drink alcohol, never do drugs and I'm not really into clubbing. I'm also not really looking for any kind of girlfriend experience. I just get straight down to business and when the job is done I don't tend to hang around. Finally, I travel solo and stick to one girl at a time, and I wouldn't be into any kind of group activity. I think all of these factors make me a somewhat difficult target[/QUOTE]Looks like you have the game down. 99% of the cases where the guys got drugged and or robbed, they were trying to hang out or party with chicks instead of just fuck them. Way to stay focused.

[QUOTE=Breeder1983;2778729]Just back from 2 weeks in Cartagena, my first ever trip there or to Colombia at all for that matter. I read a lot of posts in this forum and picked up some useful info before I got there, so hopefully I can give something back by sharing my own experience.

First let's talk about the elephant in the room, the drugging / robbery that seems to be rampant here. Being aware of the risks I took certain precautions with regards to location of my valuables and consumption (or not) of food / drink in the presence of girls. I'm fortunate in the sense that I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to this hobby of ours. I don't really drink alcohol, never do drugs and I'm not really into clubbing. I'm also not really looking for any kind of girlfriend experience. I just get straight down to business and when the job is done I don't tend to hang around. Finally, I travel solo and stick to one girl at a time, and I wouldn't be into any kind of group activity. I think all of these factors make me a somewhat difficult target, although I'm fully aware that nothing is impossible and I decided that I would take a calculated risk. I'm glad to say that all went well and no horror stories to report..[/QUOTE]I appreciate the report and move the same way, with the exception of partying a bit. I do love to party. Having said, I'm heading out there for 8 days in late April for the first time. I speak intermediate Spanish. Can you advise on the prices you paid roughly? In terms of accommodation, I already found a suitable place having used this forum as a guide.

Thanks.

First time in the walled city. Intermediate Spanish. Been to Medellin and Bogota plenty.

Stayed in an rental in Boca Grande. Probably should have stayed in Gensemani if I could find a quiet place.

Piggy backing on Breeders report, I did a lot of the same. I talked to a number of chicas around the clock tower and most were pretty cold and didn't have much personality. I preferred to be in a bar or restaurant doing work.

Delirium and Dolce Vita were two of the same for me. Lots of beautiful women. Not big clubs at all. Not much smiling. Mostly on their phones and drinking cups of water. Tons and I mean tons of plastic booty and tetas. Not my thing.

Had the best night at Space club. Definitely more urban. Do not run up a tab there, always pay as you go. Took a chica home from there and we didn't even discuss money. $50. She came and saw me on my last night with me clearly telling her I wasnt looking to have company. Freebie.

Tinder was super hit and miss but after a lot of work I found a normal civilian and we headed off to the islands for a few days. Zero money given but of course I paid for pretty much everything. So there is still hope but I would say 15/20 chicas I talked to just vanished or stopped responding. They are looking for that quick $100-$200 sucker.

I never made it to the following but I am sure one of you fine gents will and report back.

El Paraiso Del Marino club. The touts in El Centro push this place hard. Taxis say its the better than the next one:

Chica Linda club. Confirmed through locals that its 150 COP to have a girl in here.

HOM Massage in centro is another local spot I heard about for extras.

Hotel El Dorado for massages.

Enjoy.

Taco.

Beach: I don't remember the exact price quoted but it was 200+/ HR. As recommended in ISG, found Tony. You can ask for Tony, or there is a chair that says 'Tony' on the back. Tony is slightly better than other pimps around.

Clock tower: The street walker marker starts after tourist leaves, like 8 pm or later. 50-100 girls. But all were quoting high prices, like 500/ HR. The cops starts to move away the market like around midnight, and in 1 HR everyone leaves the place. Both girls, and tourists. Even towards the end, the girls were still quoting high price. I got one girl's number and negotiated for 100/ HR for next day daytime through WhatsApp. I guess that's the best strategy to get value for session, if you are looking at 100/ HR. I left Cartagena soon, since Barranquilla is just 2 hrs away and offers good value at 100/ HR.

I decided to pull the trigger and book a trip for middle of April. Tickets from south Florida have not dropped below 500 $ direct flight. Gone are the 250-350 days 😭128557;. Luckily the apartment stays the same price.

Already let my regular know the dates so she can arrange to be there from Medellin herself.

Hope the peso doesn't go down any further. That closer to 5 k was looking nice. I am looking forward to it! Almost a full year since I was there.

Living here for a few months and the price increases are overblown. You are only seeing those in Centro in the clubs or in Plaza de LOS Coches. I found an average Colombiana with pretty long hair. Two shots. Bareback. Deep kissing. 100 k + 20 for the taxi.

Also, bring a burner phone and get a Colombian sim. It's a cheat code having a Colombian number. The prices get a lot more reasonable everywhere.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2784289]Living here for a few months and the price increases are overblown. You are only seeing those in Centro in the clubs or in Plaza de LOS Coches. I found an average Colombiana with pretty long hair. Two shots. Bareback. Deep kissing. 100 k + 20 for the taxi.[/QUOTE]You found her where?

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2784289]Living here for a few months and the price increases are overblown. You are only seeing those in Centro in the clubs or in Plaza de LOS Coches. I found an average Colombiana with pretty long hair. Two shots. Bareback. Deep kissing. 100 k + 20 for the taxi.

Also, bring a burner phone and get a Colombian sim. It's a cheat code having a Colombian number. The prices get a lot more reasonable everywhere.[/QUOTE]So you are seeing them spread out too? I am not sure if the Christmas crowds caused it but last time I was in CTG there were about a half dozen WGs near the Nao Mall on Carrera 2 in Bocagrande. I do not know prices because I do not do WGs, but I would think this spot may get more popular as it is closer to the tourist spots. No one was hassling the women either.

Honestly, having the WGs at the clock tower has to be an eye sore for the city. The clock tower area was an amazing sight at Christmas, and families and children were out in force.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2784299]You found her where?[/QUOTE]I found her and two other muchachas just like here on Mileroticos and Skokka.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2784368]So you are seeing them spread out too? I am not sure if the Christmas crowds caused it but last time I was in CTG there were about a half dozen WGs near the Nao Mall on Carrera 2 in Bocagrande. I do not know prices because I do not do WGs, but I would think this spot may get more popular as it is closer to the tourist spots. No one was hassling the women either.

Honestly, having the WGs at the clock tower has to be an eye sore for the city. The clock tower area was an amazing sight at Christmas, and families and children were out in force.[/QUOTE]Those girls aren't really new. At night, Bocagrande has always had a working girl scene. It's just more spread out. Even better, a growing number of girls are renting rooms down there to make it even more accessible. In Laguito, Hollywood Beach Suites and a few others must have opened their doors to the trade because you'll see ladies advertising in calls there. And it makes a lot of sense. Tourists do not want to go to Pie de la Popa or Campestre where they stick out. It's a lot more safe and convenient. Very smart by the ladies.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/reel/CoDexoGA1qJ/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY%3D[/URL]

2 of my chicas sent me this today because they know I'm coming next week for carnival. All I have to say is, if you are going there for the celebrations, be careful with who you are meeting. It doesn't matter if its website, dating app or off the street, be careful.

Woke up to another one sent from one of my chicas.

[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@lordwilliamson/video/7194518609027288363?_r=1&_t=8ZUUBumwxQ6[/URL]

If you're going to walk around at night don't do it solo and don't dress like a tourist.

The guy's name is Jonathan Diaz from Baton Rouge. This is a very serious crime, scary as shit!

A Vennie hooker from the Clock Tower stole my phone in the hotel, lost all my contacts, was in deep shit for a couple days. Lucky I had all hotels and flight bookings printed out on paper, also saved in my email, so I could continue my trip to other cities in Colombia and returned to the US.

A wingman did far worse taking a club girl back to his apartment. He got drugged, woke up the next morning the girl was gone, his wallet, money, phone, passport all stolen. The girl could have overdosed and killed him too. Lucky he had a wingman who bailed him out, but they had to go to US Embassy in Bogota and waited a couple days for emergency passport replacement. If you travel solo, you would be really fucked, stuck in a foreign country without money, phone, passport. Having hotels record the girls' IDs would be a layer of protection. Or take pics of them and their IDs and immediately upload them into cloud, just in case they steal your phone too hehe.

Looks like Colombia is rife with all kinds of criminals, ready to prey on sex tourists. Kidnap. Torture, extortion are serious terrorists' crimes. Policias won't do shit to investigate and prosecute crimes against mongers, knowing they will likely not coming back.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2785002][URL]https://www.instagram.com/reel/CoDexoGA1qJ/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY%3D[/URL]

2 of my chicas sent me this today because they know I'm coming next week for carnival. All I have to say is, if you are going there for the celebrations, be careful with who you are meeting. It doesn't matter if its website, dating app or off the street, be careful.[/QUOTE]I can't see that but I suppose it is the same thing that my buddies put in our chat today about an American millionaire getting kidnapped in Cartagena by some girl he knew and her friends. They rode him around and beat him and got passwords out of him, transferring money from PayPal and using his credit cards and shit. In all they got him for $10,000.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=tdAUrSQR0zw[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2785194]I can't see that but I suppose it is the same thing that my buddies put in our chat today about an American millionaire getting kidnapped in Cartagena by some girl he knew and her friends. They rode him around and beat him and got passwords out of him, transferring money from PayPal and using his credit cards and shit. In all they got him for $10,000.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=tdAUrSQR0zw[/URL][/QUOTE]Most notably he states how after speaking with the police, this isn't the first time it's happened / gringo being kidnapped and robbed. I wonder how many stories of this crazy shit guys really aren't sharing on these boards or on YouTube, Facebook, etc. Hats off to this gentleman for sharing his story.

At Captain Solo. Happy you're okay, brother. We don't know each other but thank you for your story. A few friends of mine just cancelled their flights to Colombia. I'm still scheduled to go in a few months but if this shit keeps up I'll probably follow suit.

I've been in city and country for five days with four more to go. The reported robberies and beatings are all unfortunate. That being said, why people don't move the same as if they were in the inner cities of Chicago, New York or LOS Angeles is beyond me. Further, if you wouldn't enter these neighborhoods stateside or in your country, why do so abroad.

My contributions today:

Luxury Spa and HOM Spa. Both places offers extras. Expect to pay 150 k for a 60 min massage and requested 100 k to finish. Negotiate of course.

The three clubs (Dolce, Space and Delirium) are all come as you are with girls waiting to be chose. With that, it seems like many of them have set their asking price to $100-150 USD.

Hollywood Beach aka Playa Hollywood. Most girls are working there (it seems) literally just exchange WhatsApp.

* Anyone willing to give pointers, know of any good spots to check out, I'm all ears*.

Thanks for everyone's contributions.

I still feel he slipped. Take taxi only. Or now even bus. Keep everything in your control. Flashy hotel. Flashy pics. Don't show off.

Meet out some where busy already. Or else have her straight come over if that's all you're after. Do your deed. Done.

How do you guys feel about Uber? They can't plan that??

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2785158]The guy's name is Jonathan Diaz from Baton Rouge. This is a very serious crime, scary as shit!

A Vennie hooker from the Clock Tower stole my phone in the hotel, lost all my contacts, was in deep shit for a couple days. Lucky I had all hotels and flight bookings printed out on paper, also saved in my email, so I could continue my trip to other cities in Colombia and returned to the US.

A wingman did far worse taking a club girl back to his apartment. He got drugged, woke up the next morning the girl was gone, his wallet, money, phone, passport all stolen. The girl could have overdosed and killed him too. Lucky he had a wingman who bailed him out, but they had to go to US Embassy in Bogota and waited a couple days for emergency passport replacement. If you travel solo, you would be really fucked, stuck in a foreign country without money, phone, passport. Having hotels record the girls' IDs would be a layer of protection. Or take pics of them and their IDs and immediately upload them into cloud, just in case they steal your phone too hehe.

Looks like Colombia is rife with all kinds of criminals, ready to prey on sex tourists. Kidnap. Torture, extortion are serious terrorists' crimes. Policias won't do shit to investigate and prosecute crimes against mongers, knowing they will likely not coming back.[/QUOTE]There's no reason to hit up Cartagena when many other options are available and they are far less dangerous. Especially if you are solo.

[QUOTE=LobLaws;2785227]Most notably he states how after speaking with the police, this isn't the first time it's happened / gringo being kidnapped and robbed. I wonder how many stories of this crazy shit guys really aren't sharing on these boards or on YouTube, Facebook, etc. Hats off to this gentleman for sharing his story.

At Captain Solo. Happy you're okay, brother. We don't know each other but thank you for your story. A few friends of mine just cancelled their flights to Colombia. I'm still scheduled to go in a few months but if this shit keeps up I'll probably follow suit.[/QUOTE]The word I got last year was that the policía aren't putting effort into solving any case involving guys who get robbed by chicas they don't know. I suspect they publicized this to discourage guys from coming.

I just returned from 14 days solo in Cartagena and had no trouble. But first, let me say that I did not do any mongering on my trip. I'm not drawn to the Cartagena ladies. If I wanted that, I would have gone to Bogota where the girls are more my style, and neighborhoods like Santa Fe or Candelaria are more accessible and generally safe. I stayed in the Historic Center, and in Bocagrande, and took a side trip to Baru. I met up with a nice lady from Colombian Cupid the last few days and went around with her. I went out walking or to the beach during the afternoons, and strolled around in the evenings, and played the tourist. And ate the crummy local food in average restaurants. And rode around in yellow taxis. I know this site is about mongering, but I just wanted to say that for two weeks, I saw no signs of criminals or crimes, and nobody bothered me (except some pushy venders at the beach). Judging from the posts, I cannot recommend CTG for pursuit of the hobby, and recommend to all to play it safe.

Loblaws,

I was very lucky, just had to buy a new phone with a Colombian SIM card and continued my trip. I could cost many days delays and lots of money if I lost the passport and wallet. How can I explain losing everything in Colombia to family and friends? I feel the bros should report all crimes, abuses, offenses wherever they go to help others avoid them.

In my case the Vennie I picked up had a plan to steal from the start. Right after we got in the taxi heading back to Boca Grande, she said she was hungry and needed food. It was past 2 AM, nothing was open on the way back. In the room I took my clothes off; she sat on the bed, refused to take clothes off, again said she wanted something to eat. She was trying all along to distract me from guarding my valuables. With just a towel around my waist, left wallet and phone in my pants, I walked down to wingman's room to get her a beer. She followed me out to the hall way. I thought she may try to steal my wallet, but did not think she could move that fast. While I waited for my wingman to get me the beer, I occasionally looked back to my room; she was out in the hallway. I walked back with the beer. She was sitting on the bed inside the room, looking nervous, but I still did not believe she could move so fast. Stupid me, because a pretty girl in NYC was able to cross the room, stole my wallet and returned to her spot like nothing happened, all within 30 seconds while I was in the bathroom. These thieves and pick pockets are extremely fast with their art. Don't underestimate them.

She sat on the bed drinking the beer, wanted money first. I refused. She got mad. I asked her to leave. She threatened me with something like "muy malo" as she exited the room. I thought about checking her hand bag, but being a gentleman I did not want to insult her. Couple minutes later I found out the phone was gone, but lucky she did not steal the wallet and passport, which could be a huge problem.

The hotel manager said there are lots of theft problems with hookers. They would steal anything they can get their hands on, including his computer accessories and table fan. The thieves are very fast. Don't take any chance with them.

I could not find any club girls in all 3 major Col cities to suit my taste. They were all big, chunky, heavy, homely. The few skinny club girls turned out to be transsexuals with deep, horrible broken voices.

Tijuana has hundreds hot girls every night in HK, many model quality. , also lots of hot girls in escort sites, Seeking and Tinder. My wingmen and I usually do 3 or 4 girls each night. Tijuana's bar zone is under protection by the Sinaloa cartel, so nobody dares to pull crimes in their territory. I have been going to Tijuana just every weekend for 22 years. Have never been robbed or lost anything in all those years.

I've been reading these forums over the years. Mostly just fantasizing, and *finally* that's going to turn to reality. I hope.

Up until a few days ago, I had things narrowed down to a few locations in the western hemisphere, and finally decided on Cartegena. But with all the posts over the last few days, I'm wondering if I'm being dumb. I'm planning on going last week in April. I'll be going solo with as much Spanish as I can learn in between now and then. The idea would be to setup something via SA, and failing that, something from the street.

Almost 60 year old guy from the US in Cartegena. Are there additional things I can do to mitigate this risk, or am I just an easily identified target from 1000 yards away?

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2785751]In the room I took my clothes off; she sat on the bed, refused to take clothes off, again said she wanted something to eat. She was trying all along to distract me from guarding my valuables. With just a towel around my waist, left wallet and phone in my pants, [/QUOTE]Jesus Christ. This has to be mongering 102. Never take your clothes off until the girl takes her clothes off. Does not even need to be mentioned leaving your valuables where someone can get them. There are really some professional rookies on this board. Experience is the best teacher, but please go back and watch The Mack. There is a scene where the trick is in the bathtub and the girl is not in the bathtub and fully clothed. She made off with his shit. He ran into rhe street naked talking about how his wife was going to kill him because his entire pay check just walked away.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2785751]Loblaws,

I was very lucky, just had to buy a new phone with a Colombian SIM card and continued my trip. I could cost many days delays and lots of money if I lost the passport and wallet. How can I explain losing everything in Colombia to family and friends? I feel the bros should report all crimes, abuses, offenses wherever they go to help others avoid them.

In my case the Vennie I picked up had a plan to steal from the start. Right after we got in the taxi heading back to Boca Grande, she said she was hungry and needed food. It was past 2 AM, nothing was open on the way back. In the room I took my clothes off; she sat on the bed, refused to take clothes off, again said she wanted something to eat. She was trying all along to distract me from guarding my valuables. With just a towel around my waist, left wallet and phone in my pants, I walked down to wingman's room to get her a beer. She followed me out to the hall way. I thought she may try to steal my wallet, but did not think she could move that fast. While I waited for my wingman to get me the beer, I occasionally looked back to my room; she was out in the hallway. I walked back with the beer. She was sitting on the bed inside the room, looking nervous, but I still did not believe she could move so fast. Stupid me, because a pretty girl in NYC was able to cross the room, stole my wallet and returned to her spot like nothing happened, all within 30 seconds while I was in the bathroom. These thieves and pick pockets are extremely fast with their art. Don't underestimate them..[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear that bro. Been reading lot of report about stealing, robbing and other things. Be careful folks. I have mentioned before use OneFireboy. He is local in Cartagena and can guide you through the city and with girls. He can go with you to the clubs and help you translate also. It's just sad to hear these kind of stories.

Recently spent about 5 days in Cartagena with a few other Bilingual first timer buddies that are also born / raised in the North East USA. I was able to gather lots of info from lurking on this forum so I hope some of my info can help others. Based on many informative posts here and prior research on Cartagena we decided on getting two places to rest our heads and enjoy the local talent. A very nice Airbnb in one of the nicer buildings in Laguito (lake and beach area) with great beach views (10 minute walk to Hollywood Beach area known for daytime talent) and also a 2nd spot mostly for smashing (Hotel Viajero Centro) within the walled city right in the middle of all the night time party action. Most of the nicer buildings with security in Laguito or Boca Grande (I was told by locals) will allow guests during the day but you will likely have problems stumbling in with some talent late night / early morning. I was also told by by Venezuelan talent that only Colombian Cedula ID guests are allowed in many of the nicer buildings in Laguito / Boca Grande. One Venezuelan (I'd rate an 8-9 NYC standards) who's services I enjoyed (talked her down to $120 USD for 1. 5 Hrs) told me she would have to pay security $100 USD to see one of her big baller regulars in one of the 5 star hotels.

The beauty of the two location strategy is that you can keep all your valuables in your main spot while never exposing much in your smash spot for late night action. I always made sure to tell talent that I was staying with a few friends at another much nicer location and they respected my not being naive. If you care about getting restful sleep and great beach views then Laguito of Bocagrande is the way to go. 15-20 Minute Cab rides to the Clock Tower or Walled city are only 3-4 USD from Laguito / Bocagrande. El Viajero Centro hotel was certainly guest friendly and down the block from all the pick up clubs. Dolce Vita, Space, Delirium and the best 100% free pickup spot I will bring up later. Viajero centro was maybe a 10 minute walk to the Clock Tower. There were a few gems by the clock Tower area but I was usually not too impressed. My buddy picked up a few gems at the clock tower for $300 K Pesos per Hour.

Prices and service: As someone (mid-late 30's) that can speak totally fluent Spanish with an obvious Gringo accent that isn't horrible looking / smelly / awkward prices ranged from 300-450 K Pesos per hour. All the 8-9's in their early 20's wouldn't go lower than 400 K Pesos / HR. Some of the 7-8's in their early 30's could be had for about $300 K Pesos per hour. My strategy is to always offer them a beer (inside or on street) and talk them up for a good 5-10 minutes to make them feel comfortable before bringing up prices. If they seem only transactional or a hardened pro and not easy going at all then I say bye. I always asked what their price is in pesos not dollars. All service provided is covered with oral and all the normal positions offered. Some kissing and spanking was usually ok from me but I can tell they avoid ruining their hair or makeup.

Best free pickup Spot: The Pan. Debono bakery / cafe that every working girl seems to stop by every single night on the corner near Space and Delirium. IMO much more attractive girls are found there VS the clock tower. Once they hear you speak English you will certainly get their attention.

I enjoy chatting up the girls, making them laugh and getting the scoop when I can. Once comfortable a few of them stayed well over the time I paid for. When I asked what they hated about some foreign / USA mongers: those who were loud / aggressive / disrespectful / street types or trying to pick them up their crew of 5 guys. Most hated when guys demanded raw services and they had to say no. Many of the girls I met (even early 20's) were single Moms with multiple kids doing this for a short time and soon going back to their cities like Barranquilla, Armenia etc. I usually got more than my moneys worth from most when making them feel comfortable.

[QUOTE=Nyc718;2785884]Recently spent about 5 days in Cartagena with a few other Bilingual first timer buddies that are also born / raised in the North East USA. .......................
Best free pickup Spot: The Pan. Debono bakery / cafe that every working girl seems to stop by every single night on the corner near Space and Delirium. IMO much more attractive girls are found there VS the clock tower. Once they hear you speak English you will certainly get their attention. [/QUOTE]If this is where I think you're talking about its on the corner of Calle de San Agustin Chiquita and Calle Del Porvenir AKA the corner that always smells like shit or the top left corner of the pussy triangle if your walking from the clocktower.

Yes, can confirm they all stop there to eat and hang out there. That street Calle de San Agustin Chiquita also get allot of foot traffic when the girls are walking from Space to Delurium. But you have to deal with that lady whose always there begging infront of the shop.

Running after the puta down the street naked moaning how his paycheck has been stolen has to be a classic funny story hehe. Man, I am glad I got off pretty lightly in Cartagena.

I was complacent after 2 decades going weekly to Tijuana, other cities in Mexico, Asia, Europe and Latin America, never lost anything. Did avoid losing the wallet and passport in a filthy Viet *****house on 49th street in Phnompenh thanks to warnings by the bros in that thread. Went to the French villa with a classy brothel full of Viet girls, picked up a few for all nighters, no problemos.

When she said she was hungry, I felt compassion for the people's hardship in Venezuela, so I was cutting her some slack, treating her with dignity not like a potential thief. But my compassion was misplaced, and I was not as fast and alert as I thought I was after drinking all night in the club. Damn, this crooked puta was fast and slick.

Next night I picked up a half Vennie near the clock tower. She was a beautiful spinner, nice, clean, pleasant, would do anything all night in bed. She's very cute and sexy. I would do her again, may be flying her down to MDE for a couple days. I gave her tel to a couple bros to hook. They were all happy with her.

Outside club Espace there were 2 dozen girls, a few hot spinners. Inside the girls were mostly thick and homely. They all wanted $100 for ST. The only tall, skinny girl was standing away by herself, no friends, not talking with anyone, with half her body covered in tats. When she opened "her" mouth talking to me, she was croaking with a very deep and broken voice like a toad hehe.

Transsexuals also walk the beach in Boca Grande at night, talking loudly, making a lot of noise.

Risks of becoming victims of violent crimes are so high in Colombia, unlike all other countries I have been to.

Ill be landing early next week for Carnival, 11 nights in Cartegena, 4 nights in Barranquilla, then I have to decide if ill do a week in Medellin or Santa Martha. I wanted to get there a week before due to those plate tickets were just too damn high during the week of carnival. Yesterday I told my main Dolce girl I'm coming and she immediately told me she won't be able to come with me to carnival because some high paying gringo already send her $1000 to be with him, the kicker is his ass don't even get there until the 16th, then when he get there, hes going to give her more money. Of course I call bullshit but then she sends me a screenshot of the PayPal transaction (well that shut me up), His pockets, his choice. So she tells me since she cannot go to carnival with me she will stay with me the week prior and if I want she can help me get a girl to go with me. Not a bad deal so I put that on pause. Then I reached out to my Delirium chica she said similar, high paying gringo coming so she can't go with me to carnival (WTF). Reached out to my Barranquilla chica, she said the same thing, high paying gringo coming but she don't mind introducing me to the Gringo and we can all party together, I immediately tell her its not a good idea to introduce your clients to me because although I'm cool an understand its business the client might not understand and get in his feelings and you will loose money. I asked her to get me some Palco tickets and we can link up then go separate ways, she agreed. Those were my top 3 girls who I could trust to stay with me for 3 nights and charge me little to nothing if anything at all.

Decided to reach out to one of the new girls from my last trip my Dolce girl helped me get in Plaza Caribe since it was only 150 Mil, only 1 actually received the message and responded and eager to go. I asked for her ID so I can register it at the hotel and she sends me some shit called Contrasena, now, the only IDs I've seen are the Cedula, Permiso Especial de Permanecina (PEP), Passport, and the RUMV. I've never seen or heard of a Contrasena. Sent it to my Dolce girl and asked if its legit, she says yea, it just means the girl is young. Wheels start turning in my head because I've met 18 year olds with Cedulas, I looked at the ID again checked date of birth and it made sense, she just got the ID last month. Dolce chica tells me its fine and she will be able to check in with me, so looks like I'm all set for Carnival.

Long story short, if your going for carnival and got a favourite girl you want to stay with. You might want to snatch her up if someone didn't already. Also be careful out there because all my chicas are warning me of the crime uptick in Cartegena and says it gets even more crazy around carnival due to the increase of gringos. They said leave everything valuable in the hotel as the pickpocketing is insane during carnival.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2786428]Running after the puta down the street naked moaning how his paycheck has been stolen has to be a classic funny story hehe. .....[/QUOTE]Not funny to the guy running after his paycheck or his family.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2786231]If this is where I think you're talking about its on the corner of Calle de San Agustin Chiquita and Calle Del Porvenir AKA the corner that always smells like shit or the top left corner of the pussy triangle if your walking from the clocktower.
.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to thank you Nypher for sharing a lot of great info on here that I learned from while lurking before my trip.

It's the bakery down the block from Space and Dolce on the corner. During the day time its packed with locals / tourists and and at night (10 Pm and later) mostly all the ladies getting a quick bite. I grew up eating Colombian bakery food in the states and can verify its one of the best Pan de Bono's (cheese bread) I've tried inside or out of Colombia. Explains why all the talent go there as its amazing and cheap. Amazing fresh juices as well. I didn't notice any stench and doubt they would let it get smelly for long as its across the street from a church and also a major touristy intersection during the day. That lady begging is certainly there. There are also lots of dudes there offering hotels or free entry into the clubs etc at night. I'd ignore everyone except talent LOL. Once you find some talent take them around the block and chat over a cheap beer from a store.

Safety has been a major topic as of late and I truly feel for my American bro's. If you are a solo mongering traveler that doesn't really speak spanish / can't hold a real conversation then I 100% recommend using some vetted guide you can probably find on here. We had no problems as Gringo Bilinguals while there but I can tell there is at least a little resentment / jealousy of Gringos by some of the local dudes offering clubs / motels on the street at night. Just be nice and respectful when you say no no no to all the offers and move on. I'd recommend statying away from all substances offered too. Some of them probably take joy in hearing about a "dumb gringo" being robbed and some probably enjoy doing it. It likley irks them watching the hottest women giving all the gringos attention they will never get making only $300-$400 USD a month.

For the love of God leave all jewelry and Apple products in the US. Buy some cheapo used fully unlocked Android phone in the US (maybe have a backup too) and inside the Centro / walled City you can get a Claro Sim with 9 GB of Data for a month for about $8-10 USD. They will pop it in and set it up for you. Set up Whatsapp with your new Cartagena number and download Indriver App for Cabs. Only use cabs from the App or called by Hotels.

Life is short, be safe everyone!

I really feel like what's going on is due to an over saturation of rookies in this hobby! I mean. I've been doing this most my adult life and I'm sure I'm still below the average age here. Starting in Costa Rica, sampled in Guatemala. Ecuador. Peru. Thailand. Amsterdam, Colombia. Maybe I've really done my research over the years and learned?

If you have a chick over, how do you leave anything out where she can get it. Fuck I even hide kitchen knives! Quick sweep through when I get to the apartment first. Have everything ready. Come back to apartment. Everything goes straight to safe except cell. I go to bathroom I take the cell with me. I have a drink, I finish it or take it with me.

Always deadbolt the door too.

Carry a copy of your passport. Tip the doormen and security. Make them your buddies. Don't get in a car with someone else. Take your taxi or Uber. Don't walk around with phone in hand. Don't wear flashy stuff. If using tinder or something don't put flashy pics. Know where you're going, look at where you're going and familiarize yourself first so you don't get lost down a dark street.

I feel like this should all be common sense.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2786788]I really feel like what's going on is due to an over saturation of rookies in this hobby! I mean. I've been doing this most my adult life and I'm sure I'm still below the average age here. Starting in Costa Rica, sampled in Guatemala. Ecuador. Peru. Thailand. Amsterdam, Colombia. Maybe I've really done my research over the years and learned?

If you have a chick over, how do you leave anything out where she can get it. Fuck I even hide kitchen knives! Quick sweep through when I get to the apartment first. Have everything ready. Come back to apartment. Everything goes straight to safe except cell. I go to bathroom I take the cell with me. I have a drink, I finish it or take it with me.

Always deadbolt the door too.

Carry a copy of your passport. Tip the doormen and security. Make them your buddies. Don't get in a car with someone else. Take your taxi or Uber. Don't walk around with phone in hand. Don't wear flashy stuff. If using tinder or something don't put flashy pics. Know where you're going, look at where you're going and familiarize yourself first so you don't get lost down a dark street.

I feel like this should all be common sense.[/QUOTE]Don't forget. Don't select the location where crime is exploding and there are dozens of reports of druggings, muggings, robberies, and just a general sense of danger. When places get as bad as Cartagena, let that location die. Stop going there. The girls will starve and they will quickly find the destination where the money is at. Even if it is out of the country. I see so many Colombians and Vennies all over Mexico and even United States. Dudes should not tolerate that shit. I know I won't ever go back to Cartagena after the shit I dealt with over the summer. When the money goes dry and the girls need a new location, I suspect word will get out and their behavior will be more tolerable.

And absolutely don't leave shit out to get stolen or other rookie mistakes. Personally, I would rather shell out a few more dollars and enjoy my self without having to worry so much about the shady stuff, but if you got to play cheap and dangerous, at least be smart about it. Bottom line, Pick a safer destination even if it is a bit more expensive.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2785537]There's no reason to hit up Cartagena when many other options are available and they are far less dangerous. Especially if you are solo.[/QUOTE]What would you recommend for a solo traveler?

I've been going to Cartagena for 16 years now. More in the last 7 then previous. So since 2007 it has changed drastically, and so has this hobby.

These forums kind of existed before, but now we have instagram, twitter, tik tok and YouTube. You see videos from just seconds ago and they go everywhere. This like everything else has so much more exposure than ever before.

So what I'm getting to is there's a shitload of rookies. I personally know someone who's married two of these girls already and still doesn't get it! You can get drugged in Miami also picking up a girl from the bar at blue martini because she's going to walk away with your watch later too. That's everywhere. It's a game for sure. It is part of this. Unless you're in a place like maybe Thailand where it's sooooooo widely accepted; this will always have its risks.

I am not hearing about the average tourist having issues. Officials won't allow it. They just got a big private investment to increase the size of the current airport and next year will likely announce a new huge one. The port and cruises are busier than ever!

I am sure they turn a blind eye when it's someone in this community because they hope we go away.

So in conclusion, sure you can avoid it. Or you can enjoy Cartagena for the nice city it is. Be smart. Don't be out 2, 3 am partying. Take the party back to your place or.

Neighborhood instead. There's plenty of little restaurants allllll over that will serve beer to a group gladly. Shit stop and get a small bottle on the way for shots or easy mixed drink. Then you can just walk 100'ft to your hotel or apartment.

And like I stated before. Watch yourself. It's not difficult.

[QUOTE=TravelingTime;2787063]What would you recommend for a solo traveler?[/QUOTE]Your asking for advice, so I am going to assume you are new to the game and have poor Spanish. If you are on a budget, Hit Medellin up, but stay away from the online stuff. No Tinder, No Seeking. It's just unnecessary for a weekend or even 2 week vacation. Hit the strip clubs up and get numbers and if you can budget it, just fuck them on site. Fase Dos and La Isla will give you all you need. If you don't want to spend the money, play the game and get numbers and negotiate a lower price later. Do not fuck with the street walkers. If you can afford a plane ticket, you can afford to avoid dirt cheap street walkers, although the diamonds in the rough are out there. The thing is, it's just an unnecessary risk. Hit Gustos up and get numbers, those girls will be less likely to pull shady shit, but its possible they could so plan accordingly.

If you have the cash and especially if you speak Spanish, the big three of Mexico are all better. CDMX, GDL, and Monterrey. Well maybe not CDMX unless you want to do seeking for 2 weeks ahead of time and line dates up.

If you want a beach vacation and have cash, I would argue Mazatlan and Puerto Vallarta are better due to safety, but your options for girls will be limited there.

If you want beach weather and Casino action and have a large budget, My favorite is Panama City. Ocean Casino Bar is safe and the girls were very attractive. Be prepared to drop 2-3 hundred a girl though. I heard there are some other good spots like Habano's, but I personally have not been there.

If you want beach, grittyness, and the urban vibe, Sosua is an experience you won't forget. Yes, I would pick Sosua over Cartagena, but I could see some guys choosing Cartagena because the girls on average are more attractive there. Real danger is not really present in Sosua in terms of druggings and scams and shit like that. You do need to chica proof your room if you bring a girl back though. I also have not been to the Sue post-covid, but from what I have gathered, the only difference is Classicos is closed and the girls are charging a bit more. Nothing like a cold Presidente with the napkin wrap.

I can't comment on Brazil, but check the Brazil forums because I hear many goods things about that country as well.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2787142].....If you have the cash and especially if you speak Spanish, the big three of Mexico are all better. CDMX, GDL, and Monterrey......[/QUOTE]I would say safer but why better?

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2787142]Your asking for advice, so I am going to assume you are new to the game and have poor Spanish. If you are on a budget, Hit Medellin up, but stay away from the online stuff. No Tinder, No Seeking. It's just unnecessary for a weekend or even 2 week vacation. Hit the strip clubs up and get numbers and if you can budget it, just fuck them on site. Fase Dos and La Isla will give you all you need. If you don't want to spend the money, play the game and get numbers and negotiate a lower price later. Do not fuck with the street walkers. If you can afford a plane ticket, you can afford to avoid dirt cheap street walkers, although the diamonds in the rough are out there. The thing is, it's just an unnecessary risk. Hit Gustos up and get numbers, those girls will be less likely to pull shady shit, but its possible they could so plan accordingly.

If you have the cash and especially if you speak Spanish, the big three of Mexico are all better. CDMX, GDL, and Monterrey. Well maybe not CDMX unless you want to do seeking for 2 weeks ahead of time and line dates up.

If you want a beach vacation and have cash, I would argue Mazatlan and Puerto Vallarta are better due to safety, but your options for girls will be limited there.

If you want beach weather and Casino action and have a large budget, My favorite is Panama City. Ocean Casino Bar is safe and the girls were very attractive. Be prepared to drop 2-3 hundred a girl though. I heard there are some other good spots like Habano's, but I personally have not been there.

If you want beach, grittyness, and the urban vibe, Sosua is an experience you won't forget. Yes, I would pick Sosua over Cartagena, but I could see some guys choosing Cartagena because the girls on average are more attractive there. Real danger is not really present in Sosua in terms of druggings and scams and shit like that. You do need to chica proof your room if you bring a girl back though. I also have not been to the Sue post-covid, but from what I have gathered, the only difference is Classicos is closed and the girls are charging a bit more. Nothing like a cold Presidente with the napkin wrap.

I can't comment on Brazil, but check the Brazil forums because I hear many goods things about that country as well.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that info, and you are pretty on target about me. New to the game, spanish is poor but I'm very motivated to improve it. I'm not looking to save pennies on "the talent" - I would prefer better looking / more chilled out girls. Maybe I should split my time between Cartegena and Medellin (except the strip club scene isn't really me. Not much of a drinker or a late night kind of person).

Again. Thank you for the guidance. Much appreciated!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2787280]I would say safer but why better?[/QUOTE]Safer=better.

Do you really want to worry about a girl drugging or robbing you the whole time you are with her? Do you want to be harassed for money every time you step out of a club? Yes Cartagena is cheaper and there is more access to women, but the hoops you have to jump through to play the game there is just rediculous. You can't even bring a girl back to 95% of the hotels in the city.

Hey guys,

Wanted to get some veteran insights on something that happened to me this morning. Basically I'm travelling to Cartagena soon and wanted to start chatting up some of the girls out there. So I went on Skokka and started chatting with a girl. Only a couple of short conversations via WhatsApp. This morning I received a message on my WhatsApp from her demanding money or she will post my pic with a header that I don't pay girls in Spanish. The person is threatening to send it all over social media unless I help her / them financially. I told them to go ahead as I have nothing to hide in my life. I didn't send any messages or pics or anything even remotely inappropriate nor have I even travelled to Cartagena yet. She used my WhatsApp photo to make the poster.

This isn't a huge deal for me. I'm 3000 miles away in my cozy apartment but it definitely has given me pause about the game out there. For the record, I only messaged this one girl and after the fact told myself how stupid it was but didn't think anything of it until this morning.

Any thoughts (aside from me being a total ******* for even doing this shit)?

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2787400]Safer=better.

Do you really want to worry about a girl drugging or robbing you the whole time you are with her? Do you want to be harassed for money every time you step out of a club? Yes Cartagena is cheaper and there is more access to women, but the hoops you have to jump through to play the game there is just rediculous. You can't even bring a girl back to 95% of the hotels in the city.[/QUOTE]To add to your post.

When the Gingos limits themselves to the same damn 3 clubs (Space, Dolce, Delirium), the same damn beach (Playa Hollywood Kiosk #4) the same damn area in the Clocktower (Mirador, and El Portal), the same damn hotels in Boca Grande and El Laguito well then of course this will be the majority of their experience. There are many other places the gringo can go where they will not experience this.

I'm currently here, zero worries about drugging, have not heard a single "tengo hambre" or "dame plata por favor" "or "pamper or milk for baby". All my girls can come and go as they please Why? Because I'm sticking with girls I've known for years and we are going places where the youtubers aren't. I also have a AirBB with no security.

I've told people many times on forums, whatsapp groups, and in person that if they go to these places in Cartagena then this will be their experience and of course they don't listen, proceed to watch a few youtube videos, go there and try to emulate what they saw in the video, then come back and complain about the bad experience like they were not warned by multiple people.

[QUOTE=LobLaws;2787636]Hey guys,

Wanted to get some veteran insights on something that happened to me this morning. Basically I'm travelling to Cartagena soon and wanted to start chatting up some of the girls out there. So I went on Skokka and started chatting with a girl. Only a couple of short conversations via WhatsApp. This morning I received a message on my WhatsApp from her demanding money or she will post my pic with a header that I don't pay girls in Spanish. The person is threatening to send it all over social media unless I help her / them financially. I told them to go ahead as I have nothing to hide in my life. I didn't send any messages or pics or anything even remotely inappropriate nor have I even travelled to Cartagena yet. She used my WhatsApp photo to make the poster.

This isn't a huge deal for me. I'm 3000 miles away in my cozy apartment but it definitely has given me pause about the game out there. For the record, I only messaged this one girl and after the fact told myself how stupid it was but didn't think anything of it until this morning.

Any thoughts (aside from me being a total ******* for even doing this shit)?[/QUOTE]Damn they got you before you even landed!

Did you do your due diligence by getting her social media accounts or video chatting them to make sure its actually that person you were talking to?

If you didn't talk about anything bad in the chat like P4P you can report the messages in the chat to WhatsApp and let them block the person. Of course, it may not do anything, but it will at least cause them a little inconvenience to get a new number.

They are really gearing up for Carnival! Lots of Pappaya incoming.

Glad to hear you're having a stress free enjoyable time there! I really think it's these guys that are rookies or just dumb. This shit happens everywhere. You don't hear about it too much because it involves a hobby not approved by most, so they hope it scares us away and puts an end to it.

Don't be stupid! I mean traveling solo anywhere you should watch your back. Europe. Asia. South America. It doesn't matter. And doing what we do just adds that much more risk.

I still fully intend on going in mid April. Staying at the same place I always do. Clean. Safe. Ocean front. Easy and accommodating.

It's not difficult to find a place that allows you to bring a guest back. You just have to know.

I feel this is a hobby you need to be introduced to properly. Or be someone who really researches. Watching these yahoos on YouTube they have zero clue.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2787400]Safer=better.

Do you really want to worry about a girl drugging or robbing you the whole time you are with her? Do you want to be harassed for money every time you step out of a club? Yes Cartagena is cheaper and there is more access to women, but the hoops you have to jump through to play the game there is just rediculous. You can't even bring a girl back to 95% of the hotels in the city.[/QUOTE]I have not been to Cartagena but have made several trips to Medellin which some say is more dangerous. My sexual exploits in Medellin have been much more thrilling that those in Tijuana.

[QUOTE=LobLaws;2787636]Hey guys,

Wanted to get some veteran insights on something that happened to me this morning. Basically I'm travelling to Cartagena soon and wanted to start chatting up some of the girls out there. So I went on Skokka and started chatting with a girl. Only a couple of short conversations via WhatsApp. This morning I received a message on my WhatsApp from her demanding money or she will post my pic with a header that I don't pay girls in Spanish. The person is threatening to send it all over social media unless I help her / them financially. I told them to go ahead as I have nothing to hide in my life. I didn't send any messages or pics or anything even remotely inappropriate nor have I even travelled to Cartagena yet. She used my WhatsApp photo to make the poster.

This isn't a huge deal for me. I'm 3000 miles away in my cozy apartment but it definitely has given me pause about the game out there. For the record, I only messaged this one girl and after the fact told myself how stupid it was but didn't think anything of it until this morning.

Any thoughts (aside from me being a total ******* for even doing this shit)?[/QUOTE]Ignore it. It is funny these third world fucktards think the typically American run social media companies are there to promote their blackmail schemes. If they do post anything negative on you, ask the social media company to take it down and flag their account. If these assholes actually do post, they have probably done it to other guys too.

If you play the game long enough, you will have the social media threat, the underage threat, or the "I am pregnant and need money to take care of it" line. Take the social media threat as a badge of honor for playing the game.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2787951]Ignore it. It is funny these third world fucktards think the typically American run social media companies are there to promote their blackmail schemes. If they do post anything negative on you, ask the social media company to take it down and flag their account. If these assholes actually do post, they have probably done it to other guys too.

If you play the game long enough, you will have the social media threat, the underage threat, or the "I am pregnant and need money to take care of it" line. Take the social media threat as a badge of honor for playing the game.[/QUOTE]LMAO! Thanks for the good words, Elvis. Will do if they post anything fucked up, hopefully they don't. As mentioned, I was super respectful and didn't talk price or services or anything like that. Honestly just "Hi my name is Loblaws, I'm coming down soon and would love to meet you, etc".

At Nypher. I honestly didn't think to do any of that but will insist going forward. Although I don't think I'll be using Skokka again and will probably just hit the ground and do the whole cold approach when I'm there. Some of those girls on Skokka are looking fucking beautiful, though.

[QUOTE=LobLaws;2787636]Hey guys,

Wanted to get some veteran insights on something that happened to me this morning. Basically I'm travelling to Cartagena soon and wanted to start chatting up some of the girls out there. So I went on Skokka and started chatting with a girl. Only a couple of short conversations via WhatsApp. This morning I received a message on my WhatsApp from her demanding money or she will post my pic with a header that I don't pay girls in Spanish. The person is threatening to send it all over social media unless I help her / them financially. I told them to go ahead as I have nothing to hide in my life. I didn't send any messages or pics or anything even remotely inappropriate nor have I even travelled to Cartagena yet. She used my WhatsApp photo to make the poster.

This isn't a huge deal for me. I'm 3000 miles away in my cozy apartment but it definitely has given me pause about the game out there. For the record, I only messaged this one girl and after the fact told myself how stupid it was but didn't think anything of it until this morning.

Any thoughts (aside from me being a total ******* for even doing this shit)?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2787951]Ignore it. It is funny these third world fucktards think the typically American run social media companies are there to promote their blackmail schemes. If they do post anything negative on you, ask the social media company to take it down and flag their account. If these assholes actually do post, they have probably done it to other guys too.

If you play the game long enough, you will have the social media threat, the underage threat, or the "I am pregnant and need money to take care of it" line. Take the social media threat as a badge of honor for playing the game.[/QUOTE]I don't get along with Elvis and we argue all the time. But this time he is spot on. Just ignore her empty threats, don't even dignify it with a response. Where does she / he / it think they are going to post it? On FB? Well that would expose their account and you should report it as Elvis suggested. If you really are feeling feisty report the post and aftermath to Skkoka.

Glad I'm not the only one who hides the knives. LOL I go as far as bringing decoy items and if they go for the bait then I just adjust accordingly.

You'd be surprised at the amount of people who just travel with no preplanned research.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2786788]I really feel like what's going on is due to an over saturation of rookies in this hobby! I mean. I've been doing this most my adult life and I'm sure I'm still below the average age here. Starting in Costa Rica, sampled in Guatemala. Ecuador. Peru. Thailand. Amsterdam, Colombia. Maybe I've really done my research over the years and learned?

If you have a chick over, how do you leave anything out where she can get it. Fuck I even hide kitchen knives! Quick sweep through when I get to the apartment first. Have everything ready. Come back to apartment. Everything goes straight to safe except cell. I go to bathroom I take the cell with me. I have a drink, I finish it or take it with me.

Always deadbolt the door too.

Carry a copy of your passport. Tip the doormen and security. Make them your buddies. Don't get in a car with someone else. Take your taxi or Uber. Don't walk around with phone in hand. Don't wear flashy stuff. If using tinder or something don't put flashy pics. Know where you're going, look at where you're going and familiarize yourself first so you don't get lost down a dark street.

I feel like this should all be common sense.[/QUOTE]

Hello Guys,

Hope everyone is having a good weekend. Do you guys have any thoughts on hiring a tour guide for my first visit in April? I saw a video of this dude called "Danger the hook up" with barberworld (channel on YouTube). Prior to all this crazy shot going down I wouldn't even think of it, but still wondering if it might be worth the cost.

Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=LobLaws;2788024]LMAO! Thanks for the good words, Elvis. Will do if they post anything fucked up, hopefully they don't.[/QUOTE]How would you even know unless they send it to you? I have said before that nobody has seen a rash of postings on their social media saying this guy did such and such. If these were not empty threats then postings as such would be in the millions and would make news stories all over. They do not know you from a can of paint. Folks are not just taking random pictures and saying this guy did this. What are the chances even that anyone you know will see some obscure post from a stranger from the other side of the planet? No need to scare that easily.

[QUOTE=FlappyGilmore0;2788107]You'd be surprised at the amount of people who just travel with no preplanned research.[/QUOTE]No. I would not because everytime I travel with a woman this is the exact scenario. All they do is show up. In August I told my girlfriend that we are going to Tahiti in February. Arrived in Tahiti and hopped in a rental car and I said where to? She said the beach. I said which one? She had not looked up a damned thing. Tired of this BS. After 6 years I think I am calling it quits.

Meanwhile, my dad had been to Thailand 3 times. Took him again at the end of November. Hit the ground and asked him where he wanted to go. He was like a deer in headlights as if he had never been to the place a day in his life.

[QUOTE=LobLaws;2788614]Do you guys have any thoughts on hiring a tour guide for my first visit in April? I saw a video of this dude called "Danger the hook up" with barberworld (channel on YouTube). [/QUOTE]Why not just go on tripadvisor and look up things to do or see and take a taxi to those places if you do not rent a car?

[QUOTE=LobLaws;2788614]Hello Guys,

Hope everyone is having a good weekend. Do you guys have any thoughts on hiring a tour guide for my first visit in April? I saw a video of this dude called "Danger the hook up" with barberworld (channel on YouTube). Prior to all this crazy shot going down I wouldn't even think of it, but still wondering if it might be worth the cost.

Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]Cartagena is a small place. You can go everywhere in taxi. Do not need a tour guide. I have walked to many places day and night especially inside the walled city. Tour guide may or may not help you with the girls. There are girls everywhere. Just negotiate and have a good time. There are lots of tours available including to islands if you like. In Cartagena money talks. You are not likely to find GFE girls. There are couple of beaches where you can go and enjoy. Touts are everywhere if that is your thing who will get you girls for an exorbitant price. For the first trip just go and see. If you like the place you will know what to do next time.

[QUOTE=LobLaws;2788614]Hello Guys,

Hope everyone is having a good weekend. Do you guys have any thoughts on hiring a tour guide for my first visit in April? I saw a video of this dude called "Danger the hook up" with barberworld (channel on YouTube). Prior to all this crazy shot going down I wouldn't even think of it, but still wondering if it might be worth the cost.

Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]Hey man, I was in the same boat as you before my first trip, hitting up all these girls on social media and crap, wondering about tour guides, etc. Honestly, I don't get the social media aspect when you're in Cartagena- you will see, get a feel, and be able to talk in person to HUNDREDS OF GIRLS wanting to hook up with you. Drop the social media garbage and stop getting caught up in virtual threats and virtual beggars. Regarding tours, the tourist part of the city is so small you can taxi everywhere in under 20 minutes- so don't even stress about that. Only two other things you need to know, 1. Do not walk or lurk around in the walled city by yourself aimlessly with any sort of jewelry or watches on, and 2. Get a airbnb, contact the host and make sure they allow visitors. You don't really need much else advice, enjoy the trip, enjoy the first time experience of finding things out on your own- it's half the fun and excitement- have a safe trip.

Any one else see all the soda bottles with urine in them along the roadway? And alot of street corners smell like piss too. Cab drivers don't even want to stop and piss, so they pee in a soda bottle, screw the cap back on, and throw it out the window, along the curbs. Disgusting.

The launches bring annoying venders from the island to Laguito every morning. One drop off zone is right near the Hilton Hotel. The other drop off zone is a couple blocks from the old Dolce Vida location, by the Fish restaurant. Just stand in those locations and you will get mobbed as they are trying to hit every tourist many times. Like flies and mosquitos. In your Face!

I stayed in Boca Grande this trip and there were very few Venders there.

[QUOTE=AcesOnTheRiver;2789812]Hey man, I was in the same boat as you before my first trip, hitting up all these girls on social media and crap, wondering about tour guides, etc. Honestly, I don't get the social media aspect when you're in Cartagena- you will see, get a feel, and be able to talk in person to HUNDREDS OF GIRLS wanting to hook up with you. Drop the social media garbage and stop getting caught up in virtual threats and virtual beggars. Regarding tours, the tourist part of the city is so small you can taxi everywhere in under 20 minutes- so don't even stress about that. Only two other things you need to know, 1. Do not walk or lurk around in the walled city by yourself aimlessly with any sort of jewelry or watches on, and 2. Get a airbnb, contact the host and make sure they allow visitors. You don't really need much else advice, enjoy the trip, enjoy the first time experience of finding things out on your own- it's half the fun and excitement- have a safe trip.[/QUOTE]Bro, this post is the weirdest thing. My buddy was telling me today this trip is literally all I've been talking about for the last month. I went ahead and cancelled my Colombian Cupid Account, as well, before logging on here and seeing this post tonight. I took a new job roughly 15 months ago and have been working my ass off ever since. Normally I travel at least once a year for a few weeks on a mongering trip. This time I'm seeing how really addictive they can become because I'm clearly obsessing a bit. Anyways, I do appreciate your post, bro. Thank you, man. I just need to relax and take it as it comes. I'm all set on accommodations. I have a guest friendly el laguito apartment locked down. I'm not one for jewellery but will be travelling solo. Any aimless walking will be in the day within the tourist district.

Been here since December. Leaving this summer. Loving living here. Good food and quiet living. Hope y’all are staying safe!

Colombitalia Arepas are top notch cheap eats in Getsemani. The restaurant not the stand.

[QUOTE=LobLaws;2788614]Hello Guys,

Hope everyone is having a good weekend. Do you guys have any thoughts on hiring a tour guide for my first visit in April? I saw a video of this dude called "Danger the hook up" with barberworld (channel on YouTube). Prior to all this crazy shot going down I wouldn't even think of it, but still wondering if it might be worth the cost.

Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]You can reach out to OneFireboy. Not a tour guide but can help you with if you don't speak Spanish, have good non pro college girls and also can assist you with other tours. Very helpful person. He does not promote or market to much but a very useful person in Cartagena. Some ISG guy I meet also contact him whenever they are in Cartagena And are very happy. He can be your friend in CTG and can take you to nice clubs where there are less gringos.

So after about a week and a half being locked in with Dolce chica just doing local spots, restaurants, movies (surprised the shit out of me it was English audio with Spanish subtitles) she left to meet her high paying gringo and decided to hit the beach just for fun. Why didn't anyone report most of the beach is closed along Boca Grande? Looks like they are doing a huge sewer installation with pipes. Took me 20 minutes to get there from Centro with all the roadside construction along Cara 1.

After carrera 10 construction stops but at that point I lost interest. And just did a beer and walked around until something catches my eye.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2790072]Been here since December. Leaving this summer. Loving living here. Good food and quiet living. Hope yall are staying safe!

Colombitalia Arepas are top notch cheap eats in Getsemani. The restaurant not the stand.[/QUOTE]I can agree. Don't do any of the stands! Last time I did that I was shitting for about 3 days until one of my chicas hit me with the Lomotil. It never felt so good to take a solid shit again.

I'm here for a month, came early for carnival, if your going I hope you got your tickets early managed to get 2 multi day passes for 400 K each but the are scalping them now for 700 K a piece.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2790152]Why didn't anyone report most of the beach is closed along Boca Grande? Looks like they are doing a huge sewer installation with pipes. Took me 20 minutes to get there from Centro with all the roadside construction along Cara 1.

After carrera 10 construction stops but at that point I lost interest. And just did a beer and walked around until something catches my eye.[/QUOTE]I was not sure how long that was going on. I was on the scooter and noticed they had closed the road and were just down to one lane. I thought it might have just been for a day or so, but I guess not. Yeah, it is going to delay getting in and out of Bocagrande for sure. When you enter Bocagrande, you sure as hell do not want to come in or go out on the road next to the beach.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2790072]Been here since December. Leaving this summer. Loving living here. Good food and quiet living. Hope yall are staying safe!

Colombitalia Arepas are top notch cheap eats in Getsemani. The restaurant not the stand.[/QUOTE]I can agree. Don't do any of the stands! Last time I did that I was shitting for about 3 days until one of my chicas hit me with the Lomotil. It never felt so good to take a solid shit again.

I'm here for a month, came early for carnival, if your going I hope you got your tickets early managed to get 2 multi day passes for 400 K each but the are scalping them now for 700 K a piece.

Just a quick report.

Last night on the way to El Laguito the cops set up a check point why that police station where El Laguito and Boca Grande meets where the road changes to 1 way.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/No1C7hmy9MZEcCLp8?g_st=ic[/URL]

Now, stupid ass me was walking around with $600 while constantly procrastinating on changing it out cause the rate was increasing and I was parting with one of my chicas and her friend till 2 am. I also had about 500 k in pesos.

We took a taxi from Getsemeni to El Laguito, 4 Cops pulled over the taxi and told all of us to get out the car. Patted me down, emptied my pockets and they saw the money, took both girls out the car and searched their bags. While I'm in the back of the taxi by the trunk being searched another cop searched the back of the taxi. Came to me and said "problema". Shows me a bag of white stuff and said coca. Now I don't do that shit and none of my girls do it as well. I already know where this shit is going, my girl starts arguing with the cop, they take my ID and both my chicas. Since they both Venezuelan they threatened to take them to Migration, but I know my girl here legally since she have a Cedula and the other have a Venezuelan ID.

I asked them where they found it cause it wasn't on any of us and they said in the back seat. I already know where it's going.

I pull one cop aside and start negotiating to make it go away. My girl over there arguing crazy loud with the other 3 cops. Then they arrest her and her friend and and said everyone is getting fined and going to jail. I pull my girl aside calm her down, pull the cop aside start negotiating again.

They said $100 per person. They after I paid they had the nerve to say they are letting us go because we are good people. SMH.

Don't be me, let my $300 extortion be your lesson.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2790152]Looks like they are doing a huge sewer installation with pipes. Took me 20 minutes to get there from Centro with all the roadside construction along Cara 1.[/QUOTE]I know the roads but not their names, so I had to look them up. So you want to come into Bocagrande on Carerra 2 and leave on Carerra 5/4/3 (4 and 5 eventually merge into 3). Stay the hell away from Carerra 1.

Don't pay. Call the cops 165 [URL]https://www.policia.gov.co/denuncia-virtual/extorsion[/URL].

Or the army [URL]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oL-4AXTo4u7Q_vR3bcnmf-OVJhgD6GZk/view[/URL].

[QUOTE=Questner;2790586]Don't pay. Call the cops 165 [URL]https://www.policia.gov.co/denuncia-virtual/extorsion[/URL].

Or the army [URL]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oL-4AXTo4u7Q_vR3bcnmf-OVJhgD6GZk/view[/URL].[/QUOTE]Good advice, while I can agree in that moment my thought process was: my bed was only 1 minute away, I'm with 2 hot Venezuelans about to have a threesome, it's our last night in Cartagena and all three of us are leaving in the morning for Barranquilla and I was not willing to spend any time in Colombian Jail.

I did take pictures of the cops without them noticing though, and hide them to require password.

[QUOTE=ElPapi;2790124]You can reach out to OneFireboy. Not a tour guide but can help you with if you don't speak Spanish, have good non pro college girls and also can assist you with other tours. Very helpful person. He does not promote or market to much but a very useful person in Cartagena. Some ISG guy I meet also contact him whenever they are in Cartagena And are very happy. He can be your friend in CTG and can take you to nice clubs where there are less gringos.[/QUOTE]ElPapi, Can you PM me the contact no for OneFireBoy, I will be in Cartagena tomorrow morning.

Thanks.

MachoMike.

My Delirium chica finished up with her high paying Gringo and decided to come over. We decided to get lunch in Getsemani.

Little to no Taxis in El Laguito so she gets an inDriver. On the way to Getsemni I see a long line of Taxis starting from the Military base and going to the clock tower. Asked her what's up, she said the Taxis are on strike.

She points to a taxi and tells me its a Colombians mans first love. I respond with, yes we all love our jobs even when we hate it. She says no and points again and that's when I noticed a decal of man fucking a goat on a taxi, and that's when I got it. We had a good little laugh about it.

Plerepleple,

Since you have the AirBnB already you should probably ask and if you get pushback then I would offer a bribe. As for the trans escort I'd take her to a short-time hotel. If you saw her in town and she looked like the pictures then great, but if you didn't really see her up close then I'd request a video chat. Whatever happens I hope you have a great time.

Plerepleple,

In regards to your AirBB, you need to first read the house rules you agreed to when you booked. If nothing is listed there in regards to visitors, then ask the host. If all else fails, just bring them and if the person on guard says something try working it out with them. Usually some beers, order them food or give them enough to get lunch / dinner.

In regards to the Trans, I don't know why the hell would someone put themselves in that position of going to a strangers house in another country who they just met but to each their own. I would suggest meeting them in an environment where you have control rather giving them the upper hand to surprise you with anything such as setting you up to be robbed when you leave their place.

[QUOTE=DontSayMuch;2792991]Since you have the AirBnB already you should probably ask and if you get pushback then I would offer a bribe. As for the trans escort I'd take her to a short-time hotel. If you saw her in town and she looked like the pictures then great, but if you didn't really see her up close then I'd request a video chat. Whatever happens I hope you have a great time.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the advice. Would you know by any chance a short time hotel in town?

Quick report.

Last night I went out just to see what's what. Mainly stayed standing by Hotel las Carretas as all the girls walk by there sooner or later when they walk the triangle.

I got about 10 numbers and they all spoke in dollars didn't want to talk in pesos. Even the Venezuelans didn't want pesos. Eventually 4 of the girls sent me this exact picture of their prices and I just block and delete their number.

Sticking to what's left of my usuals as a few of them went through the jungle and made it to America. 2 are in New York, I see 1 in New Jersey, 2 are pregnant by gringos and some are stuck in Mexico.

After this trip ends I'm taking a break or heading back to Aisa.

Went to Boca Grande Mall and got some shots of the crazy construction going on over there so others can see just how big the construction area is and to stay clear.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2792999]After this trip ends I'm taking a break or heading back to Aisa.[/QUOTE]Come on back. The water is fine! (Not my pic. From Flexx pool party.).

[QUOTE=Plerepleple;2792998]Thank you for the advice. Would you know by any chance a short time hotel in town?[/QUOTE]The Trans will know a place but if not, you can take them to Hotel El Viajero Centro. Its on the same street as the KFC.

Well that sucks, the price is ridiculous. The principle alone would make me stay away from those girls. Can't blame them though. It's dumb gringos I know speaking to them in USD that got this started.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2792999]Quick report.

Last night I went out just to see what's what. Mainly stayed standing by Hotel las Carretas as all the girls walk by there sooner or later when they walk the triangle.

I got about 10 numbers and they all spoke in dollars didn't want to talk in pesos. Even the Venezuelans didn't want pesos. Eventually 4 of the girls sent me this exact picture of their prices and I just block and delete their number.

Sticking to what's left of my usuals as a few of them went through the jungle and made it to America. 2 are in New York, I see 1 in New Jersey, 2 are pregnant by gringos and some are stuck in Mexico.

After this trip ends I'm taking a break or heading back to Aisa.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2793010]Went to Boca Grande Mall and got some shots of the crazy construction going on over there so others can see just how big the construction area is and to stay clear.[/QUOTE]Is Hollywood Beach still open.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2793064]Come on back. The water is fine! (Not my pic. From Flexx pool party.).[/QUOTE]I usually avoid the heavily tattoed women, not my thing LOL. I also usually avoid Flexx, too much Delirium vibes. 808 is usually where I hunt, more space, no beer bellies rubbing up against me and if shit happens I don't have to trample anyone down those steps to get out LOL.

Its totally ridiculous here right now. I haven't stepped a single foot inside any of the three clubs so far and not planning to.

[QUOTE=Lebyteme;2793160]Is Hollywood Beach still open.[/QUOTE]Yes its still open but the problem is that now, everyone is pushed to that area. I went there for lunch last Sunday and saw a few new things. (not going back for the rest of the trip).

Everyone is concentrated to Kiosk 4 now. So while eating, the usual constant harassment from vendors, massage ladies and beggars is increased but the new annoyance is the damn little kids coming up to you, and tapping you asking for food and money, the same stupid shit they did outside Delirium.

Everyone is competing for the gringos and makes the experience more uncomfortable, the only ones I see liking all the extra attention are the brothers who feel like superstars constantly waving over chicas to get numbers.

Those quoted prices are way too high. I was walking home from dinner last week, and a few muchachas stopped me to ply their wares. I was quoted 250 k per hour. No one said dollars.

And 250 is actually a premium. I got two regulars from Skokka for 150 k two shots and they make love to me. I love to say about Cartagena, "If you bend over, they will * you".

Those ladies know a tourist when they see one, and they are adjusting their prices to take advantage of your ignorance. That is by no means the market rate. They would starve trying to charge dollars for everyone.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2793283]Those quoted prices are way too high... And 250 is actually a premium.[/QUOTE]I quite agree. My usual price ceiling for the plaza del Reloj is 250 mil, but I start from 200 mil. Some agree on 200. But strange things happen. Just yesterday I met 2 Venezolanas on the street in the walled city. They were quite good. I would have taken one of them, but they said they charged 400 mil (minimum for each of them. And they were newcomers, came here just 8 days ago. They don't yet know prices? I said that I didn't have such money (actually I wasn't ready to go that high). Usually chicks bargain and we could agree on 250, but they didn't make any effort.

[QUOTE=Peter74;2794153]I quite agree. My usual price ceiling for the plaza del Reloj is 250 mil, but I start from 200 mil. Some agree on 200. But strange things happen. Just yesterday I met 2 Venezolanas on the street in the walled city. They were quite good. I would have taken one of them, but they said they charged 400 mil (minimum for each of them. And they were newcomers, came here just 8 days ago. They don't yet know prices? I said that I didn't have such money (actually I wasn't ready to go that high). Usually chicks bargain and we could agree on 250, but they didn't make any effort.[/QUOTE]Saying they just arrived is a common lie that these ladies use to make them seem more fresh. The ladies don't typically start at Torre de Reloj since the pimps tend to control who goes where. They start at a casa where the guests and the girls are controlled. Then, with some experience, they move to Torre. They train these girls in a few English words and how to set prices.

They pretend they don't know prices in the hope that you would actually pay more. These girls are uneducated, but they are not stupid. They charged you 400 because you are obviously foreign. I don't play down there anymore because I look foreign too. I just speak costeo Spanish, so they know I'm here often enough. The only way to get around the gringo tax is to learn Spanish or get a Colombian friend to negotiate for you. Usually these girls, ignoring the best looking ones, charge 100 k in the barrios they are staying in for an incall to locals. Sometimes less.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2794347]The ladies don't typically start at Torre de Reloj since the pimps tend to control who goes where.[/QUOTE]Usually we talk quite a lot while going to the hotel and back. Sometimes I take the same girl a few times, sometimes I spend with the same girl a few days in a hotel. They never mention any pimps. They tell their stories and this topic of a pimp never pops up. Venezolanas are more concerned with the local police especially those who just arrived and don't have a passport (it costs about $250 in Venezuela) nor local cedula. Police would check them and take all money they could find.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2794347]I don't play down there anymore because I look foreign too. I just speak costeo Spanish, so they know I'm here often enough.[/QUOTE]I do look like a foreigner they don't make mistake with me although I speak Spanish close to fluent. Before engaging in something more serious we usually have a chat. I put forward my conditions what and how we'll do the stuff. However this time a few unexpected things have happened. So, I decided to create an account and file a report so that the others would know. When I leave Cartagena I will post my stories, don't want to expose my identity while I am still here. Locals may monitor this forum as well.

By the way, forgot to mention. Prices on beer in DondeFidel went up from 8 mil to 10 (waiters complain that there are no tips and everything is more expensive now) just 2 days ago. And the old man who is always sitting in a chair half sleeping next to the wall in that open area outside is Fidel himself, the owner of the bar.

[QUOTE=Peter74;2794376]Usually we talk quite a lot while going to the hotel and back. Sometimes I take the same girl a few times, sometimes I spend with the same girl a few days in a hotel. They never mention any pimps. They tell their stories and this topic of a pimp never pops up. Venezolanas are more concerned with the local police especially those who just arrived and don't have a passport (it costs about $250 in Venezuela) nor local cedula. Police would check them and take all money they could find.


I do look like a foreigner they don't make mistake with me although I speak Spanish close to fluent. Before engaging in something more serious we usually have a chat. I put forward my conditions what and how we'll do the stuff. However this time a few unexpected things have happened. So, I decided to create an account and file a report so that the others would know. When I leave Cartagena I will post my stories, don't want to expose my identity while I am still here. Locals may monitor this forum as well.[/QUOTE]They don't mention pimps because you don't need to know about them. When they talk about where the live, they will usually mention roommates. Those roommates are other working girls. The pimp is the one who gets the room for them. If you ever go to the chicas outcalls in Torices or Bosque, they are sharing that place as a brothel. The pimp (male or other female prostitute) is taking a cut of their earnings.

They can hear your accent and tell you are a foreigner. If you are a foreigner in Cartagena, you must have money. This is the most expensive city in the country. Locals have a similar site to this in Spanish. I won't give names, but if you find a girl you like on Mileroticos and search her number on Google (without +57) you will find the place. They review girls there.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2792999]Quick report.

Last night I went out just to see what's what. Mainly stayed standing by Hotel las Carretas as all the girls walk by there sooner or later when they walk the triangle.

I got about 10 numbers and they all spoke in dollars didn't want to talk in pesos. Even the Venezuelans didn't want pesos. Eventually 4 of the girls sent me this exact picture of their prices and I just block and delete their number.

Sticking to what's left of my usuals as a few of them went through the jungle and made it to America. 2 are in New York, I see 1 in New Jersey, 2 are pregnant by gringos and some are stuck in Mexico.

After this trip ends I'm taking a break or heading back to Aisa.[/QUOTE]That's insane price bro. Not sure why CTG price hike so much. I go to Medellin more since the price is much lesser. I like the vibe of Cartagena but can't afford this price now. Will come back once the price are reasonable.

Since I didn't have much success with the first 2 chicas (I will probably tell the full story later), the third one was much better. Venezolana, quite pretty, never had children, so you can imagine that her chocha was quite tight. And very hot in bed, when I have come, she manages to come twice. She's new in town without proper documents and didn't even know where La plaza de la Trinidad was, so next day we had to meet at the Clock tower, the only place she knew.

We met every day for 5 days straight, sometimes twice per day and by now I unloaded more than 1,5 million pesos in her purse. Not counting paying for restaurants (including very good ones like San Nicolas) and taxi. I was seriously considering taking her for entire day on a trip to the islands (she charges $150 for the whole day) or something more serious.

At the end of our penultimate encounter she asked for 50 mil more in addition to the regular pay 250 mil. She said that she needed to meet her rent deadline pay. I knew that it was No-No thing and first didn't want to give her an advance but then I decided to go for some kind of an experiment. I was 50% sure that she is trying to screw me but 50% still believed in her common sense. Could she be so stupid? After all 50 mil ($12) is nothing for me and I could afford to spend it for an interesting scientific experiment.

Next day I gave her 200 mil saying that I paid 50 mil yesterday in advance. She made a surprised face and said that was a gift I gave her. I insisted that I wasn't stupid and remember very well her rent problem. She insisted on her version of events.

So, I gave her a choice: here is 50 mil and we won't see each other anymore, or she forgets the "gift" thing and we meet again. To my surprise she went for 50 mil. I think this is the closest what you can get as a definition of "cheap prostitute" (puta barata). Could she be that stupid? Yes she could and now I understand why they ended up priestesses of the most ancient profession and it's not always guilt of upbringing or place of birth or other unfavorable conditions.

Anyway, that was end of our relations, even though 50 mil is nothing for me; I don't tolerate dishonesty and monkey business.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2793262]Yes its still open but the problem is that now, everyone is pushed to that area. I went there for lunch last Sunday and saw a few new things. (not going back for the rest of the trip).

Everyone is concentrated to Kiosk 4 now. So while eating, the usual constant harassment from vendors, massage ladies and beggars is increased but the new annoyance is the damn little kids coming up to you, and tapping you asking for food and money, the same stupid shit they did outside Delirium.

Everyone is competing for the gringos and makes the experience more uncomfortable, the only ones I see liking all the extra attention are the brothers who feel like superstars constantly waving over chicas to get numbers.[/QUOTE]I've been down here the last 5 days. All the nuisance you talk about have always existed at Hollywood Beach. Nothing has changed.

Bring my trip to a close. The new hustle is additional tip on top of the included tip.

Now, every restaurant I go to, they always have either a service fee or propina on the receipt that's included automatically. Now on this trip multiple times at multiple places I've had the person whose in charge of the table tell me that the tip / service fee / propina that's on the receipt is not for them, but its for the restaurant and any cash tip I provide is for them. Like really? I'm paying with card, and my cash is for the chicas, taxi, and coconut guy when I see him.

Everyone got a hustle these days.

[QUOTE=Peter74;2794634]Since I didn't have much success with the first 2 chicas (I will probably tell the full story later), the third one was much better. Venezolana, quite pretty, never had children, so you can imagine that her chocha was quite tight. And very hot in bed, when I have come, she manages to come twice. She's new in town without proper documents and didn't even know where La plaza de la Trinidad was, so next day we had to meet at the Clock tower, the only place she knew.

We met every day for 5 days straight, sometimes twice per day and by now I unloaded more than 1,5 million pesos in her purse. Not counting paying for restaurants (including very good ones like San Nicolas) and taxi. I was seriously considering taking her for entire day on a trip to the islands (she charges $150 for the whole day) or something more serious.

At the end of our penultimate encounter she asked for 50 mil more in addition to the regular pay 250 mil. She said that she needed to meet her rent deadline pay. I knew that it was No-No thing and first didn't want to give her an advance but then I decided to go for some kind of an experiment. I was 50% sure that she is trying to screw me but 50% still believed in her common sense. Could she be so stupid? After all 50 mil ($12) is nothing for me and I could afford to spend it for an interesting scientific experiment.

Next day I gave her 200 mil saying that I paid 50 mil yesterday in advance. She made a surprised face and said that was a gift I gave her. I insisted that I wasn't stupid and remember very well her rent problem. She insisted on her version of events..[/QUOTE]A lot of these girls are so dumb when it comes to future prospects, they have no idea the difference between long term money and short term gain. Their mindset is "I'm young and a new gringo will always be at the clocktower to get more money from".

She literary gave up a chance to earn more money in the long run from a trusted client since you took her multiple times over 5 days over 50 mil. SMH.

Sooner or later she will message you and ask for money. Count on it.

50 k pesos is nothing for us, but it is a huge amount for the vast majority of Colombians. Most Colombians do not earn 50 k for an honest day's work. If you give a girl the option, she will take the money. You aren't going to marry her and take her out of the life, so she'll be a prostitute for the rest of her life as long as someone buys it. This is a business and her job is to screw you, literally and figuratively.

Unless you block her, the muchacha will definitely reach out to you to see if you're down to see her again. You decide if you want to, but principles here mean absolutely nothing. Leave your American sensibilities at home. This is dog eat dog, and everyone is going to try to get over on you. The waitress, the taxi driver, everyone. It's the culture here.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2794648]Bring my trip to a close. The new hustle is additional tip on top of the included tip.

Now, every restaurant I go to, they always have either a service fee or propina on the receipt that's included automatically. Now on this trip multiple times at multiple places I've had the person whose in charge of the table tell me that the tip / service fee / propina that's on the receipt is not for them, but its for the restaurant and any cash tip I provide is for them. Like really? I'm paying with card, and my cash is for the chicas, taxi, and coconut guy when I see him.

Everyone got a hustle these days.[/QUOTE]I always ask if the tip is included. Maybe it is because I am always out with my Colombian gal, but they have never pulled that stunt about "the tips do not go to me". I can see why it would work though and have many people fall for it.

I agree. Everyone has a hustle especially there.

[QUOTE=Peter74;2794634]Venezolana, quite pretty, never had children, so you can imagine that her chocha was quite tight.[/QUOTE]Uhh no I can't. How tight someone's vagina is has as much to do with them having children as the tightness of someone's asshole has to do with how many shits they take per day.

[QUOTE=Peter74;2794634]At the end of our penultimate encounter she asked for 50 mil more in addition to the regular pay 250 mil. She said that she needed to meet her rent deadline pay. I knew that it was No-No thing and first didn't want to give her an advance but then I decided to go for some kind of an experiment. Could she be that stupid?[/QUOTE]Experiment? Her the stupid one? You are buying pussy, not writing a psychology dissertation. I don't get the little games and tests with hookers. Keep it simple. Fuck them and pay them and repeat. Everybody knows the frog and scorpion story. They are there for money. If you want to test someone out then let it be a normal chick you are interested in and want to take things farther with, not someone you are paying to fuck. Stop trying to solve a mystery of something that is already cut and dry.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2794655]A lot of these girls are so dumb when it comes to future prospects, they have no idea the difference between long term money and short term gain.[/QUOTE]Chicks in Thailand are not asking for any tips. I merely drop them off the next morning and hand them their $30 and they say see you soon. No analyzing or PhD needed.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2794648]Now on this trip multiple times at multiple places I've had the person whose in charge of the table tell me that the tip / service fee / propina that's on the receipt is not for them, but its for the restaurant and any cash tip I provide is for them. Like really? [/QUOTE]I think that is true, or at least partially it is. Even in the US there was recently a court case that decided any type of service charge goes to the restaurant, not the server as you may logically think. And in places like Thailand, whatever you put inside of the book is to be shared amongst everyone, but what you put directly into a person's hand is personally for them.

I would randomly ask someone at a restaurant I am not eating at or a local customer or even a hotel receptionist to be sure. I don't think that Colombians are giving big tips like that anyway. They just tend to leave the pocket change if anything. But if you are going to a place where a lot of foreigners and tourists eat then they are probably expecting the tips to come the American way, like a significant percentage of the bill.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2794693]Leave your American sensibilities at home. This is dog eat dog, and everyone is going to try to get over on you. The waitress, the taxi driver, EVERYONE. It's the culture here.[/QUOTE]I suspect you are referring to it being the monger or tourist culture of Cartagena and not overall Colombian culture. My experience in Colombian culture is not at all of anyone trying to get over on me.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2794700]I always ask if the tip is included. Maybe it is because I am always out with my Colombian gal, but they have never pulled that stunt about "the tips do not go to me". I can see why it would work though and have many people fall for it.

I agree. Everyone has a hustle especially there.[/QUOTE]LOL guys, they more than likely don't get the tip! Now I'm definitely not saying you should be obligated to tip on top, my point is far from it, BUT I guarantee you they aren't lying or trying to hustle you when they say they don't get the tip. Most immigrant owned restaurants here in NYC and their bus boys, and waiters / waitresses (generally barely speak english) don't get tips. Immigrants (I. E. Indians and Chinese) keep their employees on a leash here. It's not the same as your local Applebees or Cheesecake factory. Therefore, It's not far fetched to think third world or second world countries, uneducated restaurant owners with a slave mentality and no labor laws enforced, don't pass their workers the tips. But again, I'm not saying you are obligated to go thru with the additional tip

Sorry to ask this here, but most of you know I've contributed in past with 3-4 trip reports (another coming first week of august hahaha) , so just wondering if anyone can help me out here as I got ignored in the RIO thread lol. I'm going there in a couple weeks, and all I want to know is if anyone knows similar spots to LDV and Space of Cartagena. I read about the termas, spas, strip clubs, etc. , but more interested in a LDV type setup.

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=AcesOnTheRiver;2794807]wondering if anyone can help me out here as I got ignored in the RIO thread lol. I'm going there in a couple weeks, and all I want to know is if anyone knows similar spots to LDV and Space of Cartagena. I read about the termas, spas, strip clubs, etc. , but more interested in a LDV type setup.[/QUOTE]If you had read the Rio thread you would know there is a place with pretty much the same name. Maybe that is why you were ignored.

[QUOTE=Peter74;2794634]....So, I gave her a choice: here is 50 mil and we won't see each other anymore, or she forgets the "gift" thing and we meet again. To my surprise she went for 50 mil.....[/QUOTE]A bird in the hand.

Last night while hanging out in El Portal my Delirium chica calls me, the only thing I understood was "amor ayudame", then I see all the text messages from her. She's with a group of guys that's with girls she don't trust, they are all about to go back to some big house to finish the night so she wants me to hold some money for her and she will pick it up in the morning, sure I don't mind. I tell her come over to Portal and give me the money because I'm with someone, she says she can't leave the club or the cops will steal from her. Apparently, some cops are walking around in by the clubs randomly searching girls and stealing money out of their purses.

I walk over, see cops walking around, go in the club and she comes down meets me by the bathroom, hands me some Euros and dollars and asks for 20 mil for taxi. I give her the 20, and head back to Portal to finish up with my chica, pay the bill, back to the apartment. Count it out, 400 Euros, 200 US, toss it in the safe and off to play in the jacuzzi with my chica.

She comes over over early morning, and we have a little chat.

I ask her why couldn't she just hold on to the money, she says the girls sometimes steal from each other when they are in large groups and she didn't know if any of them would steal from her.

I ask her what's up with the cops, she says they do that all the time, they will stop girls and steal from them. I tell her she's Colombian so she can report them, she says that will only make things bad for her and they do worse to the Venezuelans. So I tell her what happened to me that night next to Hotel Caribe and she says, the taxi drivers work with the cops late at night and when a gringo is in the car with multiple people, they will approach a check point and flash their lights to the cops to let them know there is a gringo in the car and they can make some money together.

Just part of the food chain I guess. Someone is always taking from someone.

Tonight's my last night, I fly out tomorrow so I'm just going to chill, nice dinner then rooftop bar in Getsemani.

Finally I decided to check out the famous Chica Linda Night Club. The cab driver loaded 30 mil right away; we agreed on 20. When we passed the Club, which I didn't recognize, he made a strange roundabout on the next block and came back on the opposite side of the road (Diagonal 21 is one way, so, he couldn't come back), pointing to the club. Obviously he knew the place because we were talking about it all the way there. I never understood his move.

I entered the venue at 8:30 pm. I was the first client there! Girls were already there, about 10 of them. I bought a beer (National 20 mil!) and sat at the counter. The girls were coming to me to say Hello, and represent themselves. Out of all 10 I could hardly consider 2 to be more or less bangable. I have remembered the name one of those 2, Sophia.

300 mil per half an hour, everything with condom, right there in the private room. I finished my drink and left this place. For half an hour no more clients came. I came back to the Clock tower for 15 mil.

Since the last 2 days I spent with the same girl, a tall Venezolana with body of a model and pretty face. One night we went to the restaurant at the 5th floor in the walled city. The place is called Townhouse. I just wanted to check the place; it looked interesting, although the meal wasn't that good. Below on the street it was very hot but there on the terraza the breeze was blowing and the site of the night city was spectacular. But for tonight I wanted a change. Although she called a few times but I didn't reply.

I was making circles in the walled city not seeing anything interesting. Where did all pretty girls go? I remember that before in my previous visits I could easily find a decent girl, now nothing. Soon I saw my model, she decided to come anyway. We chatted a bit. I said that I left a phone in house which was true, because I don't have service anyway.

I went to keep on looking and all of a sudden 3 French guys started talking to me in French. Why? Do I look like French? Actually French is my weakest out of 4 languages I speak. Being out of practice for a few months I could hardly explain them what's going on in town, where to pick up girls and what the prices are. I thought about my model. Since she came she might be interested in these French. But looks like she went some place and I didn't see her anymore. Language was coming back and I kept sharing knowledge of the city because for these guys that was their first night in town.

My model appeared, and I waved for her to approach. She came and obviously was interested in this company but guys didn't go for her. Looks like they came to just take a look and spend some time in a club not being ready for something more serious although they kept asking detail where to meet girls and what the prices were. Not getting any offers from the French company my Venezolana decided to get back home and we agreed to see each other in two days.

I decided to get down to business and started approaching girls for a chat. The first one was seemingly not interested in any deals. I saw her every day on the Clock tower plaza. She kept reading her phone not paying attention to prospective customers. Venezolana with quite pretty face, but rather heavy ass for my taste. I was pondering what's more important pretty face or slim look when she decided this problem for me. 450 mil! And that was her final and the only number. Where do they get these prices? Who told them that this was the price? But she is in town for a year and somebody must have paid that.

I went on and found another group of 3 Venezolanas. One wasn't bad at all. We started chatting and turned out that she does everything with a condom. That is not a good sign. Even if I don't need a blow job usually it means that in the bed she is not that hot and heavy. Actually she was ready for full service but for 450 mil? Why 450? I guess because this is about $100 and somebody told them that they were worth it. My Venezuelan model takes only 300 mil and for the whole night 600. And she's got everything and does everything!

I kept looking and encountered another group of Venezolanas. I chose one. She also started with 400 but I promptly lowered it to my usual 250 for full service. She showed me a hotel right there in the walled city. I checked price. 100 mil / hour! In my previous visit I stayed in a hotel in Boca Grande. I could invite "una acompañante" for 115 mil for entire day and night with breakfast and all facilities, which I did a few times.

So, we headed for my usual hotel "por horas" for 30 mil in Getsemani close to the park.

After we parted I spoke to a group of 3 young Colombianas being here on vacation from Barranquilla if you take their words for face value. One of them was quite good; I would have taken her if I hadn't been empty. But this is another puzzle. None of them want to go alone with me, only all 3 and the price for quadrosome (is this correct word?) was 800 mil. I explained that even one for me could be too much and I like just one of them, the tallest and the prettiest. She explained she wouldn't do blowjob alone only in the group. "Lo siento, chicas". She shouted "mariconita" in my back. Is this the right way to do business? I don't think so.

[QUOTE=Peter74;2795466]Since the last 2 days I spent with the same girl, a tall Venezolana with body of a model and pretty face. One night we went to the restaurant at the 5th floor in the walled city. The place is called Townhouse. I just wanted to check the place; it looked interesting, although the meal wasn't that good. Below on the street it was very hot but there on the terraza the breeze was blowing and the site of the night city was spectacular. But for tonight I wanted a change. Although she called a few times but I didn't reply.[/QUOTE]Town house is cool, I usually go there to get away from the crazies. I usually hang out over by the "***** where's my Champane" sign where the shallow pool is as its away from the edge that's too windy. Was there last week, super windy at night, my chica kept complaining how cold it was but she's the one who decided to dress like its 100 degrees outside. I always like the signs in the elevators but I never did inquire about the free drink. Sliders and fries are great, I can always recommend them. The funny thing is while we were up there we kept seeing these 4 search lights in the sky and tried to figure out where they were coming from only to go on a nice side adventure to find out it was VSOP and the club on top of Delirium that's always empty. SMH.

[QUOTE=Peter74;2795466]I was making circles in the walled city not seeing anything interesting. Where did all pretty girls go? I remember that before in my previous visits I could easily find a decent girl, now nothing. Soon I saw my model, she decided to come anyway. We chatted a bit. I said that I left a phone in house which was true, because I don't have service anyway.[/QUOTE]Allot of girls are being taken off the market for extended period of time and not being replaced fast enough by new ones. When I reported last year that some gringos were monopolizing chicas time by taking them weeks at a time, it was swept under the rug. But that's what I was seeing and still seeing now. They are flying them out to Cancun, Tulum, Mexico City, Ecuador, Punta Cana, Jamica, Italy, Paris, etc, its all over these chicas whatsapp status where they are. When these girls come back, they don't have to walk the street looking for a gringo because that gringo paid them well enough for them to be good for 6 months or that gringo is sending them money monthly.

[QUOTE=Peter74;2795466] I went on and found another group of 3 Venezolanas. One wasn't bad at all. We started chatting and turned out that she does everything with a condom. That is not a good sign. Even if I don't need a blow job usually it means that in the bed she is not that hot and heavy. Actually she was ready for full service but for 450 mil? Why 450? I guess because this is about $100 and somebody told them that they were worth it. My Venezuelan model takes only 300 mil and for the whole night 600. And she's got everything and does everything![/QUOTE]Yes, someone out there is actually paying that. I remember back in October I reported chicas that I knew for years who I always paid 200 mil per polvo now wanted 400 mil because people out there was paying them $100 an hour. And they now wanted condom everything when it was always no condom. I ended up telling most of them if they are going to charge me more and give me less ill find someone else, and I did with the help of a chica. These girls are getting good money in CTG, between my October and February visit, mostly all my chicas took off their braces and got veneers on top or both top and bottom, lipo on their stomachs so now its unrealistically hard and feels unnatural. One got a BBL and it looks good with clothes on but when clothes come off her ass looks like a plastic bag filled with rolled up socks. SMH.

[QUOTE=Peter74;2795466]After we parted I spoke to a group of 3 young Colombianas being here on vacation from Barranquilla if you take their words for face value. One of them was quite good; I would have taken her if I hadn't been empty. But this is another puzzle. None of them want to go alone with me, only all 3 and the price for quadrosome (is this correct word?) was 800 mil. I explained that even one for me could be too much and I like just one of them, the tallest and the prettiest. She explained she wouldn't do blowjob alone only in the group. "Lo siento, chicas". She shouted "mariconita" in my back. Is this the right way to do business? I don't think so.[/QUOTE]You were smart not to take on 3 by yourself.

Can confirm I'm getting quoted 100 - 150 k from the young chicas on Skokka. Mileroticos is much the same. I don't bother with the clubs or downtown in general anymore unless it's for ice cream.

Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Nypher;2790489]Just a quick report.

Last night on the way to El Laguito the cops set up a check point why that police station where El Laguito and Boca Grande meets where the road changes to 1 way.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/No1C7hmy9MZEcCLp8?g_st=ic[/URL]

Now, stupid ass me was walking around with $600 while constantly procrastinating on changing it out cause the rate was increasing and I was parting with one of my chicas and her friend till 2 am. I also had about 500 k in pesos.

We took a taxi from Getsemeni to El Laguito, 4 Cops pulled over the taxi and told all of us to get out the car. Patted me down, emptied my pockets and they saw the money, took both girls out the car and searched their bags. While I'm in the back of the taxi by the trunk being searched another cop searched the back of the taxi. Came to me and said "problema". Shows me a bag of white stuff and said coca. Now I don't do that shit and none of my girls do it as well. I already know where this shit is going, my girl starts arguing with the cop, they take my ID and both my chicas. Since they both Venezuelan they threatened to take them to Migration, but I know my girl here legally since she have a Cedula and the other have a Venezuelan ID.

I asked them where they found it cause it wasn't on any of us and they said in the back seat. I already know where it's going.

I pull one cop aside and start negotiating to make it go away. My girl over there arguing crazy loud with the other 3 cops. Then they arrest her and her friend and and said everyone is getting fined and going to jail. I pull my girl aside calm her down, pull the cop aside start negotiating again.

They said $100 per person. They after I paid they had the nerve to say they are letting us go because we are good people. SMH.

Don't be me, let my $300 extortion be your lesson.[/QUOTE]You are a wise man, Nypher. You handled the situation well, and getting out of that situation for $300 was a bargain.

Hey guys,

Just wanted to share my experience since I have been looking at some reports here that were useful.

First about myself, this is the 3rd time I come to Cartagena, mostly to practice kitesurf at la Boquilla during winter season for 1 month of holidays (when there is a lot of winds so it's a pretty nice spot) and with girls (either dating through Tinder or working girls) as a second "hobby". So I know a little bit of the scene and how it is working out even though I am not an expert. Since I am located a little bit outside the city (la boquilla is approx 15 min taxi from the center) I try to get girls using either websites (skodda, photoprepagos, mileroticos), dating app such as Tinder, or just on the real life directly in the clock tower / bars when I have the occasion to go in the center, a feedback on the different channels:

- real life: I have went once looking for girls on the center, usual spots, I didn't find a lot of pretty girls roaming around the clock towers so was quite disappointed. Then I went to Dolce Vita (which even increased their price for a beer, that must be the most expensive place to get a beer in Colombia) where there was a lot of girls, some were quite good looking, but all had this "I don't give a shit" attitude when I asked for their numbers. First time I get this feeling that the girls almost were not interesting? I feel like they are more interesting into guys that are a little bit less straightforward, probably because they feel like it will be easier to charge overpriced from less experienced guys? I although went to Space Club but the place looked quite depressing and the girls were all fat and not that good looking. In total I think I got 5/6 numbers from the streets and Dolce Vita, and when trying to discuss price I got quoted from 100 dollars to 200 dollars all speaking in dollars with minimal services. And none of them were ready to significantly negotiate the price below 400 k pesos even though they propose very basic services whereas from my previous trip I remember not having a lot of difficulties to negotiate 200/300 pesos for the hours. I believe that they don't have problems finding guys ready to pay the full 100 dollars price so they don't want to bother themselves with a 15 min taxi trip to my apartment.

- prepagos websites: was able to negotiate way better with quotes at around 200+taxis (I think girls working with internet are more willing to move around so it is not so much of a problem that I stay in la Boquilla) but it comes at the price of the usual fake accounts / traps / tricks to get money out of you, typically the very looking girl who charges below market but then demand you to prepay something with PayPal to "book" her. These are usually quite easy to spot and avoid. What is more difficult to prevent is the risk to get a girl that ends up being significantly less attractive than in their photos. I ended up meeting 3 girls, and so that you pretty much get the odds: one very good experience (pretty girl with good attitude), one average (girls that looks a little bit worse than in the photos but still good), and one bad (different girl than the photo, I suspect that there was an "agency" making the communication with whatsapp and the girl was not available so they just sent another one, the girl was not ugly and I was surprised so I did not refuse the meeting which is probably what I should have done).

- dating apps I think there are 3 king of profiles there:

- regular girls for non-paid dating: I met several but that is not the point here.

- working girls who will normally straight up say that they are looking for money and make it quite obvious. I met 2 which were 2 good experience. In the end I feel it to be better than websites since usually they don't use agency and you directly speak with the girl.

- "semi working" girl. They will not disclose that they are looking for money but when you want to meet them they will say that they need money to pay for medications (cause they are sick and need medications to get better so you can meet), or 200 k to pay for child keeping (don't know how much people pay for child keeping in Colombia but definitely not 200 k) or any other excuse to make you pay. Of course I completely avoid these profiles as you don't know at all what you are getting and I even if you pay for whatever they are asking you to meet I suppose if you want any sex they are going to find a way to ask even more. Another "trick" which I didn't really understand that happened to me 3 times is that when setting up a meeting the girl is saying that she is with their cousin and if they could both come together. Out of curiosity I almost said yes just to see what trick they had prepared to try to get money, but in the end I chose the safe way by not going through.

In summary, price seem to be increasing, and it seems to be more difficult to get a girls with decent service and good price, not sure how to explain it.

Hope this feedback helps some of you!

[QUOTE=JulienTT;2796715]or 200 k to pay for child keeping (don't know how much people pay for child keeping in Colombia but definitely not 200 k) or any other excuse to make you pay.[/QUOTE]30,000 per day for babysitter. I was trying to meet up with a chick in the Dominican Republic a couple of weeks ago. I think I was $200 in the hole before ever laying eyes on her. $20 babysitter, $20 taxi. Bih I can't afford to meet you!

Funny how it costs out the ass for them to leave the house to see you, but if they are leaving the house for any other reason I doubt if costs are stacking up the same.

Be cautious with any Venezuelan that you meet in the clock tower area no matter how nice they may seem when you get them back to your place you don't know what's going to happen don't pay them in advance go take any chances and if you can make sure that security will not let them out unless you come with them.

I recently met one there that seemed to be quite pleasant and when she eventually turned up two days later was apparently pimped out and a really bad experience which cost me $60 to get rid of her but could have been much much worse. I know people are not always down on the beach experience with the truth is the same girls are there almost everyday and that's not a bad thing as things are getting a little bit more tense here.

Appreciate any advice on where to get girls and things to do in Cartagena. Would be good to find a wingman to hang out with too.

Read through numerous site reports, seems to be loads of punter scams. Prefer to learn from my fellow mongers, rather than stumbling through my own mistakes.

Have been mongering for decades & fallen prey to almost every scam mentioned in reports (in one country or another). Fairly street wise now but still occasionally ruled by the smaller head, rather than the one that can think. Best to get myself somewhere where both heads are happy & aligned.

Have travelled to a number of South & Central American countries over the years but 1st time in Columbia. My Spanish is pathetic, usually get by with pantomime & google translate.

What?? Disappointed with these reports I'm reading. Returning to CTG after a long time and looks like things have changed for the worse reading these reports. Should I bring a paisa with me from Medellíand or should I brave the clocktower and Dolce Vita? These weekend billionaires killing the game.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2798300]Be cautious with any Venezuelan that you meet in the clock tower area no matter how nice they may seem when you get them back to your place you don't know what's going to happen don't pay them in advance go take any chances and if you can make sure that security will not let them out unless you come with them.

I recently met one there that seemed to be quite pleasant and when she eventually turned up two days later was apparently pimped out and a really bad experience which cost me $60 to get rid of her but could have been much much worse. I know people are not always down on the beach experience with the truth is the same girls are there almost everyday and that's not a bad thing as things are getting a little bit more tense here.[/QUOTE]Bottom Line with Venezolanas to always keep in mind: These girls are scared and desperate about day-to-day survival having fled hopeless circumstances of no fault of their own obviously, in homeland.

They are unwanted, received no functional education in the current Venezuela schools, (especially girls). Again, they are unwelcome in Colombia. For context, Venezuelans are not allowed in Panama for any reason. Other latin american countries have similar absolutist restrictions. These girls are very far away from their loved ones Many, even from their own very small children back home. Colombian girls generally despise the venezolanas. Do Not try to mix them in group date or party. The 2 groups of women may seem interchagnable to foreigners. They are not "apples to apples". I've had some good times with venezolanas. I even had one stay at my place in Medellíand for a couple of months. This is not a warning against Venezolanas. Just to help all to be more aware of who you are dealing with.

Been watching plenty of YouTube videos on Cartagena. I'll Be there in a few short weeks. Love catching up on the vibe before I go. Also been reading lots of local.

News and it really sounds like they are cracking down on issues. And seeing a lot of police presence in these YouTube videos.

I do plan on doing only Uber this trip. I've never used it there. But I like it's a random car each time and you know exactly who's picking you up. I plan on making my nights earlier. In by midnight maybe.

As far as these you tube videos and these guys posting about girls in ctg, are they that naive!? Oh we are sitting at an umbrella and the guy brings some girls over. We had no idea after hours they were pros. You kidding me!?

I'm looking forward to going. I don't expect much different from my other trips.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2800252]I do plan on doing only Uber this trip. I've never used it there. But I like it's a random car each time and you know exactly who's picking you up.[/QUOTE]Why Uber instead of the cheaper Indriver or Didi?

[QUOTE=Kafka;2798300]Be cautious with any Venezuelan that you meet in the clock tower area no matter how nice they may seem when you get them back to your place you don't know what's going to happen don't pay them in advance go take any chances and if you can make sure that security will not let them out unless you come with them.

I recently met one there that seemed to be quite pleasant and when she eventually turned up two days later was apparently pimped out and a really bad experience which cost me $60 to get rid of her but could have been much much worse. I know people are not always down on the beach experience with the truth is the same girls are there almost everyday and that's not a bad thing as things are getting a little bit more tense here.[/QUOTE]I strongly disagree. The Venezuelan girls give less problems than the Colombian girls because they don't want any dealings with the police. If your going to get robbed or drugged it's going to be a Colombian because they will likely not face any repercussions. OP maybe it's the quality of women you deal with and not the nationality that's giving you problems.

I never heard of those apps. Rather just stick with Uber that I know and use.

I agree it's about the quality of who you're with.

My regular is going to fly in a week before me. Do some scouting. Get a few numbers for some trios. Can't wait to be there!

Today I've been purging the numbers I have gotten from tinder over the past month. My trip is about 3 weeks away. Girls change numbers. Leave. Etc. Also chatting them up and getting a feel for what they are into etc.

Most girls are quoting 400 k without me even asking. Some have brought up 100 $ or 120 $ and they are 9 and 10's. But I counter in chat oh pesos only. Can see when I'm there. Don't discuss now. And already down to 500,400 k.

I think you just need to know what you're doing.

Exchange rate hovering around 4800. Let's gooooo!!

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2800533]Today I've been purging the numbers I have gotten from tinder over the past month. My trip is about 3 weeks away. Girls change numbers. Leave. Etc. Also chatting them up and getting a feel for what they are into etc.

Most girls are quoting 400 k without me even asking. Some have brought up 100 $ or 120 $ and they are 9 and 10's. But I counter in chat oh pesos only. Can see when I'm there. Don't discuss now. And already down to 500,400 k.

I think you just need to know what you're doing.

Exchange rate hovering around 4800. Let's gooooo!![/QUOTE]Allot can happen to these girls in 3 weeks especially if you do not have a history with them where they know you won't flake on them.

Down to 500 K, 400 K for what exactly? An hour? If its an hour that on the high end.

Exchange rate is hovering around 4800, yes, but when I was there last month the exchange rate was close to 5000 and the cambrios didn't want to budge pass 4300, unless your plan is to pull cash out of the green ATMs with a no transaction fee debit card I would not be too excited.

Just a heads up, if hollywood Beach is your thing the beach construction pushed everyone to kiosk #4 so its hella crowded so the annoyance is increased, even the begging kids are there along with the trans.

Uber is great, just be warned at night they will cancel allot if you are going from Centro to El Laguito or Boa Grande because they know they will not get a fare to go back.

Stay safe, enjoy your trip and I would advise you to be off the streets before they set up the police checkpoints. I learned the hard way.

Yah I'm aware that's why I'm even purging #s already from before.

Shouldn't really discuss an amount of time with the girl. That's where a lot of you guys are going wrong. I'm feeling prices are the same as ever. This will be my 8th trip there I believe.

Always use ATM. Why would you ever exchange in person. Always will get charged more.

I only discuss what we are both into. She can mention some number and I may just reply we will see. If it's crazy I may counter to make sure I'm not wasting time.

I make it clear gift is given at end of date. She wants gift before my cock is in her mouth. No thanks.

Amazing how many girls are asking for $ before. Oh my rent is due and I have no money. Oh I need money for food today. I think it's too easy to send money digitally now.

I'm thinking of taking the whole taxi thing as far as using Uber myself. And if I am bring back a girl in the evening I will give her cash for a taxi. Totally worth an extra what 5 $ to just totally protect myself. If she takes it and leaves. Well whatever. I'm sure I dodged a bad date anyway hahah.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2800813]I only discuss what we are both into. She can mention some number and I may just reply we will see. If it's crazy I may counter to make sure I'm not wasting time.

I make it clear gift is given at end of date. She wants gift before my cock is in her mouth. No thanks.

Amazing how many girls are asking for $ before. Oh my rent is due and I have no money. Oh I need money for food today. I think it's too easy to send money digitally now.

I'm thinking of taking the whole taxi thing as far as using Uber myself. And if I am bring back a girl in the evening I will give her cash for a taxi. Totally worth an extra what 5 $ to just totally protect myself. If she takes it and leaves. Well whatever. I'm sure I dodged a bad date anyway hahah.[/QUOTE]They are becoming more and more like the Dominicans in Sosua. Something changed now more and more girls are asking for dollars. I asked a few of my Venezuelans what's up with that and they say the pesos are no good in Venezuela and Allot of them are using the money for Coyotes to come to America. I know 3 of my usuals currently stuck in Mexico trying to cross and a few that successfully made it across and got asylum.

The uptick of crime in Cartagena is another thing to think about. I now plan for the "when it happen" instead of the "if it will happen" as the frequency I'm there the more exposure I get in seeing the more shit happen to me that didn't before.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2800813]Amazing how many girls are asking for $ before. Oh my rent is due and I have no money. Oh I need money for food today. I think it's too easy to send money digitally now.[/QUOTE]It is amazing how many guys are contacting hookers way before their trip. What do you think they are going to do besides ask for money? That is what they are there for, to get money. That is like calling the Cadillac dealership asking about a Fleetwood in June because you are expecting a big income tax return next March.

I understand guys are at home bored and excited about an upcoming trip, but these chicks are doing business and contacting them way before you are ready to do business with them is just wasting their time and getting you a higher price. Guys are treating getting hookers like they are investing in real estate when they should be treating it like ordering a pizza.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2800827]Allot of them are using the money for Coyotes to come to America. I know 3 of my usuals currently stuck in Mexico trying to cross and a few that successfully made it across and got asylum.[/QUOTE]The border shit is insane right now. There is no need for an expensive coyote these days. Just buy a normal ticket to Mexico and go cross on your own. Right now Venezuelans do not need to sneak across. I know a few that have been let in. A chick I know from Santo Domingo recently went into $20,000 debt sneaking in with coyotes. She must really have big dreams to go into that much debt doing something illegal.

My nurse chick in Bogota and a friend of hers went to Tijuana to get in. They had them in holding at least a couple of week, then finally told them they are not letting people of her nationality in now. My girl from Honduras and her daughter were also allowed in a couple of weeks ago and are in Nashville now.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2800875]It is amazing how many guys are contacting hookers way before their trip. What do you think they are going to do besides ask for money? That is what they are there for, to get money. That is like calling the Cadillac dealership asking about a Fleetwood in June because you are expecting a big income tax return next March.

I understand guys are at home bored and excited about an upcoming trip, but these chicks are doing business and contacting them way before you are ready to do business with them is just wasting their time and getting you a higher price. Guys are treating getting hookers like they are investing in real estate when they should be treating it like ordering a pizza.[/QUOTE]Some of these guys get wild. On my Carnival trip (I'm never going again during an event) I know of 1 instance someone sent $1000 a week before he got there [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2786517&viewfull=1#post2786517[/URL] and my other 2 chicas made bank from just 1 client. They all came in Thursday and left Sunday. Dolce girl made $3500 other 2 chicas made $3000 so I would guess these guys were paying $1000 a day to them. SMH.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2800883]The border shit is insane right now. There is no need for an expensive coyote these days. Just buy a normal ticket to Mexico and go cross on your own. Right now Venezuelans do not need to sneak across. I know a few that have been let in. A chick I know from Santo Domingo recently went into $20,000 debt sneaking in with coyotes. She must really have big dreams to go into that much debt doing something illegal.

My nurse chick in Bogota and a friend of hers went to Tijuana to get in. They had them in holding at least a couple of week, then finally told them they are not letting people of her nationality in now. My girl from Honduras and her daughter were also allowed in a couple of weeks ago and are in Nashville now.[/QUOTE]Yea its crazy at the border. One of my girls send me a video of lots of people looking like they were ready to rush the border. Got one in Tamaulipas waiting to cross but looks like she's doing well with housing.

One of my Venezuelan ran back to Cartegena after getting a new phone. Said the police took everything from her in Mexico and locked her up for a month. I keep telling these girls crossing is one thing but once you get here you need some kind of network to get housing and some sort of income so you can eat. Unless I'm mistaken and the government gives them a monthly stipend like Section 8 and SNAP, but I don't know.

20 K just to go from DR to here? Damn, I really don't get it, people are going through hell to come here for opportunity and people who are born here are willing to leave and go to their country to live for a better quality of life.

Dear fellow mongers.

I have been several times to Cartagena (I am a European living in Panama) and I think it's a vibrant, cool, rough city with lots of hot girls and some risks.

Some time ago, I browsed online ads and I found a girl who looked hot for a reasonable price. She texted me and gave me the direction below:

"Edificio Faro Tequendama".

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/iDcanoiXFFcpgxEw9[/URL]

Now, when I entered I was trying to go straight to her room, but a nasty doorman stopped me and treated me really bad, asking for ID and taking notes in his book, before calling the girl.

I was really pissed off about that. Then I met the girl, who was not that hot, and the service was mechanical and quick. So, avoid this place at any cost and avoid online girls with fake ads.

Walking around the street you might find the occasional gem, but I would say that the chances of things going bad (e. G. Overpriced ladies or awful service) are pretty high.

So I tried my luck with sugar dating instead.

Two weeks ago I hooked online a normal studying girl from the region of Cordoba, and invited her to Cartagena. She is a young mother (24 years old) and got immediately interested about a sugar relationship. We spent some amazing days in a nice hotel in Getsemani, but after the second day she got her period (bummer).

She looks very hot, about 1. 74 m, very slim belly, nice round ass and good natural boobs. And her face is just lovely.

Now we are going to meet again next week, this time I have booked an AirBnB in Boca Grande. I am really looking forward to meet her again.

[QUOTE=Tiepolo2002;2801301]Now, when I entered I was trying to go straight to her room, but a nasty doorman stopped me and treated me really bad, asking for ID and taking notes in his book, before calling the girl.

I was really pissed off about that.[/QUOTE]Are you blowing this out of proportion? Whenever I stay in an airbnb building with security in Colombia and someone visits me, they always take the ID and write down the info in the logbook. Why did that make you angry? Hell whenever I arrive to the place to stay there they also take my ID and write the info in the log.

Oh I don't expect a girl to chat with me constantly for a month or two before I come. But I do start looking early to find 2-3 girls to build a friendship with. I do enjoy taking someone out. Having fun etc. And I make it clear I won't be in Cartagena until x date.

I guess I should have fully explained my comment that I'm amazed how many girls ask to be sent money, because I'm sure a large number of men do it. Don't do it! Sorry baby pesos only. Sorry baby. Money when I see you. Easy. Don't fall for it. Oh my phone will be turned off. Well then so be it.

I personally would never ever go to a girls place. No way. Come to my hotel or apartment where I know who's in the closet or behind the door. Fuck that.

Shit I remember the long days of 3200-3400 for a dollar. 4800 is beautiful.

This morning on tinder all of a sudden there are a shitload more girls. Fresh shipment before the holidays? I know my girl from Medellin is going today.

Have any of you been to Hom or luxury men's spa? I just like the kinky idea of walking around the walled city. Maybe having lunch. Then going to get a massage and a tug, walk right out like nothing happened, back in the busy street. Maybe go get an ice cream Hahahah. Not expecting anything more than a mediocre massage LOL.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2801549]Have any of you been to Hom or luxury men's spa? I just like the kinky idea of walking around the walled city. Maybe having lunch. Then going to get a massage and a tug, walk right out like nothing happened, back in the busy street. Maybe go get an ice cream Hahahah. Not expecting anything more than a mediocre massage LOL.[/QUOTE]I too want to know if these or any others are worth it. I was thinking of spa hopping during the day for at least one day on my upcoming trip.

I also wanted to know if there was anything similar in Getsemani. From my research I just see people sitting around the main square and some side streets eating. I assume there are some workers there but they seem to blend in a much better than the ones at the clock tower.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2801471]Are you blowing this out of proportion? Whenever I stay in an airbnb building with security in Colombia and someone visits me, they always take the ID and write down the info in the logbook. Why did that make you angry? Hell whenever I arrive to the place to stay there they also take my ID and write the info in the log.[/QUOTE]Hello, thank you for your comment.

You are basically right, but I got pissed off because:

1) the doorman was extremely rude.

2) the girl did not come to the reception to pick me up as she should have.

The numbers being quoted here do not reflect reality. 1 k USD for a night? That's more expensive than Europe or the US. The most I've ever seen quoted is 150 USD for a night of bareback sex, and that's still an insane price. The most I've seen is 400.000 COP for a Tinder girl as an opener, and even that is highway robbery.

Remember guys, these girls service Colombian men first, and they typically charge them 100 to 200 k for two shots. There's another website similar to this one where they review the girls. They are more than willing to do the same for you, but you have to be able to ask them in Spanish.

[QUOTE=Tiepolo2002;2801301]

Walking around the street you might find the occasional gem, but I would say that the chances of things going bad (e. G. Overpriced ladies or awful service) are pretty high.

So I tried my luck with sugar dating instead.

Two weeks ago I hooked online a normal studying girl from the region of Cordoba, and invited her to Cartagena. She is a young mother (24 years old) and got immediately interested about a sugar relationship. We spent some amazing days in a nice hotel in Getsemani, but after the second day she got her period (bummer).

She looks very hot, about 1. 74 m, very slim belly, nice round ass and good natural boobs. And her face is just lovely.

Now we are going to meet again next week, this time I have booked an AirBnB in Boca Grande. I am really looking forward to meet her again.[/QUOTE]I agree. I am in Cartagena every month or two and do not typically see that many hotties walking around like I have in Medellin or even Bogota. Granted, I have not gone to the high end clubs like LDV.

Still I think you do it like you did. There are so many tourists in CTG that I think the hottest women get cocky and want the world. Almost all the women in Colombia are dying to go to the nicer places like Cartagena, Santa Marta, and San Andres for a vacation.

I think it is best if you meet them before you have them travel if possible, but it looks like it worked out for you.

Your gal is stunning. Did you use SA / seeking as a sugar site? Or something else?

I think most women even the hottest ones will do P4 P if it is discrete, and the sugar sites allow women to do that.

[QUOTE=Tiepolo2002;2801301]Dear fellow mongers.

I have been several times to Cartagena (I am a European living in Panama) and I think it's a vibrant, cool, rough city with lots of hot girls and some risks.

Some time ago, I browsed online ads and I found a girl who looked hot for a reasonable price. She texted me and gave me the direction below:

"Edificio Faro Tequendama".

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/iDcanoiXFFcpgxEw9[/URL]

Now, when I entered I was trying to go straight to her room, but a nasty doorman stopped me and treated me really bad, asking for ID and taking notes in his book, before calling the girl.

I was really pissed off about that. Then I met the girl, who was not that hot, and the service was mechanical and quick. So, avoid this place at any cost and avoid online girls with fake ads.

Walking around the street you might find the occasional gem, but I would say that the chances of things going bad (e. G. Overpriced ladies or awful service) are pretty high.

So I tried my luck with sugar dating instead.

Two weeks ago I hooked online a normal studying girl from the region of Cordoba, and invited her to Cartagena. She is a young mother (24 years old) and got immediately interested about a sugar relationship. We spent some amazing days in a nice hotel in Getsemani, but after the second day she got her period (bummer).

She looks very hot, about 1. 74 m, very slim belly, nice round ass and good natural boobs. And her face is just lovely.

Now we are going to meet again next week, this time I have booked an AirBnB in Boca Grande. I am really looking forward to meet her again.[/QUOTE]If you been to Cartegena several times, then you know just about all these buildings / hotels have a wristband system or some form of check-in at the front desk. Its to prevent any random person from walking in there and doing who knows what LOL. Ideally the guests should meet visitors in the lobby. The only building that I've been in that would let visitors up without the guest coming down to get them is Palmetto Sunset (I wouldn't recommend this place to anyone due to visitor hours policy), that building, security will call the intercom in the apartment and announce the visitor. Shit happens, we live and learn.

As for the girl, yes, some of them do rent out those apartments in Boca Grande and El Laguito by the month for incalls and in 1 day can make the months rent but I would never, ever do an incall anywhere as I never know whose waiting to rob me when I leave or watching me to rob me later as these girls are good bait.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2801598]The numbers being quoted here do not reflect reality. 1 k USD for a night? That's more expensive than Europe or the US. The most I've ever seen quoted is 150 USD for a night of bareback sex, and that's still an insane price. The most I've seen is 400.000 COP for a Tinder girl as an opener, and even that is highway robbery.

Remember guys, these girls service Colombian men first, and they typically charge them 100 to 200 k for two shots. There's another website similar to this one where they review the girls. They are more than willing to do the same for you, but you have to be able to ask them in Spanish.[/QUOTE]The girls I spoke about stayed with the gringo from Thursday. Sunday, and for that duration two of them made $3000 and one of them made $3500. Those who only travel once or twice a year don't care and will just throw money, that's on them, those of us who travel often know better and will just take another route, to each their own. One of my chicas already told me same girls that charge gringos $100 in Centro charge local guys 50 K in the barrios.

Yo! What's chica friendly in Bocagrande besides Sunset?

[QUOTE=Nypher;2801667]The girls I spoke about stayed with the gringo from Thursday. Sunday, and for that duration two of them made $3000 and one of them made $3500. Those who only travel once or twice a year don't care and will just throw money, that's on them, those of us who travel often know better and will just take another route, to each their own. One of my chicas already told me same girls that charge gringos $100 in Centro charge local guys 50 K in the barrios.[/QUOTE]Some guys are so fucking stupid. If you have $3500/$7000 to drop on a chica or two for a weekend, why even go to Colombia? Skip all the travel and hassle and just grab a gem off Seeking. I would much rather party with a girl that speaks english vs spanish and no all day travel to and from. And if I was going to travel, with that kind of cash I would probably pick a classier and safer destination. Spain comes to mind even though I have never been.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2801658]If you been to Cartegena several times, then you know just about all these buildings / hotels have a wristband system or some form of check-in at the front desk. Its to prevent any random person from walking in there and doing who knows what LOL. Ideally the guests should meet visitors in the lobby. The only building that I've been in that would let visitors up without the guest coming down to get them is Palmetto Sunset (I wouldn't recommend this place to anyone due to visitor hours policy), that building, security will call the intercom in the apartment and announce the visitor. Shit happens, we live and learn.

As for the girl, yes, some of them do rent out those apartments in Boca Grande and El Laguito by the month for incalls and in 1
day can make the months rent but I would never, ever do an incall anywhere as I never know whose waiting to rob me when I leave or watching me to rob me later as these girls are good bait.[/QUOTE]The incalls in Bocagrande and Laguito are perfectly safe. The girls literally stay there to attract foreigners. I was just down there to see a muchacha at Hotel Hollywood Beach a few Saturdays ago.

The girls on Mileroticos aren't trying to rob you. It's the clock tower girls you should worry about.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2801667]The girls I spoke about stayed with the gringo from Thursday. Sunday, and for that duration two of them made $3000 and one of them made $3500. Those who only travel once or twice a year don't care and will just throw money, that's on them, those of us who travel often know better and will just take another route, to each their own. One of my chicas already told me same girls that charge gringos $100 in Centro charge local guys 50 K in the barrios.[/QUOTE]The girls are lying to impress you. I want to remind you, the annual minimum wage in Colombia is 3000 USD. These girls lie. Usually for no reason at all. Just to talk. Do you speak Spanish? Because many girls struggle to even get 1 customer at night at 250 k COP, they simply do not charge as much.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2801890]The girls are lying to impress you. I want to remind you, the annual minimum wage in Colombia is 3000 USD. These girls lie. Usually for no reason at all. Just to talk. Do you speak Spanish? Because many girls struggle to even get 1 customer at night at 250 k COP, they simply do not charge as much.[/QUOTE]The annual minimum salary thing is being brought up too many times. And honestly there is no point and here's why.

While the min salary is 1. 2 mil a month that's in the whole country including the poorest areas.

The AVERAGE salary for a worker in a city like Medellin is 8-1000 usd a month.

Now as it translates to prostitutes. Look at the USA.

Some girls charge 300-1000 usd by the hour. So what does that compare to when it comes to the average or min US salary.

Another issue it these girls albeit from a second world country and to be clear Colombia is NOT THIRD WORLD, they are westernized especially the high end girls who have climbed the social ladder somehow to find their exclusive gringo clientele. They know how much can be made and at some point refuse to settle for less.

The iPhones and brand names cost more in Colombia.

My issue with the gringos is not that they spend all this money. It's that they spend it willing to settle for subpar service. Guys are paying 300 usd to get covered blow jobs.

At least make these girls work for their $$.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2801927]The annual minimum salary thing is being brought up too many times. And honestly there is no point and here's why.

While the min salary is 1. 2 mil a month that's in the whole country including the poorest areas.

The AVERAGE salary for a worker in a city like medellin is 8-1000 usd a month.[/QUOTE]Where did you get your figures from? Here it says the average salary of a middle class person is 1,600,000 or $342 and a high class person $1,369.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2801933]Where did you get your figures from? Here it says the average salary of a middle class person is 1,600,000 or $342 and a high class person $1,369.[/QUOTE]2 years ago? My gfs dad lives in itagui doing construction. His salary is 3. 2 million a month. I know this for a fact. But you're missing the point. Prostitutes always get paid more than average salaries. In every single country. So why is it guys want to pick on Colombian women on how much they're worth? Average looking girls are getting 500-1 k an hour in the states.
In any country prostution or drugs or whatever hustle will make a lot more than average income. That’s just how it is.

The Colombian women who are yesterdays news in their own country are considered dimes over here in the states getting stupid money making 2 k a day and being propositioned by sugar daddies.

That's why I say guys are being misled and sometimes really don't know this "world" that the girls are living in.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2801933]Where did you get your figures from? Here it says the average salary of a middle class person is 1,600,000 or $342 and a high class person $1,369.[/QUOTE]There is the average in Medellin for 2023.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2801968]Prostitutes always get paid more than average salaries. In every single country. So why is it guys want to pick on Colombian women on how much they're worth?[/QUOTE]You also must remember that most hookers make money in spurts. Most of them are not making constant or consistent money. They may get $500 for an hour with a customer, but that is not saying they are taking on 8 customers per day. I would even say in a place where prostitution is legal, the margin is not high at all. If it was then we would see a bunch of facebook or tinder chicks pulling up in Mercedes, but half of them do not even have the money to get to the customer on their own.

We can be pretty damn sure that the average Colombian guy is not paying those chicks anywhere near $100. As Nypher said, the chick goes across town and charges locals 10 times less than foreigners in the tourist areas. The chicks are only worth that much to foreign tourists or local drug dealers. They are not Heidi Fleissing it up among the general local population.

I was in Amsterdam and asked a chick in one of those boxes how much. She said 200 euro for 30 minutes. I asked her why it was so expensive. She said it was because she had to pay 200 euro to rent that box for 4 hours. So she had to at least get one customer in those 4 hours just to pay for the box. And I did not see guys lining up to get their turn with those chicks in the boxes. She was in no way shape or form getting rich around that place.

It never occurred to me that they have to rent those boxes in Amsterdam. Can't say that I have ever been interested regardless but noteworthy to discover what they have to pay to rent a spot there. Agree that most of the hookers in the world are only making money over short term spurts. Not to many millionaires out of that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2801992]You also must remember that most hookers make money in spurts. Most of them are not making constant or consistent money. They may get $500 for an hour with a customer, but that is not saying they are taking on 8 customers per day. I would even say in a place where prostitution is legal, the margin is not high at all. If it was then we would see a bunch of facebook or tinder chicks pulling up in Mercedes, but half of them do not even have the money to get to the customer on their own.

We can be pretty damn sure that the average Colombian guy is not paying those chicks anywhere near $100. As Nypher said, the chick goes across town and charges locals 10 times less than foreigners in the tourist areas. The chicks are only worth that much to foreign tourists or local drug dealers. They are not Heidi Fleissing it up among the general local population.

I was in Amsterdam and asked a chick in one of those boxes how much. She said 200 euro for 30 minutes. I asked her why it was so expensive. She said it was because she had to pay 200 euro to rent that box for 4 hours. So she had to at least get one customer in those 4 hours just to pay for the box. And I did not see guys lining up to get their turn with those chicks in the boxes. She was in no way shape or form getting rich around that place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2801927]The annual minimum salary thing is being brought up too many times. And honestly there is no point and here's why.

While the min salary is 1. 2 mil a month that's in the whole country including the poorest areas.

The AVERAGE salary for a worker in a city like medellin is 8-1000 usd a month.

Now as it translates to prostitutes. Look at the USA.

Some girls charge 300-1000 usd by the hour. So what does that compare to when it comes to the average or min US salary.

Another issue it these girls albeit from a second world country and to be clear Colombia is NOT THIRD WORLD, they are westernized especially the high end girls who have climbed the social ladder somehow to find their exclusive gringo clientele. They know how much can be made and at some point refuse to settle for less..[/QUOTE]You are dead wrong. The minimum wage actually overstates the average Colombian's earnings because a huge portion of the economy is informal, meaning they don't report their wages. Think of the folks who operate fruit or arepa stands. The sellers on the beach. Even the informal taxi drivers.

You can look at what folks are being offered for work here.

[URL]https://co.computrabajo.com/trabajo-de-mesero-en-cartagena-de-indias[/URL]#6 F027 D2 EC0274 EBB61373 E686 DCF3405.

Literally minimum wage for a bachelor's degree earned WITH experience.

And Colombia is absolutely a 3rd world country. The girls you are calling social climbers are just working girls you meet with foreigners. And those girls do most of their work with Colombian men. I can't believe some of y'all are this naïve.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2801968]2 years ago?? My gfs dad lives in itagui doing construction. His salary is 3. 2 million a month. I know this for a fact. But you're missing the point. Prostitutes always get paid more than average salaries. In every single country. So why is it guys want to pick on Colombian women on how much they're worth? Average looking girls are getting 500-1 k an hour in the states.
In any country prostution or drugs or whatever hustle will make a lot more than average income. Thats just how it is.

The Colombian women who are yesterdays news in their own country are considered dimes over here in the states getting stupid money making 2 k a day and being propositioned by sugar daddies.

That's why I say guys are being misled and sometimes really don't know this "world" that the girls are living in.[/QUOTE]Yes. They are getting paid more than the average salary IN PESOS. Not USD. An American girl will get paid more because she lives in the US where salaries are higher. Any Colombian girl who makes it to the states or Europe to be a working girl, is the best of the best. Because salaries are so much lower in Colombia.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2802177]You are dead wrong. The minimum wage actually overstates the average Colombian's earnings because a huge portion of the economy is informal, meaning they don't report their wages. Think of the folks who operate fruit or arepa stands. The sellers on the beach. Even the informal taxi drivers.

You can look at what folks are being offered for work here.

[URL]https://co.computrabajo.com/trabajo-de-mesero-en-cartagena-de-indias[/URL]#6 F027 D2 EC0274 EBB61373 E686 DCF3405.

Literally minimum wage for a bachelor's degree earned WITH experience.

And Colombia is absolutely a 3rd world country. The girls you are calling social climbers are just working girls you meet with foreigners. And those girls do most of their work with Colombian men. I can't believe some of why'all are this nave.[/QUOTE]Please show me where it says Colombia is a third world country. Because it really isn't.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2802209]Please show me where it says Colombia is a third world country. Because it really isn't..[/QUOTE]It's a third world (developing) country because it has a weak industrial base and economy.

This is such a silly thing to argue about on a forum about prostitutes.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2801890]The girls are lying to impress you. I want to remind you, the annual minimum wage in Colombia is 3000 USD. These girls lie. Usually for no reason at all. Just to talk. Do you speak Spanish? Because many girls struggle to even get 1 customer at night at 250 k COP, they simply do not charge as much.[/QUOTE]I agree that the girls are lying. First of all, what dude is flying into Colombia with $10,000 in cash? Secondly, there's no way you can get that much from ATMs and the pile in pesos would require a shopping back (comical). Are these girls on Venmo now? Perhaps. IDK. Last of all, 99% of the girls I know would take off a couple months if they made that much in a weekend. There is no mentality to save money and keep working.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2801704]Some guys are so fucking stupid. If you have $3500/$7000 to drop on a chica or two for a weekend, why even go to Colombia? Skip all the travel and hassle and just grab a gem off Seeking. I would much rather party with a girl that speaks english vs spanish and no all day travel to and from. And if I was going to travel, with that kind of cash I would probably pick a classier and safer destination. Spain comes to mind even though I have never been.[/QUOTE]No doubt. If you want a hot Colombian woman, there are plenty in Mexico on Twitter. And the best looking Venezuelans I have ever seen and some of the best looking Colombians have been in Mexico.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2802209]Please show me where it says Colombia is a third world country. Because it really isn't. 🤦127996;8205;9794;65039;129318;127996;8205;9794;65039;.[/QUOTE]So third world is a very outdated and irrelevant term for what it was intended to be. Third world was a term used by western governments for countries that did not form some type of alliance with a and. A. T. O. Or Warsaw Pact country prior to the fall of the Soviet Union. Most of those countries tended to not be industrialized and had a very low global trade value for reserve currencies like the dollar, ruble, yen, etc.

Based on per capita G. The. P. , education, housing, healthcare, and overall quality of living, Colombia is not on par with a western nation, there is a significant difference between the two. That does not mean Colombia is a savage land of poverty stricken barbarians, but with out a doubt the economic opportunities which are available are far behind the west. You can take your dollars and average American salary and it will go far in the country. The same cannot be said for the peso and a Colombian Salary.

So in short, If you wanted to still classify nations by modern measures of economic health, Colombia would be several tiers or "worlds" behind the USA.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2801890]The girls are lying to impress you. I want to remind you, the annual minimum wage in Colombia is 3000 USD. These girls lie. Usually for no reason at all. Just to talk. Do you speak Spanish? Because many girls struggle to even get 1 customer at night at 250 k COP, they simply do not charge as much.[/QUOTE]These girls don't have to lie to me, these specific chicas telling me and showing me another gringo who paid that much does nothing for me. It was just a quick conversation I had with them because I was talking about carnival and asked them to join me and they said they had a high paying gringo coming in those days so they couldn't. Everywhere have high paying gringos that don't care, I don't know the type of relationship they have or history they have. They could of have had a Seeking relationship, or met in the club or tinder. I don't know and I didn't ask.

All I did was ask them to join me and they said they couldn't and told me why, after carnival ended we had another conversation and I asked how much they made and they told me and sent a picture. I always call bullshit on these chicas and these three always back up what they say with either a video, photos, or even a video call.

These girls make big money when there are big events in Colombia or when places like America have 3 day weekends like Memorial Day, 4th of July, etc.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2802942]I agree that the girls are lying. First of all, what dude is flying into Colombia with $10,000 in cash? Secondly, there's no way you can get that much from ATMs and the pile in pesos would require a shopping back (comical). Are these girls on Venmo now? Perhaps. IDK. Last of all, 99% of the girls I know would take off a couple months if they made that much in a weekend. There is no mentality to save money and keep working.[/QUOTE]Who flew into Colombia with $10,000 in cash? That risk for confiscation.

I do not know about Venmo but I can confirm many of these girls have PayPal and they link it to their Nequi so they can pull out Pesos.

Some also have Zelle. How they do it is they get someone they trust in the US with a Zelle account and have the gringo send the money to the that gringo that they trust, then that gringo either sends the money to the chica via WU or Paypal.

I've reported prior on Zelle and Paypal in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2802667]Or if you don't mind rap music with the and-word you are all set at Hollywood Beach these days. It's pretty unbearable actually.[/QUOTE]Some of them just don't know how to leave the BS back at home and bring it with them like they cannot function without the drama. Travel is supposed to be relaxing. I don't know who gave these people passports LOL.

I went through hell to get my American Passport back in the 90's, and now they just giving it out like free candy letting all sorts of people out the country giving us travelers a bad view.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2803059]So third world is a very outdated and irrelevant term for what it was intended to be. Third world was a term used by western governments for countries that did not form some type of alliance with a and. A. T. O. Or Warsaw Pact country prior to the fall of the Soviet Union. Most of those countries tended to not be industrialized and had a very low global trade value for reserve currencies like the dollar, ruble, yen, etc.

Based on per capita G. The. P. , education, housing, healthcare, and overall quality of living, Colombia is not on par with a western nation, there is a significant difference between the two. That does not mean Colombia is a savage land of poverty stricken barbarians, but with out a doubt the economic opportunities which are available are far behind the west. You can take your dollars and average American salary and it will go far in the country. The same cannot be said for the peso and a Colombian Salary.

So in short, If you wanted to still classify nations by modern measures of economic health, Colombia would be several tiers or "worlds" behind the USA.[/QUOTE]I think the line of confusion is this.

Colombia is a massive sized country.

So when discussing certain parts like Cartagena Medellin and Bogota these areas in particular are not as poor as people deem it out to be.

Yes it's ages behind western societies as far as wealth.

But these cities are very modernized. Many locals make good $$.

But those are only 3 cities in a big ass country.

So when expecting to pay bottom barrel prices for a girl in one of these cities and using the logic of min salary it is absolutely moot. Why? Because I'm sure they have been exposed to the finer things in life at some point.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2803113]These girls don't have to lie to me, these specific chicas telling me and showing me another gringo who paid that much does nothing for me. It was just a quick conversation I had with them because I was talking about carnival and asked them to join me and they said they had a high paying gringo coming in those days so they couldn't. Everywhere have high paying gringos that don't care, I don't know the type of relationship they have or history they have. They could of have had a Seeking relationship, or met in the club or tinder. I don't know and I didn't ask.
[/QUOTE]Yeah, if you do not know Colombian pricing and only know hotties in the USA making 500+ an hour and up, it is very possible a guy would spend $3000 on a Colombian woman and think he is getting a bargain.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2803117]Some of them just don't know how to leave the BS back at home and bring it with them like they cannot function without the drama. Travel is supposed to be relaxing. I don't know who gave these people passports LOL.

I went through hell to get my American Passport back in the 90's, and now they just giving it out like free candy letting all sorts of people out the country giving us travelers a bad view.[/QUOTE]With you 100% I.

T's a deah spiral as the girls get hardened by them.

Ruins the vibe in the city and especially the beach.

I ad use folks to start looking elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2803264]So when expecting to pay bottom barrel prices for a girl in one of these cities and using the logic of min salary it is absolutely moot. Why? Because I'm sure they have been exposed to the finer things in life at some point.[/QUOTE]Sure they have been exposed to the finer things, but they also realize they turn back into pumpkins at midnight. It is the foreign "millionaire" that is responsible for convincing them they are worth more. You see that by merely reading the various threads on this website.

It happens in every country. Guys coming through willing to pay less than it would be at home regardless that it is much more than the local norm. Do you really think the chicks in Gusto's are getting the $300 in the barrios that they ask of the foreigners in the club? If they were then they would not be living in those barrios, but the finer things would be their lifestyle.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2753882#post2753882[/URL]

Remember my report from October how they scammed us at this same Agua Azul with the bill that came up to about $900 because they added extra shit on there and my chica was arguing with them? Well, looks like they are at it again and this time they throwing chairs at the JAJAJA.

Remember, always ask how much up front, keep track of the order and don't let them take no pictures of you. Also remember the boat crew is not your friends they are there to make money on thop of what they were already paid for the day.

Its in Spanish but if you scroll down on the page theres a 1 minute video of the inicident.

[URL]https://www.infobae.com/colombia/2023/03/26/vuelve-y-juega-nueva-rina-entre-turistas-y-locales-en-cartagena-esta-vez-por-perdida-de-dinero/[/URL]

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[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2803369]Then I'm calling you a liar. These girls are not earning that much.[/QUOTE]This girl is a $1000 an hour. [URL]https://tryst.link/escort/secretvixen[/URL].

Guys that pay those rates would think $3000 for a few days is nothing.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2802942]I agree that the girls are lying. First of all, what dude is flying into Colombia with $10,000 in cash? Secondly, there's no way you can get that much from ATMs and the pile in pesos would require a shopping back (comical). Are these girls on Venmo now? Perhaps. IDK. Last of all, 99% of the girls I know would take off a couple months if they made that much in a weekend. There is no mentality to save money and keep working.[/QUOTE]These are the agencies I have used.

For customers who send to Colombia from the United States, as of writing, the initial sending limits with Remitly are:

$2,999 in 24 hours.

Western Union: You can send up to USD $7500 to bank accounts in Colombia using our online services or at our agent locations. You can also send up to USD $5000 for cash pickup at a Colombian agent location.

Pangea: You can send up to $6,000 using a debit card. This limit also applies to any receiver. Note: The $6,000 limit is refreshed every 30 days.

I needed to send $5000 to my gal for a deposit on our apartment. I tried high amounts and got hassled and money was frozen ETC. So I then used all three services and transferred $1000 using a combination of all three services, and it was done in 2 days.

You do not need to use cash or use ATM there. I use Remitly and money instantly goes into her checking account.

Giving women this much money is doable. It is probably dumb but it is doable.

And Nypher has given really good info for month / years on Cartagena. I am not sure why you guys are trashing him. He is just repeating what he was told.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2803288]Sure they have been exposed to the finer things, but they also realize they turn back into pumpkins at midnight. It is the foreign "millionaire" that is responsible for convincing them they are worth more. You see that by merely reading the various threads on this website.

It happens in every country. Guys coming through willing to pay less than it would be at home regardless that it is much more than the local norm. Do you really think the chicks in Gusto's are getting the $300 in the barrios that they ask of the foreigners in the club? If they were then they would not be living in those barrios, but the finer things would be their lifestyle.[/QUOTE]All the girls in these clubs whether Gustos or Dolce Vita etc they make their $$ The problem is they got bfs family members etc waiting on them. It's like the millionaire and his crew. One person pays. Same with these girls.

But the gringos only know the girl and to her 200 mil is not big $$ anymore.

Every girl starts out and 150-200 mil is big $$ when they're 18.

Then they go out make a 2-300 $ usd score with a gringo let's say in lleras or cartagena.

They do it a couple more times. Now they're expecting that kind of money all the time. So they go and treat their families and friends to vacations. Use on plastic surgery. Expensive make up, hair, clothes etc.

She has now put herself in a position where she went from a 6-8 or a 7-9 for some guys.

So now she's not taking 200 mil anymore.

If you generalize this into anything it's a common theme of life in any country.

The paying customer dictates what they're worth.

The higher the demand she'll get a bigger head and charge more. Weed out the lower paying guys.

The reason they stay in their barrios is because of their poor money management.

The 1% that are smart and I know a couple have bought property invested in their own businesses and their own education.

But they use the same logic as well.

There's simply nothing that can be done.

So prices are all over the place. But guys just be smart and don't over pay!

Haven't heard any crazy stories past 2-3 weeks out of ctg. Seems things are being quieted down a bit.

Can't wait to go. Walk around in the morning. Find a empanada and beer. Start texting my girls to see who's awake for a morning workout.

Cartagena is quickly becoming the most economically important city in that country. They won't let it go downhill.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2803369]Then I'm calling you a liar. These girls are not earning that much.[/QUOTE]I have nothing to gain from this forum by lying about 3 chicas making $3000 - $3500 in a few days during Carnival. The chicas have nothing to gain from me by lying to me saying they made that much from 1 gringo during carnival. I just don't see the motive why they or I would make up something like that.

All I do is pass on the information as I get it, or as I experience it. If you're experiencing something different, pass it on as well to help the next person that comes along. The whole start of this was me trying to inform others that if they have a favourite girl they want to be with during Carnival that they might want to reach out to her early to make sure she is available as I reached out to my top 3 and all 3 of them were already taken by high paying gringos way before they arrived and one of them even made an advance deposit.

I don't know how we got to this point.

(Duplicate post but I had to fix an important typo).

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2803554]So prices are all over the place. But guys just be smart and don't over pay![/QUOTE]The problem being is that one guy's overpay is the next guy's great bargain. The toothpaste is already out of the tube. Cartagena has already headed the way of Sosua and Costa Rica and Panama City. The dominos are falling one after the other. Only salvation is people that know how to get in the local scene or stay out of the foreign tourist scene.

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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2803570]The problem being is that one guy's overpay is the next guy's great bargain. The toothpaste is already out of the tube. Cartagena has already headed the way of Sosua and Costa Rica and Panama City. The dominos are falling one after the other. Only salvation is people that know how to get in the local scene or stay out of the foreign tourist scene.[/QUOTE]Except in Colombia they're going to do something about it. I'm not sure what form that's going to take but it's going to happen. It's already been identified as a problem

[QUOTE=Kafka;2803592]Except in Colombia they're going to do something about it. I'm not sure what form that's going to take but it's going to happen. It's already been identified as a problem[/QUOTE]Name me one place where the chicks have lowered their prices. You may get those guy out of there, but those prices are there to stay.

I am in Cartagena and not feeling like roaming the clock tower of Space Club. What are the current strip club recommendations? A dude here told me that Pley Club is no longer in business and Isis was dead. Is there a better strip club around Cartagena?

In the end the weekend warriors will lose.

Colombia is not DR. They're proud people. Also they're more dangerous people.

The gangs and low lives have made their way into Poblado of medellin and now spreading their wings into cartagena.

They're going to drug more and more unsuspecting tourists. Hell last time I was in Ctg they tried to pickpocket me LOL. With no avail tho.

And you can thank the guys who come and use their country like it's their new playground.

I'm not talking about people who overpay.

I'm talking about the large groups who come in and act like they own the joint. Thinking they're hot shit because they're gringos.

It's been going on the past year. I've seen guys robbed drugged and even killed along with the popular ones that we have all read about.

Can't come into this country and act like hot shots.

Especially when you're not even a hot shot in your own land.

I guess that went right over your head it's got nothing to do with prices....

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2803601]Name me one place where the chicks have lowered their prices. You may get those guy out of there, but those prices are there to stay.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kafka;2803783]I guess that went right over your head it's got nothing to do with prices....[/QUOTE]It seems what I was saying went right over your head. I took it that you were saying the authorities are getting rid of the riff raff. I was responding that that may well be, but that will do nothing for the prices that have gotten out of hand.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2803378]This girl is a $1000 an hour. [URL]https://tryst.link/escort/secretvixen[/URL].

Guys that pay those rates would think $3000 for a few days is nothing.

These are the agencies I have used.

For customers who send to Colombia from the United States, as of writing, the initial sending limits with Remitly are:

$2,999 in 24 hours.

Western Union: You can send up to USD $7500 to bank accounts in Colombia using our online services or at our agent locations. You can also send up to USD $5000 for cash pickup at a Colombian agent location.

Pangea: You can send up to $6,000 using a debit card. This limit also applies to any receiver. Note: The $6,000 limit is refreshed every 30 days.

I needed to send $5000 to my gal for a deposit on our apartment. I tried high amounts and got hassled and money was frozen ETC. So I then used all three services and transferred $1000 using a combination of all three services, and it was done in 2 days.

You do not need to use cash or use ATM there. I use Remitly and money instantly goes into her checking account.

Giving women this much money is doable. It is probably dumb but it is doable.

And Nypher has given really good info for month / years on Cartagena. I am not sure why you guys are trashing him. He is just repeating what he was told.[/QUOTE]The tryst link you posted is of an American escort. Yes. Top end escorts get paid great money IN THE UNITED STATES. Not in Colombia.

Those girls did not earn those amounts he quoted. He could be a great guy, but he is obviously exaggerating on this point.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2803565]I have nothing to gain from this forum by lying about 3 chicas making $3000 - $3500 in a few days during Carnival. The chicas have nothing to gain from me by lying to me saying they made that much from 1 gringo during carnival. I just don't see the motive why they or I would make up something like that.

All I do is pass on the information as I get it, or as I experience it. If you're experiencing something different, pass it on as well to help the next person that comes along. The whole start of this was me trying to inform others that if they have a favourite girl they want to be with during Carnival that they might want to reach out to her early to make sure she is available as I reached out to my top 3 and all 3 of them were already taken by high paying gringos way before they arrived and one of them even made an advance deposit.

I don't know how we got to this point.

(Duplicate post but I had to fix an important typo).[/QUOTE]The information you are receiving is incorrect. The girls did not earn that much. These girls lie. Often for no reason at all. It's just who they are. I don't believe anything they say.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2803570]The problem being is that one guy's overpay is the next guy's great bargain. The toothpaste is already out of the tube. Cartagena has already headed the way of Sosua and Costa Rica and Panama City. The dominos are falling one after the other. Only salvation is people that know how to get in the local scene or stay out of the foreign tourist scene.[/QUOTE]Its now working its way to Bangkok and Pattaya and I'm so happy I was already there and had my fun before they got there.

These youtubers have brought in a wave of undesirables who should have never left home and they brought that mentality with them turning humble people into entitled people.

[QUOTE=Expateric;2803609]I am in Cartagena ...What are the current strip club recommendations? [/QUOTE]Didn't see any replies to Expateric.

Summarising the recommendations, as I understand them, after reading most recent 30+ pages on this forum. I am visiting Cartagena from 20 Apr.

Strip Bars:

Recommended: Fase Dos, La Isla, 808 & Gustos.

Not recommended: Space, Dolce, Delirium, Chica Linda Night Club, Flexx (where most foreigners end up).

? LDV & Space.

Streetwalkers, places to meet:

Clocktower.

Hotel las Carretas (see girls walking the triangle).

The Pan Debono bakery (Calle de San Agustin Chiquita and Calle Del Porvenir).

Plaza del Reloj.

Website to find girls:

Mileroticos.

Skodda.

Photoprepagos.

Appreciate any corrections / advice.

Punter00.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2803811]It seems what I was saying went right over your head. I took it that you were saying the authorities are getting rid of the riff raff. I was responding that that may well be, but that will do nothing for the prices that have gotten out of hand.[/QUOTE]300 mil is standard for Gringos living in Cartegena.

200 mil easily available.

Many ask for 10 O US.

The rest are all outliers.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2803831]The tryst link you posted is of an American escort. Yes. Top end escorts get paid great money IN THE UNITED STATES. Not in Colombia.

Those girls did not earn those amounts he quoted. He could be a great guy, but he is obviously exaggerating on this point.[/QUOTE]I don't think your understanding what they are trying to say.

When a person comes from an environment where they are paying a high amount for a single night with a woman its not hard to believe that that individual believes they are getting a bargain by paying the same amount they would spend on 1 night for an entire 24 hours with a girl they like especially if the girl is staying with them for their entire stay for that GFE. That person is not worried about money because they have it to blow. The same way locals looks at gringos who pay $100 an hour for the same girl a local would pay 50 K an hour, everyone pays differently.

These specific girls are not making that much consistently, they have their highs and lows.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2803833]The information you are receiving is incorrect. The girls did not earn that much. These girls lie. Often for no reason at all. It's just who they are. I don't believe anything they say.[/QUOTE]I understand why you would think that. Perhaps you have not encountered the ones you can trust yet or take their word for what they say.

[QUOTE=Expateric;2803609]I am in Cartagena and not feeling like roaming the clock tower of Space Club. What are the current strip club recommendations? A dude here told me that Pley Club is no longer in business and Isis was dead. Is there a better strip club around Cartagena?[/QUOTE]Isis was renamed to Imperio and is just a regular club like Space, had a great night walking around looking for that place with a Chica one night to only realize it was Isis. All the strip clubs are in local spots, think 2 men on a Motocycle type spots. I personally wouldn't go to those areas after dark, but to each their own.

[QUOTE=Punter00;2803852]Didn't see any replies to Expateric.

Summarising the recommendations, as I understand them, after reading most recent 30+ pages on this forum. I am visiting Cartagena from 20 Apr.

Strip Bars:

Recommended: Fase Dos, La Isla, 808 & Gustos.

Not recommended: Space, Dolce, Delirium, Chica Linda Night Club, Flexx (where most foreigners end up)..[/QUOTE]Your information is a little mixed up and I can understand why, jajajaj.

I'm going to attempt to clarify it by copy / paste and add in additional information.

Recommended:

Fase Dos. Medellin, Colombia.

La Isla. Medellin, Colombia.

808 - Pattaya, Thailand.

Gustos. Medellin, Colombia.

Not recommended:

Space. Cartegena, Colombia.

Dolce. Cartegena, Colombia.

Delirium. Cartegena, Colombia.

Chica Linda Night Club. Cartegena, Colombia (way outside the walls in 2 men on a Motocycle territory).

Flexx. Pattaya, Thailand.

LDV & Space. These are Dolce and Space, they are right next to each other.

Streetwalkers, places to meet:

Clocktower. Torre De Reloj, speaking Spanish makes it go faster than standing there in the open using google translate on a phone.

Hotel las Carretas (see girls walking the triangle) - All girls walk by there at a certain point and its better than standing by the clubs.

The Pan Debono bakery (Calle de San Agustin Chiquita and Calle Del Porvenir). - All girls walk by there at a certain point and its better than standing by the clubs.

Plaza del Reloj. I don't know what this is unless its the Clocktower.

Website to find girls:

Mileroticos.

Skodda.

Photoprepagos.

The websites are self-explanatory, I've never found anything I personally like on there due to I like them under 25, no kids, in shape, natural body, little to no tattoos and I just don't have the patience to dig through all those postings where they blur their face or have no pictures of them which is why I prefer Tinder.

Good luck, use what works for you, stay safe!

[QUOTE=Nypher;2804134]Your information is a little mixed up and I can understand why, jajajaj.

I'm going to attempt to clarify it by copy / paste and add in additional information.

Recommended:

Fase Dos. Medellin, Colombia.

La Isla. Medellin, Colombia.

808 - Pattaya, Thailand.

Gustos. Medellin, Colombia.

Not recommended:

Space. Cartegena, Colombia.

Dolce. Cartegena, Colombia.

Delirium. Cartegena, Colombia.

Chica Linda Night Club. Cartegena, Colombia (way outside the walls in 2 men on a Motocycle territory).

Flexx. Pattaya, Thailand.

LDV & Space. These are Dolce and Space, they are right next to each other.

Streetwalkers, places to meet:

Clocktower. Torre De Reloj, speaking Spanish makes it go faster than standing there in the open using google translate on a phone.

Hotel las Carretas (see girls walking the triangle) - All girls walk by there at a certain point and its better than standing by the clubs.

The Pan Debono bakery (Calle de San Agustin Chiquita and Calle Del Porvenir). - All girls walk by there at a certain point and its better than standing by the clubs.

Plaza del Reloj. I don't know what this is unless its the Clocktower.

Website to find girls:

Mileroticos.

Skodda.

Photoprepagos.

The websites are self-explanatory, I've never found anything I personally like on there due to I like them under 25, no kids, in shape, natural body, little to no tattoos and I just don't have the patience to dig through all those postings where they blur their face or have no pictures of them which is why I prefer Tinder.

Good luck, use what works for you, stay safe![/QUOTE]Why isn't anyone mentioning Angeles Bar Club in Cartagena? Is it still in operation?

[QUOTE=Nypher;2803902]I don't think your understanding what they are trying to say.

These specific girls are not making that much consistently, they have their highs and lows.

I understand why you would think that. Perhaps you have not encountered the ones you can trust yet or take their word for what they say.[/QUOTE]I guess some guys think if these women got that much scratch that the women will turn their noses up at them unless they have big $. That is the only reason I seem them so dedicated to calling you a liar.

Thing is one in 3 lottery winners is broke in 3 years, and I cannot tell you how many sugar babies I had who said they had had no money but had five figures worth of clothes and shoes in their apartments often with tags still on the clothes. Maybe there is one that has put the money to work like a Goldman Sachs intern but my guess is with the typical Colombian hooker, that money is gone now. She has bought things for her nose, expensive clothes on her back, and / or on her feet with uber expensive shoes. Point is a few women getting huge $ is not going to upset the pricing structure in Cartagena. Not at all. Said women will be broke again soon enough.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2803891]300 mil is standard for Gringos living in Cartegena.

200 mil easily available.

Many ask for 10 O US.

The rest are all outliers.[/QUOTE]300 mil pesos is not standard. 150 is standard for incalls in Pie de La Popa, Campestre, and Bosque. Get off of Tinder.

The girls you see on Tinder are meeting clients for 1/3 of what they will ask of you on there. Many of them publish online. Just contact them from a Colombian cellphone number, and you'll get the real price.

Counting down the days to my trip. Super close. Haven't been in about a year.

How much is a taxi from airport to Laguito? Still under 30 k?

Looking forward to the hunt! Just going to stick to what works. Tinder for day. Walk around and find girls too. My regular will be around whenever I want. And find some girls in the clubs.

I'm not a late night partier so not worried about things getting crazy.

Really looking forward to doing one of those massage places I mentioned during the day. My girl even said she will walk around with me. While I go in she will grab coffe. And then we can have lunch after I finish. She's the best hahaha.

Good day to everyone and thank you for your continued contributions to this thread. I was wondering if anyone had any good intel on guided culture tours. My trip isn't for another couple months but would like to at least build some rapport prior to arrival so that everything is everything. This has become an annual jaunt for my group and we strictly follow the recommendations of seniors (I. E leaving the matrix at home). Thanks in advance and monger strong.

Can somebody please let me know if the Hilton Nacar Hotel is guest friendly.

I know the difference between a tender girl and one works in a massage parlor. I also know the difference between a pimped out and Venezuelan and someone just in town at the beach in Bogota. You sure they're all kinds of women of all types including theprobably the fruit ladies.

Gringos with the selfie sticks and the YouTube posts of the final coffin here.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2804881]Counting down the days to my trip. Super close. Haven't been in about a year.

How much is a taxi from airport to Laguito? Still under 30 k?

Looking forward to the hunt! Just going to stick to what works. Tinder for day. Walk around and find girls too. My regular will be around whenever I want. And find some girls in the clubs.

I'm not a late night partier so not worried about things getting crazy.

Really looking forward to doing one of those massage places I mentioned during the day. My girl even said she will walk around with me. While I go in she will grab coffe. And then we can have lunch after I finish. She's the best hahaha.[/QUOTE]That's hilarious You think she wants to work If she's going to walk around and you are going to pay someone else to do the work? That's called a wife.

[QUOTE=Black345;2805214]Can somebody please let me know if the Hilton Nacar Hotel is guest friendly.[/QUOTE]They were for me, but for safety and security make sure your guest has her cedula in her possession. And don't forget to book the room for two, and be extra cautious partaking with a Vennie chica. They may look more appealing in general, but many don't deliver as promised!

Well maybe it sounds exciting to me since I don't have wife and never plan to hahahhaha. This chica I've known for 10 years. Fucking her throughout the trip. Knowing she drops me off before lunch to get a massage and stroked sounds hot to me. Ok baby. See you in about 30 minutes. Hahahaha.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2805566]Well maybe it sounds exciting to me since I don't have wife and never plan to hahahhaha. This chica I've known for 10 years. Fucking her throughout the trip. Knowing she drops me off before lunch to get a massage and stroked sounds hot to me. Ok baby. See you in about 30 minutes. Hahahaha.[/QUOTE]Life is good!

[QUOTE=WorldWideWes;2804919]Good day to everyone and thank you for your continued contributions to this thread. I was wondering if anyone had any good intel on guided culture tours. My trip isn't for another couple months but would like to at least build some rapport prior to arrival so that everything is everything. This has become an annual jaunt for my group and we strictly follow the recommendations of seniors (I. E leaving the matrix at home). Thanks in advance and monger strong.[/QUOTE]Yeah, use this company and try to get Cesar as your tour guide: [URL]https://www.facebook.com/peacetravelcolombia[/URL].

[URL]https://peacetravel.com.co/?fbclid=IwAR0TxdgnDSyzxquqhli5GKrZmblDb3FCTyDr3u7E_oP_yjpBgUe7oxDw6Sk[/URL]

Cesar is ridiculously connected. He will get you the best tables at the best restaurants and he is a walking encyclopedia of Cartagena. Outside of the standard spots, some of the group wanted to head to La Dolce Vita and he had a friend to go with them. The friend lined up a member of the group with a girl he knew because that member was not happy with LDV. This guy said the woman was top five of his life.

I can't get my woman to go to Mercardo Bazurto because of the danger and smell, but many in the group went to the market after I was gone. Anthony Bourdain went there, and I wanted to go as well. Anyway, Cesar arranged a guide and the guys who went said the food they had at this market was as good as the high end restaurants.

I was super impressed with this tour company. I had been coming to Cartagena for a year. These guys hired this tour company and hit all the highlights of Cartagena with Cesar and his crew in 5 days. When all was said and done, I think they knew as much about the city as I did.

Thanks for the feedback. We definitely enjoy our time spent over there every year but wanted to actually get some culture / history in between our daily romps. Sounds like I may have struck upon something to benefit all our needs. Monger safe.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2806211]Yeah, use this company and try to get Cesar as your tour guide: [URL]https://www.facebook.com/peacetravelcolombia[/URL].

[URL]https://peacetravel.com.co/?fbclid=IwAR0TxdgnDSyzxquqhli5GKrZmblDb3FCTyDr3u7E_oP_yjpBgUe7oxDw6Sk[/URL]

Cesar is ridiculously connected. He will get you the best tables at the best restaurants and he is a walking encyclopedia of Cartagena. Outside of the standard spots, some of the group wanted to head to La Dolce Vita and he had a friend to go with them. The friend lined up a member of the group with a girl he knew because that member was not happy with LDV. This guy said the woman was top five of his life.

I can't get my woman to go to Mercardo Bazurto because of the danger and smell, but many in the group went to the market after I was gone. Anthony Bourdain went there, and I wanted to go as well. Anyway, Cesar arranged a guide and the guys who went said the food they had at this market was as good as the high end restaurants.

I was super impressed with this tour company. I had been coming to Cartagena for a year. These guys hired this tour company and hit all the highlights of Cartagena with Cesar and his crew in 5 days. When all was said and done, I think they knew as much about the city as I did.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the feedback. We definitely enjoy our time spent over there every year but wanted to actually get some culture / history in between our daily romps. Sounds like I may have struck upon something to benefit all our needs. I've already contact him and it's refreshing to know there are other services available. Thanks again. Monger safe.

Hey all,

I have gone through a lot of this and tried the search, but haven't been able to find much. Maybe just unfamiliarity with this forum, so sorry for a question that I am sure has been answered.

New to the game but will be in the city for a few days. Want to avoid the risks of picking up random places and bringing them over, as I am just not experienced enough to know how to do it well. Are there any brothels (I believe they are called casas?) or massage places anyone would recommend?

More looking for a place that I can release some stress after a day of travel than a date or GFE!

Thanks.

Hi Nypher,

Thanks for the assist.

Spent hours summarizing the various posts. Really appreciate your corrections. Hate to do all that work for nothing!

Was hoping to find a local contact who could help line up some girls when I arrive. Got 1 recommendation but it seems to be a dead end.

Anyone else travelling 21st to 27th April.

Would be good to find another monger to grab a beer with and compare stories & experience.

Punter00.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2804134]Your information is a little mixed up and I can understand why, jajajaj.

I'm going to attempt to clarify it by copy / paste and add in additional information.

Recommended:

Fase Dos. Medellin, Colombia.

La Isla. Medellin, Colombia.

808 - Pattaya, Thailand.

Gustos. Medellin, Colombia.

Not recommended:

Space. Cartegena, Colombia.

Dolce. Cartegena, Colombia.

Delirium. Cartegena, Colombia.[/QUOTE]

Can anyone recommend any good strip bars, nightclubs to meet girls in Cartagena?

Feedback is all the ones mentioned in previous posts are not recommended: Space, Dolce, Delirium & Chica Linda Night Club.

[QUOTE=Punter00;2807090]Can anyone recommend any good strip bars, nightclubs to meet girls in Cartagena?

Feedback is all the ones mentioned in previous posts are not recommended: Space, Dolce, Delirium & Chica Linda Night Club.[/QUOTE]It doesn't really matter what clubs you go to in Centro, they will all have negatives, the only difference is does that negative relate to you.

For example if you don't like hip hop, gangsa rap or trap music and the crowd it attracts then you may want to avoid clubs that constantly paly that type of music. If you don't like fake asses, fake tits, lips that look like a bee stung them then you would want to avoid clubs that those chica gather in concentration.

Space. Middle ground of everything in music and women. They play all kinds of music and attract all kinds of girls, I've met most of my best girls in here, BUT that was before COVID.

Dolce. You may have issues getting in unless you get bottle service, most girls are plastic, most girls will overcharge by starting off at 800 K.

Delirium. Hiphop, trap music, gangsta rap. Way too much hookah for such a little space, way too much Pop Smoke music, girls are more hood looking so lots of tattoos, excessive fake hair, 2 inch long fake nails.

VOSP. A bigger Delirium.

Imperio. Similar to Space.

Clock Town Pub. Careful, there are Trans mixed in with the women here. If they look cuter than the others around them, then its a man.

Optional places if you have a Chica with you.

Bronx Afro House. Lots of steps, usually empty and not really a place working chicas go to.

Atlanta Hookah Bar. Not really a place to meet chicas but a place to go if you have a chica with you.

Oasis Rooftop. Not really a place to meet chicas but a place to go if you have a chica with you. Usually empty so you will have the whole place to yourself and can watch the search lights in the sky.

Mirador. Not really a place to meet chicas but a place to go if you have a chica with you. Chances are you will see a gringo with a chica you been with earlier.

El Portal. Not really a place to meet chicas but a place to go if you have a chica with you. Music leans more towards Hip hop. Most girls from Delirium and VSOP will end up here with gringos.

Monkey Bar. Completely ignore this place unless you want to encounter the same type of women you left home to get away from because there are no local girls in there.

Alquimico. Another place you can ignore. Its here for tourists and if you happen to see a working girl in there, she is with a gringo.

Hi! Excited to make my way across Colombia for 2 weeks beginning today! I am a big contributor (see Asia, Rio, Santiago, Tijuana, etc.) when I travel and this time come with questions first after RTTF. Reports coming once I experience them.

I think Rzrfl69 will be in town -- let's see if we can't find a massage place haha. Or at least a non-drugged beer?

PerkinWarbeck -- could you please opine on the BocaG incalls? I'm very interested in avoiding the late night club scene.

OnFireBoy -- would love to meet up and / or go through you for some more trustworthy chicas.

Thanks to all in advance -- please let me know what I can do for you as well!

This board seems dead, cold and unresponsive. Very strange for so much action on the ground. So I'll respond in kind and give up a little bit instead of everything.

Clock square got going well before 8 pm and it's easy and safe to walk up to as many girls as you want and negotiate for exactly what you want. Hang out on the street. No problem. Grab a by the hour hotel less than 2 blocks away and fuck her like crazy. 300 mil to the girl and 100 mil to the hotel. Easy. Too expensive and I'm driving the price up? Most girls quoted 500 mil and up and I spent an hour getting exactly the body I wanted with the flirty connection I wanted and the age I wanted. If you're a cheapskate you can get a working P for less but wtf do I care about an extra 100 mil.

Didn't find any action around hollywood beach.

Tinder is your friend and I'll leave it at that.

Cart is more touristy city so you have higher prices in general but Cart has the beach so you can see chicas in their bikinis which is good because sexy clothes can be deceiving.

Average price street girl at the clock should be 200 p, many girls say 250 p but they will take 200 p. Although I had some amazing service with girls for only 150 p. Even the higher end call girls will say 500 p but can be talked down to 300 p.

Many speak no english at all so be ready with google translate to negotiate.

Peak time around the clock tower is 11 pm, that's when the most girls are out and you have the best selection.

Lastly NEVER EXCHANGE MONEY ON THE STREET! There are street guys saying they will exchange for higher rates but they have old or fake pesos, always go to a storefront or withdraw from an ATM.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2807744]It doesn't really matter what clubs you go to in Centro, they will all have negatives, the only difference is does that negative relate to you.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the insight & detail Nypher.

Just arrived in Cartagena today.

Spending 2 days at Manzanillo beach, then heading into the centre.

Will report back!

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2807984]Hi! Excited to make my way across Colombia for 2 weeks beginning today![/QUOTE]Hey USAinEurope, PM me if you want to meet up in Cartagena. Just arrived today, first time in Columbia but have travelled quite a bit in South & Central America (and mongered around the word).

Staying in Manzanillo beach for 2 nights, then in the old city 22 to 27 Apr.

[QUOTE=Punter00;2809620]Hey USAinEurope, PM me if you want to meet up in Cartagena. Just arrived today, first time in Columbia but have travelled quite a bit in South & Central America (and mongered around the word).

Staying in Manzanillo beach for 2 nights, then in the old city 22 to 27 Apr.[/QUOTE]Can't message you but I'll be in Cartagena this upcoming week also! Will be hanging out around hollywood beach and old city.

Will be flying in CTG on the 25th, any boots on the ground want a wingman. It'll be my first time! PM me.

Hi Evx69,

My post had a place to meet & date / time.

These were removed from my post.

Guessing moderator doesn't want you to arrange any meets until you buy membership.

[QUOTE=Evx69;2809803]Can't message you but I'll be in Cartagena this upcoming week also! Will be hanging out around hollywood beach and old city.[/QUOTE]

Sent PM with contact details.

See you on 25th.

I sm in CTG this afternoon & leave on 27th.

[QUOTE=Jdf972;2809931]Will be flying in CTG on the 25th, any boots on the ground want a wingman. It'll be my first time! PM me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Punter00;2810069]Hi Evx69,

My post had a place to meet & date / time.

These were removed from my post.

Guessing moderator doesn't want you to arrange any meets until you buy membership.[/QUOTE]That's what it looks like, and I'm not mad at it. I was at Hollywood beach today and got a few numbers. A lot more crowded than last year but not really many lookers. I'm sure we'll somehow run into each other, this city is very very small. If you see a solo guy by himself just say Hi.

First night in Cartagena old town.

Went to clock tower, as suggested. Walked around the circuit by myself several times & never felt unsafe. Lots of police around flashing lights and driving about so everyone know they ate present but didn't see them hassling anybody.

Few girls when I arrived at 21:00. By 22:00 30+ Girls congregated around clock tower entrance. Sitting on benches or standing about.

First girl I spoke to was a bit older but very petite, engaging & enthusiastic. Asked to bring her friend & I said no.

She wanted 300 million. I was happy with that price but acted like it was a lot of money for me. Told her she would have to earn it.

She agreed BBBJ & sex with condom and took me to a short time hotel (coincidently close to my hotel).

Great energy, laughing and joking together. We stripped and I complimented her body, which she seemed to genuinely appreciate. She started BBBJ without prompting. No complaints when I wanted sex again and again. She gave a very convincing performance of being into it herself. Sex was amazing. I came twice, unusual for me.

Paid her 400 million, as service was so much better than average and far, far better than most any escort in London.

We went for a beer and a chat. Ended up dancing at a salsa bar and getting aroused again. Took her back to the short-time Hotel and fucked her several more times.

Great service. No complaining about getting sore, BBBJ or asking for more money. Happy to have sex as many times as I like, in any position.

Out of hundreds of escorts in dozens of countries, definitely in my top 10. Going to see her again tonight.

Cesar provides a great walking tour. He does not have any info about escorts.

Told him how I got his details. He shared a WhatsApp message he got from someone asking him about meeting escorts.

He was very worried the police would think he was involved in this.

Promised I would post this message for him advising that he can't help or give any advice about getting girls.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2806211]Yeah, use this company and try to get Cesar as your tour guide: peacetravelcolombia [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Punter00;2810357]Cesar provides a great walking tour. He does not have any info about escorts.

Told him how I got his details. He shared a WhatsApp message he got from someone asking him about meeting escorts.

He was very worried the police would think he was involved in this.

Promised I would post this message for him advising that he can't help or give any advice about getting girls.[/QUOTE]He is not involved with escorts, and I cannot believe anyone would have been stupid enough to think he is. I help out guys to have a good time and this is the thanks I get? Fuck you to whomever texted him that.

Hello all, I have mongered in Morocco and Germany extensively but just begun going to Cartagena three years ago. I like CTG the most because you can combine mongering with great weather, typical beach vibes, affordability, and a nice old city for some "in-between girls" diversions. As others have pointed out, there are lots of clubs to find the WGs at night, and Tinder and SA for daytime action. The first time I went I thought I was being smart by lining up talent before I got there and got a sense of the lay of the land. Bad idea! That just opened me up to the girls who are savvy enough to prey on gringos like myself who didn't know the local prices and how easy it is to get girls there, and try to charge rates just under what you would pay for a SA girl in the states. They also tend to have shit attitudes, especially Melodia 1234 from SA. Stay away!

Anyway I'm going back 24-31 May if anyone else wants to join me at some point, DM me.

[QUOTE=Punter00;2810352]

Out of hundreds of escorts in dozens of countries, definitely in my top 10. Going to see her again tonight.[/QUOTE]Looks like you found a keeper, I would suggest to get her Instagram because her number will change if her phone is lost or stolen. Also try to get 2 more good ones as backups as these girls constantly disappear.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2810498]Looks like you found a keeper, I would suggest to get her Instagram because her number will change if her phone is lost or stolen. Also try to get 2 more good ones as backups as these girls constantly disappear.[/QUOTE]Most definitely, pm me if you want to meet up. I get in April 25th.

So first time to Medellin a few months ago. I'm playing on spending a few days and flying into Cartagena this time before Medellin. So any info people can give me I will take. Looking to find an Airbnb now that is guest friendly. I'm looking to do a dive for a day. Any particular recommendations I will also take. What's the beach or nicest beach to lounge at? Good restaurants? I see people talking about clubs. I don't speak much Spanish so that's always going to be some issues by itself even though I studying Spanish a little bit each day. Can one use Uber leaving the airport? Medellin you had to use a taxi when leaving the airport. Thanks in advance If anyone has any good contacts let me know also of good women. I have my account set up on facebook and have friended many woman last visit but guys came thru with contacts prior to going and had some good results.

I assume you meant 300 THOUSAND not 300 Million. I understand how it can be confusing. The currency is printed with the denomination followed by "mil". "Mil" is Latin for Thousand (roughly). In measurement 1 mil is one-thousandth of an inch.

[QUOTE=Punter00;2810352]First night in Cartagena old town.

Went to clock tower, as suggested. Walked around the circuit by myself several times & never felt unsafe. Lots of police around flashing lights and driving about so everyone know they ate present but didn't see them hassling anybody.

Few girls when I arrived at 21:00. By 22:00 30+ Girls congregated around clock tower entrance. Sitting on benches or standing about.

First girl I spoke to was a bit older but very petite, engaging & enthusiastic. Asked to bring her friend & I said no.

She wanted 300 million. I was happy with that price but acted like it was a lot of money for me. Told her she would have to earn it.

She agreed BBBJ & sex with condom and took me to a short time hotel (coincidently close to my hotel).

Great energy, laughing and joking together. We stripped and I complimented her body, which she seemed to genuinely appreciate. She started BBBJ without prompting. No complaints when I wanted sex again and again. She gave a very convincing performance of being into it herself. Sex was amazing. I came twice, unusual for me.

Paid her 400 million, as service was so much better than average and far, far better than most any escort in London.

We went for a beer and a chat. Ended up dancing at a salsa bar and getting aroused again. Took her back to the short-time Hotel and fucked her several more times.

Great service. No complaining about getting sore, BBBJ or asking for more money. Happy to have sex as many times as I like, in any position.

Out of hundreds of escorts in dozens of countries, definitely in my top 10. Going to see her again tonight.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Muccells;2811615]So first time to Medellin a few months ago. I'm playing on spending a few days and flying into Cartagena this time before Medellin. So any info people can give me I will take. Looking to find an Airbnb now that is guest friendly. I'm looking to do a dive for a day. Any particular recommendations I will also take. What's the beach or nicest beach to lounge at? Good restaurants? I see people talking about clubs. I don't speak much Spanish so that's always going to be some issues by itself even though I studying Spanish a little bit each day. Can one use Uber leaving the airport? Medellin you had to use a taxi when leaving the airport. Thanks in advance If anyone has any good contacts let me know also of good women. I have my account set up on facebook and have friended many woman last visit but guys came thru with contacts prior to going and had some good results.[/QUOTE]You doing way too much.

Facebook will not get you much in Cartegena. Tinder will get you allot.

Uber works from the airport.

You don't need contacts for women, just go to the usual gringo spot. Daytime hollywood beach. Night time clock tower, space, delirium, dolce, Imperio, etc.

Restaurants everywhere, try them all but all I can say is the fish is best a the beach.

Started my night at clock tower pub to watch some sports. Dolce vita was dead until 10:30. At 1 am I decided to grab a taxi and do a stripclub tour. El paraiso was first got inside maybe 25 girls a bus was just leaving the club. They tried to make me buy 10 Coronas to enter so I left. One cute girl was waiting for me to stay but they pissed me off. Next up pley club. Bought a corona about 20 girls in the club two were cute but wouldn't come introduce themselves. Dolce was packed all night until 3 am ish. Space was ok two hot girls in there. Delirium was not my scene I was probably the only white gringo in the club. More of a hip hop scene.

[QUOTE=Punter00;2810352]First night in Cartagena old town.

Went to clock tower, as suggested. Walked around the circuit by myself several times & never felt unsafe. Lots of police around flashing lights and driving about so everyone know they ate present but didn't see them hassling anybody.

Few girls when I arrived at 21:00. By 22:00 30+ Girls congregated around clock tower entrance. Sitting on benches or standing about.

First girl I spoke to was a bit older but very petite, engaging & enthusiastic. Asked to bring her friend & I said no.

She wanted 300 million. I was happy with that price but acted like it was a lot of money for me. Told her she would have to earn it.

She agreed BBBJ & sex with condom and took me to a short time hotel (coincidently close to my hotel).

Great energy, laughing and joking together. We stripped and I complimented her body, which she seemed to genuinely appreciate. She started BBBJ without prompting. No complaints when I wanted sex again and again. She gave a very convincing performance of being into it herself. Sex was amazing. I came twice, unusual for me.

Paid her 400 million, as service was so much better than average and far, far better than most any escort in London.

We went for a beer and a chat. Ended up dancing at a salsa bar and getting aroused again. Took her back to the short-time Hotel and fucked her several more times.

Great service. No complaining about getting sore, BBBJ or asking for more money. Happy to have sex as many times as I like, in any position.

Out of hundreds of escorts in dozens of countries, definitely in my top 10. Going to see her again tonight.


[/QUOTE]For clarification. Did you pay the chicka 300,000 pesos? Or 300,000,000 pesos?

N_R.

[QUOTE=Nite_Runner;2811856]For clarification. Did you pay the chicka 300,000 pesos? Or 300,000,000 pesos?

N_R.[/QUOTE]More than likely they paid the lesser amount at 300 K.

No sane person is going to pay 300 million COP but 300 mil or 300 K (thousand), yes that's fair.

[QUOTE=Nite_Runner;2811856]For clarification. Did you pay the chicka 300,000 pesos? Or 300,000,000 pesos?[/QUOTE]Does that really need to be clarified? You would sincerely believe that he gave a chick $65,000?

Is Cialis available OTC and easy to find at pharmacies in the walled city? Been traveling for a while and am running low.

[QUOTE=YogaMax23;2812424]Is Cialis available OTC and easy to find at pharmacies in the walled city? Been traveling for a while and am running low.[/QUOTE]Any pharmacy in Cartagena you should get Cialis or Viagra.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2811912]Does that really need to be clarified? You would sincerely believe that he gave a chick $65,000?[/QUOTE]Lmfaooo- this comment has me dead.

Mr E. I see you frequent both the CTG and RDJ threads hahah- nice.

I just got done posting my trip report about how Rio is hands down > than Colombia, no question- I challenge to find someone who disagrees.

[QUOTE=AcesOnTheRiver;2812925]... I challenge to find someone who disagrees.[/QUOTE]I only agree with you for short trip for few weeks for newbies. You are barely scratching the surface of either places based on what I read.

If you don't think so, read his reports to see if you can compare your trip with his. I am just picking the latest report.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2813026]Today is my last day. So going to make it count. Have dates lined up with fb girl #1, 2, and 3 or 4 (I forget)...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2813136]I only agree with you for short trip for few weeks for newbies. You are barely scratching the surface of either places based on what I read.

If you don't think so, read his reports to see if you can compare your trip with his. I am just picking the latest report.[/QUOTE]

Yea well you got me, basically spot on LOL. I've done about 8 CTG/MDE trips and one trip to RIO, always 5 nights. I’m always on a mission though cuz the 5 night restriction- no time for FB or SA or non pros) That is for sure newb stats on this forum. But i’m so glad i finally tried Rio over Ctg- I had a way greater experience in my 5 nights there..

After a lot of research and travel advice, I decided to graduate from mongering in the DR and head down to CTG for 4 nights. I had more than enough to keep me occupied with Tinder Gold throughout the whole trip just in case I got lonely. Once I arrived, I decided to meet up with fellow ISG member Punter00 for a nice tour of the centro area since he had been there a few days prior as you see from his report. Thank god for the subscription. Clock tower is pretty decent even on the weekdays as we met up the first two nights for beers and watching the ladies stroll in. I was a bit nervous picking up girls as they are not in your face like Sosua, so I fell back on my Tinder ladies on Whatapp since I had already negotiated everything. I don't know if it was just the weekday or the kind of girls, but I was getting GFE action all week for 200-250 mil COP. I prefer the Afro girls and they were all from Venezuela. Since this was really an intel trip for a future trip for my scared buddies. I can now verify and confidently say that Cartagena is the real deal, and I felt very safe with very little Spanish and of course street smarts. Thank you Punter00 for your patience and hospitality!

Have visited Medellin, Bogota, and Cali but never been to Cartagena for whatever reason.

Understand there is beach and dynamics are different from other cities but is it worth visiting now?

From reading few reports, there is some action from clock tower which I thought city banned the working girls after few American guys making it rain and making some videos of it.

Any feedback will be appreciated.

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2813474]Have visited Medellin, Bogota, and Cali but never been to Cartagena for whatever reason.

Understand there is beach and dynamics are different from other cities but is it worth visiting now?

From reading few reports, there is some action from clock tower which I thought city banned the working girls after few American guys making it rain and making some videos of it.

Any feedback will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Clock tower is in full effect and the beaches, just GOOO!

LOL.

I gave her a bit less than 80 USD. 300 "whatever number of" pesos.

The whole mil versus million versus thousand was doing my head in!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2811912]Does that really need to be clarified? You would sincerely believe that he gave a chick $65,000?[/QUOTE]

Great to meet up in CTG Jdf972!

Just arrived back in the UK, after a few days with the in-laws in USA & been telling some of my UK mates about hanging with you at the clock tower.

Hope to meet up again someday!

[QUOTE=Jdf972;2813466]After a lot of research and travel advice, I decided to graduate from mongering in the DR and head down to CTG for 4 nights. I had more than enough to keep me occupied with Tinder Gold throughout the whole trip just in case I got lonely. Once I arrived, I decided to meet up with fellow ISG member Punter00 for a nice tour of the centro area since he had been there a few days prior as you see from his report. Thank god for the subscription. Clock tower is pretty decent even on the weekdays as we met up the first two nights for beers and watching the ladies stroll in. I was a bit nervous picking up girls as they are not in your face like Sosua, so I fell back on my Tinder ladies on Whatapp since I had already negotiated everything. I don't know if it was just the weekday or the kind of girls, but I was getting GFE action all week for 200-250 mil COP. I prefer the Afro girls and they were all from Venezuela. Since this was really an intel trip for a future trip for my scared buddies. I can now verify and confidently say that Cartagena is the real deal, and I felt very safe with very little Spanish and of course street smarts. Thank you Punter00 for your patience and hospitality![/QUOTE]

Date: 23 Apr, 2023.

Location: Somewhere in Cartagena.

Had such a great experience with the girl I met at the clock tower, I decided to see her again the next night.

I refused to take her friend with us the night we met. In my experience escorts 3-somes seldom meet expectations. Hard work to control the situation and keep the girls focused on what matters. My meat & 2 veg. More challenging when I don't speak the local lingo. Which I usually don't.

Anyway, told my girl to get her friend & some weed around to her place and we would have a 3-some.

My taxi driver started to act nervous as we got close to her place, saying it wasn't a great area and was I sure I wanted to get out there. When I called her for directions, she put some guy on to the chat to the taxi driver. Started seeming a bit dodgy but thought WTF, it's an adventure. Didn't have anything very valuable with me, other than my phone and kidneys.

Finally found her place and she brought me up to the room. Her friend joined after a while & we shared a joint, danced and stripped off. Went to the bedroom and my girl was making sure her friend put in the effort. Smoked more than intended and took a while to get into performance condition.

Banged her friend for a while but was so stoned that I am not certain if I really came or not. Took a little break and my girl got me hard again.

As I started screwing my girl, her friend crawled onto my back and acting strange. I remember her whispering death threats in my ear, saying things like "your going to die here tonight' and 'you should have never come here'. I am pretty sure it was all weed-induced paranoia but the girl was definitely acting weird.

Somehow managed to stay focused on the sex, ignoring the death threats (hallucinations? And came. So told the girls I was heading home and called a cab. While we were waiting the friend started telling me she was a dog and I should take her home as a pet. I am pretty sure her meaning was somewhat garbled by the pot-paranoia and our broken English / Spanish attempt to speak.

Paranoia was running full steam by this point, so waited for the Uber driver to get close to the building before leaving my girls' apartment. When we got the front door, a steel gate had been padlocked in place and the girls didn't have the key. The friend started banging on someone's door near the entrance and I was convinced she was getting her pimp to come out and fulfill her sexy death threats. In reality, it was the landlady who finally gave us the key for the padlock.

All in all, quite an adventure. Even if 80% of it was all in my head.

I am not that interested in accumulating possessions or impressing people. My goal is to fill my memory with experiences, life in the gutter or in fast lane. But not in a fucking Holiday Inn. Anything that isn't average and forgettable is a gem for me, especially if I don't get seriously hurt along the way.

This is definitely a great memory for my "wank bank". Also an interesting little event to relive in my deathbed "life review & flashback" - when my life flashes before my eyes.

Does anything else in life matter?

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2813474]Have visited Medellin, Bogota, and Cali but never been to Cartagena for whatever reason.

Understand there is beach and dynamics are different from other cities but is it worth visiting now?

From reading few reports, there is some action from clock tower which I thought city banned the working girls after few American guys making it rain and making some videos of it.

Any feedback will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Most of the youtube clowns shifted in Brazil and Thailand (Pattaya) so the throwing money in the air is not as frequent. The ClockTower was only cleared out during the Christmas holiday, all the girls are back. Well not all of them as many left. But you would be surprised of how many of them (mostly Venezuelans) I see posting selfies on Instagram and Whatsapp status in Houston, Atlanta, Tampa and New York City over the last 4 months.

The beach is a bit of a mixed bag due to the construction I saw when I was there in February but if you want a Sosua experience x10 in everything the Hollywood beach is the place to go and I do literately mean x10 in everything including the annoying mongers, vendors, and massage ladies. If you want a quieter beach then it will be a day trip to one of the islands with clearer water about $100 a person.

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Yeah short trip trying to squeeze it all in. On any trip I'm pretty busy since I go to other countries to do stuff, adventures and see the culture. So at times a lot going on, but like Medellin I had to put in work prior to reap some benefits, which many vets recommend. Since there is my first time here I wanted info to help me out.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2811673]You doing way too much.

Facebook will not get you much in Cartegena. Tinder will get you allot.

Uber works from the airport.

You don't need contacts for women, just go to the usual gringo spot. Daytime hollywood beach. Night time clock tower, space, delirium, dolce, Imperio, etc.

Restaurants everywhere, try them all but all I can say is the fish is best a the beach.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2813870]......including the annoying mongers....[/QUOTE]What made the mongers annoying?

[QUOTE=Nypher;2813870]If you want a quieter beach then it will be a day trip to one of the islands with clearer water about $100 a person.[/QUOTE]A chick that I mess with family member owns a company so she sent me the pdf of the brochure. I broke it down to screenshots to put here. The most expensive package is 170,000 pesos or $37. $100 seems to be the super ripoff tourist price.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2814561]A chick that I mess with family member owns a company so she sent me the pdf of the brochure. I broke it down to screenshots to put here. The most expensive package is 170,000 pesos or $37. $100 seems to be the super ripoff tourist price.[/QUOTE]You're right, looking back at the credit card transaction it was 290,000 pesos for 2 tickets.

I forgot to add details of how it came to that number but below is what I can remember from the last island.

I went to Luxury VIP, it was about 290 K COP per person for the tickets, standard lunch and unlimited basic drinks included. But of course, we started ordering drinks that were not part of the all-inclusive package, I was a little extra hungry so I had 2 meals jajaja, the lobster guy came by with the lobsters, then came the Aquarium hustle where I wanted to see this dolphin show I always hear about but never went so we had to pay to get into the aquarium, then pay separately to swim with the dolphins.

Due to me adding extras it came out to about $100 per person.

I forgot to clarify that, I should have clarified that.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2814516]What made the mongers annoying?[/QUOTE]The usual, extra loud, recording everything for youtube, live streaming, and the feeding the pelican's effect.

Its like walking on Playa Sosua by that bar that have all the green Presidente umbrellas during a holiday weekend like Memorial Day.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2814633]The usual, extra loud, recording everything for youtube, live streaming, and the feeding the pelican's effect.

Its like walking on Playa Sosua by that bar that have all the green Presidente umbrellas during a holiday weekend like Memorial Day.[/QUOTE]Are you sure they were mongers? US gringos are like that everywhere in the world you go. In Sosua they're like 96% mongers. I would hate to think its the same at Hollywood beach, Cartagena.

[QUOTE=Punter00;2813717]Date: 23 Apr, 2023.

Location: Somewhere in Cartagena.

Had such a great experience with the girl I met at the clock tower, I decided to see her again the next night.

I refused to take her friend with us the night we met. In my experience escorts 3-somes seldom meet expectations. Hard work to control the situation and keep the girls focused on what matters. My meat & 2 veg. More challenging when I don't speak the local lingo. Which I usually don't.

Anyway, told my girl to get her friend & some weed around to her place and we would have a 3-some.

My taxi driver started to act nervous as we got close to her place, saying it wasn't a great area and was I sure I wanted to get out there. When I called her for directions, she put some guy on to the chat to the taxi driver. Started seeming a bit dodgy but thought WTF, it's an adventure. Didn't have anything very valuable with me, other than my phone and kidneys.

Finally found her place and she brought me up to the room. Her friend joined after a while & we shared a joint, danced and stripped off. Went to the bedroom and my girl was making sure her friend put in the effort. Smoked more than intended and took a while to get into performance condition.

Banged her friend for a while but was so stoned that I am not certain if I really came or not. Took a little break and my girl got me hard again.

As I started screwing my girl, her friend crawled onto my back and acting strange. I remember her whispering death threats in my ear, saying things like "your going to die here tonight' and 'you should have never come here'. I am pretty sure it was all weed-induced paranoia but the girl was definitely acting weird.

Somehow managed to stay focused on the sex, ignoring the death threats (hallucinations? And came. So told the girls I was heading home and called a cab. While we were waiting the friend started telling me she was a dog and I should take her home as a pet. I am pretty sure her meaning was somewhat garbled by the pot-paranoia and our broken English / Spanish attempt to speak.

Paranoia was running full steam by this point, so waited for the Uber driver to get close to the building before leaving my girls' apartment. When we got the front door, a steel gate had been padlocked in place and the girls didn't have the key. The friend started banging on someone's door near the entrance and I was convinced she was getting her pimp to come out and fulfill her sexy death threats. In reality, it was the landlady who finally gave us the key for the padlock.

All in all, quite an adventure. Even if 80% of it was all in my head.

I am not that interested in accumulating possessions or impressing people. My goal is to fill my memory with experiences, life in the gutter or in fast lane. But not in a fucking Holiday Inn. Anything that isn't average and forgettable is a gem for me, especially if I don't get seriously hurt along the way.

This is definitely a great memory for my "wank bank". Also an interesting little event to relive in my deathbed "life review & flashback" - when my life flashes before my eyes.

Does anything else in life matter?[/QUOTE]Cool story bro, glad you made it out safe. One thing I have learned from my travels, if a local tells you a place is not safe, that means 100% it isn't and you should not take your chances. At that point, the risk to reward is not worth it. Some guys who can blend in like a local and speak fluent Spanish may be able to push the limits more, but if you are an obvious gringo, its not worth the risk for a slightly cooler memory.

Your logic is sound in regard to building lasting memories and enjoying life. Part of that same logic is also preserving your health. Those hallucinations are your mind telling you to chill out. You are actually damaging your brain and your brain is telling you enough. Excessive amounts of coke, booze, weed, pills, or other drugs eventually do this. My advice would be to chill out on the drugs for awhile and when you go back to them ease your way in and make sure the hallucinations cease. I have seen more than a few guys really fuck them selves up and it usually starts with them being really fucked up when they are really not even doing a lot of drugs.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2814809]Are you sure they were mongers? US gringos are like that everywhere in the world you go. In Sosua they're like 96% mongers. I would hate to think its the same at Hollywood beach, Cartagena.[/QUOTE]I know a monger when I see one LOL.

Some of them I even recognize by face because I saw them in Sosua or they are part of a WhatsApp chat group I'm in or a YouTuber.

The majority of these individuals only stick to certain places so they become familia the others are just walking clones. It's easy to pick them out. Jordan's or Yeezes on their feet, wearing PhatFarm or Fubu, walking around in a group, and allot of them are over 250 lb.

One thing I have not seen so far at Playa Hollywood that I used to see in Playa Sosua is the 300 lb monger who's so fat they have to stack 2 plastic chairs together to support their weight. I guess the chairs must be stronger in Cartagena LOL.

[QUOTE=Prezrol3080;2810436]Hello all, I have mongered in Morocco and Germany extensively but just begun going to Cartagena three years ago. I like CTG the most because you can combine mongering with great weather, typical beach vibes, affordability, and a nice old city for some "in-between girls" diversions. As others have pointed out, there are lots of clubs to find the WGs at night, and Tinder and SA for daytime action. The first time I went I thought I was being smart by lining up talent before I got there and got a sense of the lay of the land. Bad idea! That just opened me up to the girls who are savvy enough to prey on gringos like myself who didn't know the local prices and how easy it is to get girls there, and try to charge rates just under what you would pay for a SA girl in the states. They also tend to have shit attitudes, especially Melodia 1234 from SA. Stay away!

Anyway I'm going back 24-31 May if anyone else wants to join me at some point, DM me.[/QUOTE]I'll be out there at this time. I can't PM you. PM me.

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[QUOTE=Nypher;2815100]..... they are part of a WhatsApp chat group I'm in .....[/QUOTE]So you know these mongers personally. You're one of them. Great that you are better behaved. I have always thought that for gringos who monger in packs it is more about the drinking, partying and flaunting than about having sex.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2815405]So you know these mongers personally. You're one of them. Great that you are better behaved. I have always thought that for gringos who monger in packs it is more about the drinking, partying and flaunting than about having sex.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say I know them personally. They are more like familiar faces. Similar to if someone takes the same bus to work every day at the same time then more than likely it will be the same bus driver and their face becomes familiar along with other passengers that usually take that same bus. Familiar strangers, we know what each other look like we just don't interact, the most interaction if our eyes meet, maybe a head nod to say "sup" without any words LOL.

When I first started I used to talk to all the mongers, and then after a while I learned not to invite strangers into my life as I never know what they can pull me into especially when overseas where I don't have much knowledge of the local laws or can communicate effectively in the local language.

Many of us go there and behave but usually what happens is that they take the worst examples of us and use that as a baseline to apply it to all of us until we can prove differently which is an uphill battle as more people leave the hood, fly over seas and uphold the negative views.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2815434]I wouldn't say I know them personally. They are more like familiar faces. Similar to if someone takes the same bus to work every day at the same time then more than likely it will be the same bus driver and their face becomes familiar along with other passengers that usually take that same bus. Familiar strangers, we know what each other look like we just don't interact, the most interaction if our eyes meet, maybe a head nod to say "sup" without any words LOL.

When I first started I used to talk to all the mongers, and then after a while I learned not to invite strangers into my life as I never know what they can pull me into especially when overseas where I don't have much knowledge of the local laws or can communicate effectively in the local language.

Many of us go there and behave but usually what happens is that they take the worst examples of us and use that as a baseline to apply it to all of us until we can prove differently which is an uphill battle as more people leave the hood, fly over seas and uphold the negative views.[/QUOTE]The worst part of the monger / tourist / make it rain crowd is that the locals tend to look at gringos as fodder to be ripped off. I hate interacting with people who are just out to rip me off.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2815715]The worst part of the monger / tourist / make it rain crowd is that the locals tend to look at gringos as fodder to be ripped off. I hate interacting with people who are just out to rip me off.[/QUOTE]Speaking of the money throwing crowd, this was from last month in Delirium. I always warn travelers don't go there unless that's the type of behavior they want to be around, they say I'm overreacting, go there, then act surprised of the outcome like I didn't warn them LOL. This fake baller / rapper mentality just makes us all look bad.

[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@blackmantravels/video/7227898886273125678?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=mobile&sender_web_id=6958560912236185094[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2815798]Speaking of the money throwing crowd, this was from last month in Delirium. I always warn travelers don't go there unless that's the type of behavior they want to be around, they say I'm overreacting, go there, then act surprised of the outcome like I didn't warn them LOL. This fake baller / rapper mentality just makes us all look bad.

[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@blackmantravels/video/7227898886273125678?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=mobile&sender_web_id=6958560912236185094[/URL][/QUOTE]What does an unemployed, impoverished Colombian dude think when he sees an American throwing money in the air and Colombian women scampering to grab it?

That type of behavior in Colombia will attract attention from the wrong people -.

Reading through some of the recent post on this forum and sounds like Tinder is a popular way to meet working girls. I have read elsewhere some stories of meeting with girls on Tinder not going well in terms of safety. Is there anything you do to screen the girls before hand? Do you invite them to your room, meet in a public area, or just find short time location and not let them know where you are staying? Just curious, reading this forum you do not hear of many people having a bad time. A couple other places I have read, they have had some bad times.

This is true my friend. It has made me very reluctant to return. It's become a frenzy to remove you from you money.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2815434]I wouldn't say I know them personally. They are more like familiar faces. Similar to if someone takes the same bus to work every day at the same time then more than likely it will be the same bus driver and their face becomes familiar along with other passengers that usually take that same bus. Familiar strangers, we know what each other look like we just don't interact, the most interaction if our eyes meet, maybe a head nod to say "sup" without any words LOL.

When I first started I used to talk to all the mongers, and then after a while I learned not to invite strangers into my life as I never know what they can pull me into especially when overseas where I don't have much knowledge of the local laws or can communicate effectively in the local language.

Many of us go there and behave but usually what happens is that they take the worst examples of us and use that as a baseline to apply it to all of us until we can prove differently which is an uphill battle as more people leave the hood, fly over seas and uphold the negative views.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TravelnEurope;2816836]Reading through some of the recent post on this forum and sounds like Tinder is a popular way to meet working girls. I have read elsewhere some stories of meeting with girls on Tinder not going well in terms of safety. Is there anything you do to screen the girls before hand? Do you invite them to your room, meet in a public area, or just find short time location and not let them know where you are staying? Just curious, reading this forum you do not hear of many people having a bad time. A couple other places I have read, they have had some bad times.[/QUOTE]It's dangerous and a good place to find women at the same time. I personally cold approach (semi girls) 80 percent of the time, works well for me and the other 20 percent through facebook.

I'm not much of a tinder guy for obvious reason.

I wanted to post some dining options in MDE I experienced this past trip.

I went to the following.

OCI. MDE.

Carmen.

Colossal.

I cannot say enough about the above three and Colossal, up in the mountains, has one of the best views of Medellin, not cheap but relatively inexpensive by US standards, food at all three places was spectacular. I also went to a few local restaurants in Laureles, recommended by a local friend.

Here are three more I didn't get to.

Mamasita Medallo.

Alambique.

Herbário.

I plan to visit them next time.

[QUOTE=TheMan31;2817091]It's dangerous and a good place to find women at the same time. I personally cold approach (semi girls) 80 percent of the time, works well for me and the other 20 percent through facebook.

I'm not much of a tinder guy for obvious reason.[/QUOTE]Sorry, what's the obvious reason?

Can only speak for myself but Tinder is a scam as far as I am concerned. I rarely use it in Thailand because there are so many time wasters and scammers and have only subscribed once for a month to see if that would improve my experience. It did not. It's also in my phone for my location in US and there are tons of Chinese girls, many from Hong Kong who will ultimately try to sell you investments scams, crypto etc. Now that I am back in US, there also seem to be an increase in Russian or Ukrainian girls with the same BS. It's also highly probable they are not even women, just guys looking to rope you in and fish for personal info. They stole the pics from the internet and post them and prey on lonely guys. Many times they want your WhatsApp or Line contact to move the convo over there. Don't give it to them as they want to stay out of the radius of Tinder to avoid detection on their individual hustles.

On quite a few occasions, it will say that these woman live within a mile or two from me but they always have an excuse why they can't meet in person. That's an immediate tell that they are not legit.

[QUOTE=TravelnEurope;2817570]Sorry, what's the obvious reason?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2817812]Can only speak for myself but Tinder is a scam as far as I am concerned. I rarely use it in Thailand because there are so many time wasters and scammers and have only subscribed once for a month to see if that would improve my experience. It did not. It's also in my phone for my location in US and there are tons of Chinese girls, many from Hong Kong who will ultimately try to sell you investments scams, crypto etc. Now that I am back in US, there also seem to be an increase in Russian or Ukrainian girls with the same BS. It's also highly probable they are not even women, just guys looking to rope you in and fish for personal info. They stole the pics from the internet and post them and prey on lonely guys. Many times they want your WhatsApp or Line contact to move the convo over there. Don't give it to them as they want to stay out of the radius of Tinder to avoid detection on their individual hustles.

On quite a few occasions, it will say that these woman live within a mile or two from me but they always have an excuse why they can't meet in person. That's an immediate tell that they are not legit.[/QUOTE]It depends where you live in the world. In the USA it's a scam pretty much like everything else now in that country. Everything you write is pretty spot on.

However in Colombia I thought it was amazing. Girls would hit me up when we match and I had them come over to my apartment for sex and maybe because I did an ok job of vetting or maybe I got lucky but it was like ordering a pizza and I made some repeat hot friends with it.

Question for the group. What is a fair price to pay a girl to spend the day with me in CTG? Fuck 2-3 times, maybe hit the beach for a while, lunch and drinks etc?

[QUOTE=Prezrol3080;2818329]Question for the group. What is a fair price to pay a girl to spend the day with me in CTG? Fuck 2-3 times, maybe hit the beach for a while, lunch and drinks etc?[/QUOTE]It's really up to your negotiation skills YMMV. Make an offer and decide on services. Discuss everything upfront and make sure it's not a hustle. If you are a good judge of character and not one of these naive men then you can handle it. If not, you can be taken advantage of and receive shifty service and then you're stuck with that Chica. Always pay at the end of the date and never before because if you do you stand the risk of being scammed. Don't show any weakness, be firm, make plenty of eye contact, be decisive and don't be unsure. If you let these chicas direct you and steer you the way they want it won't turn out the way you want.

[QUOTE=TravelnEurope;2817570]Sorry, what's the obvious reason?[/QUOTE]Drugging and kidnappings man! . it's real I'm serious that is why I cold approach to read the woman before I make my move.

[QUOTE=TravelnEurope;2817570]Sorry, what's the obvious reason?[/QUOTE]There have been a large number of guys being drugged by girls they met from Tinder and few were killed, Paul Nguyen foremost among them. Most of it is centered in Medellin. I personally met a girl off of Bumble and after the second date we were at my place and she drugged me. Out for 3 days, nearly killed. The shit is no joke so be careful guys. You can probably find my report. It was posted in the Medellin forum back in mid to late November.

[QUOTE=Prezrol3080;2818329]Question for the group. What is a fair price to pay a girl to spend the day with me in CTG? Fuck 2-3 times, maybe hit the beach for a while, lunch and drinks etc?[/QUOTE]Depends bro on what you like. But I would say 80- 100 USD max. Just negotiate in pesos.

[QUOTE=TravelnEurope;2816836]Reading through some of the recent post on this forum and sounds like Tinder is a popular way to meet working girls. I have read elsewhere some stories of meeting with girls on Tinder not going well in terms of safety. Is there anything you do to screen the girls before hand? Do you invite them to your room, meet in a public area, or just find short time location and not let them know where you are staying? Just curious, reading this forum you do not hear of many people having a bad time. A couple other places I have read, they have had some bad times.[/QUOTE]Tinder in Cartagena was all I needed, just vet them properly and if they patient meet them in a public place. And if you like the vibe then roll out. Make sure you negotiate everything on Tinder whether its short time or GFE. Stay safe!

[QUOTE=Prezrol3080;2818329]Question for the group. What is a fair price to pay a girl to spend the day with me in CTG? Fuck 2-3 times, maybe hit the beach for a while, lunch and drinks etc?[/QUOTE]Answer is. It depends. On your negotiating skills and honesty age / attractiveness. They will quote you more if they deem it a chore. There are girls who will spend the day for free at standard ST price if they like you enough.

[QUOTE=Jdf972;2819576]Tinder in Cartagena was all I needed, just vet them properly and if they patient meet them in a public place. And if you like the vibe then roll out. Make sure you negotiate everything on Tinder whether its short time or GFE. Stay safe![/QUOTE]I have to advise against this.

Do not negotiate anything on Tinder or you can easily be banded if you get reported too many times. Girls will report you if they perceive you as an asshole.

Keep everything clean on Tinder, then take the conversation off to Instagram or Whatsapp and negotiate there. Most girls have their Instagram handle in their profile anyway so just talk to them over there. You don't want to be that guy getting banded and having to end up making a new Facebook or getting a new number just to use Tinder again.

[QUOTE=TravelnEurope;2816836]Reading through some of the recent post on this forum and sounds like Tinder is a popular way to meet working girls. I have read elsewhere some stories of meeting with girls on Tinder not going well in terms of safety. Is there anything you do to screen the girls before hand? Do you invite them to your room, meet in a public area, or just find short time location and not let them know where you are staying? Just curious, reading this forum you do not hear of many people having a bad time. A couple other places I have read, they have had some bad times.[/QUOTE]An idiot is going to be an idiot no matter where that idiot goes, and we've all been idiots some time or another.

Let me explain. With enough common sense anyone can avoid what allot of these individuals experience when going on these Tinder dates. The exact same thing where men getting set up to be drugged and / or robbed is happening right here in major cities in America such as Miami, Chicago, and New York City but the media is too busy pushing mass shootings, LGBT agenda, Trump, and BLM because a man getting robbed on a dating app does not generate enough attention or clicks to generate revenue so its not just a Colombia thing.

The exact same thing you would do in your home country to prioritize your safety should be the exact same thing you do while outside of your country.

Those stories you read of guys having bad Tinder experiences, what exactly did they do that was an obvious major red flag but was overlooked because hot young perky Latina is in front of them?

My #1 rule is before we meet they must send me a picture of their ID (Cedula / Passport / Permiso / Contrasena). If we meet randomly in public like a club, street, park, etc then they must have ID and allow me to take a picture of it if they are going to come with me.

Never let them outnumber you. AKA no extra friends on first meet. If I know the chica physically for while, extra friends are fine, but upon first contact, hell no.

Over the years, of all the dumb things I've done on these trips, I have not been drugged yet or set up to be robbed *knocks on wood*, the worst I've had was the "pay me XXX or I'm calling the cops" scam (once), or I turn my back and they steal money out my pocket (once). Both girls were not from Dating Apps.

Years ago the saying was "don't leave your common sense in Customs". Still holds true to today.

Hello,

My native language is Spanish, sorry for my shitty English.

I had been at CTG in August 2019 and it was quite well, most of the nights I was in Dolce and Space, I was with 8 beautiful Colombians and 8 Venezuelans in 21 days and I only repeated several days with a Venezuelan who was crazy hot. All the girls between 200 K-300 K ST, it was a good holidays.

So after the pandemic I repeated in August 2022 and things got much worse.

The girls at the Dolce were asking $100ST and $250 LT (they work in $). The first night when I started talking to the girls and they asked me for 400-500 K for ST, I said: are you crazy? But no, groups of 10-12 guys from USA came in and took all the girls, so they force us to go into the same game. I like the top 7-9 girls for a 5-6 I don't go to Colombia, and in the end I had to pay between 350-400 k (and bargaining).

But worst of all, the vagabonds have become more aggressive, they chase you all over the city and it's very uncomfortable. One night that I closed the Dolce, I was going out with a girl at 3, it was Monday or Tuesday, there were no police, and from the door of the dolce to a taxi on the corner, there were 5 meter, but around 5 boys surrounded me, they pushed me and they asked me to give them the money, I'm 2 m tall and I weigh almost 100 kg so I got off of them and got into the taxi, and even so they kept getting into the taxi asking me for money, for the girl and for the drugs they had given me, What drug? If I don't know you?? The truth is that it was scare. If you are alone, I do not recommend that you close the disco in the center because you could be a target.

Another negative point is that going to the beach is a pain, one day I went to Tierra Bomba with a friend and we agreed about 300 K (I don't remember exactly) to take us by boat round trip and some hammocks on the beach with a small lunch. Everything was going well but when we talked about going back to 'el laguito', they began to say that the hammocks were not included and I don't know what else, and that we had to pay 200 K more, what? That is not what was agreed, we were arguing, until we already discussed calling the police, and they relented, but a nice day at the beach was ruined.

In the end, everyone has become more aggressive and they try to rob you everywhere. Last week I didn't even go to the beach to avoid problems and at night I would retire as late at 2.

So this year, I'm thinking about another destination, as I like Latinas I'm studying Medellin, Sosua or Rio. I expect better luck.

Hello,

My native language is Spanish, sorry for my shitty English.

I had been in CTG in August 2019 and it was quite well, most of the nights I was in Dolce and Space, I was with 8 beautiful Colombians and 8 Venezuelans in 21 days and I only repeated several days with a Venezuelan who was crazy hot. All the girls between 200 K-300 K ST, it was a good holidays.

So after the pandemic I repeated in August 2022 and things got much worse.

The girls at the Dolce were asking $100ST and $250 LT (they work in $). The first night when I started talking to the girls and they asked me for 400-500 K for ST, I said: are you crazy? But no, groups of 10-12 guys from USA came in and took all the girls, so they force us to go into the same game. I like the top 7-9 girls for a 5-6 I don't go to Colombia, and in the end I had to pay between 350-400 k (and bargaining).

But worst of all, the vagabonds have become more aggressive, they chase you all over the city and it's very uncomfortable. One night that I closed the Dolce, I was going out with a girl at 3, it was Monday or Tuesday, there were no police, and from the door of the dolce to a taxi on the corner, there were 5 meter, but around 5 boys surrounded me, they pushed me and they asked me to give them the money, I'm 2 m tall and I weigh almost 100 kg so I got off of them and got into the taxi, and even so they kept getting into the taxi asking me for money, for the girl and for the drugs they had given me, What drug? If I don't know you?? The truth is that it was scare. If you are alone, I do not recommend that you close the disco in the center because you could be a target.

Another negative point is that going to the beach is a pain, one day I went to Tierra Bomba with a friend and we agreed about 300 K (I don't remember exactly) to take us by boat round trip and some hammocks on the beach with a small lunch. Everything was going well but when we talked about going back to 'el laguito', they began to say that the hammocks were not included and I don't know what else, and that we had to pay 200 K more, what? That is not what was agreed, we were arguing, until we already discussed calling the police, and they relented, but a nice day at the beach was ruined.

In the end, everyone has become more aggressive and they try to rob you everywhere. Last week I didn't even go to the beach to avoid problems and at night I would retire as late at 2.

So this year, I'm thinking about another destination, as I like Latinas I'm studying Medellin, Sosua or Rio. I expect better luck.

[QUOTE=ForroMambo;2819927]Hello,


So this year, I'm thinking about another destination, as I like Latinas I'm studying Medellin, Sosua or Rio. I expect better luck.[/QUOTE]None of those are any better. You can thank those Passport Boys for that. Inflation, Medellin is out of control with Scope, Sosua girls are talking in dollars and overweight walking like pigeons, and Rio is still a little iffy. I would say just avoid any area that the majority of those YouTubers are going in mass.

Forget Sosua, the same Gringos who are ruining Cartagena destroyed Sosua. It's an escalating cycle, hardened clients, hardened girls, more aggressive vendors and as you experienced even children.

[QUOTE=ForroMambo;2819955]Hello,

My native language is Spanish, sorry for my shitty English.

I had been in CTG in August 2019 and it was quite well, most of the nights I was in Dolce and Space, I was with 8 beautiful Colombians and 8 Venezuelans in 21 days and I only repeated several days with a Venezuelan who was crazy hot. All the girls between 200 K-300 K ST, it was a good holidays.

So after the pandemic I repeated in August 2022 and things got much worse.

The girls at the Dolce were asking $100ST and $250 LT (they work in $). The first night when I started talking to the girls and they asked me for 400-500 K for ST, I said: are you crazy? But no, groups of 10-12 guys from USA came in and took all the girls, so they force us to go into the same game. I like the top 7-9 girls for a 5-6 I don't go to Colombia, and in the end I had to pay between 350-400 k (and bargaining).

But worst of all, the vagabonds have become more aggressive, they chase you all over the city and it's very uncomfortable. One night that I closed the Dolce, I was going out with a girl at 3, it was Monday or Tuesday, there were no police, and from the door of the dolce to a taxi on the corner, there were 5 meter, but around 5 boys surrounded me, they pushed me and they asked me to give them the money, I'm 2 m tall and I weigh almost 100 kg so I got off of them and got into the taxi, and even so they kept getting into the taxi asking me for money, for the girl and for the drugs they had given me, What drug? If I don't know you?? The truth is that it was scare. If you are alone, I do not recommend that you close the disco in the center because you could be a target.

Another negative point is that going to the beach is a pain, one day I went to Tierra Bomba with a friend and we agreed about 300 K (I don't remember exactly) to take us by boat round trip and some hammocks on the beach with a small lunch. Everything was going well but when we talked about going back to 'el laguito', they began to say that the hammocks were not included and I don't know what else, and that we had to pay 200 K more, what? That is not what was agreed, we were arguing, until we already discussed calling the police, and they relented, but a nice day at the beach was ruined.

In the end, everyone has become more aggressive and they try to rob you everywhere. Last week I didn't even go to the beach to avoid problems and at night I would retire as late at 2.

So this year, I'm thinking about another destination, as I like Latinas I'm studying Medellin, Sosua or Rio. I expect better luck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2819658]I have to advise against this.

Do not negotiate anything on Tinder or you can easily be banded if you get reported too many times. Girls will report you if they perceive you as an asshole.

Keep everything clean on Tinder, then take the conversation off to Instagram or Whatsapp and negotiate there. Most girls have their Instagram handle in their profile anyway so just talk to them over there. You don't want to be that guy getting banded and having to end up making a new Facebook or getting a new number just to use Tinder again.[/QUOTE]Correction, I did discuss details on WhatApp. Just used Tinder to greet and get the WhatsApp number. You are absolutely correct, as I wasn't clear enough. Thanks for correcting my misinformation.

[QUOTE=ForroMambo;2819955]Hello,

My native language is Spanish, sorry for my shitty English.

I had been in CTG in August 2019 and it was quite well, most of the nights I was in Dolce and Space, I was with 8 beautiful Colombians and 8 Venezuelans in 21 days and I only repeated several days with a Venezuelan who was crazy hot. All the girls between 200 K-300 K ST, it was a good holidays.

So after the pandemic I repeated in August 2022 and things got much worse.

The girls at the Dolce were asking $100ST and $250 LT (they work in $). The first night when I started talking to the girls and they asked me for 400-500 K for ST, I said: are you crazy? But no, groups of 10-12 guys from USA came in and took all the girls, so they force us to go into the same game. I like the top 7-9 girls for a 5-6 I don't go to Colombia, and in the end I had to pay between 350-400 k (and bargaining).

But worst of all, the vagabonds have become more aggressive, they chase you all over the city and it's very uncomfortable. One night that I closed the Dolce, I was going out with a girl at 3, it was Monday or Tuesday, there were no police, and from the door of the dolce to a taxi on the corner, there were 5 meter, but around 5 boys surrounded me, they pushed me and they asked me to give them the money, I'm 2 m tall and I weigh almost 100 kg so I got off of them and got into the taxi, and even so they kept getting into the taxi asking me for money, for the girl and for the drugs they had given me, What drug? If I don't know you?? The truth is that it was scare. If you are alone, I do not recommend that you close the disco in the center because you could be a target.

Another negative point is that going to the beach is a pain, one day I went to Tierra Bomba with a friend and we agreed about 300 K (I don't remember exactly) to take us by boat round trip and some hammocks on the beach with a small lunch. Everything was going well but when we talked about going back to 'el laguito', they began to say that the hammocks were not included and I don't know what else, and that we had to pay 200 K more, what? That is not what was agreed, we were arguing, until we already discussed calling the police, and they relented, but a nice day at the beach was ruined.

In the end, everyone has become more aggressive and they try to rob you everywhere. Last week I didn't even go to the beach to avoid problems and at night I would retire as late at 2.

So this year, I'm thinking about another destination, as I like Latinas I'm studying Medellin, Sosua or Rio. I expect better luck.[/QUOTE]

Try Rio (you can find my detailed report in the Rio thread), I stayed in Copacabana, and never felt unsafe. It's Ubers every 2 min apart for pennies on the dollar. Pricing is similar to cartagena, but the Rio girls and service are by farrrrrrr greater (BBBJ being STANDARD should tell you everything you need to know about the service and the girls). CTG chicas spoiled and hardened AF now. Sousa is trash quality of chicas. I would go to Rio over and over again, however, the Only downside is the 14 hour travel/flight from NYC is insane, it's literally the only reason CTG still is an option for me- just booked CTG (5 hour non-stop for me) end of July, will report back!

[QUOTE=Kafka;2820134]Forget Sosua, the same Gringos who are ruining Cartagena destroyed Sosua. It's an escalating cycle, hardened clients, hardened girls, more aggressive vendors and as you experienced even children.[/QUOTE]Agree. The funny thing is 90% of them aren't making $100 k US, but they spend like they're making $1 M LOL.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2820189]Agree. The funny thing is 90% of them aren't making $100 k US, but they spend like they're making $1 M LOL.[/QUOTE]They save up to get ripped off for a weekend. LOL.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2820189]Agree. The funny thing is 90% of them aren't making $100 k US, but they spend like they're making $1 M LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes, they are not brokers, I can assure you, but USA is very close, in the CTG airport I could see flights from Miami every 2 hours, for example, they come for 3-4 days, I understand that they go on another plan, weekend with friends making money fly.

But for me it's my summer Holidats and I usually go 3 weeks, that rate of spending per night makes it more difficult for me. But no problem I work all the year for relax in holiday.

[QUOTE=AcesOnTheRiver;2820182]Try Rio (you can find my detailed report in the Rio thread), I stayed in Copacabana, and never felt unsafe. It's Ubers every 2 min apart for pennies on the dollar. Pricing is similar to cartagena, but the Rio girls and service are by farrrrrrr greater (BBBJ being STANDARD should tell you everything you need to know about the service and the girls). CTG chicas spoiled and hardened AF now. Sousa is trash quality of chicas. I would go to Rio over and over again, however, the Only downside is the 14 hour travel/flight from NYC is insane, it's literally the only reason CTG still is an option for me- just booked CTG (5 hour non-stop for me) end of July, will report back![/QUOTE]Sosua and Medellin have the same problem, buffff.

Then I will try Rio, I have good memories of Northeast Brazil, Natal, Fortaleza, in the past (2008-2013) but now that area is dead.

As you said Brazilian girls make different, they are allways my favorites.

Thanks a lot guys.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2820103]None of those are any better. You can thank those Passport Boys for that. Inflation, Medellin is out of control with Scope, Sosua girls are talking in dollars and overweight walking like pigeons, and Rio is still a little iffy. I would say just avoid any area that the majority of those YouTubers are going in mass.[/QUOTE]I have not been in Cartagena for almost a whole year and I had lived there on and off for over three years. I got reassigned back in the USA To work on the border for awhile but had time to make a few get aways which I found somewhat better than Cartagena, Sosua and Medellin and no weekend millionaires, yet. I had cute Latin's everywhere at super good prices not even 1 hour outside the USA.

I had a supper good time in Tijuana and in Cuba. I would feel really sorry for my USA Brothers to come to either and act the way they have in Sosua or Cartagena. I just returned from the Philippines' and Bangkok also good times in both. If what I hear is true that my Passport guys are not making over 100 K a year I don't expect to see them here, the airfare is high too high for just 4-5 days. My next trip to Cartagena will be soon for baseball business and find new management for my apartment as a Airbnb.

Love the Clock tower and the clubs but looking for a different option this time. Recommendations for online and bordellos, if they exist. Staying at a friendly hotel so guests are not a problem. Looking forward to meeting one of you guys for a beer.

[QUOTE=KcTalent;2820422] I just returned from the Philippines' and Bangkok also good times in both. If what I hear is true that my Passport guys are not making over 100 K a year I don't expect to see them here, the airfare is high too high for just 4-5 days. [/QUOTE]You must have just missed those Passport Bros.

They were over in Bangkok and Pattaya for that Rolling Loud concert that took place around Songkran and was online complaining about everyone throwing water during the holiday and they can't go out because they not trying not to get their Jordans wet. Many were doing the whole Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Cambodia, Vietnam, Philippines, etc.

They were making it rain with Bhat in a club in a YouTube video but I couldn't see which club.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fAyPXzEWE[/URL]

The same behavior that ruined Sosua is popping up more and more in Cartegena. Word is that all this was over a few dollars.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yER3KrQ3VI[/URL]

Gentlemen, Ignore the make it rain fools. The girls have to make a living and the rain can't be everywhere every day. My recent experience, less than a year ago, was 200 to 300 for basics with BBBJ and another 100 or 200 for anal. Truly good looking women. More women than idiots.

I am looking for the brothels, good online sites, and daytime places other than the beach. Thank you all in advance. Happy Memorial Day and happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2820754]The same behavior that ruined Sosua is popping up more and more in Cartegena. Word is that all this was over a few dollars.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yER3KrQ3VI[/URL][/QUOTE]Nypher, one time I met a chick off of seeking and we were having sex and she said, "I can tell the police that you raped me". So I stopped with the sex, got dressed and opened the door and threw the woman's money on the floor outside the door. Once she went to get it, I slammed it behind her. There were cameras in the hotel and everyone could see her for what she was really interested in. In separating myself from her, the woman could claim an economic issue, which at worst is for the courts to deal with and not a safety which at worse is one for the police.

And these women are trying to trick the men into making it a safety issue, and these dummies are falling for it. The men are yelling and moving in a threatening manner. That is totally wrong. You stay calm, express your desire for them to leave and it is best to record it. If they do not leave, you can do what I did if there are cameras. But if not, you pack up your stuff and you go down to the lobby and call for security.

Now we have seen security guards take the side of women when there are issues like this. If security says, "Just pay the women", I would say, "These women are trespassing, and your job as a security guard is to make certain people do not trespass. Do I need to let the management / owner know about this?" Now if the women do not leave, the security guard can notify the police, and the women not you are the ones breaking the law, and THEY are the security risk and can be arrested.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2821008]Gentlemen, Ignore the make it rain fools. The girls have to make a living and the rain can't be everywhere every day. My recent experience, less than a year ago, was 200 to 300 for basics with BBBJ and another 100 or 200 for anal.[/QUOTE]But can't you see that you are still making it rain? What do you think paying an EXTRA $23 or $45 for anal is? I am from the school that if a chick does whatever acts then she does whatever acts; not like that Tijuana shit where you got to pay a hooker $10 to take off her clothes. Here in Thailand when I take a chick all night for $30, I can ask her if she likes to fuck ass. If she says yes then it is fair game to fuck her ass included in the $30. She does not say that will be an extra $25.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2820469]You must have just missed those Passport Bros.

They were over in Bangkok and Pattaya for that Rolling Loud concert that took place around Songkran etc.

They were making it rain with Bhat in a club in a YouTube video but I couldn't see which club.][/QUOTE]No wonder these hoes around here in Pattaya talking crazy. The other night I tell a chick my usual $35 (1200 baht) for all night and she is going to tell me $86 (3000 baht). Talking about $35 is for short time. The next day she was back to her senses though and contacted me for that $35 long time I was telling her about. The club in the video is 808. You can compare a screenshot of my video with theirs.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2821029]Now we have seen security guards take the side of women when there are issues like this. If security says, "Just pay the women", I would say, "These women are trespassing, and your job as a security guard is to make certain people do not trespass. Do I need to let the management / owner know about this?" Now if the women do not leave, the security guard can notify the police, and the women not you are the ones breaking the law, and THEY are the security risk and can be arrested.[/QUOTE]You are coming from a sterile first world perspective. I certainly would not hold my breath waiting for things to turn out like that. What the management or owner would know is that YOU brought someone on the premises that is causing trouble. The security guy is not responsible for your guests going haywire, you are.

This time last year, I was picking up girls for two or three hours for around 200.000 to 300.000 COP without fuss. Overnight was only around 400.000 to 500.000 COP.

I have been here for two nights now, and now all the girls are quoting their fees in USD only. Some have the audacity to charge 100 USD for un rato. But I have noticed the standard one hour at 100 USD and then overnight is an additional 400.000 COP on top.

The market here in Cartagena has been completely ruined now compared to last year and previous few years. Street girls shouldn't be charging 900.000 COP plus for an overnight.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;2821221]This time last year, I was picking up girls for two or three hours for around 200.000 to 300.000 COP without fuss. Overnight was only around 400.000 to 500.000 COP.

I have been here for two nights now, and now all the girls are quoting their fees in USD only. Some have the audacity to charge 100 USD for un rato. But I have noticed the standard one hour at 100 USD and then overnight is an additional 400.000 COP on top.

The market here in Cartagena has been completely ruined now compared to last year and previous few years. Street girls shouldn't be charging 900.000 COP plus for an overnight.[/QUOTE]It end result of work of social media "creators". They post every day "walking videos" from Colombia on YT and TikTok like "hot sexy cheap girls" etc. It brings massive amount of sexually starved western men as customers who will agree to pay any price. This videos get about half million views and probably more on TikTok what you may expect is constant downtrend unless we hit massive economic crisis.

[QUOTE=RedIce7;2821234]It end result of work of social media "creators".[/QUOTE]Nope. It is the end result of don't tell me how much I should be paying.

[QUOTE=GerryGa;2821161]To hell with the begrudgers. Who are these self-appointed self-styled arbiters of taste and values who while supposedly happy playing in their own corner of the sandbox feel entitled to judge others who choose to freely and enjoyably travel in a different direction. Is it possibly jealousy because of their inadequate finances or perhaps a more perverted know all control freak personality? Either way who cares, if I feel like paying 10,000 for a night out I go for it with no regrets and you know it's always been my strong impression that those who spend money freely enjoy a more fulfilled life.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2820754]The same behavior that ruined Sosua is popping up more and more in Cartegena. Word is that all this was over a few dollars.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yER3KrQ3VI[/URL][/QUOTE]Why did the guy in the video say Mexico?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2821265]Why did the guy in the video say Mexico?[/QUOTE]I don't know why the guy said Mexico, he probably didn't know where they was at seeming that that one guy only knew "Adios."

I don't know of anyone who would take girls off the street in Mexico and bring them back to their apartment, its usually just short time hotels in Mexico.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2821029]..And these women are trying to trick the men into making it a safety issue, and these dummies are falling for it. The men are yelling and moving in a threatening manner. That is totally wrong. You stay calm, express your desire for them to leave and it is best to record it. If they do not leave, you can do what I did if there are cameras. But if not, you pack up your stuff and you go down to the lobby and call for security..[/QUOTE]Yes you're right, we can hear in the video that the girl keeps saying "tocame" which I believe is "touch me" as she's trying to bait him into changing it into a physical altercation and the dumbass is all in his feelings not paying attention that another girl is recording him. To get that emotional yelling and screaming over a few dollars is just stupid.

This scenario in the video is one of the reasons why mongers don't want to freely share information anymore as these individuals show up and act a fool.

This is how guest friendly AirBB rules change to no visitors allowed.

This is how girls now want to be paid before she takes her clothes off.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2821060]No wonder these hoes around here in Pattaya talking crazy. The other night I tell a chick my usual $35 (1200 baht) for all night and she is going to tell me $86 (3000 baht). Talking about $35 is for short time. The next day she was back to her senses though and contacted me for that $35 long time I was telling her about. The club in the video is 808. You can compare a screenshot of my video with theirs.[/QUOTE]Yeah, whoever they go they just fuck it up, and the moment someone try to tell them something about their behavior and how its effecting things its usually brings about a default response of them accusing people of "hating" or "pocket watching." Then only to turn around years later to complain about the same behavior they themselves kick started.

Everyone thought Thailand was too far or expensive for them to get to but bring along the Hip Hop and it brings the nonsense with. I was hoping one of them fuck around and find out over there because their laws don't play and Thai jail ain't no joke.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;2821221]This time last year, I was picking up girls for two or three hours for around 200.000 to 300.000 COP without fuss. Overnight was only around 400.000 to 500.000 COP.

I have been here for two nights now, and now all the girls are quoting their fees in USD only. Some have the audacity to charge 100 USD for un rato. But I have noticed the standard one hour at 100 USD and then overnight is an additional 400.000 COP on top.

The market here in Cartagena has been completely ruined now compared to last year and previous few years. Street girls shouldn't be charging 900.000 COP plus for an overnight.[/QUOTE]I've been posting about this for a while. Even girls I knew for years tried to up their prices on me and I had to send them on their way and get newer girls. I find that the older these chicas get and the longer they are in that working environment the more money they want and the less service they provide. But problem is that mongers are taking the girls out of Colombia, most of my chicas now got passports, I see them posting tons of selfies in Tulum, Cancun, Aruba, Ecuador, and as far as Italy, Paris, Croatia, and Morocco, then there are the Venezuelans who crossed the border, one of them I've known for 3 years I was just with in February in Cartagena, is now posting selfies in Times Square.

The entitlement has reached them through social media, now they are no better than the local girls in our area on listcrawler.

[QUOTE=ForroMambo;2820242]Sosua and Medellin have the same problem, buffff.

Then I will try Rio, I have good memories of Northeast Brazil, Natal, Fortaleza, in the past (2008-2013) but now that area is dead.

As you said Brazilian girls make different, they are allways my favorites.

Thanks a lot guys.[/QUOTE]This is funny because I remember about 18-20 years ago, some were saying Rio was ruined by the make it rain guys. While prices did go up in Rio when there was a significant influx of stupid Gringos, it didn't ruin the scene. The seismic event for Rio was the closing of Help in 2009. Even with that, it's still a fantastic destination for our hobby.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;2821221]This time last year, I was picking up girls for two or three hours for around 200.000 to 300.000 COP without fuss. Overnight was only around 400.000 to 500.000 COP.

I have been here for two nights now, and now all the girls are quoting their fees in USD only. Some have the audacity to charge 100 USD for un rato. But I have noticed the standard one hour at 100 USD and then overnight is an additional 400.000 COP on top.

The market here in Cartagena has been completely ruined now compared to last year and previous few years. Street girls shouldn't be charging 900.000 COP plus for an overnight.[/QUOTE]I'm here now and experiencing the same exact thing. Girls that I've fucked for 300 k are quoting $150. I offered a girl 350 k and she told me it wasn't enough to feed her dog. I know Cartagena is viral but Jesus Christ a lot has changed in a year. Personally I won't be back for a while if ever. Unless you feel like waiting for 3/4 am every night to find a chica that hasn't gotten picked or it's going to be a challenge to find a girl for under 400 k. I hope I'm wrong but I won't be back to find out.

Trying to figure out my plan. If a hotel is not guest friendly they will up-charge you for a guest to stay the night. What about during the day? Can I invite someone in for a couple hours during the day without any fuss?

If this isn't an option, what do you do in Cartagena? Are there love hotels like in Bogota? I don't see any info about brothels in CTG and I'm not really into going to the strip clubs in Armenia. I'll be one night in Bocagrande and two nights in the Walled City.

[QUOTE=Evac305;2821327]I'm here now and experiencing the same exact thing. Girls that I've fucked for 300 k are quoting $150. I offered a girl 350 k and she told me it wasn't enough to feed her dog. I know Cartagena is viral but Jesus Christ a lot has changed in a year. Personally I won't be back for a while if ever. Unless you feel like waiting for 3/4 am every night to find a chica that hasn't gotten picked or it's going to be a challenge to find a girl for under 400 k. I hope I'm wrong but I won't be back to find out.[/QUOTE]Did they send you this picture yet? JAJAJA.

When I was experiencing this in February I put the information out there so others can avoid my price gouging experience, prepare themselves, and adjust their budget accordingly.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2792999&viewfull=1#post2792999[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2821286]I don't know why the guy said Mexico, he probably didn't know where they was at seeming that that one guy only knew "Adios."[/QUOTE]Well that was a great video. It is videos like these that guys should be watching more than the ones of guys talking about picking up great chicks. Unfortunately we could not see what led up to the confrontation, but I think the narrator nailed it. One chick out of that group tried to finesse the guy about something. Whether it was the price or her trying to steal something or whatever. (I was recently in the same scenario in Thailand where I was trying to show a chick some pictures on my phone but she thought I took naked pictures of her. My exact words were the same as his. GO!) It was only the one chick that the guy was trying to get to leave. There did not seem to really be a problem with the other chicks. And she still wanted payment regardless. I have been in that same situation and the only word that is needed at that point is goodbye. No need for him to say anything other than adios.

But why is it that women will not just get the fuck out when told? Years ago I had let a chick that I messed with before come to my house to wash her clothes. She fucked around and ordered porno on my TV. She claimed he would give me the money for it but she was not forking it over. I told her to leave but she refused to go. I had to end up calling the police to come get her out, soaking wet clothes and all.

It was not the guy's fault. It is just one of the pitfalls of dealing with women in general, not just hookers. That narrator was funny as fuck and knew exactly what was going on. It is not milk and honey. It is street shit. Hope for the best but be prepared for the worst.

[QUOTE=MongerLonger;2821377]Trying to figure out my plan. If a hotel is not guest friendly they will up-charge you for a guest to stay the night. What about during the day? Can I invite someone in for a couple hours during the day without any fuss?

If this isn't an option, what do you do in Cartagena? Are there love hotels like in Bogota? I don't see any info about brothels in CTG and I'm not really into going to the strip clubs in Armenia. I'll be one night in Bocagrande and two nights in the Walled City.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.motelindiana.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2821440]It was not the guy's fault. It is just one of the pitfalls of dealing with women in general, not just hookers. That narrator was funny as fuck and knew exactly what was going on. It is not milk and honey. It is street shit. Hope for the best but be prepared for the worst.[/QUOTE]Do you know what the word assault means, Mr. E? It does not mean to hit.

Assault is generally defined as an intentional act that puts another person in reasonable apprehension of imminent harmful or offensive contact.

Battery is an unlawful application of force directly or indirectly upon another person or their personal belongings, causing bodily injury or offensive contact.

And that video shows the black American man assaulted the Colombian woman. Period.

And why don't they leave? Because they want money! The woman is saying to the guy touch me so she can get the police to charge him with something. Maybe later she drops the assault and battery charges if you pay her $5000.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2821176]What the management or owner would know is that YOU brought someone on the premises that is causing trouble. The security guy is not responsible for your guests going haywire, you are.[/QUOTE]Wrong. Security guard is there for the security of the building and its guests. So if you invite a guest into your place and they try to knife you, and the security guard sees it, is he trained to say, "Sorry, mofo, your guest, your problem!" Come on!

But that misses the point. Who gives a fuck about physical damage or theft of things in the apartment in comparison to a rape, battery, or assault charge? She could also claim that YOU are not letting her leave which is the criminal act of unlawful restraint.

When you are dealing with a crazy woman, the first thing you do is separate yourself from them. Period. When you called the police on the woman who would not leave your place, you are lucky she or the police did not turn on you.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2821561]......So if you invite a guest into your place and they try to knife you, and the security guard sees it, is he trained to say, "Sorry, mofo, your guest, your problem!" .....[/QUOTE]If you are a gringo and the knife bearer is a Colombian chica he would say just that.

[QUOTE=NapataJohn;2821496][URL]https://www.motelindiana.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]I've been out to the Egyptian head once and all I have to say to anyone one venturing out that far is put your safety first when you start seeing an increase of 2 men on a Motorcycle.

Personally, my cut off point for solo venturing is Caribe Plaza and that was after being accompanied there multiple times with a trusted Chica.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2821704]If you are a gringo and the knife bearer is a Colombian chica he would say just that.[/QUOTE]You do not know what any given security guard would do, and I never mentioned what he would do. I said what he was trained to do.

If you think people in Colombia frequently do not do what they are trained to do, then you should not travel there.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2821561]Wrong. Security guard is there for the security of the building and its guests. So if you invite a guest into your place and they try to knife you, and the security guard sees it, is he trained to say, "Sorry, mofo, your guest, your problem!" Come on!

But that misses the point..[/QUOTE]Definitely misses the point. You have the wrong idea of what the security guard is there for. He is not there acting as police or a bodyguard. He is there for firewatch and to log who comes and goes. He is not there to jump in front of the knife attack of a chick that you piszed off.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2821798]You do not know what any given security guard would do, and I never mentioned what he would do. I said what he was trained to do.

If you think people in Colombia frequently do not do what they are trained to do, then you should not travel there.[/QUOTE]My ex-girlfriend in Bogota is a security guard. She was definitely not trained to take down knife attacks. She was trained to walk around and write on a piece of paper. She is more concerned with ghosts than somebody coming through with a knife. Somebody comes with a knife then she can't do shit except write, " 11:03 he got a knife!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2821817]Definitely misses the point. You have the wrong idea of what the security guard is there for. He is not there acting as police or a bodyguard. He is there for firewatch and to log who comes and goes. He is not there to jump in front of the knife attack of a chick that you piszed off.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.indeed.com/hire/job-description/security-guard[/URL]

A Security Guard, or Security Officer, is responsible for protecting a person, organization or asset in the case of an incident. Their duties include monitoring a specific area, evicting trespassers and writing reports detailing any occurrences during their shift.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2821798]....If you think people in Colombia frequently do not do what they are trained to do, then you should not travel there.[/QUOTE]You are a selfish dude, you do not want me to travel to Colombia so you can have all the pussy to yourself.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2821313]I've been posting about this for a while. Even girls I knew for years tried to up their prices on me and I had to send them on their way and get newer girls. I find that the older these chicas get and the longer they are in that working environment the more money they want and the less service they provide. But problem is that mongers are taking the girls out of Colombia, most of my chicas now got passports, I see them posting tons of selfies in Tulum, Cancun, Aruba, Ecuador, and as far as Italy, Paris, Croatia, and Morocco, then there are the Venezuelans who crossed the border, one of them I've known for 3 years I was just with in February in Cartagena, is now posting selfies in Times Square.

The entitlement has reached them through social media, now they are no better than the local girls in our area on listcrawler.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I wasn't aware of previous posts about this.

It is possible to get girls at a more reasonable rate. I think that it helps being able to converse in Spanish. But generally speaking, the American tourists in Cartagena has now completely ruined the feel of the city now.

The average street girl now has much higher expectations, which we cannot blame them where there are idiots mindlessly throwing cash at them, thinking they're a big shot.

I had a few chats with locals and they all say the same thing; too many gringos and American tourists.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFlBTOKtUNE[/URL]

OK its a 4 hour live stream but the girl and the guy in the video tell their sides to what happen that night. To sum it up, The girl told him $350 for all night and he wanted to pay her $150 at the end of the night. I guess he didn't understand $150 was her hourly rate and even though they did their thing for an hour in the bedroom she was still with him for 6 hours for the overnight rate, not counting she was with him in the club as well for all that time.

If you want to jump straight to the girls side it starts at the 2 hour mark.

This is why with new girls after we are done in the bedroom I pay them and tell them "business is done, but I'm about to order some food, if you want to stay and eat, you can, if you want to play in the pool you can, but business is done. " Most girls just hand out and bullshit with me joking around cause they are bored and don't have anything else going on but if they about that money, they eat then out the door to the next gringo.

If you don't have a history with the girl where she won't charge you for idling, expect to be on her clock. These girls are about that money, especially those Delirium girls.

And what the girl said is what I've been trying to tell others, guy like him is why allot of us black guys are getting a bad reputation in Colombia.

Act fool on your block, not overseas.

I know there is a lot of shit happening with prices going up and disputes about women getting paid but I could use some advice from on the ground mongers. I have been to this beautiful city before and had a great time, but this time I wanted to try any working girl houses. Also maybe a list of good love motels in the walled city. I am staying at the Viajero Centro but don't want a guest every day. Did you know they have an apartment for rent. Looking forward to seeing it. Thank you gentlemen.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;2822697]Sorry, I wasn't aware of previous posts about this.

It is possible to get girls at a more reasonable rate. I think that it helps being able to converse in Spanish. But generally speaking, the American tourists in Cartagena has now completely ruined the feel of the city now.

The average street girl now has much higher expectations, which we cannot blame them where there are idiots mindlessly throwing cash at them, thinking they're a big shot.

I had a few chats with locals and they all say the same thing; too many gringos and American tourists.[/QUOTE]Ditto this which is why for the pst ears I don't P4P in Cartagena, just save it for elsewhere, too much of a hassle.

TTM.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2822724][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFlBTOKtUNE[/URL]

OK its a 4 hour live stream but the girl and the guy in the video tell their sides to what happen that night. To sum it up, The girl told him $350 for all night and he wanted to pay her $150 at the end of the night. I guess he didn't understand $150 was her hourly rate and even though they did their thing for an hour in the bedroom she was still with him for 6 hours for the overnight rate, not counting she was with him in the club as well for all that time.

If you want to jump straight to the girls side it starts at the 2 hour mark.

This is why with new girls after we are done in the bedroom I pay them and tell them "business is done, but I'm about to order some food, if you want to stay and eat, you can, if you want to play in the pool you can, but business is done. " Most girls just hand out and bullshit with me joking around cause they are bored and don't have anything else going on but if they about that money, they eat then out the door to the next gringo.

If you don't have a history with the girl where she won't charge you for idling, expect to be on her clock. These girls are about that money, especially those Delirium girls.

And what the girl said is what I've been trying to tell others, guy like him is why allot of us black guys are getting a bad reputation in Colombia.

Act fool on your block, not overseas.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more. This is not our home turf. Things can get ugly real quick. And who are you going to complain to? The Emabassy??

It's not just blacks. It's all the young to middle age people who think they're hot shots for a weekend with their usd.

And trust me the US Embassy is not going to have any sympathy for people who go to working girl in other countries.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2821561]

Wrong. Security guard is there for the security of the building and its guests. So if you invite a guest into your place and they try to knife you, and the security guard sees it, is he trained to say, "Sorry, mofo, your guest, your problem!" Come on!

[/QUOTE]Nobody with more than three digits in IQ is going to protect you from knife attack and for sure not low paid "security guard". You clearly have little idea how dangerous a knife is and I suggest you do some research. Even old man or a woman can finish you easily. Nobody is going to put their life on a line because you got into trouble, you are on your own. The only real defense from a knife is a run or a gun. If someone pulls a knife I suggest you run fast because you may loose your fingers or your life.

[URL]https://youtu.be/NK01YjCDRyQ[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/KvT5-WeagJI[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2822724]OK its a 4 hour live stream but the girl and the guy in the video tell their sides to what happen that night. To sum it up, The girl told him $350 for all night and he wanted to pay her $150 at the end of the night. I guess he didn't understand $150 was her hourly rate and even though they did their thing for an hour in the bedroom she was still with him for 6 hours for the overnight rate, not counting she was with him in the club as well for all that time.[/QUOTE]Without seeing the video I would say maybe they both were at fault. Whenever I get a chick's price I then ask how much time you will stay. Do not know if he did that or not. On her part, when the hour was up she should have got up and got her shit. I do not know if she did that. Don't know of anyone that is just going to hang around at work after their normal shift is over assuming they will be paid overtime.

Nypher it seems your way is the smart way to do things. But how a lot of guys say "they do not want to ruin the mood", so they fool themselves it is not about business. Big fucking mistake. $150/ hour to fuck chicks in a 3rd world country. What is this world coming to? Damn my ex in Bogota makes just a little more than that for working the whole damn month. But that is the price you pay to monger on a tourist scene.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2822914]Without seeing the video I would say maybe they both were at fault. Whenever I get a chick's price I then ask how much time you will stay. Do not know if he did that or not. On her part, when the hour was up she should have got up and got her shit. I do not know if she did that. Don't know of anyone that is just going to hang around at work after their normal shift is over assuming they will be paid overtime.

Nypher it seems your way is the smart way to do things. But how a lot of guys say "they do not want to ruin the mood", so they fool themselves it is not about business. Big fucking mistake. $150/ hour to fuck chicks in a 3rd world country. What is this world coming to? Damn my ex in Bogota makes just a little more than that for working the whole damn month. But that is the price you pay to monger on a tourist scene.[/QUOTE]You will be cracking up when you watch the live stream.

Apparently, they were in Delirium weekend millionaire style with about 10 to 15 girls. The girls gave them their hourly and overnight prices while they were in Delirium, but different girls were charging different prices. They left Delirium to a house with about 10 to 15 girls and partied even more. Then the guys in the video decided to take those girls back to separate apartment to continue partying, all that time the girls still have not been paid yet. They said all that argument happened at like 6 in the morning. He tried to give 1 girl $350 to split between her and her friend but her friend took the whole $350 cause that was her all night rate.

I couldn't stop laughing throughout the whole thing when the girl was telling her side of the story VS what the guy said. We all have to keep an open mind with these stories due to many times we never hear the girls side of the story.

That same behavior is on its way to Thailand. Enjoy the peace while you can, those girls over there are about to become just like the Sosua girls by 2025.

Cops will never side with a gringo. Just a matter of time before something really bad happens.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2822724][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFlBTOKtUNE[/URL]

OK its a 4 hour live stream but the girl and the guy in the video tell their sides to what happen that night. To sum it up, The girl told him $350 for all night and he wanted to pay her $150 at the end of the night. I guess he didn't understand $150 was her hourly rate and even though they did their thing for an hour in the bedroom she was still with him for 6 hours for the overnight rate, not counting she was with him in the club as well for all that time.

If you want to jump straight to the girls side it starts at the 2 hour mark.

This is why with new girls after we are done in the bedroom I pay them and tell them "business is done, but I'm about to order some food, if you want to stay and eat, you can, if you want to play in the pool you can, but business is done. " Most girls just hand out and bullshit with me joking around cause they are bored and don't have anything else going on but if they about that money, they eat then out the door to the next gringo.

If you don't have a history with the girl where she won't charge you for idling, expect to be on her clock. These girls are about that money, especially those Delirium girls.

And what the girl said is what I've been trying to tell others, guy like him is why allot of us black guys are getting a bad reputation in Colombia.

Act fool on your block, not overseas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2820469]You must have just missed those Passport Bros.

They were over in Bangkok and Pattaya for that Rolling Loud concert that took place around Songkran and was online complaining about everyone throwing water during the holiday and they can't go out because they not trying not to get their Jordans wet. Many were doing the whole Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Cambodia, Vietnam, Philippines, etc.

They were making it rain with Bhat in a club in a YouTube video but I couldn't see which club.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fAyPXzEWE[/URL][/QUOTE]Just when I thought I was in some great places without my USA brothers acting fools you show me yes here they are too making it rain bad they did not go to Angeles City a place I don't go. This just tells me soon it will be Sosua so back to Cuba I go because in about a year or two East Asian will be done. Thanks for the video Nypher.

[QUOTE=KcTalent;2824081]Just when I thought I was in some great places without my USA brothers acting fools you show me yes here they are too making it rain bad they did not go to Angeles City a place I don't go. This just tells me soon it will be Sosua so back to Cuba I go because in about a year or two East Asian will be done. Thanks for the video Nypher.[/QUOTE]Cuba is going to get them hood boys soon. The "most replayed" of these travel videos usually points to girls on the screen that are usually working girls.

These are recent, last month in Cuba:

Kurt Katz.

[URL]https://youtu.be/OZZXg3eOGxs?t=2166[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/GsIxQwxuWSQ?t=2294[/URL]

Czech in effect.

[URL]https://youtu.be/bOxgG6dL_mc?t=2823[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/CaBpks2OIw0?t=389[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/SuBlx3UpqpY?t=886[/URL]

[QUOTE=Kafka;2823180]Cops will never side with a gringo. Just a matter of time before something really bad happens.[/QUOTE]You are forgetting that you are in the third world. The cops side with money. If you are thinking they will not side with you then you better slide them money as soon as they arrive.

In Nicaragua my ex-girlfriend was driving us to the lake. She stopped to make a left turn into the entrance when a car slammed into the back of us. The girl was an underage, unlicensed driver with her father in the passenger seat. No brainer case where I am from in the USA. But in this case, my girl was responsible for the damages to her own car because the other party got to the judge first with the money.

Here in Thailand people have to pay to become police officers and they have to pay for each promotion. Why? Because over time they will make a fortune from bribes and kickbacks so it is an exclusive club that one must pay to be a part of. Money talks and bullshit walks.

I am forgetting? What do you think I am some fly in airline stewardess? Trust me I know more than you think.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2824131]You are forgetting that you are in the third world. The cops side with money. If you are thinking they will not side with you then you better slide them money as soon as they arrive.

In Nicaragua my ex-girlfriend was driving us to the lake. She stopped to make a left turn into the entrance when a car slammed into the back of us. The girl was an underage, unlicensed driver with her father in the passenger seat. No brainer case where I am from in the USA. But in this case, my girl was responsible for the damages to her own car because the other party got to the judge first with the money.

Here in Thailand people have to pay to become police officers and they have to pay for each promotion. Why? Because over time they will make a fortune from bribes and kickbacks so it is an exclusive club that one must pay to be a part of. Money talks and bullshit walks.[/QUOTE]

No Cuba will not get these types of tourists. You can't bring a big group to Cuba a travel around unless the government is involved. It's one thing to be discreet but people are watching all the time, and the girls have to be discreet. It's about as far from the Laguito scene as you can imagine.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2824129]Cuba is going to get them hood boys soon. The "most replayed" of these travel videos usually points to girls on the screen that are usually working girls.

These are recent, last month in Cuba:

Kurt Katz.

[URL]https://youtu.be/OZZXg3eOGxs?t=2166[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/GsIxQwxuWSQ?t=2294[/URL]

Czech in effect.

[URL]https://youtu.be/bOxgG6dL_mc?t=2823[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/CaBpks2OIw0?t=389[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/SuBlx3UpqpY?t=886[/URL][/QUOTE]

Report them to YouTube.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2824129]Cuba is going to get them hood boys soon. The "most replayed" of these travel videos usually points to girls on the screen that are usually working girls.

These are recent, last month in Cuba:

Kurt Katz.

[URL]https://youtu.be/OZZXg3eOGxs?t=2166[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/GsIxQwxuWSQ?t=2294[/URL]

Czech in effect.

[URL]https://youtu.be/bOxgG6dL_mc?t=2823[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/CaBpks2OIw0?t=389[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/SuBlx3UpqpY?t=886[/URL][/QUOTE]

It really is just the posses. It's disgusting.

It ruined the beach that's for sure. Not going.

Back to Cartagena, and eventually it's going to be an issue for all of us.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2822838]Couldn't agree more. This is not our home turf. Things can get ugly real quick. And who are you going to complain to? The Emabassy??

It's not just blacks. It's all the young to middle age people who think they're hot shots for a weekend with their usd.

And trust me the US Embassy is not going to have any sympathy for people who go to working girl in other countries.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kafka;2825092]It really is just the posses. It's disgusting.

It ruined the beach that's for sure. Not going.

Back to Cartagena, and eventually it's going to be an issue for all of us.[/QUOTE]Explain what the big issue of groups of men traveling? Black or white how does their existence have any influence on your experience. I think there is a lot of jealousy and very coded language being used to scapegoat a certain demographic of people.

Let's face it not all of us are 60+ yr old retirees on fixed incomes. There are a lot of guys who are 20's- late 30's who make a lot of money and want to simply enjoy their vacation with their friends. Yes those crowds get more of the attention from the chicas because they are younger, enjoy partying and more flexible on budget. That's the reality of the situation. The beach is just fine.

I rented a guest-friendly airbnb in El Laguito for about a week.

In the middle of the week, Wednesday I think, I wandered around the clocktower area. I didn't see a single working girl. Not sure if it was because it was the middle of the week or maybe I went out too early- I was looking around after dinner maybe 8-9 PM.

Next day I ended up picking up a streetwalker from right outside my place in El Laguito. She told me "ciento" for the price but when it came to pay she clarified "ciento *dolares*" and of course I only have pesos because that's what the cajeros give. Stupid me for not clarifying up front, learn from my mistake please. Ended up paying 400 k pesos damage- yes, overpaid, I know. Overall I saw working girls in El Laguito pretty regularly late at night.

Didn't monger after that as I hit it off with a girl from Tinder. It was really convenient to have a local with knowledge of Cartagena, knowing things like how much cheaper boats to the islands are if you leave from the hospital instead of El Centro. But that is not what this forum is about so I won't expand further.

I just booked my trip for July 6-9. Was supposed to goin April but flight was cancelled due to crazy rains in Ft. Lauderdale.

Haven't been there in over a year. Looking forward. My regular girl will be there from Medellin. Plan to spend most the time with her and she will help me choose some girls for extra fun. She loves to watch.

Seems like things have calmed down a bit there. I talked to a local I know and he said many less problems than before. Many police.

I did put my tinder to ctg last night. Noticing a ton more dark skin girls compared to previous trips.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2826368]I......Plan to spend most the time with her and she will help me choose some girls for extra fun. She loves to watch......[/QUOTE]Does she self stimulate while watching? I love that, it keeps me harder than viagra.

She does! She loves sitting back, sparking a joint, grabbing a vibrator and watch us and sometimes tell us what she wants to see.

Super hot.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;2826157]Explain what the big issue of groups of men traveling? Black or white how does their existence have any influence on your experience. I think there is a lot of jealousy and very coded language being used to scapegoat a certain demographic of people.

Let's face it not all of us are 60+ yr old retirees on fixed incomes. There are a lot of guys who are 20's- late 30's who make a lot of money and want to simply enjoy their vacation with their friends. Yes those crowds get more of the attention from the chicas because they are younger, enjoy partying and more flexible on budget. That's the reality of the situation. The beach is just fine.[/QUOTE]I'm a early 40's guy and I love the party mongering popping bottles and having fun. I spend what many consider is overpaying but as long as I have fun I don't care.

However these groups that come in are rude loud and obnoxious and I think they forget the main objective. It's mongering. These are women for sale.

I go to a club have my fun pick out a girl to spend the night with. Negotiate every little detail I want and off we go.

But nowadays these guys that are coming in just making things worse taking the discretion out of everything.

I'm all for guys having a good time. But when you go into places like dolce vita or delirium you're not there to pick up girls. They're all for sale. This drives up prices because girls don't want to deal with this BS. It's already happened in DR and now in Cart. I predict medellin is next cause I'm seeing more and more girls leaving the country to work.

The beach I don't go to.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2826368]I just booked my trip for July 6-9. Was supposed to goin April but flight was cancelled due to crazy rains in Ft. Lauderdale.

Haven't been there in over a year. Looking forward. My regular girl will be there from Medellin. Plan to spend most the time with her and she will help me choose some girls for extra fun. She loves to watch.

Seems like things have calmed down a bit there. I talked to a local I know and he said many less problems than before. Many police.

I did put my tinder to ctg last night. Noticing a ton more dark skin girls compared to previous trips.[/QUOTE]"Your regular girl" LMAO!

Planning my first trip to Cartagena in the next week or so. Living in SFL flights are cheap and quick. I speak enough Spanish to read the ads and local review boards, and I am comfortable I will have no problem finding girls, either pre-booking or going out at night.

I'm less certain about lodging. This whole concept of hotels that don't allow visitors is new to me. I prefer hotels to rentals, and in addition to female companionship I want to stay in a nice place. I'm looking at places in the $80-100/ nt range in Bocagrande. If I go out and bring a girl back to my hotel are they really going to kick her out at the front desk? There are a lot of ads for girls "con sitio privado" in Bocagrande; anyone done incalls in the area? I'm not above renting a cheap hourly place if I meet a girl in town, but I would also like the option of overnights in my place.

I've done a fair amount of research and read a lot on the forum here, but general or specific advice is always welcome.

[QUOTE=TripCyclone;2826219]I rented a guest-friendly airbnb in El Laguito for about a week.

In the middle of the week, Wednesday I think, I wandered around the clocktower area. I didn't see a single working girl. Not sure if it was because it was the middle of the week or maybe I went out too early- I was looking around after dinner maybe 8-9 PM.

Next day I ended up picking up a streetwalker from right outside my place in El Laguito. She told me "ciento" for the price but when it came to pay she clarified "ciento *dolares*" and of course I only have pesos because that's what the cajeros give. Stupid me for not clarifying up front, learn from my mistake please. Ended up paying 400 k pesos damage- yes, overpaid, I know. Overall I saw working girls in El Laguito pretty regularly late at night.

Didn't monger after that as I hit it off with a girl from Tinder. It was really convenient to have a local with knowledge of Cartagena, knowing things like how much cheaper boats to the islands are if you leave from the hospital instead of El Centro. But that is not what this forum is about so I won't expand further.[/QUOTE]Most girls don't arrive at the clocktower until 10 pm.

Girls that walk around El Laguito are beyond recycled. Many of them just finished up with a gringo or two and looking for another in the same area.

Its been covered multiple times that the girls are talking in Dollars and you should assume that they are talking in dollars unless YOU clarify pesos. The chica said "ciento" you should know off the bat that she meant $100 dollars. There should be no confusion that she was talking in pesos as no chica is charging 100 mil pesos for anything in the tourist areas of Cartagena.

Leaving from the hospital (Behind the Hilton) VS Centro is exactly the type of information this forum needs so other won't get taken advantage of.

Same with the price hike of the food of Hollywood beach.

Tinder is a great resource, enjoy your trip.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2826544]Planning my first trip to Cartagena in the next week or so. Living in SFL flights are cheap and quick. I speak enough Spanish to read the ads and local review boards, and I am comfortable I will have no problem finding girls, either pre-booking or going out at night.

I'm less certain about lodging. This whole concept of hotels that don't allow visitors is new to me. I prefer hotels to rentals, and in addition to female companionship I want to stay in a nice place. I'm looking at places in the $80-100/ nt range in Bocagrande. If I go out and bring a girl back to my hotel are they really going to kick her out at the front desk? There are a lot of ads for girls "con sitio privado" in Bocagrande; anyone done incalls in the area? I'm not above renting a cheap hourly place if I meet a girl in town, but I would also like the option of overnights in my place.

I've done a fair amount of research and read a lot on the forum here, but general or specific advice is always welcome.[/QUOTE]The general or specific advice for the places $80 -$100 a night is to get a guest friendly AirBB in Centro or Getsemeni then you will have zero problems bringing in girls as opposed to going to Bocagrande and taking the risk. That $80 -$100 your spending per night will have an additional fee for whatever girl you bring in so in the end whatever you believe you are saving will just be spent elsewhere in fees or short time hotels.

Buena Suete.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2826520]However these groups that come in are rude loud and obnoxious and I think they forget the main objective. It's mongering. [/QUOTE]You assume everyone's main objective is the same!

[QUOTE=TheMan31;2826522]"Your regular girl" LMAO![/QUOTE]That tripped me up years ago. I would be using the term regular girl to mean a chick that is not a hooker. But I noticed other people using regular girl to mean a hooker that they see often or on a regular basis. That led me to use the term normal instead of regular. It was the same thing with the term non-pro. I always used it to mean non-prostitute. But there are other guys that use the term to mean the chick does not prostitute often. No idea what their idea of often is or how they would know how often she fucks for money. Go figure. I have never understood these tiers of prostitutes. If she is fucking for money and I am looking for a chick to fuck for money, then that is all the evidence I need. Makes no difference to me whether she is doing it once a month or 10 times a day.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2826572]The general or specific advice for the places $80 -$100 a night is to get a guest friendly AirBB in Centro or Getsemeni then you will have zero problems bringing in girls as opposed to going to Bocagrande and taking the risk. That $80 -$100 your spending per night will have an additional fee for whatever girl you bring in so in the end whatever you believe you are saving will just be spent elsewhere in fees or short time hotels.

Buena Suete.[/QUOTE]I would be OK giving the doorman a $20 to bring a girl in, or paying a house fee for a second guest. It's not (entirely) about the money. I would much rather stay in a luxury hotel with a nice pool on the beach than a BNB in the middle of town with whatever amenities the owner provides. What I don't want is to have a girl kicked out based on a no-visitor policy, which would be embarrassing and inconvenient for both of us, and totally fuck up a good night.

Any experience with girls with incalls? I see a lot of ads for girls in Bocagrande.

Yeah. My regular that I have seen for over 6 years every trip I go. Not sure what's so funny.

I agree with the groups being bad and annoying. This is and isn't a discrete hobby. The majority that do this do travel solo or in a small group of 2-3 guys max. Going with a group of several guys and making all this hoopla does well for no one.

It's discrete in the sense I'm sure none of us here want a YouTube video of us negotiating with chicks or anything. But it's not discrete in the sense you go to well.

Known establishments for this.

I remember the days walking into a place after a work convention in a foreign city, seeing someone you know and just giving a nod. Today that discretion is gone. Instead you have some a hole next to you taking pics and videos. "OMG guys look at all this, look how easy it is. Blah blah".

[QUOTE=Nypher;2822724][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFlBTOKtUNE[/URL]

OK its a 4 hour live stream but the girl and the guy in the video tell their sides to what happen that night. To sum it up, The girl told him $350 for all night and he wanted to pay her $150 at the end of the night. I guess he didn't understand $150 was her hourly rate and even though they did their thing for an hour in the bedroom she was still with him for 6 hours for the overnight rate, not counting she was with him in the club as well for all that time.

If you want to jump straight to the girls side it starts at the 2 hour mark.

This is why with new girls after we are done in the bedroom I pay them and tell them "business is done, but I'm about to order some food, if you want to stay and eat, you can, if you want to play in the pool you can, but business is done. " Most girls just hand out and bullshit with me joking around cause they are bored and don't have anything else going on but if they about that money, they eat then out the door to the next gringo.

If you don't have a history with the girl where she won't charge you for idling, expect to be on her clock. These girls are about that money, especially those Delirium girls.

And what the girl said is what I've been trying to tell others, guy like him is why allot of us black guys are getting a bad reputation in Colombia.

Act fool on your block, not overseas.[/QUOTE]This is nothing new, simps will be simps and the girls are just taking advantage. Desperate dudes coming from home with no baddie experience and only dated hot girls on their screens using their hands, and now once live in Col or DR and can pay for it mofos don't know how to act LMAO. I'm sick of it, we're all sick of it. And the bad rep of blacks or weekend warriors will continue to deteriorate in Col unfortunately. Why is this complicated? DO NOT SPEND THE NIGHT WITH A PROSTITUTE, PERIOD. DO YOUR BUSINESS, THEN KICK THE HAWKER OUT.

If you need a girlfriend, you want affection, love, someone to spend the night with, someone to go out to dinner with, then get your heads out of your asses, man the f up, brush your teeth and wear some deodorant to go on a goddamn date for f' sake with a real non-pro woman. You won't accomplish it in a week. Treat women with respect and don't assume they all fuck for money or all only care about your dollar, don't expect pussy on the first night, learn their culture, etc. Bottom line, stop trying to domesticate prostitutes, and then you wonder why you got taken advantage of. It's her job to seduce you and empty your pocket, rob you if she can. But a real woman who's curious about dating a foreigner, maybe looking to escape poverty, or learn English, you'd be surprised on what real affection feels like from a non-working girl latin american woman. I can understand many don't have the time for it, but draw a line and stop the delusions with the p4 p girls.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2826740]I would be OK giving the doorman a $20 to bring a girl in, [/QUOTE]And if something goes haywire and the doorman's ass is on the line, what will you be willing to give?

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2826775]

... If you need a girlfriend, you want affection, love, someone to spend the night with, someone to go out to dinner with, then get your heads out of your asses, man the f up, brush your teeth and wear some deodorant to go on a goddamn date for f' sake with a real non-pro woman. You won't accomplish it in a week. Treat women with respect and don't assume they all fuck for money or all only care about your dollar, don't expect pussy on the first night, learn their culture, etc. Bottom line, stop trying to domesticate prostitutes, and then you wonder why you got taken advantage of......[/QUOTE]Truth right here! The number of young guys that I run into talking about finding a girlfriend or wife in Colombia and then getting upset when a prepago isn't interested in that is astounding. Similarly seeing guys get upset when the non-pros don't give a shit that they have money, are American, or have tables at the clubs. Guys, they are two totally different groups of women. Stop it with the 'captain save a ho' thinking.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2826775]If you need a girlfriend, you want affection, love, someone to spend the night with, someone to go out to dinner with, then get your heads out of your asses, man the f up, brush your teeth and wear some deodorant to go on a goddamn date for f' sake with a real non-pro woman. I can understand many don't have the time for it, but draw a line and stop the delusions with the p4 p girls.[/QUOTE]Many ISGers think it is a far-fetched fairy tale for a guy to say he goes out on normal dates. I guess these are the ones that have been in the house beating their meat their entire lives.

"This is nothing new, simps will be simps and the girls are just taking advantage. Desperate dudes coming from home with no baddie experience and only dated hot girls on their screens using their hands, and now once live in Col or DR and can pay for it mofos don't know how to act LMAO. I'm sick of it, we're all sick of it. And the bad rep of blacks or weekend warriors will continue to deteriorate in Col unfortunately. Why is this complicated? Do not spend the night with a prostitute, period. Do your business, then kick the hawker out."

I don't fully agree with this. I have had many a great friendship, some sort of relation with sex workers.

Many have been very kind to me, and were very honest with me. However, you are also right in the fact that the end of the day. They still looking for $$$ and will do what is best for them.

I'll let them spend the night and even go eat and do other things with them if we vibe well, but it's not love. And I tell them up front I will treat them based on how they act. Maybe I have been lucky as I never really had a major issue with any of them. Many more great times than anything bad. But, I certainly ain't trying to turn them into house wives.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2826775]This is nothing new, simps will be simps and the girls are just taking advantage. Desperate dudes coming from home with no baddie experience and only dated hot girls on their screens using their hands, and now once live in Col or DR and can pay for it mofos don't know how to act LMAO. I'm sick of it, we're all sick of it. And the bad rep of blacks or weekend warriors will continue to deteriorate in Col unfortunately. Why is this complicated? DO NOT SPEND THE NIGHT WITH A PROSTITUTE, PERIOD. DO YOUR BUSINESS, THEN KICK THE HAWKER OUT.

If you need a girlfriend, you want affection, love, someone to spend the night with, someone to go out to dinner with, then get your heads out of your asses, man the f up, brush your teeth and wear some deodorant to go on a goddamn date for f' sake with a real non-pro woman..[/QUOTE]I completely agree here. But here's what a lot of guys don't understand especially the young 30-40 age range.

You come to a more economically challenged country thinking you're a big deal because you have more $$ than them.

But here's the thing. If you weren't consistently dating baddies in your home then your luck won't change when you come to Colombia.

The only difference is you can pay to bang a baddie here in Colombia for much cheaper.

I can't count the amount of times diff groups of guys come back catching feelings for hookers and thinking they're special. It's hilarious.

And I'm not prone to it. My first few trips I fell for their charm and learned how things are.

If one wants a real relationship it's not impossible. But here's the first flag. If you still find yourself using google translate with your "novia" then chances are it's not a real relationship.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2826796]And if something goes haywire and the doorman's ass is on the line, what will you be willing to give?[/QUOTE]The same thing I would give if things go haywire no matter where I am. Whatever it takes. Having said that, I would much rather be in a tourist hotel where I am a paying guest, the hotel doesn't want a disturbance, and there is on site security than in an Airbnb where your only option is to call the cops. Honestly, the best way to avoid that situation is to do your homework when picking girls and pay and leave before there is any drama. You can get ripped off anywhere, and overall if I am in a foreign country as a tourist the safest place to be is in my own hotel room.

I'm not a young dumb kid, I don't do stupid shit, I treat girls well, and I don't haggle (I say no). Of course anything can happen, but I am OK with my risks.

[QUOTE=OldSchool318;2826902]"This is nothing new, simps will be simps and the girls are just taking advantage. Desperate dudes coming from home with no baddie experience and only dated hot girls on their screens using their hands, and now once live in Col or DR and can pay for it mofos don't know how to act LMAO. I'm sick of it, we're all sick of it. And the bad rep of blacks or weekend warriors will continue to deteriorate in Col unfortunately. Why is this complicated? Do not spend the night with a prostitute, period. Do your business, then kick the hawker out."

I don't fully agree with this. I have had many a great friendship, some sort of relation with sex workers.

Many have been very kind to me, and were very honest with me. However, you are also right in the fact that the end of the day. They still looking for $$$ and will do what is best for them.
I'll let them spend the night and even go eat and do other things with them if we vibe well, but it's not love. And I tell them up front I will treat them based on how they act. Maybe I have been lucky as I never really had a major issue with any of them. Many more great times than anything bad. But, I certainly ain't trying to turn them into house wives.[/QUOTE]I am with you. I have had several good relationships, and still have a few. I am also older and I don't think I am going to be dating any hot 20-somethings any time soon, no matter how much I clean up. When I go down there it is very likely I will want a companion for meals, activities, and as a companion to show me the city. If things go well I will probably do one or more overnights. The idea that I would fuck them and kick them out because that's what somebody else thinks I should do is, well, kind of silly.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2826913]If one wants a real relationship it's not impossible. But here's the first flag. If you still find yourself using google translate with your "novia" then chances are it's not a real relationship.[/QUOTE]I beg to differ. I did not always speak Spanish yet I had real relationships; and that was before google translate existed. The first flag is if you are giving her money; THEN it is not a real relationship. After that add does she have a job or daily routine other than going out to bars and discos.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;2826157]I think there is a lot of jealousy and very coded language being used to scapegoat a certain demographic of people.[/QUOTE]Not a code. Very explicit language that is being used to single out a group of people. Huge group of individuals visiting the area. And look what is pointed out:

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2822838][b]Its not just blacks.[/b] It's all the young to middle age people who think they're hot shots for a weekend with their usd.[/QUOTE]Not just the blacks eh? But that is the only group specifically mentioned. I know what time it is.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2826953]Not a code. Very explicit language that is being used to single out a group of people. Huge group of individuals visiting the area. And look what is pointed out:

Not just the blacks eh? But that is the only group specifically mentioned. I know what time it is.[/QUOTE]Well I was replying to a post so maybe you coulda read that first?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2826941]I beg to differ. I did not always speak Spanish yet I had real relationships; and that was before google translate existed. The first flag is if you are giving her money; THEN it is not a real relationship. After that add does she have a job or daily routine other than going out to bars and discos.[/QUOTE]You do know that Latin culture the man is expected to take the financial responsibility right??

So why would it be different if you go to their country and want a relationship with their women??

My first GF was a Colombian in NY. She couldn't speak much English. And it simply doesn't work after a while. Yea the first few months to a year is great. But once it's time to settle down it don't work if you can't speak one language. And this was also before google translate.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2826953]Not a code. Very explicit language that is being used to single out a group of people. Huge group of individuals visiting the area. And look what is pointed out:

Not just the blacks eh? But that is the only group specifically mentioned. I know what time it is.[/QUOTE]If someone don't control their own image, someone else will control it for them and unfortunately mostly it's usually the worst examples of us that foreigners set as the default baseline for all of us.

In the video the girl said out who the Chicas mostly have a problem with. But to be fair before this whole Passport Bros nonsense I could hop on YouTube and the drama was white guys in Thailand fighting with Ladyboys on walking street and that shit was funny. Now this whole passport bro wave comes and look at the stuff coming out of Sosua, Medellin, Cartegena, and now Thailand.

The speed of how Cartagena got nicknamed Sosua 2. 0 pretty much self explanatory when watching the drama coming out of there on social media.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2826740]I would be OK giving the doorman a $20 to bring a girl in, or paying a house fee for a second guest. It's not (entirely) about the money. I would much rather stay in a luxury hotel with a nice pool on the beach than a BNB in the middle of town with whatever amenities the owner provides. What I don't want is to have a girl kicked out based on a no-visitor policy, which would be embarrassing and inconvenient for both of us, and totally fuck up a good night.

Any experience with girls with incalls? I see a lot of ads for girls in Bocagrande.[/QUOTE]I know AirBBs condos with all the the luxury stuff, private jacuzzi, great balcony views and security in El Laguito but price starts at $150 a night and needs to be booked months in advance especially if it's an American holiday weekend.

If it's not about the money then rent an additional place in Centro where you can have your after hours fun and still keep your luxury hotel room.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2826775]This is nothing new, simps will be simps and the girls are just taking advantage. Desperate dudes coming from home with no baddie experience and only dated hot girls on their screens using their hands, and now once live in Col or DR and can pay for it mofos don't know how to act LMAO. I'm sick of it, we're all sick of it. And the bad rep of blacks or weekend warriors will continue to deteriorate in Col unfortunately. Why is this complicated? DO NOT SPEND THE NIGHT WITH A PROSTITUTE, PERIOD. DO YOUR BUSINESS, THEN KICK THE HAWKER OUT.

If you need a girlfriend, you want affection, love, someone to spend the night with, someone to go out to dinner with, then get your heads out of your asses, man the f up, brush your teeth and wear some deodorant to go on a goddamn date for f' sake with a real non-pro woman. You won't accomplish it in a week. Treat women with respect and don't assume they all fuck for money or all only care about your dollar, don't expect pussy on the first night, learn their culture, etc. Bottom line, stop trying to domesticate prostitutes, and then you wonder why you got taken advantage of. It's her job to seduce you and empty your pocket, rob you if she can. But a real woman who's curious about dating a foreigner, maybe looking to escape poverty, or learn English, you'd be surprised on what real affection feels like from a non-working girl latin american woman. I can understand many don't have the time for it, but draw a line and stop the delusions with the p4 p girls.[/QUOTE]Not all these girls are the same Jajaj, but then again not all mongers are the same. I used to travel with a guy who every night he wants a different girl and never wanted to repeat with a girl. But, then every night he had some drama with the girl because he's going through the same repetitive steps of getting to know her and if she's good in the bed. My main girl and I found it entertaining as we would sit and watch him pick and make guesses on how long he would stay with her before a problem occurs causing her to leave.

But most mongers know if the girl looks like someone you would never introduce to friends, family or coworkers without feeling embarrassed then put her ass out after business is done. Then there are the discreet girls who dresses modestly and no one would ever think she's selling the box except when we see the type of gringo she's with and it's an automatic thought of "yeah, he's paying bank for that box". Problem is these guys try to grab the hourly street walkers and turn her into long term girls when they could have went and got the long term girl from the start.

I am staying in Central. Could you tell me if there are some nice Love motels inside the wall. Also I read about a new ED cream that is supposed to work in about 10 minutes. Have you heard of it and is it available there? And lastly, which is the best sex toy shop, inside the wall if possible.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2826970]You do know that Latin culture the man is expected to take the financial responsibility right?? So why would it be different if you go to their country and want a relationship with their women??.[/QUOTE]Yeah you fall for that bullshit if you want to. I have had countless normal girlfriends all over Latin America in the past over 20 years and never had to assume any financial responsibility. If you are talking about paying when we go on trips or out to eat then sure. If you are talking about paying somebody's rent or bills then hell no. That sounds like the sin sot dowry BS they get dumb foreigners to believe in Thailand. You better learn to tell those broads to kick rocks when they try to pull that crap on you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2826941]I beg to differ. I did not always speak Spanish yet I had real relationships; and that was before google translate existed. [u]The first flag is if you are giving her money; THEN it is not a real relationship.[/u] After that add does she have a job or daily routine other than going out to bars and discos.[/QUOTE]Real relationships have no money involved?

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2826966]Well I was replying to a post so maybe you coulda read that first?[/QUOTE]I did read your post and the one you replying to. I do not think you are an "ist" brother so chill. But I have a problem with others identifying a particular group at the visitors causing the "problems" in a location. Example:

[QUOTE=Nypher;2820103]None of those are any better. You can thank those Passport Boys for that. Inflation, Medellin is out of control with Scope, Sosua girls are talking in dollars and overweight walking like pigeons, and Rio is still a little iffy. I would say just avoid any area that the majority of those YouTubers are going in mass.[/QUOTE]I will state again, it is not a code. It is explicit. And like I said before I know what time it is. And I know what type of people make statements like the above. [B]Nypher[/B] What is a passport boy? And how did you identify and know they are the cause of the problems you are making reference to?

[QUOTE=Nypher;2827102]If someone don't control their own image, someone else will control it for them and unfortunately mostly it's usually the worst examples of us that foreigners set as the default baseline for all of us.

In the video the girl said out who the Chicas mostly have a problem with. But to be fair before this whole Passport Bros nonsense I could hop on YouTube and the drama was white guys in Thailand fighting with Ladyboys on walking street and that shit was funny. Now this whole passport bro wave comes and look at the stuff coming out of Sosua, Medellin, Cartegena, and now Thailand.

The speed of how Cartagena got nicknamed Sosua 2. 0 pretty much self explanatory when watching the drama coming out of there on social media.[/QUOTE]Once again I ask you who are the Passport Bros or Passport Boys? How do you identify them? And why does their presence and actions affect you at all?

I can speak personally on Sosua experiences. I don't have to watch videos about it. My visits there are not affected by anyone. I have a good time in the places that work for me with the girls that work for me. I see lots of things there that are really sad: like ugly old white guys that are taking a young girl back to the hotel and I really fell sorry for the girl that she has to put herself through that to get money. But I did not create the system. It is what is is. But that "old white guy" is not affecting me at all.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2827110]I am staying in Central. Could you tell me if there are some nice Love motels inside the wall. Also I read about a new ED cream that is supposed to work in about 10 minutes. Have you heard of it and is it available there? And lastly, which is the best sex toy shop, inside the wall if possible.[/QUOTE]Most girls you meet on the street or in the clubs will know where the love motels are.

The mostly known one is.

HOTEL EL VIAJERO CENTRO.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/Mrd1ekRD6E9ycgK6A?g_st=ic[/URL]

The only sex shop I can recall is when I left Monkey Bar and started walking towards the clocktower. It's on that same street as Monkey Bar before reaching Alquimico but I can't remember the name.

There's another in Bocagrande across from the Intercontinental Shopping mall.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2827147]Most girls you meet on the street or in the clubs will know where the love motels are.

The mostly known one is.

HOTEL EL VIAJERO CENTRO.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/Mrd1ekRD6E9ycgK6A?g_st=ic[/URL]

The only sex shop I can recall is when I left Monkey Bar and started walking towards the clocktower. It's on that same street as Monkey Bar before reaching Alquimico but I can't remember the name.

There's another in Bocagrande across from the Intercontinental Shopping mall.[/QUOTE]Thank you. I do appreciate it.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2827123]I did read your post and the one you replying to. I do not think you are an "ist" brother so chill. But I have a problem with others identifying a particular group at the visitors causing the "problems" in a location. Example:

I will state again, it is not a code. It is explicit. And like I said before I know what time it is. And I know what type of people make statements like the above. [B]Nypher[/B] What is a passport boy? And how did you identify and know they are the cause of the problems you are making reference to?

Once again I ask you who are the Passport Bros or Passport Boys? How do you identify them? And why does their presence and actions affect you at all?

I can speak personally on Sosua experiences. I don't have to watch videos about it. My visits there are not affected by anyone. I have a good time in the places that work for me with the girls that work for me. I see lots of things there that are really sad: like ugly old white guys that are taking a young girl back to the hotel and I really fell sorry for the girl that she has to put herself through that to get money. But I did not create the system. It is what is is. But that "old white guy" is not affecting me at all.[/QUOTE]If you ask 10 different people to give a definition what a Passport Bro is chances are you will get 10 different explanations.

To me, I thought it's the new wave of of men from the hip hop community that started travel to developing countries during the pandemic that fall under that label.

The challenge comes along with many people like to follow what they think is popular and trendy at the time. Different people who travel overseas separate themselves into subcategories, there are the Expats, Digital Nomads, Backpackers, etc but lately when overseas drama hits social media of guys acting a fool, take a look at the hashtags attached to the video.

As for how their presence and actions effect me?

When chicas start talking in dollars rather than their local currency.

When chicas want to be paid up front because the previous guy who looks like me fucked her over.

When vendors think they can upcharge me on something because the previous gringos who look like me was being reckless with money.

When clubs tell me I can't come in unless I buy a bottle or table service.

When the younger girls and touts approaching me with "what's up my and* instead of the usual "hola mi amor", or "my friend, my friend".

When certain individuals decide to walk off from the bill at the beach and the guy comes and give me their bill expecting me to pay just because I had the cabana next to them and they asked me a few questions about the nightlife and I told them where to go.

That's just a fraction of it post pandemic. I've learned and adjusted where to spend the majority of my time with limited interactions so I don't get mixed into the BS.

But since you're experienced in Sosua do you remember when Classico's started Bottle service and how all that began?

How about Playa Sosua at the spot with the green Presidente umbrellas? Ever ate there and looked at your bill and wonder why they added things to it that you never ordered?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2827116]Real relationships have no money involved?[/QUOTE]Stop the money and see what kind of "real relationship" you are still in. It is not rocket science.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2827115]Yeah you fall for that bullshit if you want to. I have had countless normal girlfriends all over Latin America in the past over 20 years and never had to assume any financial responsibility. If you are talking about paying when we go on trips or out to eat then sure. If you are talking about paying somebody's rent or bills then hell no. That sounds like the sin sot dowry BS they get dumb foreigners to believe in Thailand. You better learn to tell those broads to kick rocks when they try to pull that crap on you.[/QUOTE]Bills and their own expenses no.

If we go to restaurants I will always pay. Why? Because I like expensive wine and fine dining. I wanted to go to these types of restaurants.

My GF is happy with food but I wanted aged steak.

But in the end if you want a relationship with any woman that is considered real men will be financially responsible.

There's a difference between being taken advantage of and simply being a man.

I have no problems with the traditional standards of providing if my girl has no problem of being traditional as well. That's where the issue is.

That's exactly it. That guy taking a girl back to his room isn't effecting anyone else. Instead it's the groups making a show because they are in a country where their dollar travels further.

I think the big point being missed is between those groups going to places they can stretch their dollars. To us going to places were a certain hobby is legal or allowed. Half those guys don't end up taking a girl back at the end of the night, or yeah they think they are falling in love 🤣. So they cause inflated prices, and also pissed off girls.

It's a difference going somewhere and understanding the difference in the dollar to just exploiting it.

For me Cartagena is close and easy. Yes the stay and food is cheap, but I'm not staying in a penthouse and ordering lobster. The lower price just means I can stay longer or go more often.

If Canada had FKK clubs legal, shit I'the probably go there once a year because it's so close. For an example.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827249]

If Canada had FKK clubs legal, shit I'the probably go there once a year because it's so close. For an example.[/QUOTE]After the uptick of money throwers in Cartegena doing dumb things of making it rain in clubs and the clocktower area I decided to try a new area where they were not putting out videos of that nonsense and ventured over to Germany last year and tried the FKK scene. I was surprised it was only $500 round trip on a 787 Dreamliner and the plane was half empty on the redeye.

I went in blind and it was not to my liking. A good learning experience, the hard way and now I know from that mistake I was supposed to go to Frankfurt instead of Berlin so my next visit will be different.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=2741920&viewfull=1#post2741920[/URL]

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827249]Instead it's the groups making a show because they are in a country where their dollar travels further.[/QUOTE]What groups? What show?

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827249]I think the big point being missed is between those groups going to places they can stretch their dollars. To us going to places were a certain hobby is legal or allowed. Half those guys don't end up taking a girl back at the end of the night, or yeah they think they are falling in love 🤣. [i]So they cause inflated prices, and also pissed off girls.[/i][/QUOTE]This dog don't hunt. If half the guys (of the secret, nameless group) are not taking girls, how does that cause inflated prices? I can understand about the girls being pissed off. But they are not assured that they are going to get a client when they go out for the night. The girls have just as much choice as the guys do. And doesn't the business establishment make out well because the individuals in the (secret, nameless groups) are spending money like they are one week millionaires?

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827249]It's a difference going somewhere and understanding the difference in the dollar to just exploiting it.[/QUOTE]Anyone who goes anyplace where their money buys them more value is not being exploitative. They are being smart by using the currency arbitrage to either get more for their budget they have allocated or they are paying less for their normal lifestyle. For me when I travel to Colombia is it not for girls. It is because the quality of the goods and services are better and the prices are lower compared to where I live. I can treat my girl to the lifestyle (to which I have become accustomed) at a price that does not break my personal budget.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827249]For me Cartagena is close and easy. Yes the stay and food is cheap, but I'm not staying in a penthouse and ordering lobster. The lower price just means I can stay longer or go more often.

If Canada had FKK clubs legal, shit I'the probably go there once a year because it's so close. For an example.[/QUOTE]I make the same choices. I am dreading my two days of travel to Thailand. But I have never been there so I feel I should at least go once.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2827103]I know AirBBs condos with all the the luxury stuff, private jacuzzi, great balcony views and security in El Laguito but price starts at $150 a night and needs to be booked months in advance especially if it's an American holiday weekend.

If it's not about the money then rent an additional place in Centro where you can have your after hours fun and still keep your luxury hotel room.[/QUOTE]Well, just booked the flight and hotel (Bocagrande) for next week, so months in advance wasn't an option LOL. Based on the last few pages I am going Monday to Friday, so I won't deal with the weekend madness. I'm traveling from SFL, the airfare is cheap, I have been practicing my Spanish, so I hope this will be the first of many visits. At some point when I have the lay of the land I will stay through a weekend and see how the scene changes on the weekend.

I have found and read a couple of the local review boards and am making a contact list. Will probably set up one visit in advance and see how it goes. I am amenable to sticking with one girl to show me around if the price and the girl are right but I will keep at least one night to hunt the clock tower.

I will just speak for myself. All my real relationships have involved money. Because money is life. And by a real relationship I mean emotional connection. That I care about the person beyond just a sexual interest. Now if you are just fucking you can certainly get away with just giving her your dick and walking away. If that is all I want to do, unless it is a hook up I just prefer to pay and keep things clear.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2827184]Stop the money and see what kind of "real relationship" you are still in. It is not rocket science.[/QUOTE]It is social science and economics. Have you ever been married? If so, did THAT relationship involve money?

I have been married. Twice. And they were real relationships. And they involved money. And can tell you one thing, in my second marriage the sex stopped. But the money kept flowing (until the divorce). I have had plenty of real relationships and they all involve money. Why stop the money if the relationship is good? If I enjoy spending time with a girl I am going to take her out and spend money on her. In a real relationships.

You are big on the definition of what prostitution is. But I think you don't really understand the meaning. Let me clarify it for you:

[B]prostitution[/B], the practice of engaging in relatively indiscriminate sexual activity, in general with someone who is not a spouse or a friend, in exchange for immediate payment in money [U]or other valuables[/U].

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2827115]If you are talking about paying when we go on trips or out to eat then sure.[/QUOTE]So, by your definition, all of your real girlfriends engaged in prostitution with you by your own admission. You don't get to choose what constitutes "or other valuables" and say my payment for this does not count. That dog don't hunt with me. In my humble opinion (and I have been reading your response to my posts for more than a few years), you expect everyone to use your definitions. After all this time you ought to know that I reject your definitions and agree with you about 1 out of 1000 times and that ratio is probably high.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2827339]It is social science and economics. Have you ever been married? If so, did THAT relationship involve money?[/QUOTE]In my marriage we shared responsibilities. My wife paid the mortgage and I paid the other bills. My wife did the cooking and cleaning and I did the other things like yard work and maintenance to the house.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2827339]I have been married. Twice. And they were real relationships. And they involved money.[/QUOTE]Well allow me to rephrase real relationship to relationship that is not based on money. If that is what you prefer a relationship to be based on then that is a personal preference. But I prefer my relationships not to be based on whether I have or give the other person money or not. I prefer my partner to like me for me, not because the check is coming.

We all know what groups, your just trying to make an issue in the community.

Yes it's a huge difference to people going somewhere doing things they couldn't normally afford. To people going there to do things that are legal and accepted in that society.

Massive difference in fact.

Those people don't know how to act. Like they just hit the lottery. Yet then go back home to their tiny existence.

And how does it raise prices? Because girls see these idiots throwing money around and expect that for them. How do you not understand that?

Oh this moron is throwing away $1 bills. He and his friends can afford to give me a lot more if they act like that.

So yes. This immaturity, ignorance, or just plain stupidity is ruining this scene almost everywhere.

No need for arguing over a matter that is so simple and which the 'arguers' are actually on the same page. P4P is a relationship that is based entirely on money. A 'real' relationship is not based entirely on money, both parties have made a commitment to each other. There are usually several factors that could lead to such a commitment being made and the financial resources of one or other of the parties may be one such factor. Other factors could be looks, background, interests, etc.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2827339]So, by your definition, all of your real girlfriends engaged in prostitution with you by your own admission. You don't get to choose what constitutes "or other valuables" and say my payment for this does not count. That dog don't hunt with me. In my humble opinion (and I have been reading your response to my posts for more than a few years), you expect everyone to use your definitions. After all this time you ought to know that I reject your definitions and agree with you about 1 out of 1000 times and that ratio is probably high.[/QUOTE]Even Ray Charles can see how disingenuous you are and he is blind and dead, but go ahead and disagree for the sake of disagreeing. There is a thick line between paying for pussy and being in a traditional relationship with someone. Bless the person's heart who can't or claims he can not tell the difference.

Thank your for your warm welcome to the community.

Stop being passive aggressive [B]Rzrfl69[/B] and speak to me directly like real man. That is a request not a demand. And everyone who reads my posts needs to do so with their big boy panties on. I do not argue, attack or call names (like many others do). I discuss and share my thoughts. You don't like my thoughts, put me on ignore.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827465]We all know what groups, your just trying to make an issue in the community.[/QUOTE]Actually I don't know what groups you are talking about. If you know who they are then state who they are. If you are afraid to state it then maybe deep down inside you know who you are and what what you are and maybe just maybe self examination is in order. I only pointed that many are swimming naked so now they want to run to grab their swim trunks and blame the messenger. I simply let everyone see a reflection of possible biases in themselves.

[B]Exactly what issue am I trying to make?[/B]

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827465]Yes it's a huge difference to people going somewhere doing things they couldn't normally afford. To people going there to do things that are legal and accepted in that society. Massive difference in fact.[/QUOTE]Are the individuals you refer to from the (secret unnamed groups in question) doing anything illegal? Are they doing things that are getting them deported from Colombia? Thrown out of the establishments they are doing them in?

Heads up for you Bro. I don't know where you are from. But for he last ten years I have lived in the Dominican Republic. I do not come from sex prison in the DisUnited States of America. I come from a land where young pussy is plentiful and available. But in case you didn't get the memo I have had a passport since got my first job for the government of my country of origin. And it was Diplomatic Passport. The color at that time was red. Pretty heady stuff for young man in his early 20's.

I share this not to brag but to give perspective to you young boys. Anyone with a passport has always been free to travel the world in order to go where they are treated best. Clearly the individuals from the (secret unnamed groups) are doing this after having been smart enough to get their passports, earn enough money to be able to buy a plane ticket to travel to another country, along with paying for the lodging, food and entertainment that they wish.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827465]Those people don't know how to act.[/QUOTE]What people? And what definition are you using to judge their behavior.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827465]Like they just hit the lottery.[/QUOTE]Every man that works hard has the right to spend their money as they choose to do so. And real men know this! You will never find me telling another man how to spend his money. So, if someone wants to spend their money like they are one week millionaires, if they like it I love it. Does not affect me one bit.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827465] Yet then go back home to their tiny existence.[/QUOTE]The individuals of the (secret unnamed group to which you are referring) have worked hard to earn their money. They are taking a bit of time from their wage slave existence to come and enjoy the fruits of their hard work. Exactly what is your problem with that?

[I]How does how another man spends his money have any affect on you?[/I]

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827465]And how does it raise prices? Because girls see these idiots throwing money around and expect that for them. [/QUOTE]So, according to you, all men who spend money in a way that you do not approve of are "idiots". Do you have a problem with the fact that I just spent what I had to spend to buy a iPhone 14 Pro Max 512 GB? Lots of less expensive phones out there. Am I an idiot also?

What a girl expects has absolutely no affect on me. I am going to pay what I am going to pay. And I am going to give what I am going to give. It is a private transaction. And my experience and Spanish speaking ability allow me to tell a girl to to get your money from someone else. I am not paying anymore than I want to pay. The ability to say no and be comfortable with yourself is a very powerful skill. Those who seek more inner power need to master it. We all need to be men and hold frame. And not be moved by what others are doing. There are too many girls out there who would like to just have chance to get by this month. Get out of the tourist areas where these (secret, unnamed) groups operate and into the real world and community that you are visiting. You do speak Spanish, right?

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827465]How do you not understand that?[/QUOTE]I understand it better than you do. Because I understand economics. I am not a wage slave anymore. I emancipated myself. I am now a capitalist. I understand that the pussy market is a consumer market. It is also a market where price discovery is not pure as the transitions are private. And learned from my experiences that what I choose to pay or give is not dependent upon what any other man is doing in that market. That is the nature of the pussy market. And because I believe that "pussy is pussy" it allows me to stay focused on the deal and not the girl.

My suggestion is for individuals who are not getting what they want out of life to spend some time doing some self examination and self improvement. Having a little backbone never hurt any man. And they might find their lives dramatically improved if they develop themselves instead of just complaining about others.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827465]Oh this moron is throwing away $1 bills. He and his friends can afford to give me a lot more if they act like that.[/QUOTE]Well, I feel sorry for the girl who thinks like that. If that activity is occurring it is occurring within a business establishment focused on entertainment. They are spending money. A girl does not decide how much they get from an encounter from me. I decide that. And I would suggest that you and anyone else that does want to be thought of by these same girls to be a punk ass female dog, dumb mother fuckin, girly man do the same.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827465]So yes. This immaturity, ignorance, or just plain stupidity is ruining this scene almost everywhere.[/QUOTE]Like whoa! Really, I will take your word on this one. And stipulate that you are the expert in Cartagena on the activity that occurs with the (secret, unnamed) groups you are referring to. May I ask question, when you see such behavior and you feel a deep revulsion down to your soul, do you get up and immediately leave the establishment you witness this in?

I see jealousy. And I don't understand why. Those with passports and knowledge, who don't like what others who also have passports and enough money to use them, can just use their passports again to travel to a different location. Or they can simply goto the establishments where the individuals of the (secret unnamed) groups that behave in a way that they don't approve off are not going. Worrying about what another man is doing with his dick or money is a violation of Man Law 101 in my opinion and is some mother fuckin, punk * ass girly man shit.

Instead of focusing on others, focus on yourself. Because if you can take care of yourself you will always be happy. You cannot control what others do. After you arrive in a spot and you find the individuals in that spot to no longer be to your liking, move on. You are not promised the experience your are seeking. Real men get it by seeking it out for themselves until they find it.

1,000,000 million people live in Cartagena. And individuals cannot find a place in the entire city where they are comfortable? Or is it that they simply don't feel that others (others in these secret unnamed groups) should have same right to exercise their ability to travel and party in the places that they do?

[B]I keep it real![/B]

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2826368]I just booked my trip for July 6-9. Was supposed to goin April but flight was cancelled due to crazy rains in Ft. Lauderdale.

Haven't been there in over a year. Looking forward. My regular girl will be there from Medellin. Plan to spend most the time with her and she will help me choose some girls for extra fun. She loves to watch.

Seems like things have calmed down a bit there. I talked to a local I know and he said many less problems than before. Many police.

I did put my tinder to ctg last night. Noticing a ton more dark skin girls compared to previous trips.[/QUOTE]I had a reply to this post and either the mods didn't approve it or it got lost on the way due to how fast this board times out and logs you out in the middle of composing a message.

But to sum it up. I wouldn't take face value of 1 local how things are there, I got to multiple sources. For example, I get most of my information from the chicas who work the street and the clubs so I always know what's going on in and around Dolce, Delirium and Space, they will let me know up front the new scams, places to stay away from after certain times, clubs that pulls bait and switch, girls to stay away from, etc.

If you don't have those type of boots on the ground sources then social media is a good alternative.

I've put some reports before of the problems at the beaches, gringos being followed from the airport and robbed at gunpoint, People getting robbed in Getsemani as somehow that area is seeing an increased 2 men on a Motocycle sighting. I guessing the cops no longer have that roadblock preventing them from entering Manga and using the bridge to get over to Getsemani.

Another place to check is Instagram and use it as a resource to be aware of when you see something you can connect the dots and act accordingly rather than get caught off guard.

There are more on Minuto30.

Since you have not been there in over a year, here's a few to keep you aware:

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/CtbvO4bOlyY/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/CryaKFFgfwt/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/CsUrfdWA-E5/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/CsaITG_A8Xp/[/URL]

Might not be open:

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/CtILJsIAjuP/[/URL]

As always, be cautious, stay safe, and make it home with more good stories than bad ones.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2827470]No need for arguing over a matter that is so simple and which the 'arguers' are actually on the same page. P4P is a relationship that is based entirely on money. A 'real' relationship is not based entirely on money, both parties have made a commitment to each other. There are usually several factors that could lead to such a commitment being made and the financial resources of one or other of the parties may be one such factor. Other factors could be looks, background, interests, etc.[/QUOTE]Another clue is that if she makes her living fucking guys and you are one of them. It's prostitution.

There are 50 shades of grey on this. I have had women I met as prostitutes who became friends, either while they still worked or after they worked. One moved in with me, and one I travel with regularly off the clock. Sometimes we fucked for money, sometimes we fucked for no money, sometimes we didn't fuck and I gave them money anyway, and sometimes we didn't fuck and I didn't give them money. If you need to classify other people, if they still have sex with other people for money they are prostitutes; if they don't anymore they are former prostitutes. That is a job they have (or had) and it doesn't mean they are somehow disqualified from having "real" relationships. I don't feel any need to categorize or classify my relationships (yes, they are relationships), and if anyone else wants to offer their totally uninformed opinion on my relationships I will have a good laugh.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2827464]Well allow me to rephrase real relationship to relationship that is not based on money. But I prefer my relationships not to be based on whether I have or give the other person money or not. I prefer my partner to like me for me, not because the check is coming.[/QUOTE][B]On this we are in complete agreement.[/B] And that is my preference also. Now I'll wait for another 1000 of your replies to my posts for the next point of agreement.

Sorry you disagree with me. I understand your need to be right. Everyone who reads our exchanges can see that is the case. But if you need someone to tell you that you are right to feel better about yourself then you need to talk to one of the girls you are in a real relationship with and ask for that affirmation from her. Because you will not get it in anyplace in this entire forum as you continue to challenge my personal views because you disagree with them.

My degree in Sociology from one the top ten departments in the discipline and allows me to speak with authority on the subject. In my opinion, prostitution is what the society says it is. This is not a point of fact. It is a point of opinion. Reasoned opinion but opinion none the less. I know I am not going to open your mind on the subject because like many people here who cannot accept that others do not agree with them I am just putting my ideas out there. Disagreement just to be disagreeable is not my game. My game is the intellectual sharing of ideas. And I believe what I write. Call me stupid or and idiot if you like. Name calling says more about the person doing the name calling.

Make a deal to have sex for life and it is called marriage. Make a deal to have sex for 1 hour and it is called prostitution. But you do not buy your prostitute a house, car, clothes, food and other items of life that wind up costing much more than paying the hourly fee for a prostitute. So in my mind marriage looks a lot like having your prostitute on retainer for life. And if you think that is not in the minds of girl the world over then you should get out and experience the world a little more. No blessings needed. I there was such thing as true love there would not me multiple marriages and divorce. Hell, people even move one after their spouse dies. Tell me why some of the richest girls in the entire world a rich because they divorced a rich husband. Who actually made that money? And you are going to tell me that "real relationships are not based on money"?

The deal that is made between two people is a bright line issue only to the individuals making the deal. I don't know how you can define a relationship that is not based on money because in a shared money relationship stop putting in your half and sit on your ass all day while your wife works her ass off. And see how long that lasts? Money is a core issue in relationships. It is estimated (depending upon who you want to believe) that 20 - 40% of marriages end in divorce over financial issues. A relationship may not be based on money. But is sure looks to be pretty important in a relationship for sure. Personally I don't believe you can separate the issues.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2827488]Even Ray Charles can see how disingenuous you are and he is blind and dead, but go ahead and disagree for the sake of disagreeing. There is a thick line between paying for pussy and being in a traditional relationship with someone. Bless the person's heart who can't or claims he can not tell the difference.[/QUOTE]

I mean videos interviewing girls. Come on. It's just too much. No more discretion.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2827470]No need for arguing over a matter that is so simple and which the 'arguers' are actually on the same page. P4P is a relationship that is based entirely on money. A 'real' relationship is not based entirely on money, both parties have made a commitment to each other. There are usually several factors that could lead to such a commitment being made and the financial resources of one or other of the parties may be one such factor. Other factors could be looks, background, interests, etc.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. Also, could we say that in a committed relationship neither party is fucking other people? . Or at least I'd hope the woman isn't LOL.

And since it was open both would be "fucking other people". Meanwhile, a more interesting question is if a relationship where the man is fucking other people is a real relationship. I say it is not. Unless the man is open about it. Because real relationships are not based on deception (IMO).

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2827615]Also, could we say that in a committed relationship neither party is fucking other people? . Or at least I'd hope the woman isn't LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2827615]could we say that in a committed relationship neither party is fucking other people? . Or at least I'd hope the woman isn't LOL.[/QUOTE]I am always amazed how many folks seem to think that everyone else needs to be like them.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2827652]I am always amazed how many folks seem to think that everyone else needs to be like them.[/QUOTE]I think that is just human nature. Everyone sees life through our own individual paradigm. I am sure you are familiar with the expression "Take a moment and walk in another mans shoes. ". That is not a natural thought process. I can tell you from my personal life experience that it took a long time to realize that everyone did not think like me because they were all not as intelligent as I was. Once I realized that, I understood the world much better and my personal interactions improved.

In the end, only my dick matters. And it is fun talking about this stuff here. But it is the moisture of the pussy and my dick inside of it until I ejaculate that matters to me. How I get to that point is a matter of personal preference and not up for debate or judgement by other people. LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2827470]No need for arguing over a matter that is so simple and which the 'arguers' are actually on the same page. P4P is a relationship that is based entirely on money. A 'real' relationship is not based entirely on money, both parties have made a commitment to each other. There are usually several factors that could lead to such a commitment being made and the financial resources of one or other of the parties may be one such factor. Other factors could be looks, background, interests, etc.[/QUOTE]Good point and good summary. Yeah, we got a newbie here who is arguing just to argue. There is no point to any of it outside of his trying to show how "brilliant he is.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2827573]Another clue is that if she makes her living fucking guys and you are one of them. It's prostitution.

There are 50 shades of grey on this. I have had women I met as prostitutes who became friends, either while they still worked or after they worked. One moved in with me, and one I travel with regularly off the clock. Sometimes we fucked for money, sometimes we fucked for no money, sometimes we didn't fuck and I gave them money anyway, and sometimes we didn't fuck and I didn't give them money. If you need to classify other people, if they still have sex with other people for money they are prostitutes; if they don't anymore they are former prostitutes. That is a job they have (or had) and it doesn't mean they are somehow disqualified from having "real" relationships. I don't feel any need to categorize or classify my relationships (yes, they are relationships), and if anyone else wants to offer their totally uninformed opinion on my relationships I will have a good laugh.[/QUOTE]That is right. Relationships (real or otherwise) are fluid. That is how things work in the real world. You and I feel the same way about those using their own definitions to define the relationships of others. And then attacking you when you reject their narrow minded thinking and present your alternative views. Speaking to you from a point of superiority like they are a parent and you are the child. Most are simply keyboard warriors who would never speak to anyone in person the way they do from the safety of sitting behind their keyboard. I been putting up with mess like that from the same people for nearly ten years. It gets tiring.

How does the expression go? Those of you who think you know it all really irritate those of us who actually [B]do[/B] know it all. LOL!

I can't with this guy hahaha. Just ignoring his posts. Is this guy facilitating groups?? Or just wanting to feel a victim?

That's it on that!

Nypher for sure you still have to watch your back. But it's nothing like it was 4 months ago. There is a large police presence now and they are and have been cracking down.

Looking forward to my trip soon. There's no shortage of girls there. That's for sure! Something for everyone's taste.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827701]I can't with this guy hahaha.[/QUOTE]No you can't. And for good reason.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827701]Just ignoring his posts.[/QUOTE]No you are not ignoring my posts. You are reading every word. And then commenting in a passive aggressive way each and every time. Below I will answer the questions that you asked.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827701]Is this guy facilitating groups?? Or just wanting to feel a victim?[/QUOTE]Neither. Just pointing out biases. In life I am winning, in all aspects of the word. Only individuals that allow their happiness to be affected by others are victims. Let's see if the complaints continue and who makes them.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827701]That's it on that! [/QUOTE]Excellent. Continue to enjoy the mutual admiration society your community has established. Enjoy your trip. And I hope the (secret, unnamed) groups that bother you so much don't interfere with your next trip. Good day Sir!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2827662] I am sure you are familiar with the expression "Take a moment and walk in another mans shoes. ". That is not a natural thought process.![/QUOTE]Or as Billy Connolly would say "Before you judge someone, trying walking a mile in his shoes. After that who cares? He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!

I'm debating a trip to cartagena in July. I wanted a trip for punting but also a beach. Reading the forums here and elsewhere it appears hollywood beach is good but a lot of people complain about beach vendors. Is it that bad all over?

Like Medellin is there a Cartagena version of the mansion or safe-ish gringo area I. E. Poblado? Any guidance for a first timer would be appreciated. Cheers.

I was talking to my friend from Medellin, she's in Cartagena right now and she's complaining the Venezuelans are leaving for 200 k. And it seems from tinder, Instagram, and the videos being put out that there are a ton of girls there at the moment.

Any recent reports on how things are at the airport? Knock on wood I never experienced it. But heard stories of hour long waits at immigration coming in. Luckily I usually have early flights.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827898]I was talking to my friend from Medellin, she's in Cartagena right now and she's complaining the Venezuelans are leaving for 200 k. And it seems from tinder, Instagram, and the videos being put out that there are a ton of girls there at the moment.

Any recent reports on how things are at the airport? Knock on wood I never experienced it. But heard stories of hour long waits at immigration coming in. Luckily I usually have early flights.[/QUOTE]200 K Venezuelans? I'm guessing this is daytime quick fun because at night time it will jump to $100 minimum.

The girls know what's up, they know its Juneteenth and the weekend millionaires are coming down because they have that 1 extra day off from work. The next big weekend to avoid will be 4th of July since it falls on a Tuesday, many of those weekend millionaires will take the Monday off and stretch that weekend in DR or Colombia.

As for the airport lines, I've seen a few stories on social media from state side sistas who like to drag us in the dirt for exercising our options complain about the line as well. For some odd reason some sistas are also running to Cartegena to see why all the brothers are going there so frequently. Unfortunately, most of the plane's land around the same time so pray you aren't behind the Spirit plane because that's where most of the delays happen when they approach the immigration officer and don't have their information ready.

I usually take the first direct flight out and aim to land the middle of the week but by the time I land 2 planes are usually ahead of me and its always a relief when its not the cheese bus LOL.

Happy travels.

[QUOTE=TheNakedIndian;2827855]I'm debating a trip to cartagena in July. I wanted a trip for punting but also a beach. Reading the forums here and elsewhere it appears hollywood beach is good but a lot of people complain about beach vendors. Is it that bad all over?

Like Medellin is there a Cartagena version of the mansion or safe-ish gringo area I. E. Poblado? Any guidance for a first timer would be appreciated. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Yes Hollywood Beach is good for daytime action but you will not get any peace and quiet while at that beach especially if your July trip falls on the weekend of the 4th.

I do not know of any places in Cartegena like the Mansion but there are clubs in Centro where you can pop in, see girls and talk to them and negotiate, take them to a short stay hotel or back to your place if you feel its safe enough. El Poblado is not as safe as people make it out to be, most of the stuff I see coming out of Medellin about shootings, robberies, drugging's are El Poblado or Laurels and these are the ones that are reported and make it to the news networks.

Cartegena is safe as long as the traveler use common sense, if its your first time, take the caution of not crossing those bridges that lead outside the walls.

Have fun, stay safe.

[QUOTE=TheNakedIndian;2827855]I'm debating a trip to cartagena in July. I wanted a trip for punting but also a beach. Reading the forums here and elsewhere it appears hollywood beach is good but a lot of people complain about beach vendors. Is it that bad all over?

Like Medellin is there a Cartagena version of the mansion or safe-ish gringo area I. E. Poblado? Any guidance for a first timer would be appreciated. Cheers.[/QUOTE]I wish people would understand that Poblado is not the safe haven that most people think. A fact is more Gringos are killed in Poblado then in Centro. As far as the Vendors and other people who won't leave you alone, you will find that CTG has more of these pests than you could imagine.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2827898]I was talking to my friend from Medellin, she's in Cartagena right now and she's complaining the Venezuelans are leaving for 200 k. And it seems from tinder, Instagram, and the videos being put out that there are a ton of girls there at the moment.

Any recent reports on how things are at the airport? Knock on wood I never experienced it. But heard stories of hour long waits at immigration coming in. Luckily I usually have early flights.[/QUOTE]MDE is the worst for getting thru Customs. My last 3 trips took around 90 minutes to pass. In May I got thru Customs in CTG in about 15 minutes.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2828121]MDE is the worst for getting thru Customs. My last 3 trips took around 90 minutes to pass. In May I got thru Customs in CTG in about 15 minutes.[/QUOTE]Spot on regards the line getting through immigration in Medellin as the line took me 100 minutes.

TTM.

I always make sure I'm prepared with everything so I can get out of an airport as soon as possible!

Everything printed, filled out, ready. I'll print out my reservation info in Spanish so it's easy for them to read etc. I usually keep a few extra pesos from previous trips too so I can just walk out. Get a taxi and go.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2827915]Yes Hollywood Beach is good for daytime action .....[/QUOTE]You can pick up babes for pay on the beach during the day?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2828689]You can pick up babes for pay on the beach during the day?[/QUOTE]Yes, Thursday. Sunday.

Sunday is the day where its mostly packed but you have to be discreet about it as families are there.

I always say to try them in the day time and then if they are good then call them back for the nighttime. The same girls on the beach will sharply increase their price to $100 once the sun goes down.

I want to love this place because of course the ladies on the beach.

Absolutely cannot stand the touts, but for the ladies I can stomach it.

Except. Every time I have gone to Hollywood I have not found the selection to be that great. I expected each time for some reason that there would be super ladies in hot thongs and mostly I have only seen 5 and 6's and I am not picky at all, I have seen Tony, s book but I don't want the touts working for me. For me my favorite part of mongering is the hunt.

I have fucked off this beach before and I never paid more than 200 k with tips and actually had good experiences but I feel like the quality is so so.

Am I wrong? Have why'all found some mega hotties? Maybe I just showed up on the wrong days but I have been quite a few different days.

Yes during the day the beach and tinder are your best bets.

Really can't wait to be going soon. Seems no shortage of talent. Love the hunt of finding the one I want. Talking to her a bit. Feeling her out. And then pulling that trigger.

Only change this trip I'm still planning on is using Uber instead of taxis.

I still just can't get over these videos and posts of guys going out. Posting them with girls. Oh look they jump right on you. Oh they all want Americans 🤣. And people commenting on it with zero clue. Even a random comment that they are hookers gets shot down 🤣.

This one guy making a video and saying the girls shouldn't care if they are in video if they aren't doing anything wrong like stealing. You moron. They are hookers. They don't want their face and spot blasted on youtube.

And tinder is safe. Just don't think you're getting a date on it like back home 🤣. Invite them to your place. Do the deed. Make them leave. You wana go out, control the situation. Your Uber. Your choice where to eat.

Don't think she's going to show you her city 🤣129315;128580;128580;.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2828826]Yes during the day the beach and tinder are your best bets.

Really can't wait to be going soon. Seems no shortage of talent. Love the hunt of finding the one I want. Talking to her a bit. Feeling her out. And then pulling that trigger.

Only change this trip I'm still planning on is using Uber instead of taxis.

I still just can't get over these videos and posts of guys going out. Posting them with girls. Oh look they jump right on you. Oh they all want Americans 🤣. And people commenting on it with zero clue. Even a random comment that they are hookers gets shot down 🤣.

This one guy making a video and saying the girls shouldn't care if they are in video if they aren't doing anything wrong like stealing. You moron. They are hookers. They don't want their face and spot blasted on youtube.

And tinder is safe. Just don't think you're getting a date on it like back home 🤣. Invite them to your place. Do the deed. Make them leave. You wana go out, control the situation. Your Uber. Your choice where to eat.

Don't think she's going to show you her city 🤣129315;128580;128580;.[/QUOTE]In Driver and DiDi are the other apps. Indriver will be better than Uber. I've had tons of Ubers cancel on me late night but when my chica use indriver we get a taxi.

Those videos are kinda funny and why there is a big separation going on in that community of travelers. The constant of recording interaction with girls for clicks and views trying to make the girls look like normal girls when those of us who been there knows the girls are working and that how he can get a number in 30 seconds with "hola" " de donde erres?" "you have what's app?" "I'm estados unidos" LMFAO. The comments are crazy on TicTok, and always make me lauugh.

[QUOTE=OldSchool318;2828814]I want to love this place because of course the ladies on the beach.

Absolutely cannot stand the touts, but for the ladies I can stomach it.

Except. Every time I have gone to Hollywood I have not found the selection to be that great. I expected each time for some reason that there would be super ladies in hot thongs and mostly I have only seen 5 and 6's and I am not picky at all, I have seen Tony, s book but I don't want the touts working for me. For me my favorite part of mongering is the hunt.

I have fucked off this beach before and I never paid more than 200 k with tips and actually had good experiences but I feel like the quality is so so.

Am I wrong? Have why'all found some mega hotties? Maybe I just showed up on the wrong days but I have been quite a few different days.[/QUOTE]"Mega hotties" is all subjective. For instance I've seen guys there snatch up chicas who I would consider overweight and to them, that's a baddie. To me, she needs to loose some weight. I've seen them go for the ones that suck the fat out their stomach and inject it in their ass making their ass full of craters and cellulite and to them, that's a baddie. I use to travel with a guy who would not touch anything under 200 lb, he just loves women twice his size, that's his "mega hottie", I watched him night after night look for the biggest girl and his grin was ear to ear when he found one. I truly came to understand "to each their own".

What I can suggest is to use Tinder for daytime dates, if you find one you like and things are good then you can bring them back for overnight or day trips. Chicas in the day are way more fun, at night time they are more focused on the money because they know some gringos are out there throwing it recklessly.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2828689]You can pick up babes for pay on the beach during the day?[/QUOTE]My previous message was supposed to say Thursday to Sunday but for some odd reason when posting the website removed the dash.

Today I learned this site turns dashes into dots when posting, I now know to preview every message before posting so information does not get lost on the way.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2828869]"Mega hotties" is all subjective.

What I can suggest is to use Tinder for daytime dates, if you find one you like and things are good then you can bring them back for overnight or day trips. Chicas in the day are way more fun, at night time they are more focused on the money because they know some gringos are out there throwing it recklessly.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. I did mean they were not really up to what I usually look for. But to each their own. I just imagined before I ever went there it was a line up of models and it wasn't. I'm sure some dudes do absolutely find it to be dream place.

Now with tinder I agree. I did find mega hotties to come over and knock on my door like having a pizza delivered. I absolutely found that option the best one by far.

Tinder, tinder. Tinder. So many guys drugged and some killed from Tinder dates. I guess some guys like to live the fast lane without regard to being safe.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2829273]Tinder, tinder. Tinder. So many guys drugged and some killed from Tinder dates. I guess some guys like to live the fast lane without regard to being safe.[/QUOTE]Yes this happens with Tinder in Medellin, but does not necessarily mean it happens in Cartagena, Bogota, or Cali the same. Just like finding chicks on Facebook is a thing in Medellin but not other places around Colombia. We can't come on this thread and tell people to find chicks on Facebook; likewise we can not say chicks on Tinder are drugging people. Those things are city specific, not website or country specific.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2829273]Tinder, tinder. Tinder. So many guys drugged and some killed from Tinder dates. I guess some guys like to live the fast lane without regard to being safe.[/QUOTE]Why would tinder be more of a risk than any other app or going to Hollywood or the clock tower?

I had them come to me from tinder and they had to give their I'the to the guest desk. Then if something did happen there is a full paper trail where if I meet them in the club there certainly is not.

Also, I don't even drink although I always would stock the place with booze for them.

Anything can certainly happen anywhere but safety speaking I like my odds a lot. To me it seems like a much safer option.

This happens anywhere on tinder or any dating site. Not just Colombia. You have to be smart.

Yeah, let me meet a random girl in a foreign country and get in a car with her and go somewhere. That's smart. 🙄.

Saying your chances of being drugged by someone off tinder is higher than out of the clubs or streets is being just ignorant.

In my opinion, and from extensive use, it's wayyyyyyyyy safer than going out to meet someone. You have time to build some knowledge of that person. Sure they can be lieing about all, but when she shows up to the apartment and looks different or whatever you can just turn her away. Remember. These girls are hookers. Do your deed, watch your back and carry on.

Instead you want to go to a club, have someone slip something in your drink. Blow a powder in your face. Pick up a girl from the street that's being watched by her pimp. Nah I'm good.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2829374]Instead you want to go to a club, have someone slip something in your drink. Blow a powder in your face. Pick up a girl from the street that's being watched by her pimp. Nah I'm good.[/QUOTE]Is blowing powder into someone's face really a thing or is it just an old wives tale? I have never seen somebody report it happening to them like that. I am sure if someone blew powder in your face you would have time to say what the fuck are you doing and get away. You would not just be instantly under their contro. I have only seen this in the movie The Serpent and the Rainbow.

"In a time of social and political unrest in Haiti, anthropologist Dennis Alan (Bill Pullman) travels to the torn country to study a Voodoo drug used in religious practices to turn victims into living zombies. With the help of a witch doctor (Brent Jennings) and a fellow researcher (Cathy Tyson), Dennis pieces together the deadly mystery. But as Dennis uncovers the secrets behind the mysterious powder, he must evade the Haitian authorities who view his research as a potential threat. ".

If I am looking for high end clubs like Scandallo but don't want to go to SP all the way from US- which one of these 2 cities is a better option? Santa Fe in Bogota seems to be too much of low end SW scene. Never been but just from reading all the posts.

Any info or opinions would be great.

Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2829273]Tinder, tinder. Tinder. So many guys drugged and some killed from Tinder dates. I guess some guys like to live the fast lane without regard to being safe.[/QUOTE]I can take your exact statement and replace the word "Tinder" with "Colombia" or "Medellin" and it will translate the same to guys who go to those places.

Do you believe Tinder is the only place this happens? It happens on every site and every place. Tinder is just the buzz word everyone is using as it's the most common one that's familiar to others. When they don't say Tinder they will say "online".

The girls are also using Hinge, Tag, Happen, and Facebook. Hardly anything is said about those sites even though the same things happen. Same as meeting girls in the club, if the gringo is a mark then he's a mark no matter where he meets them.

The gentleman below had it right. Tinder should be used like ordering a pizza. Knock on the door and enjoy.

So, we have to ask ourselves how the hell does 5 guys all get drugged at the same time. People think, strength in numbers, wolf pack, the whole team roll as one. Well these girls already knew what time it was. Every Fathers Day or Juneteenth weekend these girls are ready. Everyone is going to get Papaya 4th July weekend since it falls on a Tuesday.

This was Monday.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/CtuHHAzA8Nm/?hl=en[/URL]

They blame Tinder because in the US you expect to get a hookup out of it or a legit date. In Colombia it's used to get hookers. These guys are that ignorant because of the stupid YouTube videos.

Anyone in Laguito? Is the ATM at the end by the Hilton up and running good? It's the only one left in the area.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2829484]Anyone in Laguito? Is the ATM at the end by the Hilton up and running good? It's the only one left in the area.[/QUOTE]Last time I was there I went to this one over where what use to be Exito Express. They changed the name to something new now. Up the steps and walk towards the back.

The ATM was one of the green ones. I can't remember the name but it was Divienda or something like that.

Looks more like they all conspired to just grab what they can and run 🤣129315;. Again. You don't leave out anything you don't mind loosing! Trust none of them! I don't care how innocent or sweet she is.

[QUOTE=TummySangs;2829427]If I am looking for high end clubs like Scandallo but don't want to go to SP all the way from US- which one of these 2 cities is a better option? Santa Fe in Bogota seems to be too much of low end SW scene. Never been but just from reading all the posts.

Any info or opinions would be great.

Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]TS, the best high end clubs in Colombia are in Medellin, La Isla and Face Dos.

There are higher end clubs in North Bogota but honestly the women in them are not better looking than Santa Fe, so you are paying more and not getting anything better. Santa Fe is sketchy but you can take any girl out of the club or off the street for a lot less than the Northern clubs, and I have never had anything happen to me there. I knew an Asian guy who went every day for months and the only issue he had was when he left his drink unattended and got drugged. The majority of women in Santa Fe are not attractive but usually once a night, I would find an 8 or 9 to jump on.

IMO Bogota is probably the best city in the world for women. The Medellin women tended to all be hooker types IMO. The ones I met in Medellin and liked were always from somewhere else and were just there for school.

I have an apartment with my gal in Cartagena and honestly I have not seen near the lookers here I have in Bogota or Medellin.

The reason to come to Cartagena is the weather and beach. Bogota has pollution, high elevation, and horrible traffic. There are some beauties here but you are going to pay a lot for them and the town is much, much smaller than Bogota.

I have always said the way to do Cartagena is to get a woman or preferably women from another city and fly them down here. If you get the right woman or women, you will have the time of your life and almost all the women in Bogota want to go where it is warmer even for a short time.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2830201]I have always said the way to do Cartagena is to get a woman or preferably women from another city and fly them down here. If you get the right woman or women, you will have the time of your life and almost all the women in Bogota want to go where it is warmer even for a short time.[/QUOTE]If I was going to go that route then I would do San Andres instead. It is cheaper and the beaches are nicer. You don't have all those touts either. Also, a plus for non Spanish speakers, everyone on San Andres speaks English!

[QUOTE=Nypher;2827147]Most girls you meet on the street or in the clubs will know where the love motels are.
The mostly known one is.
HOTEL EL VIAJERO CENTRO.
[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/Mrd1ekRD6E9ycgK6A?g_st=ic[/URL]
The only sex shop I can recall is when I left Monkey Bar and started walking towards the clocktower. It's on that same street as Monkey Bar before reaching Alquimico but I can't remember the name.
There's another in Bocagrande across from the Intercontinental Shopping mall.[/QUOTE]Hotel El Porvenir is across the street from Hotel El Viajero and it also works well. My own approach is that I rent a room in either one of those spots, apart from where I'm actually staying. I'm a great believer in decoupling. I tip the staff in both those hotels well; I go there often enough so that makes some sense. I bring my own toys, typically a couple of vibrators, oils and balms, so unfortunately I can't help with sex shops, but I think I saw the one in Bocogrande a couple of months back. I leave the toys in the love motel.

I don't believe you can buy a Shibari Mini Halo Vibrator in Cartagena and I'd recommend you have one. My experience is it's a real hit with most girls and they often ask me to gift it to them, so I expect it might not be available locally. It's a powerful tool and while I've been impressed - sometimes even jealous - with some of the reactions to it, some woman find it's too powerful, so I also bring a GSPY Three-in-one Vibrating Rabbit Vibrator which often works well when a lighter touch is required. If a woman needs the GSPY you are often in for a long session. When I'm on the beach or in the club I pack a AEVEONE Personal Massager Wand as it's a handy way to both give a woman a message and signal to other girls that I believe in happy endings, all around. Of course, the decision to pack these kinds of things is not something everyone here would agree with, but if you think you might share my perspective I'd encourage you to do so.

Sooooo looking forward to being there in a few days. Waking up. Sending a text out to see who's up and can come by for a BJ. Or fucking my girl if she stayed the night. Walking around. Seeing the old city. Getting a coffee here. Ice cream there since it's hot as fuck haha. Eyeing some chicas. Maybe a lunch date with one. Go back to fuck. Walk the beach and chill, have some beers. Scope out more treats. Maybe pick one up. Have some afternoon fun. Then go have dinner with some chick looking baddddd. Take her back. Have fun. Then send her out and go to delerium or dolce hahah.

That's my typical day. Love it!

Thank you Elvis. Bogota, it is then. Got spoilt by the amazing service and facilities of Scandallo. But its just too far to travel to for 5 days. So was hoping there is a similar set up 4 hours from Florida. .

TS, the best high end clubs in Colombia are in Medellin, La Isla and Face Dos.

There are higher end clubs in North Bogota but honestly the women in them are not better looking than Santa Fe, so you are paying more and not getting anything better. Santa Fe is sketchy but you can take any girl out of the club or off the street for a lot less than the Northern clubs, and I have never had anything happen to me there. I knew an Asian guy who went every day for months and the only issue he had was when he left his drink unattended and got drugged. The majority of women in Santa Fe are not attractive but usually once a night, I would find an 8 or 9 to jump on.

IMO Bogota is probably the best city in the world for women. The Medellin women tended to all be hooker types IMO. The ones I met in Medellin and liked were always from somewhere else and were just there for school.

I have an apartment with my gal in Cartagena and honestly I have not seen near the lookers here I have in Bogota or Medellin.

The reason to come to Cartagena is the weather and beach. Bogota has pollution, high elevation, and horrible traffic. There are some beauties here but you are going to pay a lot for them and the town is much, much smaller than Bogota.

I have always said the way to do Cartagena is to get a woman or preferably women from another city and fly them down here. If you get the right woman or women, you will have the time of your life and almost all the women in Bogota want to go where it is warmer even for a short time.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2826520]I'm a early 40's guy and I love the party mongering popping bottles and having fun. I spend what many consider is overpaying but as long as I have fun I don't care.

However these groups that come in are rude loud and obnoxious and I think they forget the main objective. It's mongering. These are women for sale.

I go to a club have my fun pick out a girl to spend the night with. Negotiate every little detail I want and off we go.

But nowadays these guys that are coming in just making things worse taking the discretion out of everything.

I'm all for guys having a good time. But when you go into places like dolce vita or delirium you're not there to pick up girls. They're all for sale. This drives up prices because girls don't want to deal with this BS. It's already happened in DR and now in Cart. I predict medellin is next cause I'm seeing more and more girls leaving the country to work.

The beach I don't go to.[/QUOTE]That is where you are wrong not everyone main objective is the women not everyone is a hardcore monger. Last trip in May I came down with six guys age 26-32 all celebrating different things. Main objective was to enjoy ourselves. We did a lot of tourist activities went to regular clubs picked up regular girls and other female tourists. We also went to the beach and all the mongering clubs, bought bottles nightly. If someone liked a chick they would take them out the club. Our Airbnb was stocked with alcohol and other party favors plus a pool so the girls actually enjoyed partying with us and made money while doing so. Some days some guys didn't feel the need to take anyone either from exhaustion or their balls were already drained from other tourist or girls we met. Bottom line is the main objective was to have fun and mongering is just a nice second option. We've done the same things in Mexico, DR and coming up is Thailand.

As far as the girls working out of the Country it's economics. I've been coming to Colombia since 2018 and a large amount of the girls I know have travelled to work. They can simply make more in Europe, Dubai, and Mexico. One of my favorite medellin girls no longer works in Colombia exclusively Panama and Mexico. As much as you want blame groups of guys for this trend it's simply economic factors.

Anddddddddd that's why things are getting ruined for mongering hahahah. You explain it yourself.

Throwing and spending money at a mongering spot is only to get clout. That's it. You want to feel like a big shot and have these girls climb all over.

When are you guys going to learn its business! Yeah these girls may be having fun at the moment. Getting wasted helps even more. But they want their money. They need to pay for that room at the end of the week. They are there to work. Not to get a tan.

Discussing what's happening with friends, it's going to come down to a pimp messing up one of these guys walking around recording. And fucking up a group for not paying. Then things will change. And it's going to happen.

You simply can't argue against it. These groups are terrible for this hobby. Look at the DR.

I really am not going to address the group thing again. Nothing we can do about it. But it's ruining how this hobby was in ctg.

I've been going to Colombia since early 2000's. Never have I had girls respond to me, "you expect everything free like everyone else?" When you're mentioning you're looking for fun. So explain to me why they are asking that.

They ain't your girlfriend, wife, they ain't in love with you, they don't want anything from you except those pesos. Or if your dumb enough, dollar bills.

Respect is what's missing in this world, but that's a whole different rant. That's the difference between those who have been doing this for a while. Compared to those who saw a YouTube video and want to experience what they think they are seeing.

If you're not mongering. Stay out of a mongering spot! These clubs aren't strip clubs. Go elsewhere. Tons of spots. You're going to sit at the stage at a strip club and drink and talk to your friends and not tip the girls? You'll be asked to leave fast. This should be thought of the same way.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;2830718]That is where you are wrong not everyone main objective is the women not everyone is a hardcore monger. Last trip in May I came down with six guys age 26-32 all celebrating different things. Main objective was to enjoy ourselves. We did a lot of tourist activities went to regular clubs picked up regular girls and other female tourists. We also went to the beach and all the mongering clubs, bought bottles nightly. If someone liked a chick they would take them out the club. Our Airbnb was stocked with alcohol and other party favors plus a pool so the girls actually enjoyed partying with us and made money while doing so. Some days some guys didn't feel the need to take anyone either from exhaustion or their balls were already drained from other tourist or girls we met. Bottom line is the main objective was to have fun and mongering is just a nice second option. We've done the same things in Mexico, DR and coming up is Thailand.

As far as the girls working out of the Country it's economics. I've been coming to Colombia since 2018 and a large amount of the girls I know have travelled to work. They can simply make more in Europe, Dubai, and Mexico. One of my favorite medellin girls no longer works in Colombia exclusively Panama and Mexico. As much as you want blame groups of guys for this trend it's simply economic factors.[/QUOTE]You got to stop kidding yourself. Ask yourself this question. If Colombia doesn't have beautiful women are you still going to come?

I'm not talking about economics. I could care less how much a girl charges. That's their biz. It's up to me to decide if I want to pay or not or negotiate.

Simply look at the history of DR and CR. Mde and Ctg are next. Especially Ctg.

I've been going to Colombia longer than you at least 7-8 x a year. I can tell you there's a big difference. But hey I always have my fun regardless. But the groups and guys I'm referring to have clearly influenced a lot on Colombia. To say that they haven't it's absolute ignorance.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2830843]Anddddddddd that's why things are getting ruined for mongering hahahah. You explain it yourself.

Throwing and spending money at a mongering spot is only to get clout. That's it. You want to feel like a big shot and have these girls climb all over.

When are you guys going to learn its business! Yeah these girls may be having fun at the moment. Getting wasted helps even more. But they want their money. They need to pay for that room at the end of the week. They are there to work. Not to get a tan.

Discussing what's happening with friends, it's going to come down to a pimp messing up one of these guys walking around recording. And fucking up a group for not paying. Then things will change. And it's going to happen.

You simply can't argue against it. These groups are terrible for this hobby. Look at the DR.

I really am not going to address the group thing again. Nothing we can do about it. But it's ruining how this hobby was in ctg..[/QUOTE]It's okay to move differently. My aim is to have fun and enjoy myself wherever I go. No one designated Cartagena an official mongering destination last time I checked. If that's ruining mongering for I don't know what to tell you. At the end of the day we meet girls have a good time and pay them. I'm not sure what the pushback is about. Yes YouTubers and travel influencers are bad for business other than that I'm not sure what your issue is.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2830201]TS, the best high end clubs in Colombia are in Medellin, La Isla and Face Dos.

There are higher end clubs in North Bogota but honestly the women in them are not better looking than Santa Fe, so you are paying more and not getting anything better. Santa Fe is sketchy but you can take any girl out of the club or off the street for a lot less than the Northern clubs, and I have never had anything happen to me there. I knew an Asian guy who went every day for months and the only issue he had was when he left his drink unattended and got drugged. The majority of women in Santa Fe are not attractive but usually once a night, I would find an 8 or 9 to jump on.

IMO Bogota is probably the best city in the world for women. The Medellin women tended to all be hooker types IMO. The ones I met in Medellin and liked were always from somewhere else and were just there for school.

I have an apartment with my gal in Cartagena and honestly I have not seen near the lookers here I have in Bogota or Medellin.

The reason to come to Cartagena is the weather and beach. Bogota has pollution, high elevation, and horrible traffic. There are some beauties here but you are going to pay a lot for them and the town is much, much smaller than Bogota..[/QUOTE]"IMO Bogota is probably the best city in the world for women".

I'm guessing you haven't been many places round the world LOL.

I just got back a couple of days ago after a Monday to Friday visit and can provide a few observations:

First, I read about the MIG form here, and in case anyone does a search for the form, be aware that the form is free. I noticed a bunch of "Sponsored" sites that as for payment. They are basically a scam. Make sure you go to the government site and fill out the free version (in English if you prefer). It is very easy.

Second, it was fucking hot. It was fucking hot in the daytime and fucking hot in the nighttime. Fucking hot and fucking humid. I am older and despite lots of water and sunscreen the weather got to me, even though I live in southern Florida. Sweating through three shirts a day and feeling chronically exhausted just didn't put me in a mood to fuck. It seems like the average temperature is about the same all year, but my guess is it is much more tolerable in the dry season when the humidity is low. Before I left the forecast was for lightning storms and rain the whole week. As it turns out there was barely a cloud, but as a result the humidity just hung around the whole week.

Third, those who recommended an Airbnb over a "luxury" hotel were 100% correct. Not only did the hotel have a vigilant visitor policy, but I was issues a bracelet at check-in and had to wear it the whole visit. I had a room for two, and they asked whether my companion was with me, I said no, and the receptionist said something like "well, when you meet her she will have to check in." I chose not to check in a companion. As a result, I ended up with 3 girls, one for multiple visits, in their three shitty hotels.

Fourth, the city is a lot of fun. It is basically a tourist party town, and not even primarily US tourists. At this time of year a lot of South Americans come up for their winter vacation. The guy sitting next to me was half my age and a fluent Spanish-speaker, and we ended up going out on the "party bus", which I thought was a blast, and also doing a day trip to Club Bora Bora, which was very nice and ridiculously stupid to do without a hot date. He had an Airbnb, and ended up bringing several groups back to his place long after I was asleep. I will be using his spot for future visits. He was hitting on a variety of civvies with some success. It is very possible if you have game (speaking Spanish helps).

In terms of the girls, the first was 100 K COP off an ad site with a good local review, but looks were below average. Shitty hotel in the Bosque area, which was interesting. Second was a cute Venezuelan who listed 200 K COP, but who ended up at 300 K with oral natural and multiple pops. Her shitty hotel was in Bocagrande not too far from mine, and I ended up seeing her three times based on convenience, looks, and performance. The third was a clock tower pickup around 9 PM. Hot black Colombian chick with a sweet culona. 200 K quickie, plus 60 K for oral natural, in her shitty hotel which was just far enough away from the crowds that I would have bailed if we turned another corner and I didn't see people. I talked with a couple of other chicas in the clock tower area who quoted 300 K. Overall, my impression is that 300 K ($75/ HR) is the going rate, there are plenty of options at that price, and below that price you have to compromise looks or services. I am sure there are exceptions, but that seems to be where the market is. My Venezuelan quoted me $250 per day, or $200 per day for more than 3 days. I didn't discuss longer dates with any other girls, so that is one data point. In terms of the whole clock tower scene, I don't think I was out past 11 the whole trip (the mind was willing but the body was beat, and sometimes the mind wasn't even that willing). Even so, the first night I was there around 7 before the party bus and there were already a few girls out giving me the look. The last night there were probably a dozen girls within a block by 9 at night.

Overall, as an exploratory visit, it was a success. Busted a sufficient number of nuts at an attractive price, and had a good time otherwise. Loved the food and the whole atmosphere. At the same time I definitely could do better with an Airbnb, good hydration and limited sun exposure, and longer dates in better surroundings. I am not a romantic, but I like at least some amenities. I will definitely also pace myself better, stay in the AC during the day, take a siesta, and head out after 10 at least one night to see the clock tower scene in full bloom. For me it is a cheap flight, and given the deplorable state of the hobby in southern Florida I can do a trip for the price of a couple of hour dates here. It may not be as inexpensive or enjoyable as it used to be, but it is still a great destination as far as I am concerned.

Man you must have some giant steel balls going to all these girls places. Your going to walk into the wrong with a few guys waiting to lighten the load of your bank account and pocket.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2831009]Man you must have some giant steel balls going to all these girls places. Your going to walk into the wrong with a few guys waiting to lighten the load of your bank account and pocket.[/QUOTE]Nah. I know how to do research. The clock tower girl was risky but I made sure we didn't go anywhere where there weren't a number of other people visible, and as it happens I didn't have anything worth taking on me other than what I was paying the girl. The others were reviewed and reported to be safe.

I am headed there the last of July. I usually stay in a hotel and in fact have a reservation at a girl friendly place in Central but would prefer a bigger Airbnb with a kitchen, living room and such. Please PM me with any Airbnbs you recommend that allow guests. Thanks.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2830909]I just got back a couple of days ago after a Monday to Friday visit and can provide a few observations:

First, I read about the MIG form here, and in case anyone does a search for the form, be aware that the form is free. I noticed a bunch of "Sponsored" sites that as for payment. They are basically a scam. Make sure you go to the government site and fill out the free version (in English if you prefer). It is very easy.[/QUOTE]I told this to many people in the WhatsApp groups and other forums and there's always that one "money don't matter to me" or "I'm just going to pay to make it easier" person that comes along and want to argue so I just stop saying anything and let people figure it out even though the website that makes them pay have a disclaimer that says they aren't affiliated.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2830909]Second, it was fucking hot. It was fucking hot in the daytime and fucking hot in the nighttime. Fucking hot and fucking humid. I am older and despite lots of water and sunscreen the weather got to me, even though I live in southern Florida. Sweating through three shirts a day and feeling chronically exhausted just didn't put me in a mood to fuck. It seems like the average temperature is about the same all year, but my guess is it is much more tolerable in the dry season when the humidity is low. Before I left the forecast was for lightning storms and rain the whole week. As it turns out there was barely a cloud, but as a result the humidity just hung around the whole week.[/QUOTE]Yea summer time there don't play. The first time I went there in August I was walking around on the beach no shirt. I had it in my head "I was born in the Caribbean, I'm black, the fuck I need sunscreen for?" Two weeks later I get back state side, my dumb ass is peeling like a potato. I got burned up without even knowing it. That SPF 150 lives in my suitcase now. I learned jajaja.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2830909]Third, those who recommended an Airbnb over a "luxury" hotel were 100% correct. Not only did the hotel have a vigilant visitor policy, but I was issues a bracelet at check-in and had to wear it the whole visit. I had a room for two, and they asked whether my companion was with me, I said no, and the receptionist said something like "well, when you meet her she will have to check in." I chose not to check in a companion. As a result, I ended up with 3 girls, one for multiple visits, in their three shitty hotels. [/QUOTE]Experience is the best teacher, now you know what to do to make your next trip even better.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2830909]Fourth, the city is a lot of fun. It is basically a tourist party town, and not even primarily US tourists. At this time of year a lot of South Americans come up for their winter vacation. The guy sitting next to me was half my age and a fluent Spanish-speaker, and we ended up going out on the "party bus", which I thought was a blast, and also doing a day trip to Club Bora Bora, which was very nice and ridiculously stupid to do without a hot date. He had an Airbnb, and ended up bringing several groups back to his place long after I was asleep. I will be using his spot for future visits. He was hitting on a variety of civvies with some success. It is very possible if you have game (speaking Spanish helps).

In terms of the girls, the first was 100 K COP off an ad site with a good local review, but looks were below average. Shitty hotel in the Bosque area, which was interesting. Second was a cute Venezuelan who listed 200 K COP, but who ended up at 300 K with oral natural and multiple pops. Her shitty hotel was in Bocagrande not too far from mine, and I ended up seeing her three times based on convenience, looks, and performance. The third was a clock tower pickup around 9 PM. Hot black Colombian chick with a sweet culona. 200 K quickie, plus 60 K for oral natural, in her shitty hotel which was just far enough away from the crowds that I would have bailed if we turned another corner and I didn't see people. I talked with a couple of other chicas in the clock tower area who quoted 300 K. Overall, my impression is that 300 K ($75/ HR) is the going rate, there are plenty of options at that price, and below that price you have to compromise looks or services. I am sure there are exceptions, but that seems to be where the market is. My Venezuelan quoted me $250 per day, or $200 per day for more than 3 days. I didn't discuss longer dates with any other girls, so that is one data point. In terms of the whole clock tower scene, I don't think I was out past 11 the whole trip (the mind was willing but the body was beat, and sometimes the mind wasn't even that willing). Even so, the first night I was there around 7 before the party bus and there were already a few girls out giving me the look. The last night there were probably a dozen girls within a block by 9 at night.[/QUOTE]And now you see first hand when people say they only paid "low amount" you got an understanding of why and what they were paying for. Did you do any of the 3 main clubs to see the more in demand females?

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2830909]Overall, as an exploratory visit, it was a success. Busted a sufficient number of nuts at an attractive price, and had a good time otherwise. Loved the food and the whole atmosphere. At the same time I definitely could do better with an Airbnb, good hydration and limited sun exposure, and longer dates in better surroundings. I am not a romantic, but I like at least some amenities. I will definitely also pace myself better, stay in the AC during the day, take a siesta, and head out after 10 at least one night to see the clock tower scene in full bloom. For me it is a cheap flight, and given the deplorable state of the hobby in southern Florida I can do a trip for the price of a couple of hour dates here. It may not be as inexpensive or enjoyable as it used to be, but it is still a great destination as far as I am concerned.[/QUOTE]First trip is always tricky but once you know, you know, and now you know.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2831114]The first time I went there in August I was walking around on the beach no shirt. I had it in my head "I was born in the Caribbean, I'm black, the fuck I need sunscreen for?" Two weeks later I get back state side, my dumb ass is peeling like a potato. I got burned up without even knowing it. That SPF 150 lives in my suitcase now. I learned jajaja.[/QUOTE]Did something happen to us physiologically when we got older or did the atmosphere change? I did not get burned when I was younger but these days it happens very easily. I usually go out into the ocean with a rashguard on now.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2831233]Did something happen to us physiologically when we got older or did the atmosphere change? I did not get burned when I was younger but these days it happens very easily. I usually go out into the ocean with a rashguard on now.[/QUOTE]I'm starting to believe the atmosphere changed because even now when I go back to my home island to visit family I can see the air moving upward like I just opened a hot oven, it was never like this when I was a kid running around the yard bare foot. Now they cracking jokes calling me a Yankee because I'm slapping on sun screen and hardly go out in the day time but I see people darker than me walking around during the daytime with umbrellas over their head.

The sun is no joke around the Equator, its crazy.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2831114]Did you do any of the 3 main clubs to see the more in demand females?[/QUOTE]I was in bed early every night. Just couldn't hang LOL. Next trip I will plan on a siesta in the afternoon and a nap after dinner before going out. I would like to see the scene in all its glory.

I do get a kick out of girls trying to tell me that the normal price is 200 dollars a hour.

I had one girl telling me yesterday a threesome would be 300 dollars each girl or 2 million 400 thousand pesos.

And she assured me I won't find a better price.

I told her baby, this isn't my first trip. It's possibly my 15th. And then nicely told her to get lost.

Some of these girls are dumb as rocks! But just equally so there's a dumbass who saw videos on YouTube and is on his way there to pay that.

My girl who's flying in from Medellin told me yesterday no need to lay over 200 k for any girl during the day. 300, maybe 400 at night if she's a stunner. And this is coming from a stunner that does this work almost full time.

[QUOTE=TheMan31;2830871]"IMO Bogota is probably the best city in the world for women".

I'm guessing you haven't been many places round the world LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheMan31;2668209]As far as the best in the world. Mmmm Have you been to PI, Colombia, Brazil, Dubai? Like I said I have never been to HK but I cannot see it topping some of the clubs I have been too in the past and that is just a few countries that I listed (not all). But I'm sure it will pass my test![/QUOTE]Dubai has imports. If you are into Russian and Ukrainian women, you can find them in Mexico City for a lot less. [URL]https://twitter.com/AlinaRusMex.[/URL] I do prefer my Latinas but I would put Mexico City at #3. They do not have a strip club scene like other cities.

The OP has been to Brazil. I thought Rio was way overrated. Sao Paulo would probably be my #2 city, but it does not have a low end like Bogota does with Santa Fe.

I have not been to PI. I have been to Thailand. Yes, there are scores of women available and IMO they all looked like they were 14. I actually found Indonesian women more attractive, but I did not monger there.

Europe has some attractive women but the prices are out of control. The places where prices are better, England, Spain, and Portugal, I have not mongered in. Typically, though, European women tend to be distant. Argentine women are friendlier but they are the most distant of the Latin American women. There are abundant attractive women but I only met one I thought who was exceptional in and out of the bedroom. Most of the expats in Argentina prefer Paraguayan women.

Bogota has the low end scene with SF street walkers where you can get laid for $10. Only other country I have seen where you can get that good for that little is Paraguay.

Then you have the active middle scene with the strip clubs and escorts.

There is a good friend of mine, fellow ISGer, he tried Medellin and gave it up, said the women were too stuck up. He went to Santa Fe every day and said he never saw higher than an 8. He grades harsher than I do. I would say I saw three 9's in Santa Fe, but he went to a higher end dance club in Bogota and saw 9's and 10's.

It is that part a monger like yourself has not seen, the upper crust. That is where your jaw drops with Colombia. Only countries in South America I have seen 10's are in Colombia and Brazil and IMO the upper crust of Colombia are nicer, more educated, and harder working than Brazil. These Colombians are often open to Americans especially those who do not find Colombian machismo attractive.

Yeah, you go to a high end boite in Brazil and there are gorgeous women to be found. The same is true with Tijuana in Mexico with Hong Kong but go out of the club and you do not see the same lookers. The wild part about Colombia is the city with the least amount of lookers I have been to has been Cartagena. In other cities, my neck goes into spasm checking out the hotties all around.

So yeah, Bogota is #1. They have it all: attractive and cheap street walkers, low level strip clubs and high end ones, casas, a vibrant escort scene, and an upper crust of hotties that will knock your socks off. And best of all if you get one of these Colombian women to really like you, they will literally do anything for you. In his report of distinction, Routard touched on it in the Bogota section. There is nothing like a Colombian woman.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2831442]I do get a kick out of girls trying to tell me that the normal price is 200 dollars a hour.

I had one girl telling me yesterday a threesome would be 300 dollars each girl or 2 million 400 thousand pesos.

And she assured me I won't find a better price.

I told her baby, this isn't my first trip. It's possibly my 15th. And then nicely told her to get lost.

Some of these girls are dumb as rocks! But just equally so there's a dumbass who saw videos on YouTube and is on his way there to pay that.

My girl who's flying in from Medellin told me yesterday no need to lay over 200 k for any girl during the day. 300, maybe 400 at night if she's a stunner. And this is coming from a stunner that does this work almost full time.[/QUOTE]Girls in Cart and Mde that are universally hot ain't taking 200 mil.

I've been going to mde for 6 years and at least 7-8 x a year.

The top tier girls have their targeted clientele.

Dolce Vita and Delirium girls are charging 100 $ usd he 300 $usd tln.

Gustos girls in mde are even asking 300 usd for an hour.

Guys are paying it and that's how with anything in life. My issue is they're asking for more and only willing to do much less.

Any girl who is actually hot knows they're hot with the attention they get and their history of guys paying them a certain amount. That's how it goes for these girls.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2831442]I do get a kick out of girls trying to tell me that the normal price is 200 dollars a hour.

I had one girl telling me yesterday a threesome would be 300 dollars each girl or 2 million 400 thousand pesos.

And she assured me I won't find a better price.

I told her baby, this isn't my first trip. It's possibly my 15th. And then nicely told her to get lost.

Some of these girls are dumb as rocks! But just equally so there's a dumbass who saw videos on YouTube and is on his way there to pay that.

My girl who's flying in from Medellin told me yesterday no need to lay over 200 k for any girl during the day. 300, maybe 400 at night if she's a stunner. And this is coming from a stunner that does this work almost full time.[/QUOTE]I use this reply. I don't think many or any use it but it's funny and gets the point across. In Spanish: eso será cuando la rana heche pelo. It means, that will happen when the frog grows hair.

Who has been to the original dolce vita!? I went when I was young. Before I knew about all this. Was a work convention. Was with a bunch of older guys. I really didn't know what we were at until years later when I figured it all out 🤣. Thought it was just hot easy girls every where 🤣. I was early 20's hahaha. I mean I knew some girls were haha. But not all! Just blew my mind when I realized. And the went back 🤣.

I feel every country / city for this hobby is uniqe. There are comparisons but none are the same. In ctg they are just everywhere. Sitting at El Mulle and two hot girls walk by and proposition you is just a beautiful thing. Even if you choose no they still have a beer and flirt.

Have any of you guys used the City of Love escort site for daytime women. They list mostly from Lacelestina but they have prices and services. Wondering if they are reliable or bait and switch. Also still wondering about a guest friendly Airbnb close to the Tower.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2831448]

So yeah, Bogota is #1. They have it all: attractive and cheap street walkers, low level strip clubs and high end ones, casas, a vibrant escort scene, and an upper crust of hotties that will knock your socks off. And best of all if you get one of these Colombian women to really like you, they will literally do anything for you. In his report of distinction, Routard touched on it in the Bogota section. There is nothing like a Colombian woman.[/QUOTE]Where do you find the upper crust??

Websites for girls 🙄 that was the fun of Cartagena. The hunt. They are everywhere. Yes I use tinder, but that's a hey let's meet for a quicky.

Go find them. Hunt them down at the beach. Walking around. The options are endless.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2831448]

The OP has been to Brazil. I thought Rio was way overrated. Sao Paulo would probably be my #2 city, but it does not have a low end like Bogota does with Santa Fe.

[/QUOTE]Oh it definitely does. You obviously just don't know it.

I don't post about it, cause I don't want it invaded. LOL.

Sooooo ready to be there soon. I've asked before but no feedback. Anyone ever use the Hom or luxury men's spa? Not honestly looking for a quality massage 🤣. More like the idea of getting a tug in the middle of the day and then going to have a nice lunch 🤣.

I'm sure they both offer happy endings or even full service.

I'm ready! This trip will be a mix of taking down a 10 for dinner and fun. To taking a quicky from the beach or wherever I find her. I've got plans my first night with what looks like a 10 to me. Come over. Fuck first. Go for dinner. Drinks. Then fuck some more. She claims I'll be empty after. . I told her I'll see her at space later🤣129315;.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2832535]Sooooo ready to be there soon. I've asked before but no feedback. Anyone ever use the Hom or luxury men's spa? Not honestly looking for a quality massage 🤣. More like the idea of getting a tug in the middle of the day and then going to have a nice lunch 🤣.

I'm sure they both offer happy endings or even full service.

I'm ready! This trip will be a mix of taking down a 10 for dinner and fun. To taking a quicky from the beach or wherever I find her. I've got plans my first night with what looks like a 10 to me. Come over. Fuck first. Go for dinner. Drinks. Then fuck some more. She claims I'll be empty after. . I told her I'll see her at space later🤣129315;.[/QUOTE]Two of my chicas told me recently there's a wave of new ugly girls, that are flooding Centro because they closed a club in Cartagena.

I asked the first chica why is she mad, the new girls are ugly so they can't compete. She says they are asking for little money and undercutting the prettier ones asking for $100.

I asked the second chica the same question. She said they aren't letting those girls into the clubs so they are walking the Clocktower area and gringos see them first before making it into the clubs. So the ugly girls gets picked first. I guess some don't care, a nuts a nut I guess LOL.

I asked them both which club closed and they said it was one outside the walls. I'm guessing it was Chica Linda but I have to compile more boots on the ground info before I can confirm.

Best of luck.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2832724]Two of my chicas told me recently there's a wave of new ugly girls, that are flooding Centro because they closed a club in Cartagena.

I asked the first chica why is she mad, the new girls are ugly so they can't compete. She says they are asking for little money and undercutting the prettier ones asking for $100.[/QUOTE]You should have told them because you know $100 is too damn much anyway. And are the new chicks really ugly or is that jealousy talking?

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2831768]Where do you find the upper crust??[/QUOTE]In the context of what Elvis was posting about (Bogota), the night clubs in North Bogota. Lido's the best known. The hottest women I came across were in Lalo, also known as Porky's, but I believe that one shut down.

Yes chica Linda was closed. That's why an increase of girls in the clock tower. And yeah the girls from Medellin and elsewhere are bitching because these girls know 100 is too much. That's what I posted below my chica was telling me. Sure a girl is going to ask 100. You going to tell someone no you can do the job for less? Negotiate and haggle!

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2832914]Sure a girl is going to ask 100. You going to tell someone no you can do the job for less? Negotiate and haggle![/QUOTE]Unfortunately for them, many guys see this as a romantic interaction instead of the business that it is, and are afraid the hooker would be turned off or they would lose her should they try to negotiate. I am used to rocking the boat with chicks that are not hookers, so I will be damn if I care about swaying it with a chick I am paying.

When you guys pick up girls on the beach where do you take them for action?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2832939]When you guys pick up girls on the beach where do you take them for action?[/QUOTE]I only picked up from around Kiosk #4 when I'm staying in El Laguito and I take them back to my AirBB since its a quick 5 minute walk.

Plametto Sunset and Pamatteo Beach also had good daytime guest policies with the Airbnb's there. That's about 10 minutes walk in that heat.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2832772]You should have told them because you know $100 is too damn much anyway. And are the new chicks really ugly or is that jealousy talking?[/QUOTE]First chica sent me 2 pictures and those girls looked like they just rolled out of bed in a night gown and went to walk the street. It was rough. She ill ask her to send more pictures without the 1 time view restriction whatsapp forced a while back, all the girls using that by default now so you can't keep the pictures.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2832943]She ill ask her to send more pictures without the 1 time view restriction whatsapp forced a while back, all the girls using that by default now so you can't keep the pictures.[/QUOTE]Yeah that is why I always have my tablet ready to take a picture of my phone. That shit don't stop the show.

Will in Cartagena next week and feel free to forward any tips on my way.

Was strongly advised not to visit due to price, current climate, other etc. But why not see it for myself.

After going through few pages, the gameplan is pretty much playa Hollywood beach for daytime and clock tower, Dolce, Space, and Dellium during night time action.

Wanted to know if there is entry charges for these nightclub and what to look out for.

And, any recommdation for touristy staff as read some report on Getsemani as well.

If anyone is around next week, send me the DM.

There it is. Well put from a person who's been around. It's being treated as a romantic fling instead of a business transaction which it is.

They are going to try! Who wouldn't. Had a girl from tinder yesterday tell me 300 dollars. I laughed. I said honey this isn't my first time in Cartagena. I'll give you 300 mil pesos. She told me how she got it before. I said good. They are stupid. They spend money they don't really have and back at home they live they same as you girls in Colombia.

After ignoring her for about a hour she said 300 mil would work, that it's just a negotiation, don't get upset 🤣.

Haggle. Even if they walk away. There are literally 100 more at-least. You see her again a hour later, I bet you she will budge. They are there to workkkkkkkkk not to hang out and party. Bills need to be paid baby!.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2832942]I only picked up from around Kiosk #4 when I'm staying in El Laguito and I take them back to my AirBB since its a quick 5 minute walk.

Plametto Sunset and Pamatteo Beach also had good daytime guest policies with the Airbnb's there. That's about 10 minutes walk in that heat.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this. Picking up chicks at the beach is killing 2 birds with one stone. Relaxing by the sea and banging hot chicas.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2833228]There it is. Well put from a person who's been around. It's being treated as a romantic fling instead of a business transaction which it is.

They are going to try! Who wouldn't. Had a girl from tinder yesterday tell me 300 dollars. I laughed. I said honey this isn't my first time in Cartagena. I'll give you 300 mil pesos. She told me how she got it before. I said good. They are stupid. They spend money they don't really have and back at home they live they same as you girls in Colombia.

After ignoring her for about a hour she said 300 mil would work, that it's just a negotiation, don't get upset 🤣.

Haggle. Even if they walk away. There are literally 100 more at-least. You see her again a hour later, I bet you she will budge. They are there to workkkkkkkkk not to hang out and party. Bills need to be paid baby!.[/QUOTE]I'm always somewhat reluctant to session girls who ask that high a price. If she accepts 1/3 of her asking price I'd be concerned about her performance. Do let us know how your session with that Tinder babe went.

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2833108]Will in Cartagena next week and feel free to forward any tips on my way.

Was strongly advised not to visit due to price, current climate, other etc. But why not see it for myself.

After going through few pages, the gameplan is pretty much playa Hollywood beach for daytime and clock tower, Dolce, Space, and Dellium during night time action.

Wanted to know if there is entry charges for these nightclub and what to look out for.

And, any recommdation for touristy staff as read some report on Getsemani as well.

If anyone is around next week, send me the DM.[/QUOTE]Must Haves for Cartagena.

1. Must have Airbnb you can bring girls back to.

2. Taxi to clubs if you can. Go into clubs, get numbers, get out. Time spent in the clubs is a waste and the clubs really are not that fun because they are usually so packed you can't move and the AC isn't great. Girls will be quick to give you their numbers.

3. Once you have the numbers, invite girls back to your Airbnb. Make sure you vet the girls and chica-proof the room.

This is how Cartagena needs to be done. The more you stroll around Cartagena and hang around the clocktower and the clubs, the more trouble and annoyance you will be asking for.

Guys I'm here now. I don't claim to have game or be Rico suave. No problem getting quality 300 k.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2833325]Guys I'm here now. I don't claim to have game or be Rico suave. No problem getting quality 300 k.[/QUOTE]Remember quality is subjective. Whats good to you may be trash to another. Thats what makes these price paid for what woman extremely vague as most people will say what they are getting but won't show what they are getting and I fully understand who some are reluctant to post pics of the chicas they are getting for these prices.

Sosua have thought me not to post the chicas I'm with and for what price as another gringo or worse a hater can just come along and fuck my shit up just for laughs.

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2833108]Will in Cartagena next week and feel free to forward any tips on my way.

Was strongly advised not to visit due to price, current climate, other etc. But why not see it for myself.

After going through few pages, the gameplan is pretty much playa Hollywood beach for daytime and clock tower, Dolce, Space, and Dellium during night time action.

Wanted to know if there is entry charges for these nightclub and what to look out for.

And, any recommdation for touristy staff as read some report on Getsemani as well.

If anyone is around next week, send me the DM.[/QUOTE]Price can be a factor. I know airfare for me round trip from the east coast is $800 straight flight. The girls, well for me it varies since I have a history with allot of them so it ranges from roundtrip cab fare to 400 K for the night, anything over that and I walk away. If your a newbie they will try and upcharge you.

There is no charge to enter the clubs but, Dolce does randomly pull some bullshit where they don't like to let specific people in unless they buy a bottle / table, but that's if you are looking for girls who are tons of plastic and zero personality just standing around. No cover charge on Space but the girls are a mixture of everything and I do mean everything from big to old to young and slim and if you want to sit then you have to buy the table. I usually stay far away from the door and far from the bar as I like to see who's coming into the club and when they start that nonsense of dancing on the bar wearing ski masks no one can have an oops moment and spill their dink on me, it also helps prevent random people from putting their empty drinks on my table or sitting on my arm rest. Delirium, No cover charge to get in but once you get in, well lets just say if you don't have that hip hop / Rap look then it just going to be awkward as fuck not blending in, and if you're not a smoker that hookah smoke will take you out as that place is too small for all them peoples trying to floss with multiple hookahs at a single table.

As for touristy shit, don't be me. I fell for that big ass ATV advert while standing on the immigration line. Ended up going all the way to Manzanillo for an ATV tour on a dirty ass local beach and a free coconut. The food was terrible at Playa Manzanillo as well, no touts but the stray dogs took their place, just as annoying. As for Getsemani, if you want local and tourist mixture head to Plaza de la Trinidad around 9 pm and hang out there. There is a specific street, Callejand Ancho you can check out, but I would not recommend being there solo looking lost and lonely, bring a chica with you so you can sit, drink and take it all in. I normally stay in an AirBB that's on this street with private pool so the local party is at my doorstep and then I can take it back to the pool with the chicas in 30 seconds. There is also a hostel there so many working girls will be there from time to time before going to Centro, not getting anything from Centro, or after they made enough from Centro. Theres a free walking tour, look for the yellow umbrella, admire the art work and take in the local culture that tell the story of the people and hot they came to be. Local clubs are also there, I only frequent Taboo, I haven't been to the others in a while but it great, they give you seats and leave you alone, just how I like it. I can never stop recommending El Cabildo Gastromar, if your hungry just go there but don't drink the Papaya drink unless you want to be shitting liquid for the next 3 days, I had 2 Papaya drinks one day and I learned to just stick to the lemonado de coco.

If you want a good currency rate exchange head to the Cambrio next to El Bar tico in Getsemeni. There are 3 of them. Check each one, the ones in Centro will give you a little less, just a little.

Also be careful of the girls in Centro, there are some who are under 18 mixed in with the working girls, they look like they are in their 20's but it can jam you up real good with the cops so always check ID.

Ill be there next month for a few weeks.

Enjoy your trip!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2833270]Must Haves for Cartagena.

1. Must have Airbnb you can bring girls back to.

2. Taxi to clubs if you can. Go into clubs, get numbers, get out. Time spent in the clubs is a waste and the clubs really are not that fun because they are usually so packed you can't move and the AC isn't great. Girls will be quick to give you their numbers.

3. Once you have the numbers, invite girls back to your Airbnb. Make sure you vet the girls and chica-proof the room.

This is how Cartagena needs to be done. The more you stroll around Cartagena and hang around the clocktower and the clubs, the more trouble and annoyance you will be asking for.[/QUOTE]This seems to be good advice. I've never been to Cartagena but liking what I read and see about Hollywood beach. So Airbnb near Hollywood beach seems a good plan.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2833503]This seems to be good advice. I've never been to Cartagena but liking what I read and see about Hollywood beach. So Airbnb near Hollywood beach seems a good plan.[/QUOTE]I don't bother with the clubs as they are not my scene.

However, I spent hours at the tower just talking to all the girls and got plenty of numbers. Sometimes I walked around there for quite a long time.

One of my favorite parts about being a monger is that there is no exact way just whatever way works.

Its hard to avoid the Clock tower scene when in Cartagena. I usually go at night by myself and get numbers. Theres alot of corrupt cops, drugs and petty criminals so stay off the radar.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2833270]Must Haves for Cartagena.

1. Must have Airbnb you can bring girls back to.

This is how Cartagena needs to be done. The more you stroll around Cartagena and hang around the clocktower and the clubs, the more trouble and annoyance you will be asking for.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your feedback. Took me days to find visitor friendly Airbnb and will see how it goes.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2833339]
If you want a good currency rate exchange head to the Cambrio next to El Bar tico in Getsemeni. There are 3 of them. Check each one, the ones in Centro will give you a little less, just a little.

Ill be there next month for a few weeks.

Enjoy your trip![/QUOTE]Thanks for your feedback as well. Isn't there ATM available? I use Davivienda exclusively.

I spend most of my trips in the DR (love It). Going to give Carte a run for my money. I have read some of this forum and find it very helpful. The DR room is being over run by guys looking for 20 dollar pussy. I have been impressed by the quality of the reporting and the tenor of the reports. I do have a few questions. Can sex pills be purchased over the counter. I will be going with a friend who has spent time there. I like being a lone wolf but for my 1st trip having a wingman should be a big help. I am a big fan of Sosua but the quality is not what it once was. I will be spending time at the clock tower I think. How would you guys rate the talent as compared to Sosua. In my 60s now and not as particular as I once was.

[QUOTE=OldKool;2834219]I spend most of my trips in the DR (love It). Going to give Carte a run for my money. I have read some of this forum and find it very helpful. The DR room is being over run by guys looking for 20 dollar pussy. I have been impressed by the quality of the reporting and the tenor of the reports. I do have a few questions. Can sex pills be purchased over the counter. I will be going with a friend who has spent time there. I like being a lone wolf but for my 1st trip having a wingman should be a big help. I am a big fan of Sosua but the quality is not what it once was. I will be spending time at the clock tower I think. How would you guys rate the talent as compared to Sosua. In my 60s now and not as particular as I once was.[/QUOTE]Talent is subjective. In my view I find 1 in 20 working girls in Sosua reasonably attractive (most of those attractive fall into 5 to 6 on my imaginary scale). I find 1 in 10 working girls in Cartagena reasonably attractive (most of those attractive fall into 6 to 7 on my imaginary scale). Don't know the answer to the first question, but touts offer pills at the Clock Tower.

[QUOTE=OldKool;2834219] I do have a few questions. Can sex pills be purchased over the counter. [/QUOTE]Yes. Pharmacies sell Viagra, Cialis, etc. Without a prescription. But it is not cheap. Also antibiotics without a prescription. Cheaper sex pills come from India, try Canadian Pharmacy online, but you need a prescription which can be fake and work.

[QUOTE=OldKool;2834219]I spend most of my trips in the DR (love It). Going to give Carte a run for my money. I have read some of this forum and find it very helpful. The DR room is being over run by guys looking for 20 dollar pussy. I have been impressed by the quality of the reporting and the tenor of the reports. I do have a few questions. Can sex pills be purchased over the counter. I will be going with a friend who has spent time there. I like being a lone wolf but for my 1st trip having a wingman should be a big help. I am a big fan of Sosua but the quality is not what it once was. I will be spending time at the clock tower I think. How would you guys rate the talent as compared to Sosua. In my 60s now and not as particular as I once was.[/QUOTE]Yes you can purchase those pills over the counter at the pharmacies. Don't forget to check out the Daytime Action at Hollywood Beach in Bocagrande. IMO the girls in Cartagena are better than the girls in Sosua by sheer numbers, variety, looks and service.

There has been quite a few post on this thread about guys from Sosua coming to Cartagena with ghetto behavior. The consensus was that it's unwelcomed.

[QUOTE=OldKool;2834219]I spend most of my trips in the DR (love It). Going to give Carte a run for my money. I have read some of this forum and find it very helpful. The DR room is being over run by guys looking for 20 dollar pussy. I have been impressed by the quality of the reporting and the tenor of the reports. I do have a few questions. Can sex pills be purchased over the counter. I will be going with a friend who has spent time there. I like being a lone wolf but for my 1st trip having a wingman should be a big help. I am a big fan of Sosua but the quality is not what it once was. I will be spending time at the clock tower I think. How would you guys rate the talent as compared to Sosua. In my 60s now and not as particular as I once was.[/QUOTE]Damn. I hear what you saying about Sosua, when I stopped going them girls was eating way too good so the weight gain was crazy! And I understand what you mean about the fellow mongers there, the constant outdated information they get from the old heads in their glory days make them think the box there is $20 or $40 of you over paying.

As for CTG, I don't even know what to recommend, you're twice my age and I don't touch anything over 25. The last time I went there with someone in their 40's it was such a struggle as they kept looking for older women in their 30's and when we ran into them they look like mother of 5, mad tired like the whole world on their back.

Compared to Sosua the girls are more put together but I don't know if you looking for the hip hop chicks or salsa ones because you will catch quite a few walking around with Yankee Fitteds on just like Sosua and the fake long box braids just like Sosua as that type of culture is slowly making it's way there.

Depending on what you looking for I can suggest something but take note most of the girls currently in my circle are Afro Colombian.

What a great trip!

First off, nothing in that city changes 🤣. Haven't been there in a solid year. Not a single thing has changed.

Clock tower still popping, girls there starting as early as 8. But not good until 10.

Or later. Plenty of girls in the clubs. Yes they try to ask 100 $ or 120. I flat out just say baby I'm in Colombia. I have pesos.

I paid 300 k for most girls. 2 leches. Two girls I gave 400 k they were stunners.

The girl that wanted 300 $ took 300 k and we had an amazing time. She explained to me she has to try. Haha and I agreed with her that she has to try hahah.

Found 2 super sexy girls walking around Laguito and working. They were just everywhere. Took taxi everywhere and had zero issue.

Felt like I was getting asked less to buy shit constantly.

Just negotiate guys. Have fun. I took down 6 different chicas. 2 chicas I saw multiple times. Never paid to hang out. Only for leche. Ha.

I am older so the 30 plus girls have an appeal to me. In the DR you can fine part time working girls trying to get quick cash in that range. I am not expecting GFE in CTG. The tower area will provide excellent sport fucking I am sure. Thanks for the responses big help.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2834384]Damn. I hear what you saying about Sosua, when I stopped going them girls was eating way too good so the weight gain was crazy! And I understand what you mean about the fellow mongers there, the constant outdated information they get from the old heads in their glory days make them think the box there is $20 or $40 of you over paying.

As for CTG, I don't even know what to recommend, you're twice my age and I don't touch anything over 25. The last time I went there with someone in their 40's it was such a struggle as they kept looking for older women in their 30's and when we ran into them they look like mother of 5, mad tired like the whole world on their back.

Compared to Sosua the girls are more put together but I don't know if you looking for the hip hop chicks or salsa ones because you will catch quite a few walking around with Yankee Fitteds on just like Sosua and the fake long box braids just like Sosua as that type of culture is slowly making it's way there.

Depending on what you looking for I can suggest something but take note most of the girls currently in my circle are Afro Colombian.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2834386]What a great trip!

First off, nothing in that city changes 🤣. Haven't been there in a solid year. Not a single thing has changed.

Clock tower still popping, girls there starting as early as 8. But not good until 10.

Or later. Plenty of girls in the clubs. Yes they try to ask 100 $ or 120. I flat out just say baby I'm in Colombia. I have pesos.

I paid 300 k for most girls. 2 leches. Two girls I gave 400 k they were stunners.

The girl that wanted 300 $ took 300 k and we had an amazing time. She explained to me she has to try. Haha and I agreed with her that she has to try hahah.

Found 2 super sexy girls walking around Laguito and working. They were just everywhere. Took taxi everywhere and had zero issue.

Felt like I was getting asked less to buy shit constantly.

Just negotiate guys. Have fun. I took down 6 different chicas. 2 chicas I saw multiple times. Never paid to hang out. Only for leche. Ha.[/QUOTE]Did you see Tony?? Any beach action. Where did you Stay?

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2834223]Yes. Pharmacies sell Viagra, Cialis, etc. Without a prescription. But it is not cheap.[/QUOTE]That is why you get generic. It is cheap. I was in a pharmacy in Santa Marta and the pharmacist said Durax was buy one box get one free. It was nowhere near the price on this ad. It was like $25 for a box of 28 plus a free box of 28. I sell them for $10 each so I made a nice profit.

[QUOTE=OldKool;2834219]I spend most of my trips in the DR (love It). Going to give Carte a run for my money. I am a big fan of Sosua but the quality is not what it once was. How would you guys rate the talent as compared to Sosua. [/QUOTE]All these years me and Old Kool have been arguing back and forth; me saying how Sosua has gone way down hill and him saying it is the best thing since sliced bread. I have always said that you believe that because you have not been other places and you did not see how Sosua was before you started going. Now seems he is getting the picture saying the quality is not what it once was. If he had seen the quality and prices when I started going then he would have left that place alone a long time ago.

That said, my first time to Cartagena I was amazed at how much more expensive the place is in comparison to the rest of the country. That is for girls, accommodation, and anything else. Not to mention all the sharks out for blood from tourists.

This is the place I stay in in Bogota for $30/ night with free breakfast. My first time in Cartagena I was staying in some rinky dink hotel with old classroom furniture for $80.

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2834060]Thanks for your feedback. Took me days to find visitor friendly Airbnb and will see how it goes.

Thanks for your feedback as well. Isn't there ATM available? I use Davivienda exclusively.[/QUOTE]I don't really use the ATMs but if that's the Green one I think one is in El Laguito in the open area. Rzrfl69 Is currently in CTG so maybe they can confirm if that ATM is still there and if it's the green one.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/Hx4zP3T77waMJYPU9?g_st=ic[/URL]

I know there is the ScoitaBank ATM (red one or was it gray?) in the bank by the bus stop next to the multi level xito in centro as well.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/JYRcQa9McouHkoZf7?g_st=ic[/URL]

How much does Cialis cost there?

Does anyone know if Pley club is closed or not since getting mixed information while searching.

And, El Paraiso is considered high end club??

I was in Sosua back in the day and it was awesome. It is still very good. It is affordable and easy to move around. I am sure I will enjoy Colombia but the ease of moving in Sosua will be hard to match. True the women may be more attractive but a nut is a nut. I have no problem finding women who meet my requirements in Sosua. I have heard great things about Colombia and will give it a try.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2834442]All these years me and Old Kool have been arguing back and forth; me saying how Sosua has gone way down hill and him saying it is the best thing since sliced bread. I have always said that you believe that because you have not been other places and you did not see how Sosua was before you started going. Now seems he is getting the picture saying the quality is not what it once was. If he had seen the quality and prices when I started going then he would have left that place alone a long time ago.

That said, my first time to Cartagena I was amazed at how much more expensive the place is in comparison to the rest of the country. That is for girls, accommodation, and anything else. Not to mention all the sharks out for blood from tourists.

This is the place I stay in in Bogota for $30/ night with free breakfast. My first time in Cartagena I was staying in some rinky dink hotel with old classroom furniture for $80.[/QUOTE]

I used the ATM right in front of the Hilton. Was red I think.

If you're staying in a hotel, not an airbnb, where do you guys bang the hot chicas?

Here are some hotels I know to be guest friendly without trying to charge a price. This is current as of March my list trip. In El Centro, you have Soy Loca, Casa Noir, Ethnic Thematic, and Hotel El Viarejo. In Boccagrade you have Oz Hotel, Oz Luxury Hotel, and Hotel Blue Concept. I personally recommend the Oz Hotel it comes with complimentary breakfast.

[QUOTE=Goped28;2836409]Here are some hotels I know to be guest friendly without trying to charge a price. This is current as of March my list trip. In El Centro, you have Soy Loca, Casa Noir, Ethnic Thematic, and Hotel El Viarejo. In Boccagrade you have Oz Hotel, Oz Luxury Hotel, and Hotel Blue Concept. I personally recommend the Oz Hotel it comes with complimentary breakfast.[/QUOTE]I'm wondering about the Oz Luxury hotel. In this video it is described as the best hotel for families in Cartagena. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW9GImjj_KY[/URL].

[QUOTE=Turgid;2836783]I'm wondering about the Oz Luxury hotel. In this video it is described as the best hotel for families in Cartagena. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW9GImjj_KY[/URL].[/QUOTE]I myself have not stayed at the Luxury but I know from other mongers that its guest friendly. I will say that Oz is an odd mix of mongers and people on vacation. Its pretty funny when you bring a pro in to sign in and a family checking in right behind you.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2831448]Dubai has imports. If you are into Russian and Ukrainian women, you can find them in Mexico City for a lot less. [URL]https://twitter.com/AlinaRusMex.[/URL]
The OP has been to Brazil. I thought Rio was way overrated. Sao Paulo would probably be my #2 city, but it does not have a low end like Bogota does with Santa Fe.

.[/QUOTE]Sao Paulo has low end very low end, than goes mid range to very high end.

You just don't know where to look. They got cheap street walkers all over the clubbing area hot spots including Pinheiros to Liberdade. I went out clubbing with civvies down there. The street walkers were everywhere on Friday and Saturday. They got low end casas like Tangara and the freelancer escort sites like Photoacompanhantes hot freelancers charge only 120 BRL in house.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2829446]So, we have to ask ourselves how the hell does 5 guys all get drugged at the same time. People think, strength in numbers, wolf pack, the whole team roll as one. Well these girls already knew what time it was. Every Fathers Day or Juneteenth weekend these girls are ready. Everyone is going to get Papaya 4th July weekend since it falls on a Tuesday.

This was Monday.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/CtuHHAzA8Nm/?hl=en[/URL][/QUOTE]You got to be fuckin stupid to get scoped, much less with 4 of your buddies. Smh.

[QUOTE=TummySangs;2829427]If I am looking for high end clubs like Scandallo but don't want to go to SP all the way from US- which one of these 2 cities is a better option? Santa Fe in Bogota seems to be too much of low end SW scene. Never been but just from reading all the posts.

Any info or opinions would be great.

Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]Pre pandemic La Isla had stunners that could compete with Scandallo. Those days are long gone and a distant memory. Just temper your expectations. I've been mongering in Colombia since 2014 and now go mostly to Sao Paulo and Rio. Occasionally hit up Medellin and Cartagena.

I'm in Bogota right now and thinking of visiting Cartagena on Monday and Tuesday. Not having any luck finding guest friendly Airbnb's. Any recommendations?

[QUOTE=OldSchool318;2828814]I want to love this place because of course the ladies on the beach.

Absolutely cannot stand the touts, but for the ladies I can stomach it.

Except. Every time I have gone to Hollywood I have not found the selection to be that great. I expected each time for some reason that there would be super ladies in hot thongs and mostly I have only seen 5 and 6's and I am not picky at all, I have seen Tony, s book but I don't want the touts working for me. For me my favorite part of mongering is the hunt.

I have fucked off this beach before and I never paid more than 200 k with tips and actually had good experiences but I feel like the quality is so so.

Am I wrong? Have why'all found some mega hotties? Maybe I just showed up on the wrong days but I have been quite a few different days.[/QUOTE]I had girls tell me they know they can find clients on the beach, but they don't go cause they don't want to get dark. Now this was normally the white chicas or light chicas. I had one chica tell me she's allergic to so much sun that you'd find at the beach. But not many like the beach. Some told me they like to show up close to closing time and catch the guys on the way out. And some just go to the restaurants around El Laguito to catch someone's eye while at the restaurant there.

Currently in CTG now; I come here twice a year for the last 8 years, but I think I'm done. I've never seen so many stuck up, entitled, overcharging working girls in my life ever here in Colombia. In my 3 nights here, I must have approached 15 girls between space and LDV and the alleys. I requested 3 hours, party with drinks penthouse jacuzzi, etc, and 2 leches. Literally EVERY SINGLE ONE, started with 300 or 350 USD! Not one girl starts in pesos. Like wtf LOL- even girls who I known for years have raised their prices 50% and also talk in dollars which never used to happen, I think the working girls unionized. Out of my friends desperation, one working girl turned down $500 for all night and all day the next day for boat day (not even the second night) - she needed 700 USD lmfao-.

Smh Brazil it is, now it's similar cost wise, but 10 X nicer girls and better service. Peace out CTG, it's been real.

[QUOTE=AcesOnTheRiver;2840294]Currently in CTG now; I come here twice a year for the last 8 years, but I think I'm done. I've never seen so many stuck up, entitled, overcharging working girls in my life ever here in Colombia. [/QUOTE]Funny that it has taken you 16 trips in 8 years to realize what I first saw there on trip 1 maybe 10 years or so ago.

Its my first time in Colombia, and I had a bit of a noob question. Is there an escort agency, or a specific quality casa that I can go to? I'm happy to pay a bit of a premium for the right girl, but hoping for a safe / low friction experience! Would rather not go to the clubs to find someone.

[QUOTE=AcesOnTheRiver;2840294]Currently in CTG now; I come here twice a year for the last 8 years, but I think I'm done. I've never seen so many stuck up, entitled, overcharging working girls in my life ever here in Colombia. In my 3 nights here, I must have approached 15 girls between space and LDV and the alleys. I requested 3 hours, party with drinks penthouse jacuzzi, etc, and 2 leches. Literally EVERY SINGLE ONE, started with 300 or 350 USD! Not one girl starts in pesos. Like wtf LOL- even girls who I known for years have raised their prices 50% and also talk in dollars which never used to happen, I think the working girls unionized. Out of my friends desperation, one working girl turned down $500 for all night and all day the next day for boat day (not even the second night) - she needed 700 USD lmfao-.

Smh Brazil it is, now it's similar cost wise, but 10 X nicer girls and better service. Peace out CTG, it's been real.[/QUOTE]Update: today, I approached a girl in LDV who i had my eye on for like 10-15 min, literally said "hola bebe tu quieres bebir" (I'm not sure that's correct spanish, but whatever). She literally replied to my question with: "baby, I charge 180 per hour" LMFAOOOOOOOOOO, legit getting over this place jajajajja- I don't know what it is! I weigh 175,5'10" and come freshly showered in pants and a polo every single night hahaha. Assuming it can't be me, just some crazy ass chicks man smh.
Also, never seen the streets or clubs so empty after 2 am compared to my previous visits, granted it is a Tuesday, but still- same story yesterday. Advice:
close your deal by 1:00 am if you can…it’s not like before for sure

[QUOTE=AcesOnTheRiver;2840294]I come here twice a year for the last 8 years, but I think I'm done. I've never seen so many stuck up, entitled, overcharging working girls in my life ever here in Colombia.[/QUOTE]It took you 16 trips to learn what I realized my first time in Cartagena about 10 years ago.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2840454]It took you 16 trips to learn what I realized my first time in Cartagena about 10 years ago.[/QUOTE]Yea true, but 2015 was my first time overall. And in comparison to other places I visited, cancun, Cuba, DR, Puerto Rico, panama, Costa Rica, for me, Colombia was always king on its own level, incomparable to those other spots. Until I visited Brazil last year. But now I'm woke LOL. need to try SEA finally i guess

[QUOTE=AcesOnTheRiver;2840479]And in comparison to other places I visited, cancun, Cuba, DR, Puerto Rico, panama, Costa Rica, for me, Colombia was always king on its own level, incomparable to those other spots.[/QUOTE]I had been to many other Colombian cities before going to Cartagena, so when I got there I was like WTF. Why is this place so much more expensive than the rest of Colombia? Even my first time in San Andres I was expecting it to be as or more expensive than Cartagena being that it is an island. I was surprised that it was actually way cheaper. I am in Leticia right now and I think this is the cheapest place I have been to in Colombia. Yesterday me and my girl had a fish combo for 10,000 each that normally goes for 35,000 in Bogota. See you in Thailand! I have been paying freelancers from the discos $30 for the night for the past 14 years.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL-6DLpJL_U&t[/URL]

A quick video but it shows just how fast it can happen when gringos aren't paying attention. All it took was for him to turn his head to watch the live stream and the girl got him. If it wasn't for his viewers watching to warn him what happened, it would have been another story of a gringo getting drugged and robbed.

I keep telling people that you don't need to go on Tinder to get drugged and robbed. A target is a target no matter how the interaction came to be like this one meeting them in Getsemeni.

Use the video as a precaution.

Gentlemen! Does anyone know of any guest friendly buildings in manga? Thanks!

I caught that video this morning on YouTube while cruising for entertainment. The most remarkable thing was this hustle occurred in Getesamani, a place I don't normally associate with this kind of activity. As the commentator noted, don't get enticed into 3 somes there as you put yourself at even greater risk. These girls were skanks though unsure of their country of origin. Anyone know? It was interesting to watch the one girl give the eye to the other while she dropped a Micky into his beer.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2842020][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL-6DLpJL_U&t[/URL]

A quick video but it shows just how fast it can happen when gringos aren't paying attention. All it took was for him to turn his head to watch the live stream and the girl got him. If it wasn't for his viewers watching to warn him what happened, it would have been another story of a gringo getting drugged and robbed.

I keep telling people that you don't need to go on Tinder to get drugged and robbed. A target is a target no matter how the interaction came to be like this one meeting them in Getsemeni.

Use the video as a precaution.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BrotherP;2842189]Gentlemen! Does anyone know of any guest friendly buildings in manga? Thanks![/QUOTE]The AirBnBs you see in Manga will not usually have a doorman, except for high rises. I lived there until July.

Cartagena is a pure monger spot now. After COVID, it is quickly becoming an alternative to Mexico and the Dominican Republic. Heck even Panama just a short hop away. Getting GFE from the working girls is neigh on impossible at this point, which makes short trips purely transactional.

But the non working girls? Absolutely wonderful. While living there, I hired a 19 year old student to cook my meals for me. This quickly translated into being my girlfriend, and she was absolutely lovely. I went on a few dates with one of the cashiers at the Bath & Bodyworks in the mall, and a few more with a waitress in a restaurant downtown. Absolutely wonderful experience. Kisses, holding hands, and as much BBFS as I could handle. I even ended up smashing the nice lady (30 why. O) who cleaned my apartment every week.

Cartagena is a terrific place for long stays. I returned to the states for work, but will be back for a few years next summer. Cannot wait.

Is there a full list of all the clubs of working girls in cartagena that I can get?

Does anyone have a full list of clubs in Cartagena? And the standard rates?

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2843157]But the non working girls? Absolutely wonderful. While living there, I hired a 19 year old student to cook my meals for me. This quickly translated into being my girlfriend, and she was absolutely lovely. I went on a few dates with one of the cashiers at the Bath & Bodyworks in the mall, and a few more with a waitress in a restaurant downtown. Absolutely wonderful experience. Kisses, holding hands, and as much BBFS as I could handle. I even ended up smashing the nice lady (30 why. O) who cleaned my apartment every week.
[/QUOTE]Nice but what did all that cost?

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2843157]....... While living there, I hired a 19 year old student to cook my meals for me. This quickly translated into being my girlfriend, and she was absolutely lovely......[/QUOTE]How did you get on to her? How much did she cost? Was she a good cook?

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2843275]Nice but what did all that cost?[/QUOTE]I didn't pay for sex with any of those girls. They were basically girlfriends. In any case, the dinners I paid for or the short ice cream dates cost way less than a working girl. Just get out of your comfort zone and chat them up where you see them. They like foreigners. And I'm not even white.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2843301]How did you get on to her? How much did she cost? Was she a good cook?[/QUOTE]She was a decent cook for a girl who didn't have any training. I was originally paying her 750 k per month to come to my apartment and cook for me. I met her through the woman who owns the apartment I was renting. From hearing her talk, a lot of young girls at her university are doing the part time work thing. I'the ask the owner of the AirBnB or the lady they pay to clean your apartment or the doorman if you have one.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2843384]I didn't pay for sex with any of those girls. They were basically girlfriends. In any case, the dinners I paid for or the short ice cream dates cost way less than a working girl. Just get out of your comfort zone and chat them up where you see them. They like foreigners. And I'm not even white.[/QUOTE]Very nice indeed then. Just for context, what's your Espanol level and the approx age bracket (if you don't mind).

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2843423]Very nice indeed then. Just for context, what's your Espanol level and the approx age bracket (if you don't mind).[/QUOTE]Early 30's and near fluent. Learning Spanish opens up so much for you here on the long stays.

I know cartagena has the regular clubs in the city center. But do they have any swingers clubs in the center? Or any Lesbian or gay bars in the center?

It's been about a year since I went but I figured ID help some people out. I had a burner and had to delete everything for safety so I'm really sorry that this can't be more helpful.

So I got tinder to try and help my weekend trip. I was only there for 2 nights due to some conflicting personal schedules so I had to make the best use of my time there. Seems like all the girls on tinder are working so a couple weeks before I started to find their information ask for insta or what's app and continue conversations there. I always kept trying to find the best looking girls and even asked them for their friends pictures and they were all happy to do so. I had a couple of girls saved and this is out of about 20 girls I talked to and maybe pics of 40 different girls.

This was my plan. Thursday morning, fly in early get 1 pop in. Thursday night try to get 1 or 2 pops that night at dolce. Friday try to muster another one out in the morning and then maybe Friday night another round at a club. Then Saturday morning a massage / pop or a prepago pop before I fly out. Yeah that was a little too greedy on my part but here's what actually happend.

Thursday I arrive and we used tour guides to help set up a lot of stuff. They were able to get us connected with a high end escort agency (he mentioned its more like a private facebook group that only friends can be invited too? But you basically get a catalog of high end escorts) 3 of my friends and we all picked our escorts before we landed. Then the tour guide person told us they werent available and resent us more options. We all picked one and when they arrived I had basically a porn star looking model who was from argentia, friend1 had a cuter slim chick with younger look and the friend2 picked out a girl who turned out to be a huge chunky porker. He did not approve of her, paid for her taxi back and they were ok sending him another girl.

We got to dance a little bit while friend2 was alone and headed to my room after some drinks and pool time. Well I didn't sleep well the night of the flight and of course with probably the hottest chick I've ever been with I couldn't get up. She didn't allow any kissing no DATY either. She offered different positions but eventually I just finished with a he on her chest. Jesus christ did I just spend $200 usd for one pop on a HJ with this girl? GAH whatever, long weekend I brush it off. Friend 2 is still waiting for his but because of the rainy season the downpour stalls his girl coming by almost 2 hours. Me and friend1 pass out for a long nap and friend2 eventually says his girl was pretty but service was just ok. OK lesson learned. Whatever.

We have dinner then head to dolce around 10 pm. This place is freaking amazing. This is our first time out of country hobbying but this place is packed. The doormen says we can go in if we get a table and a bottle. We all feel like being ripped off and they think were not getting a bottle and try to escort us back outside into the line. That makes us get cold feet and we end up just getting a bottle for the table. Girls are just everywhere and its honestly the worst idea getting a table cause you're just stuck in one spot. We all take turns going around the club to check out more girls so the other 2 can guard our drinks. There are 8/10 and 9/10 everywhere. We all snag some amazing girls but my girl is maybe 7/10 with a lovely attitude and very touchy feely. She keeps asking if I want to take her back and I'm being fickle and she can tell. I'm always fickle. I find another small girl with a huge top that's a 8/10 look whos interested but she immediately quotes me $150 USD. And since I did my research I say no way. The first girl says 120 k COP is fine for one pop. She's getting pretty upset with me because I'm dancing with her but talking to and checking out other girls. Its getting a bit later and we all decide to go with our initial choices. As I'm leaving a stunner walks in. I IMMEDIATLY grab her number. Friend1 and friend2 tell me my initial girl is PISSED cause I'm doing it right in front of her LOL. We go back to airbnb and my girl immediately wants to go to my room to get paid. She says don't tell the other girls how much I paid her which I thought was really odd.

Party, pool initimate dancing. My girl keeps her shirt on which was weird to me but whatever she's still cute. I end up going back to the room and realize she mustve just had a baby or something. Flabby pancake top and sort of a belly but I just do the deed and this time I can actually get up (hooray) . I go downstairs and hang out a bit and tell her she can go since I'm excited to message the stunner I saw at the bar. I immediately message the stunner and she's on her way over in an hour. Friend1 and friend 2 come down and tell me how much they paid. They both paide 150 USD. Damn. I told them to negotiate in COP but they mutve forgotten. And then I realize all the girls in the car unionized and said were going to be firm on 150 USD. Which is why that first girl mustve told me not to tell them. I made sure to negotiate in the club before I left. My friends try to haggle AFTER the fact and they realize its a losing game.

Its getting late so ill write up part 2 later.

Stayed at the same Airbnb on Calle 9 from my last trip. No issue with bringing girls back at any hour. Just had to make sure they had ID for the security desk at the entrance. It's a bit of a walk from Playa Hollywood so if you don't like to work up a sweat walking back and forth stay closer to Calle 4.

Playa Hollywood during the daytime. Girls were asking for 250 k to 400 k for 1 hour. 4 pm had the most girls. 2 pm if you want dibs on the girl of your choice.

Torre del reloj at night. Girls start hanging around the plaza at 10 pm up to at least 2 am. I was usually on my way to bed by 2 am so not sure if the action went on later. 12 am has the most girls in the plaza, clubs and outside the clubs. Girls outside the clubs and in the plaza were asking for 250 k to 500 k for 1 hour. Lots of cops in the plaza and near the clubs so it was very safe up to around 1 am. Uber was super cheap. Otherwise taxis were 10 k to 20 k.

At the end of the street by DV there's a bakery and you can sit there and watch the girls snack or arrive in taxis for DV all night long. If you want first dibs on the girls before they go into the clubs, that's a good spot to catch them when they get dropped off by the taxis. Inferno / Imperium is also a quiet club with strong AC if you want a less crowded club. The girls from the plaza like to go in there for the AC and bathroom too.

Davieneda ATMs in Bocagrande worked fine and gave out 1. 8 M at a time with no fee. Make sure to say no to the conversion.

I had no problem finding light skinned skinny blonde 20 yos and tanned curvy brunettes. Picked up 10 Venezuelans. 5 locals and 5 paisas. Called a few girls on Whatsapp for 200 k to 300 k but their photos were heavily edited. Playa Hollywood and the Plaza worked best for me. Cartagena is still fun and relatively cheap. Lots of girls in lots of venues and new girls arrive daily.

Any idea what club this is in Cartagena?

[QUOTE=Trinimoses;2846446]Any idea what club this is in Cartagena?[/QUOTE]Why do you think it's in Cartagena? Looks like it's in Venezuela.

[QUOTE=Questner;2846497]Why do you think it's in Cartagena? Looks like it's in Venezuela.[/QUOTE]I just thought it was a club with venezuelan flag in the back. I could be wrong.

[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2844945]It's been about a year since I went but I figured ID help some people out. I had a burner and had to delete everything for safety so I'm really sorry that this can't be more helpful.

So I got tinder to try and help my weekend trip. I was only there for 2 nights due to some conflicting personal schedules so I had to make the best use of my time there. Seems like all the girls on tinder are working so a couple weeks before I started to find their information ask for insta or what's app and continue conversations there. I always kept trying to find the best looking girls and even asked them for their friends pictures and they were all happy to do so. I had a couple of girls saved and this is out of about 20 girls I talked to and maybe pics of 40 different girls.

This was my plan. Thursday morning, fly in early get 1 pop in. Thursday night try to get 1 or 2 pops that night at dolce. Friday try to muster another one out in the morning and then maybe Friday night another round at a club. Then Saturday morning a massage / pop or a prepago pop before I fly out. Yeah that was a little too greedy on my part but here's what actually happend.

Thursday I arrive and we used tour guides to help set up a lot of stuff. They were able to get us connected with a high end escort agency (he mentioned its more like a private facebook group that only friends can be invited too? But you basically get a catalog of high end escorts) 3 of my friends and we all picked our escorts before we landed. Then the tour guide person told us they werent available and resent us more options. We all picked one and when they arrived I had basically a porn star looking model who was from argentia, friend1 had a cuter slim chick with younger look and the friend2 picked out a girl who turned out to be a huge chunky porker. He did not approve of her, paid for her taxi back and they were ok sending him another girl.

We got to dance a little bit while friend2 was alone and headed to my room after some drinks and pool time. Well I didn't sleep well the night of the flight and of course with probably the hottest chick I've ever been with I couldn't get up. She didn't allow any kissing no DATY either. She offered different positions but eventually I just finished with a he on her chest. Jesus christ did I just spend $200 usd for one pop on a HJ with this girl? GAH whatever, long weekend I brush it off. Friend 2 is still waiting for his but because of the rainy season the downpour stalls his girl coming by almost 2 hours. Me and friend1 pass out for a long nap and friend2 eventually says his girl was pretty but service was just ok. OK lesson learned. Whatever.

We have dinner then head to dolce around 10 pm. This place is freaking amazing. This is our first time out of country hobbying but this place is packed. The doormen says we can go in if we get a table and a bottle. We all feel like being ripped off and they think were not getting a bottle and try to escort us back outside into the line. That makes us get cold feet and we end up just getting a bottle for the table. Girls are just everywhere and its honestly the worst idea getting a table cause you're just stuck in one spot. We all take turns going around the club to check out more girls so the other 2 can guard our drinks. There are 8/10 and 9/10 everywhere. We all snag some amazing girls but my girl is maybe 7/10 with a lovely attitude and very touchy feely. She keeps asking if I want to take her back and I'm being fickle and she can tell. I'm always fickle. I find another small girl with a huge top that's a 8/10 look whos interested but she immediately quotes me $150 USD. And since I did my research I say no way. The first girl says 120 k COP is fine for one pop. She's getting pretty upset with me because I'm dancing with her but talking to and checking out other girls. Its getting a bit later and we all decide to go with our initial choices. As I'm leaving a stunner walks in. I IMMEDIATLY grab her number. Friend1 and friend2 tell me my initial girl is PISSED cause I'm doing it right in front of her LOL. We go back to airbnb and my girl immediately wants to go to my room to get paid. She says don't tell the other girls how much I paid her which I thought was really odd.

Party, pool initimate dancing. My girl keeps her shirt on which was weird to me but whatever she's still cute. I end up going back to the room and realize she mustve just had a baby or something. Flabby pancake top and sort of a belly but I just do the deed and this time I can actually get up (hooray) . I go downstairs and hang out a bit and tell her she can go since I'm excited to message the stunner I saw at the bar. I immediately message the stunner and she's on her way over in an hour. Friend1 and friend 2 come down and tell me how much they paid. They both paide 150 USD. Damn. I told them to negotiate in COP but they mutve forgotten. And then I realize all the girls in the car unionized and said were going to be firm on 150 USD. Which is why that first girl mustve told me not to tell them. I made sure to negotiate in the club before I left. My friends try to haggle AFTER the fact and they realize its a losing game.

Its getting late so ill write up part 2 later.[/QUOTE]Am I understanding this correctly? This report is from 2022? As in over 6 months ago?

[QUOTE=Trinimoses;2846446]Any idea what club this is in Cartagena?[/QUOTE]So someone is supposed to find this club how? The wallpaper? The giant fake tits? The angle of the light?

[QUOTE=Trinimoses;2846446]Any idea what club this is in Cartagena?[/QUOTE]We definitely need to know in order to avoid those chicks at all costs.

[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2844945]It's been about a year since I went but I figured ID help some people out. I had a burner and had to delete everything for safety so I'm really sorry that this can't be more helpful.

.... There are 8/10 and 9/10 everywhere. We all snag some amazing girls but my girl is maybe 7/10 with a lovely attitude and very touchy feely. She keeps asking if I want to take her back and I'm being fickle and she can tell. I'm always fickle. I find another small girl with a huge top that's a 8/10 look whos interested but she immediately quotes me $150 USD. And since I did my research I say no way. The first girl says 120 k COP is fine for one pop....

Party, pool initimate dancing. My girl keeps her shirt on which was weird to me but whatever she's still cute. I end up going back to the room and realize she mustve just had a baby or something. Flabby pancake top and sort of a belly but I just do the deed and this time I can actually get up (hooray) ......Friend1 and friend 2 come down and tell me how much they paid. They both paide 150 USD. Damn. I told them to negotiate in COP but they mutve forgotten. And then I realize all the girls in the car unionized and said were going to be firm on 150 USD. Which is why that first girl mustve told me not to tell them. I made sure to negotiate in the club before I left. My friends try to haggle AFTER the fact and they realize its a losing game.....

Its getting late so ill write up part 2 later.[/QUOTE]You only paid 120 k COP (ie $25-$30) in Cartagena! My props. That's the lowest I've heard in some time!

Just saw a flyer posted by a chica that Sept 8th will be Hip Hop night in Space. Passing on the info cause like people I don't want to be in there for American music all night. I hope they're not trying to be Delirium Cloned.

[QUOTE=HumpyDumpty11;2846958]Just saw a flyer posted by a chica that Sept 8th will be Hip Hop night in Space. Passing on the info cause like people I don't want to be in there for American music all night. I hope they're not trying to be Delirium Cloned.[/QUOTE]It's too late for that.

Last time I was there the had the same stupid shit of 3 hired dancers dancing like they are in a music video on top of the bar in Space. The same stupid shit that happens in Delirium where they dancing on the bar in Ski masks. And I saw the same stupid shit in Dolce. Dolce was even worse because they made a makeshift stage on the opposite wall of the bar and have girls dancing up there and on the bar at the same time like every hour.

Good look to everyone.

I took my ass to Santa Martha.

I have not seen a single pair of Jordan's, all white Airforce 1, no Yankee fittits, no wife beaters, nobody that looks like they from my block!

My girl and I are enjoying our time here before returning to Cartagena.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2846893]You only paid 120 k COP (ie $25-$30) in Cartagena! My props. That's the lowest I've heard in some time![/QUOTE]My girl have showed me the 120 kCOP chicas in Cartagena. But some people have zero issues sleeping in the Motel 6 or Super 8 so to each their own.

Hello,

Wanted to get anyone's opinion on what the experience has been. I recently took a trip to Sosua DR a couple weeks ago and had an amazing time. But while I was there multiple guys I talked to said that I should check out Colombia and Cartagena / Medellin. If any of you guys have been to Sosua and Colombia can you let me know which one you liked better. I know Cartagena and Medellin are big cities and Sosua is a small beach town but I would still like to know which you guys like more. I would be traveling solo as well if I were to go.

I know about the Viajero central. I have their apartment reserved by it would be nice to have a hotel or airbnb with hot water. Been here a few times but getting older and hot water would be nice. So girl friendly inside the walls. Please PM me with any good places.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=DablackPicasso;2847622]Hello,

Wanted to get anyone's opinion on what the experience has been. I recently took a trip to Sosua DR a couple weeks ago and had an amazing time. But while I was there multiple guys I talked to said that I should check out Colombia and Cartagena / Medellin. If any of you guys have been to Sosua and Colombia can you let me know which one you liked better. I know Cartagena and Medellin are big cities and Sosua is a small beach town but I would still like to know which you guys like more. I would be traveling solo as well if I were to go.[/QUOTE]Colombia hands down.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2847690]I know about the Viajero central. I have their apartment reserved by it would be nice to have a hotel or airbnb with hot water. Been here a few times but getting older and hot water would be nice. So girl friendly inside the walls. Please PM me with any good places.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hot water is fairly rare outside of hotels in Cartagena. It's just so hot during the day that a cold shower is preferred.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2847690]I know about the Viajero central. I have their apartment reserved by it would be nice to have a hotel or airbnb with hot water. Been here a few times but getting older and hot water would be nice. So girl friendly inside the walls. Please PM me with any good places.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I knew a bunch of places inside the walls and outside with hot water (next to Mall Plaza, boca grande, Getsemeni, el Laguito) but, as I've learned the hard way, some information must be kept to myself. I gave an entire list of places I've stayed on forums and WhatsApp groups trying to help the next person, no security or guest friendly, jacuzzi, hot water, private, washer / dryer, rooftop, etc. I even stayed at one in Getsemeni that had toilet seat bidets, perfect after eating those burgers by Plaza la Trinidad. Then slowly one by one their rules started changing about only those on the reservation are allowed in the apartment or the reservation will be immediately canceled, no refund with $$$ penalty and all guests must leave. If cops are called for any reason, neighbor complain, etc they kick everyone out the house / apartment and the most fucked up part is that they won't list those things on the listing, they will send it to the person the day before they check in, a shit ton of additional rules that were never mentioned blindsiding the person.

I only have a few left but these are not really solo places unless you do something similar to what I do, put all your stuff in 1 bedroom and do your business in the other bedroom.

Also how much you're willing to spend per night?

I still know of 4 in Getsemeni all by the same owner and they are cool with guests.

[QUOTE=DablackPicasso;2847622]Hello,

Wanted to get anyone's opinion on what the experience has been. I recently took a trip to Sosua DR a couple weeks ago and had an amazing time. But while I was there multiple guys I talked to said that I should check out Colombia and Cartagena / Medellin. If any of you guys have been to Sosua and Colombia can you let me know which one you liked better. I know Cartagena and Medellin are big cities and Sosua is a small beach town but I would still like to know which you guys like more. I would be traveling solo as well if I were to go.[/QUOTE]I currently have apartments in both countries and split my time between them, I also have a home in the states because sometimes I need to go back and get my fix of first world living. I like Sosua for the beach, chicas and a handful of close gringo friends. I like Colombia for the chicas, much better infrastructure, cooler climate, and did I mention chicas. If Colombia had a nice beach in an easily accessible and safe area I would live there full time but it doesn't so I go back and forth between both countries and I'm okay with that.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2847889]I knew a bunch of places inside the walls and outside with hot water (next to Mall Plaza, boca grande, Getsemeni, el Laguito) but, as I've learned the hard way, some information must be kept to myself. I gave an entire list of places I've stayed on forums and WhatsApp groups trying to help the next person, no security or guest friendly, jacuzzi, hot water, private, washer / dryer, rooftop, etc. I even stayed at one in Getsemeni that had toilet seat bidets, perfect after eating those burgers by Plaza la Trinidad. Then slowly one by one their rules started changing about only those on the reservation are allowed in the apartment or the reservation will be immediately canceled, no refund with $$$ penalty and all guests must leave. If cops are called for any reason, neighbor complain, etc they kick everyone out the house / apartment and the most fucked up part is that they won't list those things on the listing, they will send it to the person the day before they check in, a shit ton of additional rules that were never mentioned blindsiding the person.

I only have a few left but these are not really solo places unless you do something similar to what I do, put all your stuff in 1 bedroom and do your business in the other bedroom.

Also how much you're willing to spend per night?

I still know of 4 in Getsemeni all by the same owner and they are cool with guests.[/QUOTE]About a hundred or so. Thanks.

Mine costs me around $. 75 each in the USA with a prescription from my doctor. You would have to be a total Moron to pay $10 for one.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2834436]That is why you get generic. It is cheap. I was in a pharmacy in Santa Marta and the pharmacist said Durax was buy one box get one free. It was nowhere near the price on this ad. It was like $25 for a box of 28 plus a free box of 28. I sell them for $10 each so I made a nice profit.[/QUOTE]

My Brother and I are heading to Cartagena tomorrow and did hear of a good bar there (non-strip club) where you could sit and enjoy regular priced drinks where there would be Scorts. My friend could not remember the name of the place.

We Spent 7 days in Medellin and now wrapping up 4 nights in Bogota, then 4 nights Cartagena and then returning back to Medellin for 8 more. We like to keep an arms length from the strip clubs, total rip off and stressful in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2848153]Mine costs me around $. 75 each in the USA with a prescription from my doctor. You would have to be a total Moron to pay $10 for one.[/QUOTE]I am a hood guy. Everybody can't just go get a prescription. But that is how I started back when it first came out. I went and got a prescription of 30 pills for $10 copay. I took one and saw how it made my head hurt so I sold the other 29. That was over 20 years ago.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2848158]I am a hood guy. Everybody can't just go get a prescription. But that is how I started back when it first came out. I went and got a prescription of 30 pills for $10 copay. I took one and saw how it made my head hurt so I sold the other 29. That was over 20 years ago.[/QUOTE]

They make my other head ache in a good way.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2848157]My Brother and I are heading to Cartagena tomorrow and did hear of a good bar there (non-strip club) where you could sit and enjoy regular priced drinks where there would be Scorts. My friend could not remember the name of the place.

We Spent 7 days in Medellin and now wrapping up 4 nights in Bogota, then 4 nights Cartagena and then returning back to Medellin for 8 more. We like to keep an arms length from the strip clubs, total rip off and stressful in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Your friend gave you vague information, and vague information is the worst to make plans on.

Ask your friend when was the last time they were at this place?

Ask them if it was inside the walls or outside?

Bosque?

Centro?

BocaGrande?

El Laguito?

To my knowledge if it's local priced drinks and working girls in a regular club then it's outside the walls. If inside the walls it's one of the main 3 working girl clubs they all go to. Imperio, VSOP, Clocktower Pub will be the next 3 runner up. You can also find them at Miridor and Portal but they may be a group of girls with 1 gringo.

Oh and heads up, it's humid as F here. Standing in the shade for 10 minutes and my face and shirt is soaked like I was standing in the rain.

Saw her online, seemed too good to be true. Any experience.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/promo-70k-camila-peliroja-pornografica-con-cuerpo-excitante/23253985/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ThatZonaKid;2848433]Saw her online, seemed too good to be true. Any experience.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/promo-70k-camila-peliroja-pornografica-con-cuerpo-excitante/23253985/[/URL][/QUOTE]Likely fake. Here's a protip for anyone looking at ladies on Mileroticos or Skokka. Google their number! There is another website where Colombian mongers review the ladies. You can Google translate to understand, but it will give you an idea if they are fake and how the service is. Also, pay attention to the prices they pay vs what you all are quoted.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2848153]Mine costs me around $. 75 each in the USA with a prescription from my doctor. You would have to be a total Moron to pay $10 for one.[/QUOTE]I get Taldalafilo for a dollar a pill at the drogueria in my barrio 20 mil for a box of 4 20 MG pills. Works much better than Viagra.

[QUOTE=ThatZonaKid;2848433]Saw her online, seemed too good to be true. Any experience.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/promo-70k-camila-peliroja-pornografica-con-cuerpo-excitante/23253985/[/URL][/QUOTE]Nah she's real. I saw her online a while back in Bogota I guess she moved to Cartagena. Word of caution the Bogota girls that are online suck. They all use filters and photoshop and when you se ever irl she'll mostly likely look ugly. So if she looks like a 7 subtract 2 points and now she's a 5.

[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2848781]Nah she's real. I saw her online a while back in Bogota I guess she moved to Cartagena.[/QUOTE]You actually saw her or you only saw the ad? People streal pics and make ads all the time. People also steal ads and make other ads. Saw a chick in a Brazil ad that I wanted to hit. Saw the same chick in a Peru ad. When I went to Peru I ended up fucking the chick. She was Peruvian and had never been to Brazil.

[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2848781]Nah she's real. I saw her online a while back in Bogota I guess she moved to Cartagena. Word of caution the Bogota girls that are online suck. They all use filters and photoshop and when you se ever irl she'll mostly likely look ugly. So if she looks like a 7 subtract 2 points and now she's a 5.[/QUOTE]Did you meet her IRL to confirm she's real or you're confirming she's real because you also saw the same advertisement in Bogota?

What exactly is "a while back" and was it the same exact pics used for the advertisement?

Lots of those accounts will post similar advertisements in many cities using the same photos and once a gringo contacts them all of a sudden they are not in the area the advertisement was posted and they need money for a plane ticket to meet with the gringo. But ask them for their live location to call out their bullshit and see how well the conversation goes after.

No dar papaya.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2848960]Did you meet her IRL to confirm she's real or you're confirming she's real because you also saw the same advertisement in Bogota?

What exactly is "a while back" and was it the same exact pics used for the advertisement?

Lots of those accounts will post similar advertisements in many cities using the same photos and once a gringo contacts them all of a sudden they are not in the area the advertisement was posted and they need money for a plane ticket to meet with the gringo. But ask them for their live location to call out their bullshit and see how well the conversation goes after.

No dar papaya.[/QUOTE]I've never met her because I know she's from Bogota and in Bogota they always use photoshop but I know she's real. Trust me I've seen every girl on mileroticos I've spent so much time looking. I've seen girls travel around and change their location on mileroticos. I had this one girl who I did when she was in Bogota. She moved just outside the city and change the location in mileroticos and I asked her about it. And she confirmed that she did leave and when she got back she changed location back and I called her back.

Before that person posted asking about this girl I saw her in Bogota and then when I started looking in Cartagena I saw that she moved her location which surprised me. I know girls that have gone from Medellin to Bogota and vice versa and another one that has done a tour around all of Colombia.

I haven't met this girl but I can confirm with a high degree of accuracy she's real.

[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2849178]I've never met her because I know she's from Bogota and in Bogota they always use photoshop but I know she's real. Trust me I've seen every girl on mileroticos I've spent so much time looking. I've seen girls travel around and change their location on mileroticos. I had this one girl who I did when she was in Bogota. She moved just outside the city and change the location in mileroticos and I asked her about it. And she confirmed that she did leave and when she got back she changed location back and I called her back.

Before that person posted asking about this girl I saw her in Bogota and then when I started looking in Cartagena I saw that she moved her location which surprised me. I know girls that have gone from Medellin to Bogota and vice versa and another one that has done a tour around all of Colombia.

I haven't met this girl but I can confirm with a high degree of accuracy she's real.[/QUOTE]Ok, so by reading your response what I'm understanding is that you are confirming that the advertisement can be moved from one location to another. You don't have any IRL experience with the particular individual in the advertisement to confirm the individual is 100% real but because you had IRL experience with another girl that moved her advertisement from one location to another and they were real then in conclusion it that makes this person in the advertisement real.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2847376]

I took my ass to Santa Martha.

I have not seen a single pair of Jordan's, all white Airforce 1, no Yankee fittits, no wife beaters, nobody that looks like they from my block!

My girl and I are enjoying our time here before returning to Cartagena.[/QUOTE]I feel you. I think the word is out that CTG is a lot of the Sosua type crowd. People are branching out and looking for other options.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2843384]I didn't pay for sex with any of those girls. They were basically girlfriends. In any case, the dinners I paid for or the short ice cream dates cost way less than a working girl. Just get out of your comfort zone and chat them up where you see them. They like foreigners. And I'm not even white.[/QUOTE]That's what's up. When I'm on the coast, that's my MO as well.

Last week, I got back home after spending 11 days in Cartagena. It was probably my worst in experience in 25+ years of traveling to Latin America. This was extremely disappointing for me because I love hot weather, Colombian women are beautiful, I dance Salsa (and Merengue and Bachata) well and I speak Spanish well enough that that most people understand me and I can understand them.

One of the things I love about traveling in Latin America is that in most locations, I can meet someone during the day, maybe have them tag along while I do some sight seeing or when I stop to have some drinks. If we get along, we will meet up later in the evening and go dancing or have dinner or whatever. I generally will give them money for their time and everyone is happy.

Something went terribly wrong in Cartagena. All I encountered were women that had zero interest in interacting with me except to find out where my hotel / AirBnb was at and wanting to know when we could leave to go there. Seriously, I have never, ever seen women so completely uninterested in anything about me since I've been traveling to Latin America. Hell, I can honestly say of the 6-7 women that I was with, maybe two actually even asked me my name. All of them simply called me "Bebe" (I fucking hate that). Towards the end of my trip (the last three days), I finally decided I was done with El Centro and started hanging out in the Gethesmane area and then started meeting normal women that actually had in interest in speaking to me, hanging out, dancing but they all seemed middle to upper class and while I had a great time meeting and hanging out out with them, I was VERY uncomfortable offering them money for sex and none hinted that they were open to it.

So, what happened to Cartagena and why is it so different? I think the issues were was caused by the men. I booked a guest friendly AirBnb in the El Cabrero neighborhood Francechy's Apartments ($57/ night) about 1. 5 km from the clock tower and walked there and back on a regular basis (according to my phone, I walked 6. 5 miles per day). My first day there, it was in the mid 90's with a nice breeze blowing so the heat wasn't that bad. I walked to the Clock Tower got a seat at Donde Fidel's and had a drink and watched people. I expected that a few nice women would come by and ask if they can have a drink with me. Nope. What I did see were several creepy looking, old white men (I'm black. But don't worry, their criticism is coming), standing around with their hands on their hips assessing the women (tourists or not) like a meat buyer in a butcher shop. If nothing was to their liking they would walk back to the other side of the arch and do the same thing. If they saw someone they liked, they would immediately walk up to them and start talking to them. More than a few times, the women they were approaching were obvious tourists and a few minutes later they would walk away stand there with their hands on their hips assessing who else they could approach. I just literally wanted to scream, "That isn't how you do it!

As the evening went on, more women showed up to do absolutely nothing but stand there and wait for men to approach them. There was no other type of interaction such as flirting or anything with men unless they were immediately leaving with them. I did approach several women and it was all the same thing. "Where are you staying?" "What are you doing tonight?" "Let's go to your place" "Okay, here is my number call me when you leave" (I never called any of them). I think the men here caused this. If your only interest in them is screwing them, giving them money and having them go away, why would they waste their time showing interest in you otherwise.

I'm going to spare you all of the non-sex related stuff I did and move on to the women, there were several things I liked about the city, but no one here cares.

On Friday, I think the US emptied their ghettoes onto Spirit Airlines and they all flew to Cartagena. Seriously, I grew up in Oakland and was dirt poor, I now own a business and know lots of lots of middle class black men, these people definitely weren't it. At one point, I was hanging out with my daughter at one of the night clubs (she showed up later on during my trip) and she grabbed me and said, "we need to leave now" she was worried that with the anger, aggression, American rap music playing along with the massive crowd of people in the bar that a shooting would break out at any moment. I was so proud of her, because if I were at home, I would have thought the exact same thing. Seriously, you go to another country and get into a fight with someone because they stepped on your new shoes? You need to stay home and do that shit there. At any point, I realized that the night clubs cater to the tourists and that no one local (except hookers) would go there. At one point, I went into Dolce Vita and couldn't move because it was simply packed with women. I realized as they kicked some women off a table and allowed me to sit down that not one woman there had a drink in her hands. Not one. It was actually worse than that. It was like 50-60 women all standing there with resting be**ch face looking bored unless someone looked at them. Then they would suddenly smile and try to look sexy.

I've have much more to type, but need to leave. But in the end.

2 Women from Clock Tower.

3 Women from Mileroticos.

2 Women from Tinder.

1 mediocre massages (at a spa) with a happy ending.

1 fantastic massage (at a spa) no happy ending.

Average price (not including massages) paid $250 K pesos. The sex with all of the women were as I expected. They were all beyond beautiful; all completely terrible in bed (only two made any real effort). All promised the world when as they tried to get your business, but pretty much only did missionary, doggy and cowgirl, did get a horrible BJ from one before I simply had to stop her (though I should have let her go, she defiintely needed the practice). At any time, first time a trip for me was a complete bust. I probably won't be going back, but if I do, I will be avoiding El Centro.

I should also mention that I took Uber everywhere. Cab drivers there are thieves. I haven't met one person there that would saying anything positive about the cab drivers. For me, I was with my daughter and we were leaving El Centro and going to her hotel (yes, I book a different place than my daughter). She is was 1 K (. 6 miles) from downtown. We asked the cab driver how much and he says, "20" (in Spanish). $20 K pesos was a little high (Uber was generally $9 K pesos). So we get in, I hand him $20 K pesos and he says, "This isn't right, I want $20 US each. " I told him "come mierda" and got out of the cab. This is typical behavior for cab drivers there. I won't even look at them. They can all starve.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;2849429]Last week, I got back home after spending 11 days in Cartagena. It was probably my worst in experience in 25+ years of traveling to Latin America. [/QUOTE]Can I guess that your age may have something to do with it? Maybe you are not as attractive as you were 25 years ago and the women no longer want to dance with you.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;2849429]Towards the end of my trip (the last three days), I finally decided I was done with El Centro and started hanging out in the Gethesmane area and then started meeting normal women that actually had in interest in speaking to me, hanging out, dancing but they all seemed middle to upper class and while I had a great time meeting and hanging out out with them, I was VERY uncomfortable offering them money for sex and none hinted that they were open to it.[/QUOTE]Uhh so why would it come across your mind to do it? Why do most guys on this website assume that if someone likes them and they have a good time together then they need to give them money? I will never understand that.

Are some guys just born to be tricks and hold it deep inside that is all they could ever be? Is every guy that meets every woman always supposed to be looking out that a woman has to be paid when they have sex together? Where does this kind of thinking come from? Everybody is not a hooker, but what causes guys that deal with hookers to assume that even women who are not hookers are hookers and that if the course is not following a hooker / trick progression then they are out of their element and do not know how to function? Buying pussy from a couple of chicks seem to make some guys get "in too deep" and try to apply hooker world shit to the normal world. Learn to have situational awareness and use some discernment. The entire world is not a hoarhouse. This shit is crazy.

So you are used to having hookers that act like they are interested in you. You find hookers that are not going to bullshit you and would rather cut to the chase. You do not like them being upfront and honest. You go on to find some normal women that are genuinely interested in you. You do not know how to act because they are not interested in your money. So you would rather have someone blow smoke up your ass and bullshit you around until you pay them than someone that is being real and you do not need to pay them? You can not make this shit up.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2849437]Can I guess that your age may have something to do with it? Maybe you are not as attractive as you were 25 years ago and the women no longer want to dance with you.[/QUOTE]I didn't suddenly get old and ugly in the last 8 months. I travel outside the US 2-3 times per year (for the last 15+ years).

[QUOTE=Michael1967;2849429]Last week, I got back home after spending 11 days in Cartagena. It was probably my worst in experience in 25+ years of traveling to Latin America. This was extremely disappointing for me because I love hot weather, Colombian women are beautiful, I dance Salsa (and Merengue and Bachata) well and I speak Spanish well enough that that most people understand me and I can understand them.

One of the things I love about traveling in Latin America is that in most locations, I can meet someone during the day, maybe have them tag along while I do some sight seeing or when I stop to have some drinks. If we get along, we will meet up later in the evening and go dancing or have dinner or whatever. I generally will give them money for their time and everyone is happy.

[/QUOTE]Everything happens for a reason. I just read a post in the Medellin section about another gringo drugged to death. Sometimes an L is really a W. You just don't know it.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;2849429]Last week, I got back home after spending 11 days in Cartagena. It was probably my worst in experience in 25+ years of traveling to Latin America. This was extremely disappointing for me because I love hot weather, Colombian women are beautiful, I dance Salsa (and Merengue and Bachata) well and I speak Spanish well enough that that most people understand me and I can understand them.

One of the things I love about traveling in Latin America is that in most locations, I can meet someone during the day, maybe have them tag along while I do some sight seeing or when I stop to have some drinks. If we get along, we will meet up later in the evening and go dancing or have dinner or whatever. I generally will give them money for their time and everyone is happy.

Something went terribly wrong in Cartagena. All I encountered were women that had zero interest in interacting with me except to find out where my hotel / AirBnb was at and wanting to know when we could leave to go there.[/QUOTE]Amazing isn't it. It's like looking into the past.

I've said many times that the chicas here in Cartagena are now like the girls in Sosua but I can shout it all I want if it falls on deaf ears.

What's happening now is that chicas I've know for years now want more money for same service or they want same money for less service.

Now all the doing is slapping a condom on your dick, spot in their hand, rub their pussy and jump on it, bunny hop for 5 minutes, then get paid and leave.

Tonight was a "WTF happend" night. For some odd reason there's allot of overweight hood women walking around in big groups just being loud about everything the see. Their friend is shoulder to shoulder to them but they yelling so hard about a brother taking to a girl on Google translate trying to shame him.

They were like packs of buffaloes with so much fat hanging from their backs it looked like it needed a bra. What fucked yo what they were trying to go where all the black men were going not realizing we are not here to interact with the sisterhood. I got many nasty stares while walking by them with my chica and she kept asking me why they so big, and why they looking her angry. I just kept telling her the are trying to see where we went and why we no longer interact with them. My chica then joke about maybe they came to get a Colombiano. To which I said, no, it would be difficult for an overweight loudmouth that was probably raised by a single mother to disrespect men to end up with with a Colombiano as the culture is different and Latin men don't really tolerate the disrespect we had to endure since before I was born. She didn't get it, and I can't explain it to her.

Found out later a cruse ship came in and since it's Labor Day weekend well the usual suspects are here. Jordan's? Yes. Belly so big they can't see their Jordan's while standing? Yes. Loud mouth? Yes. Slip on sandles and socks at 11 pm? Yes.

I only have 1 more week here then I'm good for another 3 months.

Have to write up a report about my Santa Martha drive. I now know what "Detection Electrnico" means on that big ass sign on the dumb single lane highway.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2849512]......My chica then joke about maybe they came to get a Colombiano. To which I said, no, it would be difficult for an overweight loudmouth that was probably raised by a single mother to disrespect men to end up with with a Colombiano as the culture is different and Latin men don't really tolerate the disrespect we had to endure since before I was born. She didn't get it, and I can't explain it to her.......[/QUOTE]They could easily get a Colombiano if they offer to pay him but they should beware of the scope.

You guys really have to do better when talking about other tourists, who aren't even the subject for this forum, and it's always funny because you all are no better.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2849947]You guys really have to do better when talking about other tourists, who aren't even the subject for this forum, and it's always funny because you all are no better.[/QUOTE]It definitely a jealousy thing on this board. They have a dislike for younger guys with expendable incomes because apparently we drove the market up and their retirement / pensions etc can't keep up. The demographics of this board favors guys 60+. Then you have the ones who dislike the "hiphop" crowd and it just stems from jealousy.

Michael, I read your report on Cartagena a few comments down from here and could not agree more. I began visiting Cartagena around 2009 and enjoyed my initial trips the city, vibe, food, and the culture were unique. Though the woman were there for the money, most made an effort to earn their keep so to speak. But over the years, things have generally deteriorated. Even though I have a free place to stay at a high end hotel due to a time share arrangement, I have decided to go elsewhere on my holidays. Last October was the final straw when I found myself in the relatively early evening hours surrounded by several women who were attempting to accost and then rob me on one of the main streets leading from the ClockTower. Only when I retaliated by striking one of the woman in the stomach was I able to extricate myself from this situation.

After walking another block and speaking to a nonchalant policeman about this incident, did I realize that the police here had no interest in intervening and, indeed, they are probably on the take too. The girls who come there are not local ones as in the past but the vast majority are from Venezuela, Medellin or Bogata and many have a chip in their shoulder. And like you said, most of their performance in the room are insipid, hurried, and lacking even a slight hint of eroticism.

With some of the knock out drugs being past around and readily available, you could lose more than just your wallet or IPhone. I doubt if I will ever visit again. Good riddance to CTG.

11 days!! Why didn't you leave and go to a different city? I would have cut my loose and dipped. To your point that foreigner men have ruined Cartagena, I'd say the same for MDE, But CTG was already kinda ruined even before MDE was. I recall my first trips to MDE back in 2013 2014, the hoes would talk about going to work in CTG to get paid in US dollars. That was jumping off point to Panama and Costa Rica. Remember that there is a lot more than Colombia than CTG, MDE, and BOG. You speak Spanish, you will have a great time in other cities. Note that "Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac" - ISG. There are so many chicks looking for high-value men, that will fuck you for a little help economica. It's all about how you approach them to the proposition without making them feel like a prepago.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;2849429]Last week, I got back home after spending 11 days in Cartagena. It was probably my worst in experience in 25+ years of traveling to Latin America. This was extremely disappointing for me because I love hot weather, Colombian women are beautiful, I dance Salsa (and Merengue and Bachata) well and I speak Spanish well enough that that most people understand me and I can understand them.

One of the things I love about traveling in Latin America is that in most locations, I can meet someone during the day, maybe have them tag along while I do some sight seeing or when I stop to have some drinks. If we get along, we will meet up later in the evening and go dancing or have dinner or whatever. I generally will give them money for their time and everyone is happy.

Something went terribly wrong in Cartagena. All I encountered were women that had zero interest in interacting with me except to find out where my hotel / AirBnb was at and wanting to know when we could leave to go there. Seriously, I have never, ever seen women so completely uninterested in anything about me since I've been traveling to Latin America. Hell, I can honestly say of the 6-7 women that I was with, maybe two actually even asked me my name. All of them simply called me "Bebe" (I fucking hate that). Towards the end of my trip (the last three days), I finally decided I was done with El Centro and started hanging out in the Gethesmane area and then started meeting normal women that actually had in interest in speaking to me, hanging out, dancing but they all seemed middle to upper class and while I had a great time meeting and hanging out out with them, I was VERY uncomfortable offering them money for sex and none hinted that they were open to it.

So, what happened to Cartagena and why is it so different? I think the issues were was caused by the men. I booked a guest friendly AirBnb in the El Cabrero neighborhood Francechy's Apartments ($57/ night) about 1. 5 km from the clock tower and walked there and back on a regular basis (according to my phone, I walked 6. 5 miles per day). My first day there, it was in the mid 90's with a nice breeze blowing so the heat wasn't that bad. I walked to the Clock Tower got a seat at Donde Fidel's and had a drink and watched people. I expected that a few nice women would come by and ask if they can have a drink with me. Nope. What I did see were several creepy looking, old white men (I'm black. But don't worry, their criticism is coming), standing around with their hands on their hips assessing the women (tourists or not) like a meat buyer in a butcher shop. If nothing was to their liking they would walk back to the other side of the arch and do the same thing. If they saw someone they liked, they would immediately walk up to them and start talking to them. More than a few times, the women they were approaching were obvious tourists and a few minutes later they would walk away stand there with their hands on their hips assessing who else they could approach. I just literally wanted to scream, "That isn't how you do it!

As the evening went on, more women showed up to do absolutely nothing but stand there and wait for men to approach them. There was no other type of interaction such as flirting or anything with men unless they were immediately leaving with them. I did approach several women and it was all the same thing. "Where are you staying?" "What are you doing tonight?" "Let's go to your place" "Okay, here is my number call me when you leave" (I never called any of them). I think the men here caused this. If your only interest in them is screwing them, giving them money and having them go away, why would they waste their time showing interest in you otherwise.

I'm going to spare you all of the non-sex related stuff I did and move on to the women, there were several things I liked about the city, but no one here cares.

On Friday, I think the US emptied their ghettoes onto Spirit Airlines and they all flew to Cartagena. Seriously, I grew up in Oakland and was dirt poor, I now own a business and know lots of lots of middle class black men, these people definitely weren't it. At one point, I was hanging out with my daughter at one of the night clubs (she showed up later on during my trip) and she grabbed me and said, "we need to leave now" she was worried that with the anger, aggression, American rap music playing along with the massive crowd of people in the bar that a shooting would break out at any moment. I was so proud of her, because if I were at home, I would have thought the exact same thing. Seriously, you go to another country and get into a fight with someone because they stepped on your new shoes? You need to stay home and do that shit there. At any point, I realized that the night clubs cater to the tourists and that no one local (except hookers) would go there. At one point, I went into Dolce Vita and couldn't move because it was simply packed with women. I realized as they kicked some women off a table and allowed me to sit down that not one woman there had a drink in her hands. Not one. It was actually worse than that. It was like 50-60 women all standing there with resting be**ch face looking bored unless someone looked at them. Then they would suddenly smile and try to look sexy.

I've have much more to type, but need to leave. But in the end.

2 Women from Clock Tower.

3 Women from Mileroticos.

2 Women from Tinder.

1 mediocre massages (at a spa) with a happy ending.

1 fantastic massage (at a spa) no happy ending.

Average price (not including massages) paid $250 K pesos. The sex with all of the women were as I expected. They were all beyond beautiful; all completely terrible in bed (only two made any real effort). All promised the world when as they tried to get your business, but pretty much only did missionary, doggy and cowgirl, did get a horrible BJ from one before I simply had to stop her (though I should have let her go, she defiintely needed the practice). At any time, first time a trip for me was a complete bust. I probably won't be going back, but if I do, I will be avoiding El Centro.

I should also mention that I took Uber everywhere. Cab drivers there are thieves. I haven't met one person there that would saying anything positive about the cab drivers. For me, I was with my daughter and we were leaving El Centro and going to her hotel (yes, I book a different place than my daughter). She is was 1 K (. 6 miles) from downtown. We asked the cab driver how much and he says, "20" (in Spanish). $20 K pesos was a little high (Uber was generally $9 K pesos). So we get in, I hand him $20 K pesos and he says, "This isn't right, I want $20 US each. " I told him "come mierda" and got out of the cab. This is typical behavior for cab drivers there. I won't even look at them. They can all starve.[/QUOTE]

You should read back through the pages we've gone on and all about the" posses" that have destroyed Cartegena. You're not going to get any blow back here We can't be more specific about it because the moderators won't tolerate it but we all know what the deal is.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2850169]11 days!! Why didn't you leave and go to a different city? I would have cut my loose and dipped. To your point that foreigner men have ruined Cartagena, I'd say the same for MDE, But CTG was already kinda ruined even before MDE was. I recall my first trips to MDE back in 2013 2014, the hoes would talk about going to work in CTG to get paid in US dollars. That was jumping off point to Panama and Costa Rica. Remember that there is a lot more than Colombia than CTG, MDE, and BOG. You speak Spanish, you will have a great time in other cities. Note that "Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac" - ISG. There are so many chicks looking for high-value men, that will fuck you for a little help economica. It's all about how you approach them to the proposition without making them feel like a prepago.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2850169]11 days!! Why didn't you leave and go to a different city? I would have cut my loose and dipped. To your point that foreigner men have ruined Cartagena, I'd say the same for MDE, But CTG was already kinda ruined even before MDE was. I recall my first trips to MDE back in 2013 2014, the hoes would talk about going to work in CTG to get paid in US dollars. That was jumping off point to Panama and Costa Rica. Remember that there is a lot more than Colombia than CTG, MDE, and BOG. You speak Spanish, you will have a great time in other cities. Note that "Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac" - ISG. There are so many chicks looking for high-value men, that will fuck you for a little help economica. It's all about how you approach them to the proposition without making them feel like a prepago.[/QUOTE]Most of the time, when I travel, I don't travel strictly for sex. My (adult) daughter and I usually take a trip together once per year. This year she chose Cartagena. She planned on six days and (because of this site) I realized it would be a good spot to spend a few extra days alone. So, I booked eleven days and she booked six. Once she arrived, I still had alone time (we stayed in different locations), but we spent most of the time doing touristy things together. Next year, she's hoping to do Brazil. If we do it (I have concerns about safety. Hers not mine), then I will probably do the same thing. Arrive earlier or stay later.

Unfortunately because of behavior of your brothers Colombian women are not really interested in Africa gringos. The posse crowd has turned Cartagena into another version of Sosua. Since you seem to have a problem with older American gringos peering around the locals maybe you ought to go take at what the large groups of African Americans are doing largely wasting girls' time, eventually lowballing them and moving on to the next party so you getting the benefit of their cheap holidays.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;2850330]Most of the time, when I travel, I don't travel strictly for sex. My (adult) daughter and I usually take a trip together once per year. This year she chose Cartagena. She planned on six days and (because of this site) I realized it would be a good spot to spend a few extra days alone. So, I booked eleven days and she booked six. Once she arrived, I still had alone time (we stayed in different locations), but we spent most of the time doing touristy things together. Next year, she's hoping to do Brazil. If we do it (I have concerns about safety. Hers not mine), then I will probably do the same thing. Arrive earlier or stay later.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kafka;2850374]Unfortunately because of behavior of your brothers Colombian women are not really interested in Africa gringos......[/QUOTE]It makes no sense trying to simplify the situation. If Colombian women are not interested in Africa gringos then how come the Africa gringos can be accused of spoiling them? My thinking is that as long as you have money the chicas will be interested. Chicas go after money and gringos represent dollars. The people who are really affected by an influx of gringos are Colombian men. Consider how they feel. These are the people Colombian women are not really interested in in the gringo infested areas.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;2849960]It definitely a jealousy thing on this board. They have a dislike for younger guys with expendable incomes because apparently we drove the market up and their retirement / pensions etc can't keep up. The demographics of this board favors guys 60+. Then you have the ones who dislike the "hiphop" crowd and it just stems from jealousy.[/QUOTE]Mid 30's with plenty of disposable income and enough time to spend a month at a time out of the US a few times a year. I can definitely check the box of those "who dislike the hip hop crowd" but its not at all jealousy, its more of an annoyance as they still operate as they are still in high school and have to constantly seek approval of their peers so its constantly "loudspeaker mode" to get attention. For me, I don't think it makes for anyone to hop on a plane to go somewhere just to be annoyed.

I believe this trip will be the final nail in the coffin for me in Cartagena as things hit a new level. My chica was equally annoyed as I was when we returned to Cartagena from Santa Martha and Barranquilla.

Ill now be going more places that are not heavily advertised by the usual Youtubers that attract a certain crowd.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2850399]It makes no sense trying to simplify the situation. If Colombian women are not interested in Africa gringos then how come the Africa gringos can be accused of spoiling them? My thinking is that as long as you have money the chicas will be interested. Chicas go after money and gringos represent dollars. The people who are really affected by an influx of gringos are Colombian men. Consider how they feel. These are the people Colombian women are not really interested in in the gringo infested areas.[/QUOTE]They're not spoiling they're being extorted because the women want more money to go with them --I've been told by numerous women this is the case. So yes they are both raising the prices for us and also making the girls more difficult to deal with because they are hardened by having to work for these guys.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2850374]Unfortunately because of behavior of your brothers Colombian women are not really interested in Africa gringos. The posse crowd has turned Cartagena into another version of Sosua. Since you seem to have a problem with older American gringos peering around the locals maybe you ought to go take at what the large groups of African Americans are doing largely wasting girls' time, eventually lowballing them and moving on to the next party so you getting the benefit of their cheap holidays.[/QUOTE]Wait a minute. I thought it was the Sosua guys that have come in and jacked all the prices up and paying in dollars and shit the same as Sosua. Now you are telling us it is actually those guys who are trying to obtain more reasonable prices from the girls and this is a bad thing how? To benefit their cheap holidays? Aren't they they ones known to be weekend millionaires and literally throwing money around? Actually giving away money for nothing? Party crowd? I thought guys went to party places such as LDV because the chicks were there? Why wouldn't the chicks switch to going to non-party places to pick up tricks if they were not there to party as well?

Now of course you can not switch over to this side of the argument because it will only leave one reason as to why you are pointing at them. If Colombian women are not interested in Black guys I must have been going to the wrong Colombia for the last 20 years. And I probably mess with 95% non-hookers and only 5% hookers there. Somebody better tell all of my Colombian ex and present normal girlfriends that they are not supposed to be interested in me.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2850512]

Back on topic, I've seen a bunch of ladies (working and non-working) acquiring European boyfriends. Even a few of the muchachas I know from Universidad Cartagena are off in Italy or Spain for the summer. If I lived there, it would probably be cheaper to just import these girls for a short stay. I might do that in Mexico around Thanksgiving.[/QUOTE]All I can do is laugh at the irony in this.

A while back when I said gringos were monopolizing chicas time by flying them out the country for weeks at a time I remember being called a conspiracy theorist (general form section). Even though I saw multiple chicas status in Croatia, Italy, and Paris, along with the usual Cancun, Tulum, Dominican Republic, Panama and Ecuador.

When I said that I saw big paying gringos sending chicas lots of money in advance to secure their availability or paying allot to make sure she's there for them, I remember being called a liar.

Allot of the chicas I see when I go to Cartagena have gringo boyfriends that send them $500 to $1000 a month for them to not sell themselves in the clubs and street but yet they still take on selective customers.