Medellin Reports

There is one VERY IMPORTANT detail that you left out of your sales pitch amigo.

When a chica is thinking "I have to take care of my kid, pay tuition, my mother's medical bills, etc.", then she will be wiling to negotiate down from 250k, or any price for that matter.

BUT, when she says all of those things to herself, AND "I have to pay my pimp more than half of what I earn", then of course we gringos are going to be asked for more money so that she can cover her overhead costs of guys like you that have latched on to her. Anytime there is a middle man involved in the transaction prices are ALWAYS higher and non-negotiable.

So keep the sermon about "yes buddy, you have to pay more money" reserved for the newbies.

If any of you think that I am just making shit up, ask John Boy to post his percentage of the cut he takes from both mongers AND chicas as his "finder's fee" for helping each party make the connection. I'm sure none of you believe that he is doing this out of the kindness of his heart, lmao!

[QUOTE=John; 1498125]I have been to Medellin over 50 + times. I know about the modelling scene and every thing that Medellin has to offer. Bottom Line not all girls go for Cheap.

Case in point. Girl was offered a trip to Peru (yes Machu Pichu) and all. Get paid $500 for a week on top of that and guess what?

She says NOOOOOOO. Too Little money.

Second Case in Point. Offered one Girl 400 mil short time or 800 mil Pesos all Night. Guess what Again too little money.

Us Gringos think we have all the money and we have egoes. But my friend there are many Girls that I know would not give you a time of day if you were to try and pay them less then 250 mil for 2 hours, etc, etc.[/QUOTE]Again, this is not rocket science.

Just like in dealing with regular girls, mongering is not a one-size-fits all deal, whether it be in Medellin, Sao Paulo, Rio, Buenos Aires or Los Angeles, etc, etc.

Some girls wouldn't PFP irregardless of price, some would accept much less from some guys than from others for various reasons and some guys are just better able to extract a better price due to their particular skills, looks, chemestry, etc, etc.

The girl that turned down the trip to Peru for $500, may have also turned down $1000 because she wasn't 'feeling' it with that particular guy, however, she may just have accpepted the trip with another for $300.

You just don't know.

Speaking spanish always helps, being in decent shape, good hygene, and being a cool mofo helps greatly as well.

It just is not that complicated.

Good luck amigos.

Exactly my point. Ahhahhahah.

First off I won't pay a girl more then 150 mil who has kids. Second. I don't deal with Pimps. And if I do I would not call that money going to the girls Direct.

Wow.. I just read your comment about percentage cut. HHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHA.. I am not about to cuss at any one on this boar but buddy.. jhahhahahhahhahhah.a.

Exactly my point.. Cheap Shot......... I am the one who flew 4 girls by my self over 4 days to San Andres. Expense on that trip $4,000 you think I need money from these girls...

Bottom Line to each his own.

As per to reply to my friend Ricker. I know who you are Ricker and I have seen you in action in Person. Yes some times you find a Gem for much cheaper.

Most of the times your girls are not just worth my time.

Same goes with me some times I may pay a girl much more because she is special to me but I would never call that market rate.

Anyways I was expecting the reply from first and foremost the know it all Mr. Ricker. Yes my friend you been to Medellin possibly much more then I have but your taste in Girls is muc different then mine.

I can definitely post Girls photos here which will take care of this argument but I rather not disclose my friends in Public.

But I don't mind posting the foto of a girl that said no to 800 mil over night. But I didn't push it beyond that point.

Here you go her name is Joselyn Escobar. May be Ricker just May be you have enough game to get this girl for 150 mil an hour.

Regards,

John.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1498162]There is one VERY IMPORTANT detail that you left out of your sales pitch amigo.

When a chica is thinking "I have to take care of my kid, pay tuition, my mother's medical bills, etc.", then she will be wiling to negotiate down from 250k, or any price for that matter.

BUT, when she says all of those things to herself, AND "I have to pay my pimp more than half of what I earn", then of course we gringos are going to be asked for more money so that she can cover her overhead costs of guys like you that have latched on to her. Anytime there is a middle man involved in the transaction prices are ALWAYS higher and non-negotiable.

So keep the sermon about "yes buddy, you have to pay more money" reserved for the newbies.

If any of you think that I am just making shit up, ask John Boy to post his percentage of the cut he takes from both mongers AND chicas as his "finder's fee" for helping each party make the connection. I'm sure none of you believe that he is doing this out of the kindness of his heart, lmao![/QUOTE]

This can be kind of polemic, we never will agree on this matter because it hurts our wallet bad.

First of all, Colombian girls really don't need a pimp to "protect" them from anything, the function of a pimp is irrelevant here because the activity is "legal", but the less brain the easier to be manipulated and scared to be victims of this leaches.

Most gorgeous girls I have met in Medellin are completely free lancers, no pimps or relatives. But I can't deny in the low scene there is a lot of pimping, because they work in a very dangerous territory, but who want to pay high prices for those poor girls? High class escorts usually work for agencies (Agencies can be worts than pimps that's true) or Independently, with contacts, a friend of a friend who has the connections and they may ask for a fee but usually is just mutual wining, The dude wins a favor from Mr. BigPockets and the girl gets a big "donation" Is not a secret how the Entertainment back stage business operates, here and anywhere else.

Now the gringo theory: We gringos f. Ck up most of the play in any city we step on, that is a fact and won't change easily until our government and bankers finish with us and our over seas trips. You can go back in time and will see what a beautiful Mongering paradise was Russia, Argentina, Prague, Rio etc etc.
I was lucky enough to be there before the avalanche of gringos showed up. There were even model type girls working the streets of Moscow and La Roustic in Buenos Aires in it's Basement had a Club where the actual TV stars where escorting. Now you have to be a Millionaire to get access to them. But also there are and always were locals who spoiled the girls, we contributed big time but we weren't the only ones.
Ok that is history, can't be changed, Now the reality is that if you want hight end quality you have to pay for it or be super lucky and explore real hard, which also includes time and money, so at the end we did not save a penny.
I feel very jealous of those guys who have no problem at all with the average girls and have the time of their lives with less than half of the money than me. Man I wish I had that kind of taste, I would be so happy too =). Unfortunately I have this stupid brain that don't get content and for that reason have to play harder. So for stupid people like me there is not much of choices now, Or we pay higher prices or we play hard the non pro scene, which ironically can be way more expensive.
Number 1 scenario: Last weekend in Medellin I had the brilliant idea of saying bye to the city inviting a regular girl to dance and have "normal" fun; of course the plan was to fck the brains out of her all night after the party. Well she had to pick, and of course she picked the most expensive places, Afternoon walk in the Tesoro Mall, watch a movie, then a nice romantic Dinner in a city viewed restaurant, then go to Lleras for a drink or so, then hit Fahrenheit Club. Man drinks 30-50k you know. Well at the end of the night with the girl drunk and me horny as hell finally went to my aprt. This was like 4:00 AM. Yes we fck good but after the first wild round she just passed out. So can't even do the math how much I spent for ONE hop. Girl is gorgeous, but if I had a contact for this same kind of "regomelas" I would pay her happily and do her all night long. I had a blast and there are no regrets, but the point is that "free" sex is never free, at least if you are an Adonis and have no shame and rich girls would pay for everything. So prices for models are not that bad now, they are spoiled that is correct, we are guilty in most part, that is correct, but it won't change down, We can try to not make it change higher fast, But we can't just be blind and think we can avoid it, especially if we are not locals and language is big barrier, or we are old and not in shape and don't know how to dance and all that stuff that "regular" girls dig, that is something that won't change, not because we are foreigner, not because we should be luckier than in our home.
So I'm with John and Vikingo on this. Not to spoil the market but to face reality.
Over average girls can see that very early and because of the stupid media gringo style we export everywhere they are more than aware how much their golden pussy cat worth and vanity has won over humbleness.

Well certainly there are different strata and levels of girls and there are some that command bigger money. That said, a trip to Peru and $500 a week is not a very strong example. That is less than 200K per DAY and we are talking about girls going for 150K for an hour. There are many girls who would turn that down because it's not that much money. A trip to Peru, that's fine, but they need the cash flow and probably don't value a trip to Lima with some grabby gringo the way they would their honeymoon. Getting girls to travel is a tricky thing. I have gotten them to do it for just the cost the trip, other times I have had to come up with 200K or 300K per day. There are a lot of factors there and it's a definite YMMV situation.

Very good "different" perspective on things Dealdo. I was using the term "pimp" as in "agency" and "middleman".

I'm sure there is a place for the Johns of the world in mongering. Just was pointing out that things get much more expensive when they are involved in the transaction. Look at a place like Luna Lunera; 150k to the house if you want to take the chica off site, and 250k to the chica. I would like to think you could negotiate something much lower if the chicas there were "true" freelancers. But at the same time we probably couldn't have found these chicas on our own, so you have to pay the equivalent of a "finders fee".

I'm still very happy with the quality I have been able to get on my own. John mentioned that one of his chicas would not even go for 800k. What if she is a total cold biyatch CBJ starfish? I can pay those kind of prices in the US without having to pay for airfare and an apartment for a week.

I realize we all have differnt expectations while mongering. I have never paid more than $150 USD in Colombia for full-on girlfriend experience with photos and video with what I deem very hot chicas. They may not be Car Audio model-type chicas, but I've been very satisfied to say the least.

[QUOTE=John; 1498185]Exactly my point. Ahhahhahah.

First off I won't pay a girl more then 150 mil who has kids. Second. I don't deal with Pimps. And if I do I would not call that money going to the girls Direct.

Wow. I just read your comment about percentage cut. HHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHA. I am not about to cuss at any one on this boar but buddy. Jhahhahahhahhahhah. A.

Exactly my point. Cheap Shot. I am the one who flew 4 girls by my self over 4 days to San Andres. Expense on that trip $4, 000 you think I need money from these girls.

Bottom Line to each his own.

As per to reply to my friend Ricker. I know who you are Ricker and I have seen you in action in Person. Yes some times you find a Gem for much cheaper.

Most of the times your girls are not just worth my time.

Same goes with me some times I may pay a girl much more because she is special to me but I would never call that market rate.

Anyways I was expecting the reply from first and foremost the know it all Mr. Ricker. Yes my friend you been to Medellin possibly much more then I have but your taste in Girls is muc different then mine.

I can definitely post Girls photos here which will take care of this argument but I rather not disclose my friends in Public.

But I don't mind posting the foto of a girl that said no to 800 mil over night. But I didn't push it beyond that point.

Here you go her name is Joselyn Escobar. May be Ricker just May be you have enough game to get this girl for 150 mil an hour.

Regards,

John.[/QUOTE]I don't get the point. Of course she's a beautiful girl, but there are thousands of girls that beautiful in Medellin that won't prostitute themselves for 800m. But then again, it might have just been you;)

[QUOTE=Dealdo;1498192]This can be kind of polemic, we never will agree on this matter because it hurts our wallet bad.[/QUOTE]I'm trying to get my head around some recent posts. At bottom, John opines that he has access to the creme de la creme of the girls in Medellin, while acknowledging that Ricker, with his limitations, sometimes finds the gem, but obviously can't afford the best, like John does. This whole colloquy is way to close to the "my dick is bigger than yours" boasting. The fact is that there are gems everywhere in Medellin. What separates one from a meaningful relationship with a "gem" is not the wallet, but the heart. My assumption is that, biologically and emotionally, we would find sex much more pleasurable with an "8" that wants to give pleasure to sex with a mechanical "10."

I've been lucky enough to be able to provide several girls in Medellin with scholarships. I know about their lives, have met their families. And each of their mamas line up to invite me for dinner. All I feel is love from these girls, and their families. Sure, I've had some disappointments. A couple of the girls have not taken advantage of this opportunity, and dropped out of their respective universities. That hurt my heart bad, but no regrets about spending the money; that was my choice and I give with a giving heart.

My point is simply this: It's easier to light one candle than to curse the darkness. Obviously not everyone is in a position to do what I do, nor do they approach life as I do. We all decide to do what we do, and our attitude in our relationships with others. And, it's not all about spending large sums of money. It takes time and an interest in improving a girl's life; it's more than the lowest price for the most desirable service provider for a few hours or a night. Just think about it. Would you rather have passionate sex or passionate sex with intimacy? The choice is each of ours.

Only good energy, amigos.

Oh, and there will be at least one Paisa that will cry when you die, because she knew that you cared about her / them.

You can roll around the words as you wish but you clearly stated that I am benefiting from Helping any on this board.

Your words clearly That I am getting a cut from these Girls. It's most definitely not true.

Now you want to take your words back. As I said before to each his Own. Of course I can't make you take your words back. But this shows the quality of the thinking process you have.

Thanks for Nothing.

Good Day. Guys.

I choose my battles to fight and this is not one of them. Money is always respective.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1498211]Very good "different" perspective on things Dealdo. I was using the term "pimp" as in "agency" and "middleman".

I'm sure there is a place for the Johns of the world in mongering. Just was pointing out that things get much more expensive when they are involved in the transaction. Look at a place like Luna Lunera; 150k to the house if you want to take the chica off site, and 250k to the chica. I would like to think you could negotiate something much lower if the chicas there were "true" freelancers. But at the same time we probably couldn't have found these chicas on our own, so you have to pay the equivalent of a "finders fee".

I'm still very happy with the quality I have been able to get on my own. John mentioned that one of his chicas would not even go for 800k. What if she is a total cold biyatch CBJ starfish? I can pay those kind of prices in the US without having to pay for airfare and an apartment for a week.

I realize we all have differnt expectations while mongering. I have never paid more than $150 USD in Colombia for full-on girlfriend experience with photos and video with what I deem very hot chicas. They may not be Car Audio model-type chicas, but I've been very satisfied to say the least.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1498211]Very good "different" perspective on things Dealdo. I was using the term "pimp" as in "agency" and "middleman".

I'm sure there is a place for the Johns of the world in mongering. Just was pointing out that things get much more expensive when they are involved in the transaction. Look at a place like Luna Lunera; 150k to the house if you want to take the chica off site, and 250k to the chica. I would like to think you could negotiate something much lower if the chicas there were "true" freelancers. But at the same time we probably couldn't have found these chicas on our own, so you have to pay the equivalent of a "finders fee".

I'm still very happy with the quality I have been able to get on my own. John mentioned that one of his chicas would not even go for 800k. What if she is a total cold biyatch CBJ starfish? I can pay those kind of prices in the US without having to pay for airfare and an apartment for a week.

I realize we all have differnt expectations while mongering. I have never paid more than $150 USD in Colombia for full-on girlfriend experience with photos and video with what I deem very hot chicas. They may not be Car Audio model-type chicas, but I've been very satisfied to say the least.[/QUOTE]Ahh OK I see now the point, valid point, but sometimes you just can't find that girl nowhere else, In all nightclubs is the same, all agencies also, and I have made real good friends on those medios, sometimes is just very hard to find the gems, especially if we lock of confidence, style, game and time. But 150US dlls is very good even for agency prices, so is all part of the investment as I can see the panorama. Sometimes we are lucky, sometimes we get screwed, it happens, and is like a payment Karma thing, but is not smart at all when it happens all the time =) , If an agency screwed you ones that's it, they do it on regular basis and you can't be that dummy to keep using them.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1498228]I'm trying to get my head around some recent posts. At bottom, John opines that he has access to the creme de la creme of the girls in Medellin, while acknowledging that Ricker, with his limitations, sometimes finds the gem, but obviously can't afford the best, like John does. This whole colloquy is way to close to the "my dick is bigger than yours" boasting. The fact is that there are gems everywhere in Medellin. What separates one from a meaningful relationship with a "gem" is not the wallet, but the heart. My assumption is that, biologically and emotionally, we would find sex much more pleasurable with an "8" that wants to give pleasure to sex with a mechanical "10."

I've been lucky enough to be able to provide several girls in Medellin with scholarships. I know about their lives, have met their families. And each of their mamas line up to invite me for dinner. All I feel is love from these girls, and their families. Sure, I've had some disappointments. A couple of the girls have not taken advantage of this opportunity, and dropped out of their respective universities. That hurt my heart bad, but no regrets about spending the money; that was my choice and I give with a giving heart.

My point is simply this: It's easier to light one candle than to curse the darkness. Obviously not everyone is in a position to do what I do, nor do they approach life as I do. We all decide to do what we do, and our attitude in our relationships with others. And, it's not all about spending large sums of money. It takes time and an interest in improving a girl's life; it's more than the lowest price for the most desirable service provider for a few hours or a night. Just think about it. Would you rather have passionate sex or passionate sex with intimacy? The choice is each of ours.

Only good energy, amigos.

Oh, and there will be at least one Paisa that will cry when you die, because she knew that you cared about her / them.[/QUOTE]I like your style too. I can't be that person, I make good friends of course but don't want to be involved that deep, I'm traumatized if you will, but is very respectful and in my opinion would do a lot more positive impact people like you, too bad I can't be, So I still choosing passionate sex either way they want to provide to me, when is "intimacy" sex as you call it I always wishing "please be faked" I will die and nobody will cry for me for sure, but is OK. When I'll get rich and be able to support students beside my relatives I will do it very happily. In the mean time I pay, or not, but with out those strings. Paying is good for them too, for the economies and for the release of bad energy as you call.
YOu are a Good Man, my respects for you and keep giving a better name to our bad reputation.

[QUOTE=John; 1498230]You can roll around the words as you wish but you clearly stated that I am benefiting from Helping any on this board.

Your words clearly That I am getting a cut from these Girls. It's most definitely not true.

Now you want to take your words back. As I said before to each his Own. Of course I can't make you take your words back. But this shows the quality of the thinking process you have.[/QUOTE]If I read you wrong then my mistake, but:

[QUOTE=John;1498125]Anyways to those of you who are willing to spend money you may PM me.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a guy who is saying "I've got the chicas, they ain't cheap, but if you are looking to spend some big bucks then let's talk." Do pimps not talk like this, LOL?

There was a guy in the Cali forum named Olympus a few weeks ago who had the exact same sales pitch. But if these introductions are all being done from the kindness of your heart (cough), then clearly we've gotten you all wrong.

Are we to help each other or to ***** and fucking moan?

I am getting pretty sick of visiting here and seeing fuck nothing for information and lots of infighting over trivial shit or vague "accomplishments" or who's ruining what for other mongerers.

Collectively, we are all ruining this board.

I have been pleased to see the Lists board being updated with a bit of useful information, but I am sure it won't take long for the bickering to spread there at this rate.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt; 1498249]Are we to help each other or to * and fucking moan?

I am getting pretty sick of visiting here and seeing fuck nothing for information and lots of infighting over trivial shit or vague "accomplishments" or who's ruining what for other mongerers.

Collectively, we are all ruining this board.

I have been pleased to see the Lists board being updated with a bit of useful information, but I am sure it won't take long for the bickering to spread there at this rate.[/QUOTE]
True, let's change gears, I think John gave us a valuable inside that is not touched often and is not for the most. But here some question that could be useful.

Going to Fase Dos I saw some little spinners around the corner, they look like SW, some of them where very doable looking, Last trip I saw them too but they where very bad looking, I heard they are working. Can you guys comment about them? Are they dangerous? (talking about rip off pimps and stuff) Is being longg since I pick a good girl from the streets, I felt like part of a lier Hollywood movie where SW are hot. Thanks guys

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1498228]I'm trying to get my head around some recent posts. At bottom, John opines that he has access to the creme de la creme of the girls in Medellin, while acknowledging that Ricker, with his limitations, sometimes finds the gem, but obviously can't afford the best, like John does. This whole colloquy is way to close to the "my dick is bigger than yours" boasting. The fact is that there are gems everywhere in Medellin. What separates one from a meaningful relationship with a "gem" is not the wallet, but the heart. My assumption is that, biologically and emotionally, we would find sex much more pleasurable with an "8" that wants to give pleasure to sex with a mechanical "10."

I've been lucky enough to be able to provide several girls in Medellin with scholarships. I know about their lives, have met their families. And each of their mamas line up to invite me for dinner. All I feel is love from these girls, and their families. Sure, I've had some disappointments. A couple of the girls have not taken advantage of this opportunity, and dropped out of their respective universities. That hurt my heart bad, but no regrets about spending the money; that was my choice and I give with a giving heart.

My point is simply this: It's easier to light one candle than to curse the darkness. Obviously not everyone is in a position to do what I do, nor do they approach life as I do. We all decide to do what we do, and our attitude in our relationships with others. And, it's not all about spending large sums of money. It takes time and an interest in improving a girl's life; it's more than the lowest price for the most desirable service provider for a few hours or a night. Just think about it. Would you rather have passionate sex or passionate sex with intimacy? The choice is each of ours.

Only good energy, amigos.

Oh, and there will be at least one Paisa that will cry when you die, because she knew that you cared about her / them.[/QUOTE]I really like this post, I agree with your philosophy on how to treat these girls in Medellin and spreading good energy vibes. I have never been involved with a girl in such depth as you have, but whenever I find a girl that I make a connection with I am sure to tip generously. I think it is always necessary to remember that these girls are human and have feelings. I think giving extra is a great way to show your appreciation.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt; 1498249]Are we to help each other or to * and fucking moan?

I am getting pretty sick of visiting here and seeing fuck nothing for information and lots of infighting over trivial shit or vague "accomplishments" or who's ruining what for other mongerers.

Collectively, we are all ruining this board.

I have been pleased to see the Lists board being updated with a bit of useful information, but I am sure it won't take long for the bickering to spread there at this rate.[/QUOTE]The Colombian forum, esp the Medellin thread is an angry place a lot of the time. One blow hard leaves or mellows and another one comes along and fills his place. I couldn't stomach reading the whole John rant. Then you have several rebuts to it, keeping it (the rant) alive and breathing. I just want to see John's (I'm better than you rant) slide down and out of sight.

And he had the gall to knock our beloved Ricker, now that's crossing a line.

Wilt, you put forth some great info and a few others do as well, that's what keeps this board relevant. And lately some nice pics have been posted and I don't mean John's magazine cut-outs. I would hope that all of us could post more chica info (pics!) and offer stories about Medellin and it's beautiful pussy. It's not that hard to take a few pics of the babes.

Done? Not quite.

Ricker, don't lower yourself, anyone w/ a brain here already knows you have style and taste. Like you said to me earlier, don't sweat the small stuff.

[QUOTE=Socker;1498278]Ricker, don't lower yourself, anyone w/ a brain here already knows you have style and taste. Like you said to me earlier, don't sweat the small stuff.[/QUOTE]What, what?

Did someone 'dis' me? LOL.

Hey we've all got our own style and taste, and I just don't have the desire for drama.

I'm back in Brazil and got some Brasileiras to catch up with, no time for the negative blah blah.

Happy times amigos, cause it goes by quickly.

[QUOTE=Dealdo; 1498192]Now the gringo theory: We gringos f. Ck up most of the play in any city we step on, that is a fact and won't change easily until our government and bankers finish with us and our over seas trips. You can go back in time and will see what a beautiful Mongering paradise was Russia, Argentina, Prague, Rio etc etc.

I was lucky enough to be there before the avalanche of gringos showed up. There were even model type girls working the streets of Moscow and La Roustic in Buenos Aires in it's Basement had a Club where the actual TV stars where escorting. Now you have to be a Millionaire to get access to them.[/QUOTE]I totally disagree. You're looking at the effects of better economies, not an influx of gringos. The best time to monger in those places was when the local currencies were weak and the economies were in turmoil. Not only did the dollar go farther, but there were more desperate women. Violence was also a consideration in Medellin. I met a couple of women in the late 1990's who wanted me to whisk them back to the USA because they wanted to live in a safe environment.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;1498344]I totally disagree. You're looking at the effects of better economies, not an influx of gringos. The best time to monger in those places was when the local currencies were weak and the economies were in turmoil. Not only did the dollar go farther, but there were more desperate women. Violence was also a consideration in Medellin. I met a couple of women in the late 1990's who wanted me to whisk them back to the USA because they wanted to live in a safe environment.[/QUOTE]Dealdo's observation is accurate but I wholeheartedly agree with Tiny's assessment. Well said.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt; 1498249]Are we to help each other or to * and fucking moan?

I am getting pretty sick of visiting here and seeing fuck nothing for information and lots of infighting over trivial shit or vague "accomplishments" or who's ruining what for other mongerers.

Collectively, we are all ruining this board.

I have been pleased to see the Lists board being updated with a bit of useful information, but I am sure it won't take long for the bickering to spread there at this rate.[/QUOTE]My thoughts exactly.

I know I am not a senior member with thousands of posts but, let's get back to the purpose of this board. Sharing intel on getting laid. I'm returning in January and this time I am staying for about two weeks. I value this site for the knowledge it gives to us that are somewhat new to certain area's. I have been to Colombia often and almost always it was to spend time with my girl and didn't have the luxury to venture around and enjoy what Colombia has to offer. Hot hot hot Women that can be had for a few US dollars. I live in Miami and if you want a hot piece of Latina ass here you will pay $$ or more for just an hour. So I thoroughly plan on enjoying my first time visiting Colombia as a single 30 something year old gringo.

I have ventured to Barranquilla quite frequently over the years and only spent 1 very quick 4 days in Medellin recently. I value all of your opinions when it comes to places to visit and places to avoid. I am not very fluent in espanol PERO yo entiendo poco, escribe poco, why habla poco. I know enough to survive and enough to keep myself out of trouble. What I don't have is the inside knowledge of places to enjoy if I venture around solo. What prices I should pay, times to visit specific location, etc. For guys like me we greatly appreciate coming here and learning from your experiences. That is afterall what this page is for. I am a member of USASexguide and I enjoy the intel we share for my area. Miami can be a ***** when it comes to escorts, massage parlors, and street walkers. PD is always ruining a day for most mongers and working girls. So to enjoy a place like Colombia where I can easily kick back and walk into a place and not worry about a bust from local PD is a pleasure.

I know some of you have favorite locations and some just straight up dislike other mongers and establishments for your personal reasons but let's all just enjoy what we are doing. Meeting beautiful Latin women and getting laid. I am not rich and don't have money to blow every day so a good bargain and knowing prices helps me plan a trip. Of course things change but it's nice to be prepared.

Thanks to those that made the List board come alive with locations and prices. It helps a lot. I look up to you senior members for helping us younger guys. So let's put this back and forth crap behind us and move forward with good intel and sharing experiences.

Can someone help me? I'm in Medellin for a week and this city is huge. I want to switch hotels and stay close to mongering locations. I'm staying in a very nice side of town and can't get out like I want to. This city is huge and no one speaks English. The cab drivers will rip you off if they get a chance and the strip club I visited last night was in a ghetto. I was not impressed with any of the line up and felt like this place has been a waste of my time. The everyday women I met are pretty, but I can only go so far with my limited Spanish. Are there any mongers out there that want to meet up? I can't find any of the daytime mongering places on the list provided in a previous forum. I asked a cab driver to take me to liquid lounge and he said he never heard of it. I don't have a cell, so I may need to buy one but I'm only here for one week. I thought about calling an escort, but with limited Spanish it won't work. On a side note this city really is nice and I wouldn't mind living here a couple months out the year during retirement. Gringos can completely blend into society. I really need some help mongering shouldn't be this hard. LOL

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;1498344]I totally disagree. You're looking at the effects of better economies, not an influx of gringos. The best time to monger in those places was when the local currencies were weak and the economies were in turmoil. Not only did the dollar go farther, but there were more desperate women. Violence was also a consideration in Medellin. I met a couple of women in the late 1990's who wanted me to whisk them back to the USA because they wanted to live in a safe environment.[/QUOTE]Not necessary, If you go back in time the best times in BUenos Aires for example and when La Roustic was in it's highest point was Before "El corralito" and the collapse of their economy, Peso Argentino was One To One. Same thing in Rio, who doesn't remember "Help" (not existing any more) or Cafe Foto, or Gruta Azul in Porto Alegre (before the new rip off costume of them) , Real Brasileiro was One To One. And those where the best times to find cuties out of this world and prices where half than now on those places.
In Moscow things didn't change much for the general population, the poor still very poor and Dollar won't make better their lives, we all know that we don't go there to make better their lives, but to squish the last drop of Oil, Uranium and Diamonds. Escorts hell yeah, they can get richer and mechanical and that affect us directly but the rest strangle just like Latin Americans or Asian and Africans do.
Not everything is black and withe, But I wasn't talking about economics at all. Just the nostalgia of more local flavor and better services everywhere, people with more identity and culture. But this can't be a reason to get mad or so, just my point of view, We gringos make things going down the drain we did it in our own country, that's why we try to escape from that sex slavery we created for us, we are just to proud to accept it, not me I don't blind myself and always open to correct my bad interpretation if I'm proved wrong, no problem at all, because nobody dies of that . So maybe I'm absolutely wrong.

Ok now an updating about the most loved girl in the forum,

I just talked to Geraldine very quickly, She denies she is pregnant an she is retiring, So good news for all her fans, She still in the business but cutting off FB where probably started the rumor, well, I love when they get annoyed of that dramatic page, I don't dig it much either and I understand why she is tired and sick of it, so humanizing the communications she still using her phone for the lucky dudes are in town and can reach her. Don't get mad if she doesn't answer, is just not your lucky time she also turn it off to take a break. If you are a regular I would recommend to text her to not being ignored. Good luck

Both factors are valid.

I would say the biggest factor is the standard of living of the average person where we are mongering. If the local economy is really bad, obviously the women will tend to give it up for much less.

Having said that, if a large concentration of tourist mongers is present in a certain area, we tend to big up prices, sometimes significantly. This can be seen in the difference in pricing for Centro termas vs Zona Sul termas in Rio. Or Poblado / P. Lleras prices vs Laureles prices in Medellin.

It must be said that alot of tourist mongers aren't too bright ("dumb American"). How many times have you heard,"I'd pay $300 in the US, so $100 isn't that much."? Well yes, but the average person in the US makes several times what the average person makes in Country X, Y, or Z.

IMO, any foreigner that goes to Medellin, Rio, etc and is paying the kind of prices that John refers to is asking for trouble. The chica is going to tell her friends (including her guy friends) how much money you're throwing around. And that is going to make you a target. $100 is a shitload of money in MDE. As much as many folks make in a month. There are lots of local banditos who will kill for $100.

Like many here, I could easily afford to pay these chicas way more than the "going rate." However, I think it's idiotic to do so. Not because I'm saving a few dollars. But because I'm inviting trouble by acting like a big shot in a foreign country.

And regarding travel. Alot (but clearly not all) of these girls could care less about going to Machu Picchu or wherever. They'd rather be home with their Paisas listening to Reggaeton.

Also, I've met Ricker. The girls love him. The really hot ones included. I'll take his POV any day over some guy offering to set me up with his "private stash" for 1st World prices.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;1498344]I totally disagree. You're looking at the effects of better economies, not an influx of gringos. The best time to monger in those places was when the local currencies were weak and the economies were in turmoil. Not only did the dollar go farther, but there were more desperate women. Violence was also a consideration in Medellin. I met a couple of women in the late 1990's who wanted me to whisk them back to the USA because they wanted to live in a safe environment.[/QUOTE]

Girl from La Isla, [B]Juliana[/B] Speaks excellent english. Interestingly, she speaks with a "british" accent. She is from Pereira. Took her out on TLN on Tuesday night. She is pretty. 24, 5' 4", very fair skinned. Almost looks Russian / eastern european. She is all natural. She likes to dance and smoke weed. Most importantly, an energetic and enthusiastic lay.

I have recently seen someone ask about english speaking girls. If you want one, She is it.

[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1498475]Girl from La Isla, [B]Juliana[/B] Speaks excellent english. Interestingly, she speaks with a "british" accent. She is from Pereira. Took her out on TLN on Tuesday night. She is pretty. 24, 5' 4", very fair skinned. Almost looks Russian / eastern european. She is all natural. She likes to dance and smoke weed. Most importantly, an energetic and enthusiastic lay.

I have recently seen someone ask about english speaking girls. If you want one, She is it.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. If someone wants to meet her just PM me and I can give you her cell.

[QUOTE=Dealdo; 1498448]Ok now an updating about the most loved girl in the forum,

I just talked to Geraldine very quickly, She denies she is pregnant an she is retiring, So good news for all her fans, She still in the business but cutting off FB where probably started the rumor, well, I love when they get annoyed of that dramatic page, I don't dig it much either and I understand why she is tired and sick of it, so humanizing the communications she still using her phone for the lucky dudes are in town and can reach her. Don't get mad if she doesn't answer, is just not your lucky time she also turn it off to take a break. If you are a regular I would recommend to text her to not being ignored. Good luck[/QUOTE]She either lied to one of us or took care of the situation. She specifically told us that, but maybe she was really upset temporarily and now feels better about things. I'll find out more when I get there next week.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1497175][i][b]noms de guerre (nm) [/b]

A fictitious name; a pseudonym[/i]

They were announcing the end of his fictitious name? I don't think you are using that word in the correct context. At least provide some useful info (on the original subject) intermingled with the shameless plug / promotion of your club, LOL.

This post is almost as bad as the one posted by Fruit Cake Ninja a few posts down.[/QUOTE]A sense of humor is a terrible thing to waste.

[QUOTE=Cali Hentai;1498479]I totally agree. If someone wants to meet her just PM me and I can give you her cell.[/QUOTE]Hello CH,

Could you be so kind as to pass me along Julia's # Sounds about my style. Other than going to La Isla. I hate cover charges! On principle! LOL.

Do you have a photo or link to her FB page? You had me at all natural and likes to smoke pot.

Thanks

[quote=dealdo; 1498254]true, let's change gears, i think john gave us a valuable inside that is not touched often and is not for the most. but here some question that could be useful.

going to fase dos i saw some little spinners around the corner, they look like sw, some of them where very doable looking, last trip i saw them too but they where very bad looking, i heard they are working. can you guys comment about them? are they dangerous? (talking about rip off pimps and stuff) is being longg since i pick a good girl from the streets, i felt like part of a lier hollywood movie where sw are hot. thanks guys[/quote]hi, dealdo, i was at fase recently also and impressed by the overall talent, even if there weren't any 10s. out of 20 girls i thought more than half were doable, several 8s in the mix.

as for the sws, yes, they congregate near f2 / premium plaza. you can catch them on 30 and 33. also near plaza botero / museo de antioquia. also the unmarked casas (late night action, after 12) have similar girls.

i would compare the sw scene to shopping at ross dress for less. 95% of what is there (and sometimes 100%) is junk, factory seconds, defective merchandise, dirty clothes or stuff that doesn't have anything wrong with it but is just ugly and undesirable to most people. but that means there are some gems to be found for cheap. you just have to look carefully! there seem to be fewer **** girls on the street than there used to be, but there are still plenty of them out there. you also get a lot of transvestites, obviously. you find girls who live on the street essentially and they are in poor health, often huffing sacol (strong glue / adhesive). that said, there are also a lot of girls who just do it part time or otherwise cannot work in casas (age issues or other factors) that are healthy, inexpensive and eager to please. i would not be overly concerned with being robbed or anything, it's always a remote possibility but no more distinct with a street girl imo. what day did you go? i do like spinners lol. there are a couple groups of them that hang out around san diego, one of them is like a family. there is the oldest one and then her half sister and two cousins. i forget their names, nicol, isabel and two others. i would wager they are all not of age though, that's the biggest concern, that and overall health.

[QUOTE=Av8r;1498535]She either lied to one of us or took care of the situation. She specifically told us that, but maybe she was really upset temporarily and now feels better about things. I'll find out more when I get there next week.[/QUOTE]A prostitute who is erratic, inconsistent and willing to lie about something major for attention? You don't say! .

[QUOTE=Combo; 1498456]Both factors are valid.

I would say the biggest factor is the standard of living of the average person where we are mongering. If the local economy is really bad, obviously the women will tend to give it up for much less.

Having said that, if a large concentration of tourist mongers is present in a certain area, we tend to big up prices, sometimes significantly. This can be seen in the difference in pricing for Centro termas vs Zona Sul termas in Rio. Or Poblado / P. Lleras prices vs Laureles prices in Medellin.

It must be said that alot of tourist mongers aren't too bright ("dumb American"). How many times have you heard,"I'd pay $300 in the US, so $100 isn't that much."? Well yes, but the average person in the US makes several times what the average person makes in Country X, Y, or Z.

IMO, any foreigner that goes to Medellin, Rio, etc and is paying the kind of prices that John refers to is asking for trouble. The chica is going to tell her friends (including her guy friends) how much money you're throwing around. And that is going to make you a target. $100 is a shitload of money in MDE. As much as many folks make in a month. There are lots of local banditos who will kill for $100.

Like many here, I could easily afford to pay these chicas way more than the "going rate." However, I think it's idiotic to do so. Not because I'm saving a few dollars. But because I'm inviting trouble by acting like a big shot in a foreign country.

And regarding travel. Alot (but clearly not all) of these girls could care less about going to Machu Picchu or wherever. They'd rather be home with their Paisas listening to Reggaeton.

Also, I've met Ricker. The girls love him. The really hot ones included. I'll take his POV any day over some guy offering to set me up with his "private stash" for 1st World prices.[/QUOTE]Right, Colombians still set the prices in the overwhelming majority of establishments here. Just go a few times and you will see that 90% of clients are Colombians. The local economy sets both the supply and demand sides. The flipside of that is that foreigners should be more observant and pay what the locals are paying more often. I don't think it's "inviting trouble" to pay more, but it's not necessary. I always say pay the standard rate, tip fairly for extras and great service.

The travel thing, just think about it, if you were comfortable, having fun and making money, what would the point be of traveling on someone else's terms so they can rail you three times a day while dragging you wherever they are going? The other end of that is that you should only take a girl you really feel comfortable with. Traveling with a girl is great but don't be pressed to do it. If she is not into it, just back off, it's best for both of you. Don't keep throwing money and pressure at the problem, you won't have a good result. If the girl actually likes you and wants to go where you're going, she won't give a shit about the terms outside of maybe some logistical stuff (paying babysitters, bills, whatever).

[QUOTE=Socker; 1498278]The Colombian forum, esp the Medellin thread is an angry place a lot of the time. One blow hard leaves or mellows and another one comes along and fills his place. I couldn't stomach reading the whole John rant. Then you have several rebuts to it, keeping it (the rant) alive and breathing. I just want to see John's (I'm better than you rant) slide down and out of sight.

And he had the gall to knock our beloved Ricker, now that's crossing a line.

Wilt, you put forth some great info and a few others do as well, that's what keeps this board relevant. And lately some nice pics have been posted and I don't mean John's magazine cut-outs. I would hope that all of us could post more chica info (pics!) and offer stories about Medellin and it's beautiful pussy. It's not that hard to take a few pics of the babes.

Done? Not quite.

Ricker, don't lower yourself, anyone w / a brain here already knows you have style and taste. Like you said to me earlier, don't sweat the small stuff.[/QUOTE]I continue to be amazed at some of the discussions on this board. I used to engage in these back and forth rants before I realized what a waste of time it was and because it was just an energy sink with nothing to show at the end, beyond being a bit angry. What I have discovered is whether it be MDE, Thailand, Rio, Philippines, Costa Rica, etc, we ALL roll differently, we ALL have different means, and we ALL have different experiences we seek. I am in a good place now where I just focus on what I want to get out of it without worrying about what others might think about it. Perhaps if this board ever returns to simply exchanging information among friends, I might start sharing more of what I have learned during my travels. Until then, I will just keep my thoughts to myself because SOMEONE is sure to take exception to it and feel the need to attack it. Off to Thailand and MDE in about 10 days, but will just keep my experiences to myself. Happy Holidaze Everyone!

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1498576]The travel thing, just think about it, if you were comfortable, having fun and making money, what would the point be of traveling on someone else's terms so they can rail you three times a day while dragging you wherever they are going? The other end of that is that you should only take a girl you really feel comfortable with. Traveling with a girl is great but don't be pressed to do it. If she is not into it, just back off, it's best for both of you. Don't keep throwing money and pressure at the problem, you won't have a good result. If the girl actually likes you and wants to go where you're going, she won't give a shit about the terms outside of maybe some logistical stuff (paying babysitters, bills, whatever).[/QUOTE]Very well put

This forum is useless. I'm coming across more freebies than working girls. WTF! The one thing about freebies I don't like is investing time. I got bored at the hotel yesterday and visited a gym around the corner. I pulled 1 chica's number for a little one-on-one, but I don't have a freakin' phone. LOL. If I could fluently speak Spanish this place would be heaven. The women are far more open to dating foreigners as opposed to other Latin-American countries. Can anyone recommend one daytime place to monger with 7's and 8's. One night time spot to monger with 9's and 10's. The places I have visited don't even come close to the talent I see on a daily basis walking the street.

Thanks

[quote=wiltthestilt; 1498572]hi, dealdo, i was at fase recently also and impressed by the overall talent, even if there weren't any 10s. out of 20 girls i thought more than half were doable, several 8s in the mix.

as for the sws, yes, they congregate near f2 / premium plaza. you can catch them on 30 and 33. also near plaza botero / museo de antioquia. also the unmarked casas (late night action, after 12) have similar girls.

i would compare the sw scene to shopping at ross dress for less. 95% of what is there (and sometimes 100%) is junk, factory seconds, defective merchandise, dirty clothes or stuff that doesn't have anything wrong with it but is just ugly and undesirable to most people. but that means there are some gems to be found for cheap. you just have to look carefully! there seem to be fewer **** girls on the street than there used to be, but there are still plenty of them out there. you also get a lot of transvestites, obviously. you find girls who live on the street essentially and they are in poor health, often huffing sacol (strong glue / adhesive). that said, there are also a lot of girls who just do it part time or otherwise cannot work in casas (age issues or other factors) that are healthy, inexpensive and eager to please. i would not be overly concerned with being robbed or anything, it's always a remote possibility but no more distinct with a street girl imo. what day did you go? i do like spinners lol. there are a couple groups of them that hang out around san diego, one of them is like a family. there is the oldest one and then her half sister and two cousins. i forget their names, nicol, isabel and two others. i would wager they are all not of age though, that's the biggest concern, that and overall health.[/quote]thanks a lot bro, i was to comment also about heir age, but is real hard to see the difference in medellin, a lot of them are super small and they look way younger, obviously we can't ask for their i'd to the sw, so i think i will stay away from them, healthy and age issues just raise the red flag on.

it was friday about 11:00 pm when i saw them, a couple them very cute, i was wondering why they weren't working in fase, being so close. i was to meet my "russian" girl at fase that's why i didn't stop. i could have better intel now to share. if you get some good action there let us know please.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1498573]A prostitute who is erratic, inconsistent and willing to lie about something major for attention? You don't say! .[/QUOTE]Jaja. Yes wonders never cease, but she definitely was.

[QUOTE=Av8r;1498657]Jaja. Yes wonders never cease, but she definitely was.[/QUOTE]Well yes, she may be laying to one of us, that is just normal in most girls, You know girls can be voluble, bipolar etc. She is a real good girl to me, but that doesn't stop her for still being a girl with all the dramas and inconsistencies they have, the important thing is that ToDay she feels like keep working we may catch her or not, that is the beauty also of this game, I will cut off my veins if I would get mad because of the way they are, I have lost so many chances of scoring 10s just because of their instability, but how good it is when you get them in their best mood. I may get mad sometimes but I still love them the way they are (For one hour or some =)

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777; 1498565]Hello CH,

Could you be so kind as to pass me along Julia's # Sounds about my style. Other than going to La Isla. I hate cover charges! On principle! LOL.

Do you have a photo or link to her FB page? You had me at all natural and likes to smoke pot.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Slam, I hope Cali Hentai sent you her number. Since I made the original post, let me add that it is highly unlikely that she will come see you outside of La Isla multa system. The first time you see her. When she worked at Fase II, she came out to meet for dinner and fun, the second time. Also, we did a double date then.

[B]Caro (Carolina) [/B]. She is 19/20, cute face. 5' 4" and has a great all natural body. She has a kid but you cannot tell. Flat abs and tits are firm. Clearly, genetically blessed :-D. The best part is that she is very sweet and very accommodative may be because she is new to the business. It was her first TLN and she did not know how much to charge. She enjoys light drinking and smoked with me for the first time. It was fun to watch her experience her first joint.

Another one, [B]Manuela[/B] is sweeter than Caro (if that is possible) , 23, petite at 5' 0" is arguably my favourite on this trip. She is 90- 95 lbs. I know because I picked her up a few times :-D. She is also all natural and a great pole dancer, which is rare among Colombians. She is a true spinner with a six-pack and a show stopper on the stage at La Isla. The tight package is hard to miss but I also have her phone number. Before you ask, I am not sure about FB as I am not a big FBooker so I generally do not enquire.

Neither of these two sweet girls speak english, both are new and first time TLN for both of them. [B]Manuela[/B] cuddled and spooned all night, which is priceless. You can't pay somebody to do that! It either happens or it does not. She also stayed till 8 AM as she does not have kids at home.

[QUOTE=LookingToSwing4;1498578]What I have discovered is whether it be MDE, Thailand, Rio, Philippines, Costa Rica, etc, we ALL roll differently, we ALL have different means, and we ALL have different experiences we seek.[/QUOTE]Well said Looking.

This is something I keep in mind in as I read this board and others. I would add, and it has been mentioned in other posts: Your appearance and more importantly your personality can also help / hinder the experiences you seek. Just like in any culture, a charming personality can go a long way.

Even in the argumentative back and forth posts, I have learned a lot about the country, the city, the customs and the paisas where I will soon make my first visit. Being a veteran of Brasil, the Philippines, Costa Rica and Thailand, I can say the information in the various threads on the Colombia board is equally as helpful as info on those boards. In some cases, the Google maps and info there in, is especially informative.

The conversations on this particular thread have been illuminating and helpful in broadening my knowledge. It has taken me down unexpected paths and brought forth information that may be buried deep in other threads.

Some Colombia newbies, like me, may be researching and concerned mostly about the facts. But I would tell them, don't get annoyed by the heated discussions in this thread. Ignore the personal attacks, but read the thread because you should find something useful, especially if you are starting with little to zero knowledge base.

Thanks all for sharing your knowledge.

[QUOTE=Dealdo;1498688]Well yes, she may be laying to one of us, that is just normal in most girls, You know girls can be voluble, bipolar etc. She is a real good girl to me, but that doesn't stop her for still being a girl with all the dramas and inconsistencies they have, the important thing is that ToDay she feels like keep working we may catch her or not, that is the beauty also of this game, I will cut off my veins if I would get mad because of the way they are, I have lost so many chances of scoring 10s just because of their instability, but how good it is when you get them in their best mood. I may get mad sometimes but I still love them the way they are (For one hour or some =)[/QUOTE]This is my view as well. They are what they are, it's best to understand and accept these characteristics or find another hobby.

While friends w / Geraldine on fb in the last few months she would lament about this or that. Such as,"why do I do this to myself" or "God please help me out of this difficulty". So she is struggling w / her life at times.

She's not the only one though. I hear some sad stories from time to time. I just tell them to do the best they can. I know of one beauty that quit the trade and is now pumping gas. She has long days & crazy hours at the gas station. She's been doing this for about a year now. Needless to say she is still very poor but she is a normal (whatever that means) lady again, I talk w / her now and then and have sent her some funds but I can't expect her to come and see me at the Castillo because she is still very vulnerable I'm sure. If she sees me for at the Castillo, she has to check in, go to the room, just in her old life as a hooker, she knows that is not possible and we don't talk about it, it's just not going to happen. So we're just friends w / a short life span I'm sure. The poorer ladies of Colombia just have a real tough life, the government, the police, they could give a shit about them. Geraldine is just one of many many Colombianas.

On a different note, thanks for the info on the FLs near Fase Dos, this is good info indeed!

Best to all, Happy Thanksgiving and Happy Hunting for your next bird.

On my first trip to MDE, I came across this casa (Blue Room) by accident since the driver had no idea where Energy was and took me here instead. It's priced like Energy, I believe it was 100K for an hr. Anyone has address info on this as I plan on going back there when I land in MDE this weekend. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;1498770]On my first trip to MDE, I came across this casa (Blue Room) by accident since the driver had no idea where Energy was and took me here instead. It's priced like Energy, I believe it was 100K for an hr. Anyone has address info on this as I plan on going back there when I land in MDE this weekend. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]The Energy address is in the Medellin list section. I am surprised the cabbie did not know it. It is near the stadium.

[QUOTE=Dealdo; 1498647]Thanks a lot Bro, I was to comment also about heir age, but is real hard to see the difference in Medellin, a lot of them are super small and they look way younger, obviously we can't ask for their I'd to the SW, so I think I will stay away from them, healthy and age issues just raise the red flag on.

It was Friday about 11:00 PM when I saw them, a couple them very cute, I was wondering why they weren't working in Fase, being so close. I was to meet my "Russian" girl at Fase that's why I didn't stop. I could have better intel now to share. If you get some good action there let us know please.[/QUOTE]Why can't you ask for their I'd? That seems reasonable and if you want to take them to a hotel they will likely need it, even a fuck motel. A lot of them arent working in clubs because it doesn't convene for them, also the clubs are kind of picky and overly strict, especially a place like F2.

I have other thoughts on this matter but I don't want to tread on any shaky ground here. If you have questions, feel free to inbox me.

I know exactly what you mean, me and a buddy who came to visit used to play an age guessing game. They were lots of 19s who looked 13 and a good number of 15s who looked 20. Some girls are petite for a long time, some fill out fast and look mature.

Was this "Russian" girl a fair skinned blonde with pretty full C cups? Real name is Diana Catalina? If so, I know her, nice one.

I have also found some unmarked casas that are open at night. I forget if I mentioned that. Some old timer put me onto them but they were closed on Monday. I will go back on the weekend. Looking at their exterior and setup, I am guessing they are not for the faint of heart.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt; 1498782]Why can't you ask for their I'd? That seems reasonable and if you want to take them to a hotel they will likely need it, even a fuck motel. A lot of them arent working in clubs because it doesn't convene for them, also the clubs are kind of picky and overly strict, especially a place like F2.

I have other thoughts on this matter but I don't want to tread on any shaky ground here. If you have questions, feel free to inbox me.

I know exactly what you mean, me and a buddy who came to visit used to play an age guessing game. They were lots of 19s who looked 13 and a good number of 15s who looked 20. Some girls are petite for a long time, some fill out fast and look mature.

Was this "Russian" girl a fair skinned blonde with pretty full C cups? Real name is Diana Catalina? If so, I know her, nice one.

I have also found some unmarked casas that are open at night. I forget if I mentioned that. Some old timer put me onto them but they were closed on Monday. I will go back on the weekend. Looking at their exterior and setup, I am guessing they are not for the faint of heart.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot, you gave us a very useful info here, Yes I forgot, in Colombia most girls carry with them their "cedulas" great point, I have worked the streets in Brasil and using love hotels in many other countries and many of them do not ask for I'd to the girls. Is like they already know them or so. Brasil was the last place where I pick up a super hot chick at La Farrapos and they didn't ask for anything, nor to me, only pay and go. So I'm pretty rusty on this game. I think I will fallow your advise and will take a shot there.
Ahh the Russian girl, I think we are talking about a different "Russian" the girl I talk about is Veronica, petite, very cute round face, almond eyes, very blond silky straight hair, very eastern European style, perfect sun tanning, super firm body, flat abs, toned legs, perfect perky small pinky breast, adorable smile, (hahaha this MF is in love right?) and great in bed.. Real name? I don't remember she told me and I forgot But Is not Svetlana hahaha, but maybe is Catalina, fck this memory,, any ways, Veronica, she is one of my favorite "Skinny" girls, BUT she is not American skinny type OK, so guys do not get your hopes hight, she has pretty proportionated curves not an American stick.. Recommendable BUT she doesn't kiss.. be warned.

Those unmarked houses, yes, I have been in those kind too, my taxista used to take us to plenty of those all night gloomy places, most of the time we got there waking up people and starting the small party with the badly make up girls, all sleepy and stuff, poor girls, many of them were 5s. 6s and couple 7s but at that time anything above 5 was good hahaha. Mamasans are used to drunk party beasts so they offer you right away a bottle or agua ardiente, or anything at very reasonable prices, they put music and chicks do their best to entertain. I found this venue kind of interesting, and different, after few drinks and couple dances you feel like your average girl is the most sexy and fun creature and you are more than ready to take her, especially if you have drunken most of the night. But like you I was completely lost and had no idea were I was. Hopefully you can find out the addresses and share your next experience there.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;1498770]On my first trip to MDE, I came across this casa (Blue Room) by accident since the driver had no idea where Energy was and took me here instead. It's priced like Energy, I believe it was 100K for an hr. Anyone has address info on this as I plan on going back there when I land in MDE this weekend. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]On my last trip some friends were raving about Blue Room [url]http://casablueroom.com/[/url] But haven't been there myself. I'm not a big casa guy, as I prefer the more freelancer system. I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but there are a couple of late night places in walking distance of Liquid in Barrio Colombia. El Tunel which I think just closed, but 5th Floor is open and had some freelancers mulling about. I have gone by there during slow periods at Liquid, and they have the occasional 8 but mostly 6's and 7's imo. Be prepared for a long climb. Guess how many floors.

[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1498709][B]Caro (Carolina) [/B]. She is 19/20, cute face. 5' 4" and has a great all natural body. She has a kid but you cannot tell. Flat abs and tits are firm. Clearly, genetically blessed :-D. The best part is that she is very sweet and very accommodative may be because she is new to the business. It was her first TLN and she did not know how much to charge. She enjoys light drinking and smoked with me for the first time. It was fun to watch her experience her first joint.

Another one, [B]Manuela[/B] Is sweeter than Caro (if that is possible) .23, petite at 5' 0" is arguably my favourite on this trip. She is 90- 95 lbs. I know because I picked her up a few times :-D. She is also all natural and a great pole dancer, which is rare among Colombians. She is a true spinner with a six-pack and a show stopper on the stage at La Isla. The tight package is hard to miss but I also have her phone number. Before you ask, I am not sure about FB as I am not a big FBooker so I generally do not enquire.

Neither of these two sweet girls speak english, both are new and first time TLN for both of them. [B]Manuela[/B] Cuddled and spooned all night, which is priceless. You can't pay somebody to do that! It either happens or it does not. She also stayed till 8 AM as she does not have kids at home.[/QUOTE]There must be more than one Manuela at La Isla. Your description of her is perfect except the Manuela I know does have a child and it wouldn't have been her first TLN. Jajaja

[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1498709][B]Caro (Carolina) [/B]. She is 19/20, cute face. 5' 4" and has a great all natural body. She has a kid but you cannot tell. Flat abs and tits are firm. Clearly, genetically blessed :-D. The best part is that she is very sweet and very accommodative may be because she is new to the business. It was her first TLN and she did not know how much to charge. She enjoys light drinking and smoked with me for the first time. It was fun to watch her experience her first joint.

Another one, [B]Manuela[/B] Is sweeter than Caro (if that is possible) .23, petite at 5' 0" is arguably my favourite on this trip. She is 90- 95 lbs. I know because I picked her up a few times :-D. She is also all natural and a great pole dancer, which is rare among Colombians. She is a true spinner with a six-pack and a show stopper on the stage at La Isla. The tight package is hard to miss but I also have her phone number. Before you ask, I am not sure about FB as I am not a big FBooker so I generally do not enquire.

Neither of these two sweet girls speak english, both are new and first time TLN for both of them. [B]Manuela[/B] Cuddled and spooned all night, which is priceless. You can't pay somebody to do that! It either happens or it does not. She also stayed till 8 AM as she does not have kids at home.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of a little tune [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtzIWPeun7c[/url] Them girls been working since Jr highschool age, And to paraphrase an AG comment "have swallowed gallons of cum"

Just returned from another month in Medellin, excellent trip. 3rd month this year. As usual, I used my guide Willi (best guide in Medellin google it) to guide me almost every day. Willi speaks excellent English and knows all my favorite spots and is always up on new ones. I am already looking for my tickets for my next visit. I love Medellin!

I finally got out to do some mongering. Caught a taxi from the hotel to energy. Taxi driver dropped me off at an address that looked like a abandon building. Taxi cost 8k = 4 USD. I walked inside to talk to the mamason. She showed me the line up, wasn't impressed a bunch of 7's. Grabbed the best looking one in my opinion a green eyed rubia. Nice buttle butt, however when she took her clothes off and you could see the bebe stretch marks. Mamason gave the the price of 85k for 30mins. According to the Medellin list I was over charged by 20k. First, she said noventa then she said ochenta. No need to walk out in protest because my taxi ride was gone and I wanted a quickie. So I gave the mamason 100k and she actually kept my change. Sad thing was I was so horny I didn't even care about. I later needed that 15k to catch the tax. I've noticed that Colombians like to keep change for uneven purchases. Wish I could finish this report but I got in at 3am. To be continued.

Cons: chupa con condom, can't handle above average size package,

Pros: The only women that sexo better than Colombian women are Brazilian women.

[QUOTE=TweedleD; 1499157]Reminds me of a little tune.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtzIWPeun7c[/url]

Them girls been working since Jr highschool age, And to paraphrase an AG comment "have swallowed gallons of cum"[/QUOTE]Great song from from a great band. Thanks for posting but I am sorry I missed how it is relevant to my original report with real intel? I sincerely hope you are not trying to discourage one of the handful of posters who actually posts reports in a reports thread :-D

[QUOTE=Cali Hentai;1499118]There must be more than one Manuela at La Isla. Your description of her is perfect except the Manuela I know does have a child and it wouldn't have been her first TLN. Jajaja[/QUOTE]I am almost certain that she does not have a child but it is possible. I know that she did not make a big deal about it as most with kids do. All I know is that she stayed late and I know for a fact it is her first TLN from La Isla. It is also likely that there is another Manuela.

[QUOTE=TweedleD; 1499157]Reminds me of a little tune.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtzIWPeun7c[/url]

Them girls been working since Jr highschool age, And to paraphrase an AG comment "have swallowed gallons of cum"[/QUOTE]Brown nosing AG are you? Yes you are! You won't get a discount though. The above is not one of your better post, the brown nosing part that is. Imo.

How about a moist towelette?

Not in my heaven (Medellin) but it's ugly cousin, Tijuana.

This head (BBBJ) was not easy to find. Mexicanas everywhere but they don't do bbbjs.

Found one that does.

Girls arrive to this at all different ages, not every single one of them is some cum guzzling **** who started on the streets at 14 and worked her way up.

I've had a chance to get to know some of these girls very, very well. They all have distinct stories. There was one who was a lesbian until age 19 when her girlfriend started hooking. She was pressured into selling her virginity. She has never fucked a guy where it hasn't been for money, not even once! There was another one that was kind of awkward and chubby, didn't start having sex until she was 17 (in relative terms that is like 30 in the US LOL) and around 19 she started to get really active sexually to experiment. Her sister (14 at the time) got pregnant and she hit the pavement hooking in Cartagena and San Andres to begin a promising career. Another girl I know was in some all girls school and didn't have a boyfriend until she got out. She had banged two guys before she started hooking and cried after every fuck for a few weeks (this was in some MP, you can imagine she did decent volume, too). Still another one I know was 23 when she started, she got divorced and was a single mom with nothing to do for money. These are all 100% confirmed stories, let alone the ones I've been told and have no idea if they are true or not.

And, of course, everyone has to start working at some point in a new place. Maybe you're not her first trick but could be her first in that place. That happens at the MPs, if you go often enough you know when a girl is new. That is probably what happened here, this guy didn't say he was the first person this girl fucked for money or even in that establishment, just that he was the first person to take her TLN. Did that really require a "classic" rock song and a quote from perhaps the most cynical monger among us? I don't think so. The guy submitted a legit report, you didn't have to be a dick about it.

I once asked this question of a working girl, she smiled and replied "I tell lies and fabricate fantasies"

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1499440]I once asked this question of a working girl, she smiled and replied "I tell lies and fabricate fantasies"[/QUOTE]So his fantasy is to be her first TLN client at a particular bar?

This is a case of truth minus fact. Were you just dying to raise the obvious fact that these women lie and feed into a man's ego for money? Isn't that pretty much the job description? It still has zero to do with the guy's report.

[quote=partypooper87; 1499336]i finally got out to do some mongering. caught a taxi from the hotel to energy. taxi driver dropped me off at an address that looked like a abandon building. taxi cost 8k = 4 usd. i walked inside to talk to the mamason. she showed me the line up, wasn't impressed a bunch of 7's. grabbed the best looking one in my opinion a green eyed rubia. nice buttle butt, however when she took her clothes off and you could see the bebe stretch marks. mamason gave the the price of 85k for 30mins. according to the medellin list i was over charged by 20k. first, she said noventa then she said ochenta. no need to walk out in protest because my taxi ride was gone and i wanted a quickie. so i gave the mamason 100k and she actually kept my change. sad thing was i was so horny i didn't even care about. i later needed that 15k to catch the tax. i've noticed that colombians like to keep change for uneven purchases. wish i could finish this report but i got in at 3am. to be continued.

cons: chupa con condom, can't handle above average size package,

pros: the only women that sexo better than colombian women are brazilian women.[/quote]dude, in five years, not one person has ever kept my change. why didn't you say something? that is borderline unheard of. the futzing around with the price is also somewhat surprising, usually the places have prices posted, especially an mp. that doesn't surprise me though, especially if it was slow and you were the only person there.

Had too many brews last night. It is a waste of time and money here in Tijuana. Why am I here? Cheers.

I got the mongering blues.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1499496]Dude, in five years, not one person has ever kept my change. Why didn't you say something? That is borderline unheard of. The futzing around with the price is also somewhat surprising, usually the places have prices posted, especially an MP. That doesn't surprise me though, especially if it was slow and you were the only person there.[/QUOTE]I agree. Colombians in general are very nice people. I conduct business in MDE and I have also never had an experience where they short you on change. Even the taxi drivers, dig into their pockets to try and find you exact change. Your experience is clearly an anomaly. Don't let that jade you and I wish you more pleasant encounters.

[QUOTE=Socker; 1499513]Had too many brews last night. It is a waste of time and money here in Tijuana. Why am I here? Cheers.

I got the mongering blues.[/QUOTE]Hang in there. There is great fun to be had in Tijuana, you just have to be patient and vigilant. It's never going to be MDE overall, but if you look hard and pay a little extra, it can be MDE for a night. Good luck.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt; 1499479]So his fantasy is to be her first TLN client at a particular bar?

This is a case of truth minus fact. Were you just dying to raise the obvious fact that these women lie and feed into a man's ego for money? Isn't that pretty much the job description? It still has zero to do with the guy's report.[/QUOTE]Yes, and Yes

K.

Anyway, I went on a casa run today, a couple places on fliers that were given out. They were both on El Palo. 57-55 and 57-71. Nothing doing, bunch of downtrodden chicks LOL. I didn't go to New Life but have been recently, changes in the lineup, nothing all that enticing. I wound up at Aiffe and only took a girl there out of boredom. Whew, this place has dipped tremendously in quality in a very short period of time. Sofia, Luna, Cristina and another girl whose name I forget with great tits are all gone. Yesica was out this week with her period and so forth. The nine slags they had were all pretty horrible, including a couple you couldn't pay ME to fuck. A 20 year old flaca came out and I thought she would be a good bet. Eh, everything covered, no exceptions, breath smelled like a ham sandwich and she either recently had a kid or otherwise a near full term pregnancy because her stomach was a mess despite her thin frame. Her name, like the outgoing old favorite, is Sofia. Her service was OK but whatever brand of condom they use there is just a disaster. I had them call another girl that would at least blow me without a condom. They sent Melissa and she did a decent job after some rigmarole. I wound up having to pay for for two separate half hours but that's life. Overall, I think the MP scene is pretty dead right now, and apart from the weekends the SW scene is dead. Good thing the strip joints and independents are plentiful.

[QUOTE=Socker; 1499513]Had too many brews last night. It is a waste of time and money here in Tijuana. Why am I here? Cheers.

I got the mongering blues.[/QUOTE]I agree. I would be sitting in the Hong Kong Club and thinking,"This sucks. Why am I even here? Should I leave now before the border line gets too long? Am I going to get shot walkin down the street?" It actually took me a few times to learn that lesson. Tijuana is a dump. Its not even worth going there anymore.

Once you go to great places like MDE, it raises the bar. You get spoiled bro.

The only consolation prize to going to Tijuana are the awesome tacos. Damn, they are good. You cross just 10 miles across the border to San Diego, and the tacos look the same, but aren't as good. I have no idea why. Its not a complex receipe.

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1499793]I agree. I would be sitting in the Hong Kong Club and thinking,"This sucks. Why am I even here? Should I leave now before the border line gets too long? Am I going to get shot walkin down the street?" It actually took me a few times to learn that lesson. Tijuana is a dump. Its not even worth going there anymore.

Once you go to great places like MDE, it raises the bar. You get spoiled bro.

The only consolation prize to going to Tijuana are the awesome tacos. Damn, they are good. You cross just 10 miles across the border to San Diego, and the tacos look the same, but aren't as good. I have no idea why. Its not a complex receipe.[/QUOTE]The mexican food is awesome, and bbbjs are decent but only available from 5's and 6's and that just doesn't cut it.

There are more really hot women in the Hong Kong Club then at any Medellin place I / e Mansion, La Mayorista but they are full of themselves and everything is covered and served really cold. Last night I saw a few stunners but it's a waste of time to approach, there were several good lookers or really cute ones but everything is covered w / them. I do like the city and the culture of Tijuana, you know, the drug wars, and muggings. Jaja, I really don't see any of that.

Coming here though is an effort and an expense that would be better saved for a bigger trip, even Mexico City or further into the country.

Medellin has completely spoiled me, the paisas there are warm and fun loving and the price is still right for this gringo.

I'm almost finished w / my breakfast and it's time to go stand in the border line for 2 + hours, then a 45 minute trolly. 10 minutes bus ride, and the 1 hour flight to SF, shuttle to car, wash up and take the wife out to a nice restaurant.

Next trip is in January. 2 days in El Salvador and then 8 in Medellin where I get what I freaking want every time.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1499576].Overall, I think the MP scene is pretty dead right now, and apart from the weekends the SW scene is dead. Good thing the strip joints and independents are plentiful.[/QUOTE]Well damn, with reports like these, from a guy like Wilt, I think I may just skip my sort of planned after Thansgiving visit, and stay in Brazil.

[QUOTE=Ricker;1499844]Well damn, with reports like these, from a guy like Wilt, I think I may just skip my sort of planned after Thansgiving visit, and stay in Brazil.[/QUOTE]Now if there was a casa owners association in Medellin and I was the president and I had read your post Ricker I would offer Wilt the Stilt free passes for a month to write positive reports. Ps I am agreement with Wilt. There seem to be lots of new flaquitas in 6 of the strip clubs in el centro that I visit and that is without going out to barrio Colombia or mayo.

If by dead, he means tons of very hot girls giving excellent sessions in the casas, the Mansion loaded up with super models, and the SW scene abuzz, then yeah. I guess it's dead in Medellin right now.

[QUOTE=Ricker;1499844]Well damn, with reports like these, from a guy like Wilt, I think I may just skip my sort of planned after Thansgiving visit, and stay in Brazil.[/QUOTE]

[quote=partypooper87; 1499336]i finally got out to do some mongering. caught a taxi from the hotel to energy. taxi driver dropped me off at an address that looked like a abandon building. taxi cost 8k = 4 usd. i walked inside to talk to the mamason. she showed me the line up, wasn't impressed a bunch of 7's. grabbed the best looking one in my opinion a green eyed rubia. nice buttle butt, however when she took her clothes off and you could see the bebe stretch marks. mamason gave the the price of 85k for 30mins. according to the medellin list i was over charged by 20k. first, she said noventa then she said ochenta. no need to walk out in protest because my taxi ride was gone and i wanted a quickie. so i gave the mamason 100k and she actually kept my change. sad thing was i was so horny i didn't even care about. i later needed that 15k to catch the tax. i've noticed that colombians like to keep change for uneven purchases. wish i could finish this report but i got in at 3am. to be continued.

cons: chupa con condom, can't handle above average size package,

pros: the only women that sexo better than colombian women are brazilian women.[/quote]the price at energy has changed over the years. the list is not always up to date with the rapidly changing prices. the most up to date pricing for energy is on their website. there are various pricing levels.

[QUOTE=Jonesie;1499866]If by dead, he means tons of very hot girls giving excellent sessions in the casas, the Mansion loaded up with super models, and the SW scene abuzz, then yeah. I guess it's dead in Medellin right now.[/QUOTE]Like I said, there is still tons of good action to be had but there is no denying the MPs are in a lull right now. SW scene is abuzz half the week, slow the other half. I'm not sure what there is to argue about here. I'm not sure I've seen super models working the mansion, but Kathy is very sexy little spinner I would recommend.

speaking of the centro clubs, i checked out conejitas and barra ejecutiva. conejitas, meh, not much doing. i am seldom impressed there. same mix of girls who look ok from a distance in the dark. the barra had a lot of the lifers there, not too many new girls but a few. i saw one that interested me quite a bit, flaca with some c cups and a very shapely body. it was kind of crowded though so i figured i would just go back on another night where the wait for a room wasn't so long and there weren't so many drunk asses in seats.

i hit the street scene in san diego. there was not much volume for a saturday night but some action to be had. i found melanie, a very beautiful girl who was clean and well presented, especially for a girl on the street. flat belly, very slim waist, shapely booty and some very perky, firm b cups. i thought she might be a pelada (kid) but her cedula said 19. she has nice straightened hair and a very pretty face, looks wise she is quite a gem especially for a chick working the san diego track. service was just ok, being her first time she was nervous and kind of annoyingly upsold thing. standard 20k bj or 50k fs, but kissing was extra (pretty artless kisser, just opens her mouth wide and kind of sloppily) as was bbbj. total damage with her extras, her fee and a taxi was about 100k. i probably could have been a hard ass bargaining this, but why? at any rate, she seemed nervous during the session. bj skills were just ok, nothing to write home about. she has a tight little cuca and her body is very touchable, rockin' frame on this broad for sure. she relaxed a little and got into it, the actual sex i had to kind of take charge but it went well. the sex was covered, she took a decent pounding and we talked about maybe some other stuff for next time around.

overall i would say the value would be great if not for the upselling, her looks are very good like a legit 8 and the service was decent with some room to improve.

also in that area is laura. 18, one kid, tramp stamp, very cute face, fuller (but not as firm) b cups and kind of a plain body. she has a laid back attitude and is willing to experiment. i find her to be pretty fun, ymmv of course.

there is a black girl with a slamming thick, shapely body but i think she is ****. runs with a crew of very young looking girls. 30k full service, but risky obviously. i did not partake.

a similar group but some of the girls are 18 at least is nicol, isabel, angelica and some others i don't know the names of. these girls are sometimes hard to get ahold of and other times very prompt in showing up.

lastly are laura and tatiana. tatiana is not working at the moment but will be again soon. spinner, very tight, super fun attitude if not a little guarded at first. understandable, especially for a girl who works on the street. laura is her fair skinned cousin, lighter and a little taller with a lip ring. i do not know about her service but she seems pretty cool.

overall there are some gems to glean among a sea of transvestites, sacoleros and street rats, but be patient. you may or may not find anything decent on any given night.

[quote=wiltthestilt; 1499987]speaking of the centro clubs, i checked out conejitas and barra ejecutiva. conejitas, meh, not much doing. i am seldom impressed there. same mix of girls who look ok from a distance in the dark. the barra had a lot of the lifers there, not too many new girls but a few. i saw one that interested me quite a bit, flaca with some c cups and a very shapely body. it was kind of crowded though so i figured i would just go back on another night where the wait for a room wasn't so long and there weren't so many drunk asses in seats.

i hit the street scene in san diego. there was not much volume for a saturday night but some action to be had. i found melanie, a very beautiful girl who was clean and well presented, especially for a girl on the street. flat belly, very slim waist, shapely booty and some very perky, firm b cups. i thought she might be a pelada (kid) but her cedula said 19. she has nice straightened hair and a very pretty face, looks wise she is quite a gem especially for a chick working the san diego track. service was just ok, being her first time she was nervous and kind of annoyingly upsold thing. standard 20k bj or 50k fs, but kissing was extra (pretty artless kisser, just opens her mouth wide and kind of sloppily) as was bbbj. total damage with her extras, her fee and a taxi was about 100k. i probably could have been a hard ass bargaining this, but why? at any rate, she seemed nervous during the session. bj skills were just ok, nothing to write home about. she has a tight little cuca and her body is very touchable, rockin' frame on this broad for sure. she relaxed a little and got into it, the actual sex i had to kind of take charge but it went well. the sex was covered, she took a decent pounding and we talked about maybe some other stuff for next time around.

overall i would say the value would be great if not for the upselling, her looks are very good like a legit 8 and the service was decent with some room to improve.

also in that area is laura. 18, one kid, tramp stamp, very cute face, fuller (but not as firm) b cups and kind of a plain body. she has a laid back attitude and is willing to experiment. i find her to be pretty fun, ymmv of course.

there is a black girl with a slamming thick, shapely body but i think she is ****. runs with a crew of very young looking girls. 30k full service, but risky obviously. i did not partake.

a similar group but some of the girls are 18 at least is nicol, isabel, angelica and some others i don't know the names of. these girls are sometimes hard to get ahold of and other times very prompt in showing up.

lastly are laura and tatiana. tatiana is not working at the moment but will be again soon. spinner, very tight, super fun attitude if not a little guarded at first. understandable, especially for a girl who works on the street. laura is her fair skinned cousin, lighter and a little taller with a lip ring. i do not know about her service but she seems pretty cool.

overall there are some gems to glean among a sea of transvestites, sacoleros and street rats, but be patient. you may or may not find anything decent on any given night.[/quote]what great (on the ground) info. man, you have a nice delivery of intel. this area is on my todo list (big time) come january. this is in my wheelhouse (whatever that means) , too bad you're not going to be around. thanks to you and the others bms w / this excellent intel. grassyass

[QUOTE=Manny51;1499793]I agree. I would be sitting in the Hong Kong Club and thinking,"This sucks. Why am I even here? Should I leave now before the border line gets too long? Am I going to get shot walkin down the street?" It actually took me a few times to learn that lesson. Tijuana is a dump. Its not even worth going there anymore. Once you go to great places like MDE, it raises the bar. You get spoiled bro. The only consolation prize to going to Tijuana are the awesome tacos. Damn, they are good. You cross just 10 miles across the border to San Diego, and the tacos look the same, but aren't as good. I have no idea why. Its not a complex receipe.[/QUOTE]Been going to Tijuana for over 15 years There is no comparison between Tijuana and real mongering destinations. Tijuana is something you do in between your long trips to mongering destinations. I go each month to Tijuana to change the 'oil'. It's recommended to keep the body healthy!

I rarely eat tacos when in Tijuana. Too many good real food places, like goat meat Birria, Siete mares and many more Sea food places. If you want a whole hot barbecues chicken, the best place is next to the big Church. That's all they do for about $4. 00. A few $25. 00 / hour massage places to get the body feel good during the day before venturing out later.

Did San Diego Street scene last night. There are pretty girls there, but you need to be vigilant with ID's. Depending on how picky or drunk you are, checking an ID can do two things, it can tell you if the girl is of age, and it can also tell you if your girl is actually a girl. Many girls in that zone was given names like Fernando and Carlos at birth.

[QUOTE=Socker;1499996]What great (on the ground) info. Man, you have a nice delivery of intel. This area is on my todo list (big time) come January. This is in my wheelhouse (whatever that means) , too bad you're not going to be around. Thanks to you and the others BMs w / this excellent intel. Grassyass[/QUOTE]

Last night as in Sunday or Saturday? I didn't see much out there Sunday, just took a spin and came back to sleep. There are some of machas (transvestites) but they are really easy to spot and generally travel in packs. With few exceptions, the ladies are together and the lady boys are also together. Thursday-Saturday are the best days. It's not for the faint of heart or slight of Spanish, although the cabbies will help you generally.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1500470]Last night as in Sunday or Saturday? I didn't see much out there Sunday, just took a spin and came back to sleep. There are some of machas (transvestites) but they are really easy to spot and generally travel in packs. With few exceptions, the ladies are together and the lady boys are also together. Thursday-Saturday are the best days. It's not for the faint of heart or slight of Spanish, although the cabbies will help you generally.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this string of reports. Very informative, helpful, and useful. Wilt for MVP!

I know there isn't much info here on the non pro route considering all the different factors needed to make it work. So I tried my hand on it, this is just the beginning of my experience. I've been talking to this non pro girl for about 3 months on whatsapp and we made some good connection. I rented a studio apt from Bbrocs at Parque Lleras, very clean and convenient. Called the girl once I checked into the apt on Saturday and she came around 7pm. She's 25, just graduated from university, cute face, very short stature. We chilled at the apt and I gave her some gifts I promised, Victoria Secret gift set, a great way to girls happy with a quickness. While at the apt, her sister calls to check up on her to make sure everything was fine, so got that cleared up in no time.

We went out to dinner at Woka. This next part is literally straight out of a movie. So I'm eating with her, getting to know her more. She speaks very little English, so I basically spoke Spanish with her. Halfway through dinner, I notice a mansion chica come in with a gringo. I couldn't tell who she was, but after a closer look. It's a girl I've wifed up on my first MDE trip!

She couldn't see us from where we were eating, but I could see them. So my thoughts are let's finish eating and get the heck out! So the non pro girl goes to use the bathroom and I wait for her outside and low and behold. The mansion chica goes to the bathroom as well and obviously recognizes me and says a big Hola! Good thing There isn't much info here about the non pro route, which is understandable considering all the factors the non pro was already inside and once she got out, the coast was clear.

I didn't want to stay in Lleras and possibly get recognized. So she suggested going to her area in Envigado which I've never been. Very decent strip of nice discos and bars and we partied hard. No gringo in sight and being a chino, I stood out pretty easily. It's like she hasn't gone out in months because we both got hammered. Around 3am, we head back to my apt and I don't expect much to happen, just cuddle until she has to leave at 6am so she can get home before her parents wake up. But I'm sure the alcohol relaxed us and after a make out session, she asked if I had any condoms. To which I waited for a second and said Hell Yeah! Got to hit that on the first night, so far so good.

BTW. During the day, I hit up Blue Room. Went with a nice chica, Salome with big natural tits. Talent there was great. 8 chicas, at least 4 were doable. 100K for one hour. Got her name and plan on seeing her outside as well.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt; 1498576]Right, Colombians still set the prices in the overwhelming majority of establishments here. Just go a few times and you will see that 90% of clients are Colombians. The local economy sets both the supply and demand sides. The flipside of that is that foreigners should be more observant and pay what the locals are paying more often. I don't think it's "inviting trouble" to pay more, but it's not necessary. I always say pay the standard rate, tip fairly for extras and great service.

The travel thing, just think about it, if you were comfortable, having fun and making money, what would the point be of traveling on someone else's terms so they can rail you three times a day while dragging you wherever they are going? The other end of that is that you should only take a girl you really feel comfortable with. Traveling with a girl is great but don't be pressed to do it. If she is not into it, just back off, it's best for both of you. Don't keep throwing money and pressure at the problem, you won't have a good result. If the girl actually likes you and wants to go where you're going, she won't give a shit about the terms outside of maybe some logistical stuff (paying babysitters, bills, whatever).[/QUOTE]I totally Agree about over paying these girls. I don't understand it.

I haven't been to Colombia yet, but I am trying to figure out why Guys are paying $40 and $50 a pop. I don't understand. That's what they charge right here in NYC, in Bkyn and Queens.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1498228]I'm trying to get my head around some recent posts. At bottom, John opines that he has access to the creme de la creme of the girls in Medellin, while acknowledging that Ricker, with his limitations, sometimes finds the gem, but obviously can't afford the best, like John does. This whole colloquy is way to close to the "my dick is bigger than yours" boasting. The fact is that there are gems everywhere in Medellin. What separates one from a meaningful relationship with a "gem" is not the wallet, but the heart. My assumption is that, biologically and emotionally, we would find sex much more pleasurable with an "8" that wants to give pleasure to sex with a mechanical "10."

I've been lucky enough to be able to provide several girls in Medellin with scholarships. I know about their lives, have met their families. And each of their mamas line up to invite me for dinner. All I feel is love from these girls, and their families. Sure, I've had some disappointments. A couple of the girls have not taken advantage of this opportunity, and dropped out of their respective universities. That hurt my heart bad, but no regrets about spending the money; that was my choice and I give with a giving heart.

My point is simply this: It's easier to light one candle than to curse the darkness. Obviously not everyone is in a position to do what I do, nor do they approach life as I do. We all decide to do what we do, and our attitude in our relationships with others. And, it's not all about spending large sums of money. It takes time and an interest in improving a girl's life; it's more than the lowest price for the most desirable service provider for a few hours or a night. Just think about it. Would you rather have passionate sex or passionate sex with intimacy? The choice is each of ours.

Only good energy, amigos.

Oh, and there will be at least one Paisa that will cry when you die, because she knew that you cared about her / them.[/QUOTE]I thought there were seasoned mongerers on this board. With these posts about guys trying to pay hundreds of US dollars and paying college tuition for several chicks.

You guys are are not mongerers.

[QUOTE=Joe Rilla; 1500627]I thought there were seasoned mongerers on this board. With these posts about guys trying to pay hundreds of US dollars and paying college tuition for several chicks.

You guys are are not mongerers.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up Joe!

Glad you finally showed up and can show us how to be real mongers.

Once you actually make it to Colombia, you can set us straight with that as well.

Thank you.

Yes, and please direct me to where I can bang a sexy 18 year old bareback in three holes for $40-$50 in New York City.

You know these girls and their mamas could care less about you right? Stop those "tuition" payments and see how many dinner invites you get buddy.

[QUOTE=Joe Rilla; 1500623]I totally Agree about over paying these girls. I don't understand it.

I haven't been to Colombia yet, but I am trying to figure out why Guys are paying $40 and $50 a pop. I don't understand. That's what they charge right here in NYC, in Bkyn and Queens.[/QUOTE]IN the U S 40 bucks gets you a skanky crack ho, In Colombia you might find a little princess that you can really feel good about helping out, And it can be great cause she's really helping you out as well, The U S crack-ho is out buying dope, The Colombian princess is trying to get through school, feed the kid her deadbeat boyfriend left her with, and possibly Supporting a sick Mom or grandmother, A lot of us don't mind over-paying cause it makes us feel good

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1500659]Yes, and please direct me to where I can bang a sexy 18 year old bareback in three holes for $40-$50 in New York City.[/QUOTE]When you get the answer to that question, please pm me!

[QUOTE=Joe Rilla; 1500627]I thought there were seasoned mongerers on this board. With these posts about guys trying to pay hundreds of US dollars and paying college tuition for several chicks.

You guys are are not mongerers.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=TweedleD;1500693]IN the U S 40 bucks gets you a skanky crack ho, In Colombia you might find a little princess that you can really feel good about helping out, And it can be great cause she's really helping you out as well, The U S crack-ho is out buying dope, The Colombian princess is trying to get through school, feed the kid her deadbeat boyfriend left her with, and possibly Supporting a sick Mom or grandmother, A lot of us don't mind over-paying cause it makes us feel good[/QUOTE]I hate ambiguity. I suppose we are all mongers in a sense if we accept the common meaning of the term: one that consorts with sex workers. We start with the assumption that all women are not sex workers, a premiss with which I do not agree. Digressing, assuming, arguendo, that we are all mongers there are some that seek to exploit these beautiful girls without regard to them as human beings trying to make it though life, as we all are. Certainly, one that provides some tangible benefit in the form of an education can't be a monger. This would be undeniably true except your wholly under estimation of my contribution only provides more evidence that I'm not a monger. I'm over six figures in scholarships in the 5 years I've spend considerable time in Medellin. TweedleD isn't one either. Over paying and that makes you feel good, certainly won't get you into brother Rilla's monger circle. Count me out!

Only good energy! Karma's going to be a bit*h..

[QUOTE=HangerOne;1500660]You know these girls and their mamas could care less about you right? Stop those "tuition" payments and see how many dinner invites you get buddy.[/QUOTE]Interesting reply. And partially correct. It depends on the person. Given the circumstances, I think you're probably right that if I stopped those "tuition" payments I not be cared about. And, there is a good reason. If I stopped the tuition payments, without good cause, it would be because I didn't care about them. On the other hand, one girl who had her scholarship revoked because of lack of seriousness to her studies, has gone her own way, but I had lunch with her mother, aunt and little brother within the last 10 days. I felt they cared about me, but I guess I was wrong.

Thanks for sitting me straight.

Only good energy, unhappy amigo.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1498228]I've been lucky enough to be able to provide several girls in Medellin with scholarships. I know about their lives, have met their families. And each of their mamas line up to invite me for dinner. All I feel is love from these girls, and their families. Sure, I've had some disappointments. A couple of the girls have not taken advantage of this opportunity, and dropped out of their respective universities. That hurt my heart bad, but no regrets about spending the money; that was my choice and I give with a giving heart.

My point is simply this: It's easier to light one candle than to curse the darkness. Obviously not everyone is in a position to do what I do, nor do they approach life as I do. We all decide to do what we do, and our attitude in our relationships with others. And, it's not all about spending large sums of money. It takes time and an interest in improving a girl's life; it's more than the lowest price for the most desirable service provider for a few hours or a night. Just think about it. Would you rather have passionate sex or passionate sex with intimacy? The choice is each of ours.

Only good energy, amigos.

Oh, and there will be at least one Paisa that will cry when you die, because she knew that you cared about her / them.[/QUOTE]I understand where you are coming from. The whole reason I started into the P4P scene is because I do not want a full time girlfriend in Colombia anymore while spending more than half my time in the USA

But that is easier said than done. Once you start repeatedly sleeping with your favorites night after night it is hard not to develop feelings for them. Especially when you negotiate a very favorable weekly or monthly rate because they are with you so much of the time and you aren't paying them every day. So it really does seem like she is your girlfriend or live in lover. Some guys go for the girlfriend experience but in Colombia it really doesn't cost that much more to have the wife experience.

Most of the girls that are willing to substantially lower their normal price and sleep with you long term do like you on some level otherwise it wouldn't work out and they often try to lower the cost even more by getting you to pay tuition or rent to have access to her for even longer periods of time.

But the truth is that any chick that requires a certain sum of financial compensation in exchange for sex no matter how trivial it seems based on your personal finances is never really your girlfriend. I have told more than one prepago to quit trying to make me (or any monger) your boyfriend and I would suggest that you stop trying to make these girls something they are not.

If you spend an appreciable amount of time in Colombia it is not hard to find plenty of really nice young women that would sleep with you for nothing if you portrayed yourself as a serious person looking for a serious relationship. Once you find the ones that repeatedly give it up for nothing then start thinking about helping them out if it makes you feel good. They certainly will need the money more and appreciate it more than the chick selling her ass on the side.

[QUOTE=Cali Hentai; 1500774]I understand where you are coming from. The whole reason I started into the P4P scene is because I do not want a full time girlfriend in Colombia anymore while spending more than half my time in the USA

But that is easier said than done. Once you start repeatedly sleeping with your favorites night after night it is hard not to develop feelings for them. Especially when you negotiate a very favorable weekly or monthly rate because they are with you so much of the time and you aren't paying them every day. So it really does seem like she is your girlfriend or live in lover. Some guys go for the girlfriend experience but in Colombia it really doesn't cost that much more to have the wife experience.

Most of the girls that are willing to substantially lower their normal price and sleep with you long term do like you on some level otherwise it wouldn't work out and they often try to lower the cost even more by getting you to pay tuition or rent to have access to her for even longer periods of time.

But the truth is that any chick that requires a certain sum of financial compensation in exchange for sex no matter how trivial it seems based on your personal finances is never really your girlfriend. I have told more than one prepago to quit trying to make me (or any monger) your boyfriend and I would suggest that you stop trying to make these girls something they are not.

If you spend an appreciable amount of time in Colombia it is not hard to find plenty of really nice young women that would sleep with you for nothing if you portrayed yourself as a serious person looking for a serious relationship. Once you find the ones that repeatedly give it up for nothing then start thinking about helping them out if it makes you feel good. They certainly will need the money more and appreciate it more than the chick selling her ass on the side.[/QUOTE]

In the USA if you do not pay your way, you are out! You are out of your house, your car, and all your pussy. The difference of "monger or not a monger" is when you pay for the pussy. If you pay before or after the deed you're a monger. If you pay some time during the day or night, you're a monger. If you're on this board discussing sex in any and all regards you're a monger. There is no grey area. If you're on these boards to get info, and then travel away from your homeland to enjoy casual sex w / strange women, sorry but, You're a Monger! Jaja

As they say in certain parts of every town,"dems the rules".

I send some of these Colombianas money from time to time and it's unconditional. When I return and see them I will not bring up any gifts, I will pay them the going rate for their time.

We can develop a close tie in this arrangement but they are the ones living their lives in a really terrible economic environment so I don't judge their methods of survival unless it's underhanded.

When I go to the Philippines and watch 20 girls dancing on stage hoping for a customer to take them for a drink so they can sit for 20 minutes, I sometimes fixate on the homely girl dancing on the side in the darker area.

I think wow what a brave little babe to hang in there and give it her best. I am just so impressed by these sights but of course I take the girl that I connect w / in other ways but still there is a lot to respect about the average sex worker.

To close my opinion out I will say I'm surprised to hear such intelligent guys here stating they are not mongers because of some unusual system of patronage.

What's next I wonder? Jaja

[QUOTE=Socker; 1500974]To close my opinion out I will say I'm surprised to hear such intelligent guys here stating they are not mongers because of some unusual system of patronage.

What's next I wonder? Jaja[/QUOTE]It is almost as entertaining to listen to a prepago try and convince you that she isn't really a sex worker anymore because she has some how made it to the status of "kept woman" who only sleeps with one guy. Conveniently forgetting that she is being paid for the exclusive rights to her pussy.

[QUOTE=Socker;1500974]The difference of "monger or not a monger" is when you pay for the pussy. If you pay before or after the deed you're a monger. If you pay some time during the day or night, you're a monger. If you're on this board discussing sex in any and all regards you're a monger. There is no grey area. If you're on these boards to get info, and then travel away from your homeland to enjoy casual sex w / strange women, sorry but, You're a Monger! Jaja[/QUOTE]This needs to be pinned to the top of this forum!

I liked RiceRocket's story about netting some nookie from a "non-pro", but it still reminded me of all the hoops you would have to jump through just to get some (dinner, taxi, disco, drinks). Even after all of that, there still wasn't any promise of her giving him any sex at the end of the night. But like Socker said, you end up paying for it one way or the other. All depends on when you decide to pay (before or after).

Dates are usually an upfront investment with no guarantees of anything. If you have the time and patience then by all means go for it. I'm still not sold on the concept of paying ho's a retainer fee (or "tuition"); especially if I am not there getting my fill and money's worth on a daily basis. All money flows end once I board the airplane back to the US.

Saw the non-pro again last night for dinner, but I agree that even though I didn't directly pay her for sex, the money I spent on dinner, drinks, taxi, gifts can add up to more than getting with a mansion / fb chica straight up. But at least I get to connect with her on a personal level and it's not all about sex / business. It was 'actual dating' however you want to define it. It's a whole different experience, but either way, I pay directly or indirectly. Planning a weekend getway at Guatape.

OTOH, I called up the Blue Room chica Salome, out for late night drinks after the non-pro left. Every place pretty much dead on a Monday night, so didn't have many options. I agree MDE doesn't get going until Thursday, so Sun-Wed could be tough in finding decent places to rumba. And usually Sundays / Mondays are recovery days for the chicas with that guayabo (hangover). Anyways, get back to my apt and she gets a bit freaky and watches porn on my laptop for a good 30 minutes. So obviously, that turned me on and unexpectedly, during our session she asks if I want to do anal, which of course I had to oblige. She leaves around 2am and I pay her 100K plus taxi. I didn't even negotiate pricing, but she was happy with it and even wants to see me again later tonight for some Tuesday salsa night somewhere. So I'll see if tonight would be as dead as Monday.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1500987]This needs to be pinned to the top of this forum!

I liked RiceRocket's story about netting some nookie from a "non-pro", but it still reminded me of all the hoops you would have to jump through just to get some (dinner, taxi, disco, drinks). Even after all of that, there still wasn't any promise of her giving him any sex at the end of the night. But like Socker said, you end up paying for it one way or the other. All depends on when you decide to pay (before or after).

Dates are usually an upfront investment with no guarantees of anything. If you have the time and patience then by all means go for it. I'm still not sold on the concept of paying ho's a retainer fee (or "tuition") ; especially if I am not there getting my fill and money's worth on a daily basis. All money flows end once I board the airplane back to the US.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Socker; 1500974]In the USA if you do not pay your way, you are out! You are out of your house, your car, and all your pussy. The difference of "monger or not a monger" is when you pay for the pussy. If you pay before or after the deed you're a monger. If you pay some time during the day or night, you're a monger. If you're on this board discussing sex in any and all regards you're a monger. There is no grey area. If you're on these boards to get info, and then travel away from your homeland to enjoy casual sex w / strange women, sorry but, You're a Monger! Jaja

What's next I wonder? Jaja[/QUOTE]Also agree. I don't get all these posts about "freebies" and "non-pros." If you are a visiting foreigner into any punting destination country, than you are punting. Now, I am not saying that true love can't happen, or that casual sex can't happen. But if you think that she is in love with you, chances are that she just plays the role well. That is her profession, and GFE is the coin of the realm. Whether you pay her in cash everytime, or whether she is trading for the possibility of getting out of the country in the future, you ARE paying.

Just read through the forums in any country. They are littered with stories of guys who get taken after buying in hook, line, and sinker. Nothing wrong with having fun. Both parties benefit. Just don't lose your perspective. Its human nature to think that, "well I'm different. That won't happen to me." Unrequited love is sad enough as it is, even without the financial con.

don't play me too close, i won't pimp you too hard as too short would say.

my only piece of advice is not to "invest." don't give a girl a big chunk up front expecting it to pay off long term in "freebies" or a discounted rate of some sort. square everything up front. i once paid 8, 000, 000 pesos to a girl, but after we went on a 45-day trip where i banged her in the ass raw three or four times a day and with plans (that she actually completed, surprisingly) to do it again for a little over a month on my next break. if you do the math on that, it's a pretty spectacular deal. $50 usd a day for all access, no holes barred sex with a very beautiful girl. you can't get an apartment for that kind of money in some cities, let alone tight little asshole to live inside.

avoid the bullshit of "pay me 'tuition' (or bill or whatever) that's due today and i'll come over and fuck you every day." make sure you pay up front only if you're about to get something right then and there, and if it's a long term deal then either pay in installments or a balloon on the back end once she has held up her end. it sucks to have to think about things this way, but trust me, they already are. only after very strong trust is established do i think this could work, and even then it's iffy. if they have the payoff in hand, they are not going to work their ass for it. knowing that the big pay day (and potentially more) is at stake will keep them on their toes.

this is not some rep001hing indictment of colombians either. there are people like this in every country and in some it is the norm. it's just one's way of being and some cases it's even practical (emphasis on some).

i guess i have a second piece of advice and that is to recognize that latinos and colombians in particular are more "in love with being in love" and more effusive in their language than most (read: all). these girls will jump to "i adore you" in a heartbeat and even if they think they are sincere, it means very little. if i were to say something like that, it would carry some weight and consequence, but surprisingly it does not to them. i am not sure how to articulate this but you will feel it. they will be ready to go to the end of the universe with you, but they will also stand you up without notice the following night.

i have had a couple of real relationships here, but they are absolutely dwarfed by the number of fake ones. just think of the scene in "the matrix" where the bald guy is talking about how he knows the steak on his plate is not real, but it still tastes delicious. that pretty much summarizes this hobby in colombia, if not the entire world.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1500659]Yes, and please direct me to where I can bang a sexy 18 year old bareback in three holes for $40-$50 in New York City.[/QUOTE]I am in Miami and the only girl you get for 40/50 is a street walker that is cracked out. You must be losing it to think that there are "gems" in NYC! If I can't get a hot Latina here in Miami for 50 then I know it's impossible to get that in NYC. I have been to Colombia many times over the past three years and 50 will get you about an hour or two with a model type Latina. Here in MIA if I wanted a model Cuban Latina I am spending 300-500 por una hora! Screw that! I rather go to Colombia, find a beautiful drop dead gorgeous girl, spend 50 and take every hole she offers for an hour and have her treat me like I am her long lost novio. You need to visit Colombia before you past judgement on how we spend our money.

For those that think a novia is simply in love for love and doesn't ask for money. Yeah right! I had a fiance in Barranquilla for two years. I am young but she was younger. She didn't work because (it's not easy finding a job). Then she got a job, and started fucking her boss. Bye bye chica! $$$ rules most lives in Colombia regardless with how it is obtained. I've learned one thing, love can be found but if you have to invest any type of money or gifts then it is not love. Period! My fiance never asked me for money and never asked for gifts. But when the opportunity arose for a real chance at a job she screwed her way into the job. Now she hates her new jefe / novio and she is stuck working for him if she wants to keep her job. LMAO. Sucks for her but don't crawl back.

Returning to Medellin in Enero for my 37th cumpleanos. Looking to have some serious fun. Since this is my first real official time in Medellin as a single guy I am going to enjoy my two weeks.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt; 1501022]Don't play me too close, I won't pimp you too hard as Too Short would say.

I have had a couple of real relationships here, but they are absolutely dwarfed by the number of fake ones. Just think of the scene in "The Matrix" where the bald guy is talking about how he knows the steak on his plate is not real, but it still tastes delicious. That pretty much summarizes this hobby in Colombia, if not the entire world.[/QUOTE]A Too Short reference and a genius tie-in to the Matrix (which does sum it all up BTW). Well done sir!

This reeks of fantasy.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99; 1500586]I know there isn't much info here on the non pro route considering all the different factors needed to make it work. So I tried my hand on it, this is just the beginning of my experience. I've been talking to this non pro girl for about 3 months on whatsapp and we made some good connection. I rented a studio apt from Bbrocs at Parque Lleras, very clean and convenient. Called the girl once I checked into the apt on Saturday and she came around 7pm. She's 25, just graduated from university, cute face, very short stature. We chilled at the apt and I gave her some gifts I promised, Victoria Secret gift set, a great way to girls happy with a quickness. While at the apt, her sister calls to check up on her to make sure everything was fine, so got that cleared up in no time.

We went out to dinner at Woka. This next part is literally straight out of a movie. So I'm eating with her, getting to know her more. She speaks very little English, so I basically spoke Spanish with her. Halfway through dinner, I notice a mansion chica come in with a gringo. I couldn't tell who she was, but after a closer look. It's a girl I've wifed up on my first MDE trip!

She couldn't see us from where we were eating, but I could see them. So my thoughts are let's finish eating and get the heck out! So the non pro girl goes to use the bathroom and I wait for her outside and low and behold. The mansion chica goes to the bathroom as well and obviously recognizes me and says a big Hola! Good thing There isn't much info here about the non pro route, which is understandable considering all the factors the non pro was already inside and once she got out, the coast was clear.

I didn't want to stay in Lleras and possibly get recognized. So she suggested going to her area in Envigado which I've never been. Very decent strip of nice discos and bars and we partied hard. No gringo in sight and being a chino, I stood out pretty easily. It's like she hasn't gone out in months because we both got hammered. Around 3am, we head back to my apt and I don't expect much to happen, just cuddle until she has to leave at 6am so she can get home before her parents wake up. But I'm sure the alcohol relaxed us and after a make out session, she asked if I had any condoms. To which I waited for a second and said Hell Yeah! Got to hit that on the first night, so far so good.

BTW. During the day, I hit up Blue Room. Went with a nice chica, Salome with big natural tits. Talent there was great. 8 chicas, at least 4 were doable. 100K for one hour. Got her name and plan on seeing her outside as well.[/QUOTE]

Just to let everyone know, Geraldine, s Facebook page is back up. I just got back from San Jose, now making my plans for Feb MDE trip!

[QUOTE=Sexmetv;1501032]A Too Short reference and a genius tie-in to the Matrix (which does sum it all up BTW). Well done sir![/QUOTE][url]Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7BuQFUhsRM[/url]

[QUOTE=Sexmetv;1501032]A Too Short reference and a genius tie-in to the Matrix (which does sum it all up BTW). Well done sir![/QUOTE]Agree. That Matrix scene is a perfect and funny analogy. I'll have to break that out with friends over beers someday!

And by the way, its not to say that giving ANYTHING to girls is "payment." I don't think that anyone means to be THAT reductionist. Small gifts are fine. If you are in the US, small gifts are just part of the dating process. And buying small gifts or taking them out to dinner can make YOU feel good if it makes you feel like a man and fuels the illusion.

I am just saying to not lose perspective. A woman from another culture that you have difficulty conversing with due to a language barrier instantly falls in love with you at a pick up bar and lets you have all kinds of funky sex after a few hours / days? C'mon man!

[QUOTE=Manny51;1501062]A woman from another culture that you have difficulty conversing with due to a language barrier instantly falls in love with you at a pick up bar and lets you have all kinds of funky sex after a few hours / days? C'mon man![/QUOTE]Well, that IS pretty much why all of us travel to Medellin

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1501067]Well, that IS pretty much why all of us travel to Medellin[/QUOTE]By all means enjoy it! Just don't believe it.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1501426]By all means enjoy it! Just don't believe it.[/QUOTE]I do enjoy it, and I believe all these girls really do fall in love with me, I mean why wouldn't they? To them, I look a hell of a lot like an ATM machine!

[quote=wiltthestilt; 1501022]don't play me too close, i won't pimp you too hard as too short would say.

my only piece of advice is not to "invest." don't give a girl a big chunk up front expecting it to pay off long term in "freebies" or a discounted rate of some sort. square everything up front. i once paid 8, 000, 000 pesos to a girl, but after we went on a 45-day trip where i banged her in the ass raw three or four times a day and with plans (that she actually completed, surprisingly) to do it again for a little over a month on my next break. if you do the math on that, it's a pretty spectacular deal. $50 usd a day for all access, no holes barred sex with a very beautiful girl. you can't get an apartment for that kind of money in some cities, let alone tight little asshole to live inside.

avoid the bullshit of "pay me 'tuition' (or bill or whatever) that's due today and i'll come over and fuck you every day." make sure you pay up front only if you're about to get something right then and there, and if it's a long term deal then either pay in installments or a balloon on the back end once she has held up her end. it sucks to have to think about things this way, but trust me, they already are. only after very strong trust is established do i think this could work, and even then it's iffy. if they have the payoff in hand, they are not going to work their ass for it. knowing that the big pay day (and potentially more) is at stake will keep them on their toes.

this is not some rep001hing indictment of colombians either. there are people like this in every country and in some it is the norm. it's just one's way of being and some cases it's even practical (emphasis on some).

i guess i have a second piece of advice and that is to recognize that latinos and colombians in particular are more "in love with being in love" and more effusive in their language than most (read: all). these girls will jump to "i adore you" in a heartbeat and even if they think they are sincere, it means very little. if i were to say something like that, it would carry some weight and consequence, but surprisingly it does not to them. i am not sure how to articulate this but you will feel it. they will be ready to go to the end of the universe with you, but they will also stand you up without notice the following night.

i have had a couple of real relationships here, but they are absolutely dwarfed by the number of fake ones. just think of the scene in "the matrix" where the bald guy is talking about how he knows the steak on his plate is not real, but it still tastes delicious. that pretty much summarizes this hobby in colombia, if not the entire world.[/quote]my advice is to "invest." obviously, the opportunity to do that in colombia is ever present, but investment in a girl's life gives some purpose to one's existence instead of just getting the most bang for the buck, so to speak. invest without expectation or what's in it for you. these girls live a difficult existence. with the minimum wage a little more than $350. per month, almost any help and interest results in a desire to give physical pleasure. let's hope that life has not denigrated to a feeling of accomplishment in getting the most sex for the least amount of plata. just take a little pleasure in making someone's life a little better. a little more stable. a little less stressful.

don't confuse what any of these girls say, with your own expectations. who knows what they mean? none of us are mind-readers. i assume that everyone means what they say, when they say it. it's all ephemeral. what ever the emotion of the moment, it just exists for the moment. and, commitments are easy to agree to, but almost impossible to follow. do what you can and what you want. regardless of her choices, you made yours and accept responsibility for them. it's a no lose situation unless one want to play the victim when expectations are not met. what we do or don't do is our choice. do something with an open heart.

it leads to only good energy.

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1501490]I do enjoy it, and I believe all these girls really do fall in love with me, I mean why wouldn't they? To them, I look a hell of a lot like an ATM machine![/QUOTE]Tweedle hit the nail on the head, so to speak. Like an amigo of mine commented: "there is no doubt, the thicker my wallet, the better looking I become. Simple truth: they have what we want, and we have what they need.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender;1501522]Simple truth: they have what we want, and we have what they need.[/QUOTE]This is no accident, this is nature's intent in helping our specie's much weaker female. Procreation is just one purpose of sex, the other is leverage.

They got what we need and we want them to be happy giving it to us.

Nature is never wrong.

Cheers.

Can a senior member send me a pm with some info on FB girls so I can do some homework and contact prior to my arrival in January? Would be greatly appreciative.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1501519]My advice is to "invest." Obviously, the opportunity to do that in Colombia is ever present, but investment in a girl's life gives some purpose to one's existence instead of just getting the most bang for the buck, so to speak. Invest without expectation or what's in it for you. These girls live a difficult existence. With the minimum wage a little more than $350. Per month, almost any help and interest results in a desire to give physical pleasure. Let's hope that life has not denigrated to a feeling of accomplishment in getting the most sex for the least amount of plata. Just take a little pleasure in making someone's life a little better. A little more stable. A little less stressful.

Don't confuse what any of these girls say, with your own expectations. Who knows what they mean? None of us are mind-readers. I assume that everyone means what they say, when they say it. It's all ephemeral. What ever the emotion of the moment, it just exists for the moment. And, commitments are easy to agree to, but almost impossible to follow. Do what you can and what you want. Regardless of her choices, you made yours and accept responsibility for them. It's a no lose situation unless one want to play the victim when expectations are not met. What we do or don't do is our choice. Do something with an open heart.

It leads to only good energy.[/QUOTE]Yes, I think I read a story in Philanthropy magazine about all the great men with open hearts and minds that exchange a few hundred bucks to fuck some girl's brains out. Jesus, dude, get over yourself. I actually help a ton of people down here, but I'm not looking for a purpose in life doing it. Nor do I follow some oddball moral relativism that makes me think that taking advantage of economic disparity makes me a great guy or that pardons every insincere stunt from a girl looking to pay for everything in life with the same coin. You've also got to consider that your precious advice is useless for 99% of people reading this. This is a place to help and share with others, to enhance their experience when they come to have fun for a little while.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1501621]Yes, I think I read a story in Philanthropy magazine about all the great men with open hearts and minds that exchange a few hundred bucks to fuck some girl's brains out. Jesus, dude, get over yourself. I actually help a ton of people down here, but I'm not looking for a purpose in life doing it. Nor do I follow some oddball moral relativism that makes me think that taking advantage of economic disparity makes me a great guy or that pardons every insincere stunt from a girl looking to pay for everything in life with the same coin. You've also got to consider that your precious advice is useless for 99% of people reading this. This is a place to help and share with others, to enhance their experience when they come to have fun for a little while.[/QUOTE]I know a girl that is getting a free university ride that lives in Medellin. She never even met the guy in person that lives in the US. They met via a friend online and they talk daily but he has paid her way into school. Very generous. She calls him her boyfriend and surprisingly, she has never had another boyfriend since meeting this guy. He is like 30 now and she is 19 and they met 4 years ago and she actually thinks she is in love. I talk to her often because we are friends and though I would love to hit it because she is a virgin, she is crazy in love with this gringo that helps her. I asked her why he has never in 4 years visited and she says that he has no time to leave work and no money. I shake my head because this girl is so damn beautiful and sweet and she thinks that her life should revolve around the guy. That is an example of a girl brainwashed by love. Ay Dios Mio. But, I do understand the member on here wanting to help with education. If you have the money and you enjoy helping others less fortunate then that is awesome. The icing on the cake is if you can help them and when you are visiting you get some hot sex then even better. I personally don't make that type of money to pay for a girls college but if I did and if it wouldn't hurt my lifestyle then it would be nice.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender;1501519]My advice is to "invest." Obviously, the opportunity to do that in Colombia is ever present, but investment in a girl's life gives some purpose to one's existence instead of just getting the most bang for the buck, so to speak. Invest without expectation or what's in it for you. These girls live a difficult existence. With the minimum wage a little more than $350. Per month, almost any help and interest results in a desire to give physical pleasure. Let's hope that life has not denigrated to a feeling of accomplishment in getting the most sex for the least amount of plata. Just take a little pleasure in making someone's life a little better. A little more stable. A little less stressful.[/QUOTE]This is very noble of you. Your charity definitely does not go unnoticed, as it definitely makes the mongerer's (or the Colombiano male's) job just a tad bit easier.

Hey, didn't you have to suspend tuition payments to one of your ho's when you found out that another monger was enjoying the fruits of your labor?:

[QUOTE=Hillbilly69;1360554]So I am in on the creep, I find this girl, a cute one I offer her 80k pesos. Take her back to the apartment bang her, takes my full load, get her FB page. Later that day I get her to add me as a friend. Later that night she posts with her smart phone with AK and they are making out in the pic, I am thinking how does my dick taste? LMAO. Just for the hell of it I click on his name like who is this dork? A handsome fellow I must say, says CEO of T@# lives in Florida, [b]holy shit it is Legal Tender! I just banged his novia![/b] Not that that is a first I must say, but to you bastards screwing mine, fuck you guys! LMAO[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Legal Tender;1360607]They don't need to be concerned with the Hillbilly's of this world because of financial reasons; none are party girls, and I do not attempt to exercise any control over their private lives. I have asked that if they have sex with someone else that they use a condom. Life is not risk free, but none of them would risk pregnancy with a local novio. Having had a vasectomy has proven to be a good choice.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Hillbilly69;1360575]LT novia's lips were strawberry flavored from my cock lube anyway, can I have a ride on your helicopter too LT?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Legal Tender;1360610]NO, you cannot.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Razor77; 1501028]I am in Miami and the only girl you get for 40/50 is a street walker that is cracked out. You must be losing it to think that there are "gems" in NYC! If I can't get a hot Latina here in Miami for 50 then I know it's impossible to get that in NYC. I have been to Colombia many times over the past three years and 50 will get you about an hour or two with a model type Latina. Here in MIA if I wanted a model Cuban Latina I am spending 300-500 por una hora! Screw that! I rather go to Colombia, find a beautiful drop dead gorgeous girl, spend 50 and take every hole she offers for an hour and have her treat me like I am her long lost novio. You need to visit Colombia before you past judgement on how we spend our money.

For those that think a novia is simply in love for love and doesn't ask for money. Yeah right! I had a fiance in Barranquilla for two years. I am young but she was younger. She didn't work because (it's not easy finding a job). Then she got a job, and started fucking her boss. Bye bye chica! $$$ rules most lives in Colombia regardless with how it is obtained. I've learned one thing, love can be found but if you have to invest any type of money or gifts then it is not love. Period! My fiance never asked me for money and never asked for gifts. But when the opportunity arose for a real chance at a job she screwed her way into the job. Now she hates her new jefe / novio and she is stuck working for him if she wants to keep her job. LMAO. Sucks for her but don't crawl back.

Returning to Medellin in Enero for my 37th cumpleanos. Looking to have some serious fun. Since this is my first real official time in Medellin as a single guy I am going to enjoy my two weeks.[/QUOTE]If you read carefully, I was responding to a post below where some numbnuts was talking about prices of $40-$50 in the States and why we shouldn't pay that much in Colombia.

Sorry to hear about your BAQ novia but asi es la vida. I hope you got plenty of good emotions and great sex out of it. You know that, in the end, you've got a fuck ton of options and she has very few. Enjoy the trip to MDE and your birthday celebration.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1501635]Hey, didn't you have to suspend tuition payments to one of your ho's when you found out that another monger was enjoying the fruits of your labor?:[/QUOTE]No. I stopped tuition payments for a couple of girls over the last several years because they were not succeeding academically. The fruits of my labor are independent, educated and successful young women. In their private lives, they can do whatever they want. I don't care; that is nothing that I have control over nor does it really interest me.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1501621]You've also got to consider that your precious advice is useless for 99% of people reading this. This is a place to help and share with others, to enhance their experience when they come to have fun for a little while.[/QUOTE]I don't know about your self created statistics, but we can certainly agree my approach has no validity for you. The approach that I follow and advocate does "enhance their experience when they come to have fun for a little while."

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt; 1501663]If you read carefully, I was responding to a post below where some numbnuts was talking about prices of $40-$50 in the States and why we shouldn't pay that much in Colombia.

Sorry to hear about your BAQ novia but asi es la vida. I hope you got plenty of good emotions and great sex out of it. You know that, in the end, you've got a fuck ton of options and she has very few. Enjoy the trip to MDE and your birthday celebration.[/QUOTE]Sorry Wilt, I quoted the wrong guy. It was the numbnut that you were replying to. The guy with absolutely no experience in Colombia. He comes on here and brags about his $50 working girls in NYC being a bargain. And yeah, great emotions, memories, and fantastic sex. She was begging me to cancel my trip to MED and fly to barranquilla instead so she can apologize to me and beg for my return. NO HAPPENING! I'll take my chances having a fun time as a single guy in Med instead. Tempted to post some pics of her on the photo board for Colombia since technically she is for sale.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1501621]I actually help a ton of people down here, but I'm not looking for a purpose in life doing it.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry. The Buddha teaches that our purpose in life is to ease the suffering of others. With emphasis on "purpose." What I write is not for self-aggrandizement. I know who I am, and I'm just as flawed as the next dude. I just share what has brought a lot of satisfaction, purpose and pleasure to me.

Only good energy, amigo!

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1501695]I'm sorry. The Buddha teaches that our purpose in life is to ease the suffering of others. With emphasis on "purpose." What I write is not for self-aggrandizement. I know who I am, and I'm just as flawed as the next dude. I just share what has brought a lot of satisfaction, purpose and pleasure to me.

Only good energy, amigo![/QUOTE]What does the Buddha teach you about coming to another country to fuck girls a third your age for money? Shove it up your ass, Richard Gere. If you wanted to do good and ease suffering, you'd start the Little Lebowski Urban Achievers. Instead, you come to a notorious mongering destination and look for hot girls interested in an exchange of money for sex, which you complicate to make yourself feel special. I've been down here a while, I see all the archetypes, man. I'm not even that dissimilar to you, but I'm not half as deluded ... which is saying something!

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1501702]What does the Buddha teach you about coming to another country to fuck girls a third your age for money? Shove it up your ass, Richard Gere.[/QUOTE]Anger and defensiveness does not put you in a good light, grasshopper. I do have compassion for you, though. It must have taken some painful experiences in your life to be so protective and self centered in your outlook. I would suggest that you shove it up your ass, but that kind of response is not productive, and besides, you'd enjoy that too much. Just kidding.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender;1501705]Anger and defensiveness does not put you in a good light, grasshopper. I do have compassion for you, though. It must have taken some painful experiences in your life to be so protective and self centered in your outlook. I would suggest that you shove it up your ass, but that kind of response is not productive, and besides, you'd enjoy that too much. Just kidding.[/QUOTE]And you must have more money than fucking brains. Congratulations. I have plenty of both and I try to seek a balance.

Way to avoid the issue at hand, by the way, that all your wonderful philanthropy seems to revolve around erections. Surely there is no one in the United States in need of your help and financial support, nor could you just send the money. No you NEED to deliver it to Colombia personally along with a couple drops of dusty old man ejaculation. That is totally necessary in order to right the wrongs in this world!

Hilarious! Why is it things are going along fairly civil, and the this stuff comes along?

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt; 1501710]And you must have more money than fucking brains. Congratulations. I have plenty of both and I try to seek a balance.

Way to avoid the issue at hand, by the way, that all your wonderful philanthropy seems to revolve around erections. Surely there is no one in the United States in need of your help and financial support, nor could you just send the money. No you NEED to deliver it to Colombia personally along with a couple drops of dusty old man ejaculation. That is totally necessary in order to right the wrongs in this world![/QUOTE]I've, thorough my foundation, provided an education (including law school for one) for two young men from Malawi. Also, I've given scholarships to several students in the USA, but my feeling is that in the USA there are ways to achieve educational goals by yourself. Lots of grants, loans, etc. Wilt, you're becoming a bore. You are dismissed.

Cool, did the kids from Malawi blow you, too? No one's impressed. Since I'm "dismissed" I guess I will fuck off and let you have the last word. Please regale us with more ho-saving tales and why the average monger should put up with all these extra strings for a "sense of purpose." I am sure dozens will follow your advice.

[QUOTE=Razor77;1501630]I know a girl that is getting a free university ride that lives in Medellin. She never even met the guy in person that lives in the US. They met via a friend online and they talk daily but he has paid her way into school. Very generous. She calls him her boyfriend and surprisingly, she has never had another boyfriend since meeting this guy. He is like 30 now and she is 19 and they met 4 years ago and she actually thinks she is in love. I talk to her often because we are friends and though I would love to hit it because she is a virgin, she is crazy in love with this gringo that helps her. I asked her why he has never in 4 years visited and she says that he has no time to leave work and no money. I shake my head because this girl is so damn beautiful and sweet and she thinks that her life should revolve around the guy. That is an example of a girl brainwashed by love. Ay Dios Mio. But, I do understand the member on here wanting to help with education. If you have the money and you enjoy helping others less fortunate then that is awesome. The icing on the cake is if you can help them and when you are visiting you get some hot sex then even better. I personally don't make that type of money to pay for a girls college but if I did and if it wouldn't hurt my lifestyle then it would be nice.[/QUOTE]Wow! Now that is extreme! A novio for 4 years and have never met in person.

I hope at least they video chat LOL.

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1501748]Wow! Now that is extreme! A novio for 4 years and have never met in person.

I hope at least they video chat LOL.[/QUOTE]My dos pesos. I've been in my fair share of flame battles so I can't judge those involved but I will say everybody has a valid point.

Do what ever you like and who cares what the next man thinks? Dude ain't got to walk in my shoes, pay my bills, worry about my troubles, so why care who the next guy is? Some dudes love cheap cheap pussy, right on. Some guys like the GFE or from the sounds of it Wifey Exp. Right on.

I've wifey up a few working girls before my time. It's hard to not get jealous, it's hard to have guys come here and talk shit about a girl you care about (if that is the case). Being cool and not cheap is my theme song in life and not with just these working girls. A few times I had great months with huge commission checks (IMO and for the time, some of ya'll might have taller stacks) so what's a Western Union to me? $150 is nothing to me. That's like one new shirt, two hands of black jack, a round of drinks. To Working girl it's rent, bills, her kids school, her moms pills. So fudge it. I offered, she accepted and we both felt happy. Yes I've had girl try to play me. And yes I've fallen for it! Most everybody what has had a girlfriend foreign or domestic has had been in a money situation with a girl. It's a part of life. That's part of the game. Either you're playing the game or being played. If you don't know which you're doing then you being played.

Just because the next man thinks you're a chump. Good for him. Just because the next man wants to send Wendy to College. Good for him. No matter to me because I ain't the next man, I can only be me. I have a novia. A real novia. At fist I was worried she was catting around on me, I learned to trust her and I think she turns the blind eye to me sneaking off every one a week when I visit. Do I help her out with bills? Yep. Casue she's my girl. NOT because I'm getting played or I'm trying to feel like King of the world. But because I feel it's the right thing to do. This girl is special to me. An amazing girl who I honestly feel I can trust.

"Do what you feel" Slim Charles "The Wire"

Once again I've flame battled many guys here so yeah I know how odd it sounds coming from me! LOL!

About the story I quoted.

Dude that makes Manti To'e thing seem plausible! So many questions and things that don't seem to add up. 4 years and he's never come down for a visit? Granted we don't have the same number of holiday weekends like Colombia but "shhhheeeesshhh!"

If dude was in his 20's and she was in her mid teems. Something sounds and smells fishy. Granted I can see where she would be enomorada with this guy. He got her when she was super young (not of age?) and he got his hooks into her. I just can't see why he'd do what he do. Maybe the idea of a girlfriend is enough for this dude.

Cheers! Hope You all enjoy the holiday!

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1501748]Wow! Now that is extreme! A novio for 4 years and have never met in person.

I hope at least they video chat LOL.[/QUOTE]They talk on the phone and skype but she has never gotten naked for him. I'm telling you that it is the weirdest thing ever. She could have her choice of gringo's or latin men if she wanted but she is in love. Not because of the college either. She has known him since she was 15 and after so many years I guess the love, (or thought of love) is real. I have tried to point out to her that if she is seriously waiting for him to come and sweep her off her feet then she is missing so much of her life because of him. Kinda a dick thing to do to her. She is not a working girl and cries when he doesn't make time for her. I got to find him and ask what type of freaking voodoo spells he uses. I saw a picture of him. He is an overweight spanish guy. I'm guessing he hasn't visited for a few reasons. 1. He is married. 2. He is in the US illegally. 3. He is an absolutely fucking moron.

After, mongering in Medellin for 1 week I have a good idea of the place. First, this place is completely beautiful. I have not visited Brazil but this place has the most beautiful women on the face of the earth that I've seen. If you can speak Spanish fluently there is plenty of opportunity for you to find a girl friend or wife. Colombian women are completely open to dating foreigners. Even middle-age women look gorgeous here. Now for mongering, I would recommend the casas. Why? I went to a casa picked out a chica 7 in looks con grande culo. In the casas you don't pay first. I love this concept. I went in expecting trienta minutos and had sex for 2 hours. No one knocked on the door or bothered us. Damage 120k for 2 hours. Included BBJ and anal for 50k tip. This chica was amazing. Now, I've visited the strip clubs Maracibo and Executive. I wouldn't recommend visiting them more than twice. Bad service and someone knocks on the door even when you're not finished. Chicas in Maracibo are between 5-7 in looks however they have lots of energy. Now in reality there are more beautiful women walking the street of Medellin than in any club you go to. I got a phone number from a chica 10 in looks just hanging out at a restaurant. Colombians love to party and have fun. I would truly visit this country again without the intention of mongering. However, again Spanish is a must. I stayed here for 1 week and only met 1 person who could speak English semi-fluently. Also, this place is far safer than what most people imagine. Also, I didn't meet one monger while I was here which means it's a pretty big and sophisticated city.

That's a pretty odd situation but hopefully it works out.

I've got nothing against helping someone and I don't advise against it per se. I advise against it as a means of you getting something out of it, whether emotional, sexual or both. If you're doing it just to get something, your heart is in the wrong place probably and, more importantly you probably won't get what you're after. This turned into something confrontational that may have obscured that. My last GF down here, I paid all her study prep for university entry and a lot of other shit for her. It didn't work out and for that reason I'm glad I did what I did and not a whole lot more. The last thing I would advise people to do is be cheap and make mongering all about some sort of Coupon Wars-style game to see who can get the most service for the least money. I always advise people to tip for good service and show respect to a woman whether she is a prepago, the Virgin Mary or one of the many women in between. That said, don't get over-invested. It's easy to do!

[quote=partypooper87;1501801]in the casas you don't pay first. i love this concept.[/quote]not true for all casas. coffee house (the casa that is connected to the love motel) you pay first. when your time is up they call the phone in your room (you can request more time on the phone). i believe most have reported at lindas chicas you pay the mamasan first as well.

[quote=partypooper87;1501801]also, this place is far safer than what most people imagine.[/quote]sure, if you never venture out of poblado, lleras, or laureles.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt; 1501808]That's a pretty odd situation but hopefully it works out.

I've got nothing against helping someone and I don't advise against it per se. I advise against it as a means of you getting something out of it, whether emotional, sexual or both. If you're doing it just to get something, your heart is in the wrong place probably and, more importantly you probably won't get what you're after.[/QUOTE]I think it's called Karma. I learned to give not because I have much, but because I know exactly how it feels to have NOTHING.

Only good energy, amigo

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1501819]Not true for all casas. Coffee House (the casa that is connected to the love motel) you pay first. When your time is up they call the phone in your room (you can request more time on the phone). I believe most have reported at Lindas Chicas you pay the mamasan first as well.

Sure, if you never venture out of Poblado, Lleras, or Laureles.[/QUOTE]You pay first at Aiffe, too, at loads of casas, actually. Not sure where he is getting this info.

Is Coffee House any good these days? I went once and was impressed but I didn't have time to session. A couple other times I have gone, it was pretty dead.

I think New Life is probably the only casa that let's you pay AFTER. Paying upfront to the manager is not a big deal for me, it's just how business is done here. I always ask to chat with the chica first before committing to the session.

Went to Coffee Shop (Cra 45 #55-45) and it's sister casa, Sarita / Leidy (Calle 55 #43-72) today around 3-ish. Did not session, only 1 chica out of a lineup of 6/7 in each would have been do-able if I had not just sessioned at Afrodita (Cra 45 #56-45) These 3 places all charge 35k / 60k.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1501829]Is Coffee House any good these days? I went once and was impressed but I didn't have time to session. A couple other times I have gone, it was pretty dead.[/QUOTE]I've only been once. The time I went they had this short Afro-Colombiana named Analucia who had a ridiculous phat bubble ass and small frame. Took her for a spin, but the session did not turn out well (for me) since I had just came from a session at New Life (and had not recharged in time). I haven't been back there though.

[QUOTE=Razor77;1501783]They talk on the phone and skype but she has never gotten naked for him. I'm telling you that it is the weirdest thing ever. She could have her choice of gringo's or latin men if she wanted but she is in love. Not because of the college either. She has known him since she was 15 and after so many years I guess the love, (or thought of love) is real. I have tried to point out to her that if she is seriously waiting for him to come and sweep her off her feet then she is missing so much of her life because of him. Kinda a dick thing to do to her. She is not a working girl and cries when he doesn't make time for her. I got to find him and ask what type of freaking voodoo spells he uses. I saw a picture of him. He is an overweight spanish guy. I'm guessing he hasn't visited for a few reasons. 1. He is married. 2. He is in the US illegally. 3. He is an absolutely fucking moron.[/QUOTE]Yep, there obviously has to be a reason why this dude doesn't visit his hot 'girlfriend'.

You named 3 good reasons.

I'll add nbr 4: a convicted Felon.

If he hasn't come to see her in 4 years or so, he's probably not coming, especially if she's so hot.

We'd all have been there after a couple weeks of chatting LOL.

She'll wake up eventually though and realize, and then be sad and pissed off and probably hate gringos or all men, etc LOL

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777; 1501764]My dos pesos. I've been in my fair share of flame battles so I can't judge those involved but I will say everybody has a valid point.

Do what ever you like and who cares what the next man thinks? Dude ain't got to walk in my shoes, pay my bills, worry about my troubles, so why care who the next guy is? Some dudes love cheap cheap pussy, right on. Some guys like the GFE or from the sounds of it Wifey Exp. Right on.[/QUOTE]I totally agree.

[QUOTE=Razor77;1501783]They talk on the phone and skype but she has never gotten naked for him. I'm telling you that it is the weirdest thing ever. She could have her choice of gringo's or Latin men if she wanted but she is in love. Not because of the college either. She has known him since she was 15 and after so many years I guess the love, (or thought of love) is real. I have tried to point out to her that if she is seriously waiting for him to come and sweep her off her feet then she is missing so much of her life because of him. Kinda a dick thing to do to her. She is not a working girl and cries when he doesn't make time for her. I got to find him and ask what type of freaking voodoo spells he uses. I saw a picture of him. He is an overweight Spanish guy. I'm guessing he hasn't visited for a few reasons. 1. He is married. 2. He is in the US illegally. 3. He is an absolutely fucking moron.[/QUOTE]Well, you just blow my cover.

Thanks,

Kukulkan

There's been talking going on here that whether you pay the girl's tuition or expensive gifts, etc, we are all just "mongers" in denial.

Well, I've never liked that word and the attitude it implies (I prefer hobbyist or P4P myself, although I know that's somewhat vague). Words have all kinds of connotations. If all hobbyists are categorized as mongers, and all hookers are dismissed as w*s, well then no wonder people get mad when someone is blowing wads of cash on some chica's college tuition, LOL!

But there can be shades of grey when it comes to these things. There was an era once when affluent men fell in love with courtesans, or had kept women they supported on the side. Such things hardly exist nowadays but guys like Legal Tender keep some of those old practices going. Most guys on this board are on a tight budget, especially nowadays, but if you have the money to burn, I don't see what the big deal is. Myself, I don't have that kind of money to spare, but if I did, I would consider doing it for the "right girl." As long as you have your eyes completely open and realize no amount of cash can guarantee affection or loyalty or trust.

So enjoy the game but realize it's a fantasy. And all fantasies end. Of course, once one ends you can begin another one with someone else. The new fantasy will be a little different from the previous one, but with the right attitude can be just as fun (even more!). My approach comes from my user name. The main question is: are you having fun? If no, it could be from lack of knowledge or experience (not really your fault) or it could be the wrong approach or attitude (mostly your fault).

I've noticed a lot of guys here recently posting concern about the girls true feelings or intentions. When I was younger that worried me a lot as well. Now as I start to get older and less age-compatible it actually seems less an issue. I just take for granted that of couse holding things equal a chica is going to want to be with a guy her age from her part of the world. But once you accept that, you can actually be more relaxed around her. Remember, these girls can have doubts about you as well. They are probably thinking, this guy has had so many women, and he has money, he probably just sees me as another notch on his bedpost, or a trophy for his collection.

Sorry about rambling but the basic point is you will go insane if you obsess over these things. Just focus on having fun and being affectionate with these chicas, you will have mostly good experiences and minimize your chances of "being taken to the cleaners!"

While making my morning rounds, I saw many of my regulars aimlessly wondering around Plaza Botero. Making matters more confusing, the girls of CL 52 were on CL 53. What's up? The Mayor making good his promise to clean up El Centro? These girls normally find a comfort zone and camp there for life. Then I found the answer. The front of Vera Cruz had been cordoned off to replace paving stones. This was so traumatic that some of the girls even went home.

Not to worry. They plan to finsh in time for the Christmas Chaos which will start Monday. For all you guys who live in Gringolandia, come up town. The water´s fine. The Mayor has really beefed up police and army presence. I´ve only seen three robberies and one stabbing so far this week. Crime´s down considerably!

Phunluv I think that was an insightful post, thank you.

[QUOTE=Phunluv;1501980]Most guys on this board are on a tight budget, especially nowadays, but if you have the money to burn, I don't see what the big deal is. Myself, I don't have that kind of money to spare, but if I did, I would consider doing it for the "right girl."[/QUOTE]I think it all boils down to perspective. I guess to some guys "money to burn" equates to putting a chick up and paying her way through college.

To me (and I am sure others on this board)"money to burn" equates to frequent, longer trips to multiple countries, and banging newer and increasingly hotter women. That would be my definition of getting the best ROI. If I want to be charitable, there is always the Red Cross and the Humane Society.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1501822]I think it's called Karma. I learned to give not because I have much, but because I know exactly how it feels to have NOTHING.

Only good energy, amigo[/QUOTE]Too many asshole scumbags making kabillions and living the life they want.

Too many good hearted people living a tortured existence, no, there is no Karma.

But there are mongers. After all is said and done at the end of 2013, we are mongers, very plain and simple.

A very lucky bunch we are too.

Best

As a monger, one of the best things you can do for yourself is to NOT give the impression that you are just some old, lonely guy who is loaded and an unlimited ATM withdrawal. If you are bored, spend some time today watching the "Deadly Women" marathon on Investigation Discovery (ID). Some of the shit on there will definitely have you sleeping with one eye open, LOL!

[QUOTE=Phunluv; 1501980]I've noticed a lot of guys here recently posting concern about the girls true feelings or intentions. When I was younger that worried me a lot as well. Now as I start to get older and less age-compatible it actually seems less an issue. I just take for granted that of couse holding things equal a chica is going to want to be with a guy her age from her part of the world. But once you accept that, you can actually be more relaxed around her. Remember, these girls can have doubts about you as well. They are probably thinking, this guy has had so many women, and he has money, he probably just sees me as another notch on his bedpost, or a trophy for his collection.

Sorry about rambling but the basic point is you will go insane if you obsess over these things. Just focus on having fun and being affectionate with these chicas, you will have mostly good experiences and minimize your chances of "being taken to the cleaners!"[/QUOTE]As Warren Buffett says, he wants to leave his kids enough to do anything they want, but not so much that they can do nothing. Keep this in mind when helping these girls. Maybe a little help when serious difficulty arises and advice is the sweet spot. If they are always in need they are working you or are lazy. Most of the girls I am with are lazy and I accept that about them.

First off there is extreme poverty in MDE. Many of you read about the minimum wage of 600k ($350 / month) and think OMG how can they live off of this. The majority of the poor can't even find jobs that will pay them this. It is difficult for many poor girls to find steady work that pays 25k+ per day. A few people within a house work and support the entire family. There is no need for these extreme payment arrangements if one has time in MDE. If you want to do it, then that is up to you. Don't forget that if you throw money at them they will lose respect for you IMO.

If one has time in MDE there are plenty of 7's and 8's who will spend extended time with you for 100k or less and they don't have words like hour or condom in their vocabulary. Most of these girls are not aspiring college students. They are just poor and a victim of poverty. This is 90%+ of the girls you will meet in MDE. Many of these girls are satisfied with the money that you give them and have no desire to seek out other men. 9's I find hard to keep fresh irregardless of how you meet them. By the way I have a tough rating scale so add 1 to each of these numbers if you don't.

The difference is swimming in the shallow end of the pool versus the deep end of the pool. Let me explain. The shallow end of the pool is when girls are available to a wide variety of men such as MP's, Strip Clubs, The Mansion, Facebook, etc. The deep end of the pool is when girls are not having sex with an abundance of men. The deep end of the pool is desirable from the standpoint of getting a fresh attitude and essence as well not getting any sex restrictions. I swim in the shallow end of the pool sometimes, and enjoy it, but can see the difference from the deep end. IMO girls in the deep end of the pool who will accept direct payment for sex are better than regular girls. I won't get into that here though. Some Vets only swim in the shallow end and this is cool also. To each their own. Some of the girls that you meet in the deep end will find their way into the shallow end. Deal with this as you will. For you guys who have short trips, the shallow end of the pool is all that is available and the shallow end is a good place in MDE. If I traveled to another city for a week I would consider myself lucky to be with the caliber of girls that many of you guys are with in Medellin.

Here are a few easy ideas for you guys who have extended time. First, if you meet a girl in the shallow end, who is new and has a fresh attitude, get her phone number. If she is reluctant to give it to you tell her that you will only call her if she quits. Two of my favorite girls I met in their first week in Centro casas, who quit, and I transitioned them to the room. I read on the forum a few weeks ago some complaining about girls quitting at Aiffe. If they were new and you got their numbers this would be a good thing. Second, get referrals from the girls that you already know. Be very clear that you can get working girls very easily and that you are looking for girls with limited or no experience. It is also important to let them know that there is no rush and you have all the time in the world and quality is what counts. Third, taxi drivers can be good if you can find the right ones that you can trust. There are many other ideas as well but I just wanted to touch on a few easy ideas.

Don't be surprised if some new girls will not give you a BJ or DATY but will let you have endless no condom sex with them. IMO there is a big difference between a girl not doing these things for professional reasons versus innocence reasons. In the poor barrios many these girls make out, with light petting, and then jump into sex. I am sure some of you Vets can identify with this. Now you know where this stems from.

Success as a Hobbyist in Colombia and other countries that have a deep end is a mindset. Once you have the right mindset the girls can see it in your eyes and they treat you differently. I have found the girls in MDE to be smoking hot, easy to entertain, great in bed, and in general cool to be around. I would encourage the Vets to write more about the deep end and discourage the readers from attacking them for doing so.

Good Luck to all and enjoy the Holidays.

VJ

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1502109]As a monger, one of the best things you can do for yourself is to NOT give the impression that you are just some old, lonely guy who is loaded and an unlimited ATM withdrawal. If you are bored, spend some time today watching the "Deadly Women" marathon on Investigation Discovery (ID). Some of the shit on there will definitely have you sleeping with one eye open, LOL![/QUOTE]It's pretty hard to be bore and lonely in Medellin if you have a little coin in your pocket.

Paisas get that there is a lot of competition to get in your bed. In Colombia you can have a smoking hot girlfriend that lives with you 24/7 for about $1000-$1500 a month out of pocket and beat that ass up a couple times a day if you want. But if you aren't living there you really don't have the opportunity to take full advantage of the situation.

If it makes you feel good paying a girls college tuition. Try and imagine what it feels like to take care of her and bang her senseless everyday.

Guys just have to remember that there are a lot more of them then there are of you. You are the commodity. You set the terms. Not them.

Many freelancers as well. All welcome and special no cover tonight


And tomorrow night we're having a Whip Cream Stripper Show.
Need willing boys to lick the cream off the girls. If you're diabetic we can find something else for you to lick;)

[QUOTE=Vegas Jeff;1502114]Success as a Hobbyist in Colombia and other countries that have a deep end is a mindset. Once you have the right mindset the girls can see it in your eyes and they treat you differently. I have found the girls in MDE to be smoking hot, easy to entertain, great in bed, and in general cool to be around. I would encourage the Vets to write more about the deep end and discourage the readers from attacking them for doing so.[/QUOTE]Excellent write up Vegas Jeff. There really isn't much to add to this. I think all of us are eventually trying to get to the "Deep End". The tools you listed to help get there are very good ideas.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1502179]Excellent write up Vegas Jeff. There really isn't much to add to this. I think all of us are eventually trying to get to the "Deep End". The tools you listed to help get there are very good ideas.[/QUOTE]I definitely agree with Jeff but I don't think those are things you can impart to people on a message board, personally. A lot of guys here don't seem to understand the concept of "your mileage may vary"

[QUOTE=Vegas Jeff;1502114]Here are a few easy ideas for you guys who have extended time. First, if you meet a girl in the shallow end, who is new and has a fresh attitude, get her phone number. If she is reluctant to give it to you tell her that you will only call her if she quits. Two of my favorite girls I met in their first week in Centro casas, who quit, and I transitioned them to the room. I read on the forum a few weeks ago some complaining about girls quitting at Aiffe. If they were new and you got their numbers this would be a good thing. Second, get referrals from the girls that you already know. Be very clear that you can get working girls very easily and that you are looking for girls with limited or no experience. It is also important to let them know that there is no rush and you have all the time in the world and quality is what counts. Third, taxi drivers can be good if you can find the right ones that you can trust. There are many other ideas as well but I just wanted to touch on a few easy ideas.[/QUOTE]This is a great post. I want to try the deep end!

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1502070]I think it all boils down to perspective. I guess to some guys "money to burn" equates to putting a chick up and paying her way through college.

To me (and I am sure others on this board)"money to burn" equates to frequent, longer trips to multiple countries, and banging newer and increasingly hotter women. That would be my definition of getting the best ROI. If I want to be charitable, there is always the Red Cross and the Humane Society.[/QUOTE]All of life is all about perspective and I think it's the rare individual whose perspective is not solely derived from financial status.

There is 'money to burn' and then there is 'money to burn'

Those with the latter almost never speak about having it because those without never tire of complaining about those who have and how they spend it.

How much did you give this year to the Red Cross and how good does giving to them really make you feel? My guess is, like most of us, probably nothing because it just doesn't feel that good.

[QUOTE=Vegas Jeff;1502114]. The difference is swimming in the shallow end of the pool versus the deep end of the pool. Let me explain. The shallow end of the pool is when girls are available to a wide variety of men such as MP's, Strip Clubs, The Mansion, Facebook, etc. The deep end of the pool is when girls are not having sex with an abundance of men. The deep end of the pool is desirable from the standpoint of getting a fresh attitude and essence as well not getting any sex restrictions. I swim in the shallow end of the pool sometimes, and enjoy it, but can see the difference from the deep end. IMO girls in the deep end of the pool who will accept direct payment for sex are better than regular girls. I won't get into that here though. Some Vets only swim in the shallow end and this is cool also. To each their own. Some of the girls that you meet in the deep end will find their way into the shallow end. Deal with this as you will. For you guys who have short trips, the shallow end of the pool is all that is available and the shallow end is a good place in MDE. If I traveled to another city for a week I would consider myself lucky to be with the caliber of girls that many of you guys are with in Medellin.[/QUOTE]What an excellent analogy of the scene in Medellin, which could apply to various other cities in Latin America as well.

I have to admit, I almost always swim in the shallow end of the pool, looking and hoping to find the 'new' gem.

Over the years I've gotten pretty good at hanging out in the shallow end and finding keepers, and to be honest, whenever I have dabbled over in the deep end of the pool, I've felt out of my comfort zone.

I know what I'm good at, and I've learned to stay there. I'm more than satisfied with sweet. 7-8+, occasional 9 type girls.

The older I get, the more I like being with girls who actually click with me and enjoy being with me as well, and not just the quick PFP.

Having good contacts, like taxistas, local friends, etc, like you refer to, I agree, is key.

As an example, in Brazil, where I mostly hang out, I have befriended various 'madams' from various casas, clubs, etc over the years. They actually call or text me to let me know when a new girl shows up that they know is my type.

Bringing these madams little gifts, chocolates, etc helps out greatly LOL.

I also like how your anaology doesn't demean guys who prefer to swim in either end of the pool.

Like you say, it's all cool, to each their own, and enjoy.

Thank you,

Happy Holidays.

[QUOTE=Socker; 1502099]Too many asshole scumbags making kabillions and living the life they want.

Too many good hearted people living a tortured existence, no, there is no Karma.[/QUOTE]I've always believed in Karma, and I always will.

I enjoy living with good Karma, whether it's real or just percieved.

PS, Interestingly enough, the wealthiest people I know or have known, have been far from the happiest, and in some cases actually very sad.

Of course having money to spend is a good thing, I'm no dummy LOL, however, a good balance of other type fortunes is just as important.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1502335]I've always believed in Karma, and I always will.

I enjoy living with good Karma, whether it's real or just percieved.

PS, Interestingly enough, the wealthiest people I know or have known, have been far from the happiest, and in some cases actually very sad.

Of course having money to spend is a good thing, I'm no dummy LOL, however, a good balance of other type fortunes is just as important.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Good post amigo, but some guys will never get it. That's why I mostly travel solo nowadays. The last thing I need is some bad lucked jinxed guy putting a hex on me because of some bullshit he is constantly doing. Being able to travel and live the life I live is proof that "doing right" is rewarded.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1502206]There is 'money to burn' and then there is 'money to burn'[/QUOTE]What? Crack pipe much?

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1502206][b]How much did you give this year to the Red Cross[/b] and how good does giving to them really make you feel? My guess is, like most of us, probably nothing because it just doesn't feel that good.[/QUOTE]Why do you care what I give to the Red Cross? Doesn't that run counter with your other cracked-induced statement?:

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1502206]those without never tire of complaining about those who have and how they spend it.
[/QUOTE]

You didn't have to waste forum space to tell us that you don't give charitable donations because it "just doesn't feel that good"; nor did I come on here trying to guilt anyone into donating to the Red Cross!

And let's stop with the bullshit. If you were really concerned about "chicas going to college" I am certain there is no shortage of scholarship funds in Colombia that you could contribute to. But that "doesn't feel that good" as taking advantage of a situation and making a "direct donation" (into) a chica, now does it?

Tricking your earnings on "tuition payments" on women (other than your immediate family) is a lifestyle choice. There is nothing noble about it, so stop trying to guilt others into thinking otherwise.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1502353]Good post amigo, but some guys will never get it. That's why I mostly travel solo nowadays. The last thing I need is some bad lucked jinxed guy putting a hex on me because of some bullshit he is constantly doing. Being able to travel and live the life I live is proof that "doing right" is rewarded.[/QUOTE]I was going to quote Ricker but this is worth a "big up" as well.

You reap what you so. If you try to live your life looking out for #1. Then that's what the world or Karma if you want will return to you. I always try my best to not be a jerk and to be kind when and where ever I can. This insures more good luck and positive energy in the world and for me in my life.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1502353]Good post amigo, but some guys will never get it. That's why I mostly travel solo nowadays. The last thing I need is some bad lucked jinxed guy putting a hex on me because of some bullshit he is constantly doing. Being able to travel and live the life I live is proof that "doing right" is rewarded.[/QUOTE]I too, almost always run solo myself.

Just recently, however, I was with a guy, kind of a sad sack who was telling me about his recent bad luck with women.

I felt bad for him, so I called a girl I know to come over and to bring a friendly friend, for my 'buddy'.

She brought over a real sweety for him, and to say the least, he was thrilled.

Over dinner, I translated, got the details worked out on how long she would stay, how much he would 'help' her out with, etc.

Everybody agreed and everybody was happy.

The girl really didn't want much either, she was more than happy with the deal, like I said, a real sweetheart and shy.

To make a long story short, later on just after the girls left in a cab, my girl calls and says that her friend is very sad because my friend never gave her any of the promised 'help'.

I was stunned, and I quizzed my so called buddy about the money, and he says to me,"Dude, she never asked for it, so what the f#k, I didn't give it to her"

I wanted to punch him in the nose, and realized why he has so many girl problems.

Total dip- shit, but maybe I should have known, because incredibly at dinner, when the check came, he said he didn't have any money on him, a sign of things to come.

The next day, I met up with the girls and took care of the sweety, and made her a new friend for myself.

This guy actually asked me for the girls contact info later, and I just basically laughed it off.

He obviously just doesn't get it, and his Karma definitely follows him.

Karma or whatever it may be, what comes around, goes around.

i agree 100. should be official monger info. over mde.

partyp is 100% right. i have lived in several cities in several countries in latin america, and it's only brasil that is somewhat equal, venezuela could be but even hotter, but is simply too dangerous these days, at least according to statistics. even here at isg, caracas have 300 reports, mde has 10.000.

[quote=partypooper87;1501801]after, mongering in medellin for 1 week i have a good idea of the place. first, this place is completely beautiful. i have not visited brazil but this place has the most beautiful women on the face of the earth that i've seen. if you can speak spanish fluently there is plenty of opportunity for you to find a girl friend or wife. colombian women are completely open to dating foreigners. even middle-age women look gorgeous here. now for mongering, i would recommend the casas. why? i went to a casa picked out a chica 7 in looks con grande culo. in the casas you don't pay first. i love this concept. i went in expecting trienta minutos and had sex for 2 hours. no one knocked on the door or bothered us. damage 120k for 2 hours. included bbj and anal for 50k tip. this chica was amazing. now, i've visited the strip clubs maracibo and executive. i wouldn't recommend visiting them more than twice. bad service and someone knocks on the door even when you're not finished. chicas in maracibo are between 5-7 in looks however they have lots of energy. now in reality there are more beautiful women walking the street of medellin than in any club you go to. i got a phone number from a chica 10 in looks just hanging out at a restaurant. colombians love to party and have fun. i would truly visit this country again without the intention of mongering. however, again spanish is a must. i stayed here for 1 week and only met 1 person who could speak english semi-fluently. also, this place is far safer than what most people imagine. also, i didn't meet one monger while i was here which means it's a pretty big and sophisticated city.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1502380]To make a long story short, later on just after the girls left in a cab, my girl calls and says that her friend is very sad because my friend never gave her any of the promised 'help'.

I was stunned, and I quizzed my so called buddy about the money, and he says to me,"Dude, she never asked for it, so what the f#k, I didn't give it to her"

I wanted to punch him in the nose, and realized why he has so many girl problems.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1502353]Good post amigo, but some guys will never get it. That's why I mostly travel solo nowadays. The last thing I need is some bad lucked jinxed guy putting a hex on me because of some bullshit he is constantly doing.[/QUOTE]Spot fucking ON! Ricker's example is also the reason why I do not fuck with too many people when I am traveling. Too many times you end up helping someone who is only trying to help themselves.

. For this thread!

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1502372]What? Crack pipe much?

Why do you care what I give to the Red Cross? Doesn't that run counter with your other cracked-induced statement? :

You didn't have to waste forum space to tell us that you don't give charitable donations because it "just doesn't feel that good"; nor did I come on here trying to guilt anyone into donating to the Red Cross!

And let's stop with the bullshit. If you were really concerned about "chicas going to college" I am certain there is no shortage of scholarship funds in Colombia that you could contribute to. But that "doesn't feel that good" as taking advantage of a situation and making a "direct donation" (into) a chica, now does it?

Tricking your earnings on "tuition payments" on women (other than your immediate family) is a lifestyle choice. There is nothing noble about it, so stop trying to guilt others into thinking otherwise.[/QUOTE]I don't care but then I didn't bring it up, you did. I would never, ever 'suggest' to anyone who to give their money to or how to or not to spend it.

But then I think you rather missed my point there old man.

Contrary to this sites moniker, the world's greatest aphrodisiac is manipulating other people, especially women. Money is just a vehicle. And those with money have been 'jonesing' on it since time began.

And those without money use guns and those without guns use religion, but I digress. So paying tuition, on it's surface, seems almost innocent doesn't it.

Fun being a monger, huh.

[QUOTE=Almotu;1502420]I feel sad . For this thread![/QUOTE]Relax man, this thread is and always has been dynamic.

From trip reports, to philosophies, to occasional fights and disagreements.

It's an internet sex-guide forum, nothing to get sad about.

Enjoy life mi amigo!

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1502331]What an excellent analogy of the scene in Medellin, which could apply to various other cities in Latin America as well.

I have to admit, I almost always swim in the shallow end of the pool, looking and hoping to find the 'new' gem.

Over the years I've gotten pretty good at hanging out in the shallow end and finding keepers, and to be honest, whenever I have dabbled over in the deep end of the pool, I've felt out of my comfort zone.

I know what I'm good at, and I've learned to stay there. I'm more than satisfied with sweet. 7-8+, occasional 9 type girls.

The older I get, the more I like being with girls who actually click with me and enjoy being with me as well, and not just the quick PFP.

Having good contacts, like taxistas, local friends, etc, like you refer to, I agree, is key.

As an example, in Brazil, where I mostly hang out, I have befriended various 'madams' from various casas, clubs, etc over the years. They actually call or text me to let me know when a new girl shows up that they know is my type.

Bringing these madams little gifts, chocolates, etc helps out greatly LOL.

I also like how your anaology doesn't demean guys who prefer to swim in either end of the pool.

Like you say, it's all cool, to each their own, and enjoy.

Thank you,

Happy Holidays.[/QUOTE]I really enjoyed Vegas Jeff's analogy of the pool. Like Ricker, I too tend to hang in the shallows, but always on the lookout for the occasional diamond. If I had more time I'd spend it in the deep end, but I don't. The last few days that I've been here in Medellin, I have been working with my manager of Liquid to recruit chicas that are somewhere in between. I'm hoping to get a sweet and pretty group who consider Liquid their home away from home. It has started already with a small group, but I intend to improve on it, but at least now we always have a fairly reliable group that hangs at Liquid willing to party with the guests. I'll post a few pics when I get them moved on to my laptop.

Went to an MP this afternoon, I have no idea the name. It's a bar on La Playa (Calle 52) , basically La Playa con Junin (cra 49). You will see a Presto (nasty hamburger chain place) walk past it (away from La Playa) and walk up the steps.

There were maybe eight girls working, three of which looked decent (6 or 7 out of 10 rating).35K COP half hour includes oral, vaginal and massage. 70K COP includes two pops if you can get them in. I don't know what BBBJ is but for all extras (kissing / BBFS / anal) was quoted 50K by the girl I talked to. The place is set up like a bar, has stripper poles, big screens, bar, tables and then little bedrooms in the back. Not bad because you can kind of hang out there. I always feel weird sitting in the waiting room at most MPs, I don't get the guys who sit there and fuck around for a long time. Not really a chill atmosphere to me. This place was OK, decent music also. I only went because I hollered at a chick on the street and, as it turned out, she worked there. That is the third time in as many months that I've run down a "non pro" on the street only to later to discover she was a pro. Medellin makes, the world takes ;)

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1502466]Relax man, this thread is and always has been dynamic.

From trip reports, to philosophies, to occasional fights and disagreements.

It's an internet sex-guide forum, nothing to get sad about.

Enjoy life mi amigo![/QUOTE]I just rather share info without having to hear all the excuses, rationalizations and moaning. Amigo, I miss hanging out with you and your bro but it's stories like the one you just related that I rather fly solo sometimes. Those type of people give hobbyists a bad name!

Tables and chairs are allowed on the sidewalk again for the restaurants and only for the restaurants. Not sure when. Only an intel from a friend who is there right now. Strip is packed with chicas tonight.

Cheers.

Lots of fireworks in the sky tonight as the calendar rolls into December 1. The start of the holiday season. Feliz Navidad everyone!

Went to the Barra Ejecutiva, Maracaibo, F2 and SD street scene tonight.

F2 talent was pretty nice but not much new and all the same boring attitudes. I thought about going with Julieta but I didn't feel much enthusiasm from her so I passed. I saw Leidy (not sure her stage name) , smoking hot, would recommend both of those. For me both those two and a blondie (Diana Catalina, again not sure about stage name) are kind of past tense though.

Barra Ejecutiva and Maracaibo were the usual "just miss" type of chicks, they look good from afar but in the light of day. Mehhhhh. OK selection though and relatively small crowds for a Saturday. I guess the whole December thing, just like on El Dia de Amor why Amistad, shit is slow.

Ultimately I saw Andrea in the SD area, taller girl, thin, decent sized B cups but they are kind of soft and not all that well formed. She is 18, very relaxed and eager to please. I would recommend her.

[QUOTE=Vegas Jeff; 1502114]As Warren Buffett says, he wants to leave his kids enough to do anything they want, but not so much that they can do nothing. Keep this in mind when helping these girls. Maybe a little help when serious difficulty arises and advice is the sweet spot. If they are always in need they are working you or are lazy. Most of the girls I am with are lazy and I accept that about them.

First off there is extreme poverty in MDE. Many of you read about the minimum wage of 600k ($350 / month) and think OMG how can they live off of this. The majority of the poor can't even find jobs that will pay them this. It is difficult for many poor girls to find steady work that pays 25k+ per day. A few people within a house work and support the entire family. There is no need for these extreme payment arrangements if one has time in MDE. If you want to do it, then that is up to you. Don't forget that if you throw money at them they will lose respect for you IMO.

If one has time in MDE there are plenty of 7's and 8's who will spend extended time with you for 100k or less and they don't have words like hour or condom in their vocabulary. Most of these girls are not aspiring college students. They are just poor and a victim of poverty. This is 90%+ of the girls you will meet in MDE. Many of these girls are satisfied with the money that you give them and have no desire to seek out other men. 9's I find hard to keep fresh irregardless of how you meet them. By the way I have a tough rating scale so add 1 to each of these numbers if you don't.

The difference is swimming in the shallow end of the pool versus the deep end of the pool. Let me explain. The shallow end of the pool is when girls are available to a wide variety of men such as MP's, Strip Clubs, The Mansion, Facebook, etc. The deep end of the pool is when girls are not having sex with an abundance of men. The deep end of the pool is desirable from the standpoint of getting a fresh attitude and essence as well not getting any sex restrictions. I swim in the shallow end of the pool sometimes, and enjoy it, but can see the difference from the deep end. IMO girls in the deep end of the pool who will accept direct payment for sex are better than regular girls. I won't get into that here though. Some Vets only swim in the shallow end and this is cool also. To each their own. Some of the girls that you meet in the deep end will find their way into the shallow end. Deal with this as you will. For you guys who have short trips, the shallow end of the pool is all that is available and the shallow end is a good place in MDE. If I traveled to another city for a week I would consider myself lucky to be with the caliber of girls that many of you guys are with in Medellin.

Here are a few easy ideas for you guys who have extended time. First, if you meet a girl in the shallow end, who is new and has a fresh attitude, get her phone number. If she is reluctant to give it to you tell her that you will only call her if she quits. Two of my favorite girls I met in their first week in Centro casas, who quit, and I transitioned them to the room. I read on the forum a few weeks ago some complaining about girls quitting at Aiffe. If they were new and you got their numbers this would be a good thing. Second, get referrals from the girls that you already know. Be very clear that you can get working girls very easily and that you are looking for girls with limited or no experience. It is also important to let them know that there is no rush and you have all the time in the world and quality is what counts. Third, taxi drivers can be good if you can find the right ones that you can trust. There are many other ideas as well but I just wanted to touch on a few easy ideas.

Don't be surprised if some new girls will not give you a BJ or DATY but will let you have endless no condom sex with them. IMO there is a big difference between a girl not doing these things for professional reasons versus innocence reasons. In the poor barrios many these girls make out, with light petting, and then jump into sex. I am sure some of you Vets can identify with this. Now you know where this stems from.

Success as a Hobbyist in Colombia and other countries that have a deep end is a mindset. Once you have the right mindset the girls can see it in your eyes and they treat you differently. I have found the girls in MDE to be smoking hot, easy to entertain, great in bed, and in general cool to be around. I would encourage the Vets to write more about the deep end and discourage the readers from attacking them for doing so.

Good Luck to all and enjoy the Holidays.

VJ[/QUOTE]There really isn't anything to add to VJ's observations and analysis, except it ought to be required reading. Very thoughtful and equally insightful.

Thank you

[QUOTE=Ricker;1502331]As an example, in Brazil, where I mostly hang out. .[/QUOTE]Ricker, I get the impression that you can live anywhere you want to live. You spend most of your time in Brazil. I can't imagine a place better than the City of Eternal Spring, but we're all limited by our knowledge. Why Brazil and not Medellin?

Just an FYI to everyone that Liquid was packed last night (Saturday). Probably the only bar in Medellin that was because of Alumbrado. Good mix of Chicas to Gringos, although we're still working on upping the quality of the girls. The partners had a meeting, and all agreed to keep a minimum of 5-10 girls every night regardless of the cost. We are going to a lot of extra trouble and expense to get really high quality girls, but to be honest it likely won't happen overnight.

For those that don't know, Alumbrado starts at midnight of Dec 1st and is the kickoff of the holiday celebrations and the City of Medellin is lit up all along the river in an extravagant, and spectacular fashion. Almost a carnival atmosphere. My first time here for it and I'm really grateful for it.

I'll post some great pics in the next few days.

I was wondering if anyone has used Fling there has been a lot of girls that are probably prepagao that I have seen on the site

It is just a question

Jeff's approach is pretty similar to mine, of course they don't necessarily have to quit their gigs, especially if they work in a higher end place where they are not constantly getting run through. I imagine it would be pretty nasty to be with a New Life girl after a long day at work LOL. I work that angle plus the SWs plus just cute girls I see in the Centro. Don't be a creep, but don't be afraid to stop a girl on the street, compliment her and ask for a number. The whiffs will be a lot easier to take knowing a home run is right around the corner.

The only thing I would say is that obviously for that a working level of Spanish is very necessary. I would also say it's important to do little things to win them over, not much but show them you are thoughtful. On the logistical side, I would say get your exams regularly (AIDS / HIV, Syphilis are the big ones, Herpes also I guess). Having those gives girls a lot more confidence if you are trying to bareback, build confidence, etc.

Browsing through the photo gallery section, I love how so many photos are taken by the girls themselves. Even fondly remembering my recent visit to Medellin, I found it endearing how a few women I met repeatedly took pictures of themselves. A quick look at other photo galleries in other countries show women covering their faces, or having the faces photoshopped out.

I am trying to think of the right word."Shameless" or "confident" just don't seem right, because they respect themselves and don't treat men in an arrogant way. Colombian women love life. They take joy in their own beauty. They appreciate it for the fleeting thing that it is. I just love that about them.

From Av8r : "The partners had a meeting, and all agreed to keep a minimum of 5-10 girls every night regardless of the cost. We are going to a lot of extra trouble and expense to get really high quality girls, but to be honest it likely won't happen overnight."

Thanks Av8r, I really will be looking forward to going back to MDE next spring with my buddies. Medellin was really in need of a place like this last time (to meet FL's) we were there. And actually, there was not 1 dominant place that I could say had a bunch of solid 7 to 10s. Ln all of the casas, strip clubs, and mps, you had to really scour to find the real gems. So its nice you are aiming for high quality! And also smart that you are ensuring the place does not sit devoid of at least some girls.

Hey guys,

I'm jumping forums to get some insight about Medellin. Currently I'm living in Bogota and the scene here is getting stale for my liking. It seems like all the action is happening in MDE! I've had some good experiences, along with some not-so-good ones in Bogota.

My question, do any of you strapping young lads have good contacts with chicas in Bogota? Perhaps some regulars you were acquainted with in MDE who moved to Bogota? Or anything of the sort? I guess for me, the most valuable input comes from experience / recommendations. Any advice is appreciated in advance!

One day I would like to visit Medellin, but my girlfriend says I can't go there without her! She's truly threatened by the Paisa women! Makes me all the more curious.

Also, if you're looking for a good conversation point with Paisa women. Ask them if they know where the term "Paisa" came from! I can't confirm if this is 100% true, but a friend (Bogotano) of mine told me that when Panama was looking for independence from Colombia, Medellin wanted to be independent too. So the term Paisa comes from "pais" + "aparte". Makes sense to me but again not 100% sure.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1502738]Jeff's approach is pretty similar to mine, of course they don't necessarily have to quit their gigs, especially if they work in a higher end place where they are not constantly getting run through. I imagine it would be pretty nasty to be with a New Life girl after a long day at work LOL. I work that angle plus the SWs plus just cute girls I see in the Centro. Don't be a creep, but don't be afraid to stop a girl on the street, compliment her and ask for a number. The whiffs will be a lot easier to take knowing a home run is right around the corner.[/QUOTE]There is no reason to get a girl from a mp after a long day of work when she is tired. It is easy to get a girl to take off work at an mp and come to your apartment. It is very important to call them 1-2 hours before their shift the day that you are going to meet with them. If you talk with them the night before, and then call them after their shift starts the next day, they will already be at work. Most of these girls won't trust you until they get to know you. Also, many mp's fine the girls for leaving early but if they call in it is no problem.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender;1502622]Ricker, I get the impression that you can live anywhere you want to live. You spend most of your time in Brazil. I can't imagine a place better than the City of Eternal Spring, but we're all limited by our knowledge. Why Brazil and not Medellin?[/QUOTE]LT.

If you're looking for Porn Star experience, Brasilian women are in a class of their own. And Rio is a World-class, spectacular City (though I am aware that Ricker spends most of his time in Sao Paulo).

While I do love MDE, Brasil IMO is the one place every monger should visit once in his life.

[QUOTE=Vegas Jeff;1503009]There is no reason to get a girl from a mp after a long day of work when she is tired. It is easy to get a girl to take off work at an mp and come to your apartment. It is very important to call them 1-2 hours before their shift the day that you are going to meet with them. If you talk with them the night before, and then call them after their shift starts the next day, they will already be at work. Most of these girls won't trust you until they get to know you. Also, many mp's fine the girls for leaving early but if they call in it is no problem.[/QUOTE]Hello VJ: Thanks for the sound advice, what is a fair amount to offer for an hour or so, accounting for the fact that the casa takes a commission? Can they just call in late without being fined, since I am not looking for a date. Just the opportunity to session in a clean & comfortable atmosphere.

To your knowledge, what is the fine for taking the day off? In my limited experience, chica math usually doesn't work in our favor and they will ask for top dollar even though we can just visit the casa the next day and pay way less!

[QUOTE=Almotu; 1503167]Hello VJ: Thanks for the sound advice, what is a fair amount to offer for an hour or so, accounting for the fact that the casa takes a commission? Can they just call in late without being fined, since I am not looking for a date. Just the opportunity to session in a clean & comfortable atmosphere.

To your knowledge, what is the fine for taking the day off? In my limited experience, chica math usually doesn't work in our favor and they will ask for top dollar even though we can just visit the casa the next day and pay way less![/QUOTE]Think about it man, these casas charge you 35K or so on average. The girl is lucky to see 20K of that, probably more like 15K. How many clients is she realistically going to have in a day? 2-3 would be an average to good day. If you offer 100K for a whole afternoon, she will almost certainly take it.

I had a thing going with a Blue Room (and later Energy) girl. They make more there, about 50K per session after the house gets their cut and higher chance of a decent tip for something or other. She would take off in the afternoon or go in late, spend maybe 3 hours with me for 2 pops. We started out at 130K and later dropped to 100K, she paid her cabs also.

The fining and all that shit works differently at different casas. I know at Aiffe if you miss without notice they fine you 20K. At Energy and Blue Room, the girls had contracts, though I don't fully recall how they worked. At New Life, the girls kind of come and go as they please it seems, lots of part timers and hit and missers as far whether or not they are there.

But the bottom line is that money talks and these girls are even more professional at making excuses than they are at making love. If you make them an offer that is favorable, they will take it. It also helps if they trust you and are comfortable / having fun around you, of course

[QUOTE=Vegas Jeff;1503009]There is no reason to get a girl from a mp after a long day of work when she is tired. It is easy to get a girl to take off work at an mp and come to your apartment. It is very important to call them 1-2 hours before their shift the day that you are going to meet with them. If you talk with them the night before, and then call them after their shift starts the next day, they will already be at work. Most of these girls won't trust you until they get to know you. Also, many mp's fine the girls for leaving early but if they call in it is no problem.[/QUOTE]Right, that is what I am saying, why would you go with one AFTER work?

Very simple to arrange it otherwise.

Personally I find the MPs to be kind of thin on that sort of talent but if you look long enough, you can score a good one. I have had some great experiences doing exactly this.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender;1502622]Ricker, I get the impression that you can live anywhere you want to live. You spend most of your time in Brazil. I can't imagine a place better than the City of Eternal Spring, but we're all limited by our knowledge. Why Brazil and not Medellin?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Combo; 1503019]LT.

If you're looking for Porn Star experience, Brasilian women are in a class of their own. And Rio is a World-class, spectacular City (though I am aware that Ricker spends most of his time in Sao Paulo).

While I do love MDE, Brasil IMO is the one place every monger should visit once in his life.[/QUOTE]I agree with what Combo says above.

The main reason I spend more time in Brazil, however, is business related.

Advantages of Sao Paulo, Brazil: Way bigger, more cosmopolitan city, many more venues and things to do besides PFP, restaurants, entertainment, nightlife, etc.

Advantage Medellin, Colombia: Way shorter flight to Miami (about 3 hours vs 8) , the weather more agreeable, the girls (faces) are the most beautiful, generally less expensive (though the dollar recently has done well in Brazil).

Also, I've personally found the Brasileiras, in general, to be less drama filled than the Colombianas.

Hard to beat the beauty of a Paisa, however, since I love the morenas, chocolate and caramel type women, Brazil does me good.

Have fun!

[QUOTE=StudBucket; 1502917]From Av8r : "The partners had a meeting, and all agreed to keep a minimum of 5-10 girls every night regardless of the cost. We are going to a lot of extra trouble and expense to get really high quality girls, but to be honest it likely won't happen overnight."

Thanks Av8r, I really will be looking forward to going back to MDE next spring with my buddies. Medellin was really in need of a place like this last time (to meet FL's) we were there. And actually, there was not 1 dominant place that I could say had a bunch of solid 7 to 10s. Ln all of the casas, strip clubs, and mps, you had to really scour to find the real gems. So its nice you are aiming for high quality! And also smart that you are ensuring the place does not sit devoid of at least some girls.[/QUOTE]We'll look forward to your visit. If you have any special occasion like a birthday, bachelor party etc, let us know and we'll organize it for you. Our big VIP room is almost complete. In fact I'm living in it. We are hosting a birthday party with our most recent recruit Alejandra. She wants a cake, erotic pinada, and a Gringo; not necessarily in that order. I've never heard of erotic pinada's before, but I guess they are filled with vibrators and other sex toys.

Enclosed is a pic of her, and later I'll post the promo art that my partner Wild Bill creates for all our promos.

[QUOTE=Av8r; 1503294]We'll look forward to your visit. If you have any special occasion like a birthday, bachelor party etc, let us know and we'll organize it for you. Our big VIP room is almost complete. In fact I'm living in it. We are hosting a birthday party with our most recent recruit Alejandra. She wants a cake, erotic pinada, and a Gringo; not necessarily in that order. I've never heard of erotic pinada's before, but I guess they are filled with vibrators and other sex toys.

Enclosed is a pic of her, and later I'll post the promo art that my partner Wild Bill creates for all our promos.[/QUOTE]Av8r Just don't forget my birthday. January 11th! All those in the area should come have a drink with me!

[QUOTE=Av8r; 1503294]We'll look forward to your visit. If you have any special occasion like a birthday, bachelor party etc, let us know and we'll organize it for you. Our big VIP room is almost complete. In fact I'm living in it. We are hosting a birthday party with our most recent recruit Alejandra. She wants a cake, erotic pinada, and a Gringo; not necessarily in that order. I've never heard of erotic pinada's before, but I guess they are filled with vibrators and other sex toys.

Enclosed is a pic of her, and later I'll post the promo art that my partner Wild Bill creates for all our promos.[/QUOTE]Happy Birthday to Alejandra, save some for me, gracias!

The club's looking good too!

Ok Razor. Got you covered. We'll have a cake for you. If you want something more, just let me know. Attached are a few pics from the weekend and the Sunday Night Football Promo. And one photo attempting to showoff our incredible huge 140" screen. I'm not exaggerating when I say I've never seen a huge screen look so crisp.

My birthday is Mon Dec 9. I will be in on Sat the 7th. You don't have to do anything special though. Just don't screw all the lovelies before I get there.

Wifed up a Blue Room chica for a few days which simply started with her asking me if I wanted to go to the Santa Fe Mall with her on a Sunday (day off). Kinda caught me by surprise, so off we went and chilled the whole afternoon. She paid for her own stuff, but I offered couple gifts or so just to keep her happy for later on. It's basically all about chemistry. If you hit it off with the girl, then most likely you'll get a chance to meet outside the work place and make it enjoyable. After a few hangouts, she even let me take a personal video of her doing the deed. Photos are pretty easy with these girls, but a video is a chance not to miss! Paid her 100K each time and we hung out from afternoon till late night.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt; 1503206]Think about it man, these casas charge you 35K or so on average. The girl is lucky to see 20K of that, probably more like 15K. How many clients is she realistically going to have in a day? 2-3 would be an average to good day. If you offer 100K for a whole afternoon, she will almost certainly take it.

I had a thing going with a Blue Room (and later Energy) girl. They make more there, about 50K per session after the house gets their cut and higher chance of a decent tip for something or other. She would take off in the afternoon or go in late, spend maybe 3 hours with me for 2 pops. We started out at 130K and later dropped to 100K, she paid her cabs also.

The fining and all that shit works differently at different casas. I know at Aiffe if you miss without notice they fine you 20K. At Energy and Blue Room, the girls had contracts, though I don't fully recall how they worked. At New Life, the girls kind of come and go as they please it seems, lots of part timers and hit and missers as far whether or not they are there.

But the bottom line is that money talks and these girls are even more professional at making excuses than they are at making love. If you make them an offer that is favorable, they will take it. It also helps if they trust you and are comfortable / having fun around you, of course[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Av8r;1503335]Ok Razor. Got you covered. We'll have a cake for you. If you want something more, just let me know. Attached are a few pics from the weekend and the Sunday Night Football Promo. And one photo attempting to showoff our incredible huge 140" screen. I'm not exaggerating when I say I've never seen a huge screen look so crisp.[/QUOTE]Just an observation, but why do you guys promote stuff like "NFL Football Promo","Whip Cream Night", etc, as opposed to just the women themselves? The last thing on my mind while on a monger trip is Football, LOL.

Why not just make a website like this:

[url]http://www.conejitas-vip.com/html/gold.html[/url]

And then say: "On this night we will have "Such and such","such and such", and "such and such" at Liquid Lounge, along with another handful of women" and post all of their photos like how the La Cueva newsletter is. I'm willing to bet you will get more guys to go there. I'm just trying to figure out that if the women are supposed to be the main draw (to hook up with and take back to your place), then why the need for Oil Wrestling contests (like there is no shortage of them in the US already), Playstation, Foosball table, etc?

Has any of the management team ever been to the Del Rey in Costa Rica, (the former) Help Disco in Rio, LDV in Cartagena, (the former) Clasicos in Sosua? They never had to do any of this stuff. They just let in hot women and the guys naturally follow.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1503366]Just an observation, but why do you guys promote stuff like "NFL Football Promo","Whip Cream Night", etc, as opposed to just the women themselves? The last thing on my mind while on a monger trip is Football, LOL.

Why not just make a website like this:

[url]http://www.conejitas-vip.com/html/gold.html[/url]

Has any of the management team ever been to the Del Rey in Costa Rica, (the former) Help Disco in Rio, LDV in Cartagena, (the former) Clasicos in Sosua? They never had to do any of this stuff. They just let in hot women and the guys naturally follow.[/QUOTE]Do I need to state the obvious? Or are you just being cruelly sarcastic?

Its because they don't have the girls!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1503366]The last thing on my mind while on a monger trip is Football, LOL.[/QUOTE]I agree completely, I only care about the beautiful chicas. I do not want to watch sweaty men tackle each other. The only man that should be sweaty is me.

[QUOTE=Av8r;1503335]Ok Razor. Got you covered. We'll have a cake for you. If you want something more, just let me know. Attached are a few pics from the weekend and the Sunday Night Football Promo. And one photo attempting to showoff our incredible huge 140" screen. I'm not exaggerating when I say I've never seen a huge screen look so crisp.[/QUOTE]One question on the stripper license. Can the girls get fully nude? I've been to Face Dos and San Diego about 5 times each and have never seen the panties off on stage. I can't find many good things to say about Tijuana, but one thing I like is full nude in-your-face action at Hong Kong (that and the tacos are the only positives in Tijuana). I just wondered if this was due to a law in Medellin, or against the rules of the clubs, or the women are just not as wild.

A smaller point, I also don't like the tipping at places like Face Dos. If you give them a tip on stage, they just kind-of say thanks and keep going. Then they hit you up for a mandatory tip as they walk around. In my mind, there should be no mandatory tipping, and if you get a tip on stage, for god's sake, do something. Maybe you'll get more tips on stage and won't feel the need to hit guys up for a mandatory tip.

One thing I do love about Face Dos and San Diego. The food outside. Any plans for offering food?

I'll be in Medellin this Wed-Sat and hope to visit a few times.

What? I have definitely seen fully nude at F2, San Diego, I don't know, I was usually bored by the shoe. Barra Ejecutiva and all that shit is also fully nude.

This reminds me of the film "Pecker" where they start arguing about the dangers of having liquor and pubic hair in the same establishment.

Thanks for help, who answered to my private messages. But I called the list of guides on the Medellin list, and just got few answers to my calls. I need a guide who can prepare the list of girls before my coming, we will set up a reward for every girl. It's very important to find a good and responsible guide. Also, I will spend with the guide my day time and night time. I am not interested in casas, needs semi or non.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1503366]Just an observation, but why do you guys promote stuff like "NFL Football Promo","Whip Cream Night", etc, as opposed to just the women themselves? The last thing on my mind while on a monger trip is Football, LOL.

Why not just make a website like this:

[url]http://www.conejitas-vip.com/html/gold.html[/url]

And then say: "On this night we will have "Such and such","such and such", and "such and such" at Liquid Lounge, along with another handful of women" and post all of their photos like how the La Cueva newsletter is. I'm willing to bet you will get more guys to go there. I'm just trying to figure out that if the women are supposed to be the main draw (to hook up with and take back to your place) , then why the need for Oil Wrestling contests (like there is no shortage of them in the US already) , Playstation, Foosball table, etc?

Has any of the management team ever been to the Del Rey in Costa Rica, (the former) Help Disco in Rio, LDV in Cartagena, (the former) Clasicos in Sosua? They never had to do any of this stuff. They just let in hot women and the guys naturally follow.[/QUOTE]Speaking as a young guy, I kinda enjoying going to a place that has theme nights. Don't seem to have it every night but mostly Saturdays. It's nice to enjoy a show before or afterwards chat up some chicas. I'm personally not going to just show up, do a scan of chicas and attack. I'm more laid back and enjoy a social setting. When I'm there in January it would be cool to watch a game on Sunday while chatting to some girls. Even the strip clubs here in Miami often have theme nights. I thought liquid lounge was suppose to be different then The Mansion. To each their own. Besides, Saturday January 11th is my birthday and if they do a theme night, I'm sure the girls would have fun making sure I have a fun time celebrating. Not sure if food is available at LL but that's a great idea. Some fries, nachos, burgers, chicken wings etc. But if some of you are not into kicking back and having fun playing play station with a hot chica breaking the ice then that's on you. We all have different ideas of how to meet chicas and the environment to do it in. But it's ok to be a little open minded to new ideas. Most chicas are in their 20s and still enjoy some young fun.

[QUOTE=MikeReal;1503462]Thanks for help, who answered to my private messages. But I called the list of guides on the Medellin list, and just got few answers to my calls. I need a guide who can prepare the list of girls before my coming, we will set up a reward for every girl. It's very important to find a good and responsible guide. Also, I will spend with the guide my day time and night time. I am not interested in casas, needs semi or non.[/QUOTE]Dude. I got to chime in. You can't "reward" the guide or a non pro / normal girl for dates or sex. Once you do that they become a pimp and a working girl! Hahahah!

Nothing in life is free and the important things seldom are. If you want non pros / semi pros chances are you'll have to do the leg work yourself. If a guys says "yeah I have non / semi girls for you. Well he has some working girls telling you a story.

If you're the type of person what needs a structured plan / play then you might find the p4p in Colombia a bit frustrating. Girls HOURS late or not at all, old profile pics or not as pretty in real life, dates broken at the last second, phones turned off (girls often have 2 or 3 numbers).

What's wrong with Casas? LOL!

Good Luck!

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1503366]Just an observation, but why do you guys promote stuff like "NFL Football Promo","Whip Cream Night", etc, as opposed to just the women themselves? The last thing on my mind while on a monger trip is Football, LOL.

Why not just make a website like this:

[url]http://www.conejitas-vip.com/html/gold.html[/url]

And then say: "On this night we will have "Such and such","such and such", and "such and such" at Liquid Lounge, along with another handful of women" and post all of their photos like how the La Cueva newsletter is. I'm willing to bet you will get more guys to go there. I'm just trying to figure out that if the women are supposed to be the main draw (to hook up with and take back to your place) , then why the need for Oil Wrestling contests (like there is no shortage of them in the US already) , Playstation, Foosball table, etc?

Has any of the management team ever been to the Del Rey in Costa Rica, (the former) Help Disco in Rio, LDV in Cartagena, (the former) Clasicos in Sosua? They never had to do any of this stuff. They just let in hot women and the guys naturally follow.[/QUOTE]Anyone who is paying the prices they are asking on this web site needs to have their heads examined.

[QUOTE=MikeReal;1503462]Thanks for help, who answered to my private messages. But I called the list of guides on the Medellin list, and just got few answers to my calls. I need a guide who can prepare the list of girls before my coming, we will set up a reward for every girl. It's very important to find a good and responsible guide. Also, I will spend with the guide my day time and night time. I am not interested in casas, needs semi or non.[/QUOTE]I used to think the same many years ago before I first made my trip to MDE. After my first trip I realized that the local culture is different. It is highly unlike that anyone will prepare a list of girls for you. It is not about money or the quality of the guide. It is just the culture. In CO just like other Latin cultures and most Asian countries, people are way more laid back. Even if you contact one and even if the guide says otherwise, the guide will only start looking for girls after he confirms that you are in town and well situated. They are so used to things not happening on time and plans get cancelled all the time, they won't even think about planning ahead.

You claim to be spending 10 days in MDE alone. You have plenty of time. Relax and have a great time. Most importantly, report back.

[QUOTE=Jack4765;1503690]Anyone who is paying the prices they are asking on this web site needs to have their heads examined.[/QUOTE]Better believe the Colombianos are. Those prices sure aren't gringo related or based on the small percentage of us who visit Colombia for a 3-4 day stay.

And I was just using the webpage as an example idea; not the prices or the hours of availability.

[QUOTE=MikeReal;1503462]Thanks for help, who answered to my private messages. But I called the list of guides on the Medellin list, and just got few answers to my calls. I need a guide who can prepare the list of girls before my coming, we will set up a reward for every girl. It's very important to find a good and responsible guide. Also, I will spend with the guide my day time and night time. I am not interested in casas, needs semi or non.[/QUOTE]This is probably the strangest post request that I have ever seen. What is he asking for? A guide, with a list?

That's like going to Macy's and asking for help from the professional shopping assistant.

Really? Cmon man.

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1503769]This is probably the strangest post request that I have ever seen. What is he asking for? A guide, with a list?

That's like going to Macy's and asking for help from the professional shopping assistant.

Really? Cmon man.[/QUOTE]I have to agree, this is a very confusing post. I have never heard of a list of 'nonpro' girls that would have sex with a guy. The very fact that they are on the list in the first place would make me think they are pros. It is really hard to conceive, a whole list of regular girls willing to have sex with a guy from another country who is not in town yet and they have never met for free. And a 'reward'? I thought a reward is what you give out after someone returns your missing cat Mr. Cuddles. So a pro is a woman you give money to for sex, and a nonpro is woman you give a reward to for sex? Is the reward Mr. Cuddles?

[QUOTE=SeizeTheDay;1503788]I have to agree, this is a very confusing post. I have never heard of a list of 'nonpro' girls that would have sex with a guy. The very fact that they are on the list in the first place would make me think they are pros. It is really hard to conceive, a whole list of regular girls willing to have sex with a guy from another country who is not in town yet and they have never met for free. And a 'reward'? I thought a reward is what you give out after someone returns your missing cat Mr. Cuddles. So a pro is a woman you give money to for sex, and a nonpro is woman you give a reward to for sex? Is the reward Mr. Cuddles?[/QUOTE]He could be asking for your little black book or whatever you guys call it. I keep phone numbers of everyday girls I hit up when I want a little side action for free. The only thing is, I worked hard for these numbers and building up the relationship and I ain't going to share it with no one LOL. Especially a complete stranger that's going to reward me by buying me a drink or two.

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1503769]This is probably the strangest post request that I have ever seen. What is he asking for? A guide, with a list?

That's like going to Macy's and asking for help from the professional shopping assistant.

Really? Cmon man.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SeizeTheDay;1503788]I have to agree, this is a very confusing post. I have never heard of a list of 'nonpro' girls that would have sex with a guy. The very fact that they are on the list in the first place would make me think they are pros. It is really hard to conceive, a whole list of regular girls willing to have sex with a guy from another country who is not in town yet and they have never met for free. And a 'reward'? I thought a reward is what you give out after someone returns your missing cat Mr. Cuddles. So a pro is a woman you give money to for sex, and a nonpro is woman you give a reward to for sex? Is the reward Mr. Cuddles?[/QUOTE]LMAO!

Maybe for semi/non pros MikeReal is trying to say that he is looking for women that "do not fuck too much". Like maybe she only bangs 2 guys per week instead of 5? But what if she bangs these two guys multiple times per week? Wouldn't that then give her the same mileage as a pro though?

We're just fucking with you Mike :)

But in all seriousness, SeizeTheDay said it best:

[QUOTE=SeizeTheDay;1503788]I have never heard of a list of 'nonpro' girls that would have sex with a guy. The very fact that they are on the list in the first place would make me think they are pros. It is really hard to conceive, a whole list of regular girls willing to have sex with a guy from another country who is not in town yet and they have never met for free.[/QUOTE]

Guys,

I need the person to who can prepare the list of semi, before my coming or we will go together to the clubs with this guide and he helps to speak with the girls, cause I don't know Spanish well. That is the problem. To find and visit casas I can do it without a guide. So if you have any contacts, I would be very thankful if you give them.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1503366]Just an observation, but why do you guys promote stuff like "NFL Football Promo","Whip Cream Night", etc, as opposed to just the women themselves? The last thing on my mind while on a monger trip is Football, LOL.

Why not just make a website like this:

[url]http://www.conejitas-vip.com/html/gold.html[/url]

And then say: "On this night we will have "Such and such","such and such", and "such and such" at Liquid Lounge, along with another handful of women" and post all of their photos like how the La Cueva newsletter is. I'm willing to bet you will get more guys to go there. I'm just trying to figure out that if the women are supposed to be the main draw (to hook up with and take back to your place) , then why the need for Oil Wrestling contests (like there is no shortage of them in the US already) , Playstation, Foosball table, etc?

Has any of the management team ever been to the Del Rey in Costa Rica, (the former) Help Disco in Rio, LDV in Cartagena, (the former) Clasicos in Sosua? They never had to do any of this stuff. They just let in hot women and the guys naturally follow.[/QUOTE]I've been to LDV, Help, and the Del Ray many times. Those places are established and don't need to do anything to have people coming in. We do. I agree, that I could care less about these extras but the proof is in the pudding. Everytime we have one, we get people coming just for that event. We also have many expats living here that ONLY come to watch the NFL games. Remember we have 2 floors. We have plenty of room to do things to keep varied groups entertained.

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1503371]Do I need to state the obvious? Or are you just being cruelly sarcastic?

Its because they don't have the girls![/QUOTE]Another ignorant comment Manny. We have 5-10 every night, but as usual you put your foot in your mouth commenting on stuff you know nothing about. The main reason we don't post many pics of the girls is because they are not hardened pros and don't want their faces splashed across the internet especially on a public site like ISG.

We just got the stripper license a few weeks ago, and have just been playing around with it until the partners could get together and start the building of the stage to turn us into a full blow strip club. That happened today, and we start work on the stage and the new Sound System tomorrow. We will announce a new Grand Opening for Liquid Strip in the next few days.

We are also starting work on our unit next door. Instead of renting an apartment, we decided to build a few small bedrooms for the out of town girls we will be hiring to be "Dancers" in our club. There will also be 4 cubicles for an existing Webcam sex company who will be moving their operation to Liquid. Upstairs on that side is the big VIP room which is mostly finished, but still has some final touches to be ready to rent out. In fact I've been staying there myself this last week.

[QUOTE=Razor77;1503575]Speaking as a young guy, I kinda enjoying going to a place that has theme nights. Don't seem to have it every night but mostly Saturdays. It's nice to enjoy a show before or afterwards chat up some chicas. I'm personally not going to just show up, do a scan of chicas and attack. I'm more laid back and enjoy a social setting. When I'm there in January it would be cool to watch a game on Sunday while chatting to some girls. Even the strip clubs here in Miami often have theme nights. I thought liquid lounge was suppose to be different then The Mansion. To each their own. Besides, Saturday January 11th is my birthday and if they do a theme night, I'm sure the girls would have fun making sure I have a fun time celebrating. Not sure if food is available at LL but that's a great idea. Some fries, nachos, burgers, chicken wings etc. But if some of you are not into kicking back and having fun playing play station with a hot chica breaking the ice then that's on you. We all have different ideas of how to meet chicas and the environment to do it in. But it's ok to be a little open minded to new ideas. Most chicas are in their 20s and still enjoy some young fun.[/QUOTE]A voice of reason. Thank you Razor. Yes, the Chicas have gotten obsessed with the foosball, and they really get into these events, especially when it's one of their friends particpating. Expect events like these ever week, including wet tshirt contests, costume strip teases, and even a professional lesbian show. Those that find this stuff boring can always go to Fase II. It's right around the corner from us.

Let us know when you're coming Razor, and we'll get one of those X rated birthday cakes. My next post will be to announce a Chica's Birthday party this Saturday.

[QUOTE=Kdog; 1503394]One question on the stripper license. Can the girls get fully nude? I've been to Face Dos and San Diego about 5 times each and have never seen the panties off on stage. I can't find many good things to say about Tijuana, but one thing I like is full nude in-your-face action at Hong Kong (that and the tacos are the only positives in Tijuana). I just wondered if this was due to a law in Medellin, or against the rules of the clubs, or the women are just not as wild.

A smaller point, I also don't like the tipping at places like Face Dos. If you give them a tip on stage, they just kind-of say thanks and keep going. Then they hit you up for a mandatory tip as they walk around. In my mind, there should be no mandatory tipping, and if you get a tip on stage, for god's sake, do something. Maybe you'll get more tips on stage and won't feel the need to hit guys up for a mandatory tip.

One thing I do love about Face Dos and San Diego. The food outside. Any plans for offering food?

I'll be in Medellin this Wed-Sat and hope to visit a few times.[/QUOTE]Yes the girls can get totally nude, and most do, but not all. Some only go topless, and are paid less. There is no mandatory tipping anywhere as far as I know, but it's certainly not at Liquid. But, yes, they do go around asking for tips. We'd have a mutiny if we tried to stop that.

And yes, we have all the equipment for food, but we don't want to deal with the licensing required for an indoor restaurant. We will do something very similar to San diego. We will have a stand outside making various foods. Not sure when that will be ready though. All of us are working 12 hour days to get us to the next stage.

This Thursday night. Alejandra is one of our new girls that is making Liquid her lair. She asked, and we readily agreed to throw a little party for her. She asked for an erotic pinata. I've never heard of one, but apparently they are filled with sex toys, etc. A couple of my favorite Mansion girls are coming over as well that night. Promises to be a fun night for a Thursday. Everyone welcome.

Been very busy so its been a while since my last post. Eric arrived from Iraq after having endured a year and nine months of absolutely nothing! Needless to say dude was jacked up and hitting everything we came across! Roy is arriving today and plan on taking him around the city to all the chica friendly places as well as out to the pueblos to see all aspects of life here in paradise! Girlfriend is good as you can see in the photos on my site, and lots of fun girls to help out when you get here. I'm full until January but I have a special to start off the new year! Thanks to all you guys for a really good 2013!

Jake

yes, may be surcharged a guest fee.

structure: mde la mayorita (metro station walk)

room 20,000 pesos (30 minutes)

chica: basic 20,000 (30 minutes)

anal and other service available: nominal charge (10,000 ($10) to 20,000 pesos ($20)

providers vary in age and hygiene and generally older providers past the peek.

comparison:

mde la mayorista verus tijuana zona norta (tijuana)

bogata metro calle 72 casa service (30,000 flyer) limited provider selection.

cali dr amor clinica option 60k. 75k and 90k for 1hr

room cost difference (30 minutes): minor within $2 difference.

room condition: la mayorista typically better with running water in the room.

service time (30 mins versus 20 min): tijuana 10 to 15 mins less

typical friendly attitude first time: la mayorista

less conservative sex attitude: la mayorista.

provider monthly health check: tijuana only.

first time guest option of service: open attitude la mayorista

physical safety: depending on the time of the day about the same.

health and sex safety: tijuana medical exam and health safety cost.

friendly: la mayorista (first timer)

overall cost not including travel & hotel: la mayorista 60% less than tijuana zona norte.

bogata calle 72 flyer is 20% lower than la mayorista

bogta calle 72 flyer is 50 % lower than tijuana zona norta.

cali dr amor clinica?

provider age and hygeene factors and safe sex concept: tijuana health safety card.

bogata metro calle 72 services are in limited form with limited viewing of the providers

cali dr amor clinica was just closing at 8. 55 pm (9am to 9pm) but the departing providers looked great. someone else can comment on the structure of dr amor clinica.

reposted in cali, bogat, tijuana.

[quote=mfins;1497217]if a friend is staying at the mansion is it possible to enter to visit him and have a drink at the bar?[/quote]

[QUOTE=Av8r; 1503899]Another ignorant comment Manny. We have 5-10 every night, but as usual you put your foot in your mouth commenting on stuff you know nothing about. The main reason we don't post many pics of the girls is because they are not hardened pros and don't want their faces splashed across the internet especially on a public site like ISG.

We just got the stripper license a few weeks ago, and have just been playing around with it until the partners could get together and start the building of the stage to turn us into a full blow strip club. That happened today, and we start work on the stage and the new Sound System tomorrow. We will announce a new Grand Opening for Liquid Strip in the next few days.

We are also starting work on our unit next door. Instead of renting an apartment, we decided to build a few small bedrooms for the out of town girls we will be hiring to be "Dancers" in our club. There will also be 4 cubicles for an existing Webcam sex company who will be moving their operation to Liquid. Upstairs on that side is the big VIP room which is mostly finished, but still has some final touches to be ready to rent out. In fact I've been staying there myself this last week.[/QUOTE]I applaud you guys for your work and dedication to getting your new establishment 'set'.

Ignore the naysayers, like you are, I can remember a certain place about a decade or so ago that was catching lots of flack and negativity as well.

That place opened as the Medellin Mansion.

I wonder how that place did. LOL.

Carry on amigo, happy holidays!

[QUOTE=MikeReal; 1503836]Guys,

I need the person to who can prepare the list of semi, before my coming or we will go together to the clubs with this guide and he helps to speak with the girls, cause I don't know Spanish well. That is the problem. To find and visit casas I can do it without a guide. So if you have any contacts, I would be very thankful if you give them.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.colombiajake.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1504106][url]Http://www.colombiajake.com/[/url][/QUOTE]Does Colombia Jake take you to places that are otherwise inaccessible I. E. Places that are not already listed on this site or that an experienced taxi driver would not know about? Would you recommend it to someone who has already been to Medellin?

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1503206]Think about it man, these casas charge you 35K or so on average. The girl is lucky to see 20K of that, probably more like 15K. How many clients is she realistically going to have in a day? 2-3 would be an average to good day. If you offer 100K for a whole afternoon, she will almost certainly take it.[/QUOTE]You took the words right out of my mouth. I pay 100k plus 20k taxi. I am very confident that they would take 100k total but I am happy with this arrangement. Girls normally stay about 5 hours. 90-120min actual sex which includes 2+ rounds. I have never paid extra for TLN except for sometimes I give them 10k / 20k for the babysitter for the night (if they have children).

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;1503349]Wifed up a Blue Room chica for a few days which simply started with her asking me if I wanted to go to the Santa Fe Mall with her on a Sunday (day off). Kinda caught me by surprise, so off we went and chilled the whole afternoon. She paid for her own stuff, but I offered couple gifts or so just to keep her happy for later on. It's basically all about chemistry. If you hit it off with the girl, then most likely you'll get a chance to meet outside the work place and make it enjoyable. After a few hangouts, she even let me take a personal video of her doing the deed. Photos are pretty easy with these girls, but a video is a chance not to miss! Paid her 100K each time and we hung out from afternoon till late night.[/QUOTE]Another success story that started in a casa. It is all about chemistry is right. This is a great example of how it is done.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1503705]After my first trip I realized that the local culture is different. It is just the culture. In CO just like other Latin cultures and most Asian countries, people are way more laid back. Even if you contact one and even if the guide says otherwise, the guide will only start looking for girls after he confirms that you are in town and well situated. They are so used to things not happening on time and plans get cancelled all the time, they won't even think about planning ahead.[/QUOTE]This a nice way of putting it. When someone's word is worth nothing IMO this is a character defect. I am not judging these girls as I have not walked in their shoes. It is a character defect nonetheless. It all starts will ENVY and trickles down to lying, disrespect, and most of all selfishness. As Ricker says, these girls are complicated.

One thing that might set you apart from the other guys is to compliment the nice girls attributes and to make them feel special. When you do nice things for them you should point out that you are different also. Maybe when they go to give you a BJ give them a hairband that costs 10 cents so they aren't fighting hair out of their mouth. Say,"See I respect you. Do other guys care if you are comfortable." Guys who throw money at these girls just don't get it.

[QUOTE=Vegas Jeff; 1504180]This a nice way of putting it. When someone's word is worth nothing IMO this is a character defect. I am not judging these girls as I have not walked in their shoes. It is a character defect nonetheless. It all starts will ENVY and trickles down to lying, disrespect, and most of all selfishness. As Ricker says, these girls are complicated.

One thing that might set you apart from the other guys is to compliment the nice girls attributes and to make them feel special. When you do nice things for them you should point out that you are different also. Maybe when they go to give you a BJ give them a hairband that costs 10 cents so they aren't fighting hair out of their mouth. Say,"See I respect you. Do other guys care if you are comfortable." Guys who throw money at these girls just don't get it.[/QUOTE]I agree. All you have in life ultimately is your word and if your work is no good then you're no good in my book. The girls flake, that is part of the game I guess. The larger issue is like Vegas Jeff said "It all starts will envy and trickles down to lying, disrespect, and most of all selfishness. As Ricker says, these girls are complicated." The analogy crabs in a barrel does not even come close to explaining the lack of. I don't even know how to call it. Total lack of consideration for anything but the here and now. The RIGHT now. I guess it comes from the mental scars from the Narco Trafficante days. Why worry about tomorrow when the chances of you dying today are so great?

As for the girls comment. What guy carries around. 10 hairbands! Hahahah! Hold her hair for her and force her head to slob and bob! Hahah! JK JK.

Kill'them with kindness. Money works too. Truth be told there are few problems or issues in Colombia that can't be resolved with a few crispy Ben Franklins.

To people from first world economies, time is money.

To people from third world economies, time is just time.

I had this job in college, and just couldn't figure out how to get there on time. The job's income was important to my financial well being, but I just couldn't manage to show them the consideration for their time they felt they deserved for paying me on a regular basis. One day, I came in (late) and saw a guy sitting at my desk. My boss came out and explained that I no longer worked there. I was unemployed for almost a month, my financial situation went to shit and it took me a while to catch up. Since then, I've usually been on time to my commitments.

When a girl doesn't show, I wait for about 15 minutes, then I call. If there's no answer, I make other plans. If 30 minutes passes from the time she agreed to be there, I make other plans. Difficult to do when you've been looking at her sexy pics on facebook, or chewed a vitamin V and it's kicking in. But as long as she knows you'll wait, she'll make you wait.

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777; 1504209]I agree. All you have in life ultimately is your word and if your work is no good then you're no good in my book. The girls flake, that is part of the game I guess. The larger issue is like Vegas Jeff said "It all starts will envy and trickles down to lying, disrespect, and most of all selfishness. As Ricker says, these girls are complicated." The analogy crabs in a barrel does not even come close to explaining the lack of. I don't even know how to call it. Total lack of consideration for anything but the here and now. The RIGHT now. I guess it comes from the mental scars from the Narco Trafficante days. Why worry about tomorrow when the chances of you dying today are so great?

As for the girls comment. What guy carries around. 10 hairbands! Hahahah! Hold her hair for her and force her head to slob and bob! Hahah! JK JK.

Kill'them with kindness. Money works too. Truth be told there are few problems or issues in Colombia that can't be resolved with a few crispy Ben Franklins[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jonesie; 1504422]To people from first world economies, time is money.

To people from third world economies, time is just time.

I had this job in college, and just couldn't figure out how to get there on time. The job's income was important to my financial well being, but I just couldn't manage to show them the consideration for their time they felt they deserved for paying me on a regular basis. One day, I came in (late) and saw a guy sitting at my desk. My boss came out and explained that I no longer worked there. I was unemployed for almost a month, my financial situation went to shit and it took me a while to catch up. Since then, I've usually been on time to my commitments.

When a girl doesn't show, I wait for about 15 minutes, then I call. If there's no answer, I make other plans. If 30 minutes passes from the time she agreed to be there, I make other plans. Difficult to do when you've been looking at her sexy pics on facebook, or chewed a vitamin V and it's kicking in. But as long as she knows you'll wait, she'll make you wait.[/QUOTE]Yeah man! I applaud your hard learned lesson of punctuality. Back in College I had a great job waiting tables. Like $200-$400 a night for a 20yr old kid is huge money. Shucks! That's good money for 80% of the world! Hahha! Same thing. Always late, thought I was king of the world. One day they brought in a new jeffe and next thing you know I'm out of a great job. I thought it would be fine but I went on to have a run of like 4 crap jobs and set me back years money wise.

Where did you get the photo? LOL!

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1504071]I applaud you guys for your work and dedication to getting your new establishment 'set'.

Ignore the naysayers, like you are, I can remember a certain place about a decade or so ago that was catching lots of flack and negativity as well.

That place opened as the Medellin Mansion.

I wonder how that place did. LOL.

Carry on amigo, happy holidays![/QUOTE]Thanks Ricker. Always nice to hear a voice of reason in the internet jungle. It's amazing all the experts who opine about things they no little about from behind their keyboards. I'd like to see some of them actually go out and try to produce something instead of nitpicking those who are out here getting their hands dirty. It's much harder than it looks, but I'm loving every minute of it.

Ane yes, the Mansion is a great example. EVERYONE was certain it would fail, but thankfully they kept the faith. We are in a much better position than the Mansion was, and we have 2 former employees from there working for us now, so we are able to avoid many of the pitfalls that they had to experience.

On a lighter note, we just installed our brand new Colombian Sound System. We are moving the current one upstairs. We needed the new one because we are now catering our strip club to Colombians also. The stage is being built as I write, and we started construction on 3 rooms for out of town chicas to live. Each room will have bunkbeds. We just put ads in the newspapers in the little towns in rural Colombian to invite sexy Chicas to come and live with us and become exclusive for our customers. We already have 5-10 girls a night hanging out, but I want to increase the quality of girls since I'm so picky.

[QUOTE=Jonesie; 1504422]To people from first world economies, time is money.

To people from third world economies, time is just time.

I had this job in college, and just couldn't figure out how to get there on time. The job's income was important to my financial well being, but I just couldn't manage to show them the consideration for their time they felt they deserved for paying me on a regular basis. One day, I came in (late) and saw a guy sitting at my desk. My boss came out and explained that I no longer worked there. I was unemployed for almost a month, my financial situation went to shit and it took me a while to catch up. Since then, I've usually been on time to my commitments.

When a girl doesn't show, I wait for about 15 minutes, then I call. If there's no answer, I make other plans. If 30 minutes passes from the time she agreed to be there, I make other plans. Difficult to do when you've been looking at her sexy pics on facebook, or chewed a vitamin V and it's kicking in. But as long as she knows you'll wait, she'll make you wait.[/QUOTE]Great observation. I am usually patient but if they lose contact then I will make other plans quickly. The key is to have two or three dependable regulars that you know can come through quickly.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1504509]Great observation. I am usually patient but if they lose contact then I will make other plans quickly. The key is to have two or three dependable regulars that you know can come through quickly.[/QUOTE]I couldn't even imagine what this would be like for those guys who don't speak a lick of Spanish. Trying to direct a chica to where you are is hard enough. Gets even more complicated when your chica has a driver who doesn't know where the hell he is going! Add that to the traffic situation and "I'll be there in an hour" can easily turn into and hour and a half or more.

Wendy has officially changed her (profile) name to "Wendy Inc.", lmao. I'm positive she does not follow the posts here on ISG. Wonder where she could have gotten that idea from? Hmm....

In typical Colombian English fuck-up fashion, it actually says "Innc," unless she is spearheading a merger between Lincoln Financial and Days Inn.

I have a question for you guys? The Girls are cheap? But how easy is it to score drugs, How to get a Ki of Cocaine and how much?

I know the DEA is watching? I'm planning a trip to Columbia in September, This will be my first time! I watch all the scarface face movies and read about Pablo Escobar I always wanted to know.

I've hadn't been to Medellin for a few years and it's as good or better than before. I flew Spirit and took the bus to Medellin. Saved a bundle with that combination. Then wasted a bunch at Fase II, the first club visited. I got a bottle of Rum for 85 Mil. A hot girl sat next to me and I asked if she wanted some Rum. She said yes and proceeded to order a drink. Not what I intended. Anyway, I pay 97 Mil thinking that's for hers and mine. Then a few minutes later they ask for 22 Mil additional for her drink. Turns out they added an 13 Mil propina to my charge without telling me. When I complained to management, the girl got pissed and went away. Oh yea, and her friend sitting with us ordered a 22 Mil drink without me knowing. I had to pay for that too. Wow, this place is a mess. I get out of there and I'll never return to that clip joint. San Diego treated me better, but the women are very average.

I went to Liquid Lounge on Wed night and it was a great place to hang-out. Everyone treats you well, from the owners to the girls to the bartenders. I returned tonight (Thurs) and there were about 10 girls, several were gorgeous. Very easy to hang out, chat, and party with the girls. Some semi-pros there that will let want to meet up with you for a date on another day. I got the impression they just wanted to meet decent guys to hang out with. Nothing like Fase II and San Diego.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler; 1504636]I have a question for you guys? The Girls are cheap? But how easy is it to score drugs, How to get a Ki of Cocaine and how much?

I know the DEA is watching? I'm planning a trip to Columbia in September, This will be my first time! I watch all the scarface face movies and read about Pablo Escobar I always wanted to know.[/QUOTE]Since you are going to Columbia, just ask your fellow politician for their local drug dealer connect.

When you are ready to go to Colombia, get back to us.

Hi,

This will be my first MDE trip in Feb. Originally planned on staying 5th-10th but need to cut it short 5th-7th. Therefor I plan on hooking up with a chica at the Mansion where I, ll be staying on one night and trying Liquid Lounge the 2nd night then leaving Fri morning to the airport. How's the action those 2 nites both places? Friday is out since my flight leaves at 8:55am.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler; 1504636]I have a question for you guys? The Girls are cheap? But how easy is it to score drugs, How to get a Ki of Cocaine and how much?

I know the DEA is watching? I'm planning a trip to Columbia in September, This will be my first time! I watch all the scarface face movies and read about Pablo Escobar I always wanted to know.[/QUOTE]The Game is to be sold, not to be told.

If you're curious about the basic prices and stuff just google that shit; you'll get a ball park number. If you're thinking about trying to go down to CO with no real world connections for weight. You're clearly out of your depth son!

Force, you cannot be for real. This is too stupid.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler; 1504636]I have a question for you guys? The Girls are cheap? But how easy is it to score drugs, How to get a Ki of Cocaine and how much?

I know the DEA is watching? I'm planning a trip to Columbia in September, This will be my first time! I watch all the scarface face movies and read about Pablo Escobar I always wanted to know.[/QUOTE]

[quote=chesrep001;1504807]force, you cannot be for real. this is too stupid.[/quote]anyone selling gum in park lleras, park poblado will find you any little amount you need. about 20.000 pesos a gram. the shadier looking ones there are more likely. it gets cheaper in the scarier barrios about 5.000 said my renter a g when he was in santo domingo. be advised if you get caught you will get thrown out of colombia best case scenario. worst case you get the crap beat out of you in a colombian jail. colombian police always pat you down and look through your wallet.

a kilo is about $300-450 dollars. jail time on this weight and the people you would be dealing with makes this business. well idiotic is the words that come to mind. all that weight is controlled by gangs. unless you have a death wish, just continue to sit on the couch watching blow

[QUOTE=Av8r; 1504494]Thanks Ricker. Always nice to hear a voice of reason in the internet jungle. It's amazing all the experts who opine about things they no little about from behind their keyboards. I'd like to see some of them actually go out and try to produce something instead of nitpicking those who are out here getting their hands dirty. It's much harder than it looks, but I'm loving every minute of it.

On a lighter note, we just installed our brand new Colombian Sound System. We are moving the current one upstairs. We needed the new one because we are now catering our strip club to Colombians also. The stage is being built as I write, and we started construction on 3 rooms for out of town chicas to live. Each room will have bunkbeds. We just put ads in the newspapers in the little towns in rural Colombian to invite sexy Chicas to come and live with us and become exclusive for our customers. We already have 5-10 girls a night hanging out, but I want to increase the quality of girls since I'm so picky.[/QUOTE]All right Av8r, I was going to let this whole thing slide, but you are just yapping too much.

First of all, this forum is for the community of people who enjoy or are interested in the hobby. It is NOT for the proprietors of local businesses to advertise and hype their venues. I can double check, but I think that that is against Jackson's forum policy agreement. Constantly posting pictures and photos of ads is not only intrusive, its just plain desperate.

Secondly, I have noticed that there has been a string of postings over the last week by a few guys stroking you about your place. They could be genuine opinions, or they could be your buddy's planting posts. The mixed blessing of an anonymous forum is that you can never tell. What I do know is that if you go back further in the forum and read over the last few months, there are many postings by members who visited LL and were less than thrilled. I visited the mansion recently and was thinking of visiting LL, but everyone I talked to who had been there, without exception, said the place was dead.

Now I generally wish you well on your business. I really do. And as a fellow hobbyist, your thoughts are always as welcome as anyone elses. But your ads and hype are an imposition on the forum. Dial back the smack talk.

[QUOTE=Bbrocs;1504811]All that weight is controlled by gangs. Unless you have a death wish, just continue to sit on the couch watching blow[/QUOTE]LMAO! Good one Barry.

But in all seriousness I think Forcdsteeler was just fucking with us. I've seen this guy do some quality reporting in the Rio and Sosua forum. I think he was probably just trying to liven things up around here.

Manny is right.

Av8r, we wish you all the best, but do us a favor and open your own thread just as the Mansion/Casa Blanca/Hotel Medellin Plaza did and promote to your hearts content.

It's very easy in fact. Just go to the main "Colombia" thread and click "Post a New Thread" under the section entitled "User Threads". You can even post the link to it here. That way those who wish to find out more about LL will have one convenient place to get all the info they could ever want. You've already got one set up at C R T. Why not do the same on ISG?

All of these posts about "Birthday parties","NFL Promo Night","We don't let in locals because the chicas asked us not to/Now we are catering to locals as well" are breaking up the flow of this forum.

Colombian Jake: Everyone has stated that you are a stand-up guy, but I believe you could benefit from your own forum as well. The only time you come on this board is to promote "Colombian Jake", LOL. How about sharing some info sometime like Bbrocs does? Your "Colombian Jake self-testimonials" do not suffice and info. It's just self promotion. Start your own thread please.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1504822]Now I generally wish you well on your business. I really do. And as a fellow hobbyist, your thoughts are always as welcome as anyone elses. But your ads and hype are an imposition on the forum. Dial back the smack talk.[/QUOTE]He really does wish you well LL, generally, LOL.

Like SavePros advises though, it would be cool to post your 'club happenings and notices' on your own thread.

It would work out well for you, your business and all of us general well wishers.

I remember too when the 'Mansion' thread was the hot thread on the Colombia forum.

Let's see what happens with Liquid.

Good luck and happy holidays!

[quote=chesrep001;1504807]force, you cannot be for real. this is too stupid.[/quote]come on guys you think i'm really looking to buy ki's of coke? are you crazy? i just curious because i never been to colombia before and wanted to know.

i'm sure the us customs search you before you even leave colombia, i remember when i went to aruba, the usa customs office was at the airport and they search you before you even board the plane,

it usually when you land into the united states is when you see custom agents.

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1504869]Like SavePros advises though, it would be cool to post your 'club happenings and notices' on your own thread.

It would work out well for you, your business and all of us general well wishers.[/QUOTE]And he would never have to worry about "no one seeing the thread" because as long as he or other members make posts in the thread, it will always appear on the front page of ISG in bold showing that new posts in that forum have been made like it does for the "Medellin Reports" thread.

Everyone wins (LOL)!

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1504869]He really does wish you well LL, generally, LOL.

Like SavePros advises though, it would be cool to post your 'club happenings and notices' on your own thread.

It would work out well for you, your business and all of us general well wishers.

I remember too when the 'Mansion' thread was the hot thread on the Colombia forum.

Let's see what happens with Liquid.

Good luck and happy holidays![/QUOTE]"Generally" was an editing mistake. I incompletely changed a sentence. My apologies.

I really do wish his business well. The more quality venues that we can visit, the better.

But there is a limit on forum etiquette. You want to ask our opinion? Fine. But posting ads and trying to smack down members? Cmon man.

Don't forget, WE are your customers. And we can be a fickle bunch.

I posted some photos in the photo section. This girl appears to exhibit perfection.

Sure, I'll open a new thread. I agree that posting too much about one venue doesn't look quite right, but I didn't' realize there was another option. I let a lot of derisive comments slide, however in Manny's case he did deserve a little spanking for saying there were no girls when in fact there are at least 5-10 every night. If one makes a harsh statement like that he better be able to back it up because I will always jump in and defend the truth. I don't care what things were like in the past, it is not that way now. It is also rude to suggest I am getting friends to post flattering comments. It is absolutely untrue and I resent the implication. I do not operate dishonestly, and if I'm accused of it I will defend that vigorously as well.

Thanks for all the great suggestions here. I have implemented many of them, and I can assure you that Liquid is here to stay for the foreseeable future, and will continue to improve in many different ways.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler; 1504883]Come on guys you think I'm really looking to buy KI's of Coke? Are you crazy? I just curious because I never been to Colombia before and wanted to know.

I'm sure the US Customs search you before you even leave Colombia, I remember when I went to Aruba, The USA Customs Office was at the airport and they search you before you even board the plane,

It usually when you land into the United States is when you see Custom Agents.[/QUOTE]The Military Police are out in full force at MDE airport with the drug sniffing dogs both coming and going. You also have to empty your entire carry on luggage and someone goes through every compartment while asking you questions. If your flight is going through Panama you also have to do the exact same thing before you can board the flight from Panama back to the US. Once you get to the US you have to go through customs and possibly get "Secondaried" like I did once.

They have all of their bases covered bro, LOL.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1504977]The Military Police are out in full force at MDE airport with the drug sniffing dogs both coming and going. You also have to empty your entire carry on luggage and someone goes through every compartment while asking you questions. If your flight is going through Panama you also have to do the exact same thing before you can board the flight from Panama back to the US. Once you get to the US you have to go through customs and possibly get "Secondaried" like I did once.

They have all of their bases covered bro, LOL.[/QUOTE]And You didn't even mention the possibility of abdominal xrays on departing MDE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXlynFRwJwA

[QUOTE=Av8r; 1504962]Sure, I'll open a new thread. I agree that posting too much about one venue doesn't look quite right, but I didn't' realize there was another option. I let a lot of derisive comments slide, however in Manny's case he did deserve a little spanking for saying there were no girls when in fact there are at least 5-10 every night. If one makes a harsh statement like that he better be able to back it up because I will always jump in and defend the truth. I don't care what things were like in the past, it is not that way now. It is also rude to suggest I am getting friends to post flattering comments. It is absolutely untrue and I resent the implication. I do not operate dishonestly, and if I'm accused of it I will defend that vigorously as well.

Thanks for all the great suggestions here. I have implemented many of them, and I can assure you that Liquid is here to stay for the foreseeable future, and will continue to improve in many different ways.[/QUOTE]You think you spanked me? Thats a laugh!

I changed my mind. Here's hoping your place goes under. And I"ll again repeat that every single person that I talked to at the Mansion said that Liquid Lounge was absolutely dead all week.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1504977]The Military Police are out in full force at MDE airport with the drug sniffing dogs both coming and going. You also have to empty your entire carry on luggage and someone goes through every compartment while asking you questions. If your flight is going through Panama you also have to do the exact same thing before you can board the flight from Panama back to the US. Once you get to the US you have to go through customs and possibly get "Secondaried" like I did once.

They have all of their bases covered bro, LOL.[/QUOTE]When did this start, I experienced none of this when I left Medellin or Panama. Is this only during certain times of the year? My exit was smooth as far as I was concerned.

[QUOTE=SeizeTheDay;1504995]When did this start, I experienced none of this when I left Medellin or Panama. Is this only during certain times of the year? My exit was smooth as far as I was concerned.[/QUOTE]It's ongoing and random, Here's a 45 min video if you got the time, [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adACpEk8Ss0[/url]

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1504977]The Military Police are out in full force at MDE airport with the drug sniffing dogs both coming and going. You also have to empty your entire carry on luggage and someone goes through every compartment while asking you questions. If your flight is going through Panama you also have to do the exact same thing before you can board the flight from Panama back to the US. Once you get to the US you have to go through customs and possibly get "Secondaried" like I did once.

They have all of their bases covered bro, LOL.[/QUOTE]SavePros knows what he's talking about. On every exit the inspections are not the same. Carry on luggage is examined at least three times, and the dogs check all the checked luggage. Interesting, the dogs on arrival are not the same. They're trained to smell dollars, not drugs. Those that get their "ideas" from movies soon find that reality is not a movie. I don't think that anyone who has any experience in Medellin would suggest that anyone seek out large amounts of drugs. You do not want to fuck with those people. No exception. No reconsideration. The very though of trying to smuggle any drugs out of the airport in Rio Negro makes me wonder if there is a suicide ideation. Not as good of odds as drawing to an inside straight, and the consequences are much more substantial.

Only good energy, and it can't co-exist with stupid

[QUOTE=SeizeTheDay;1504995]When did this start, I experienced none of this when I left Medellin or Panama. Is this only during certain times of the year? My exit was smooth as far as I was concerned.[/QUOTE]Were you on Copa/United Airlines? It has happened without fail on each of my trips.

In Panama they block off the boarding gate area and you have to go through an inspection of your luggage, take off your shoes, empty your pockets, etc., before you can enter the boarding area. I am referring to the return trip back to the US. You do not have to do this going from the US to Panama to MDE.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1505005]Were you on Copa / United Airlines? It has happened without fail on each of my trips.

In Panama they block off the boarding gate area and you have to go through an inspection of your luggage, take off your shoes, empty your pockets, etc, before you can enter the boarding area. I am referring to the return trip back to the US. You do not have to do this going from the US to Panama to MDE.[/QUOTE]I flew Copa. They sealed off the area at Panama but they did not open my bag, it just went through the scanner. I had to remove my belt and shoes but nothing else really. I did not find these things to be excessive; I have had much worse just trying to enter into my Junior High School.

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1504990]You think you spanked me? Thats a laugh!

I changed my mind. Here's hoping your place goes under. And I"ll again repeat that every single person that I talked to at the Mansion said that Liquid Lounge was absolutely dead all week.[/QUOTE]True colors always show eventually;)

There ain't no better dude then av8er. Freaking Period!

I'm here, I'm a BM here!

I want to know what's going on.

Liquid Strip is important to me and any other BM here w / half a brain.

Manny51 you are a good dude but you're going down the wrong path here, please don't continue.

There is a lot of extraneous shit here on the Med. thread and that's just business as usual, freaking period!

Do I want to read page after page about Levitra vs Viagra? Or about how conniving Colombianas are, page after page after page? No I fucking don't!

This forum is for on the ground intel, I / e casas, escorts, strip clubs, hotels, streetwalkers, police activities etc. Brah!

Let this shit go Manny51. Things are getting way out of proportion.

Liquid Strip is an important aspect of mongering in Medellin. It's a new place struggling to find it's way, let it be, leave it alone.

Av8r, your position is understood, I want to see the pics here and I want to hear the updates here on the Medellin board, please continue w / your updates.

I am very interested and enjoy seeing some positive changes in the Medellin mongering scene.

This place (Medellin Reports) is so full of bullshit and fat, why fuck w / guys that are working to maker a better scene in Meddy.

Manny51 you are a sharp dude, we are like minded, lets move on and enjoy the show.

Where's the GOOD pussy?

My dick is being sucked and it is good!

That's what's importanrt Brah, right?

What is a "BM"?

[QUOTE=Socker; 1505067]There ain't no better dude then av8er.

I want to know what's going on.

Liquid Strip is important to me and any other BM here w / half a brain.

Manny51 you are a good dude but you're going down the wrong path here, please don't continue.

There is a lot of extraneous shit here on the Med. Thread and that's just business as usual, freaking period!

Do I want to read page after page about Levitra vs Viagra? Or about how conniving Colombianas are, page after page after page? No I fucking don't!

This forum is for on the ground intel, I / e casas, escorts, strip clubs, hotels, streetwalkers, police activities etc. Brah!

Let this shit go Manny51. Things are getting way out of proportion.

Liquid Strip is an important aspect of mongering in Medellin. It's a new place struggling to find it's way, let it be, leave it alone.

Av8r, your position is understood, I want to see the pics here and I want to hear the updates here on the Medellin board, please continue w / your updates.

I am very interested and enjoy seeing some positive changes in the Medellin mongering scene.[/QUOTE]"Hear Hear", I'll second that and reiterate that a seperate Liquid Lounge thread would be good for noticias and such too.

Good for readers as well as the Liquid Lounge.

Unfornunately, I suspect that the drama will continue with 'I wish you well, oh but now I don't, your place is dead', etc, etc. LOL.

Seriously, guys have been asking for and wanting for years, literally years, a free-lance pick up place in Medellin.

Now, some investors get together to actually try and give it a go, and guys are bashing it already.

Por favor! Que loco!

I can understand the separate thread idea for sure. Good idea, just like when the Mansion was new with lots of news.

I really don't get the drama though.

Happy holidays!

[quote=socker;1505067]there ain't no better dude then av8er. freaking period![/quote]what about

-ricker

-wiltthestilt

-vegas jeff

-bbrocs

-slamcity777

-legal tender

-chesrep001

-vitrea

-etc

?

they all provide good intel, insights, and opinions that help keep this forum interesting (and some of them have been on isg longer than most of us). they (except bbrocs) don't have anything to sell you either, lol.

as for bbrocs, he has always kept any offer mentions for his poblado rentals in the [b]medellin hotels & apartments thread[/b]. he even goes out of his way to provide info that is in direct competition to his business.

[QUOTE=TweedleD; 1504996]It's ongoing and random, Here's a 45 min video if you got the time,

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adACpEk8Ss0[/url][/QUOTE]This was a pretty good watch. I am amazed that guys would smuggle drugs for what they think is the love of woman. Craaaazy!

[quote=savepros321; 1505130]what about

-ricker

-wiltthestilt.

-vegas jeff.

-bbrocs.

-slamcity777.

-legal tender.

-chesrep001.

-vitrea.

-etc.

?

they all provide good intel, insights, and opinions that help keep this forum interesting (and some of them have been on isg longer than most of us). they (except bbrocs) don't have anything to sell you either, lol.

as for bbrocs, he has always kept any offer mentions for his poblado rentals in the [b]medellin hotels & apartments thread[/b]. he even goes out of his way to provide info that is in direct competition to his business.[/quote]i'm sure that all the guys you mentioned are nice guys and most are better contributors to this board than av8er.

but av8er is personally a great guy who loves medellin and is willing to put his heart and soul into an endeavor to make it a better place for us medellin mongers. i don't know of a single american that ever went into business in colombia where getting the biggest roi was the deciding factor. there are just so many ways to make more money easier than doing business in colombia.

av8er has a lot of experience in the medellin p4p scene and i think he would be better received here if he spent a little more time giving us some of his insights as to what is going on as a whole in medellin rather than just giving updates on his night club.

Let me know when the popularity contest is over. Or Legal Tender posts more pics of that jovencita!

Wow, I wish the Chicas would fight over me like this ja ja.

I started to open a new thread last night, but then we got slammed at Liquid. Regardless what anyone says I assure you that these days Liquid is a great party almost every night. Sometimes it is busy for an hour or so, and then a group of guys will take off, and it will get quiet for awhile. Then another group comes in, and it gets busy again. So it's possible for someone to drop by, take a quick look and infer that it is dead.

Anyway, I will stop posting here and open the new thread. I am also going to create a private blog for Liquid that will include all the spicy fotos and videos from liquid as well as all my media as a mongerer for the last 10 years. I have literally thousands of fotos and hours of video from all my trips to Thailand, Colombia, Rio, CR, and even Tijuana. The only way to get the password is to know me personally already, or drop by Liquid, and get it there in person. I already have almost a hundred people on the list, and I am perfectly happy to have many more but I have to be very careful that no chica fotos become public. The girls trust me completely because of my years of treating them well and keeping their identities private.

And I am perfectly happy to provide fair intel on my competitors. I have never been the type of businessman to pretend that I'm the only game in town. There are many other venues in Medellin that are great. I give directions almost every night to our customers that want to walk over to FaseII.

I'll be down there in 8 days and I can't wait to check out Liquid. Those more quality venues for us mongers, the better.

I admire most of you senior members because you have been there and done that. I am still quite new to the P4P scene and Medellin in general. I value this site for the intel AND reading the amazing stories that we can all sit back and just imagine was beyond fun. I appreciate a place posting info on their establishment. Especially if it's open to us American, (or other nationality) mongers looking to have fun! Obviously the mansion is for a select few based on staying at their place and that is their decision. It sounds like a fun place to stay but I personally rather stay at a quiet upscale location. I wouldn't mind paying a 30/50k cop to enter the hotel and have a drink with some gringos to shoot the shit with and chat at the bar and of course grab a hot chica for a few hours of fun. But it's not acceptable and that's their decision. So if LL is open for us to meet and chat and pickup girls then GREAT! For some of us that are new to this playing field, we value opinions but realize that often times we let our ego's and personal preferences interfere with what is best for everyone. This site is open to the public and of course those of us that paid the site get to interact.

Yeah it would be nice to have Av8r get a thread to post all his pictures and web links so we can enjoy and those interested strictly with his establish can chat, but relax and just enjoy the site for what it is. I have barely read any useful intel on here in awhile. If his place is catering to getting laid then he is doing what this site is designed to do. Get us laid! That is afterall our overall primary goal. The Medellin list has some useful intel but as you seniors know already, it can still be a hit or miss. So interacting with an establishments management has its advantages. We should all try to get along to some point. We don't have to sit with each other drinking beers but we can at least help each other out and be civil.

You all know my sob story with my ex and I hope you all are going to extend a smile and a handshake if I come across you during my two weeks in January. Av8r is nice enough to help me celebrate my birthday and I am grateful. No, I never met him and never met any other monger but, if anyone is wanting to chat while I'm in Medellin about their fun times in MED then chat it up with me. Even being somewhat younger than most I have some life stories to make those of you laugh or cringe, whether it is about my Marine Corps days or later profession that I was stuck at for 10 years wearing a badge and in a cruiser with blue lights losing out of fun because of my position. I'm single, not in a position of authority any longer, and I want to have fun finally. So to the majority of you here making me smile with your stories I thank you! But guys, please relax and just enjoy life amongst the beautiful Colombian women that have allowed us to partake in their desires to be with non Colombian men, albeit for money or gifts LOL.

[QUOTE=Sexmetv;1505222]This was a pretty good watch. I am amazed that guys would smuggle drugs for what they think is the love of woman. Craaaazy![/QUOTE]Glad that you enjoyed it, Even funnier is the crazy shit everyone of us has done to get some pussy!

Here is the link to Av8r's new Liquid Lounge/Strip thread. Pics included:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3546-LIQUID-STRIP-(formerly-Liquid-Lounge)[/url]

Support his thread!

While in his thread, click "thread tools" in the upper right-hand corner and select "subscribe to this thread" so that you are notified when there are new posts made in that thread.

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1505296]Glad that you enjoyed it, Even funnier is the crazy shit everyone of us has done to get some pussy![/QUOTE]Seriously! Don't be that Italian guy who started crying once he knew his life was completely over as the police and DEA were searching through is luggage."I was going to be with my girlfriend", LOL. Sadly his new girlfriend's name will be "Rosey Palm".

I would have never guessed that Colombianas were turning mongers into "mules", lol. Like the great line said in the movie There's Just Something About Mary:

"Love will make you do some fucked up things"

The interview they had with the hitman was eye-opening.

Thanks for the video link.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adACpEk8Ss0[/url]

According to this video Colombia exports 450 tons of cocaine worth of 67 billion USD street vaule. 67 $US billion, compared to cia. Gov factbook, Colombias GNP is $US 366 billion.

That means that Colombian cocaine has a street vaule of 18% of Colombias GNP, but of course of this figure maybe max. 30-50% goes back to Colombia. Even so it is amazing that this can go on and on since the 1960/1970.

Very interesting documentaries about those day are "Cocaine Cowboys", but actually the most dangerous person was a female, personified in Oliver Stone's "Savages" as a Mexican Madrina.

Stone may have portrayed her as a Mexican, but she was Colombian.

[url]http://www.ibtimes.com/colombian-drug-lord-griselda-blancos-life-violence-comes-full-circle-761125[/url]

[QUOTE=BlancoVikingo; 1505484][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adACpEk8Ss0[/url]

According to this video Colombia exports 450 tons of cocaine worth of 67 billion USD street vaule. 67 $US billion, compared to cia. Gov factbook, Colombias GNP is $US 366 billion.

That means that Colombian cocain has a street vaule of 18% of Colombias GNP, but of course of this figure maybe max. 30-50% goes back to Colombia. Even so it is amazing that this can go on and on since the 1960/1970.

Very interesting documentaries about those day are "Cocaine Cowboys", but actually the most dangerous person was a female, personified in Oliver Stone's "Savages" as a Mexican Madrina.[/QUOTE]

It seems to me that your ratio is not really a relevant indicator, since the calculated ratio is the "US" market value to "Colombian" GNP.

[QUOTE=BlancoVikingo; 1505484][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adACpEk8Ss0[/url]

That means that Colombian cocain has a street vaule of 18% of Colombias GNP, but of course of this figure maybe max. 30-50% goes back to Colombia. Even so it is amazing that this can go on and on since the 1960/1970.[/QUOTE]

I can only assume that things were so quiet last night because it was the beginning of the next phase of the long Christmas season here with many people lighting candles.

Phase II had maybe a dozen women (and probably fewer men) compared to 40 or 50 on Wednesday. Luna Lunera had two women (and no men). Liquid Lounge actually had about a dozen women which was the number I expected. Unfortunately the quality of women in all three bars were below the standards of my amigo and me so we didn't stay long in any of the bars.

FYI, we had a lot of trouble finding Liquid Lounge. The map on their card was very inaccurate. I think there was a comment in this forum that it is "around the corner" but it is actually around 5 blocks away and across a major street. Several people we asked had no idea and finally a taxi driver was able to circle around and get to it.

Friends,

I'd like to express my thoughts. I love both Colombia and Peru. I like more Colombia for the "casas" and Peru for girlfriend experiences. I tried to chat with some girls on Badoo and I have notices Peruvian girls are more active in reply.

What is your opinion?

Since I did not get kicked out of the club after my recent posts and because I received some positive responses, I will write some more. I am smoking some new pot and feel motivated to write. Well here goes.

Two days ago I had one of my regular working girls that I met 6 months ago in a Centro MP. I have been with her about 15 times. She arrived and stayed for about 5 hours. 2 hours of total sex. 2 great sessions. Everything uncovered. No anal. Sex with her is as good as with my girlfriend. 100k plus 30k for taxis both directions. She respects that I have a girlfriend and never calls me. She is easy to get in touch with and always shows up within 30 minutes of the scheduled time.

Unlike many of you guys, who have scheduled dates and go dancing or out to eat, I almost always stay in my apartment. I do things from playing video games to watching concerts on my computer. I cook and do other things all while listening to mostly salsa and raggaeton. When girls come to my room it is like 2 horny 15 year olds dating who don't own cars yet. This is the thing I love about the Medellin sex scene that I was not able to get in Costa Rica. The attitude outside the pro scene is very different.

After she left I met up with Monger Jonesie. I hadn't seen him in a year and half. We have a long history dating back to Costa Rica.

Stopped by a casino in San Diego before checking out the street scene. There were definitely a few cute girls to had there. For some crazy reason Jonesie wanted to take a picture with the trannies. Did not go well as Jonesie got in a fist fight and, while diving back into the cab, got spit on.

Off to the Mayo. Tables were out and things seemed as usual. Jonesie pulled a girl which I think he paid 50k including BBBJ.

Neither of these scenes are for me. It would take a lot for me to take something from either. I passed on both but was happy to just be hanging out.

Yesterday I made a Centro MP run. I normally start at Sarita / Leidy and work my way from there. Pulled a girl from the first spot.

Valedia. I saw just what I was looking for in Valedia. I was looking for an aggressive sex session and knew that I could get it from her. I have been with Valedia twice before. I had sex with her and her sister in their first week six months ago. She was better than ever. She had improved her skills and was still sweet. It is usually the other way around after 6 months.

She started by giving me a thirty minute excellent BBBJ and showed no signs of fatigue. She could have gone another 30 minutes. I use my smart phone as a clock and turn off the screen saver when in-session in El Centro. With my phone right next to me I answer a call from Jonesie during BBBJ to meet up after my session. I am crazy like that. After BBBJ I had sex with Valedia in a few regular positions for a short amount of time. Very good and connected. Valedia is not an emotional girl and doesn't make noise but enjoys sex. I am not sure if she is a kisser or not as I don't have that connection with her. Now comes to the reason why I took her. I am not a huge anal sex guy but anal sex is great with her. In easy and off we go. After a medium pace for 10 minutes I am pounding her hard now. I see a tint of dark on the condom. I gently take the condom off, hop in the shower, and rinse off my goods with soap. She does the same. Doesn't kill the mood at all. Back in the bed in a minute. I throw on another condom and after a few minutes in missionary and a hard pounding in doggie I blast in the condom. 1 hr 60k.

I sometimes offer girls 20k BBBJ upfront. Some girls I give an additional 20k for anal in-session. This was the third time I had been Valedia, and like the previous 2 times, I gave her 20k tip total which she appreciated.

After my session I met up with Jonesie and another guy at the second floor place, chica punto I think. About 10 girls in the lineup. Some doable. Nothing special. Went up to the third floor place, sf I think, and a little better talent there. About 6-7 girls. Jonesie pulled a girl. He said that she was good. Don't remember her name or the price.

While Jonesie was in session I saw a former MP manager on the street and asked him if he could score me some kripa. I made it very clear kripa or nothing. No regular weed! He said it was 2.5k / joint. I gave him 35k for 15 joints and told him I would give him 15k tip when he got back. In 10 minutes he was back with the stuff. After smoking it as I am writing this, it about as good as I could have expected. Just a little better than regular weed from the states.

After getting weed and meeting up with Jonesie, off we went to do non-mongering related things.

Sorry guys but I am not a photo taker. I have photos of 25 of the 500 girls that I did in Costa Rica on a camera at home. I will be putting them on the CR board when I get back.

When I was in Costa Rica for 6 years, about 3 months per year, I had sex 10-12 times per week. I missed a day a month. All pay.

Being in Colombia for 2 1/2 years, about 5 months per year, I have sex 5-6 week. I miss 2 days a week now. 3-4 pays per week.

Although I know the lay of the land pretty well, I do not frequent the regular P4P scene as often as some of you vets. I will try to give updates on changes in the scene as I see them.

After reading the Medellin board, over the past year, the reason IMO this board is such a landmine is because Medellin is so individualized. Expats, and tourists alike, are doing so many different things with their time. Individual experiences can vary dramatically from the time you spend with each girl, to where you go and what you do.

Advice to newbies: There is a learning curve in this hobby. Every experienced hobbyist has horror stories. You will also. Use your mind to get better and leave your heart at home.

Advice to all: Be civil with your fellow board members and wish them well. We can all learn something that enhances our future experiences. I am pulling for all of you to have a great time on your adventures.

Good luck again to all.

VJ

Gentlemen, I've been reading this forum off and on over the past six months and have made a decision to go to Medellin. I plan to live there for about 3 months for a couple of reasons in March. 1 is to learn spanish by taking up a course in one of their university. 2. Of course the mongering. 3. Getting to know the locals. I'm usually on the Tijuana board posting but I've had my fill and want to try a new dish. Not too worried about cost but at the the same time not stupid. I plan to live in the El Pablado area since I hear this is the place to be at. At the same time I want to be close to the area where I can on a whim make decision to go to the places like Liquid, Mansion. Etc. So the question is, how close are these places, a bank I can use where I don't get hit up with too much transaction fees. Any suggestions on the spanish classes (I plan of course to use the rosetta stone until I get there) and what to look out for. Any advice on the locals as well. Many Thanks for all advices.

[QUOTE=SBeach25;1505591]Gentlemen, I've been reading this forum off and on over the past six months and have made a decision to go to Medellin. I plan to live there for about 3 months for a couple of reasons in March. 1 is to learn spanish by taking up a course in one of their university. 2. Of course the mongering. 3. Getting to know the locals. I'm usually on the Tijuana board posting but I've had my fill and want to try a new dish. Not too worried about cost but at the the same time not stupid. I plan to live in the El Pablado area since I hear this is the place to be at. At the same time I want to be close to the area where I can on a whim make decision to go to the places like Liquid, Mansion. Etc. So the question is, how close are these places, a bank I can use where I don't get hit up with too much transaction fees. Any suggestions on the spanish classes (I plan of course to use the rosetta stone until I get there) and what to look out for.[/QUOTE]Banks are everywhere. Not a concern. I would recommend the Laureles / Estadio area. Coming from Tijuana, this would be a good transition. You will not get the same cultural experience in El Poblado. UPB in Laureles has good Spanish classes.

[QUOTE=SBeach25;1505591]So the question is, how close are these places, a bank I can use where I don't get hit up with too much transaction fees. Any suggestions on the spanish classes (I plan of course to use the rosetta stone until I get there) and what to look out for. Any advice on the locals as well. Many Thanks for all advices.[/QUOTE]-To get to el centro (casas) or barrio Colombia (Liquid Lounge, Fase Dos, etc.) you will have to take a taxi. You can take the bus to and from el centro, but I have no experience doing so, so can't comment.

-As for banking, open up a Schwab free checking account before you go, and use ATM's that charge a fee. Schwab will refund all fees charged for ATM transactions. See the "Colombian Peso exchange rate and related issues" thread for more info on this. Bbrocs has explained this in length, so look for the posts by him.

-I don't have any info on Spanish classes

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1505119]What is a "BM"?[/QUOTE]Board Member

[QUOTE=SBeach25;1505591]Gentlemen, I've been reading this forum off and on over the past six months and have made a decision to go to Medellin. I plan to live there for about 3 months for a couple of reasons in March. 1 is to learn spanish by taking up a course in one of their university. 2. Of course the mongering. 3. Getting to know the locals. I'm usually on the Tijuana board posting but I've had my fill and want to try a new dish. Not too worried about cost but at the the same time not stupid. I plan to live in the El Pablado area since I hear this is the place to be at. At the same time I want to be close to the area where I can on a whim make decision to go to the places like Liquid, Mansion. Etc. So the question is, how close are these places, a bank I can use where I don't get hit up with too much transaction fees. Any suggestions on the spanish classes (I plan of course to use the rosetta stone until I get there) and what to look out for. Any advice on the locals as well. Many Thanks for all advices.[/QUOTE]Pablado is a nice area to stay in, but has relatively nothing to offer in the way of mongering. Centro is where you want to be, there are casas, street scene chicas, and clubs. But I think some people like the comfort and safety of Pablado. So my advice is to skip Pablado if you can.

Two years ago I went to Medellin. The best place for me is the center of Medellin. You are right but it was dangerous at night walking alone. Is it safer now?

[QUOTE=SeizeTheDay;1505621]So my advice is to skip Pablado if you can.[/QUOTE]Are there accommodations in Central that you recommend?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1505625]Are there accommodations in Central that you recommend?[/QUOTE]But is you find a interesting hotel or apartment, you cannot walk alone in the night.

[QUOTE=JPF; 1505546]I can only assume that things were so quiet last night because it was the beginning of the next phase of the long Christmas season here with many people lighting candles.

Phase II had maybe a dozen women (and probably fewer men) compared to 40 or 50 on Wednesday. Luna Lunera had two women (and no men). Liquid Lounge actually had about a dozen women which was the number I expected. Unfortunately the quality of women in all three bars were below the standards of my amigo and me so we didn't stay long in any of the bars.

FYI, we had a lot of trouble finding Liquid Lounge. The map on their card was very inaccurate. I think there was a comment in this forum that it is "around the corner" but it is actually around 5 blocks away and across a major street. Several people we asked had no idea and finally a taxi driver was able to circle around and get to it.[/QUOTE]Sorry you had trouble finding us. You're not the first, and I will have to add that to my ever growing list of things to do.

It's very difficult to keep a group of 9's and 10's at Liquid all the time. I have mentioned here that I am working on increasing the quality of women at Liquid. Having said that, he must be extremely picky. We had Lina, Kathe, Chris from the Mansion, and Alejandra our birthday girl, and a few others. I am very picky myself, but there were at least 4 chicas there throughout the night that I would have been happy to take home.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1505625]Are there accommodations in Central that you recommend?[/QUOTE]Not from personal experience, but there have been some recommendations from other members on this forum. I have recently been planning my next trip, so I have been on airbnb often as of late.

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1505127]"Hear Hear", I'll second that and reiterate that a seperate Liquid Lounge thread would be good for noticias and such too.

Good for readers as well as the Liquid Lounge.

Unfornunately, I suspect that the drama will continue with 'I wish you well, oh but now I don't, your place is dead', etc, etc. LOL.

Seriously, guys have been asking for and wanting for years, literally years, a free-lance pick up place in Medellin.

Now, some investors get together to actually try and give it a go, and guys are bashing it already.

Por favor! Que loco!

I can understand the separate thread idea for sure. Good idea, just like when the Mansion was new with lots of news.

I really don't get the drama though.

Happy holidays![/QUOTE]

For the record this is what fueled my recent exuberance.

The Manhattan and it's maker...

[QUOTE=SBeach25;1505591]Gentlemen, I've been reading this forum off and on over the past six months and have made a decision to go to Medellin. I plan to live there for about 3 months for a couple of reasons in March. 1 is to learn spanish by taking up a course in one of their university. 2. Of course the mongering. 3. Getting to know the locals. I'm usually on the Tijuana board posting but I've had my fill and want to try a new dish. Not too worried about cost but at the the same time not stupid. I plan to live in the El Pablado area since I hear this is the place to be at. At the same time I want to be close to the area where I can on a whim make decision to go to the places like Liquid, Mansion. Etc. So the question is, how close are these places, a bank I can use where I don't get hit up with too much transaction fees. Any suggestions on the spanish classes (I plan of course to use the rosetta stone until I get there) and what to look out for. Any advice on the locals as well. Many Thanks for all advices.[/QUOTE]You were very helpful on the Tijuana forum. Thanks.

All of us have different tastes, priorities and budgets. My strong recommendation for a first timer to MDE is to stay in Poblado. Taxis are cheap. I have couple of favorite places I rent and I have posted them in the Apartment thread. I can PM if you can't find them. Rest of your questions are answered by smarter people than me.

[QUOTE=SBeach25;1505591]Gentlemen,uid, Mansion. Etc.Any suggestions on the spanish classes (I plan of course to use the rosetta stone until I get there) and what to look out for. Any advice on the locals as well. Many Thanks for all advices.[/QUOTE]Oh! Don't invest in Rosetta Stone. Waste of time and money. Pimsleur Spanish is way cheaper and more user friendly / effective.

[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1505653]You were very helpful on the Tijuana forum. Thanks.

All of us have different tastes, priorities and budgets. My strong recommendation for a first timer.

To MDE is to stay in Poblado. Taxis are cheap. I have couple of favorite places I rent and I have posted them in the Apartment thread. I can PM if you can't find them. Rest of your questions are answered by smarter people than me.[/QUOTE]Thank you. I'm leaning toward Poblado as advise by you and a couple other members as a first time. Once I get more confident with my spanish and area maybe on my return trip I will stay in other areas. I'd rather play the safety card first until then. So far I've been on the AIRbnb and looking at some places and I have a couple in mind. Appreciate all the help from you and others. Those who have stayed in the Poblado area, any issues bring home any guests? I'm renting a whole apt by myself so I don't think its an issue but what about the ladies? Do they outcall to this area? How are the neighbors if they see you have a guest? Are the neighbors frowning upon us?

This is a documentary about the main prison in Bogota. Unbelieveable, and a glimpse into Colombian social structure and society.

[url]http://youtu.be/3YgixIJnyh4[/url]

The other is a short (2 minutes plus) about a beauty pageant in the women's prison in Colombia.

[url]http://youtu.be/emNxOcDRkYY[/url]

Because of the hills, ravines, twisty roads, and one way streets it can be very confusing to navigate in Poblado. We are in an apartment about 5 blocks up from El Poblado and more than half the taxi drivers have gotten lost going to our place by just its address. I would recommend staying down near El Poblado (the main road) to avoid that problem and also being within walking distance of Parque Lleras where there are lots of restaurants, shops, etc.

It is our first time here so I can't compare against other regions but we have been happy in Poblado.

[QUOTE=SBeach25;1505656]Thank you. I'm leaning toward Poblado as advise by you and a couple other members as a first time.[/QUOTE]

[quote=sbeach25;1505656]those who have stayed in the poblado area, any issues bring home any guests? i'm renting a whole apt by myself so i don't think its an issue but what about the ladies? do they outcall to this area? how are the neighbors if they see you have a guest? are the neighbors frowning upon us?[/quote]you won't have any problems unless you unnecessarily make problems for yourself. observe:

from c r t posted by estabahn (about an gringo getting shaken down for messing with ****d chicas)

[i]"i am passing on second hand information from a reliable source:

a gringo visitor invited a chica he had connected with on facebook to his apartment. apparently, she was __________ and he was unaware of _______. she was followed shortly by two (fake) cops. they demanded and got $3000.00 from the guy.

this is all unconfirmed and normally i would not spread innuendo, but this is important stuff to know. if people get the idea they can do this, it will happen more.

if i get more info about this, i will post.

edited to comply with the rule 22. i know tweedledee is very sensitive about this subject."[/i]

[quote=savepros321; 1505699]you won't have any problems unless you unnecessarily make problems for yourself. observe:

from c r t posted by estabahn (about an gringo getting shaken down for messing with ****d chicas)

[i]"i am passing on second hand information from a reliable source:

a gringo visitor invited a chica he had connected with on facebook to his apartment. apparently, she was __________ and he was unaware of _______. she was followed shortly by two (fake) cops. they demanded and got $3000. 00 from the guy.

this is all unconfirmed and normally i would not spread innuendo, but this is important stuff to know. if people get the idea they can do this, it will happen more.

if i get more info about this, i will post.

edited to comply with the rule 22. i know tweedledee is very sensitive about this subject."[/i][/quote]thanks for the info. i will keep my wits about me and no i won't be inviting girls that look that young to begin with.

I got a huge chuckle from this question! If you're staying in an Apt in an upper class building, depending on who your neighbor is, I'd have to say YES, I have received the Colombian version of "stink eye"on more than one occasion while riding in the elevator with my hooker.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1505657]This is a documentary about the main prison in Bogota. Unbelieveable, and a glimpse into Colombian social structure and society.

[url]http://youtu.be/3YgixIJnyh4[/url]

The other is a short (2 minutes plus) about a beauty pageant in the women's prison in Colombia.

[url]http://youtu.be/emNxOcDRkYY[/url][/QUOTE]This is amazing, the women in Colombia's prisons look better than most of the women in America.

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1505714]I got a huge chuckle from this question! If you're staying in an Apt in an upper class building, depending on who your neighbor is, I'd have to say YES, I have received the Colombian version of "stink eye"on more than one occasion while riding in the elevator with my hooker.[/QUOTE]TweedleD is right. Try to rent from Bbrocs, the owner of Poblado Rentals. He owns his buildings (some of them), so there are not any problems with the neighbors. He will let you know which of his properties are ok to cut loose in, and which ones you have to act a bit more conservative.

[url]http://pobladorentals.com[/url]

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1505699]A gringo visitor invited a chica he had connected with on Facebook to his apartment. Apparently, she was __________ and he was unaware of _______. She was followed shortly by two (fake) cops. They demanded and got $3000. 00 from the guy.

This is all unconfirmed and normally I would not spread innuendo, but this is important stuff to know. If people get the idea they can do this, it will happen more. [/i][/QUOTE]I see quite a bit of discussion about safety on the street, and in clubs. What is reported by innuendo is a real potential reality. I'm often concerned about the first-time visitors to Medellin that knows nothing about the city, the conditions in Colombia, and often times little or no Spanish. They want to start this virgin adventure in an apartment by themselves? That's why I strongly advocate that the first-time visitor consider staying at the mansion where there is almost always seasoned veterans, and substantial vetting of the girls that come there.

Medellin is filled with very desperate people, and some of them are beautiful young women. Life is not risk-free. But you've got to realize that every gringo is a potential target, whether from a novio that's in on a robbery, a crooked cop, or the fake cop.

SavePros Report is from a guy that knows his way around the city, and I'm sure it is intended to be food for thought for all of us. The newbie and the guys that have been around a while, a like.

[QUOTE=Vegas Jeff;1505593]Banks are everywhere. Not a concern. I would recommend the Laureles / Estadio area. Coming from Tijuana, this would be a good transition. You will not get the same cultural experience in El Poblado. UPB in Laureles has good Spanish classes.[/QUOTE]I agree, I have always liked this area, and a quick metro ride to el Centro or Poblado.

Hunter,

I thinking about mixing things up and doing 5-7 days in Lima before heading to MDE. Is it worth my precious vacation time? I've been to Peru once before, but I didn't spend much time in Lima before heading to Cusco and Macchu Picchu. I didn't notice the Peru women to be as hot as those in Colombia. But I'm thinking in a City the size of Lima, there has to be some good ones. Looking for comments on how worthwhile Lima is for mongering.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter; 1505555]Friends,

I'd like to express my thoughts. I love both Colombia and Peru. I like more Colombia for the "casas" and Peru for girlfriend experiences. I tried to chat with some girls on Badoo and I have notices Peruvian girls are more active in reply.

What is your opinion?[/QUOTE]

The cost of a Paisa

The 5 Stradas of working girls in Medellin.

Strada 5: Mansion Paisas. 80K-100K ST & 150K TLN.

Strada 4: Casa Paisas. 30K. 150K ST and 100K. 150K TLN.

Strada 3.1: Stripclub chicas. 50K ST.

Strada 3: Mayorista Paisas. 25K ST & 80K-150K TLN.

Strada 2: San Diego street Paisas. 50K ST & 100K TLN.

Strada 1: Centro Park Daytime. 8K BJ

This info is from 2007.

Can someone please tell me what the 2013 prices are?

Strada 5: Mansion Paisas. 80K-100K ST & 150K TLN.

More like 150K ST. 300K TLN. Of course YMMV.

Strada 4: Casa Paisas. 30K. 150K ST and 100K. 150K TLN.

Not sure what is meant by "casa" here but if he means like San Diego, F2 and other higher end places then you're looking 100K-200K ST. 300K-500K TLN.

Strada 3. 1: Stripclub chicas. 50K ST.

40K-80K ST. 100K-300K TLN.

Strada 3: Mayorista Paisas. 25K ST & 80K-150K TLN.

Probably still about right.

Strada 2: San Diego street Paisas. 50K ST & 100K TLN.

About right, maybe a little more TLN but also maybe a little less ST. I've seen ST as low as 20K, TLN as high as 150K.

Strada 1: Centro Park Daytime. 8K BJ

I have no idea, probably closer to 20K but most of the girls have dicks or are otherwise kind of bummy.

Can someone please tell me what the 2013 prices are?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1505759]I see quite a bit of discussion about safety on the street, and in clubs. What is reported by innuendo is a real potential reality. I'm often concerned about the first-time visitors to Medellin that knows nothing about the city, the conditions in Colombia, and often times little or no Spanish. They want to start this virgin adventure in an apartment by themselves? That's why I strongly advocate that the first-time visitor consider staying at the mansion where there is almost always seasoned veterans, and substantial vetting of the girls that come there.

Medellin is filled with very desperate people, and some of them are beautiful young women. Life is not risk-free. But you've got to realize that every gringo is a potential target, whether from a novio that's in on a robbery, a crooked cop, or the fake cop.

SavePros Report is from a guy that knows his way around the city, and I'm sure it is intended to be food for thought for all of us. The newbie and the guys that have been around a while, a like.[/QUOTE]If you aren't staying in a hotel, you really need to be staying in a building that has armed security that only lets in people after they call you and get your permission.

The story could have been a lot worst. What if the chick just opened up the front door and let two or three guys in that where prepared to give you a life changing experience. Jajaja.

When I had my apartment in Cali I lived in a building with armed guards 24/7 that wouldn't let anyone in unless they checked with me first and I still put a dead bolt on my door that locked with a key from the inside so nobody could ever open the door except for me.

I'm travelling to Medellin next week and everything so far has been planned. I have read a few things, some negatives / positives about the girls from Facebook. Has anyone been with either Valerie or Stefania. These girls seemed to be reliable but a negative experience might change my plans.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Cali Hentai; 1506012]If you aren't staying in a hotel, you really need to be staying in a building that has armed security that only lets in people after they call you and get your permission.

The story could have been a lot worst. What if the chick just opened up the front door and let two or three guys in that where prepared to give you a life changing experience. Jajaja.

When I had my apartment in Cali I lived in a building with armed guards 24/7 that wouldn't let anyone in unless they checked with me first and I still put a dead bolt on my door that locked with a key from the inside so nobody could ever open the door except for me.[/QUOTE]I prefer a nice hotel when I'm in Colombia. It's just nice to kick back and relax in a nice king bed and have some quietness when I'm ready to sleep. My preferred hotel in Medellin is Hotel Estelar Blue. It's clean, quiet, offers free breakfast and dinner, and comfortable. It's walking distance to several malls and casinos. It's just my preference. But I did check out the link for pobladorentals and saw a nice studio for a great price. The price was actually the same as the hotel I use. Sad that it's booked for all of January. BUT HEY. This thread is for meeting women and their locations and reviews. Let's get back on subject.

Spoke to friend today who gave me a strong recommendation of new Centro MP girl. When I got there I was sad to find out that she had already quit. She did not last a week. Damn it.

With changed plans and feeling a little anxious I stopped at Afrodita. Saw a girl with a cute smile and overall looked pretty good.

Luciana. 35k half hour. 20k BBBJ. Luciana started of by giving me a great BBBJ. Unfortunately only for 2 minutes and then had to stop and spit. She continued this routine for a total of less than 10 minutes. Impossible to relax. I started in Mish, then she was on top, and finished in doggie. Had to concentrate to get off. Overall an underaverage session but not terrible.

Sorry guys. No photos.

VJ

[QUOTE=JPF; 1505681]Because of the hills, ravines, twisty roads, and one way streets it can be very confusing to navigate in Poblado. We are in an apartment about 5 blocks up from El Poblado and more than half the taxi drivers have gotten lost going to our place by just its address. I would recommend staying down near El Poblado (the main road) to avoid that problem and also being within walking distance of Parque Lleras where there are lots of restaurants, shops, etc.

It is our first time here so I can't compare against other regions but we have been happy in Poblado.[/QUOTE]5 blocks up Parque Ileras is almost perfect. The place I rent is 5 blocks as well. My first trip, I stayed on Parque Ileras and it was too noisy. I write down the [B]exact[/B] Address of the edificio (building) and I memorize the closet landmark such a hotel or the street intersection. Makes it easy for Taxi drivers. In some cities, I even take a picture of the front of the building from my phone but I never had to do that in MDE.

[QUOTE=SBeach25;1505656]Thank you. I'm leaning toward Poblado as advise by you and a couple other members as a first time. Once I get more confident with my spanish and area maybe on my return trip I will stay in other areas. I'd rather play the safety card first until then. So far I've been on the AIRbnb and looking at some places and I have a couple in mind. Appreciate all the help from you and others. Those who have stayed in the Poblado area, any issues bring home any guests? I'm renting a whole apt by myself so I don't think its an issue but what about the ladies? Do they outcall to this area? How are the neighbors if they see you have a guest? Are the neighbors frowning upon us?[/QUOTE]Excellent practical questions:

Most building porterias (door men) do not care. Some renters and buildings have a rule that they check I.D but that is rare. If they do, it is not a big deal. Protects you actually. They can tell a fake I.D. better than someone new to CO.

I always insist that the girl dress elegantly when I do TLNs and TLNs is pretty much all I do. The way the girl is dressed when I m doing a TLN can be a deal breaker for me. If they dress like an obvious hooker, I sometimes move on and tell her that I will take her the next day if she dresses "properly" to go out.

I do my best not to linger too long in the lobby and I certainly do not make a show of it. Everyone knows what is going on but keeping it as low key as possible is always in the best interest. Most importantly, I tip the porteria at least 10K pesos the first night I check in and every night I bring a girl. They are very appreciative of it and it goes a long way.

[QUOTE=SBeach25;1505656]I'm leaning toward Poblado as advise by you and a couple other members as a first time. Once I get more confident with my spanish and area maybe on my return trip I will stay in other areas. I'd rather play the safety card first until then. So far I've been on the AIRbnb and looking at some places and I have a couple in mind. Appreciate all the help from you and others. Those who have stayed in the Poblado area, any issues bring home any guests? I'm renting a whole apt by myself so I don't think its an issue but what about the ladies? Do they outcall to this area? How are the neighbors if they see you have a guest? Are the neighbors frowning upon us?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Vitrea; 1506082]Excellent practical questions:

Most building porterias (door men) do not care. Some renters and buildings have a rule that they check I. D but that is rare. If they do, it is not a big deal. Protects you actually. They can tell a fake I. D. Better than someone new to CO.

I always insist that the girl dress elegantly when I do TLNs and TLNs is pretty much all I do. The way the girl is dressed when I m doing a TLN can be a deal breaker for me. If they dress like an obvious hooker, I sometimes move on and tell her that I will take her the next day if she dresses "properly" to go out.

I do my best not to linger too long in the lobby and I certainly do not make a show of it. Everyone knows what is going on but keeping it as low key as possible is always in the best interest. Most importantly, I tip the porteria at least 10K pesos the first night I check in and every night I bring a girl. They are very appreciative of it and it goes a long way.[/QUOTE]I have stayed in more than 10 buildings in El Poblado.

Vitrea has got it all right. This is a model of how to do things. Tipping is not necessary but appreciated.

Upper class women hate working girls. If they dress more conservatively and as Vitrea says,"not to linger too long and make a show of it", you will blend in better.

Most importantly be a gentleman and act decent when you leave and arrive into and out of your apartment.

It is not a good idea to be giggling and pinching your guest when you are in the elevator with a 50 year old couple.

[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1506082]Excellent practical questions:

Most building porterias (door men) do not care. Some renters and buildings have a rule that they check I. D but that is rare. If they do, it is not a big deal. Protects you actually. They can tell a fake I. D. Better than someone new to CO.

I always insist that the girl dress elegantly when I do TLNs and TLNs is pretty much all I do. The way the girl is dressed when I m doing a TLN can be a deal breaker for me. If they dress like an obvious hooker, I sometimes move on and tell her that I will take her the next day if she dresses "properly" to go out.

I do my best not to linger too long in the lobby and I certainly do not make a show of it. Everyone knows what is going on but keeping it as low key as possible is always in the best interest. Most importantly, I tip the porteria at least 10K pesos the first night I check in and every night I bring a girl. They are very appreciative of it and it goes a long way.[/QUOTE]Good advice on the tips. I'll make note of that. I agree on how the girl is dressed. I will not take them back to my place for TLN unless they look like the normal girl next door. Since my plan is to stay there in Columbia for about 3 months I will check out another location my last month there.

Finally getting excited for my Medellin visita in a few days. I've spent a few nights with bedtime ISG stories of how to proceed in the beautiful city of Medellin. Took a while to realize that my signup emails were going straight to the junk email before I could comment, but whatever.

I will follow the 1st timer advice and will be staying at "the place to be", but I would like to stake out the territory and would be happy to accompany on any hunts taking place in a few days. I'm down to check out LL, Mayo, F2, SD, and secondary want the most bang for the buck, but primarily want the most top tier service quality service provided. I could use some help, although I can speak conversational Spanish.

[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1506082]Excellent practical questions:

Most building porterias (door men) do not care. Some renters and buildings have a rule that they check I. D but that is rare. If they do, it is not a big deal. Protects you actually. They can tell a fake I. D. Better than someone new to CO.

I always insist that the girl dress elegantly when I do TLNs and TLNs is pretty much all I do. The way the girl is dressed when I m doing a TLN can be a deal breaker for me. If they dress like an obvious hooker, I sometimes move on and tell her that I will take her the next day if she dresses "properly" to go out.

I do my best not to linger too long in the lobby and I certainly do not make a show of it. Everyone knows what is going on but keeping it as low key as possible is always in the best interest. Most importantly, I tip the porteria at least 10K pesos the first night I check in and every night I bring a girl. They are very appreciative of it and it goes a long way.[/QUOTE]Nice one V. I hate the "Mira Mira Hooker" look that some girls think is ok. IMO it's sort of a turn off. I like a cute outfit or classy is nice too. Always nice to 1) not upset your neighbors* 2) have the door guys on your side*

*I was staying at a place and there was this girl I kept bumping into on the elevator, super market, ect. Chatty flirty fun and I had it in my mind to make a move the next time I ran into her. Well the next time was in the lobby with a girl who had "Hooker" printed on her fore head. So that was that.

* I've been snitched out by door guys for "too many people" staying in the apartment, loud parties, and pot smoke.

One more tip that some guys might like to use. I learned form a buddy in Bogota. This dude a great guy, fun, and cool. Party animal! That's the problem, he gets wasted and maker bad decisions. He's been robbed or ripped off so many times and been drugged so many times by girls it's almost funny!

It's like Bro how you fall of this again?

Me: Hey can I use your ipad so look up.

Dude: Sorry you can't. I lost it.

Me: You lost it? Like on the bus. Dude again? Was it at least 2 girls and you got to plug both of them right?

Hahahah. Anyway.

His tip is that he has a deal with the door guy, either he calls down or escorts them to the door. If not the door guy knows something is up. It's just a tip, better safe then sorry.

When you tell about center of Medellin, do you mean Plaza Bolivar or what?

[QUOTE=Vegas Jeff;1506095]Vitrea has got it all right. Tipping is not necessary but appreciated.[/QUOTE]"Not necessary but appreciated", is an understatement.

If you tip and treat these doormen, vigilantes (security guards) , maids, etc nicely, you will be APPRECIATED with a capital 'A'.

Highly recommended not to be a cheap Charlie or arrogant.

[QUOTE=Vegas Jeff;1506095]Upper class women hate working girls .[/QUOTE]Boy oh boy is that the truth!

If you've ever gotten the stink eye from one of these ladies when you're with an obvious working girl, you'll know it, LOL

[QUOTE=Vegas Jeff;1506095]Tipping is not necessary[/QUOTE]I always try to do what the locals do and is customary in whatever country I am in.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1506313]I always try to do what the locals do and is customary in whatever country I am in.[/QUOTE]That generally means not tipping at all, LOL.

IMO, the game is a bit different when you're a foreigner / stranger in town and hoping for little extra 'protection' or 'help'.

To each their own of course, I've always had great luck because I've most always taken care of the people who can take care of me too, especially because I'm not a local.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1506313]I always try to do what the locals do and is customary in whatever country I am in.[/QUOTE]Locals do not tip in Medellin. Service and tipping is a new concept in Medellin and in the El Poblado area they are slowly making this transition. Most upper class locals tip 0-1k for deliveries. 5-10% at restaurants, and pay exact amounts to cab drivers.

I tip 2k-5k to porterias for basic things or for deliveries. 15% in restaurants, and cabs 500 pesos to 1k. I receive extremely warm, genuine responses from tipping in Medellin and it gives me the reinforcement to continue doing so.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1506082]Most building porterias (door men) do not care. Some renters and buildings have a rule that they check I.D but that is rare. If they do, it is not a big deal. Protects you actually. They can tell a fake I.D. better than someone new to CO.[/QUOTE]By definition buildings that let people rent their apartments for less than a month at a time are not all that security conscious.

But the idea is that the armed guards only let people into the building after the non resident guest tells him whom they are going to visit and what apartment they intend to go to. Then the guard calls the particular apartment and if the person is home and says it is OK to let them up. Then and only then is the person is allowed into the building and asked to show I'd.

You can also set it up so the guard calls you up and asks if it is OK to let the person leave the building as well.

Can someone tell me in which streets of the center there are girls at night?

I am here to report on the guys having fun in Medellin with Colombia Jake, not give away information. There are plenty of guys to do that, so Eric after being stationed in Iraq for almost 2 years needed an emergency $2,000 visa just to get out of there for weird reasons nobody knows, arrived with a lot of pent up demand so we set out to quench that fire, so the first day or two we hit the centro casas. He had been working several chica websites as well so he had options. His days have been full of action and fun just the way you hope it will!

Roy arrived and wanted to experience all the centro casas and this time of year its by far the best, for being able to have an experience in each and just about every one. Invited over a cute chica today for him they hit it off and tomorrow their going out for a night on the town. This is the part that makes a stay here so much fun and adds the girlfriend type date experience which so many of you guys are so in need of and thankful for. Happy to help!

Colombia Jake

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter;1506468]Can someone tell me in which streets of the center there are girls at night?[/QUOTE]From Hotel Nutibara, walk 3-4 blocks West on DeGrieff (Calle 53). After you pass the strip bars (first you'll pass Ejecutivo, then Hilton Bar) , you will see some street girls. Even more so on some of the side streets off of DeGrieff. I've seen some quite attractive ones. Please note, this is not for the easily scared. After dark, this area can be pretty dicey.

I'm sure there are other areas also.

[QUOTE=Combo; 1506583]From Hotel Nutibara, walk 3-4 blocks West on DeGrieff (Calle 53). After you pass the strip bars (first you'll pass Ejecutivo, then Hilton Bar) , you will see some street girls. Even more so on some of the side streets off of DeGrieff. I've seen some quite attractive ones. Please note, this is not for the easily scared. After dark, this area can be pretty dicey.

I'm sure there are other areas also.[/QUOTE]Calle 53 is Maracaibo. It's the area near the museum (Museo de Antioquia) and there are a number of other strip clubs where the girls are around $20 USD as well. I have seen just OK talent there and yes it is lacking in ambiance hahaha.

Hey I'm going to medllin for work for a few days starting the 16th and then am there till the 2nd of jan. Looking for some help, where would be some good places to go? Are girls easy there? Is not speaking Spanish going to be a problem.

Never been to this area of the world, so any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Derek

[QUOTE=Colombia Jake; 1506476]I am here to report on the guys having fun in Medellin with Colombia Jake, not give away information.

Colombia Jake[/QUOTE]In other words: "If you are not lining my pockets with cash then go an fuck yourselves. While you're at it, check out my new user thread!"

Noted

[QUOTE=Combo; 1506583]From Hotel Nutibara, walk 3-4 blocks West on DeGrieff (Calle 53). After you pass the strip bars (first you'll pass Ejecutivo, then Hilton Bar) , you will see some street girls. Even more so on some of the side streets off of DeGrieff. I've seen some quite attractive ones. Please note, this is not for the easily scared. After dark, this area can be pretty dicey.

I'm sure there are other areas also.[/QUOTE]People tell that centro of Medellin is a good area to pick up girls but if streets pretty dicey at night. Even if you're a daredevil it is hard to get a good stay.

[QUOTE=Derek62; 1506647]Hey I'm going to medllin for work for a few days starting the 16th and then am there till the 2nd of jan. Looking for some help, where would be some good places to go? Are girls easy there? Is not speaking Spanish going to be a problem.

Never been to this area of the world, so any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Derek[/QUOTE]Do you also not speak English?

[QUOTE=Derek62; 1506647]Hey I'm going to medllin for work for a few days starting the 16th and then am there till the 2nd of jan. Looking for some help, where would be some good places to go? Are girls easy there? Is not speaking Spanish going to be a problem.

Never been to this area of the world, so any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Derek[/QUOTE]I'm going to help you out a bit. First, you really should read the forum. Scroll back about two months worth for the up to date info. Then visit the sister thread on the Medellin List to see the locations and prices. That is the BEST ADVICE any of us can offer you. There are massage parlors, strip clubs, disco's, etc. For you to visit. You can even walk around the centro or one of the major malls and practically trip over a girl that would be interested in a night out for dinner and then some quality time. Don't be obnoxious or arrogant. Be friendly, polite, and act like you have some sense about yourself. Girls don't pay for their dinner or drinks so expect to pay. They may even ask for taxi money and it's ok to give her 20k pesos to be nice. Check out Energy, New Life, Face Dos, Liquid Lounge, and a number of other places. Spend some time reading. It will answer all of your questions. Have fun and be safe

Spotlight on butt injecting CubaDave spills over to discussion of mongering in Medellin. [url]http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-12.e-sex-tourism/[/url]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1506926]Spotlight on butt injecting CubaDave spills over to discussion of mongering in Medellin.

[url]http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-12.e-sex-tourism/[/url][/QUOTE]Your link seems to be broken. This is the one you posted in the Sosua forum:

[url]http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-12-12/news/cuba-dave-sex-tourism/[/url]

[i]"Another gent who's easy to find is Jonesie, who has been the administrator of a message board called Monger Network since 2010. He doesn't have a problem with being called a "monger," because all of the women he does business with are older than 18 and are not being exploited, he says. He then adds that he sleeps with prostitutes as an alternative to North American relationships."

"It's a lifestyle choice," he says. "I respect those who choose other philosophies as long as they respect mine." Though he is the most active member of the 7,000 people who are part of his community, he always publishes under an alias and no photos exist of him online. He asked that his real name not be used in this article.[/i]

Is this our Jonesie, lol? How does it feel to be infamous?

Why are you guys talking to journalist about "this thing of ours"? It's almost akin to a snitch talking to the cops!

We had the exact address of the apartment written down for taxi drivers. The address includes the cross street. There was also a landmark written down but it is something that doesn't currently exist (a tomato field) because at the moment there is no good landmark nearby so only older drivers familiar with the area would recognize it.

My advice stands. It was not to be in Parque Lleras but within easy walking distance of it (5 blocks would be fine). The advice is to be near El Poblado, the street, because it has lots of landmarks and at worse you won't have to walk too far up the hill from it.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1506079]5 blocks up Parque Ileras is almost perfect. The place I rent is 5 blocks as well. My first trip, I stayed on Parque Ileras and it was too noisy. I write down the [B]exact[/B] Address of the edificio (building) and I memorize the closet landmark such a hotel or the street intersection. Makes it easy for Taxi drivers. In some cities, I even take a picture of the front of the building from my phone but I never had to do that in MDE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1506952]Your link seems to be broken. This is the one you posted in the Sosua forum:

[url]http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-12-12/news/cuba-dave-sex-tourism/[/url]

[i]"Another gent who's easy to find is Jonesie, who has been the administrator of a message board called Monger Network since 2010. He doesn't have a problem with being called a "monger," because all of the women he does business with are older than 18 and are not being exploited, he says. He then adds that he sleeps with prostitutes as an alternative to North American relationships."

"It's a lifestyle choice," he says."I respect those who choose other philosophies as long as they respect mine." Though he is the most active member of the 7, 000 people who are part of his community, he always publishes under an alias and no photos exist of him online. He asked that his real name not be used in this article. [/i]

Is this our Jonesie, LOL? How does it feel to be infamous?

Why are you guys talking to journalist about "this thing of ours"? It's almost akin to a snitch talking to the cops![/QUOTE]He is quite an interesting guy to give away so much info. Pretty cool that he's in his 60's and living a healthy lifestyle. Especially the constant sex. I dread the day I turn 40 but I have another few years. I'm not at the point to have the need to pop any pills to keep it going. But I know eventually it might happen. Sounds like his place in Key West is quite the bachelor pad. Trek on Cubadave.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1506952]Your link seems to be broken. This is the one you posted in the Sosua forum:

[url]http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-12-12/news/cuba-dave-sex-tourism/[/url]

[i]"Another gent who's easy to find is Jonesie, who has been the administrator of a message board called Monger Network since 2010. He doesn't have a problem with being called a "monger," because all of the women he does business with are older than 18 and are not being exploited, he says. He then adds that he sleeps with prostitutes as an alternative to North American relationships."

"It's a lifestyle choice," he says."I respect those who choose other philosophies as long as they respect mine." Though he is the most active member of the 7, 000 people who are part of his community, he always publishes under an alias and no photos exist of him online. He asked that his real name not be used in this article. [/i]

Is this our Jonesie, LOL? How does it feel to be infamous?

Why are you guys talking to journalist about "this thing of ours"? It's almost akin to a snitch talking to the cops![/QUOTE]No one was talking to anyone. This is not journalism but cheap trolling. Just another **** sucking envious hating ***** that has never set foot anywhere.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1506697]In other words: "If you are not lining my pockets with cash then go an fuck yourselves. While you're at it, check out my new user thread!"

Noted[/QUOTE]LMAO, I didn't read into that at all, I went to his website. And it said he can help you have a vacation of a life time! If that be the case, then I'm sure a number of guys would and do love his service. Besides he doesn't have a tax on liquor consumed outside of your room LOL [url]http://www.colombiajake.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1505119]What is a "BM"?[/QUOTE]Bowel movement, can happen frequently and unexpectedly after consumption of street food, or too much alcohol consumption

[QUOTE=Razor77;1506986]I dread the day I turn 40 but I have another few years. I'm not at the point to have the need to pop any pills to keep it going. But I know eventually it might happen.[/QUOTE]Would you go with the butt injections and estrogen blockers as well?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1507103]Would you go with the butt injections and estrogen blockers as well?[/QUOTE]I don't think I would get to that level to keep up. At some point you just have to relax and enjoy life without forcing yourself to stay above average.

[QUOTE=Razor77;1506986]I dread the day I turn 40 but I have another few years.[/QUOTE]Yeah, me too! LOL.

Really though, it ain't that bad, just keep in shape and be a cool and happy guy.

Attitude is more than half the battle.

Happy Holidays!

Much of what was written was a case of gossip being pushed into the light, and truth being pushed to the shadows. I printed my answers on my site to protect the content from being twisted. It's still gossip journalism at best.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1506952]Your link seems to be broken. This is the one you posted in the Sosua forum:

[url]http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-12-12/news/cuba-dave-sex-tourism/[/url]

[i]"Another gent who's easy to find is Jonesie, who has been the administrator of a message board called Monger Network since 2010. He doesn't have a problem with being called a "monger," because all of the women he does business with are older than 18 and are not being exploited, he says. He then adds that he sleeps with prostitutes as an alternative to North American relationships."

"It's a lifestyle choice," he says."I respect those who choose other philosophies as long as they respect mine." Though he is the most active member of the 7,000 people who are part of his community, he always publishes under an alias and no photos exist of him online. He asked that his real name not be used in this article.[/i]

Is this our Jonesie, LOL? How does it feel to be infamous?

Why are you guys talking to journalist about "this thing of ours"? It's almost akin to a snitch talking to the cops![/QUOTE]

Review of Joanna.

I picked up Joanna from the bar in the house at 7PM for one hour for 150K. Once we were naked, her pussy warmed up quickly. She was wet and ready to go after abotu 3 minutes of forplay which was great. She has a nice body and good attitude but as soon as we were done she was getting dressed and was out the door. It was a bit quick for my taste and I really didn't feel satisfied.

Review of Linda.

I picked up Linda from the bar in the house for one hour for 150K. Linda was a little shy but friendly. She took about 15 minutes of forplay before her pussy was wet. Once she was ready to go, everything was good. We fucked and had a nice time. As soon as I finished she was getting dressed and was headed out the door. It was OK but it really wasn't satisfying.

Review of 2 other girls.

There were 2 other girls that grabbed for 1 hour each. Each time it was for 150k. I don't remember their names but they are not important. I had very similiar experiences with both of these girls and infact it seems to be the norm for the house girls. 150K for 1 hour. Pretty faces, nice bodies, descent attitude but as soon as the fucking is over the clothes go back on and out the door they go.

Review of Nicole.

Monday night I got Nicole for the whole night with her departing at 8AM for 300K. Nicole was very affectionate which was great. We had sex twice and then went to sleep. Around 6AM I woke up with an errection and let Nicole know that I wanted to have sex again. She said sure, for another 50K. I thought she was joking at first but she was quite serious. I was under the impression that "all night" meant "as much sex as you want" and everyone I talked to seem to agree. For some reason, Nicole was on a different page. After laying there for a while and not sure what to make of the situation, other than the fact that it wasn't going to change, I finally got up around 7AM, went upstairs and had breakfast. Nicole got up around 8AM and left after I paid her the full 300K.

I've come to the conclusion that the house girls are just like the food you find the mini fridges. Over priced for what you get.

I told several of the guests at the Mansion about what happened with Nicole wanting an additional 50K on top of the 300K for TLN and they all agreed that was not right. One of the guests advised me that I needed to let the management know about this so I wrote the following email, and after it you will see their response.

Email I sent:

I'm sorry I did not get a chance to talk to you before I left. I had a disappointing experience with Nicole and I shared it with a couple of the other guys. David suggested that I inform the management. I'm not sure if you are the correct person I should bring this to but I'm sure you will be able to pass it along to the correct person, if needed.

Monday night I got Nicole for the whole night with her departing at 8AM for 300K. Nicole was very affectionate which was great. We had sex twice and then went to sleep. Around 6AM I woke up with an errection and let Nicole know that I wanted to have sex again. She said sure, for another 50K. I thought she was joking at first but she was quite serious. I was under the impression that "all night" meant "as much sex as you want" and everyone I talked to seem to agree. For some reason, Nicole was on a different page. After laying there for a while and not sure what to make of the situation, other than the fact that it wasn't going to change, I finally got up around 7AM, went upstairs and had breakfast. Nicole got up around 8AM and left after I paid her the full 300K.

Their response.

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Hello,

Unfortunately this happens sometimes. Fortunately it happens very little. Unfortunately we can not intervene nor we can do anything about this since legally we only provide you with accommodation. The girls are your companion and whatever deal you do with them is strictly between you two. I know it sounds a bit harsh but for legal reasons we can not intervene in any way with them unless they do anything illegal like steal something or harm a guest or employee.

Regards

[QUOTE=Member #3060; 1507570]I told several of the guests at the Mansion about what happened with Nicole wanting an additional 50K on top of the 300K for TLN and they all agreed that was not right. One of the guests advised me that I needed to let the management know about this so I wrote the following email, and after it you will see their response.

Email I sent:

I'm sorry I did not get a chance to talk to you before I left. I had a disappointing experience with Nicole and I shared it with a couple of the other guys. David suggested that I inform the management. I'm not sure if you are the correct person I should bring this to but I'm sure you will be able to pass it along to the correct person, if needed...[/QUOTE]Good info bro! At least you'll be hurting her business by reporting it up here. Looks like I'll be boycotting or avoiding her and I'll spread this info to my friends and other people I meet.

There's a reason why restaurants and companies want all customers to leave their places happy and with a great experience because of word of mouth. It can either lift or crush someones business in a blink of an eye. Now that I think about it, samething with peoples images in high school LOL.

[QUOTE=Member #3060; 1507569]

There were 2 other girls that grabbed for 1 hour each. Each time it was for 150k. I don't remember their names but they are not important. I had very similiar experiences with both of these girls and infact it seems to be the norm for the house girls. 150K for 1 hour. Pretty faces, nice bodies, descent attitude but as soon as the fucking is over the clothes go back on and out the door they go.

I've come to the conclusion that the house girls are just like the food you find the mini fridges. Over priced for what you get.[/QUOTE]Just like guys say all the time, YMMV.

You paid girls for an hour of fun, it seems like that's what you got, that's the deal.

Hard to actually buy the actual GFE, especially with girls that have been up and down with many guys.

Just becomes repetetive for them.

Now if a girl feels good chemestry with you and generally enjoys your company, she'll stay longer of course, and at times you may even have to ask one to leave cause she doesn't want to.

More and more, over time, I have gotten to the point where I will wait until I have really bonded with a girl before I'll go have fun with them.

I personally enjoy being only with a girl now who enjoys being with me as well.

Some guys like the quantity of girls they're with, and maybe I was like that a while ago, but now I'm much more into quality time over quantity.

Good luck amigo

[QUOTE=Member #3060; 1507569]

I've come to the conclusion that the house girls are just like the food you find the mini fridges. Over priced for what you get.[/QUOTE]I've never been to this place. Does $80 an hour include BBBJ and anal?

[QUOTE=Member #3060; 1507569]

I've come to the conclusion that the house girls are just like the food you find the mini fridges. Over priced for what you get.[/QUOTE]Nice report on your experience with the girls at the Mansion.

You actually handled things well IMO. You could have paid her short and had the Mansion defend you but that would have been confrontational at best and a disaster at worst. I am sure they would have defended you though. If you are going to go to battle over these things it is a lot better to do it at a stripclub or mp than the place where you live. If you battle at the place where you live there are a lot of variables working against you such as not being able to stay there again, police involvement, and the girl knowing where you live.

I had a girl throw water on my computer and call the police. I stood my ground and the police sided with me. The difference was $50. My new keyboard cost $100. I told myself that would never happen again. If I see a girl getting crazy or start crying a lot I just make the situation go away.

My friend told me a story of a guy he knew who argued with a girl over money and she threatened to call the police. After she called the police she took her fingernails and scratched her face. After the police arrived, off to jail he went. He was there for a month. My friend brought bathroom supplies and other basic things to him at the jail.

These girls don't go to training classes and get new hire packets. This is just part of the game. Cut your losses and move on.

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1507641]Just like guys say all the time, YMMV.

Now if a girl feels good chemestry with you and generally enjoys your company, she'll stay longer of course, and at times you may even have to ask one to leave cause she doesn't want to.

More and more, over time, I have gotten to the point where I will wait until I have really bonded with a girl before I'll go have fun with them.

I personally enjoy being only with a girl now who enjoys being with me as well.

Some guys like the quantity of girls they're with, and maybe I was like that a while ago, but now I'm much more into quality time over quantity.

Good luck amigo[/QUOTE]I definitely agree with the above statement. It's nice to go through as many hot girls as possible, but I don't go to MDE to run up the score per say, as fun as that sounds. I enjoy looking for the girl or girls who actually like to hang out and have fun with me, besides the fact that they are paid to do so, but you can't buy 'chemistry' with some of these girls. Ability to speak Spanish, charming / funny personality, decent shape, well groomed, are all obvious characteristics that help in developing great chemistry. And once you find that girl or group of girls that fit. MDE is heaven on earth.

I have taken mansion / fb chicas out to dinner, drinks, and clubs that lasted for a few hours and do the deed afterward. And yes, paying for the extra stuff is not cheap, but the quality time and fun is priceless. And I end up giving them 150K at the end of the night while we partied hard and banged harder. I just need to stop drinking so damn much to a point that affects my performance. These paisas can drink! No joke. But there are those that drink very little or not at all, which has its pros & cons. I do enjoy the occasional 1 hr romp, but if I were just looking for that, then the casas would be the perfect fit. Just hit it and quit it.

To each his own. Whether it's the quickie or actual GFE, MDE has it all.

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1507641]Just like guys say all the time, YMMV.

You paid girls for an hour of fun, it seems like that's what you got, that's the deal.

Hard to actually buy the actual GFE, especially with girls that have been up and down with many guys.

Just becomes repetetive for them.

Now if a girl feels good chemestry with you and generally enjoys your company, she'll stay longer of course, and at times you may even have to ask one to leave cause she doesn't want to.

More and more, over time, I have gotten to the point where I will wait until I have really bonded with a girl before I'll go have fun with them.

I personally enjoy being only with a girl now who enjoys being with me as well.

Some guys like the quantity of girls they're with, and maybe I was like that a while ago, but now I'm much more into quality time over quantity.

Good luck amigo[/QUOTE]Ricker & Rice have it right. Just because you pay a girl does not mean she has to like you.

Let me ask the original poster, the guy with the beef. Did you ask either of the two short timers to stay and chill? Are you able to ask her to stay in spanish? Were you nice to the girls? Did you negotiate hard with the girls and take a firm stance on only paying 150COP? You get what you pay for. Instead of pointing the fingers at the girls how about we ask how did you play the situation?

Have you ever considered maybe it's you? Seriously not trying to insult you but. Are you a creepy dude? Not cool? Cheap? Poor personal hygiene? Anything that would make the girls want to run? Because from the sounds of it the girls do not seem to want to go out of their way to show you a good time. Happens once, ok. Happens twice. Well maybe. A third time? You have to ask if it was something you did with that many bad experiences when normally dudes are just fine.

Judging by the very limited info I have it seems like there is a good chance it is / was you bro. Dude you sent an email to complain that she wanted more money? So instead of handling the situation yourself you did nothing and then went crying to "Dad" about it. What were they going to do? Make her fuck you. Does anybody else see a problem with this?

Granted; that she wanted more money to screw you in the AM. Seems a bit foul but once again that was what was between the two of you. Clearly she thought one thing and you another. By the way you woke her up from a dead sleep and asked for sex. Dude she going to be upset! You should have sorted it out with her right there and then or at the very least in the AM when she was sort of awake.

How does the saying go? When you point a finger there are three more pointing back at you.

Been in Medellin few days now. And it had been a wonderful visit thus far. I'm here with two others, also first timers. We have a wonderful apartment in the El Poblado district. The first night was spent visiting the strip clubs. We hit Liquid Strip, Fase Dos and San Diego.

Liquid Strip had about seven ladies there on Wednesday night. All were at least 8s and 9s. Beautiful women. But none of them danced during the time we were there. The bartender was a doll and chatted us up a bit. The owner / manager, Bill I believe, introduce himself and welcomed us to Medellin. Nice looking club, with a lot of potential. We will likely stop by for the lesbian show on Saturday. We had a couple drinks, and then made our way to Fase Dos.

At Fase Dos. There were many, many girls and the stage was always busy. A few girls stopped by to chat for a few minutes, others for tips after their stage show. The girls were beautiful. They came in all shapes and complexions. We each saw ladies we would like to get to know better. The place was hopping, but we wanted to check out San Diego to see a different vib. We will return to Fase Dos before we leave.

At San Diego, the club was busy. I sat for awhile with a nice spinner, I believe her name was Cristina. It didn't take my friends long to make their way to a session. This club was a bit cozy, and the girls would jump in your lap and quickly try to entice you to go to a room with them. My friends did a session at 150, 000 pesos each, I believe. They were ok with, but not blown away by the girls performances in the room.

Thursday was a work, day but Friday we were up an out. We made our way to Parque Berrio by metro. We did a little sightseeing and then hit New Life. We loved it from the moment the lovely beauties walked out to introduce themselves. Our mouths were wide open which drew giggles from many of the girls. They could tell we were first timers. I selected with Wendy. A nice way to break my Medellin cherry. She made sure to tell me that a BBBJ was available, for a tip of course. I opted for it. 10, 000 additional pesos to the 30 minute session. My friends also had 30 minute sessions and we agreed that New Life is worth repeating.

Total damage for the three of us, including drinks, was 149, 000 pesos.

We plan to make more casa runs over the next few days.

Thanks much to the veterans on the Colombia board for the posts in the threads. The info has made it easy for us to understand the scene.

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777; 1507680]Ricker & Rice have it right. Just because you pay a girl does not mean she has to like you.

Let me ask the original poster, the guy with the beef. Did you ask either of the two short timers to stay and chill? Are you able to ask her to stay in spanish? Were you nice to the girls? Did you negotiate hard with the girls and take a firm stance on only paying 150COP? You get what you pay for. Instead of pointing the fingers at the girls how about we ask how did you play the situation?

Have you ever considered maybe it's you? Seriously not trying to insult you but. Are you a creepy dude? Not cool? Cheap? Poor personal hygiene? Anything that would make the girls want to run? Because from the sounds of it the girls do not seem to want to go out of their way to show you a good time. Happens once, ok. Happens twice. Well maybe. A third time? You have to ask if it was something you did with that many bad experiences when normally dudes are just fine.

Judging by the very limited info I have it seems like there is a good chance it is / was you bro. Dude you sent an email to complain that she wanted more money? So instead of handling the situation yourself you did nothing and then went crying to "Dad" about it. What were they going to do? Make her fuck you. Does anybody else see a problem with this?

Granted; that she wanted more money to screw you in the AM. Seems a bit foul but once again that was what was between the two of you. Clearly she thought one thing and you another. By the way you woke her up from a dead sleep and asked for sex. Dude she going to be upset! You should have sorted it out with her right there and then or at the very least in the AM when she was sort of awake.

How does the saying go? When you point a finger there are three more pointing back at you.[/QUOTE]I agree, it happens once then it's understandable to overlook it. Happens twice and it makes you think. A third time? The problem might not be with the chicas but with you. Again as others stated, we weren't in the room with you and don't know the circumstances but chances are, the chemistry was nowhere to be close. If they connected with you then they would have stuck around and made some small talk. The fact that they did their work and got dressed and left kinda insinuates that they did not connect with you and they were just doing their jobs to earn the money and get out. Same with your TLN chica. Did you talk to her beforehand that the 300k was for all night "INCLUDING MORNING SEX"? Sometimes you need to be upfront and state your intentions and not assume you are paying for a morning romp. If she was also connected to you then I doubt she would have asked for more money as 300k was a lot for an all night date. But again, perhaps she was just not connecting and figured that if she asked for more money then you would back off. As for complaining to the Mansion, they shouldn't regulate how much sex you get for what you pay. They should be the place to supply the girls and that's it. If you paid 300k and you got a BJ and nothing else after being promised an all night romp fest then YES you should mention it. But it's a sex industry not a worker at McDonald's. Chalk this up to a lesson learned. You can pay for sex but you can't buy real emotions. You can buy fake emotions but you better pay for it and expect to realize that it is not the same as the real thing!

[QUOTE=Member #3060; 1507569]Review of Joanna.

I picked up Joanna from the bar in the house at 7PM for one hour for 150K. Once we were naked, her pussy warmed up quickly. She was wet and ready to go after abotu 3 minutes of forplay which was great. She has a nice body and good attitude but as soon as we were done she was getting dressed and was out the door. It was a bit quick for my taste and I really didn't feel satisfied.

Review of Linda.

I picked up Linda from the bar in the house for one hour for 150K. Linda was a little shy but friendly. She took about 15 minutes of forplay before her pussy was wet. Once she was ready to go, everything was good. We fucked and had a nice time. As soon as I finished she was getting dressed and was headed out the door. It was OK but it really wasn't satisfying.

Review of 2 other girls.

There were 2 other girls that grabbed for 1 hour each. Each time it was for 150k. I don't remember their names but they are not important. I had very similiar experiences with both of these girls and infact it seems to be the norm for the house girls. 150K for 1 hour. Pretty faces, nice bodies, descent attitude but as soon as the fucking is over the clothes go back on and out the door they go.

Review of Nicole.

Monday night I got Nicole for the whole night with her departing at 8AM for 300K. Nicole was very affectionate which was great. We had sex twice and then went to sleep. Around 6AM I woke up with an errection and let Nicole know that I wanted to have sex again. She said sure, for another 50K. I thought she was joking at first but she was quite serious. I was under the impression that "all night" meant "as much sex as you want" and everyone I talked to seem to agree. For some reason, Nicole was on a different page. After laying there for a while and not sure what to make of the situation, other than the fact that it wasn't going to change, I finally got up around 7AM, went upstairs and had breakfast. Nicole got up around 8AM and left after I paid her the full 300K.

I've come to the conclusion that the house girls are just like the food you find the mini fridges. Over priced for what you get.[/QUOTE]Mate, no food or drinks in the "mini fridges" or unless that has changed since the 8th October?

A. G.

[QUOTE=YG365; 1507638]Good info bro! At least you'll be hurting her business by reporting it up here. Looks like I'll be boycotting or avoiding her and I'll spread this info to my friends and other people I meet.

There's a reason why restaurants and companies want all customers to leave their places happy and with a great experience because of word of mouth. It can either lift or crush someones business in a blink of an eye. Now that I think about it, samething with peoples images in high school LOL.[/QUOTE]Agree completely. Confrontations and arguments in the room never lead to anything good. And the risk of this kind of thing is the cost of doing business. You just need to get better at screening them in the first place.

The best thing is to quietly tell the other guys, post it here (especially with a picture) and tell / email the manager later.

I don't know why they do it. Women, with all their texting and facebooking, should know that word about anything gets around fast. A one time short-term benefit is not worth the long term loss in business. Well, I guess if they were smarter they wouldn't be punting.

BTW, as a drastic change of topic: Has anyone ever had a session with the MILF that gives massages in the Mansion? Just curious.

She gives you your money's worth, that's for sure. Make sure you discuss with her what is it that you want before service begins. Her massages are extremely hard, but her extras are worth the price of admission. A much better value for the service you receive than from the more youthful, greedy, Mansion girls, IMHO.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1507829]BTW, as a drastic change of topic: Has anyone ever had a session with the MILF that gives massages in the Mansion? Just curious.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manny51;1507829]The best thing is to quietly tell the other guys, post it here (especially with a picture) and tell / email the manager later.[/QUOTE]I agree, but these reviews get buried over time. Too bad there isn't a thread dedicated to rating these chicas so the information would be in a central repository.

In regards to #3060's experience, I think there are a couple worthwhile points:

1st, general principle of mongering . Don't commit to an overnight session with a Chica unless you've already been with her and know that you are somewhat compatible. You could make this decision as soon as your initial short-time session finishes. Hell, some chicas you don't want in your room all night. They may snore, fart, or just talk on the phone all night. You may decide to pay them to get them to leave!

FWIW, I've never paid significantly more for a Mansion chica to stay O / N with me. 3060 essentially doubled her fee to give her a nice bed to sleep in for the night.

2nd, anyone that has read this forum should know that the Mansion (Plaza I) is not a *****house per se. The chicas don't work for the Mansion. It's essentially a Bed and Breakfast that freelancers hang out at. The House has no say in what you pay the girl or what goes on between the two of you. As Greg pointed out, that would be illegal.

As others have suggested, telling the other Mansion guests about chicas' bad behavior is the best thing you can do. If they want to continue getting "clients," that will get the message through loud and clear.

This mf'er wrote to the better business bureau about a prepago! Wow, awesome.

I agree she was out of pocket asking for more but if you were really horny and she got you going, what is another $25? I would have promptly made a call based on my level of excitement and the level of her service. I would not have run to principal Skinner.

[QUOTE=Combo; 1507874]. I've never paid significantly more for a Mansion chica to stay O / N with me. 3060 essentially doubled her fee to give her a nice bed to sleep in for the night.[/QUOTE]Great point Combo LOL, and as You pointed out as well, good rule not to overnight with a chica unless there's some established good repore already.

[QUOTE=Member #3060;1507570]I told several of the guests at the Mansion about what happened with Nicole wanting an additional 50K on top of the 300K for TLN and they all agreed that was not right.[/QUOTE]Is there a pic of this Nicole so mongers will know who she is?

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt; 1507920]This mf'er wrote to the better business bureau about a prepago! Wow, awesome.

I agree she was out of pocket asking for more but if you were really horny and she got you going, what is another $25? I would have promptly made a call based on my level of excitement and the level of her service. I would not have run to principal Skinner.[/QUOTE]Ahahah! Principal Skinner! Love the Simpsons!

Guys there is right and wrong on both sides of this story but look how it adds up. 4 short timers and 1 TLN and this guy was "unsatisfied" by all 5? Don't blame the girls or give them all the blame. You know what I mean?

This Nichole or what ever her name was (TLN chica) was this bad and is she was asking for extra money with every time we would have heard of this before and they yes her name should be mud. Coming form Mr. 0-5, it should be taken with a grain of salt.

How come nobody else has complained? Was this her very first TLN? What was his behavior and attitude? Just because a "jerk" (not calling OG poster a jerk) pays for TLN does not mean a GFE is included. Time frame and multiple pops is what is implied but if not specifically asked for or stated you open the door for this sort of confusion or misunderstanding.

It's easy to be all Rainbows and Roses when thing are going well but to see the true measure of a man let's see how he handles adversity. IMO dude played it poorly from the start. He should have been clear what he wanted and for how long. His expectations were not her reality. Clearly there was a misunderstanding and most guys here want to jump down the chicas neck for her "poor service" because we all want the best value for our dollar and we're on this side of the condom but like it was said before we were not there. With the limited knowledge available, what was not said before about TLN chica, and what dude wrote (paints a picture) we can gleam the truth which usually falls some place in the middle.

Let's hope dude has a better time and reports back with more glowing stories of success vs middle of the road failure. How do you think dude feels? He paid girls to fuck him and they all couldn't wait to leave! LOL! I'm just saying!

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1507829]Agree completely. Confrontations and arguments in the room never lead to anything good. And the risk of this kind of thing is the cost of doing business. You just need to get better at screening them in the first place.

The best thing is to quietly tell the other guys, post it here (especially with a picture) and tell / email the manager later.

I don't know why they do it. Women, with all their texting and facebooking, should know that word about anything gets around fast. A one time short-term benefit is not worth the long term loss in business. Well, I guess if they were smarter they wouldn't be punting.

BTW, as a drastic change of topic: Has anyone ever had a session with the MILF that gives massages in the Mansion? Just curious.[/QUOTE]Her name is Olga. Great Massages. Good happy endings, nice body and good energy as well. I never stayed at the mansion but, I got her number and she came to my apt.

More pops, more time and less opportunity. You're going to pay 50% more to double for TLN vs short time generally, unless it's someone whom you know well that likes hanging out or generally doesn't watch the clock at all (even then I think a small bonus is good form). But if you're squaring it away with money and terms, yeah, you're going to pay more.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1507643]I've never been to this place. Does $80 an hour include BBBJ and anal?[/QUOTE]No, it's a BBBJ and straight sex. Often times the girl will want to cover you for the blow job. If you want it bare back you need to negotiate that up front.

I hope you've brushed up on your Spanish. They will take your gringo dollars but not your gringo words.

[quote=aussie greg; 1507813]mate, no food or drinks in the "mini fridges" or unless that has changed since the 8th october?

a. g.[/quote]it's a figure of speech, greg. it's funny that you know the fridges are empty. i never even looked. lol

[QUOTE=Combo; 1507874]In regards to #3060's experience, I think there are a couple worthwhile points:

1st, general principle of mongering. Don't commit to an overnight session with a Chica unless you've already been with her and know that you are somewhat compatible. You could make this decision as soon as your initial short-time session finishes. Hell, some chicas you don't want in your room all night. They may snore, fart, or just talk on the phone all night. You may decide to pay them to get them to leave!

As others have suggested, telling the other Mansion guests about chicas' bad behavior is the best thing you can do. If they want to continue getting "clients," that will get the message through loud and clear.[/QUOTE]Personally, I have never understood why people like TLN. I definitely like places where the 2 hour block is understood, where time isn't an issue. But overnight? I don't want them in the room when I turn in for the night, with access to all my stuff. I just don't get it.

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777; 1507680]Ricker & Rice have it right. Just because you pay a girl does not mean she has to like you.

Let me ask the original poster, the guy with the beef. Did you ask either of the two short timers to stay and chill? Are you able to ask her to stay in spanish? Were you nice to the girls? Did you negotiate hard with the girls and take a firm stance on only paying 150COP? You get what you pay for. Instead of pointing the fingers at the girls how about we ask how did you play the situation?

Have you ever considered maybe it's you? Seriously not trying to insult you but. Are you a creepy dude? Not cool? Cheap? Poor personal hygiene? Anything that would make the girls want to run? Because from the sounds of it the girls do not seem to want to go out of their way to show you a good time. Happens once, ok. Happens twice. Well maybe. A third time? You have to ask if it was something you did with that many bad experiences when normally dudes are just fine...[/QUOTE]Slamcity 7777,

You have a lot of good questions. Questions I asked myself this week.

What type of report did I establish with the girls before hand? I did spend some time talking or trying to talk to them in the bar or outside at the table. My Spanish is crap and maybe this was a bigger issue that I realized. Maybe it was a weakness the girls exploited. I've been in other locations where I don't speak the language and was treated better.

Did I negotiate hard? No. They asked for 150K and I gave it to them with no questions, stipulations or strings attached. I figured if I gave them what they wanted, they would give me what I wanted. I'm not going to nickel and dime these women over a couple of bucks.

Am I creepy, un-cool? I'm bald with a mustache and goatee. I'm sure some of them think I'm creepy. I am religious when it comes to hygiene. I believe in showering before and after a session (hell I shower before I begin a hunt). Lots of soap and water and really scrubbing all those nooks and crannies where the sun doesn't shine. I know how much of a turn off a funky broad is and I don't want to be the "stinky" guy. Tooth paste, mouth wash, gum, deodorant. The whole nine yards. No cologne. I've seen too many guys over dose on it. I just want to smell clean, like soap.

How did I wake her up and ask for sex? You mean did I stand over her and bi1ch slap her with my magnificent 6" of wonder meat while leaving tiny shroom shaped bruises on both of her cheeks and forehead? No. I asked her the same way you ask anyone. 15 minutes of gentle caressing of the back, her ass and thighs before actually saying anything. And it wasn't that she wasn't up for sex and pushed me away, she just wanted more money. I guess in her mind 300K wasn't enough for 3 pops.

As far as "crying to dad" about this, that brings up a really good point. How involved with girls is the Mansion? I honestly don't know. I've heard there is a schedule to even out the flow of girls so they all don't show up one night and then leave the place empty for 3 days straight. I was told by other patrons that the 150K for one hour and 300K for TLN was a rate that was set by the house. I never saw a written set of rules. I assumed that the girls were just freelancers who were allowed to come to the house. If you read the email I sent the house you'll see that I didn't ask them for anything. Honestly, I felt weird doing it and wasn't sure what kind of response I would get. I've never filed a complaint at a house of ill repute. My original plan was to just post here about my experiences but one of the house patrons who seemed to be a veteran there and knew more about how the place was run suggested that I tell the management so I did.

The typical wage in Medellin for an office girl say someone who is in administration, reception or secretarial is about $500 USD a month. If you are a professional, say an engineer or in the IT field, you're probably making about $1400 USD a month. Nicole made $150 USD in one night (most of which was sleeping) with no professional training or advanced education. I think these girls a paid very well (considering the location) for what they do. One might even argue they are paid a bit on the high side. I don't mind paying a premium rate, but it should come with premium service. I know you can't buy love. What these girls do (all pay for play girls) is an act, a performance. I just wish that the performance was better.

This is a scouting mission for me. I have never been to Colombia before and I am learning the "lay of the land" and how things are done here. So far, I've had some bad experiences with the girls at the house in Medellin and I'm just posting my experiences here.

Ana and Paula Review.

Not all my experiences at the Mansion were bad. I did have an awesomw experience with Ana and

Paula. These two girls are bi-sexual and VERY sexual. I don't know if they always come

Together but if you have the chance to do them at the same time I highly recommend it.

I'll start by saying these girls are not the cutest girls in the house. Actually as far as

Looks go they are on the lower end of the scale. They look out of place when compared to the

Other girls at the house. Ana is cute. She has that innocent "girl next door" look. Paula is

A sweet heart who loves to fuck but she looks like the chubby little girl you always look past.

They came highly recommended by another patron who had a 4 way with them. Yes. 2 dudes and 2

Gals.

We agreed on 150 each for 1 hour plus 20K for taxi. So that's 320K for 2 girls for one hour.

When we go in the room everyone got naked and there seemed to be an immediate interest from all

Parties. We stood in a little 3 way circle kissing, fondling and stroking each other. When I

Couldn't take it any more I had Paula lay on her back and spread her legs and told Ana to eat

Her out. She did so with great abandon. Ana's lips and tongue were completely buried in

Paula's snatch. Not this bullshit licking lightly on the sides. Paula was writhing with

Pleasure. She was thoroughly enjoying it, as was Ana. At this point I pulled out my camera and

Asked if it was OK to take pictures. They agreed with no hesitation or attempt to up charge. I

Snapped several photos as I watched Ana work on Paula. At some point I set the still camera

Down and reached for the HD camcorder and asked if video was OK. Again they agreed with no

Hesitation.

I had Ana get up on all fours and spread her legs while she continued to eat Paula. With her

Legs spread I slowly began to fondle and then finger fuck Ana. Her pussy is small and tight.

After a bit of this I pulled Ana off of Paula and mounted her missionary position. But before

Doing so I had Ana take the camera and asked her to shoot action below. She took the camera and

Did exactly as I asked.

I finished in Paula and we all rested for a bit. 3 of us in bed, lying there stroking each

Other and talking. Ana's English is passable so it wasn't that awkward. After about 30

Minutes I was ready to go again. This time I pounded Ana and had Paula do the cinematography.

She did a great job as we flipped through several positions. Finally I came inside Ana and

Again we rested.

I felt pretty satisfied this time and made a comment about it's time to go. Ana gets up to take

A shower and leaves Paula on and me on the bed. Paula continues to stroke my thigh as we are

Waiting and sure enough a 3rd woody pops up. I look at Paula and I ask her if she wants to

Fuck again. Yes she says. I roll her over and start pounding her. She is loving it. I'm

Watching her eyes roll up in the back of her head. I few times I look at her ask if she's OK

And she gasps back yes, harder, don't stop. I'm scared now. I just blew two loads and now I'm

Going for number 3 in the course of 2 hours. I've got the erection but I'm not sure if I can

Finish.

Then Ana comes out of the shower wrapped in a towel. I see her in the mirror. She just stands

There with a smile on her face as I fuck her friend. After a minute she drops the towel and

Starts to finger herself while she watches the two of us. This gives me new inspiration and I

Drive on to the finish line with Paula gasping and screaming below me. (yes screaming. The 2

Patrons in the kitchen above us heard everything)

After 3 shots and about 2 hours I'm completely drained and satisfied. This is what I was

Looking for. No clock watching, no complaining, very compliant, smiles on their faces the

Entire time. I ended up giving them a nice fat tip of 80K. Each girl left the room with 200K

And I was happy to pay it. Freaky 3 way sex with 2 girls for 2 hours and video for $200 USD.

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Thanks to everyone who replied and put their 2 cents in. The positive as well as the negative.

I've been questioning myself a lot since Medellin. Why was I not satisfied? Was I or am I

Out of line? What are others doing that I'm not?

And please understand what I'm saying. The sessions were not "bad" (well except for Nicole.

That just pissed me off) I was just expecting a higher level of service for the money.

One of the other patrons seemed to have a good strategy. He would go to the casa's during the

Day and fuck his brains out on cheap pussy. Then in the evening he may take a Mansion girl but

He was usually too spent to do so.

I'm not perfect and I make mistakes. Taking Nicole for TLN the first time was me grasping at

Straws. I had a couple of experiences that left me feeling cold and I was trying a different

Strategy hoping that by spending the night with her that maybe I'd feel more "satisfied". The

Strange this is that Nicole was very affectionate. She offered me a massage before sex and was

Very hands on during the first 2 pops. I thought I had hit a home run until morning.

The common theme I keep seeing in the replies is "be very specific and clear and negotiate

Everything upfront, and do so in Spanish". Maybe this is my Achilles heel since I'm not

Conversational in Spanish. Speaking the language seems to be more important here than in any

Of the other locations I've visited.

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I just had Nicol over to the apt, She stayed over two and a half hours, I thought she did incredibly good work! I only paid her 100k and cab fare.

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1508061]I just had Nicol over to the apt, She stayed over two and a half hours, I thought she did incredibly good work! I only paid her 100k and cab fare.[/QUOTE]A bit more info comes to light and the legs on my theory firm up a bit. Hmmmm.

Don't tell Principal Skinner over at the Mansion that Nicol visited you in a Apt. Wouldn't want to get the girl into more trouble! LOL!

[QUOTE=Manny51;1508027]Personally, I have never understood why people like TLN. I definitely like places where the 2 hour block is understood, where time isn't an issue. But overnight? I don't want them in the room when I turn in for the night, with access to all my stuff. I just don't get it.[/QUOTE]I think two pops in two hours is on the rushed side. I will also get 3-4 in in a TLN session. That said, I will only take a girl who really excites me and whose company I can not only tolerate but enjoy in between pops.

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1508061]I just had Nicol over to the apt, She stayed over two and a half hours, I thought she did incredibly good work! I only paid her 100k and cab fare.[/QUOTE]Maybe you bathed beforehand and member #3060 didn't.

Seriously, a few times I've paid girls less than the standard 150k at the Mansion and had good service.

I anymore negotiate a bare back BBBJ because if she don't like, she will give you a bad BBBJ. Usually I change girl.

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1508061]I just had Nicol over to the apt, She stayed over two and a half hours, I thought she did incredibly good work! I only paid her 100k and cab fare.[/QUOTE]So much for outing a chica on ISG and it affecting her business, LOL. Sounds like she does good work.

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1508061]I just had Nicol over to the apt, She stayed over two and a half hours, I thought she did incredibly good work! I only paid her 100k and cab fare.[/QUOTE]I had her over probably a couple of hours before you did. She stayed 3hrs and I only paid 80k and no cab fare. Small world!

Anyone know if Wendy still comes to the mansion? I noticed her Facebook page is back up. If so what is the best way to connect once I arrive at the airport? I do have a Columbia cell number if that is one way or is she most of the time at the Mansion?

[QUOTE=Member #3060; 1508031]

This is a scouting mission for me. I have never been to Colombia before and I am learning the "lay of the land" and how things are done here. So far, I've had some bad experiences with the girls at the house in Medellin and I'm just posting my experiences here.[/QUOTE]That was a nice post Señor 3060.

From your description it's clear that you're not a smelly, greasy, grimy guy, and it appears that you're also not a creepy, over- cheap charlie type either.

What happened with you and the girls at the Mansion (plaza) is really more common with the typical gringo client than most guys will admit, especially with new, less experienced guys and even more especially with the non spanish speaker.

These girls are obviously looking to make their pesos, and they will be nice and pleasant and sexy with you.

That is of course how they market themselves, but when the deed is done, they'll want to split and possibly make more money, or just go about with their lives.

You can't expect to make a real connection or build chemestry with a girl unless you can really talk to them besides the basic spanish, and you can't really blame a chica for wanting to split after the deed.

What is she supposed to do after the sex if you can't even really have a conversation with her, and have nothing in common besides the fact that you like to have sex wih her?

All of this holds even more true at the Mansion where most of the girls are regulars and have met and been with plenty of gringos, with the majority of gringos being basic spanish at best.

The Mansion (plaza) is a great place to stay and meet and have fun with sexy girls, but mix it up with meeting other girls too from other venues, both PFP and not.

Also, the further you get away from the gringo crowd, the more enamored a girl will be just with your 'foreigner' status, though this isn't that easy in Medellin anymore.

So, as it's been said so many times, learn spanish, the more the better.

Guys that don't speak spanish, don't even realize the exponentially more enjoyment they could have if they spoke.

Good luck out there!

I had a great time with these two girls from the Mansion. I highly recommend them.

I know I am not the only person interested in avoiding her at all costs. Remember, in this forum, there are many CSAH (Captain Save a Hoe) types who will tell her that she is being trashed here. With a picture, even if she decides to change her alias, she can't avoid her looks. So, if you did take a picture, please enlighten us.

[QUOTE=Member #3060;1508216]I had a great time with these two girls from the Mansion. I highly recommend them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Member #3060; 1508058]Thanks to everyone who replied and put their 2 cents in. The positive as well as the negative.

I've been questioning myself a lot since Medellin. Why was I not satisfied? Was I or am I

Out of line? What are others doing that I'm not?

And please understand what I'm saying. The sessions were not "bad" (well except for Nicole.

That just pissed me off) I was just expecting a higher level of service for the money.

One of the other patrons seemed to have a good strategy. He would go to the casa's during the

Day and fuck his brains out on cheap pussy. Then in the evening he may take a Mansion girl but

He was usually too spent to do so.

I'm not perfect and I make mistakes. Taking Nicole for TLN the first time was me grasping at

Straws. I had a couple of experiences that left me feeling cold and I was trying a different

Strategy hoping that by spending the night with her that maybe I'd feel more "satisfied". The

Strange this is that Nicole was very affectionate. She offered me a massage before sex and was

Very hands on during the first 2 pops. I thought I had hit a home run until morning.

The common theme I keep seeing in the replies is "be very specific and clear and negotiate

Everything upfront, and do so in Spanish". Maybe this is my Achilles heel since I'm not

Conversational in Spanish. Speaking the language seems to be more important here than in any

Of the other locations I've visited.[/QUOTE]Not being able to engage the women in conversation is a pretty big drawback when you are shooting for something higher than a casa experience. If I were you, I'd try the direct approach. Instead of just taking a chick up to your room and getting down to business immediately, how about just trying to make out with her for a good 10 to 15 mins. With her clothes still on. If she is unwilling to do that or she sucks at it give her a tip and let her go. Then move on to the next one until you find a keeper.

[QUOTE=Member #3060;1508216]I had a great time with these two girls from the Mansion. I highly recommend them.[/QUOTE]Those girls hang out a lot at Liquid for those not staying at the Mansion. Paola has a facebook account as well. Not sure about her friend. They are not the best looking of girls, but they seem to be very enthusiastic. Paola has gained a lot of weight in the last year. Here's a pic of her a year ago.

A few days ago I did a casa run in El Centro. Started off near Barcelona. I stopped in few other places and then made my way to The Paris Club.

At The Paris Club, I met Jonesie. He had already seen the lineup and had picked a girl. After viewing the lineup I chose Luisa.

Luisa has a pretty face and a nice, thin body. Paid 35k for half hour + 20k BBBJ. Luisa started off by giving a nice slow BBBJ for about 8 minutes. She then hopped on top and we had slow, connected sex. I then switched to mish for a little bit and finished in doggie. After taking a shower I kissed her on the cheek and met up with Jonesie. Overall a pleasant session and I left satisfied.

Jonesie took a girl named Vanessa. I could sense pre-session that Vanessa was a winner and I would have taken her if Jonesie had not and I told him this before our session. After his session he reported that she was phenomenal. No surprise.

Afterward, we ran into Boyd and he reported that there were hot, new girls at both Latinas and New Life. I put that info in the back of my mind for another day.

Today I made another casa run. Before I left my apartment I tried to call The Paris Club to reserve Vanessa. Phone rang endlessly.

I took off for The Paris Club. I arrived to find out that the phone number had changed (new ph. 511-0870) and Vanessa was not working.

I walked over to Latinas. Only 2 girls and one was occupied. Went to Carity and only one girl.

I decided to stop by New Life. I normally skip New Life and was reminded why today. This place has the feel of a professional mp which is a turnoff for me. IMO New Life is the only Centro mp I get this type of service from. Everything seems hurried in this place. About 10 guys in the waiting room and 15 girls in the lineup. After the lineup passed through I hung out for 30 minutes to decompress and see what else would pop out of the rooms. I attempted to talk with a girl name Lisette. Lisette is pretty and has gorgeous long legs. She spoke a decent amount of English. She said that she had worked there for 8 months. Lots of red flags but I pressed on. I told her that I was tired and wanted a good BJ before sex. She replied BJ was extra. I told her,"no thanks", and I walked out.

I headed over to Aiffe. 5 girls in the lineup. I picked Jimena and connected with her immediately. Jimena has a cute face and nice tits which fit her body nicely. I told her that I wanted half of the session BBBJ and half sex which she replied,"no problema". She has only worked there for a week and works part-time valet parking at a restaurant in El Poblado.

Jimena started by giving me a great BBBJ for 30 minutes. Jimena was horny and everything was building and getting hotter. After BBBJ but before sex and in mish, she rubbed my dick bareback on her clit for 2 minutes. After this we started in mish which she rode me from underneath. This is rare to experience but not unseen. After mish I finished in doggie. Jimena was the best sex I have had in the MP's this trip. Jimena is a tiger in the sack. Everything was great and nothing could have been better. I highly recommend Jimena but YMMV.

VJ

[quote=member #3060; 1508045]ana and paula review.

not all my experiences at the mansion were bad. i did have an awesomw experience with ana and

paula. each girl left the room with 200k

and i was happy to pay it. freaky 3 way sex with 2 girls for 2 hours and video for $200 usd.[/quote]there you go. a great session. you appreciate these sessions when you are going through a less than great run.

i had a bi-sexual girlfriend in the states and have had working girl threesomes and alot depends on the sexual chemistry between the girls. as you saw, these girls really liked each other and it made a huge difference.

you mentioned of laying around with the girls in the bed after sex and i wanted to mention something about that. for you guys who have bareback sex, it is important to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url] immediately after sex. this lowers the risk of bacteria from entering your system.

good luck to you all.

[QUOTE=Vlg55;1508198]Anyone know if Wendy still comes to the mansion? I noticed her Facebook page is back up. If so what is the best way to connect once I arrive at the airport? I do have a Columbia cell number if that is one way or is she most of the time at the Mansion?[/QUOTE]The best way to contact her is Facebook. She won't likely be floating around the Mansion / Plaza unless she already has an appointment.

[quote=vegas jeff; 1508369]for you guys who have bareback sex, it is important to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url] immediately after sex. this lowers the risk of bacteria from entering your system.

good luck to you all.[/quote]no discredit to vegas jeff, but i believe this is a medical myth. it is mostly in relation to women [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] after sex to prevent a urinary tract infection or becoming pregnant. both are myths. the part about guys peeing after sex is an old soldier's story about not getting the clap.

just for the record, it is also a myth that if you blow your load in a chick while she is on her period she will not get pregnant.

[quote=savepros321; 1508459]no discredit to vegas jeff, but i believe this is a medical myth. it is mostly in relation to women [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] after sex to prevent a urinary tract infection or becoming pregnant. both are myths. the part about guys peeing after sex is an old soldier's story about not getting the clap.

just for the record, it is also a myth that if you blow your load in a chick while she is on her period she will not get pregnant.[/quote]from colombia university health and related services:

http://www.thebody.com********aids/safesex/q138692.html?ic=4003

1: "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] after sex will yield different results for men and women since men and women's genitals are anatomically different. the urethra in men serves the dual purpose of peeing and ejaculation, so there is essentially one opening. in women, since the urethral opening is separate from the vaginal opening, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] may help prevent utis but will not prevent vaginal infections.

i'm not sure how well-documented this theory or "peeing as prevention" is. peeing after sex surely can't hurt (if it does, you might have an infection!). it can help remove unwanted organisms from the urethra, which may reduce the risk of urethral infections. however, you should not rely upon this as a method of disease prevention, since condoms will be much more effective and are proven to work"

2: "it's a common misconception that if a woman has sex during her period she cannot become pregnant. while a woman is unlikely to get pregnant during her period, it is absolutely possible"

[QUOTE=Member #3060;1508216]I had a great time with these two girls from the Mansion. I highly recommend them.[/QUOTE]Is this about the level of the talent at the Mansion?

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1508459]No discredit to Vegas Jeff, but I believe this is a medical myth. [/QUOTE]I don't ride without a helmet, but good luck to those that roll the dice.

I do the same because of the same feeling.

[QUOTE=Vegas Jeff; 1508343]I normally skip New Life and was reminded why today. This place has the feel of a professional mp which is a turnoff for me. IMO New Life is the only Centro mp I get this type of service from. Everything seems hurried in this place.

VJ[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1508605]I don't ride without a helmet, but good luck to those that roll the dice.[/QUOTE]And keep in mind that it is the same circle of guys (some are carriers) fucking the same small group of girls (who may already be or become carriers). Just think of a Petri dish, hahaha.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1508596]Is this about the level of the talent at the Mansion?[/QUOTE]NO. That is about as close to the bottom in the looks that as I have seen personally. But apparently they get high marks in the bedroom.

Plenty of chicks at the Mansion are better looking than the chick in the pic but none are better in bed IMHO. I've banged her up to 4 times in a TLN and she is just an all around great fuck. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Cali Hentai; 1508656]I've banged her up to 4 times in a TLN and she is just an all around great fuck. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about Paola or Angie?

[QUOTE=Almotu;1508675]Are you talking about Paola or Angie?[/QUOTE]Angie the chick in the pic I posted. Could be there are guys out there that have had very different experiences with the same women. The guys themselves are at least half the equation. The only thing that can be gleaned on a forum is whether or not a chick is absolutely incapable of giving good service and if she can give good service what are the odds you will be getting the royal treatment. jajaja

The big problem with guys critiquing the women is that the women are not robots that perform exactly the same with all guys and the expectations of some guys are quite higher than others. I firmly believe there are guys out there that have a hard time really determining the difference between average and great sex. For some it is she did what I said and my dick got wet so it was good. For others they want and expect some kind of spontaneous passionate exchange.

[quote=ricker; 1508595]from colombia university health and related services:

[url]http://www.thebody.com[/url]*aids / safesex / q138692. html? ic=4003.

1: "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] after sex will yield different results for men and women since men and women's genitals are anatomically different. the urethra in men serves the dual purpose of peeing and ejaculation, so there is essentially one opening. in women, since the urethral opening is separate from the vaginal opening, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] may help prevent utis but will not prevent vaginal infections.

i'm not sure how well-documented this theory or "peeing as prevention" is. peeing after sex surely can't hurt (if it does, you might have an infection!). it can help remove unwanted organisms from the urethra, which may reduce the risk of urethral infections. however, you should not rely upon this as a method of disease prevention, since condoms will be much more effective and are proven to work"

2: "it's a common misconception that if a woman has sex during her period she cannot become pregnant. while a woman is unlikely to get pregnant during her period, it is absolutely possible"[/quote]i think once you're no longer erect it's a good idea to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url]. if you pulled out, it's almost essential, but even if you came inside it's wise. now, i am not like the former south african minister of health who said he wouldn't catch aids because he washed his dick after sex, but i do think this is useful for preventing more common and less serious things like utis.

you know what i find funny? for me (and i'd guess most men) , post-coital pisses are kind of labored and unsatisfying, as well as tough to aim. but for a woman, if her made her cum hard, it's like this satisfying torrent of golden bliss.

[quote=wiltthestilt; 1508688]i think once you're no longer erect it's a good idea to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url]. if you pulled out, it's almost essential, but even if you came inside it's wise. now, i am not like the former south african minister of health who said he wouldn't catch aids because he washed his dick after sex, but i do think this is useful for preventing more common and less serious things like utis.

you know what i find funny? for me (and i'd guess most men) , post-coital pisses are kind of labored and unsatisfying, as well as tough to aim. but for a woman, if her made her cum hard, it's like this satisfying torrent of golden bliss.[/quote]pissing after barebacking has been around since i was fucking babes in the early 70's. but back then sharing a smoke (during afterglow) was more important then getting up and taking a hard leak.

this is my guess on the issue. if you're bb fucking for more then 20 minutes it's probably too late but if it's a quick in and out then you have a chance to clean the pipes of any problems moving up the system.

that's how i see it. so if you want to use this protection method drink plenty of water or beer and hour before fucking.

When is that Flower thing again? Is it cool?

Blue Flowers Pacero2!

LMK!

Some of you guys make me laugh. The bottom line with BBFS is that you take the risk. All the little things you do is just an assumption of working. Sure, BBFS is always better than using a cover but, you still take a risk. These girls spread eagle for any guy with pesos. So you know they get around. It's their business that they do so well. They aren't required to get checkups and to verify they are clean like other countries. So long story short, to each their own. Take the risk or don't. It's your health. But in the end, just have fun.

I'm at the Mansion right now and the talent is very weak. If things don't pick up, I'll be hanging out at Fase II and the casas alot.

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QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1508596]Is this about the level of the talent at the Mansion?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Razor77;1508747]Some of you guys make me laugh. The bottom line with BBFS is that you take the risk. All the little things you do is just an assumption of working. Sure, BBFS is always better than using a cover but, you still take a risk. These girls spread eagle for any guy with pesos. So you know they get around. It's their business that they do so well. They aren't required to get checkups and to verify they are clean like other countries. So long story short, to each their own. Take the risk or don't. It's your health. But in the end, just have fun.[/QUOTE]I agree. Of course, there are always maneuvers that you can perform, like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] after sex, which MAY help prevent ascending infections. However, the best way to think of it is as follows:

Whenever you have sex with a woman, you have an X% change of contracting an STD. Going bareback increases that percentage, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] after sex may help lower that percentage, but ultimately, no prevention is foolproof. Some things, like going to a venue where the girls are tested or screened, will also lower that percentage.

But no matter what modifiers you use, the percentage is NEVER zero. If you want to enjoy the hobby, this is a fact that you need to accept. If you go bareback because of the better experience, then fine. I understand. Really. But if you contract something, you have no one to blame but yourself.

On the other topic of the last few days, at the Mansion, what you are paying for is the guarantee of a baseline level of satisfactory service, as well as a generous, roughly 2 hour window for the first pop. Yes, you can maybe find better looking women elsewhere. But finding that woman will be a hit and miss process. If you want to go to a casa, then be prepared for a strict 30 minute clock, after which the bill goes up. Personally, I prefer the Mansion model.

[QUOTE=Combo;1508754]I'm at the Mansion right now and the talent is very weak. If things don't pick up, I'll be hanging out at Fase II and the casas alot.[/QUOTE]It's Monday bro, LOL! Things usually don't pick up there until at least Thursday.

Fase Dos maybe dead until Wed or Thursday night also.

Did any of the Mansion staff offer to find you a chica (s)? Boyd (owner of HMP 2) will always do this for his guests, but I do not believe he is in Medellin right now.

[QUOTE=Razor77;1508747]Some of you guys make me laugh. The bottom line with BBFS is that you take the risk. All the little things you do is just an assumption of working. Sure, BBFS is always better than using a cover but, you still take a risk. These girls spread eagle for any guy with pesos. So you know they get around. It's their business that they do so well. They aren't required to get checkups and to verify they are clean like other countries. So long story short, to each their own. Take the risk or don't. It's your health. But in the end, just have fun.[/QUOTE]Most definitely you are taking the risk, no argument there. I'm just stating a preference, not a preventive measure.

One minor thing, you would be surprised to learn that at some places the girls are required to submit exams monthly or bi-monthly. I learned this while dating a girl who had worked at Aiffe. I thought she was full of shit-that is not a high rent pace. 35K pesos a pop-but she confirmed it and so did another girl I took out from there. They get fined for not doing it and the girls are very gossipy with the clients about someone who doesn't do it. Other places I have heard girls claim this as well, but I cannot tell you where it is or is not accurate.

In my opinion, if you are going to bareback you should keep it with regulars, make sure they are very hygienic and go get tested together for the major stuff. Barebacking all over town, honestly you will probably not get AIDS or anything but you will definitely be dealing with stuff like UTIs, chlamydia, etc on a somewhat regular basis.

[quote=wiltthestilt; 1508820]most definitely you are taking the risk, no argument there. i'm just stating a preference, not a preventive measure.

one minor thing, you would be surprised to learn that at some places the girls are required to submit exams monthly or bi-monthly. i learned this while dating a girl who had worked at aiffe. i thought she was full of shit-that is not a high rent pace. 35k pesos a pop-but she confirmed it and so did another girl i took out from there. they get fined for not doing it and the girls are very gossipy with the clients about someone who doesn't do it. other places i have heard girls claim this as well, but i cannot tell you where it is or is not accurate.

in my opinion, if you are going to bareback you should keep it with regulars, make sure they are very hygienic and go get tested together for the major stuff. barebacking all over town, honestly you will probably not get aids or anything but you will definitely be dealing with stuff like utis, chlamydia, etc on a somewhat regular basis.[/quote]geez, i took everyones advice about peeing after sex, and now i'm pissing razor blades!

[QUOTE=Combo; 1508754]I'm at the Mansion right now and the talent is very weak. If things don't pick up, I'll be hanging out at Fase II and the casas a lot.[/QUOTE]On FB today I saw a few pictures of Cris and Johanita poolside in bikinis and they looked very doable? I have yet to meet Cris and I have not been with Joanita but the way she dances. Well I am sure she knows the Horizontal Mombo and is quite goos at it!

B D

Boyd is in town. Greg and Robert no. I've found through experience that Boyd and I have very different tastes in women.

I finally found one do-able one tonight. Unfortunately, I think that Facebook has lessened the incentive for the chicas to show up and hang out at the Mansion. They can just set up a date on FB and they need to bother taking a taxi here and risking no clients.

Having said that, I am aware that things can change drastically from one night to the next.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1508783]It's Monday bro, LOL! Things usually don't pick up there until at least Thursday.

Fase Dos maybe dead until Wed or Thursday night also.

Did any of the Mansion staff offer to find you a chica (s)? Boyd (owner of HMP 2) will always do this for his guests, but I do not believe he is in Medellin right now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cali Hentai; 1508656]NO. That is about as close to the bottom in the looks that as I have seen personally. But apparently they get high marks in the bedroom.

Plenty of chicks at the Mansion are better looking than the chick in the pic but none are better in bed IMHO. I've banged her up to 4 times in a TLN and she is just an all around great fuck. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Have to agree with the assessment of Angie Tatiana. She can appear a little aloof at the Mansion or at Liquid, but she immediately turns into GFE the minute she gets in private. We got her a little tipsy the other night and talked her into doing a striptease, and she really blew us away. We're trying to talk her into stripping for us on a regular basis. I am editing the video of her striptease as I write and will be putting it into my blog in the next day or two.

[QUOTE=Combo;1508830]I've found through experience that Boyd and I have very different tastes in women.[/QUOTE]Let me guess, you do not like your women rail-thin either, LOL?

This is what I have found through experience: stay away from the American model/setup and do as the Romans (Colombianos in this case).

Just look at the talk about Angie "Bones" Tatiana. This chick is the typical skinny chica look that most North Americans come down to Medellin for.

Boyd would consider all the women in this video to be "hogs":

[url]http://youtu.be/bB_81PSO9es[/url]

And you would never see anything like them (body style) at the. Mansion. And from the looks of it (talk of asking Angie Tatiana to strip), you'll never find that at LL either.

Colombianos (as well as much of Latin America) like their women with con carne and are not afraid to show it (look at their TV stars versus the bone bags that are worshiped in North America like Miley Cyrus).

I think you need to hit some casas, Fase Dos, San Diego Grill, Luna Lunera (see my post in the photo gallery. The chick with the big ass was from Luna), and La Isla. Doubt you will have any trouble walking out of there empty handed.

[quote=tweedled;1508825]geez, i took everyones advice about peeing after sex, and now i'm pissing razor blades![/quote]"excuse me doctor, when i [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. fire shoots out my dick! is this normal?"

"you mean you experience a burning sensation?"

"no sir, i mean fire shoots out my dick!"

classic eddie murphy! this entire back and forth made me think of that skit.

in general does it still hold true that this time of year is awesome to party in colombia? is it also true that once christmas hits until after the new year shit gets boring as everybody (chicas) go to the finca with la familia?

[QUOTE=JoeLover; 1508902]US dollar vs Colombian peso on the verge of rocketing northbound and making it super deal for $ holders for the next several years and years to come. Price bottom formation can be seen as an inverse H&S or even a rounding bottom. Hardly matters because Wave 3 up is about to get underway. Price has already crossed the 200-month exponential moving average. It looks like this support is likely to hold and from this giant base, rocket upward. Switching to the weekly timeframe.

Shows USD broke out in May 2013.

US Dollar's 10-yr decline against the Colombian Peso is ending now.

Looks like I picked a good time to travel to Medellin.

Real Estate is at least 50% cheaper in Medellin than in other nice cities in Latin Am but Medellin apparently offers a creme-de-la-creme lifestyle superior to that of any of these other cities. So with the aborning upwave in the USD\Peso it is an auspicious time for fellas like me to buy, buy, buy. Both real estate and pussy. .

Still need to review the real estate sector of the stock index, though for further overall confirmation. If this sector has also bottomed out, wow, it will be a twin-tower engine blasting northbound.

Work in progress continues. Plainning and prep. Stage fully underway.[/QUOTE]When trying to buying Colombian Pesos in the US, you would get 1560 per $1. I managed to buy at a rate of 1950 Colombian Pesos per $1 at the MDE Airport on the 2nd floor once you get your bags and leave the airport.

[QUOTE=Combo; 1508830]Boyd is in town. Greg and Robert no. I've found through experience that Boyd and I have very different tastes in women.

I finally found one do-able one tonight. Unfortunately, I think that Facebook has lessened the incentive for the chicas to show up and hang out at the Mansion. They can just set up a date on FB and they need to bother taking a taxi here and risking no clients.

Having said that, I am aware that things can change drastically from one night to the next.[/QUOTE]It's true that it's easier using Facebook. I tapped into a gold mine. I can see them beforehand, chat, and discuss prices before I arrive. It gives them an idea on my personality and looks and it's nice to just chat. I met about 12 chicas on Facebook and most go to the mansion or LL. I've been chatting for the past week with most of them on a daily basis. Granted, we are all kinda in the same age area and we can talk about things we have in common. I was considering staying at the mansion for easy access but the hotel I am going to offers a junior suite with a bedroom and living room, balcony, kitchenette, and large shower for about $200 less. Also has a 40" TV that is nice. Wish the mansion was a little less for the accommodations offered. It would have been nice to chat with some other gringos while there.

[QUOTE=Razor77;1508973]It's true that it's easier using Facebook. I tapped into a gold mine. I can see them beforehand, chat, and discuss prices before I arrive. It gives them an idea on my personality and looks and it's nice to just chat. I met about 12 chicas on Facebook and most go to the mansion or LL. I've been chatting for the past week with most of them on a daily basis. Granted, we are all kinda in the same age area and we can talk about things we have in common. I was considering staying at the mansion for easy access but the hotel I am going to offers a junior suite with a bedroom and living room, balcony, kitchenette, and large shower for about $200 less. Also has a 40" TV that is nice. Wish the mansion was a little less for the accommodations offered. It would have been nice to chat with some other gringos while there.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I have to ask. How do you find the chicas in Facebook? I am very interested in trying this as I've never used that method when it comes to meeting chicas in other countries. Any help is greatly appreciated. With people mentioning meeting on FB, I was quite intrigued.

[QUOTE=YG365;1508971]When trying to buying Colombian Pesos in the US, you would get 1560 per $1. I managed to buy at a rate of 1950 Colombian Pesos per $1 at the MDE Airport on the 2nd floor once you get your bags and leave the airport.[/QUOTE]Hit the mall and check out the different cambios I found 1970 to one at a few, and that was in the last few days.

[quote=razor77;1508973]it's true that it's easier using facebook. i tapped into a gold mine. i can see them beforehand, chat, and discuss prices before i arrive. it gives them an idea on my personality and looks and it's nice to just chat. i met about 12 chicas on facebook and most go to the mansion or ll. i've been chatting for the past week with most of them on a daily basis. granted, we are all kinda in the same age area and we can talk about things we have in common. i was considering staying at the mansion for easy access but the hotel i am going to offers a junior suite with a bedroom and living room, balcony, kitchenette, and large shower for about $200 less. also has a 40" tv that is nice. wish the mansion was a little less for the accommodations offered. it would have been nice to chat with some other gringos while there.[/quote]ok. i'm trying to look out for the guys heree. well i have it from 2 second hand reports of some girls running game and playing tricks on gringos. it's the one from a previous frequent poster here and one from my boy on the ground in medellin. both friends of a friend got taken by the "****d / fake cop" trick. i'm not trying to cry wolf but as a community service i wanted to make everybody aware.

i'm an old school guy. i can't convict them because thank the lord it wasn't me. both girls are hot. but they're playing a dangerous game.

what should i do? fudge it and post their names and pics as a heads up? or what? please advise.

[quote=slamcity7777; 1509134]ok. i'm trying to look out for the guys heree. well i have it from 2 second hand reports of some girls running game and playing tricks on gringos. it's the one from a previous frequent poster here and one from my boy on the ground in medellin. both friends of a friend got taken by the "****d / fake cop" trick. i'm not trying to cry wolf but as a community service i wanted to make everybody aware.

i'm an old school guy. i can't convict them because thank the lord it wasn't me. both girls are hot. but they're playing a dangerous game.

what should i do? fudge it and post their names and pics as a heads up? or what? please advise.[/quote]of course, post it. if you were about to get taken and then saw the photos in time to back out of it, wouldn't you appreciate it?

technology can advance. everyone can have facebook, and amazing smartphones that are more powerful than entire computers 10 years ago. and yet all it becomes is another way for con artists to perpetrate the same scams that have been running for thousands of years; all designed to trap the unsuspecting john being led by his dick.

i always shake my head at the guys who brag about not wanting to "shoot fish in a barrel" in places like the mansion, an fkk, or campo alegre. guys who claim to love the "thrill of the hunt," who later are surprised and complain about catching the clap, getting robbed, arrested, or beaten up.

if are stupid enough to get caught in that situation, then you almost deserve to be the sucker.

I was recently in Medellin for a 10-day mongering trip. I stayed at the Mansion and this was my 3rd trip this year. In the past, I've done casa visits during the day and stuck to mansion girls at night. I meant to follow the same routine on this trip but things did not work out quite that way.

First, I got a cold and that got me grounded for 3 days. Some folks told me that was from kissing the chicks and urged me to stay away from kissing. That made sense, except that I enjoy DFK too much. Also, this is not the first time this happened to me. I got the flu on my first trip under similar circumstances and was grounded for 4 days then. I think I've pretty much resigned myself to accepting the downtime as part of the hazards on the job. I have to do a better job next time preparing myself by loading up on vitamins and other supplements. Of course, I have to also figure out which vitamins I need to take.

I still managed to visit 3 casas, New Life, Blue Room, and Energy. New Life had about 15 girls or so in the lineup, as usual, and they had at least 3 or 4 that would qualify as my type, slim or athletic. I selected Mariana, who appeared to have a nice body and a nice smile. Once in the room and undressed, she appeared a bit older. Also, her skin was not smooth but luckily, she kept that smile the entire session. She easily agreed to BBBJ in exchange for a propina, and did not try to negotiate the amount. The session was pleasant and I was fairly satisfied with her service.

The Blue Room lineup was not much different from that at New Life. This time, I picked Tania, as she looked the slimmest chica in the room. Once we got in the room and she got undressed, I was disappointed. She was hiding quite a bit of baggage under that sexy blouse. She was on the eye candy side, with a beautiful smile and appeared friendly. However, she wanted 50K for BBBJ and I said forget it. I told her I would only give her a tip with no amount specified. She said no but she ended up offering me a BBBJ anyhow. Smart girl, as I am typically a generous tipper. They asked for 100K for one hour. The place was also nice and the room was big. There was a bit of sophistication in the air, giving the place an aura of higher class than New Life.

The session was also of higher grade. Tania asked me to take a shower first but I was concerned about the cold water, but she managed to get the water hot enough for me. She also had a boom box in the room. After the shower, she put on music and gave me a nice strip dance to start the session. After that, she gave a decent BBBJ, and then on to FS. By now, I was having difficulty finishing, and explained that to her but she insisted on keeping going to try to get me to finish. There was no complaint from me, as I was happy to keep pumping her. By this time, she was trying every imaginable position with the background music and I was loving it. We even tried her exercise machine and she was quite flexible. It turned out to be one heck of a session, that seemed to last forever. The only con was that as soon as junior started stirring things up inside, a strong yeast odor came out. She ignored it and so did I. I was having too much fun to let that bother me.

Energy also had a similar lineup with close to 15 girls, but they had fewer slim girls. I picked Ani who turned out not that slim once she removed her blouse. They asked for 130K for one hour. Ani looked pretty, but she was not that friendly. When I asked her about BBBJ, her answer was a quick no. She also did not want any pic taken of her. The positive was that she was good in bed. I could not last past mish as I was getting so excited.

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1509146]Of course, post it. If you were about to get taken and then saw the photos in time to back out of it, wouldn't you appreciate it?

Technology can advance. Everyone can have Facebook, and amazing smartphones that are more powerful than entire computers 10 years ago. And yet all it becomes is another way for con artists to perpetrate the same scams that have been running for thousands of years; all designed to trap the unsuspecting John being led by his dick.

I always shake my head at the guys who brag about not wanting to "shoot fish in a barrel" in places like the Mansion, an FKK, or Campo Alegre. Guys who claim to love the "thrill of the hunt," who later are surprised and complain about catching the clap, getting robbed, arrested, or beaten up.

If are stupid enough to get caught in that situation, then you almost deserve to be the sucker.[/QUOTE]At the very least he should post links to their facebook profiles and the buildings that these guys stayed at with security so lacks that thugs can make it to their front door uninvited.

What up fellas,

Loving my trip so far! I've had a great time staying at the Mansion! It's kinda pricy and the girls are alright but what really makes this place special is the the other guest at the hotel. It's really nice to drink, party and hangout with other people having the same interests.

So far, I've only done one girl *Nicole and it was amazing. Contrary to a few bad reports, I had an amazing time with her. I guess it's YMMV because me and her hit it off big time from the start. At first, she said everything was covered but I guess eventually during the deed, she was open to BBBJ. She also allowed ass play, which I love! Gives me hope of hitting it greek eventually? We'll see! I'll rate her as A-10, S-10, L-9? She looks really good in person but when taking photos, so-so.

Also hit up F2 tonight. I had a great time even though it was really PG13 for me. If anyone has the time to PM me about the prices and what goes on here, much appreciated! I can always search for it but I'm drunk, tired and lazy right now LOL. This place has amazingly hot girls, both tourist and locals as customers, cost I believe 10000 Pesos to get in and beers are hella expensive! I believe 18000 pesos for an Corona! It's better to do bottle service with a friend or two! All the girls will stop by and ask for a drink. I know extracurricular play is available but is it in house or can you do take out? Also is there a price for private lap dances?

PS. Any suggestions on what I should hit up tomorrow? I have some ideas but any recommendations would be great!

Thanks,

YG

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1509146]Of course, post it. If you were about to get taken and then saw the photos in time to back out of it, wouldn't you appreciate it?

Technology can advance. Everyone can have Facebook, and amazing smartphones that are more powerful than entire computers 10 years ago. And yet all it becomes is another way for con artists to perpetrate the same scams that have been running for thousands of years; all designed to trap the unsuspecting John being led by his dick.

I always shake my head at the guys who brag about not wanting to "shoot fish in a barrel" in places like the Mansion, an FKK, or Campo Alegre. Guys who claim to love the "thrill of the hunt," who later are surprised and complain about catching the clap, getting robbed, arrested, or beaten up.

If are stupid enough to get caught in that situation, then you almost deserve to be the sucker.[/QUOTE]Hmmmm, Didn't the Mansion have a couple of robberies a while back?

Men, I've seen so many Gringos going to this great city, trying to fully control everything, being all setup, Theres no chemistry there. You've allready put yourself in full client mode, which is kinda adversarial. I used to do this. Now I think its best to just to go with absolutely no agenda, theres a million women here ready to meet you. Pros, nonpros, semipros,

[quote=slamcity7777; 1509134]ok. i'm trying to look out for the guys heree. well i have it from 2 second hand reports of some girls running game and playing tricks on gringos. it's the one from a previous frequent poster here and one from my boy on the ground in medellin. both friends of a friend got taken by the "****d / fake cop" trick. i'm not trying to cry wolf but as a community service i wanted to make everybody aware.

i'm an old school guy. i can't convict them because thank the lord it wasn't me. both girls are hot. but they're playing a dangerous game.

what should i do? fudge it and post their names and pics as a heads up? or what? please advise.[/quote]none of us wants to make a date and have her novio o amigo rob us or pretend to be policia because she is ****. so post their facebook, names, fotos, whatever you have. all the ones i talk to are already known at ll and mansion. i have yet to meet one that has not been verified. with that being said, i wouldn't stroll through facebook looking for non-pro's and make dates without knowing anything about them. the only dates i have made are with ones that i have spent days chatting with. for me, it is nice to have a connection with a chica rather then just pay and play. if i wanted to pay, pump, and dump i would visit a casa. but for some like me, we like to have a relationship. kinda a friends with benefits. here in miami, if i have a friends with benefits i am probably paying for a night out for dinner and going to a club in south beach and then having sex later at night. it would cost me about $150 for the night depending on dinner and drinks at the club. so paying a girl $75 for her time and becoming friends as well is not terrible. to each their own on how they want to approach the p4p scene.

side note, for those without any time in medellin or even colombia and without any posts please don't pm me asking for all my contacts. not going to happen. my facebook amigas are obviously for sale and i didn't have anyone on here hold my hand and lead me to them. i found them on my own. i networked through friends from my visits to colombia. i spent almost 2 years visiting barranquilla and made friends with chicas and chicos while my fiance lived there, (f'ing wh0re). and my first time in medellin was this past august for 4 days to just explore on my own. not once did i ask or want help in august. i arrived on my own, explored on my own, met girls on my own, (at the mall of all places) and then came back to sunny miami. january is my first real trip to medellin and i will indulge in the fun. ok enough rambling, post the pics slimcity and others stop writing me pm's.

(one more side not). if anyone is into a beautiful 20yro paisa that is 8 months pregnant and still working pm me but only senior members! she asked me to pass the word.

[QUOTE=Cali Hentai;1509199]At the very least he should post links to their facebook profiles and the buildings that these guys stayed at with security so lacks that thugs can make it to their front door uninvited.[/QUOTE]They only way that I could see it work would be for some enterprising, tech-savvy young man to create a Facebook network / club (I assume that there is such a thing) where the GUYS (all confirmed NON-Colombians) were included along with the girls. Feedback on the Facebook community, and the income that it ensures, would be the only thing to keep the scams in check.

Anybody up to the task? I am definitely not that guy. I have never used Twitter or Redditt. Not even once.

I have always been amazed at the simplicity and how incredibly well the ratings system works on Amazon. Com. Vendors will bend over backwards to get a good rating from you. Isn't there a thumbs up/down, cool/not cool counter? That would be a much better way to get a handle on the girls instead of having to pour over years of useless postings on the forum.

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1509290]They only way that I could see it work would be for some enterprising, tech-savvy young man to create a Facebook network / club (I assume that there is such a thing) where the GUYS (all confirmed NON-Colombians) were included along with the girls. Feedback on the Facebook community, and the income that it ensures, would be the only thing to keep the scams in check.

Anybody up to the task? I am definitely not that guy. I have never used Twitter or Redditt. Not even once.

I have always been amazed at the simplicity and how incredibly well the ratings system works on Amazon. Com. Vendors will bend over backwards to get a good rating from you.[/QUOTE]That is a great idea however, keep in mind that the majority of the girls that have facebook have the account open for all including family members and have pictures of their kids. I wouldn't want some girls life turned up side down from some weirdo crazy ahole. But perhaps it might be possible to get a list of facebook accounts of the ones verified as Mansion girls and LL girls and others used and list their prices or hours etc. It would have to be an account that is by friend invite only. I will work on it within the next week or two and I will have to ask the girls I know if they agree.

[QUOTE=Razor77;1509295]That is a great idea however, keep in mind that the majority of the girls that have facebook have the account open for all including family members and have pictures of their kids. I wouldn't want some girls life turned up side down from some weirdo crazy ahole. But perhaps it might be possible to get a list of facebook accounts of the ones verified as Mansion girls and LL girls and others used and list their prices or hours etc. It would have to be an account that is by friend invite only. I will work on it within the next week or two and I will have to ask the girls I know if they agree.[/QUOTE]I actually posted pics and the break down on another less popular (very dead actually) Monger board. So I guess I should just the trigger. I'm waiting on some more info before I blow the spot. You know. Got to have proof you green light a project like this!

[QUOTE=Razor77;1509295]That is a great idea however, keep in mind that the majority of the girls that have facebook have the account open for all including family members and have pictures of their kids. I wouldn't want some girls life turned up side down from some weirdo crazy ahole. But perhaps it might be possible to get a list of facebook accounts of the ones verified as Mansion girls and LL girls and others used and list their prices or hours etc. It would have to be an account that is by friend invite only. I will work on it within the next week or two and I will have to ask the girls I know if they agree.[/QUOTE]Excellent! We have found our man.

I would help you, but I am embarassingly tech unsavvy. I am the only person that I know that still uses a Blackberry. The kind with the actual buttons.

[QUOTE=El Bacano;1509285]Men, I've seen so many Gringos going to this great city, trying to fully control everything, being all setup, Theres no chemistry there. You've allready put yourself in full client mode, which is kinda adversarial. I used to do this. Now I think its best to just to go with absolutely no agenda, theres a million women here ready to meet you. Pros, nonpros, semipros,[/QUOTE]Do you have any good suggestions for spots to meet semis and nonprops that are lively? I actually enjoy the hunt.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1509465]Do you have any good suggestions for spots to meet semis and nonprops that are lively? I actually enjoy the hunt.[/QUOTE]The Mall during lunch. Specifically the food court. Sundays the close down Av Poblado and it's Yoga Pants city! Smile be nice, wave hello, and you'll usually see them on the round trip. The Club is ok too but take that as you will.

Medellin Pagado Chicas

That is the new facebook account for the Medellin chicas that I will work on starting tomorrow. A few already agreed to be added. Suggestions and pictures and links welcomed. Send me a PM with info. If you think the name should be different or think of anything for me to add just let me know. This is mostly for Seniors ONLY for security reasons. If you send me a picture make sure to list the following to help others.

When was she last seen.

Her age or estimate.

Price and amount of time for that price.

Pro's and Con's (what does she like to do and dislike to do with a guy)

Best location to meet.

This will be setup primarily for Facebook girls but I will add others at the discretion of the member providing the info. I will do promotions for locations for Liquid Lounge, Mansion, Face Dos, Casas, hotels etc. This account is by invite only. So do not just send me an "Add Me" and expect to be added automatically. I run a few accounts on MFC, Chaturbate, Cams. Com, Jasmine, and others. I have access to a few models that work for me still that I will add along with their usernames on the site they work for. I am not their pimp so don't ask for a hookup. I manage their accounts and pay them twice a month. What they do while working is their decision not mine. I have only a business relationship with them.

Camila Cardona.

[url]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001717641134&fref=ts[/url]

Manuela Manu.

[url]https://www.facebook.com/manuelamanu0?fref=ts[/url]

After a few PM's with the fellas it's better to be safe for us then to be sorry. Always bad when a guy looking a date gets taken for a ride especially at the threat of violence or loss of freedom.

If anybody can speak for these girls do so. If you know one of the victims speak up.

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777; 1509510]Camila Cardona.

[url]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001717641134&fref=ts[/url]

Manuela Manu.

[url]https://www.facebook.com/manuelamanu0?fref=ts[/url]

After a few PM's with the fellas it's better to be safe for us then to be sorry. Always bad when a guy looking a date gets taken for a ride especially at the threat of violence or loss of freedom.

If anybody can speak for these girls do so. If you know one of the victims speak up.[/QUOTE]Are these the two girls that are setting guys up with the fake cops?

I can not speak for the two girls personally because I have never met either but Camila Cardona is a facebook friend and we share two common girlfriends that I know personally that are in the biz. Seems to me that the facebook account is for real and if she was engaged in illegal activity that she would have used a fake one.

[QUOTE=Cali Hentai; 1509564]Are these the two girls that are setting guys up with the fake cops?

I can not speak for the two girls personally because I have never met either but Camila Cardona is a facebook friend and we share two common girlfriends that I know personally that are in the biz. Seems to me that the facebook account is for real and if she was engaged in illegal activity that she would have used a fake one.[/QUOTE]You see why I was slow to post this? I felt the same way but FB is fake life vs Real Life. Has either of your shared common girlfriends ever actually chilled or kicked it with her? I'm "friends" with Bruce Lee and Vin Diesel does not mean we play golf together. You know? My buddy who lives there is friend with both the girls in question too and when I told him of the second indecent he too was like "no way. I'm FB friends with____! I wanted to fuck her too!"

If anything she prob just friend-ed the 2 shared friends because they had deep lists of grings and it looks legit. Plus it gives them more prospects to hunt.

But here is the rub. Take a hard look at Camila Cardona's profile. Past the sexy and she is sexy as fuck IMO and ask yourself. Is her page real? The photos clearly are her, it has been reported she showed up instead of Manuela and fucked some un lucky gringo and he got shook down for a large stack of bills. But is she for real?

1) I founder her via Manu Manuela, her alleged accomplice. Other than idiots like us drooling over their picks, there is no activity! She has not "liked" one single gringos comment about "thanks for the add", maybe 1 other GF comment but no reply to the post. Every paisas loves showing love to their Gfs! They always be like "I love you you or some bullshit like that or a like or smiley" nothing.

2) Her Wall: it's full of spam! I mean full on spam, from some jerk with a page of video links, Businesses and Promotions just posted to her wall and she did not block, erase, or even like any of them. That don't seem right. Where are her likes? The bull shit pic of some quote? A pic of Hello Kitty smoking a joint? Some normal shit? Just sexy pics, no comments from any girlfriends or any other known prepagos other than Manuela Manu who is her suspected co Lure.

3) Few likes, few music. Just enough to seem legit but compared to girls you know in real life it's not right IMO. 3 likes. 1 music. Is that it? The paisas I know love FB games, and all that likes for Daddy Yankee, and all that other BS. She has 4 total with 3 group likes. One thing else Paisas love. Attention! They always comment and like the Que linda! And stuff like that. She does not.

4) Never seen: When you send a PM and the other person sees it, opens it, ect. It is marked "seen on." I've send Camila messages and NONE have ever been scene. I've been ignored before but they messages have always been seen! If she was real wouldn't she be screening her possible clients? Going through her inbox?

Yami Marin is a famous and well reviewed Chica. She is VERY popular on FB. She's seen my PMs and repllied to one or two that I got her at a slow spot in her day. For the most part she does not reply as I'm not in town to give her money. So she looks, sees I didn't' write "I'm HERE! Let's party!" and she moves on. Like a real normal person would!

5) Her email is listed as: 100001717641134 "at" facebook dot com.

What 20 year old girl or normal person would use this as their log in or email? How about CCardona100001xxxxx# "at" FB or as a real person might want to remember? Anything yo!

6) Her girl Manu Manula is a bit more active, but shares the same lacking signs that a scammer would have.

7) From the OG monger that posted this there was this comment:

*I won't speak the other mongers names out of respect for their privacy but you can find who said what. I'm just not going to speak anohter mans name with out his ok. Feel me?

(made by another Vet of the Monger scene)

So that's why they only go to apartments"

I find this comment very interesting as Hotels, the mansion. All have security and check IDs.

Maybe I'm over thinking things but read what I wrote and compare to girls you know. Wendy or Yesse Vera or even a girl that is not that active on her FB page but known at the Mansion. See if it adds up. Ask any of your shared friends if they actually know her!

Like a Counterfeit $100 bill, she has enough of the security measures you'd expect but once taken a look at closely she shows some warts.

Like I've said from the jump, I'm reporting what I've been told by two real world friends and mongers as it was told to them from their flesh and blood friends. I think that carries more weight then they have some shared friends so. Dude they're super hot and pretty Colombian chics who will fuck your brains out for $. Who would not accept their friendship?

Razor instead of actual name just make it acronym MPC, reason why is because on private groups it still shows up on people's tabs on left hand side on Facebook. Also groups come up on every day feeds so everyone should know you could also hide the group from coming up on feed. That way some users can prevent from standing in grocery store and people looking over shoulder when user opens up Facebook and pictures or info from private group come up on feed. Just a thought.

[QUOTE=Razor77; 1509503]Medellin Pagado Chicas

That is the new facebook account for the Medellin chicas that I will work on starting tomorrow. A few already agreed to be added. Suggestions and pictures and links welcomed. Send me a PM with info. If you think the name should be different or think of anything for me to add just let me know. This is mostly for Seniors ONLY for security reasons. If you send me a picture make sure to list the following to help others.

When was she last seen.

Her age or estimate.

Price and amount of time for that price.

Pro's and Con's (what does she like to do and dislike to do with a guy)

Best location to meet.

This will be setup primarily for Facebook girls but I will add others at the discretion of the member providing the info. I will do promotions for locations for Liquid Lounge, Mansion, Face Dos, Casas, hotels etc. This account is by invite only. So do not just send me an "Add Me" and expect to be added automatically. I run a few accounts on MFC, Chaturbate, Cams. Com, Jasmine, and others. I have access to a few models that work for me still that I will add along with their usernames on the site they work for. I am not their pimp so don't ask for a hookup. I manage their accounts and pay them twice a month. What they do while working is their decision not mine. I have only a business relationship with them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Razor77; 1509503]Medellin Pagado Chicas

That is the new facebook account for the Medellin chicas that I will work on starting tomorrow. A few already agreed to be added. Suggestions and pictures and links welcomed. Send me a PM with info. If you think the name should be different or think of anything for me to add just let me know. This is mostly for Seniors ONLY for security reasons. If you send me a picture make sure to list the following to help others.

When was she last seen.

Her age or estimate.

Price and amount of time for that price.

Pro's and Con's (what does she like to do and dislike to do with a guy)

Best location to meet.

This will be setup primarily for Facebook girls but I will add others at the discretion of the member providing the info. I will do promotions for locations for Liquid Lounge, Mansion, Face Dos, Casas, hotels etc. This account is by invite only. So do not just send me an "Add Me" and expect to be added automatically. I run a few accounts on MFC, Chaturbate, Cams. Com, Jasmine, and others. I have access to a few models that work for me still that I will add along with their usernames on the site they work for. I am not their pimp so don't ask for a hookup. I manage their accounts and pay them twice a month. What they do while working is their decision not mine. I have only a business relationship with them.[/QUOTE]Perhaps I misunderstood your intentions. I was suggesting a facebook ring that was community run. Look at it from our perspective. If you manage the girls, then whatever you setup is no different than any other escort website. I don't know you, and you are a probably a cool guy. But whatever you setup doesn't do anything to prevent scams, which is what I was suggesting.

talked to manuela once, got a very weird vibe from the whole conversation. i heard from two different mongers about her setting up a date and shaking a guy down with two keystone cops about some **** scheme (which is laughable). i don't think there is any need to go "outing" them but this thread should serve as a warning to maybe steer clear. there are many options in medellin, folks.

[QUOTE=DmeHcg;1509619]Razor instead of actual name just make it acronym MPC, reason why is because on private groups it still shows up on people's tabs on left hand side on Facebook. Also groups come up on every day feeds so everyone should know you could also hide the group from coming up on feed. That way some users can prevent from standing in grocery store and people looking over shoulder when user opens up Facebook and pictures or info from private group come up on feed. Just a thought.[/QUOTE]Will change it today

[QUOTE=Manny51;1509666]Perhaps I misunderstood your intentions. I was suggesting a facebook ring that was community run. Look at it from our perspective. If you manage the girls, then whatever you setup is no different than any other escort website. I don't know you, and you are a probably a cool guy. But whatever you setup doesn't do anything to prevent scams, which is what I was suggesting.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't manage any of the girls on Facebook. The idea is to list girls so that all of us that are on the site can see their pictures, prices, share intel etc. I am in no way going to communicate with the chicas and do the work for any monger. It's going to be about intel only. I thought it would also be nice to do some promotions for clubs, casas, etc. But the info on the girls is obviously going to allow the monger to reach out to the chica to make the initial contact and setup their dates and start the relationship. Right now, we all just have our favorites that we talk to on FB and this will be a way to share some intel. I don't think adding the chicas to the account would be a good idea. As for preventing scams, that is why we all join and share intel like on here. Except we will include some other details that we know directly. I love sharing intel on ISG but I don't want every guy that trolls on here to see some information for obvious reasons. This is just starting so by all means I look forward to ideas and concepts.

For now, I'm changing the name of the FB account to MPC.

We are full through the New Year so I am keeping the guys busy with Natalia and Andrea coming over at 2pm followed by Carolina and Johanna at 6pm for the date experience maybe a walk around Parque Lleras or some food at the corner restaurants near here but its this experience with holding hands and kisses that the guys tell me is the difference maker and why they like it here. You can have someone come over fairly easy but once the deed is done they start looking at the door before you can pull out your bill fold and pay them to leave. Night dates are not easy on your own!

Colombia Jake

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777; 1509600]You see why I was slow to post this? I felt the same way but FB is fake life vs Real Life. Has either of your shared common girlfriends ever actually chilled or kicked it with her? I'm "friends" with Bruce Lee and Vin Diesel does not mean we play golf together. You know? My buddy who lives there is friend with both the girls in question too and when I told him of the second indecent he too was like "no way. I'm FB friends with____! I wanted to fuck her too!"

If anything she prob just friend-ed the 2 shared friends because they had deep lists of grings and it looks legit. Plus it gives them more prospects to hunt.

But here is the rub. Take a hard look at Camila Cardona's profile. Past the sexy and she is sexy as fuck IMO and ask yourself. Is her page real? The photos clearly are her, it has been reported she showed up instead of Manuela and fucked some un lucky gringo and he got shook down for a large stack of bills. But is she for real?

1) I founder her via Manu Manuela, her alleged accomplice. Other than idiots like us drooling over their picks, there is no activity! She has not "liked" one single gringos comment about "thanks for the add", maybe 1 other GF comment but no reply to the post. Every paisas loves showing love to their Gfs! They always be like "I love you you or some bullshit like that or a like or smiley" nothing.

2) Her Wall: it's full of spam! I mean full on spam, from some jerk with a page of video links, Businesses and Promotions just posted to her wall and she did not block, erase, or even like any of them. That don't seem right. Where are her likes? The bull shit pic of some quote? A pic of Hello Kitty smoking a joint? Some normal shit? Just sexy pics, no comments from any girlfriends or any other known prepagos other than Manuela Manu who is her suspected co Lure.

3) Few likes, few music. Just enough to seem legit but compared to girls you know in real life it's not right IMO. 3 likes. 1 music. Is that it? The paisas I know love FB games, and all that likes for Daddy Yankee, and all that other BS. She has 4 total with 3 group likes. One thing else Paisas love. Attention! They always comment and like the Que linda! And stuff like that. She does not.

4) Never seen: When you send a PM and the other person sees it, opens it, ect. It is marked "seen on." I've send Camila messages and NONE have ever been scene. I've been ignored before but they messages have always been seen! If she was real wouldn't she be screening her possible clients? Going through her inbox?

Yami Marin is a famous and well reviewed Chica. She is VERY popular on FB. She's seen my PMs and repllied to one or two that I got her at a slow spot in her day. For the most part she does not reply as I'm not in town to give her money. So she looks, sees I didn't' write "I'm HERE! Let's party!" and she moves on. Like a real normal person would!

5) Her email is listed as: 100001717641134 "at" facebook dot com.

What 20 year old girl or normal person would use this as their log in or email? How about CCardona100001xxxxx# "at" FB or as a real person might want to remember? Anything yo!

6) Her girl Manu Manula is a bit more active, but shares the same lacking signs that a scammer would have.

7) From the OG monger that posted this there was this comment:

*I won't speak the other mongers names out of respect for their privacy but you can find who said what. I'm just not going to speak anohter mans name with out his ok. Feel me?

(made by another Vet of the Monger scene)

So that's why they only go to apartments"

I find this comment very interesting as Hotels, the mansion. All have security and check IDs.

Maybe I'm over thinking things but read what I wrote and compare to girls you know. Wendy or Yesse Vera or even a girl that is not that active on her FB page but known at the Mansion. See if it adds up. Ask any of your shared friends if they actually know her!

Like a Counterfeit $100 bill, she has enough of the security measures you'd expect but once taken a look at closely she shows some warts.

Like I've said from the jump, I'm reporting what I've been told by two real world friends and mongers as it was told to them from their flesh and blood friends. I think that carries more weight then they have some shared friends so. Dude they're super hot and pretty Colombian chics who will fuck your brains out for $. Who would not accept their friendship?[/QUOTE]Our mutual facebook friends:

[url]https://www.facebook.com/alejalabella17/friends[/url]

[url]https://www.facebook.com/kelly.giraldo.5205[/url]

I don't think it will prove anything if the chicks are all even good friends. It would be nice to hear a firsthand account of exactly how it went down if your friends would be so kind to give us one.

Just seems counter intuitive that someone that is robbing people would post their real pics in their profiles.

I think both of the chicks are attractive and I'm not above calling either one up just to see what happens. Not to worried about the fake cops as I never stay in a place where they could get anywhere near me.

Camila has 5 likes all are bands or singers except for subway and playboy. jajaja. I don't know if you are friends with her on facebook but you probably can't see all the things on her facebook page if you aren't.

She belongs to 3 groups. This one I don't get: https://www.facebook.com/groups/247095635312655/

She created her profile on November 30, 2010

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777;1509487]The Mall during lunch. Specifically the food court. Sundays the close down Av Poblado and it's Yoga Pants city! Smile be nice, wave hello, and you'll usually see them on the round trip. The Club is ok too but take that as you will.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I've been hitting the malls and the Sundays on the ave so good to hear that from someone else.

I don't know why, but the airport and panaderias seem to work fine.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1509465]Do you have any good suggestions for spots to meet semis and nonprops that are lively? I actually enjoy the hunt.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Razor77;1509705]I wouldn't manage any of the girls on Facebook. The idea is to list girls so that all of us that are on the site can see their pictures, prices, share intel etc. I am in no way going to communicate with the chicas and do the work for any monger. It's going to be about intel only. I thought it would also be nice to do some promotions for clubs, casas, etc. But the info on the girls is obviously going to allow the monger to reach out to the chica to make the initial contact and setup their dates and start the relationship.[/QUOTE]Isn't the whole point of facebook for (prepago) chicas to remain discreet? You are basically talking about compiling the equivalent of an escort site within a facebook group (pictures, prices).

I can imagine there will be a ton of chicas switching off their facebook accounts as a result of a bunch of horny gringos bomb-rushing them with friend requests and exploding their inboxes with requests for "sucky sucky and fucky fucky sin condon. I know you do this. Jim Umptyscrunch said you barebacked him for 80,000 pesos including anal." Because you can always count on the info of some random guy on the internet (who is looking out for his own interests) to be 100% correct. Not including the guys submitting false info of chicas who are not prepagos and pissing off the wrong Colombiana and Colombiano.

This is going to be fun to watch. It's a good thing I have other means of contacting my favoritas, lmao! You guy may have officially just killed the MFPN (Medellin Facebook Prepago Network).

Ass-backward logic: "If it ain't broke, fuck with it until it breaks."

Here is another hint that may end up saving you a ton of headache: If a chicas page/friends list consists of 99.9% mongers, the profile is most likely a fake account.

Example: Check Camila Velasquez page/friend's list/time line against Wendy's page/friend's list/time line.

No charge gents :)

Tons of pics on this chicas profile, but a fishy timeline. And guess what?

From C R T [b]posted by JeremiahSays[/b]:

[i]"Had a girl on my list for a while who has friends she links / posts that are available through her.

Talked to her today, and she said that her fee is not money, but videos of the act.

Now the real deal. She then says she has lots of girls 15-17 of age.

Basically, she is making sure you, get proof, of, your illegal acts, most likely for a blackmail.

This warning is because [b]I think she likely passes off girls as also being 18+ and then blackmailing with the unknown truth.[/b]

Andrea Cruz Fernandez

.......FYI, when I got more "hey 18+ only", even though she had said before she had 18+, her attitude changed and she got kind of pissy. She also went on to tell me that p4p for 14-17 was no big deal and nothing would happen. Then told me the girl I asked about was almost 18 (wow thats convenient). Totally a setup, even if told the girl is 18+."

[/i]

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1509859]Tons of pics on this chicas profile, but a fishy timeline. And guess what?

From C R T [b]posted by JeremiahSays[/b]:

[i]"Had a girl on my list for a while who has friends she links / posts that are available through her.

Talked to her today, and she said that her fee is not money, but videos of the act.

Now the real deal. She then says she has lots of girls 15-17 of age.

Basically, she is making sure you, get proof, of, your illegal acts, most likely for a blackmail.

This warning is because [b]I think she likely passes off girls as also being 18+ and then blackmailing with the unknown truth. [/b]

Andrea Cruz Fernandez.

FYI, when I got more "hey 18+ only", even though she had said before she had 18+, her attitude changed and she got kind of pissy. She also went on to tell me that p4p for 14-17 was no big deal and nothing would happen. Then told me the girl I asked about was almost 18 (wow thats convenient). Totally a setup, even if told the girl is 18+."

[/i][/QUOTE]That girl is SUPER fishy. Said she was in Brazil at the moment and that the last pics are her but the others are her friends. I said politely "you're the most beautiful of them" and she was like "I don't know, I'm the oldest." I said, nah, how old are you like 22? She said 21. Whole convo gave me a bad vibe. She is friends with two sisters whom I met briefly, probably a real person but with weird intentions.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1509843]Isn't the whole point of facebook for (prepago) chicas to remain discreet? You are basically talking about compiling the equivalent of an escort site within a facebook group (pictures, prices).

I can imagine there will be a ton of chicas switching off their facebook accounts as a result of a bunch of horny gringos bomb-rushing them with friend requests and exploding their inboxes with requests for "sucky sucky and fucky fucky sin condon. I know you do this. Jim Umptyscrunch said you barebacked him for 80, 000 pesos including anal." Because you can always count on the info of some random guy on the internet (who is looking out for his own interests) to be 100% correct. Not including the guys submitting false info of chicas who are not prepagos and pissing off the wrong Colombiana and Colombiano.[/QUOTE]LOL!

I think their facebook inboxes are already overloaded. And from what I have been shown the "sucky sucky and fucky fucky sin condon" thing is pretty much right on the money. LOL!

But I don't think a lot of them will be shutting down their facebook profiles. They are pretty good at sizing a guy's profile up in 2 minutes or less. Some guys get added, some are just ignored and others some how manage to get blocked right from the start. Jajaja

You have not to think to talk with many Colombian girls on Facebook because they are afraid about fake accounts. They think their friends are making fun with them with fake accounts and many times they don't answer to your messages.

[QUOTE=Cali Hentai; 1509952]LOL!

I think their facebook inboxes are already overloaded. And from what I have been shown the "sucky sucky and fucky fucky sin condon" thing is pretty much right on the money. LOL![/QUOTE]These girls get totally overloaded with messages and friend requests. I was in the DR last week and I let a very run of the mill puta use my IPad to go on Facebook and I could not believe the traffic she had blowing through her account, she had over 50 messages waiting for her and over a hundred friend requests when she logged on. She had 3 guys she was calling her their novia and asking them all to buy her everything from a tablet to furniture for her house, I wanted to puke. And this girl is only 19 years old and not the best looking girl in my stable by any means.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1509861]That girl is SUPER fishy. Said she was in Brazil at the moment and that the last pics are her but the others are her friends. I said politely "you're the most beautiful of them" and she was like "I don't know, I'm the oldest." I said, nah, how old are you like 22? She said 21. Whole convo gave me a bad vibe. She is friends with two sisters whom I met briefly, probably a real person but with weird intentions.[/QUOTE]Second fake FB for "Manuela Manu"

[url]https://www.facebook.com/melissa.guzman.73113?[/url]

Get's fishier. IMO at this point I feel there is enough circumstantial evidence to say staying away from her or Camila Cardona is a good idea!

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1509843]Isn't the whole point of facebook for (prepago) chicas to remain discreet? You are basically talking about compiling the equivalent of an escort site within a facebook group (pictures, prices).

I can imagine there will be a ton of chicas switching off their facebook accounts as a result of a bunch of horny gringos bomb-rushing them with friend requests and exploding their inboxes with requests for "sucky sucky and fucky fucky sin condon. I know you do this. Jim Umptyscrunch said you barebacked him for 80, 000 pesos including anal." Because you can always count on the info of some random guy on the internet (who is looking out for his own interests) to be 100% correct. Not including the guys submitting false info of chicas who are not prepagos and pissing off the wrong Colombiana and Colombiano.

This is going to be fun to watch. It's a good thing I have other means of contacting my favoritas, lmao! You guy may have officially just killed the MFPN (Medellin Facebook Prepago Network).

Ass-backward logic: "If it ain't broke, fuck with it until it breaks."

Here is another hint that may end up saving you a ton of headache: If a chicas page / friends list consists of 99. 9% mongers, the profile is most likely a fake account.

Example: Check Camila Velasquez page / friend's list / time line against Wendy's page / friend's list / time line.

No charge gents.[/QUOTE]I don't expect everyone to think the facebook idea was perfect but, constructive criticism is what makes things work. Imagine if when Jackson wanted to start this website all his friends bashed him and said, HEY, if people don't have to pay for membership to read reviews you are screwing yourself. Yet, he considered his options, worked on the plans, and BAM here we all are using his site and enjoying it.

Sometimes you have to keep an open mind and just sit back and relax. Win or lose it is still a viable option. I don't have 1500 posts and I am new to P4P. I am not here to boast about the women I save or how much I have spent on the chicas in my years. I have only been with 1 Colombian chica for over two years and it was a complete loss. So now I'm here to have some fun. I understand that Facebook girls for the most part don't want thousands of messages daily and that is not my intention. Obviously, not everyone here is taking time to sit back and consider what the concept was about. It was all about intel just like ISG but with access to info on their facebook to make contact. I didn't plan on having 1, 000 friends on the account. Again, it's a concept at the moment and open to changes and considerations.

SavePros, I come here like everyone to gain access to intel. That is what the site is for. And that should be what the Facebook site is for as well. For those that just want to chat in facebook. Many of the members here have no desire or understanding of facebook and they obviously won't use it. You are too quick to criticize others. We all have our unique personalities but review your past dozen posts and see the pattern that you can come off quite negative towards others. If that's just your personality then that's on you but you shouldn't constantly be negative. You have been in this field for awhile and just be happy and enjoying life. Not so damn negative.

[QUOTE=Razor77;1509992]We all have our unique personalities but review your past dozen posts and see the pattern that you can come off quite negative towards others. If that's just your personality then that's on you but you shouldn't constantly be negative. You have been in this field for awhile and just be happy and enjoying life. Not so damn negative.[/QUOTE]You mean, negative towards a troll like Colombian Jake? The last two posts he's made state "Colombia Jake Hotel and Tours and Thread under user Threads!" when this clown hasn't posted in his own Colombia Jake thread since September.

I merely made the suggestion that he and Av8r would have better luck in reaching their target audience by opening their own user threads. Av8r's Liquid Strip user thread seems to be doing just fine and is working as predicted. How is that negative?

Negative, like pointing out that there are possibly two facebook profiles that are either fake or complicit in setting gringos up to get robbed or extorted (or both)?

We on this board have forever been cautioning and informing other mongers of the various pitfalls involved in this game. Perfect example of this is guys taking each mongering destination as a "one size fits all approach" and not tailoring their approach accordingly.

Do whatever you like with the facebook group. I was only pointing out that you should be prepared for any backlash that results from bogus information being given out to your group by some random stranger who you've friended on fb (hell, most of the guys on here lie about what they have paid for sex with a certain chica. Some even lie about chicas they have been with. These are the easiest to spot because the only photos they have of said chica is the one they rip from her facebook profile).

Are you prepared to be fingered as the point man as the result of some bobo's stupidity and deceit?

Medellin is not Costa Rica, is not Thailand, is not Sosua, etc. Life is cheap down here.

This info confirms what SlamCity7777 posted earlier this week.

Taken from C R T and [b]posted by Estebanh[/b]:

[i]"I am passing on second hand information from a reliable source:

A gringo visitor invited a chica he had connected with on Facebook to his apartment. Apparently, she was __________ and he was unaware of _______. She was followed shortly by two (fake) cops. They demanded and got $3000.00 from the guy.

This is all unconfirmed and normally I would not spread innuendo, but this is important stuff to know. If people get the idea they can do this, it will happen more.

If I get more info about this, I will post.

Edited to comply with the rule 22. I know TweedleDee is very sensitive about this subject.

[b]UPDATE:

It has been confirmed that the gringo in question was taken for a very large sum of money by fake cops.[/b]

These are 2 girls in question Manuela Manu and Camilla Cordona:

[url]https://www.facebook.com/people/Camila-Cardona/100001717641134[/url]

[url]https://www.facebook.com/manuelamanu0?fref=ts[/url]

They will come to your apartment and then later send their fake cop friends to extort money from you."[/i]

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This broad actually sent me a friend request last week. After I saw this posted on Dec 14th I promptly ex-communicated her ass (or "them").

You can tell they are fake cops because real cops in Colombia and Costa Rica can be bribed for MUCH less LOL.

I've never advised anyone to fuck around on Facebook. Even if it's not a scam, much higher chance of the girl being flaky or appearing different than the pics or misrepresenting her personality, services, etc. There is no substitute for a person-to-person meeting and that is all there is to it in my book. I recently met an American guy, very nice dude, but I think he was a bit shy because he seemed to prefer online ads and Facebook to meet the girls. He spent a ton of time scrambling for plan Bs and waiting around. That's my main fear, not some bullshit scam that would have me telling the guys to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off in an instant.

Well this confirms that he might have seen my original post or the other one I made on another board. That's why I was hesitant to post because of the nature of gossip. We could be siting the same second hand story or dude might me siting me on the third hand reference.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1510005]This info confirms what SlamCity7777 posted earlier this week.

Taken from C R T and [b]posted by Estebanh[/b]:

[i]"I am passing on second hand information from a reliable source:

A gringo visitor invited a chica he had connected with on Facebook to his apartment. Apparently, she was __________ and he was unaware of _______. She was followed shortly by two (fake) cops. They demanded and got $3000. 00 from the guy.

This is all unconfirmed and normally I would not spread innuendo, but this is important stuff to know. If people get the idea they can do this, it will happen more.

If I get more info about this, I will post.

Edited to comply with the rule 22. I know TweedleDee is very sensitive about this subject..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1509843]Isn't the whole point of facebook for (prepago) chicas to remain discreet? You are basically talking about compiling the equivalent of an escort site within a facebook group (pictures, prices).

I can imagine there will be a ton of chicas switching off their facebook accounts as a result of a bunch of horny gringos bomb-rushing them with friend requests and exploding their inboxes with requests for "sucky sucky and fucky fucky sin condon. I know you do this. Jim Umptyscrunch said you barebacked him for 80, 000 pesos including anal." Because you can always count on the info of some random guy on the internet (who is looking out for his own interests) to be 100% correct. Not including the guys submitting false info of chicas who are not prepagos and pissing off the wrong Colombiana and Colombiano.

No charge gents.[/QUOTE]Hmm. Yeah, I see your point.

I was just brainstorming a way to try to utilize this Facebook thing, since everybody in Colombia seems to be using it. I don't use Facebook a lot, so I felt a little behind the times. But at the same time, I like places like the Mansion the way they are! There is no substitute for a live, controlled environment; the Mansion, FKK, Campo, etc.

But from the recent posts, it sounds like the scammers are already knee-deep into Facebook. And I suppose, the more you flesh it out, the more it just sounds like a Facebook escort site. The problem with most escort websites is that they always have the face pictures blurred out, and the names used are generic, like "Jasmine" or "Tiffany." There is no accountability to any of it. I have never understood how anyone could use a site like that. Just based on a blurred out picture, you are going to meet a stranger in a strange place, carrying a wallet loaded with cash? Suckers.

[quote=joelover; 1510059]5 hail marys too, to see if this post makes it to the board in this century.

the mansion charges usd$85-90 for aussies, brits and 4 other nationalities that i know personally who have been there. i have full names and these fellas have given me very reliable info in the past about venues in los. reliable sources imho. when i mentioned the $220 charge for yanks, they laffffffed and said, yeah, they know.

they, along with me are thighland pro hunters specializing in non-pro (85%) , semi-pro (14%) and total pros (1%). we avoid all soapies. out of the group i'm the only one who has not been to medellin yet.

i'm at the top of my game both moneywise stateside and pussywise everywhere and i'm fuckin 63. all my buddies stateside are living with wives. most have not seen a single other pussy in 10 years or more.

looking forward to medellin. will be there for at least a month next year. straight to the hotel, fck the mansion or any of the scammers, posers and bums in medellin. we go straight to el posado or el rosado or whatever hehehe and begin the hunt.

2 weeks in costa rica first to take my spanish back up to level 3. the subjunctive is where i work my magic but i'm so fckin rusty after learning and speaking thai for years i've forgotten soooooo much spanish. would not dare trying to bring down young antelope without the lingo for i'm a closer and lingo is super important weaponry to me. the others are young studs and have bigger harder dicks, all i got is my speech and tongue but with that i can take out the young uns in a one on one. [p]lay smart and play to win.[/quote]joe, your post made it to the board of the century. you've been noticed. i am curious what does it mean to "play smart and win?"

no doubt with your being at the top of your game that you'll bring down droves of those "young antelopes." no doubt after you have come and deflowered the prime of the young girls here, when you leave they will all have a warm place in their hearts for you. or is that only for losers, as we know you plan to win.

only good energy, amigo. you need some.

I'm from US and I paid upfront for 2 days in La Mansion which is their requirement for resservations, by credit card and was charged on my card around $200, would have been $85 if by Paypal so maybe that's where you got $85-90 from. But from their website the room I wanted went for 158,000 pesos which equals around 85 with 25% added fort credit card comes out to $100.

[QUOTE=JoeLover; 1510184]Hotel Intercontinental $132. Holiday Inn $135. Sheraton $147. Hotel Ibis $56. Hotel Estelar Blue $130. Marriott (none)

Rooms always booked for 2 adults, works in Thigh-land, oughtta work in Medellin.

No apartments, no houses for the hunt.

Joe[/QUOTE]You obviously know absolutely nothing about Colombia and are setting yourself up for an epic fail.

[QUOTE=JoeLover; 1510059]5 hail marys too, to see if this post makes it to the board in this century.

The Mansion charges USD$85-90 for Aussies, Brits and 4 other nationalities that I know personally who have been there. I have full names and these fellas have given me very reliable info In the past about venues in LOS. Reliable sources IMHO. When I mentioned the $220 charge for yanks, they laffffffed and said, yeah, they know...[/QUOTE]1. The "mansion" doesn't charge anybody $220. For a room.

2."We are planning to duplicate this together in Medellin sometime next year. We have a bet amongst us. The first guy who fails and succumbs to a pro woman pays dinner and drinks for the gang for a whole week."

I have news for you, you're all going to fail.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1510361]You obviously know absolutely nothing about Colombia and are setting yourself up for an epic FAIL.[/QUOTE]Pride before the fall? Stay humble lest you be humbled? The fatal flaw of all great warriors and heroes. Hubris?

You can't compare your "success" in SEA to what might happen in Colombia. Loud mouth jerks get treated as such in to South America IMO. No need for such bravado here either. Nobody here to impress or gives a flying fudge about how great your are.

Also nobody cares that you're 63, making great money in the states and can't get laid at home. Wonder why? Hahaha.

If you want to report back, ask some questions right on. If you want to be a dbag and brag about yourself. Got nothing for ya homie!

You'll like SEA better.

[QUOTE=JoeLover;1510027]A torrent of effluvium that would make H2S a saint, shot out of both barrels the moment I pried the legs apart and blew me out the fucking window and into the pool. I just kept swimming and didn't stop.[/QUOTE]That's because you went with a skank, there are skanks in every city in the world. I'm glad you didn't like the DR, one less a-hole for my lady friends to have to tolerate.

[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1510364]1. The "mansion" doesn't charge ANYBODY $220. For a room.

2."We are planning to duplicate this together in Medellin sometime next year. We have a bet amongst us. The first guy who fails and succumbs to a pro woman pays dinner and drinks for the gang for a whole week."

I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU, YOU"RE ALL GOING TO FAIL.

3."Get a hotel fellas, don't let yourselves be taken"

THE HOTEL IS GOING TO BUTT R*PE YOU.[/QUOTE]Come on, now. Tut! Tut! Let them have fun. No need to be mean.

That being said, in this oldest profession in the history of the world, there have always been Johns who think that they have "figured it out", a way to "beat the system." Its as old as civilization. But he must now know that his rep is on the line. And this isn't just bragging in a bar. On the forum, people can always go back and look up EXACTLY what you said.

Remember that movie "Chasing Amy?" ". Every man needs to believe that they are Marco f#$*ng Polo when it comes to sex. Things would just roll a lot easier if everyone would just realize that there is nothing under the sun that hasn't been done long before you ever got here."

[QUOTE=Vlg55;1510315]I'm from US and I paid upfront for 2 days in La Mansion which is their requirement for resservations, by credit card and was charged on my card around $200, would have been $85 if by Paypal so maybe that's where you got $85-90 from. But from their website the room I wanted went for 158,000 pesos which equals around 85 with 25% added fort credit card comes out to $100.[/QUOTE]You get nailed paying with a credit card at the Mansion.

Used a credit card to make my first reservation at the Mansion as there was no way around it.

After my first trip I just leave a deposit for my next trip in cash. And when I know when I'm coming down next I just call them up and have the full amount applied to my reservation.

And he wants to hang and bang. You can count me in if you are as good as this guy:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoBztCCWfts[/url]

[QUOTE=JoeLover; 1510184]Hotel Intercontinental $132. Holiday Inn $135. Sheraton $147. Hotel Ibis $56. Hotel Estelar Blue $130. Marriott (none)

Bummer, no Marriott in Medellin, would be my 1st choice and rack up some nice points on my Chase Marriott Card.

Ibis? Avoid, same option in BKK but young antelope want to see higher.

Estelar Blue is a could be but most likely will go to the antelope-soother, Sheraton.

Rooms always booked for 2 adults, works in Thigh-land, oughtta work in Medellin.

No apartments, no houses for the hunt...[/QUOTE]Colombia is not SEA. The high end hotels will charge you a chica fee even if you reserve for 2. They want the girl to check in with you and stay the whole trip and not a different girl every night. The rules are always changing with these hotels. I would avoid the headache altogether and go for apartments.

[QUOTE=Cali Hentai; 1510438]And he wants to hang and bang. You can count me in if you are as good as this guy:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoBztCCWfts[/url][/QUOTE]Cali, that's a perfect analogy, awesome.

[QUOTE=JoeLover;1510328]

so before we zero in on the target a good bit of prelim observation is reqd, then straight out asking during the dance or conversation,"Mee Fehn, mai krap?" I take it even further by pressing the issue," Neh jai, krap?" "Khao toht, mai gohawk phom, dai mai, krap" or some such equivalent but with a smile and firm demeanor.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlZbsU2bXN8&feature=player_detailpage[/url][/QUOTE]

Ummmm great post Joe!!
We're all rootin for ya and your posse.
You seem to be truly the 'Man' among men and I already admire you.


[QUOTE=SlamCity7777; 1510367]No need for such bravado here either. Nobody here to impress or gives a flying fudge about how great your are.

Also nobody cares that you're 63, making great money in the states and can't get laid at home. Wonder why? Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Is it just me, or did this Joe just escape from the loony bin LOL

[QUOTE=Cali Hentai;1510438]And he wants to hang and bang. You can count me in if you are as good as this guy:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoBztCCWfts[/url][/QUOTE]

Lmao watching that clip!
Joe's in town!!
Go get em big Joe!!

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1509976]These girls get totally overloaded with messages and friend requests. I was in the DR last week and I let a very run of the mill puta use my IPad to go on Facebook and I could not believe the traffic she had blowing through her account, she had over 50 messages waiting for her and over a hundred friend requests when she logged on. She had 3 guys she was calling her their novia and asking them all to buy her everything from a tablet to furniture for her house, I wanted to puke. [/QUOTE]Keep in mind these chicas have thirsty SIMPS like the one in this vid texting them 30 times a day with google translator in tow: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pma_tIQY4rg[/url]

[QUOTE=JoeLover; 1510383]If you mean hooker, that was no hooker. Go to the govt. Fin. Office 4 blocks in, and ask for the manager. 2nd floor. That's her. Not the usual massive ass women one sees in DR either. This is a nice slender, sophisticated looking woman. Shocker the way it turned out though. No money involved even though I suggested a gift, her answer was,"do you really see me as needing money?" I left it at that.

We were supposed to follow up with lunch the next day. The rest is history.[/QUOTE]Joe Lover,

Why are you trying so hard to impress complete strangers? If you're as good as you say, so be it! You're 63 and you'll die soon as the guy who has figured out how to win in this wonder game of chasing tail!

Congratulations,

YG

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1510553]Keep in mind these chicas have thirsty SIMPS like the one in this vid texting them 30 times a day with google translator in tow:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pma_tIQY4rg[/url][/QUOTE]This was so damn funny on so many levels. This guy is meeting a woman to make his bribe using a translator. If you can't communicate then how the hell are you going to live with her and have a real relationship. He falls in love with 1 visit and knows she is the one. Lastly, COME ON, the guy is looking for a beard. He needs to leave women alone.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1510553]Keep in mind these chicas have thirsty SIMPS like the one in this vid texting them 30 times a day with google translator in tow:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pma_tIQY4rg[/url][/QUOTE]I actually felt sorry for the bobo in this video clip.

He met a sweet Colombiana with a pretty smile and a nice booty, and now he's just sure he's in love, yet he can't communicate a word with her.

At least he has that great technique with his translator; he taps her leg or winks when he doesn't understand something.

He's a genius!

[QUOTE=JoeLover; 1508598]Newbie mongerer reading this excellent board to prepare for Medellin. So many knowledgeable people here, I know I've come to the right place. Just came across this article to get me started. Can the pros here let me know if the Hotel and\or areas suggested are good? Not much is mentioned about mongering unless of course the bars the author talks about are the hot places.

[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-thelen/a-beginners-guide-to-visiting-medellin-_b_3665261.html[/url][/QUOTE]This is Joe's first post in the Medellin thread. It's appears that Joe is just fu*king with us. But, I must admit that I was taken in, too. I'm pleased to believe that no one could be as much of a rube as Joe pretends to be in his subsequent posts.

Joe, thank your for the entertainment. I hope you enjoy the City of Eternal Spring, the climate, friendly people and beautiful women as much as the rest of us do. They're special!

Only good energy.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1510553]Keep in mind these chicas have thirsty SIMPS like the one in this vid texting them 30 times a day with google translator in tow:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pma_tIQY4rg[/url][/QUOTE]This dude is discussing the Visa process on the first date, LOL. Hopefully after he has his wallet drained a few time from a Western Union novia he will discover this board and start over correctly! He's 45, so he's still got time.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1510740]This is Joe's first post in the Medellin thread. It's appears that Joe is just fu*king with us. But, I must admit that I was taken in, too. I'm pleased to believe that no one could be as much of a rube as Joe pretends to be in his subsequent posts.

Joe, thank your for the entertainment. I hope you enjoy the City of Eternal Spring, the climate, friendly people and beautiful women as much as the rest of us do. They're special!

Only good energy.[/QUOTE]Thank you for saying what most of us were thinking, LOL. We get them (trolls) every now and again.

[QUOTE=JoeLover; 1508598]Newbie mongerer reading this excellent board to prepare for Medellin. So many knowledgeable people here, I know I've come to the right place. Just came across this article to get me started. Can the pros here let me know if the Hotel and\or areas suggested are good? Not much is mentioned about mongering unless of course the bars the author talks about are the hot places.

[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-thelen/a-beginners-guide-to-visiting-medellin-_b_3665261.html[/url][/QUOTE]Maybe he means he is a Newbie monger to this FORUM.

The guy obviously has a wealth of knowledge from his mongering in Thailand.

[QUOTE=JoeLover; 1510561]Yes, I know that, but I've worked around that for several countries. I've never yet paid a chica fee in the last 4 years for 6 diverse countries. Colombia not included. I set it all up in advance. My usual is Marriott. Com on Visa Signature Card from Chase. Corporate sends the message to the local hotel in advance of my arrival that there are to be no restrictions. For confirmation at check-in I reiterate and confirm.

Marriott BKK on Sukh Soi 57 nver ever a problem and the chicas just love the place. The buffet breakfast is so stunning the chicies never want to leave, hahahahaha. And dig this, since I get the room signed in for 2, there is no additional charge for brekky, otherwise its 500 Baht per person.

Furthermore how many chicas are they going to see per 1-week stay? Most likely just one, but sometimes 2. Why so? If the girl (all non-pros only) I pick up is hot hot hot and we have good chemistry, she's mine for the whole week. I've never had to go more than 2 chicks per trip to find a winning-chemistry-date.

Never had a problem with this.

I cannot imagine Colombia will stump me on this one. Since Marriott is not available I don't mind paying a higher hotel rate elsewhere but will get the chica factor cleared before arrival and then again before check-in.

Joe.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=tJsBNzvY0GE[/url][/QUOTE]I've stayed at the JW Marriot on Sukhumvit Soi 2 many times, and loved it, but Colombia is vastly different. (yes, it's quite an accomplishment to impress a farm girl from Issan who has grown up eating grasshoppers with the breakfast buffet at the Marriot lol) I would never stay at a hotel here in Medellin. Even disregarding the way hotels here in Medellin look at foreign guests compared to LOS, an apartment is so much nicer, cheaper, and private. But hey, it's your trip, do it your way.

[QUOTE=Av8r;1510828]Even disregarding the way hotels here in Medellin look at foreign guests.[/QUOTE]Can you elaborate?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1510553]Keep in mind these chicas have thirsty SIMPS like the one in this vid texting them 30 times a day with google translator in tow:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pma_tIQY4rg[/url][/QUOTE]That was hilarious."what's her last name?" I don't know but I want to get her a fucking visa, hahaha. Wow, just Wow.

[QUOTE=JoeLover; 1510561]Yes, I know that, but I've worked around that for several countries. I've never yet paid a chica fee in the last 4 years for 6 diverse countries. Colombia not included. I set it all up in advance. My usual is Marriott. Com on Visa Signature Card from Chase. Corporate sends the message to the local hotel in advance of my arrival that there are to be no restrictions. For confirmation at check-in I reiterate and confirm.

Marriott BKK on Sukh Soi 57 nver ever a problem and the chicas just love the place. The buffet breakfast is so stunning the chicies never want to leave, hahahahaha. And dig this, since I get the room signed in for 2, there is no additional charge for brekky, otherwise its 500 Baht per person.

Furthermore how many chicas are they going to see per 1-week stay? Most likely just one, but sometimes 2. Why so? If the girl (all non-pros only) I pick up is hot hot hot and we have good chemistry, she's mine for the whole week. I've never had to go more than 2 chicks per trip to find a winning-chemistry-date.

Never had a problem with this.

I cannot imagine Colombia will stump me on this one. Since Marriott is not available I don't mind paying a higher hotel rate elsewhere but will get the chica factor cleared before arrival and then again before check-in.

Joe.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=tJsBNzvY0GE[/url][/QUOTE]OMG. I try to live and let live, but this is getting to be a bit much. Been casually reading JoeLover's posts. I have never seen / heard someone talk so much smack BEFORE they get to Colombia. Even when people are lying, at least they pretend to talk smack about what they think they have already achieved, not about what they are going to do. And to top it all off, he is asking Colombia regulars for tips.

Man, you better have some serious game. Colombia women are sweet, but they are not fools. If you are not careful, they will just let you believe what you want to believe, and rob you blind. Approaching a different country and culture that you are visiting and fellow mongers there with such disrespect is going to get you in trouble.

Part of me is rooting for you. They other part. Well.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1510867]That was hilarious."what's her last name?" I don't know but I want to get her a fucking visa, hahaha. Wow, just Wow.[/QUOTE]When that white guy is heating up the TV diner, sitting in front of the TV, eating on a TV tray, and saying he's not lonely? Dude! I wanted to cry!

He did have a very traditional view of love and was a bit of a romatic. Hard to hate on a normal guy like that. The Visa dude. Easy to hate on a chump like that! He's begging to be made an example of!

10 sad sacks and 100+ desperate girls? How on earth do these guys who claim to be "looking for the one!" think they're going to find her in a ocean of desperation?

Like anything worth while in life you have to work hard for it! Taking the easy way out always gets you the easy result! The struggle is the blessing!

Sad the way the girls get played in this piece? LL (not going to use her name becuse if she googles her own name and finds this board. Lord help us!) does real nice work! Liked her since her MTV days. She's great on Cuttent TV. When I still paid for cable (waste of money!)

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1510875]OMG. I try to live and let live, but this is getting to be a bit much. Been casually reading JoeLover's posts. I have never seen / heard someone talk so much smack BEFORE they get to Colombia. Even when people are lying, at least they pretend to talk smack about what they think they have already achieved, not about what they are going to do. And to top it all off, he is asking Colombia regulars for tips.

Man, you better have some serious game. Colombia women are sweet, but they are not fools. If you are not careful, they will just let you believe what you want to believe, and rob you blind. Approaching a different country and culture that you are visiting and fellow mongers there with such disrespect is going to get you in trouble.

Part of me is rooting for you. They other part. Well.[/QUOTE]He pissed me off telling others in the Colombia retirement thread that Colombia was too violent yet the guy never visited. I threw in my 2 cents. He is use to "Safe and secure" Thailand. Well, like Manny says. Colombia women are not the same as your Thai's. These women know how to work and will take you for your arrogance. Also Joe, STOP TALKING ABOUT ANTELOPES! WTF?

[QUOTE=Razor77;1510895]He pissed me off telling others in the Colombia retirement thread that Colombia was too violent yet the guy never visited. I threw in my 2 cents. He is use to "Safe and secure" Thailand. Well, like Manny says. Colombia women are not the same as your Thai's. These women know how to work and will take you for your arrogance. Also Joe, STOP TALKING ABOUT ANTELOPES! WTF?[/QUOTE]Razor77 you are confusing 'Joe Rilla' with JoeLover, although they are both trolls and are probably the same person using two different user names. I personally think enough attention has been giving to this this blusterer, although at least we got Orgasmico's funny post out of it all. How do you get rid of a troll anyway? Can you use a book of spells or do you need to be an actual wizard?

Guys,

For sale 39% of Hotel Medellin Plaza 1 and 2, does not include the property.

$300, 000 USD.

Aussie Greg.

[QUOTE=SeizeTheDay;1510910]How do you get rid of a troll anyway? Can you use a book of spells or do you need to be an actual wizard?[/QUOTE]LMAO!

The only magic spell that always seems to work is to ignore them and they eventually go away.

A buddy of mine who"s been in town for the last 10 days just sent me this message "I fuck and fuck and fuck, I need to get a life" LOL

Whatever, dude.

[QUOTE=JoeLover; 1510914]Monger (original) definition: Derivative / shortening of 'working girl monger'. Anyone who actively partakes in P4P. Updated recently to include fellas like me because there is no such thing as free pussy We all pay and I generally pay more and do so willingly with aplomb, effervescence and glistening giving.

When it comes to working girls I do pay just like everybody else. But I engage in this activity very sparingly for it sure dulls the senses, the fighting spirit and takes a man sooooo far away from his natural urge to fight for his daily sustenance in the spirit of a game. Scoring pussy has always been a game and will always be so, the laziness of current hunters notwithstanding.

I'm 6-6, don't do gyms, but my body has almost no fat on it, but I get pains in my knees sometimes in the middle of a date and wince in sheer agony that lasts perhaps 1 whole minute. The girls find this quite endearing and love me for my weakness (es) because they (the weaknesses) pale in comparison to the fact that I brought down an antelope (her) with sheer verve, skill and finesse. They recognise this and nothing else matters to 'them. They are mine for life to call upon when I wish.

Still, I can't help feeling in the middle of the night that this night might be my last for I tell you there is no pleasure greater than going on a date with a beautiful woman and gently leaning her toward the transition point where she "falls for you"

No amount of money earned gives such a satisfaction. The sex that follows is icing but it pales in comparison to witnessing that delicate transition point. Its a closer's paradise that resides in the domain of psycholgical skill.

Like riding a cycle, this skill works in any country on any woman, and will therefore work in Medellin too. Women are women regardless the nationality and they are all built the same way, namely that sex outflowed must equate to money (cash convertibles) inflowed. Trouble abounds when this equation is messed with, tampered with, or upset due to cheating, subterfuge etc. I always give way more value in terms of gifts etc, that the equivalent value in terms of money to non-pros.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JoeLover; 1510914]Monger (original) definition: Derivative / shortening of 'working girl monger'. Anyone who actively partakes in P4P. Updated recently to include fellas like me because there is no such thing as free pussy We all pay and I generally pay more and do so willingly with aplomb, effervescence and glistening giving.

When it comes to working girls I do pay just like everybody else. But I engage in this activity very sparingly for it sure dulls the senses, the fighting spirit and takes a man sooooo far away from his natural urge to fight for his daily sustenance in the spirit of a game. Scoring pussy has always been a game and will always be so, the laziness of current hunters notwithstanding.

I'm 6-6, don't do gyms, but my body has almost no fat on it, but I get pains in my knees sometimes in the middle of a date and wince in sheer agony that lasts perhaps 1 whole minute. The girls find this quite endearing and love me for my weakness (es) because they (the weaknesses) pale in comparison to the fact that I brought down an antelope (her) with sheer verve, skill and finesse. They recognise this and nothing else matters to 'them. They are mine for life to call upon when I wish.

Still, I can't help feeling in the middle of the night that this night might be my last for I tell you there is no pleasure greater than going on a date with a beautiful woman and gently leaning her toward the transition point where she "falls for you"

No amount of money earned gives such a satisfaction. The sex that follows is icing but it pales in comparison to witnessing that delicate transition point. Its a closer's paradise that resides in the domain of psycholgical skill.

Like riding a cycle, this skill works in any country on any woman, and will therefore work in Medellin too. Women are women regardless the nationality and they are all built the same way, namely that sex outflowed must equate to money (cash convertibles) inflowed. Trouble abounds when this equation is messed with, tampered with, or upset due to cheating, subterfuge etc. I always give way more value in terms of gifts etc, that the equivalent value in terms of money to non-pros.

With working girls I first establish the price and make it firm and agreed upon. This way I don't participate in gringo hyperinflation. But then, I tip soooo much upon this base price that the woman just loves dear Joe sooo much. You see, the way I sell.

Regardless the product, both the fucker and fuckee win. That's just the way it is for me. I love my conquests dearly and respect them all. But make no mistake about the kill\jugular bite, it has tons of science and precision behind it and is done with painstaking preparation.

God, do I love it so!

Joe.

In honor of the beautiful women who have been so nice to bestow upon me such pleasure.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yDxE9SaqUtI[/url][/QUOTE]If we all agree that you're the most triumphant male pussy warrior that this planet has ever seen, will you STFU?

Really, enough guy.

We've seen your video (thanks to Cali Hentai)
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoBztCCWfts[/url]
You hang and bang.

We get it.

Shit I leave for less than a week and look at this shit show.

No more reports from me for a bit, I left MDE and the next stop for this kind of action is Lima in February. If I get bored there, I will probably return to the eternal spring.

So I made a visit to Energy (My favorite) today. It was a pretty weak lineup with just 6 girls. They might of been busy with a lot of the girls in rooms or just a typical Monday, I'm not sure. I eventually ended up with Sophia; long straight black hair, white skin, fake D's and a butt you'd see in a lot of rap videos. She had an alright face but I believe most guys will choose her for her body.

Looks. 6 She was alright, looks wise. I think some guys may rate her higher but I wasn't really feeling her face when I got up close and personal. She did have an amazing body with thick thighs, a horses behind and fake D's. Her pussy was also very clean and looked pretty fresh.

Services. 7 Although she gave the worst blow job I ever had in Medellin because of her teeth, she really knew how to ride your cock, especially in reverse cowgirl. She would make her butt cheeks clap and had pretty good pussy control, especially when you're about to blow your load. Massage was weak, she loves to cuddle afterwards and didn't allow kissing.

Attitude. 6 She tried to make it an great experience but I just wasn't feeling it. YMMV and you may have a good experience because when I went in, I was all sexed out.

Have any of you taken JetBlue to MDE through FLL? Did you have to change terminals or go through security again? I think I remember reading somewhere that you need to hop in a taxi (not sure ). Any trains between terminals?

Thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1511220]Have any of you taken JetBlue to MDE through FLL? Did you have to change terminals or go through security again? I think I remember reading somewhere that you need to hop in a taxi (not sure ). Any trains between terminals?

Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]I've taken JetBlue to MDE from FLL. FLL is a smart airport. It's very easy and I was in the same terminal with my connection.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1511221]I've taken JetBlue to MDE from FLL. FLL is a smart airport. It's very easy and I was in the same terminal with my connection.[/QUOTE]Great. Thanks for the info.

Medellin should be considered the female "straight teeth capital of the world". I'm running through my list and I'm like "damn, which one of you DON'T have braces?", LOL.

Nothing wrong with having straight teeth, but it's mostly understood that they (braces) are worn mostly as a fashion accessory than anything. Some of them would probably wear these damn things until they are 30+.

Hi YG.

Shows how quickly things can change in any mongering venue. Last week, everyone was saying the lineup at Energy was excellent.

Back in Chicago now. Supposed to get below 0 degrees tonight. Wind chill. 18.

[QUOTE=YG365; 1511191]So I made a visit to Energy (My favorite) today. It was a pretty weak lineup with just 6 girls. They might of been busy with a lot of the girls in rooms or just a typical Monday, I'm not sure. I eventually ended up with Sophia; long straight black hair, white skin, fake D's and a butt you'd see in a lot of rap videos. She had an alright face but I believe most guys will choose her for her body.

Looks. 6 She was alright, looks wise. I think some guys may rate her higher but I wasn't really feeling her face when I got up close and personal. She did have an amazing body with thick thighs, a horses behind and fake D's. Her pussy was also very clean and looked pretty fresh.

Services. 7 Although she gave the worst blow job I ever had in Medellin because of her teeth, she really knew how to ride your cock, especially in reverse cowgirl. She would make her butt cheeks clap and had pretty good pussy control, especially when you're about to blow your load. Massage was weak, she loves to cuddle afterwards and didn't allow kissing.

Attitude. 6 She tried to make it an great experience but I just wasn't feeling it. YMMV and you may have a good experience because when I went in, I was all sexed out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo; 1511267]Hi YG.

Shows how quickly things can change in any mongering venue. Last week, everyone was saying the lineup at Energy was excellent.[/QUOTE]Excellent point.

Between girls quitting, switching locations, occupied, or being off for the day you never know what you will find. I have a friend that goes to the El Centro casas most days. He knows most of the girls in the scene. For a guy on a short trip it's a crapshoot.

Most guys go to the first place and pick a girl. Many forget that there are 30+ casas in El Centro. The best thing to do is have some patience until something clicks. Sometimes this can be hard to do when you are on the hunt.

[QUOTE=Combo; 1511267]Hi YG.

Shows how quickly things can change in any mongering venue. Last week, everyone was saying the lineup at Energy was excellent.

Back in Chicago now. Supposed to get below 0 degrees tonight. Wind chill. 18.[/QUOTE]Hey Combo,

Ya, it was nice meeting you on this trip! I just choose wrong. I passed over a few girls that looked great and had positive reviews for someone that caught my eye. Stay warm and think about the DR! LOL. I was freezing here in Medellin with the temperature around 60-70 degrees.

YG

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1511221]I've taken JetBlue to MDE from FLL. FLL is a smart airport. It's very easy and I was in the same terminal with my connection.[/QUOTE]Jetblue = Awesome!

Merry Christmas! Feliz Navidad everybody!

Maybe somebody on the ground in Colo can report if everything slows down greatly from now till after new years still? I am interested to see if this still holds true

[QUOTE=JoeLover; 1510184]In the exotic field of bringing down young antelope the sweetest point before the jugular bite is when the soft, ever so imperceptible transition occurs to "falling for = smitten". During this seen-in-the-eyes-softening transition the mellifluous vapor exuded (ever soooo lightly) from the antelope's body is the confirmation signal to drop the closing question within the next 90 seconds. The foundation rule of closing applies in spades for the duration immediately following the delivery of the closing qt. = first person who speaks, loses. Do not break this rule, ever.

All of the above is missed and wasted when hunting professionals. Gone is the molasses, the sweet signals, the reach & withdraw mechanism, the overt-motivator sequence, the electric rush when you lay your hand on her arm and feel the hair rise and the cheeks get flushed etc, etc. All such exotic pleasures are missed when hitting dick-absorption machines.

Joe[/QUOTE]Joe.

Do you have any photos of yourself at the kill?

I think it would help if we knew for sure that you are really bringing down beautiful antelope and not some wildebeest.

Many chicas in casas and on calles have cold now. Be careful and avoid virus.

[QUOTE=Vegas Jeff; 1511293]Excellent point.

Between girls quitting, switching locations, occupied, or being off for the day you never know what you will find. I have a friend that goes to the El Centro casas most days. He knows most of the girls in the scene. For a guy on a short trip it's a crapshoot.

Most guys go to the first place and pick a girl. Many forget that there are 30+ casas in El Centro. The best thing to do is have some patience until something clicks. Sometimes this can be hard to do when you are on the hunt.[/QUOTE]

In order to be a Colombian citizen, you have to have a perpetual cough, running nose and gastritis. ALWAYS GASTRITIS LOL

Sorry guys, the new dude ranch will be * 5 star, all inclusive for food and tours, it will have a price per night equivalent.

A. G.

[QUOTE=Aussie Greg; 1511562]Sorry guys, the new dude ranch will be * 5 star, all inclusive for food and tours, it will have a price per night equivalent.

A. G.[/QUOTE]No thanks, I saw the movie [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Jr7af1FrQ[/url]

[QUOTE=TweedleD; 1511575]No thanks, I saw the movie.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Jr7af1FrQ[/url][/QUOTE]I forgot people talked like that.

Yes, we will have canoeing excursion's! But a different kind of company! And a climax better than a bullet and arrow!

A. G.

Merry Christmas Everyone. Cheers! Bottoms Up!

Okay, I know that Hotel Medellin Plaza girls are 150 COP. Now, if a guy does not want to do any casas / strip joints / MPs and stick with Mansion girls at that rate, what is the advantage of Medellin as a destination compared to say the San Jose Costa Rica hotels like the Del Ray and Sportsman where one can usually negotiate the typical Del Ray girl down from $100 to an average of $80, which works out to be about the same as the 150 COP if a Mansion girls is pulled?

It seems to be that a trip to HMP and pulling only the Mansion girls compared to a trip to SJ and pulling only Del Ray / Sportsman girls would be comparable, if one does not do any of the casas or MPs. Add the fact that there might be more interesting non-monger activities in Costa Rica compared to Columbia.

Any thoughts on this? I'm trying to justify a trip to Medellin but prefer to bring girls back to my hotel room rather than do casas and MPs.

Have you considered the DR? You can do ST for $25-50. TLN for $50-75. Plus beaches. The DR is a great option if you like darker mulatta types. I'd much rather go to Colombia or the DR than Costa Rica, regardless of cost.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit; 1511757]Okay, I know that Hotel Medellin Plaza girls are 150 COP. Now, if a guy does not want to do any casas / strip joints / MPs and stick with Mansion girls at that rate, what is the advantage of Medellin as a destination compared to say the San Jose Costa Rica hotels like the Del Ray and Sportsman where one can usually negotiate the typical Del Ray girl down from $100 to an average of $80, which works out to be about the same as the 150 COP if a Mansion girls is pulled?

It seems to be that a trip to HMP and pulling only the Mansion girls compared to a trip to SJ and pulling only Del Ray / Sportsman girls would be comparable, if one does not do any of the casas or MPs. Add the fact that there might be more interesting non-monger activities in Costa Rica compared to Columbia.

Any thoughts on this? I'm trying to justify a trip to Medellin but prefer to bring girls back to my hotel room rather than do casas and MPs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cali Hentai; 1511486]Joe.

Do you have any photos of yourself at the kill?

I think it would help if we knew for sure that you are really bringing down beautiful antelope and not some wildebeest.[/QUOTE]Ever had the experience of taking a beautiful antelope to bed at 2 am, and at 8 am look over and see a wildebeest? Damn, I hate that when it happens.

Merry Christmas and only good energy for 2014

[QUOTE=Combo;1511759]Have you considered the DR? You can do ST for $25-50. TLN for $50-75. Plus beaches. The DR is a great option if you like darker mulatta types. I'd much rather go to Colombia or the DR than Costa Rica, regardless of cost.[/QUOTE]Yes I've been to DR. Liked Blackbeard's resort and in Sosua, preferred to bring chicas back to my room rather than the one time I tried Passions using their rooms. I just feel more secure when it's back in my own hotel room since it's my territory rather than some room elsewhere where there might be loud crappy music playing, etc.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;1511829]Yes I've been to DR. Liked Blackbeard's resort and in Sosua, preferred to bring chicas back to my room rather than the one time I tried Passions using their rooms. I just feel more secure when it's back in my own hotel room since it's my territory rather than some room elsewhere where there might be loud crappy music playing, etc.[/QUOTE]Not sure if you are aware of this, but HMP is not a casa or an MP. Since you are familiar with Blackbeard's in PP, it is essentially the same thing. Chicas are invited over to hang out. If you find one you like, you negotiate the price and take her up or back (if staying at HMP 2) to your room onsite.

It's also the same concept as Sportsman's Lodge in SJO.

LT, we got to go back to that steak restaurant mate in Dallas.

AG.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1511803]Ever had the experience of taking a beautiful antelope to bed at 2 am, and at 8 am look over and see a wildebeest? Damn, I hate that when it happens.

Merry Christmas and only good energy for 2014[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1511845]Not sure if you are aware of this, but HMP is not a casa or an MP. Since you are familiar with Blackbeard's in PP, it is essentially the same thing. Chicas are invited over to hang out. If you find one you like, you negotiate the price and take her up or back (if staying at HMP 2) to your room onsite.

It's also the same concept as Sportsman's Lodge in SJO.[/QUOTE]Yes I realize that. This is why I'm asking if HMP in Medellin is worth going to if we already have Del Ray and Sportsman in SJ if the prices are essentially the same. But there might be more to do in CR in terms of other activities as well.

Girls are not 150, 000 COP at HMP, its all up to what you agree to with your little friend.

Time and time again I hear that this is the case, no.

This is what you do.

If you have some Spanish, talk to her without her female friends listening in, say that your here for a long time can not afford what she is asking and that you would like to see her more than just once.

If you have a problem with Spanish, ask Medellin Bob, Big Bad Boyd, Juan in the office, even Alexa can translate for you and many fellow guests are ready to help you out.

Again, many guys negotiate 100, 000 pesos and even lower but because they don't write about it and are not on ISG, you do not hear about it.

A. G.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit; 1511757]Okay, I know that Hotel Medellin Plaza girls are 150 COP. Now, if a guy does not want to do any casas / strip joints / MPs and stick with Mansion girls at that rate, what is the advantage of Medellin as a destination compared to say the San Jose Costa Rica hotels like the Del Ray and Sportsman where one can usually negotiate the typical Del Ray girl down from $100 to an average of $80, which works out to be about the same as the 150 COP if a Mansion girls is pulled?

It seems to be that a trip to HMP and pulling only the Mansion girls compared to a trip to SJ and pulling only Del Ray / Sportsman girls would be comparable, if one does not do any of the casas or MPs. Add the fact that there might be more interesting non-monger activities in Costa Rica compared to Columbia.

Any thoughts on this? I'm trying to justify a trip to Medellin but prefer to bring girls back to my hotel room rather than do casas and MPs.[/QUOTE]

Openning scene "Saving Aussie Greg"

[url]http://youtu.be/8Gk7BUkMD2w[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB2vcxZgaW4[/url]

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;1511829]Yes I've been to DR. Liked Blackbeard's resort and in Sosua, preferred to bring chicas back to my room rather than the one time I tried Passions using their rooms. I just feel more secure when it's back in my own hotel room since it's my territory rather than some room elsewhere where there might be loud crappy music playing, etc.[/QUOTE]Understand your bias.

However, bringing a chica back to your room can be dangerous. Recently in Sosua (check thread) a monger brought a chica back to his room. Chica had a group of robbers storm into the room and force the monger to open his safe at gunpoint. Monger lost up to $5,000US.

[QUOTE=Shamester; 1512103]Understand your bias.

However, bringing a chica back to your room can be dangerous. Recently in Sosua (check thread) a monger brought a chica back to his room. Chica had a group of robbers storm into the room and force the monger to open his safe at gunpoint. Monger lost up to $5, 000US.[/QUOTE]Must have been a pretty crappy hotel without security out front.

Everyone should read Greg's point. While 150, 000 is typical, (I frequently just pay that w / o even discussing it - against my better judgement) , one can definitely bargain a bit with the girls. I have done this a few times when I didn't have that much cash on me and I had no problem. Last Winter I paid a chica 80K (all I had in my wallet) and had an excellent session. As Greg pointed out, some of the girls may not want their friends to hear that they went with you for that much, so discuss it with them privately. 100K-150K is alot of money in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Aussie Greg; 1511861]Girls are not 150, 000 COP at HMP, its all up to what you agree to with your little friend.

Time and time again I hear that this is the case, no.

This is what you do.

If you have some Spanish, talk to her without her female friends listening in, say that your here for a long time can not afford what she is asking and that you would like to see her more than just once.

If you have a problem with Spanish, ask Medellin Bob, Big Bad Boyd, Juan in the office, even Alexa can translate for you and many fellow guests are ready to help you out.

Again, many guys negotiate 100, 000 pesos and even lower but because they don't write about it and are not on ISG, you do not hear about it.

A. G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit; 1511757]Okay, I know that Hotel Medellin Plaza girls are 150 COP. Now, if a guy does not want to do any casas / strip joints / MPs and stick with Mansion girls at that rate, what is the advantage of Medellin as a destination compared to say the San Jose Costa Rica hotels like the Del Ray and Sportsman where one can usually negotiate the typical Del Ray girl down from $100 to an average of $80, which works out to be about the same as the 150 COP if a Mansion girls is pulled?

It seems to be that a trip to HMP and pulling only the Mansion girls compared to a trip to SJ and pulling only Del Ray / Sportsman girls would be comparable, if one does not do any of the casas or MPs. Add the fact that there might be more interesting non-monger activities in Costa Rica compared to Columbia.

Any thoughts on this? I'm trying to justify a trip to Medellin but prefer to bring girls back to my hotel room rather than do casas and MPs.[/QUOTE]There is no advantage, stay home or keep going to CR please.

To answer your question seriously, well, the more expensive and more convenient options are the same as the regular prices in those places, plus you get better selection and quality. I am not sure what you're looking for here. If you just want cheap sex, go to Bolivia, Nicaragua or any other number of destinations where you can fuck for $5-$10. You can find that in MDE, too, but you may have to actually leave your hotel (*gasp*). If you want to just stay in and chill out you're still getting more quality (appearance, service) and selection (many options) in MDE.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt; 1512182]There is no advantage, stay home or keep going to CR please.

To answer your question seriously, well, the more expensive and more convenient options are the same as the regular prices in those places, plus you get better selection and quality. I am not sure what you're looking for here. If you just want cheap sex, go to Bolivia, Nicaragua or any other number of destinations where you can fuck for $5-$10. You can find that in MDE, too, but you may have to actually leave your hotel (*gasp*). If you want to just stay in and chill out you're still getting more quality (appearance, service) and selection (many options) in MDE.[/QUOTE]I concur! Medellin sucks and so if you've never been, stay away! .If you want cheap sex, go to the DR, Africa, Cambodia or stay home and try and find a relationship in your hometown where she'll do it with you for free!

Also, the Mansion sucks and you really feel ripped off. It's only good if the other guests are actually cool and you guys hang out. The girls are alright but I've never seen more than 8 at a time. First timers are better off in Costa Rica.

Peace!

YG

Hey fellas,

I am currently in Medellin. Anybody want to hook up and head to Fase 2 tonite or Friday?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit; 1511757]Okay, I know that Hotel Medellin Plaza girls are 150 COP. Now, if a guy does not want to do any casas / strip joints / MPs and stick with Mansion girls at that rate, what is the advantage of Medellin as a destination compared to say the San Jose Costa Rica hotels like the Del Ray and Sportsman where one can usually negotiate the typical Del Ray girl down from $100 to an average of $80, which works out to be about the same as the 150 COP if a Mansion girls is pulled?

It seems to be that a trip to HMP and pulling only the Mansion girls compared to a trip to SJ and pulling only Del Ray / Sportsman girls would be comparable, if one does not do any of the casas or MPs. Add the fact that there might be more interesting non-monger activities in Costa Rica compared to Columbia.

Any thoughts on this? I'm trying to justify a trip to Medellin but prefer to bring girls back to my hotel room rather than do casas and MPs.[/QUOTE]Go to San Jose. You'll like it more for sure!

Enjoy,

YG

[QUOTE=YG365; 1512192]I concur! Medellin sucks and so if you've never been, stay away! . If you want cheap sex, go to the DR, Africa, Cambodia or stay home and try and find a relationship in your hometown where she'll do it with you for free!

Also, the Mansion sucks and you really feel ripped off. It's only good if the other guests are actually cool and you guys hang out. The girls are alright but I've never seen more than 8 at a time. First timers are better off in Costa Rica.

Peace!

YG[/QUOTE]Sooo not true, The truth about Medellin [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJdQS3v76Cs[/url]

[QUOTE=TweedleD; 1512270]Sooo not true, The truth about Medellin.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJdQS3v76Cs[/url][/QUOTE]LMFAO. That's a dog, it has rabies. That is a fountain, it has parasites and worms. Everyone here has PermaRiaha. Ajjajajajajjajajajajajajajjajajaj.

Love the average depiction of the Colombian woman. Love that ass.

This made my night!

[QUOTE=Aussie Greg; 1511857]LT, we got to go back to that steak restaurant mate in Dallas.

AG.[/QUOTE]You have an open invitation, amigo

[QUOTE=TweedleD; 1512270]Sooo not true, The truth about Medellin.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJdQS3v76Cs[/url][/QUOTE]Sorry, I was being sarcastic. Trying to keep Medellin, Colombia a secret for as long as possible!

[QUOTE=ChanningV2013; 1512194]Hey fellas,

I am currently in Medellin. Anybody want to hook up and head to Fase 2 tonite or Friday?[/QUOTE]Hey,

Did you end up going? I went there last night and was very impressed with quality. I may go again tonite or tomorrow. Let me know if you go. I'm staying at Mansion.

[QUOTE=Paulie9798; 1512460]Hey,

Did you end up going? I went there last night and was very impressed with quality. I may go again tonite or tomorrow. Let me know if you go. I'm staying at Mansion.[/QUOTE]They seem to be good every other night. Let me know if they're staffed with hot girls 2 nights in a row.

YG

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt; 1512182]There is no advantage, stay home or keep going to CR please.

To answer your question seriously, well, the more expensive and more convenient options are the same as the regular prices in those places, plus you get better selection and quality. I am not sure what you're looking for here. If you just want cheap sex, go to Bolivia, Nicaragua or any other number of destinations where you can fuck for $5-$10. You can find that in MDE, too, but you may have to actually leave your hotel (*gasp*). If you want to just stay in and chill out you're still getting more quality (appearance, service) and selection (many options) in MDE.[/QUOTE]Top cheap places I've seen in my life in South America (USD) :

COP 15000-20000 ($7. 50-$10) for streetgirls in MDE (add COP5000 for the room)
$6 chongos in Quito, Ecuador.
$2. 5 chongos in La Paz, Bolivia.

(the above is not for the average patron of Mansion)

Who knocked-up Wendy???

Get them FB requests in ASAP. The Legendary Wendy Inc just posted that she's with baby!

I wonder if it was a gringo / broken condom, Colombian loser, Colobian Sugar daddy, or one of her WU novios. All jokes and scumbag monger style I do wish her all the best and to her new baby / family.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1512864]Who knocked-up Wendy???[/QUOTE]She's struck paydirt if it's a gringo!

But what a fine specimen to have a baby with

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1512864]Who knocked-up Wendy???[/QUOTE]I thought she said she was getting shots to prevent this. Guess I'm stuck with child support again for another 18 years.

Ongoing thread over at C R T (4 pages at last count). Observe:

[b] Drugged by Colombian Chicas: Be Very Careful Whom You Trust[/b]

Posted [b]by Lilrube55[/b] At C R T:

[i]"I have friends who love traveling to Colombia. One of their great joys is to take girls from Medellin on trips out of the city to Cartagena, Santa Marta or the island of San Andres. Medellin is inland in the mountains and the girls just love going to the beach. So the guys work a deal & pay for everything of course: transportation, accomodations, food, drink and good times are usually had by all. Recently 3 guys took 7 girls to San Andres. Today I heard from one of the guys that apparently the 7 girls wanted to go out and party on Saturday night, without the 3 guys. They drugged the guys who had brought them there and left them passed out at the house to go party. My friend wanted their names to be known as not all of these are new faces, but a mix of some very familiar girls as well as new recruits. The familiar ones were: [b]Kelly Giraldo, Alejandra Correa & Camila Aritzibal[/b]. The relatively new girls were [b]Daniela Loaiza and Danii Suarez, Lau Alvarez and Katherin B. Arias[/b]. Nobody know who provided the drugs but all were apparently OK with doing it. So if any of these are your facebook contacts beware. Especially beware of girls in groups or packs. They will often do things in groups they might not do one on one. But all are now considered a saftey risk. Remember, they are not your friends and they are not your girlfriends. They may be fun but always remember to be very careful out there. 3 very experience travelers have now been recent victims."

"The worst part is one the guys is a diabetic and there could have been very serious health consequences for him. Also heard that afterwards when the very pissed off guys said the girls would not be paid the fit really hit the shan. And after some attempt at negotiations to reach a settlement kelly and camila called the police. And you know Colombian police will always side with Colombian girls in any dispute. What a mess."

"I am waiting for more info. If I get it I will pass it along. And I have no knowledge of any such activity ever occuring at The Hotel Medellin Plaza aka The Mansion. The real disturbing part is the fact the guys were not newbies and that several of the girls were well known to them and ones they considered friends. Perhaps we will never know all the details but I have learned several lessons myself from their experience."[/i]

Posted by [b]Voyager[/b] at C R T:

[i]"been following this story all day, and here are my questions/observations since the fb post has "disappeared", and at least 1 girl that tried to respond had her reply deleted there.

- after being flown to an island
- all 7 girls conspired together
- drugged 3 allegedly experienced mongers
- stole their Jeep... to go clubbing??
- and then came back in the Jeep??
- then the 7 girls spent the night with the 3 guys they had just drugged?

there's been no report that they stole money, jewelry, etc.

and they remained with the guys until returning back to MDE?

and now the entire story has been deleted... except the reports by others on CRT & elsewhere.

damage to the girls' reputations having been done, with no chance of reply, and even the original facebook accusers name isn't associated with this thread...

IMHO if the fb story has been deleted, it would be nice to delete this thread to be consistent

just my thoughts

Regards,

Voyager"[/i]

Posted by [b]Phoenix Rising[/b]:

[i]"I know the diabetic gent who was one of the party well enough to know he is a straight shooter. He corroborated his wingman's report on facebook. No question in my mind that these girls for whatever reason drugged these guys.

The lesson to be learned here... Is not to play over your head. These guys were not equipped to handle these girls on their own. On other occaisons they had Wendy with them, and she kept the other girls in line. Although these guys have been travelling for a while I would not personally consider them experienced enough to go it alone on this type of outing.

You hear stories of this type of thing happening, and you know the girls involved, and you ask, how can it be true? Well the fact is.. Its the guy not the girl. Many chicas have the potential to rob you, steal from you, drug you. If you mow how to handle a chica, all should go fine. . If the guy shows weakness and gives them an opportunity, some girls will take a chance and take The bait. And they don't think about rhe fact that you are diabetic or might die. They never think more than a day ahead.

I asked the facebook poster what he was going to do now?

He responded "stay at the mansion"

Good answer"[/i]

Posted by [b]Estebanh[/b]:

[i]"Wow. Its incredible to me that DGD must be convinced beyond the shadow of a doubt that this occurred.

I know two of the individuals involved. They are both hard working, straight shooting guys that I respect. They are not part of this forum. They took an extended trip to San Andres with a group of nine girls earlier in the year and had a spectacular time with them.

One of the guys shared the story of this last trip to a handful of friends on facebook. He had no apparent motive to share this information with anyone, except as a warning to his friends. The account given by LilRube at the beginning of this thread accurately depicts the information he shared. I spoke with the second gentleman involved and he confirmed what had happened. I also sent a message to the puta considered to be responsible for the drugging. [/b]She did not deny doing it[/b]. She gave me a bullshit "justification" for her actions. The rest of the girls may not have had a direct hand in the drugging, but, by going along with it, they were complicit.

As far as the police being called: The guys told the girls they would not be paid. The girls called the police. Apparently, the police sided with the girls. Why the guys even gave the girls their tickets to come back is a question for them I have, but I was not there. Personally, I would have left them stranded.

Maybe DGD has a soft spot for these putas and cant believe the little angels would do something like this?"[/i]

[QUOTE=Lmarcone; 1512871]She's struck paydirt if it's a gringo!

But what a fine specimen to have a baby with[/QUOTE]Hahhah! She is fine. Now! Shit happens when girls have kids and get older. A observation that I made and words of wisdom to my Amigos in real and fake life. remember this!

There is no greater mistake a man can make than having the wrong woman have his children!

Take that to the bank and book it!

I'm not saying WI specifically but a girl has legal rights to kidnap your kid! If you have the wrong woman have your child. The blessing of all blessings. You can be in for a long life of head and heart ache!

You think a girl with a shopping habit stops when she has a baby? Hell no! She has an entire new set of stores to hit up! That means Daddy needs to come up with $$$$ and then some!

I hope she and the baby lands well and that it's not some Colombian Juancito that will leave her holding the bag, the box, and check of life! Which by the way happens all the time in Colombia! They can't stop Narco Terrorists how the fudge they going to get Juancito and Raul to pay child support? LOL!

could very well be that the entire story is bullshit:

posted by [b]special k[/b]:

[i]"i'm not doubting that something may have occurred on this weekend getaway, however, are we hearing all the facts? this i doubt. the original accuser who intended to tell only a "handful" of friends on his facebook, as esteban put it, probably has hundreds if not thousands of "friends" on his facebook account. [b]this original accuser is also the same person who posted recently on his facebook (which has also since been deleted) of two und*ge gals extorting gringo's who picked them up, brought them to their apartment, f*cked them, and then called their amigo's who posed at cops to shake down the gringo's for excessive amounts of money[/b] (you can read this thread started by esteban here viewtopic. php? f=15&t=44604) again, not denying that something happened but. this dude, the original poster on facebook has got some really bad luck i'd say!"[/i]

slamcity7777, didn't you say that one of these guys is your boy who was on the ground in medellin at the time the extortion story was posted? what is he saying about all of this?

[quote=slamcity7777;1509134]ok. i'm trying to look out for the guys heree. well i have it from 2 second hand reports of some girls running game and playing tricks on gringos. it's the one from a previous frequent poster here and one from my boy on the ground in medellin. both friends of a friend got taken by the "****d / fake cop" trick. i'm not trying to cry wolf but as a community service i wanted to make everybody aware.
[/quote]

who is the "previous frequent poster here"?

Was thinking the same thing when I saw it on her fb page.

Still. I love Wendy, but I'm tired of fucking her. Having a baby with the finest of ho's is still having a baby with a ho.

[QUOTE=Lmarcone;1512871]But what a fine specimen to have a baby with[/QUOTE]

I thought I was reporting on a genuine drugging story that could potentially alert forum members of what and who to watch out for. The more folks I am talking to behind the scenes seem to agree that this is nothing more than just a handful of guys posting bullshit bogus stories (on both the drugging and the fake cops) in order to scare others away (from these so-called scammer chicas) and corner the Facebook chica market for themselves!

PM me for details.

[url]http://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/amolatina[/url]

This, however is real fraud.

[quote=savepros321; 1512902]i thought i was reporting on a genuine drugging story that could potentially alert forum members of what and who to watch out for. the more folks i am talking to behind the scenes seem to agree that this is nothing more than just a handful of guys posting bullshit bogus stories (on both the drugging and the fake cops) in order to scare others away (from these so-called scammer chicas) and corner the facebook chica market for themselves!

pm me for details.[/quote]savepro321,

i consider a homie but he could not be more mistaken!

his"behind the scenes" info is from other forums and guys (i presume) he does not know in flesh, or are even in the country. i got my info from guys who were actually there, living down in medellin so connected into the scene, and chicas who are plugged in!

out of respect for my boys privacy i'm not saying any names; not because i'm full of shit! i know that respect is a strange concept for some guys on various boards.

the three gringos who got taken are all well known dudes on several boards; seasoned mongers who if you are friends with will hook you up with awesome connects and are not the type to try some punk moves like "scaring away" the new guys like pros321 is trying to claim.

my other info comes from local colombians and from guys that live in country with reps much longer than mine or savepros321 (on line sherlock). as i stated before i was fb chatting with dude the entire trip in question and got running updates, the only time my pms went un answered was the time when the "alleged" drugging took place. once things were back to sanity i was told what had happened and he filled me in a few days alter once he calmed down.

i'll give you guys this much, some of the girls in question use the same taxista. his nick name is loco and is a good dude if you're looking for a driver with connects, no ingles, likes weed. (i'll give you guys that one) and i asked him what up and he confirmed that the events actually happened. with various shading from the respective story tellers. but it did happen! it was even mentioned by one of the reports savepro321 quoted from the other board that one girl (possible ring leader) commented and did not deny that it happened. i guess she's involved in the conspiracy to keep gringos away from giving her money! lol!

my info: from one guy who was a victim, the other two long time mongers, a local colombia friend of mine and of several girls involved, and

pros321 info (?): gathered from various message boards, from guys in every country not named colombia and guys / chicas not involved in the events at all?

my info might be second hand but it's at least it was handed to me and not fed to me from other forums and guys 1000 miles away from everything!

is anybody at the mansion right now? anybody in parque lleres right now? from what i hear it's buzzing with the story. if you are staying there please chime in as you being there speaks louder than a bunch of jerks like us in sex jail. yes my guys are in lleres right now so once again i'll stand by my sources of info.

ya dig?

as for the camila cardona, manu manuela, milisa_____, i stand by my rep. and that of my peeps. told by. yes same dude that got drugged. to clear up the confusion of message board drama he was not a victim of the fake cops but was informed by the victim! i've seen many misinformed posts and reports. if i was fooled and spread the lies about them and they are not crooks i'll be sure to tip them extra heavy because i'd be wrong and could now fuck them stupid with out fear of getting shaken down or the threat of violence! because both are super hot! let's be real. both are so pretty "antelope" kill (hahah!) both are insanely hot!

also asked 5 well known, well reviewed, well respected, well loved mansion girls who were / are friends with one or both and all 5 came up with the same answer. i do not know her / them in person just for facebook.

i asked them both about it and now i'm not only de-friended but blocked. i can see that reaction from both the guilty and not guilty prospective.

let's do a test. shall we? it was posted on fb that they would only go to a private apartment. fb message one or two of them (could be controlled by some dude so just do one at a time) and say the usual gring lookig for a date crap. tell them you are at a nice hotel that has security and watch how fast you do not get a reply! or that you are sstaying at the mansion or castle same thing. now have a second gringo say the usual crap and tell them that you are at a private apartment and see how fast the get back to you with the bebe, bb, amor bullshit.

like i said before if i"m wrong and it was likes cool! now i can bring flowers and bang both of those fine antelopes! hahaha!

[QUOTE=Jonesie; 1512890]Was thinking the same thing when I saw it on her fb page.

Still. I love Wendy, but I'm tired of fucking her. Having a baby with the finest of ho's is still having a baby with a ho.[/QUOTE]The dilemma being that some of these Hos are the nicest, friendliest, most fun and most beautiful women we ever have the opportunity to spend time with. They're still real people. I think. Just a little different. Fuck. I'm VERY "different." Bah! Fuck any of you if you're judging.

But its prob best if she deletes all her FB ho shit before the baby starts using an ipad. Eh thats not going to happen.

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777;1512936]

I got my info from guys who were actually there, living down in Medellin so connected into the scene, and chicas who are plugged in!

Out of respect for my boys privacy I'm not saying any names; not because I'm full of shit!

The three gringos who got taken are all well known dudes on several boards; seasoned mongers who if you are friends with will hook you up with awesome connects and are not the type to try some punk moves like "scaring away" the new guys like Pros321 is trying to claim.

My other info comes from local Colombians and from guys that live in country with reps much longer than mine or Savepros321 (On line Sherlock).

Also asked 5 well known, well reviewed, well respected, well loved mansion girls who were / are friends with one or both and all 5 came up with the same answer. I do not know her / them in person just for facebook.

[/QUOTE]

Let's see:

-Info from (phantom) guys (plural) living in Medellin "so connected and plugged into the scene"

-3 seasoned mongers (the same guys that deleted the facebook post of one of the girls who tried to respond to the accusations, only to have her fb comment deleted by the accuser); well known on "several boards" (SlamCity can't gives us any names though. Not so much as even a forum handle)

-(Phantom) Local Colombians (plural) AND (phantom) guys which "long reps" (that none of us here will ever be able to confirm)

-5 "well known, well respected" (phantom) Mansion chicas (whom I guess aren't connected and plugged into the scene since (ironically) they don't know anything)

-A "Nickname" for a (phantom) taxista named "Loco" (yeah, need a taxista? Just ask for "Loco", lmao)

All this from the guy who says:

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777;1512936]Well I have it from 2 second hand reports. Both friends of a friend got taken[/QUOTE]

So tell me again how my info is just

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777;1512936]"behind the scenes" info is from other forums and guys (I presume) he does not know in flesh, or are even in the country[/QUOTE]

????

How do you know who I know and what I know? You can't verify this any more than anyone of us can verify any of the phantom actors you've listed. Hell, Even Estebanh didn't even take (stretch) the story this far (claiming to have a plethora of local Colombian guys, chicas, and taxista information sources)!

Relax gentlemen:

December 28th is like April Fool's day in Colombia so obviously Wendy was kidding about being pregnant. Too much money to be made from her fans travelling to Mde!

[QUOTE=Jonesie; 1512890]Was thinking the same thing when I saw it on her fb page.

Still. I love Wendy, but I'm tired of fucking her. Having a baby with the finest of ho's is still having a baby with a ho.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1512962]Let's see:

-Info from (phantom) guys (plural) living in Medellin "so connected and plugged into the scene"

-3 seasoned mongers (the same guys that deleted the facebook post of one of the girls who tried to respond to the accusations, only to have her fb comment deleted by the accuser) ; well known on "several boards" (SlamCity can't gives us any names though. Not so much as even a forum handle)

- (Phantom) Local Colombians (plural) AND (phantom) guys which "long reps" (that none of us here will ever be able to confirm)

-5 "well known, well respected" (phantom) Mansion chicas (whom I guess aren't connected and plugged into the scene since (ironically) they don't know anything)

-A "Nickname" for a (phantom) taxista named "Loco" (yeah, need a taxista? Just ask for "Loco", lmao)

All this from the guy who says:

So tell me again how my info is just

?

How do you know who I know and what I know? You can't verify this any more than anyone of us can verify any of the phantom actors you've listed. Hell, Even Estebanh didn't even take (stretch) the story this far (claiming to have a plethora of local Colombian guys, chicas, and taxista information sources)![/QUOTE]I am just one more guy who spends a lot of time in Medellin that can confirm that both scams are indeed true. I can't confirm the exact details, but the basic stories are 100% true. I too, will not give out any names, and I could care less whether some choose not to believe me. The *age / cops story has happened to at least 2 guys that I know, and the mess at San Andreas was confirmed as well. I think these situations are pretty rare, and with some simple rules can be avoided, but they should certainly not be discounted.

Of course one of the "accused" chicas just told me that they just took the jeep and went out to eat without informing the guys, but that seems rather suspicious. All 3 guys would have had to have been passed out which seems a stretch.

My "assumption" is that only one of the girls spiked the drinks, and the other girls simply took advantage of the situation.

I have lived in Colombia 12 years now and still do not have any Colombian friends, yes I have a few that I like but no real friends.

[quote=av8r;1513287]i am just one more guy who spends a lot of time in medellin that can confirm that both scams are indeed true. i can't confirm the exact details, but the basic stories are 100% true.[/quote]thanks for chiming in av8r. this also proves that you too "heard that something happened". since you cannot "confirm the exact details", i am assuming your info is second-hand as well.

none of us will ever know "100%" what happened in san andres other than the 10 people directly involved in the incident. at least you didn't claim to have "connected" local colombians, taxistas, and all of medallo pumping you with info.

moral of this story:

-don't fly to medellin and fuck **** chicas expecting nothing bad to happen.

-don't then turn around and spend 3k flying unvetted putas to san andres expecting nothing to go wrong.

i hope we can now get back to talking about good ole medallo. slamcity7777 has been blowing up my inbox in the past few days, despite me not replying to his fanatic ranting. it's so bad that i am going to have to delete some old pm's soon just so i can have enough storage room to receive pm's from everyone else.

i think i have a new fan, or stalker, or both. it's pretty creepy to say the least. he should take a trip or something.

anyway, feliz nuevo año!

so racael is back working after giving birth to a little "mono" niceeeee.

ask her for dahiana g's telephone number "my ex" she will blow your mind!

a. g.

[quote=savepros321; 1513336]thanks for chiming in av8r. this also proves that you too "heard that something happened". since you cannot "confirm the exact details", i am assuming your info is second-hand as well.

none of us will ever know "100%" what happened in san andres other than the 10 people directly involved in the incident. at least you didn't claim to have "connected" local colombians, taxistas, and all of medallo pumping you with info.

moral of this story:

-don't fly to medellin and fuck **** chicas expecting nothing bad to happen.

-don't then turn around and spend 3k flying unvetted putas to san andres expecting nothing to go wrong.

i hope we can now get back to talking about good ole medallo. slamcity7777 has been blowing up my inbox in the past few days, despite me not replying to his fanatic ranting. it's so bad that i am going to have to delete some old pm's soon just so i can have enough storage room to receive pm's from everyone else.

i think i have a new fan, or stalker, or both. it's pretty creepy to say the least. he should take a trip or something.

anyway, feliz nuevo año![/quote]

Been in and out for extended stays for the last 8 and I am the same way.

[QUOTE=Aussie Greg;1513319]I have lived in Colombia 12 years now and still do not have any Colombian friends, yes I have a few that I like but no real friends.[/QUOTE]

This is true. I have 3 Colombianas on my facebook who posted the same thing on the 28th, that they were pregnant, only to post yesterday that it was a "Dia de los inocentes" joke. I can see why so many gringos get played by these girls. Lack of Spanish and knowledge of Colombian customs and culture.

[QUOTE=Average Joe2; 1513021]Relax gentlemen:

December 28th is like April Fool's day in Colombia so obviously Wendy was kidding about being pregnant. Too much money to be made from her fans travelling to Mde![/QUOTE]

The board is about helping each other out, not for personal antagonism.

It is Christmas Time and we have Jesus, The Angels and all The Sweet Paisas in our hearts, why be so mad at each other when we all have plenty of room in Paradise Medellin?

I have, half-consiously, half of curiosity got into meeting an Amolatina girl at the agency. I had to force myself from not killing the two hookers at the agency which were telling me such lies (they where the one's I actually was corresponding with, not the girls they present at the site, I know this since the girls I corresponded with all 3 used the same phrases etc.). The girl which I picked up at the agency was 23 and must have had equally as many improvements done. She was such a ***** that I need all of my energy to prevent myself from not punch here in the face! It was such a total humiliation!

[url]http://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/amolatina[/url]

I met Dayana on Colombiancupid. Com. She was a model and when I came to Medellin she invited me to see her at the catwalk. They she invited her friends to dinner at my expense, and I refused to pay for them, haha. So she sent me mails saying she would go to the police accusing me for sexual abuse! When I got home to Europe I found out she was (is) a webcam sex model. She had been telling me she was online because she could not sleep. She was actually doing sexwork and flirting simultaneously. And that "she would not use webcam with unknown men, since they always want cibersex"! She was saying that when she was online with a a double-dildo stuck upp.

One time I ended up in a big luxury condominimum outside Cali which was more or less empty of people. My x-novias family is poor but are caretakers of some of the villas so I could stay there for free which was splendid until. There I was, alone one night, with no service on my cellphone and no way to comunicate with the world since this was 5 miles outside the little town they live in and there are no taxis. Then her 16 year-old cousin, who lived in the annex with his novia and baby, started to play loud music at 4am and was drunk, then he started to fire of his gun! And the thing is my x-novias father had been murded there just two months before and another cousine one months after. My x-novia and her stepmother wanted presents for Christmas the next day so I bought them parfumes and clothes for US$ 500 since I was so scared I could not think! The villa I slept in had no warm water so I said I need to stay a couple of days in a hotel. They drove me to a nice hotel. When they had left, I cheked out and took in to a small hotel in the city center and bought a ticket back to my beloved Medellin. Just when I was about to leave the next day in the morning my x-novia and the stepmother came (my x had found out where I was) to talk me into staying. I was trembling but eventually they gave up. Puuh!

I always get myself into situations that are crazy. I like being on the edge just to see what happens.

There are psyko-girl out there. More crazy that I ever could have imagined!

I do love Medellin. Here I have friends for life. They are very generous in every aspect and thanks to them my life is good, since I (obviously) can not manage my own life very well, I always end up making my kamikaze-attacks, which always ends in a disasterous ways. I really don't understand Sir AG when he says he has no colombian friends, I have never had more friends in my life, and really good friends, friends for life.

It is easy to stay away from trouble, but since Colombia is both magical and dangerous, hence it is easy to start explore unknown territory just out of curiosity. In Gringoland or Europe, how can one meet such beautiful women, good or bad girls, it will just not happen.

I've heard tons, and I still have nothing at all first hand. All second hand that 'heard from reliable sources'. Nothing first hand."Please post this on your board, I heard it from facebook".

I've read more than my fair share of fiction about myself on this and other boards from bored guys without passports. Enough to make me skeptical about comments toward girls I've known to be good in the past.

Does that mean nothing happened? Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. I know a few of the guys who were there. None of which have mentioned anything to me.

Wherever you're at.

[QUOTE=Av8r; 1513287]I am just one more guy who spends a lot of time in Medellin that can confirm that both scams are indeed true. I can't confirm the exact details, but the basic stories are 100% true. I too, will not give out any names, and I could care less whether some choose not to believe me. The *age / cops story has happened to at least 2 guys that I know, and the mess at San Andreas was confirmed as well. I think these situations are pretty rare, and with some simple rules can be avoided, but they should certainly not be discounted.

Of course one of the "accused" chicas just told me that they just took the jeep and went out to eat without informing the guys, but that seems rather suspicious. All 3 guys would have had to have been passed out which seems a stretch.

My "assumption" is that only one of the girls spiked the drinks, and the other girls simply took advantage of the situation.[/QUOTE]First of all, Happy New Year to all.

I thought that the debate on this issue would eventually die down, but it has persisted, so I'll throw some more wood on the fire.

Is anyone really surprised that (gasp!) deception and fraud is common in the punting world, or that (gasp!) Colombians could be involved. Colombians are as good and bad as people of any other nation, and I think, better people than I would have expected given their history in the last few decades.

Dishonesty and scams are have been common in the punting world since the beginning of civilization. Facebook and social media just make it easier. Facebook and tweets are the proverbial lure for the entranced John. Seeing something on a website makes it seem legit, but its really just like stapling a paper ad on a corkboard.

I don't know if the proposed incident actually happened, but it certainly seems feasible. Honest members of the forum should post links to the facebook pages of the alleged perpetrators. It is only this type of accountability that will keep scams in check. Social media can also work FOR us. Reporting and discussion of potential dangerous situations is the most valuable service that this forum can provide.

[QUOTE=Aussie Greg;1513319]I have lived in Colombia 12 years now and still do not have any Colombian friends, yes I have a few that I like but no real friends.[/QUOTE]You don't know who your friends are until you need them. Your hard work for some of the disadvantaged children in Medellin and on the coast must bring you some good karma. You may have more Colombian friends that you think. I hope so.

If you were flying over Medellin in a small plane and dropped a rock the size of a american "grit iron" football.

What two types of people would you hit!

Postitutes (Tweenies girlfriend) and thieths.

A. G.

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First off I want to say that I went with my wife to this strip club. I met my wife in Medellín about 5 years ago and brought her to the USA. We had an argument since she is super jealous in this country and I convinced her to prove she wants to change and stop being so jealous to me by taking me to Face dos LOL. Anyway I went to Face Dos on a Wednesday at 7pm, the bouncer er said it was closed til 9pm. I read about other places to go to but thought the only other couple friendly place would be San Diego. We arrive at 730, and the bouncer says there open but only one girl is currently working. I said it's fine because my wife and I had other plans at 11pm and we had no where else to go till then. Cover was 10,000 each. We get in and someone asks me what music did I want to hear since there is no other customers yet (thought it was nice of them to do that). Orderd a 1/2 bottle of absolute (thought it was stupid it doesn't include at least of mixer such as orange juice) and 2 glasses of pineapple juice. Total damage was 130,000 for drinks. We stayed for 3 hours and boy do I got to tell you I was very disappointed with the talent. The girls would be considered hot in the USA, but I'm in Medellíand Colombia where I consider has the hottest girls in the world. These girls were average (but great bodies mind you) , and I wouldn't even have considered paying the fee for any of them with the exception of one good looking one. The guys there were staring at my wife alot since she looked better than all the girls there with the exception of one. I wouldn't come back here.

I have been here the past two weeks and spent a night at each of these places. To be fair to Liquid we went in around 12:30am and were the only people there. 5 of us. Fase Dos I gave another opportunity after a Halloween suck and it still is a clip joint IMHO. Ejucutivo en El Centro was awesome last night and a fraction of Fase Dos. I will never set foot again in Fase Dos, will give Liquid a better opportunity and go to Ejectiva again.

Mayorista is different without the tables and youhave to walk and work to find the gems. Would recommend a blond Daisy from Bello. Saw Jake and a client who appeared happy,

HB

Guys,

Any reports on Hotel Medellin Plaza 1 & 2?

And the latest on the San Andreas "affair"!

A. G.

[QUOTE=Hanshin Baka; 1515572]I have been here the past two weeks and spent a night at each of these places. To be fair to Liquid we went in around 12:30am and were the only people there. 5 of us. Fase Dos I gave another opportunity after a Halloween suck and it still is a clip joint IMHO. Ejucutivo en El Centro was awesome last night and a fraction of Fase Dos. I will never set foot again in Fase Dos, will give Liquid a better opportunity and go to Ejectiva again.

Mayorista is different without the tables and youhave to walk and work to find the gems. Would recommend a blond Daisy from Bello. Saw Jake and a client who appeared happy,

HB[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hanshin Baka; 1515572]I have been here the past two weeks and spent a night at each of these places. To be fair to Liquid we went in around 12:30am and were the only people there. 5 of us. Fase Dos I gave another opportunity after a Halloween suck and it still is a clip joint IMHO. Ejucutivo en El Centro was awesome last night and a fraction of Fase Dos. I will never set foot again in Fase Dos, will give Liquid a better opportunity and go to Ejectiva again.

Mayorista is different without the tables and youhave to walk and work to find the gems. Would recommend a blond Daisy from Bello. Saw Jake and a client who appeared happy,

HB[/QUOTE]Ejecutiva is about half the cost of Fase and any upselling we are talking 20K pesos instead of 50 or 100, but only on a very good night for the Barra are they comparable. I've had a lot more fun in the barra over the years, but only when they had a couple real stunners that I turned into regulars. Overall quality Fase is better and if you are stern you can get away with one entry fee+one drink=$7 USD / 14K COP. The girl is 170K, you get more time and better facilities than the Barra also. If you are firm you can get all sorts of extras included for that 170K, though I found that to be difficult with a couple girls there.

I left Medellin today and I wanted to give my thoughts on Fase Dos, just so you all have some updated info. I heard alot of good things about san diego grill and was let down, so my exceptions for this place was low since I also heard alot of good things. I got in at about 9pm on Saturday night (10,000 cover charge) , and I went with just a buddy of mine. This place is a slightly nicer setting then San Diego, and bigger as well. As soon as we sit down one of the waiters tell us it will cost 180,000 for a girl, which includes up to an hour or until you bust (whichever comes first). My friend who was there several times informs me that the price was over 200,000 the last time he was here, so its cheaper now. Right away three girls come out and park around us, and they all significantly looked better then all the girls from San Diego that let me down as I said in my previous report. The fourth girl to come out was Daisy, who Hanshin pointed out below. Holly shit is this chick bad, I would say she is a 9.5 out of 10, and I immediately told the waiter I wanted to take her up on the 180,000 offer. I thought I should buy her a drink at first, but my buddy insisted its not necessary and since I was short on time I decided not to buy her a drink. From across the bar she seemed to be the very serious type, who appeared to lack charisma of uglier girls, but as soon as she went up to me she was such a sweetheart, which I thought was rare for a girl as hot as her. She claimed she was nervous with me, because she never gets to be with a good looking guy such as myself, since good looking guys in Medellin always get hot women whenever they want and don't come there (this is not true, LOL). I confessed that I was nervous when I was with her as well, but mainly because I knew as soon as I'm done with her I would meet up with my wife shortly after (kept thinking I am going to get caught LOL). Since this was imprinted in my head I could not get erect for a woman who looks better then most porn stars. She was super cool about it and tried about 8 different things to get me erect (I think it turned her on that I didn't get woody right away) , and about 20 minutes later we had an awesome session. My only complaint was she kept french kissing me, which I normally like, but she has very bad breathe which was a big turn off for me. I didn't really get to see the other girls in the club, because I left as soon as I was done, but if Daisy and the first 3 were all good looking then the girls who come later must be hot as well. My final verdict is Fase dos is great place and I would come back for sure, even if it was to hit daisy again (will bring gum or Listerine next time LOL). I don't like to compare places by how much it costs, but rather how good the girls look and the environment. Even though San Diego is cheaper, I would still prefer to go to the place that has the nicer environment and the hot girls.

Here is some info if you plan on going.

*Even though the club opens at 8pm, none of the girls start dancing on the runway till 10ish. I think 11pm is great time to come (be first to be with Daisy)

*If your ultimate goal is to have sex, just tell the waiter which one you want, don't waste money on drinks for them, which at 20,000k per drink can add up.

*If you want to talk to them (to maybe potentially meet up for like date outside of there work schedule) , then ask what do they like to drink (for example daisy likes tequila) , and then buy the cheapest bottle of that type of alcohol available. You both can drink from it and save a ton of money versus buying per drink.

*Even though room and fuck come in at 180,000, condoms are not included. Not sure if you are allowed to bring your own, but it costs 4,000 there. I had to buy 2 of them because the first broke while I was pounding Daisy.

*Also she request I buy a bundle of wipes to clean herself and me. It came in at 10,000. She asked and I did, but its not necessary because there is a shower in the room. I didn't want to waste time showering though.

* Don't expect to pay only 180,000. If you add the 10,000 for cover. 4,000 for A condom (times 2 for me) , and 10,000 for wipes then everything came out to 208,000 just to fuck. This isn't even counting the taxi, what I ordered to drink in the club while I wait for the girl I want, and the tips you give the dancers.

*Speaking of tipping. After a girl strips on the runway she goes around and ask for tips. I saw some guys not tip, which was shitty, but my friend says it customary to give 2000 pesos per person. A group of 4 guys should give 8,000.

*Although coming early guarantees the seat of your choice and dips on the girl you want first, it does have one draw back if your are cheap. If you are one of say 3 customers in the club then giving only 2,000 looks bad since they basically only danced for you.

*If you come to Medellin when its real hot then the rooms might be a problem since there is no AC. The rooms come equipped with tv with porn, radio, shower, shitter, bed, towels, and a fan.

[QUOTE=Hanshin Baka; 1515572]I have been here the past two weeks and spent a night at each of these places. To be fair to Liquid we went in around 12:30am and were the only people there. 5 of us. Fase Dos I gave another opportunity after a Halloween suck and it still is a clip joint IMHO. Ejucutivo en El Centro was awesome last night and a fraction of Fase Dos. I will never set foot again in Fase Dos, will give Liquid a better opportunity and go to Ejectiva again.

Mayorista is different without the tables and youhave to walk and work to find the gems. Would recommend a blond Daisy from Bello. Saw Jake and a client who appeared happy,

HB[/QUOTE]Hanshin, what do you mean by clip joint? Are you referring to the fact they are more expensive then all the other places?

I just sent this to another member who PM'ed me for info on Colombia. I understand some members do not like to post in the forum and like to remain behind the scenes. Hopefully this info will be useful to the rest of our lurking monger brethren, LOL:

=============

" (Forum name redacted) , you definitely will want to go to Medellin then. I would not recommend Cali for Colombian newbies.

You will want to stay at a place called Hotel Medellin Plaza:

[url]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com[/url]

They have two houses: Hotel Medellin Plaza 1 (HMP1) and HMP 2. Check both houses so that you can get an idea of the different room styles and prices. You also want to book early because they tend to fill up fast.

At this place they invite semi-pro chicas over to hang out around the pool at HMP1 or at the bar the have in the basement called "La Cueva". These girls are mostly University students, not Casa girls or Streetwalkers. Also, if you stay at HMP when Boyd is in town, he will use Facebook to help you find chicas.

I like HMP 2 because it is more quiet and laid back. HMP 1 has more of a "fraternity house" vibe to it. The only difference is that if you stay at HMP 2 you will have to walk down the hill to HMP 1 (about a 3-5 minute walk) to see the chicas they have invited over. If you find someone you like, you can take her back to your room and spend time with her.

This place caters to foreigners, so you will be in the company of other males foreigners. No locals (Colombian Males) are allowed inside except for security and staff. Also, if you come with your wingman and he decides not to stay at HMP 1 or 2, he will not be allowed to visit you. Only people who have booked a room are allowed. The good thing is that it doesn't matter which house you are staying at, you will have access to both houses as a guest.

Another good thing about HMP 1 & 2 is that they are located in El Poblado, which is extremely safe to walk both day and night.

You call also walk to anywhere you want to go: supermarket, Mcdonalds, Oviedo Mall, Santa Fe mall, etc. Good places to go if you want to take your chica someplace to eat. Taxis are also very cheap, so you could take one as well (your chica will not want to walk everywhere in her heels, hahaha). There are also a lot of ATM machines in the malls and around Poblado that you can walk to at any time of day or night because they have armed guards standing around.

Finally, if you want to just stay in and order food, the staff at both HMP 1 & 2 will help you with this. You can get anything from Chinese food, to Pizza, Fried Chicken, and Burgers (Burger King).

Hope this helps! If you have any more questions then feel free to ask.

-SP"

Hi all,

I will be coming to Medellin later this month. Unfortunately Medellin Plaza (Mansion) is fully booked.

Anyone know of nice hotel in Poblado district that do not charge you to have a girl come to your room?

Thanks in advance for sharing.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt; 1499576]K.

Anyway, I went on a casa run today, a couple places on fliers that were given out. They were both on El Palo. 57-55 and 57-71. Nothing doing, bunch of downtrodden chicks LOL.[/QUOTE]When I see new fliers that are the same address, just a name change, the place is usually a disaster. Which is why they are changing the name or maybe changed owners. So places that keep their name usually it's for a reason (good reputation).

Not the case with Aiffe.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1499576]I wound up at Aiffe and only took a girl there out of boredom. Whew, this place has dipped tremendously in quality in a very short period of time. The nine slags they had were all pretty horrible, including a couple you couldn't pay ME to fuck. A 20 year old flaca came out and I thought she would be a good bet. Eh, everything covered, no exceptions, breath smelled like a ham sandwich and she either recently had a kid or otherwise a near full term pregnancy because her stomach was a mess despite her thin frame. Her service was OK but whatever brand of condom they use there is just a disaster. I had them call another girl that would at least blow me without a condom. They sent Melissa and she did a decent job after some rigmarole. I wound up having to pay for for two separate half hours but that's life. Overall, I think the MP scene is pretty dead right now, and apart from the weekends the SW scene is dead. Good thing the strip joints and independents are plentiful.[/QUOTE]Not the case with Aiffe. Something lately is up with that place, really disgusting women who smell like sausage or ham sandwiches. I think they are way overdue for a name change!

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1499576]Overall, I think the MP scene is pretty dead right now, and apart from the weekends the SW scene is dead. Good thing the strip joints and independents are plentiful.[/QUOTE]Strip joints are hit or miss but I agree independents are always the best way if you are not a total newbie. IMHO. Great report by the way.

Just to follow up on the Fase report below, the price is 170K and it has been 170K for five years as far as I know. It may have been 150K the very first times I went, that's fuzzy to me. That includes the house's cut and the girl's cut, as well as the room. They do charge a 10K entry fee, drinks are 4K-22K (depending on what it is / who it's for) and they will try and hit you 5K for a condom. You can bring your own or bareback it if you negotiate that. I find negotiating extras is like this, on a slow night you can get them for nothing, on a busy night you may not be able to get them at all or wind up paying as much as 100K more depending on exactly what you want. You're going to taxi wherever you're going, buy a drink wherever you're going and 10K entry is $5 USD, not a big deal. The major difference is the price of the girls. Sometimes it's well worth it, often it's not.

[QUOTE=Paulie9798; 1516221]Hi all,

I will be coming to Medellin later this month. Unfortunately Medellin Plaza (Mansion) is fully booked.

Anyone know of nice hotel in Poblado district that do not charge you to have a girl come to your room?

Thanks in advance for sharing.[/QUOTE]What you seek is non-existent as far as hotels with no chica fees. You need to explore the apartment rental route. Start with:

-Pobladorentals.com

-Theapartmentmedellin.com

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1516307]What you seek is non-existent as far as hotels with no chica fees. You need to explore the apartment rental route. Start with:

-Pobladorentals. Com.

-Theapartmentmedellin. Com[/QUOTE]Not true [url]http://www.hotelfloridamedellin.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=TweedleD; 1516340]Not true.

[url]http://www.hotelfloridamedellin.com/[/url][/QUOTE]He asked for a non-chica fee hotel in [b]Poblado[/b]. This hotel is in Laureles.

Laureles and Conquistadores are both nice places to stay. They are easier to get in and out of than Poblado IMO.

It has become ingreasingly deangerous to operate as a Pirate in Paisa Waters since the invention of (voluptuous) silionce butts. When attacking a Reef head-on I can't reach the target since the Reef is so voluptuous, and when trying harder, reports tells us, you can get choked, locked up with your face in that reef.

Hi,

I'm soon moving to Florida-Palm Beach area. Is it fairly safe from LEO stings in that area or FLL? I'm talking about using Backpage. I googled the topic and found stings were all on the streewalker scene but did read an area-Polk county, think that, s Orlando? They, re pulling us guys in days at a time off of Backpage and the local sheriff is bragging about it. Hope this is not South Florida. But then I'm only 2 hours from Mde, SJO. I am more than willing to spend the extra couple hundred in airfare to be safe.

[QUOTE=Hanshin Baka;1515572]Ejucutivo en El Centro was awesome last night and a fraction of Fase Dos. I will never set foot again in Fase Dos, will give Liquid a better opportunity and go to Ejectiva again.[/QUOTE]Hello,

How much cost to fuck a girl in Ejucutivo en El Centro? Is it possible to go out with a girl to your apartment and spend the night?

[QUOTE=Vlg55; 1516588]Hi,

I'm soon moving to Florida-Palm Beach area. Is it fairly safe from LEO stings in that area or FLL? I'm talking about using Backpage. I googled the topic and found stings were all on the streewalker scene but did read an area-Polk county, think that, s Orlando? They, re pulling us guys in days at a time off of Backpage and the local sheriff is bragging about it. Hope this is not South Florida. But then I'm only 2 hours from Mde, SJO. I am more than willing to spend the extra couple hundred in airfare to be safe.[/QUOTE]I live in Miami and trust me, they hit had with the streetwalker, massage parlor, and backpage stings. Tap into the USA sexguide link to review. Be careful. If you want Latinas it's Miami. Strip clubs cost about $100 for BBBJ to 200 for everything. Take out is available.

[QUOTE=Paulie9798; 1516221]Hi all,

I will be coming to Medellin later this month. Unfortunately Medellin Plaza (Mansion) is fully booked.

Anyone know of nice hotel in Poblado district that do not charge you to have a girl come to your room?

Thanks in advance for sharing.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.hotelesestelar.com/en/destinos/colombia/medellin/blue[/url]

[QUOTE=Nabru;1516815][url]Http://www.hotelesestelar.com/en/destinos/colombia/medellin/blue[/url][/QUOTE]I stay at this hotel each time I visit Medellin. If you book early you save a couple hundred on the junior suite. I wanted to stay at the mansion but this place is $500 for 8 night in the junior suite. I got lucky because last time I checked, it was about 700 and now suites are gone.

SIDENOTE: I am celebrating my 37th birthday at Liquid Lounge. Anyone visiting this weekend stop by and have a drink on Saturday night. I already have about 8 girls coming.

I've spent plenty of time in Latin America (only have very modest Spanish skills) however this will be my first trip to Medellin.

I'm not going there as a monger (had to scale that down recently) but as a pro photographer (not porn). I have access to solid models via a couple of agencies but will need assistance in posing them and negotiating rates and such. Also the agents don't seem to have English skills.

Bottom line is that, I need to find a female that has had some experience modeling who can function as an English / Spanish translator and assist in making arrangements. I'm thinking about using a dating site as I did this years ago in the Phils and it paid off.

Any other thoughts or contacts here?

Thanks for any support.

Can I hang out at the Mansion bar if I am not staying there or is it guests only? If the former, any recommendations for a risk-averse gringo with no Spanish skills?

Thank you!

No hanging at the mansion period, unless you are a guest. It is a good policy as the guests pay a premium to stay in a room.

No Spanish? You can try Jake's place. He posts here. No other good options in my opinion.

[QUOTE=BradleyTheBuye; 1516830]Can I hang out at the Mansion bar if I am not staying there or is it guests only? If the former, any recommendations for a risk-averse gringo with no Spanish skills?

Thank you![/QUOTE]Sorry, man, you won't even be allowed into the building if you are not a registered guest. I wouldn't recommend Medellin at all unless you have some more Colombian mongering experience, conversational Spanish, or traveling with a group of people.

[QUOTE=BradleyTheBuye; 1516830]Can I hang out at the Mansion bar if I am not staying there or is it guests only? If the former, any recommendations for a risk-averse gringo with no Spanish skills?

Thank you![/QUOTE]If you're risk averse, and with no Spanish, then why not stay there? It's custom made for someone like you. They do your laundry, cook breakfast, and translate when you order delivery for just about anything you want. On top of that, there are always girls hanging around. If you ever get bored, you can go to Liquid, the best gringo / strip club in Medellin. Ok, the only one.

BTB, Sorry mate, no guest, no entry, always has been the policy.

A. G.

[QUOTE=BradleyTheBuye; 1516830]Can I hang out at the Mansion bar if I am not staying there or is it guests only? If the former, any recommendations for a risk-averse gringo with no Spanish skills?

Thank you![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AnokDub; 1516828]I've spent plenty of time in Latin America (only have very modest Spanish skills) however this will be my first trip to Medellin.

I'm not going there as a monger (had to scale that down recently) but as a pro photographer (not porn). I have access to solid models via a couple of agencies but will need assistance in posing them and negotiating rates and such. Also the agents don't seem to have English skills.

Bottom line is that, I need to find a female that has had some experience modeling who can function as an English / Spanish translator and assist in making arrangements. I'm thinking about using a dating site as I did this years ago in the Phils and it paid off.

Any other thoughts or contacts here?

Thanks for any support.[/QUOTE]I suggest you post a job offer in the Medellin Gringo Classifieds facebook group. Good Luck and please share your resulting photos in the near future. BTW, if you are not interested in hooking up with your translator / photo shoot producer, you probably will get better results hiring a flaming gay.

[QUOTE=Almotu;1517077]I suggest you post a job offer in the Medellin Gringo Classifieds facebook group. Good Luck and please share your resulting photos in the near future. BTW, if you are not interested in hooking up with your translator / photo shoot producer, you probably will get better results hiring a flaming gay.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice Almotu. I'll check into those clasiffieds. You may well be right about using a gay. In Thailand, the makeup artists are usually Katoey and have lots of good contacts.

Sure, I'll be happy to post a few photos here for you to drool on.

Try to get in touch with Marcy. She was formerly associated with the Mansion as a sort of hostess-organizer. Boyd at the Castillo would be able to get in touch with her.

[QUOTE=Almotu; 1517077]I suggest you post a job offer in the Medellin Gringo Classifieds facebook group. Good Luck and please share your resulting photos in the near future. BTW, if you are not interested in hooking up with your translator / photo shoot producer, you probably will get better results hiring a flaming gay.[/QUOTE]

[quote=chesrep001; 1517112]try to get in touch with marcy. she was formerly associated with the mansion as a sort of hostess-organizer. boyd at the castillo would be able to get in touch with her.[/quote]i guess that the castillo is a club? so i would have to physically go there to find boyd, correct?

thanks

[QUOTE=Av8r;1516940]If you're risk averse, and with no Spanish, then why not stay there? It's custom made for someone like you. They do your laundry, cook breakfast, and translate when you order delivery for just about anything you want. On top of that, there are always girls hanging around. If you ever get bored, you can go to Liquid, the best gringo / strip club in Medellin. Ok, the only one.[/QUOTE]I think this is good advice, similar to what Blackbeard's resort does for first timers in Dominican Rep for those who do not speak much Spanish (like me). I don't regret spending my first few days there and if (when) I go to Columbia, I think the Medellin Plaza would be an ideal first place for me too.

Now on the subject of Liquid, what makes that place worth going to?

[QUOTE=AnokDub; 1517156]I guess that the Castillo is a club? So I would have to physically go there to find Boyd, correct?

Thanks[/QUOTE][url]Https://www.facebook.com/marcy420?fref=ts[/url]

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit; 1517259]I think this is good advice, similar to what Blackbeard's resort does for first timers in Dominican Rep for those who do not speak much Spanish (like me). I don't regret spending my first few days there and if (when) I go to Columbia, I think the Medellin Plaza would be an ideal first place for me too.

Now on the subject of Liquid, what makes that place worth going to?[/QUOTE]For most guys staying at the Mansion, you want to venture out. Why spend a week totally isolated in your hotel? I believe Liquids is in a pretty good location with a bunch of other venues near by like F2. You can stop by to check out the talent, have a few drinks, etc. You could also bring your girls there to hang out. They usually play pretty good music, the dance floors aren't crowded and there's a strippers pole that the girls love to monkey around with!

When they decide to throw parties, it actually gets really fun as well with tons of girls!

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit; 1517259]I think this is good advice, similar to what Blackbeard's resort does for first timers in Dominican Rep for those who do not speak much Spanish (like me). I don't regret spending my first few days there and if (when) I go to Columbia, I think the Medellin Plaza would be an ideal first place for me too.

Now on the subject of Liquid, what makes that place worth going to?[/QUOTE]I made that comment kind of "tongue in cheek" as I'm one of the owners. See this thread for more info, or our Facebook [url]https://www.facebook.com/liquidloungemedellin?ref=hl[/url]

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3546-LIQUID-STRIP-[/url] (formerly-Liquid-Lounge) &p=1517387#post1517387

I know people will bash me but I had three regular girls stay with me. One at a time of course. They stayed as long as I wanted basically until I kicked them out. All very GFE and even PSE. They stayed days at a time each. Willing to do anything I wanted anytime any place any hole. I do have an advantage I am young and speak native spanish. We went out on dates like novios everytime. Showed me the city and would try to save me money everywhere. Here is where I will be bashed. They didn't want any money whatsoever. Just payed for food, drinks and taxis / buses. Loved it. They each wanted to take me to airport and come to meet their family. Aint nobody got time for that. Had such a great time with them I couldn't hook up with the prepagos or go to the strip clubs. I couldn't see myself paying for it when I was getting all I wanted genuinely from barely legal hotties. Can't wait to go back. Maybe next time ill have more time to see the prepagos and clubs.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1517919]I know people will bash me but I had three regular girls stay with me. One at a time of course. They stayed as long as I wanted basically until I kicked them out. All very GFE and even PSE. They stayed days at a time each. Willing to do anything I wanted anytime any place any hole. I do have an advantage I am young and speak native spanish. We went out on dates like novios everytime. Showed me the city and would try to save me money everywhere. Here is where I will be bashed. They didn't want any money whatsoever. Just payed for food, drinks and taxis / buses. Loved it. They each wanted to take me to airport and come to meet their family. Aint nobody got time for that. Had such a great time with them I couldn't hook up with the prepagos or go to the strip clubs. I couldn't see myself paying for it when I was getting all I wanted genuinely from barely legal hotties. Can't wait to go back. Maybe next time ill have more time to see the prepagos and clubs.[/QUOTE]Why would you be bashed? I probably have 15 or more years on you and this is the norm for me. Glad you had fun!

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1517919]I know people will bash me but I had three regular girls stay with me. One at a time of course. They stayed as long as I wanted basically until I kicked them out. All very GFE and even PSE. They stayed days at a time each. Willing to do anything I wanted anytime any place any hole. I do have an advantage I am young and speak native spanish. We went out on dates like novios everytime. Showed me the city and would try to save me money everywhere. Here is where I will be bashed. They didn't want any money whatsoever. Just payed for food, drinks and taxis / buses. Loved it. They each wanted to take me to airport and come to meet their family. Aint nobody got time for that. Had such a great time with them I couldn't hook up with the prepagos or go to the strip clubs. I couldn't see myself paying for it when I was getting all I wanted genuinely from barely legal hotties. Can't wait to go back. Maybe next time ill have more time to see the prepagos and clubs.[/QUOTE]Nawh man! It sounds like you had the time of our live! LOL! Most guys here are searching for this!

Some will say you're full of it but they just be hating.

Let me ask you; how did you get them out smoothly? With out the usual drama? Or did you just kick them out?

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1517919]I know people will bash me but I had three regular girls stay with me. One at a time of course. They stayed as long as I wanted basically until I kicked them out. All very GFE and even PSE. They stayed days at a time each. Willing to do anything I wanted anytime any place any hole. I do have an advantage I am young and speak native spanish. We went out on dates like novios everytime. Showed me the city and would try to save me money everywhere. Here is where I will be bashed. They didn't want any money whatsoever. Just payed for food, drinks and taxis / buses. Loved it. They each wanted to take me to airport and come to meet their family. Aint nobody got time for that. Had such a great time with them I couldn't hook up with the prepagos or go to the strip clubs. I couldn't see myself paying for it when I was getting all I wanted genuinely from barely legal hotties. Can't wait to go back. Maybe next time ill have more time to see the prepagos and clubs.[/QUOTE]Most guys that spend an appreciable amount of time in Colombia can find themselves with a fairly hot woman as least compared to what they are used to getting in the states.

I have had my fair share of live in girlfriends myself but for the guys that are just visiting what is the point of getting involved with a young hottie and making her feel like she is the ONE just to ultimately dump her and leave her feeling jilted.

At any rate congrats for stepping up and pointing out that if you actually get off your ass and make an effort that you can get laid anywhere in Colombia without paying for it up front. But talking the pants off of 8's and 9's takes more time and effort than most gringos here are willing to put in mostly because they are just looking for sex and not some sort of long term relationship. Now if you are into 5's and 6's that is a different story altogether. Jajaja

[QUOTE=Av8r;1516940]If you're risk averse, and with no Spanish, then why not stay there? It's custom made for someone like you. They do your laundry, cook breakfast, and translate when you order delivery for just about anything you want. On uatop of that, there are always girls hanging around. If you ever get bored, you can go to Liquid, the best gringo / strip club in Medellin. Ok, the only one.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the responses. Very helpful. Av8r, I went back as much as I could in this thread but can't find whether your club has on-site short time rooms and what the bar fine situation was like.

We went to Fase Dos last night and it was pretty meh but not horrible. Don't know if we got the gringo overcharge. 20k a beer + a bunch of taxes and tip added. Also while there were a bunch of hotties, nobody seemed to be trying to take them upstairs.

I spend a considerable amount of time gathering menus and leaving them at the apartment for the next guy once I leave. And what do I get when I return? Nothing. Not even a fucking phone book, LOL. But here are some menus for you ungrateful bastards to help you get started. Thanks me!

Hopefully other will follow suite.

And congrats to NclPimp. You went from asking me about info on the most hardened Pros to not needing their services at all!

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1517919]I know people will bash me but I had three regular girls stay with me. One at a time of course. They stayed as long as I wanted basically until I kicked them out. All very GFE and even PSE. They stayed days at a time each. Willing to do anything I wanted anytime any place any hole. I do have an advantage I am young and speak native spanish. We went out on dates like novios everytime. Showed me the city and would try to save me money everywhere. Here is where I will be bashed. They didn't want any money whatsoever. Just payed for food, drinks and taxis / buses. Loved it. They each wanted to take me to airport and come to meet their family. Aint nobody got time for that. Had such a great time with them I couldn't hook up with the prepagos or go to the strip clubs. I couldn't see myself paying for it when I was getting all I wanted genuinely from barely legal hotties. Can't wait to go back. Maybe next time ill have more time to see the prepagos and clubs.[/QUOTE]Don't be surprised if when you return these girl's attitudes have changed. Many of these girls are planting seeds just like we are. When they get a hint that nothing is happening, things will change. I hope for your sake they don't. Finding three pretty girls that you just met in Medellin, who will have anal sex with you almost immediately, is rare IMO. Enjoy your luck while you have it.

There are plenty of experienced travelers, with good Spanish, who struggle in Medellin. They want something more than stripclubs, mps, or girls to meet through the internet that are being run through by foreigners. Please share how you met these girls as it might help some of these guys.

I have mentioned in the past that time in Medellin is valuable and I will give an example. About a year and a half ago I met a semi-pro who changed my Medellin experience. This girl went on a hunt for other girls for me. I told her regular girls or girls with limited experience only. Although she was connected to internet circles and had worked at Fasay Dos, she actually listened and brought me almost exclusively non-pro girls. I could not have had a better girl for this job. She knew what I was looking for and she was bringing me exactly what I wanted. She was bringing me 3-4 girls a month. This might not sound like alot but these were pre-screened girls by a girl who has good radar for what I was looking for. A few trips later I had enough seeds planted between the girls she was sending me and the friends of these girls.

Getting quality girls without money is overrated. Getting quality girls without effort is underrated.

Good luck to all.

VJ

I wanted to hit as much as I could but I couldn't pass up these girls for a hardened pro. I look forward to going back very soon and adding more to my stable.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1518031]I spend a considerable amount of time gathering menus and leaving them at the apartment for the next guy once I leave. And what do I get when I return? Nothing. Not even a fucking phone book, LOL. But here are some menus for you ungrateful bastards to help you get started. Thanks me!

Hopefully other will follow suite.

And congrats to NclPimp. You went from asking me about info on the most hardened Pros to not needing their services at all![/QUOTE]

One I told them I had prior family arrangements I couldn't get out of and felt bad bringing her. I didn't want them thinking bad about her. The other had to work so she had to go but didn't want to go. I also picked a fight with one over a stupid comment to get the other one in. They each would still be with me if they could. They email me and one even gave me a going away present (a colombian picture frame with our foto)

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777; 1517963]Nawh man! It sounds like you had the time of our live! LOL! Most guys here are searching for this!

Some will say you're full of it but they just be hating.

Let me ask you; how did you get them out smoothly? With out the usual drama? Or did you just kick them out?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1517919]I know people will bash me but I had three regular girls stay with me. One at a time of course. They stayed as long as I wanted basically until I kicked them out. All very GFE and even PSE. They stayed days at a time each. Willing to do anything I wanted anytime any place any hole. I do have an advantage I am young and speak native spanish. We went out on dates like novios everytime. Showed me the city and would try to save me money everywhere. Here is where I will be bashed. They didn't want any money whatsoever. Just payed for food, drinks and taxis / buses. Loved it. They each wanted to take me to airport and come to meet their family. Aint nobody got time for that. Had such a great time with them I couldn't hook up with the prepagos or go to the strip clubs. I couldn't see myself paying for it when I was getting all I wanted genuinely from barely legal hotties. Can't wait to go back. Maybe next time ill have more time to see the prepagos and clubs.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SlamCity7777;1517963]Let me ask you; how did you get them out smoothly? With out the usual drama? Or did you just kick them out?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Cali Hentai; 1517981]I have had my fair share of live in girlfriends myself but for the guys that are just visiting what is the point of getting involved with a young hottie and making her feel like she is the ONE just to ultimately dump her and leave her feeling jilted.

8's and 9's takes more time and effort than most gringos here are willing to put in mostly because they are just looking for sex and not some sort of long term relationship.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Vegas Jeff;1518034]Don't be surprised if when you return these girl's attitudes have changed. Many of these girls are planting seeds just like we are. When they get a hint that nothing is happening, things will change. I hope for your sake they don't. Finding three pretty girls that you just met in Medellin, who will have anal sex with you almost immediately, is rare IMO. Enjoy your luck while you have it.VJ[/QUOTE]On occasion, we see occasional reports of someone who announces himself to be "young and [who] speak[s] native Spanish" to have the so-called "normal" "barely legal hotties" opening up all 3 holes and obviously wanting to have a child by this visitor to the city of eternal spring. Let me make some observations, without bashing anyone. I think I know the girls of Medellin pretty well, and that goes from the hardened street sex workers, to the girls that frequent places like the mansion and the liquid strip, and many girls who were just trying to go to school and plan for their future.

Finding 3 nonprofessional girls (or professionals, as for as that is concerned) who will offer up their ass is more rare than drawing to an inside straight. Medellin is not Buenos Aires or Rio. Understanding, that time is finite, one can understand there was no time for the full-time or occasional girlfriend for a few pesos.

I don't care, nor is it objectively relevant, whether a girl is a commercial sex worker or just a "normal" girl. They all want security and protection. There is no such thing as free sex, never has been and never will be. If a girl wants to introduce you to her family that is because she has expectations in a relationship that will provide her security and protection.

The comments of SlamCity, Hentai and especially Vegas Jeff squarely present the relevant issue. As Vegas Jeff opined,"many of these girls are planting seeds just like we are. We may have a hand that nothing is happening, things will change." The real issue is whether these girls were represented to have a future with the writer? There is no need for any drama,"usual" or otherwise, if you don't by misrepresentation create expectations that are based on false promises. Most of these girls that we would consider just to be "normal" girls, even if their beauty and physical attractiveness, is extraordinary are simply looking for security and protection. Most are looking for "some sort of long term relationship" even though foreigners come here and lie to them in order to obtain and maintain a sexual relationship.

In summary, these girls have enough difficulties and disappointments in life, to have some foreigner with a few pesos in his pocket to come down and mislead them and making them rightfully feel "jilted."

Not only is that kind of conduct unmanly, but it is far too often stereo typical conduct for those who visit the city and consort with the beautiful women here. I'm interested in what you told these girls to induce them to share their bodies with you without express or implied promise of compensation.

I hope no one would lie to any of these girls just in order to have sex with them. Not only is it wrong, but. .

It's bad fucking energy!

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1518059]One I told them I had prior family arrangements I couldn't get out of and felt bad bringing her. I didn't want them thinking bad about her. The other had to work so she had to go but didn't want to go. I also picked a fight with one over a stupid comment to get the other one in. They each would still be with me if they could. They email me and one even gave me a going away present (a colombian picture frame with our foto)[/QUOTE]There ya go playa playa! LOL.

Sounds like you had fun! Duhhh.

Good luck with the inevitable ensuing drama haha.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender;1518093]I hope no one would lie to any of these girls just in order to have sex with them.[/QUOTE]Really LT?

That's been happening since the beginning of time.

Might not be right, but we all know it's reality, and most girls know it too.

Hi to all,

I am a young, decent looking, humble yet street smart, Spanish speaking American man that's kind of confused if I should make a solo trip to MDE, I've been deadset on going to MDE for a while long time, since I've been reading posts on here, I'm unsure.

1st I plan on staying in an apt, and I kinda feel left out when everyone talks about these regular girls from the reg hotels. And I keep hearing those girls arent that hot, WTF? I thought MDE had some of the hottest women in the world. I was a bit disappointed with the girls in Cartagena and thier rates and I'm expecting prettier lighter skinned gals with much better prices. For exp $250,000-450,000 overnight in Cartagena.

My plan is to meet in public places and take them back to the apt if the price is right, can someone give me a price range that I can expect to pay for a pretty one (BTW I'm cool with thick chicks with fat asses)

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[QUOTE=Ricker; 1518099]Really LT?

That's been happening since the beginning of time.

Might not be right, but we all know it's reality, and most girls know it too.[/QUOTE]Of course it has been happening "since the beginning of time." It isn't right, and what are you suggesting? That most girls know we're just a bunch of liars? If it isn't right, it isn't right.

Only good energy, my respected amigo.

How does nclpimp get all that free pussy? [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfXawM38QzQ[/url]

LT is right, but he is not a pirate.

I'm a pirate and have caused damaged, suffered economical losses and personal damages when the forces I fought have had more firepower, but in the end: I have entered territories that the standard monger never will see!

The ordinary calculating standard gringo monger doesn't seem to take The piracy risk, but are instead doing good business (as incarnations of The 100% Rational Economic Man). However, he has never explored the skarky waters: There are Clubs that are never discussed here, in which you find only 9-10-point babes. Prices are accordingly. There you will have the sexual experience that will terminate years, if not decades, of 1st world sexual frustration, often hidden in your subconscious.

Pirates knows about those clubs. It's risky, but worth the risk and money to visit, if you want the erotic adventure of your life.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1518093]On occasion, we see occasional reports of someone who announces himself to be "young and [who] speak[s] native Spanish" to have the so-called "normal" "barely legal hotties" opening up all 3 holes and obviously wanting to have a child by this visitor to the city of eternal spring. Let me make some observations, without bashing anyone. I think I know the girls of Medellin pretty well, and that goes from the hardened street sex workers, to the girls that frequent places like the mansion and the liquid strip, and many girls who were just trying to go to school and plan for their future.

Finding 3 nonprofessional girls (or professionals, as for as that is concerned) who will offer up their ass is more rare than drawing to an inside straight. Medellin is not Buenos Aires or Rio. Understanding, that time is finite, one can understand there was no time for the full-time or occasional girlfriend for a few pesos.

I don't care, nor is it objectively relevant...[/QUOTE]

LT,

We can debate forever about the definition of "free sex." IMO, in the monger sense it refers to whether there is payment is made for sex either before or after. It is like the Friends episode where Joey and Phoebe contend whether anything is ever truly altruistic.

Also, you talk as if tricking women into sex is a Colombian phenomena. It has been happening worldwide since the beginning of time! Just remember Karma!

Lastly, you talk as if all women are working girls and incapable of being loved and needs to be "paid for." They may be planting seeds or whatever, but I've seen many working girls swept off their feet, marry a gringo and move back to the US. Good for them. I does happen.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1518115]Of course it has been happening "since the beginning of time." It isn't right, and what are you suggesting? That most girls know we're just a bunch of liars? If it isn't right, it isn't right.

Only good energy, my respected amigo.[/QUOTE]Hey LT, I'm really not suggesting anything, just stating the well known obvious that lots of guys will fib, act and tell out and out lies to get what they're after, regardless of nationality (gringos sure aren't the only culprits).

True in every corner of the planet.

I don't condone it, I just know it's a fact.

And by the way, yep it's true, girls lie too, LOL.

Me personally, as I've seasoned, matured, grown older, etc, and hopefully more wise, I've learned to be up front with girls.

I love the GFE and the non-pro experience (who doesn't?) , however, I really don't like hurting anyone either, so I just don't.

When I meet a non-pro, whether in Colombia, Brazil, US, wherever, I let them know who I am and what I'm looking for basically.

You know women though.

Even though you tell them something, some (maybe even most) , if they dig you, will still put on the full court press and try and win you over, change you, etc.

Like you say, and I too believe in;"what comes around, goes around" and good Karma.

Take care mi amigo.

[QUOTE=C Jack Sparrow; 1518122]LT is right, but he is not a pirate.

The ordinary calculating standard gringo monger doesn't seem to take The piracy risk, but are instead doing good business (as incarnations of The 100% Rational Economic Man). However, he has never explored the skarky waters: There are Clubs that are never discussed here, in which you find only 9-10-point babes. Prices are accordingly. There you will have the sexual experience that will terminate years, if not decades, of 1st world sexual frustration, often hidden in your subconscious.

Pirates knows about those clubs. It's risky, but worth the risk and money to visit, if you want the erotic adventure of your life.[/QUOTE]Cmon CJS. You can't drop that kind of bomb and not explain. Tell us about these clubs!

Fuck! Some weather we are having! I had to damn near swim back to the apartment else I'd still be out there stuck in it.

In other news:

-La Policia have been out in full force the entire time I've been here. Some of them are even roving around in large groups. So much in that I have to step to the side to allow them to pass. They've been staked out up and down Poblado Ave and Calle 10, so you won't have any problems walking around anywhere day or night.

-You know you are at a certain Jedi level when you can order your food over the phone ("servicio al domicilios") without the help of your Paisa, LOL. But seriously, once she arrived I had her call back to the place to make sure I didn't fuck up the order, LOL.

-Feliz Cumple Razor77. Probably will not pass by Liquid Lounge tonight. Blame it on the rain. But more so my chica schedule will not allow for it. Drink enough for the both of us! I am already half drunk (is there a such thing?) , so you've got some catching up to do, LOL.

Are the women in Colombia GFE?

I'm planning a trip to Colombia and I'm getting conflicting reports. Are the women in Medellin GFE friendly? Or is business like?

I have been to places like Costa Rica, Brazil, and DR, and all those places have lost GFE status. The girls are becoming more and more business like.

The best place I have been for GFE was the Philippines. The girls are good kissers and gently will stay the whole night. They will even let you go bareback, (Not that I want too anyways) but.

How is Colombia women? Do they like American gringos?

[QUOTE=BradleyTheBuye; 1517998]Thanks for the responses. Very helpful. Av8r, I went back as much as I could in this thread but can't find whether your club has on-site short time rooms and what the bar fine situation was like.

We went to Fase Dos last night and it was pretty meh but not horrible. Don't know if we got the gringo overcharge. 20k a beer + a bunch of taxes and tip added. Also while there were a bunch of hotties, nobody seemed to be trying to take them upstairs.[/QUOTE]20k is about right. Drinks are overpriced there. If you you have a couple of buddies, it's more economical to order a bottle and unite girls over.

The locals like to just drink and watch. It's very expensive for them.

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter; 1516625]Hello,

How much cost to fuck a girl in Ejucutivo en El Centro? Is it possible to go out with a girl to your apartment and spend the night?[/QUOTE]60-70k. If you tell them 60k most will agree. I believe the barfine is 50k. What you pay the girl is additional. Most likely in the 100-200k range depending on your negotiating skills.

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1518275]Me personally, as I've seasoned, matured, grown older, etc, and hopefully more wise, I've learned to be up front with girls.

I love the GFE and the non-pro experience (who doesn't?) , however, I really don't like hurting anyone either, so I just don't.

When I meet a non-pro, whether in Colombia, Brazil, US, wherever, I let them know who I am and what I'm looking for basically.

You know women though.

Even though you tell them something, some (maybe even most) , if they dig you, will still put on the full court press and try and win you over, change you, etc.

Like you say, and I too believe in;"what comes around, goes around" and good Karma.

Take care mi amigo.[/QUOTE]Pretty much the same here. If I tell a girl a lie, it is a lie that won't hurt her. It probably just gives me space or enhances something with her.

It is bad game to tell a girl that you love her when you don't. A position of strength is to tell a girl that you have a girlfriend. Tell her that your girlfriend has your heart but you really like her.

Some "put on the full court press" and pressure you. Some can't handle the dynamic of the relationship. If the pressure becomes a burden, cut them loose. There are plenty of new girls just waiting to say hello.

I have held on to some situations dangerously long. Not anymore. A girl has to be sweet, and the situation has to be easy and organized, for me to be repeating.

I would certainly bash him and for a good reason.

Someone posting about him getting free pussy with full GFE and anal but not explaining how, the circumstances or where he found these girls is making no contribution here period!

Ask yourselves, what is he trying to convey! NOTHING.

That he can get free pussy! We all know that is possible. But at least explain HOW to the benefits of others who give useful info here!

Either this was his first time getting free pussy PERIOD, and he couldn't contain himself. Or worst!

"Trust but verify" is a great US foreign policy mantra.

[QUOTE
-Feliz Cumple Razor77. Probably will not pass by Liquid Lounge tonight. Blame it on the rain. But more so my chica schedule will not allow for it. Drink enough for the both of us! I am already half drunk (is there a such thing?) , so you've got some catching up to do, LOL.[/QUOTE]

Sorry you didn't make it to Liquid. Ended up being a great night. Both the Chicas and the gringos had a great time, and that's all I ask for. Although i'm not even sure Razor made it lol.

If anyone is in town for Superbowl, Liquid is going to be THE place to go. I can't wait!

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler; 1518399]Are the women in Colombia GFE?

I'm planning a trip to Colombia and I'm getting conflicting reports. Are the women in Medellin GFE friendly? Or is business like?

I have been to places like Costa Rica, Brazil, and DR, and all those places have lost GFE status. The girls are becoming more and more business like.

The best place I have been for GFE was the Philippines. The girls are good kissers and gently will stay the whole night. They will even let you go bareback, (Not that I want too anyways) but.

How is Colombia women? Do they like American gringos?[/QUOTE]Whether or not you get a GFE depends a lot on you.

Best chances of getting GFE are at the Mansion (about 90%) from my own personal experience but I speak good spanish and don't go with any chick that doesn't give me a good vibe. Next would be strip clubs if you don't do them in the back room but rather get their phone number and make a date. And, if they actually show up (good 50% chance of GFE) YMMV. Casas are so hit and miss on quality that I rarely go anymore unless I'm bored out of my mind and someone asks me to go with. Less than 5% chance of a full blown GFE banging a chick in a casa but if you get a phone number and are able to get them out of that environment your chances of getting a GFE will increase dramatically.

Most chicks will spend the whole night for about double their hourly rate.

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1518275]I love the GFE and the non-pro experience (who doesn't?) , however, I really don't like hurting anyone either, so I just don't.

When I meet a non-pro, whether in Colombia, Brazil, US, wherever, I let them know who I am and what I'm looking for basically.

You know women though.[/QUOTE]I have chatted with hundred of regular girls on Internet. In my opinion they are the best girls on the world fot GFE, but when you ask tem sex they always refuse and stop to talk with you.

In my opinion the best country to get GFE and sex with a regular girl is Peru.

[QUOTE=Av8r;1518518]Sorry you didn't make it to Liquid. Ended up being a great night. Both the Chicas and the gringos had a great time, and that's all I ask for. Although i'm not even sure Razor made it lol.[/QUOTE]That's good to hear amigo. And that's what's so great about Medellin: many options available. I definitely will check your place out in the future. At this point in time I've been coming here enough to where it really wouldn't make sense for me to "go fish" elsewhere after putting a lot of "sweat equity" into developing a primed and trimmed roster of proven providers (had to ex-communicate a few broads this trip who have gotten to comfortable with me and taken my generosity for granted).

As for Razor, I haven't been in touch with him either. I suspect that he possibly found a chica who put his dick in a vice grip with her chocha, which in turn caused him to pledge his allegiance (and his pesos) to his new favorita, LOL. We may need to put out an APB for him.

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter; 1518582]I have chatted with hundred of regular girls on Internet. In my opinion they are the best girls on the world fot GFE, but when you ask tem sex they always refuse and stop to talk with you.

In my opinion the best country to get GFE and sex with a regular girl is Peru.[/QUOTE]Good point normal girlfriends actually give the best GFE. LOL

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1518275]Me personally, as I've seasoned, matured, grown older, etc, and hopefully more wise, I've learned to be up front with girls.

I love the GFE and the non-pro experience (who doesn't?) , however, I really don't like hurting anyone either, so I just don't.

When I meet a non-pro, whether in Colombia, Brazil, US, wherever, I let them know who I am and what I'm looking for basically.

You know women though.

Even though you tell them something, some (maybe even most) , if they dig you, will still put on the full court press and try and win you over, change you, etc.

Like you say, and I too believe in;"what comes around, goes around" and good Karma.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Vegas Jeff; 1518504]Pretty much the same here. If I tell a girl a lie, it is a lie that won't hurt her. It probably just gives me space or enhances something with her.

It is bad game to tell a girl that you love her when you don't. A position of strength is to tell a girl that you have a girlfriend. Tell her that your girlfriend has your heart but you really like her.

Some "put on the full court press" and pressure you. Some can't handle the dynamic of the relationship. If the pressure becomes a burden, cut them loose. There are plenty of new girls just waiting to say hello.

I have held on to some situations dangerously long. Not anymore. A girl has to be sweet, and the situation has to be easy and organized, for me to be repeating.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Cali Hentai;1518543]Whether or not you get a GFE depends a lot on you.[/QUOTE]Ricker, Vegas Jeff, and Cali, I think that we're all reading from the same page. If you are married, have a girlfriend, or simply not interested in a monogamous relationship, and are honest, you generally won't have any problem with a GFE experience with new girls. Almost without exception, the girls in Medellin expect a sexual relationship if you share much time together because it is "normal" in the "Paisa" culture, regardless of your specific circumstance. My gut feeling is that most think if they can provide sex that you can't forget, and want more of; that they can change your status quo.

None of us are responsible for their expectations, unless they are based on our misrepresentations. It's remarkable the amount of respect and acceptance that you can get just by being straight with these girls. I just returned from Medellin on Friday, and one of the girls that I enjoy spending time with and who accompanied me to the airport at 6 o'clock in the morning (going to the airport with you is somewhat of a ritual or custom with them) told me right before I went to security that she knew that she didn't get all of my milk, but wanted first, when I return. I have a novia that I've had for over 5 years and traveled all over the world with her, and the girl that went to the airport knew that i had that relationship. Yet, with my honesty, you can see the result.

Treat these girls right, show them a little care and honesty, and you will have a girlfriend experience 95% of the time.

Only give out good energy, mi amigos.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1518592]That's good to hear amigo. And that's what's so great about Medellin: many options available. I definitely will check your place out in the future. At this point in time I've been coming here enough to where it really wouldn't make sense for me to "go fish" elsewhere after putting a lot of "sweat equity" into developing a primed and trimmed roster of proven providers (had to ex-communicate a few broads this trip who have gotten to comfortable with me and taken my generosity for granted).

As for Razor, I haven't been in touch with him either. I suspect that he possibly found a chica who put his dick in a vice grip with her chocha, which in turn caused him to pledge his allegiance (and his pesos) to his new favorita, LOL. We may need to put out an APB for him.[/QUOTE]I'm looking forward to your impressions, but I hope people don't look at Liquid as just a place to get chicas. It's a party place where gringos can meet up with friends and party in a friendly atmosphere. Having said that, we are close to becoming a full service Medellin strip club which will unfortunately limit the gringo atmosphere somewhat. We have to do it because there just aren't enough gringos in Medellin yet to support a gringo only place. My hope though, is that while being an all encompassing strip club, that we will retain something of our American flavor.

[QUOTE=Cali Hentai; 1518543]Whether or not you get a GFE depends a lot on you.

Best chances of getting GFE are at the Mansion (about 90%) from my own personal experience but I speak good spanish and don't go with any chick that doesn't give me a good vibe. Next would be strip clubs if you don't do them in the back room but rather get their phone number and make a date. And, if they actually show up (good 50% chance of GFE) YMMV. Casas are so hit and miss on quality that I rarely go anymore unless I'm bored out of my mind and someone asks me to go with. Less than 5% chance of a full blown GFE banging a chick in a casa but if you get a phone number and are able to get them out of that environment your chances of getting a GFE will increase dramatically.

Most chicks will spend the whole night for about double their hourly rate.[/QUOTE]Ok sounds great. Also why don't a lot of gringos travel to Colombia? Do a lot of Americans think Colombia is dangerous? Just curious, I know a lot of gringos that go to DR, Brazil, Costa Rica, Thailand, etc. Just to name a few, But I don't know to many that have mention Colombia. But its not like I want to many Americans to know about Colombia anyways, we have a bad rap of spoiling women and putting them on a pedestal.

Plenty go to Medellin. I don't know the numbers in comparison to the other places you mentioned, but Colombia is very much on the gringo / mongering path."Spoiling the women" has already been done in Medellin long ago. As a gringo, you won't be a novelty to the girls here, like you would have been 10 years ago. At least not if you stay in Poblado / Parque Lleras.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1518800]Ok sounds great. Also why don't a lot of gringos travel to Colombia? Do a lot of Americans think Colombia is dangerous? Just curious, I know a lot of gringos that go to DR, Brazil, Costa Rica, Thailand, etc. Just to name a few, But I don't know to many that have mention Colombia. But its not like I want to many Americans to know about Colombia anyways, we have a bad rap of spoiling women and putting them on a pedestal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0; 1518509]I would certainly bash him and for a good reason.

Someone posting about him getting free pussy with full GFE and anal but not explaining how, the circumstances or where he found these girls is making no contribution here period!

Ask yourselves, what is he trying to convey! NOTHING.

That he can get free pussy! We all know that is possible. But at least explain HOW to the benefits of others who give useful info here!

Either this was his first time getting free pussy PERIOD, and he couldn't contain himself. Or worst!

"Trust but verify" is a great US foreign policy mantra.[/QUOTE]Let's not forget he is the same guy who put up a sign that said "Gringo looking for girls, interested parties call * *." He manages to find girls that want money for sex in some sort of indirect way and then won't shut the fuck about it, essentially.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1518732]Treat these girls right, show them a little care and honesty, and you will have a girlfriend experience 95% of the time.

Only give out good energy, mi amigos.[/QUOTE]Not everyone is into the "new age-good energy" stuff, however, the older one gets the more experiences one have of people that are giving out bad energy in the end gets their *ss bitten. Hard.

Another way to see it, is that it's simply just a number game. And sooner or later someone will say enough is enough.

Jackson phrased the behavior of lying about getting married with the girl / lying about serious intention as "sexual shoplifting".

I totally agree with the term / label.

Regards, Ken Apples.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1518800]Ok sounds great. Also why don't a lot of gringos travel to Colombia? Do a lot of Americans think Colombia is dangerous? Just curious, I know a lot of gringos that go to DR, Brazil, Costa Rica, Thailand, etc. Just to name a few, But I don't know to many that have mention Colombia. But its not like I want to many Americans to know about Colombia anyways, we have a bad rap of spoiling women and putting them on a pedestal.[/QUOTE]It's the language barrier. Most Colombian chicks don't speak English. Most Colombians for that matter. It is hard to go to a restaurant let alone communicate with a chica.

[QUOTE=Hioctane;1519579]It's the language barrier. Most Colombian chicks don't speak English. Most Colombians for that matter. It is hard to go to a restaurant let alone communicate with a chica.[/QUOTE]No I don't think so. Most girls in DR, and especially Brazil speak little to No english. Finding info on Columbia is very hard. I guess a lot of mongers want to keep Columbia under wraps, I don't blame them.

Yet, I've seen many guys with virtually no Spanish have a great time in Medellin, Cali, and Cartagena.

Fact is, lots of guys, especially Americans, just don't leave their country much if at all.

[QUOTE=Hioctane;1519579]It's the language barrier. Most Colombian chicks don't speak English. Most Colombians for that matter. It is hard to go to a restaurant let alone communicate with a chica.[/QUOTE]

First of all thank you for the casa map and Almotu for your scans of casa cards. This type of info is vital to get you off and running.

Today I went looking for Masajes Sexi carrera 45D #57-67 but wound up at Carrera 45 (no D) # 57-55 (Up a staircase). 37K/30 min

The girl said this was Sexi 2. The other Sexi I belive a block or two from parque periodista.

But where is 45 "D". I asked a few shop owners but they weren't sure and most lead me to carrera 45.

By the way #57-55 has a good line up IMO. Three out of six were very pretty. I wound up taking adriana for 30 minutes. I ate her pussy and ass bigtime. Hot little 21 year old witha wet sntach and she kept playing with herself after I was done.

You don't get this in Tijuana!

On another note I found an exchange house in centro:

Nutifinanzas.

CC Camino Real I. 126.

You go to avenida playas where it mEets the pedestrian path then walk up the stairs and it is to the right in the pathway you came up the stairs.

Very easy bring passport and fresh crisp bills. I exchanged 700 US @around 1920 with ease. I am kicking myself that I didn't bring all cash. It would have saved me all the BS with the ATM's

[QUOTE=Combo; 1519665]Yet, I've seen many guys with virtually no Spanish have a great time in Medellin, Cali, and Cartagena.

Fact is, lots of guys, especially Americans, just don't leave their country much if at all.[/QUOTE]I mean how are you going to have a BAD time fucking girls and possibly getting into other naughty fun? That said, my friends without Spanish have typically REALLY regretted not having it. They wasted time, money and energy without it and even where they didn't, they didn't maximize their experience going out, being with the girls, etc. This is even with me being there to facilitate a lot of things and hook them up with things they needed, imagine if not for that they'd have been more frustrated.

I definitely recommend a basic command of Spanish before traveling here. Not required, but definitely recommended.

Crra 45D is to the west of Crras 45 in parallel. Real Sexi is just a block from the casa you visited. Check the map please. Good info on Dulce Compania, or sexi 2. I will visit there in spring. I was at Sexi on 45D last month. All the girls were big, and I was disappointed.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1519672]First of all thank you Matt Psyche for your casa map and Almotu for your scans of casa cards. This type of info is vital to get you off and running.

Today I went looking for Masajes Sexi carrera 45D #57-67 but wound up at Carrera 45 (no D) # 57-55 (Up a staircase).37K / 30 min.

The girl said this was Sexi 2. The other Sexi I belive a block or two from parque periodista.

But where is 45 "D". I asked a few shop owners but they weren't sure and most lead me to carrera 45.

By the way #57-55 has a good line up IMO. Three out of six were very pretty. I wound up taking adriana for 30 minutes. I ate her pussy and ass bigtime. Hot little 21 year old witha wet sntach and she kept playing with herself after I was done.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Av8r;1518762].I hope people don't look at Liquid as just a place to get chicas. It's a party place where gringos can meet up with friends and party in a friendly atmosphere.[/QUOTE]I thought it would be great for that at first. Especially since most of my friends already have girlfriends or dates for the night before going out. However, I can't get most of my friends to return because the drink prices are so high.

[QUOTE=Nabru;1519721]I thought it would be great for that at first. Especially since most of my friends already have girlfriends or dates for the night before going out. However, I can't get most of my friends to return because the drink prices are so high.[/QUOTE]Stopped by a few weeks ago and paid something like 14,000COP for a rum and coke. The place was dead but that was before the new image so I thought I would try again for the big SuperBowl party. I think the owners were trying to get the place to break-even and were pricing drinks to get there. Hopefully the new business model can bring down the prices.

[QUOTE]Crra 45D is to the west of Crras 45 in parallel. Real Sexi is just a block from the casa you visited. Check the map please. Good info on Dulce Compania, or sexi 2. I will visit there in spring. I was at Sexi on 45D last month. All the girls were big, and I was disappointed.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I will look for it next time.

I will do my best to update info as my trip progresses.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXP5yu0552E[/url] The game is the same everywhere, I just enjoyed the rent a car analogy

[QUOTE=TweedleD; 1519840][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXP5yu0552E[/url]

The game is the same everywhere, I just enjoyed the rent a car analogy[/QUOTE]Cubadave speaks the truth, LOL, comparing the hobby to a rent-a-benz.

Found a couple of places over on the west side of town (Estadio)

First was Tantra Masaje Cra 80 #44b-139.

Two story house on west side of cra 80 a few blocks north of San Juan (open gate with address written in large letters on front)

Only had one girl at the time but was early. Quoted 70K for 30 minutes and 100k for hour, full service.

Said they had service with hot tub for extra but the girl was about a 2 so I wasn't about to find out.

Acuabella, CL 50 (Colombia) #78A-11.

Walk further up Colombia after Energy, it's just after a large Swedish makeup / spa place on 2nd floor.

Usually have 3 girls working. 40k for half hour massage and handjob. 70k same but she takes her clothes off. 100k full service one-hour.

Been there twice but only committed once. Paula. 20yrs personable but not that great of a massage or happy ending. Not bad for 40k and close to home.

[QUOTE=TweedleD; 1519840][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXP5yu0552E[/url]

The game is the same everywhere, I just enjoyed the rent a car analogy[/QUOTE]CubaDave should be inducted into the hall of fame.

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1504106][url]Http://www.colombiajake.com/[/url][/QUOTE]December was busy and all three guests enjoyed there stay. I feel good when guys tell me it was the best vacation ever! This month is slow but I get a chance to hang out with my beautiful girlfriend. The feeling you get being with a young beautiful girl who actually cares about you is rare, so I am enjoying every night together as if its the last! I put up a new video on Colombiajake. Com with her so take a look. I have a tour tonight with several guys coming in from Manhattan and staying at the Charlie but other than just living the dream!

Jake

[QUOTE=Colombia Jake; 1520441]December was busy and all three guests enjoyed there stay. I feel good when guys tell me it was the best vacation ever! This month is slow but I get a chance to hang out with my beautiful girlfriend. The feeling you get being with a young beautiful girl who actually cares about you is rare, so I am enjoying every night together as if its the last! I put up a new video on Colombiajake. Com with her so take a look. I have a tour tonight with several guys coming in from Manhattan and staying at the Charlie but other than just living the dream!

Jake[/QUOTE]Hey, I saw that video, looked pretty good to me! [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RghjHMYXPo8[/url]

[QUOTE=MdeJohn;1519763]Stopped by a few weeks ago and paid something like 14,000COP for a rum and coke. The place was dead but that was before the new image so I thought I would try again for the big SuperBowl party. I think the owners were trying to get the place to break-even and were pricing drinks to get there. Hopefully the new business model can bring down the prices.[/QUOTE]Do they have different pricing depending on the day of the week or did prices increase? I was there on a weekday and paid 5k for a beer. Then I went on a weekend and paying like 8k.

Been to;

Chicaspuntocom Calle 54 Caracas No. 49-97 2nd floor tel 321 755 5120.

. Shabby line up of maybe 5 girls but IMO a good place for those that like to negotiate for extras. WHY? Because the girls are of lower quality and I doubt make much money. I settled on joanna Deer In Headlights shy timid but willing to please. Did the obligatory buttlick and BBBJ. Shy and timid but decent. Gave her 5K propina for her efforts. I probably will not go back. 33K / 30 minutes.

Club Seduccion Carerra 43 (giradot) #52-45. No answer buzzed and knocked a few times. It should be taken off the list.

Paisa Relax Cr. 45 #57-71 37K / 30 min.

A step up from shabby line up not quite a disaster. Found an older chica that was willing to please yet no BBBJ. I probably would not go back.

Aiffe- Calle 57 #43-27 (matts list says also #43-33. This is not the case anymore). Stick to #43-27. The map should be adjusted.

Avoid this place! Walked in had price list in english! There is a beautiful girl with japanese blood I wanted to do but right off the bat negotiations went downhill. She wants a propina for this and that and this and that. Chose jimena instead who I was able to negotiate with after listening to her BS. My deal was YOU do BBBJ and depending on your service your tip will reflect it. Bad service very bad tip (a little something for doing a BBBJ) good service better tip. She pulled through and gave me a rather decent BBBJ cum on tits but far from a warm reception in la cama. I would normally do a 5K tip (The Norm for me) but gave her 10K! WHY? The energy was so negative in the place that I wanted to leave in peace without anymore BS. Not so though because when I thanked the mananager he asked me if I had already paid? REALLY? Like you would let me session for 30 minutes without paying FIRST? AVOID but the japanese girl was hot if you are ready to BS with her and open your wallet. You really shouldn't though. 37K / 30 min.

Sorry for the typos but you know how internet cafes go.

To be continued

I'm grateful to everyone that comments, reviews and helps out on the board. I find it very humorous how someone people just gang up on each other. I'm not knocking anyone by any means but what I don't understand how anyone would have high expectations when only paying 37k for service and 5k tip. Unless my math is wrong that's about $20 US. What type of service are you expecting? Again not knocking on anyone and their hustle or system I just don't understand what the big deal is. What am I missing?

[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1520852]Been to;

Chicaspuntocom Calle 54 Caracas No. 49-97 2nd floor tel 321 755 5120.

Shabby line up of maybe 5 girls but IMO a good place for those that like to negotiate for extras. WHY? Because the girls are of lower quality and I doubt make much money. I settled on joanna Deer In Headlights shy timid but willing to please. Did the obligatory buttlick and BBBJ. Shy and timid but decent. Gave her 5K propina for her efforts. I probably will not go back. 33K / 30 minutes.

Club Seduccion Carerra 43 (giradot) #52-45. No answer buzzed and knocked a few times. It should be taken off the list.

Paisa Relax Cr. 45 #57-71 37K / 30 min.

A step up from shabby line up not quite a disaster. Found an older chica that was willing to please yet no BBBJ. I probably would not go back.

Aiffe- Calle 57 #43-27 (matts list says also #43-33. This is not the case anymore). Stick to #43-27. The map should be adjusted.

Avoid this place! Walked in had price list in english! There is a beautiful girl with japanese blood I wanted to do but right off the bat negotiations went downhill. She wants a propina for this and that and this and that. Chose jimena instead who I was able to negotiate with after listening to her BS. My deal was YOU do BBBJ and depending on your service your tip will reflect it. Bad service very bad tip (a little something for doing a BBBJ) good service better tip. She pulled through and gave me a rather decent BBBJ cum on tits but far from a warm reception in la cama. I would normally do a 5K tip (The Norm for me) but gave her 10K! WHY? The energy was so negative in the place that I wanted to leave in peace without anymore BS. Not so though because when I thanked the mananager he asked me if I had already paid? REALLY? Like you would let me session for 30 minutes without paying FIRST? AVOID but the japanese girl was hot if you are ready to BS with her and open your wallet. You really shouldn't though. 37K / 30 min.

Sorry for the typos but you know how internet cafes go.

To be continued[/QUOTE]Interesting report Artisttyp. Sounds like a lot of places NOT to go to. I like how you get right to the negotiations right up front, no beating around the Bush, so to speak. Glad to see you're back in Medellin, Colombia again. Its seems like its been a few years since you were last there. What hotel are you staying at?