East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=SamCan;2290128]The chinese give her 3000 for FS at the KTV so she's not interested in judys anymore. [/QUOTE]Can someone please explain to me why the pricing is so high in China? In USA it doesn't cost anything like 3000 rmb ($450!) or 1700 rmb ($250!) for a lay.

I just don't get it. USA is a 1st class country where you can get a lay from an nice online girl or escort for $100- 150 easy. Why doesn't China have that? Who in their right mind would pay to bang a Viet or anything in China for so much money when we can get better girls for much less in USA? Just next door to China sex is dirt cheap. WHY?? Am I missing something? Do cheap lays exist in China? If so, how to find them? (Honest questions for an upcoming first timer)

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2289859] - never go to girls apartments - always be in control of your situation - [/QUOTE]I think one exception to this may be incalls with girls affiliated with a reliable agency that likely cares about its reputation. But it still scares me a little, and some of these girls live in shitty compounds so you may stick out when you're walking around looking for the building.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2290158]I think one exception to this may be incalls with girls affiliated with a reliable agency that likely cares about its reputation. But it still scares me a little, and some of these girls live in shitty compounds so you may stick out when you're walking around looking for the building.[/QUOTE]We all make decisions. My advice before you make a decision is NEVER go to a girls apartment. ALWAYS maintain TOTAL CONTROL of your situation.

This GEM in these pictures is out and out the BEST Viet I have ever had in SH - it was August 2010 and I cut her from the herd at Manhattan (Existing Location) - oh and 'They are REAL and they are SPECTACULAR)

[QUOTE=Free2;2290153]Can someone please explain to me why the pricing is so high in China? In USA it doesn't cost anything like 3000 rmb ($450!) or 1700 rmb ($250!) for a lay.
)[/QUOTE]These are great questions so let me help. The chinese have a different culture about money. Having money is new to them. Sometimes they like to brag about what they spent more than they brag about the girl. KTVs are strange expensive experiences on their own. Renting a room, having girls sit with you and having drinks with them that you buy, getting drunk and eventually paying too much to take a girl home after the night ends. It's always baffled me but I've come to the conclusion that's the way it is.

Let's talk judys and manhattans. Read my past posts. I have been a long standing person with the samcan 1000 rmb ($150) 2 pop rule. Many didn't get that price from one particular girl and told me I was crazy. A lot of factors play in. If a girl had one customer already she may be holding out for more on the second. You may be a nationality that gets a bad reputation due to others of that nationality that didn't treat girls well. Lets face it. They are WG but You may not be appealing to her for some reason. And she's less interested. I am older now and I find some younger girls look away from me when I approach. They will take me but I'm not their first choice. I am not interested in those girls for such a personal act.

My theory was I could always get it for 1000 so with the number of girls there I would move on to the next. I always got what I wanted for 1000 with 2 pops. It was almost sport LOL. This trip may be my last trip for a long time. I have been negotiating at 1200 ($180). Because frankly at $30 more I am hagggling less and I don't care.

My hotel is an hour from manhattans. Mostly my girls and contacts are near there. I am in an area of expats and working girls are more hidden and the MPs want so much in HJ tips I bring in my own. A girl will pay 200 rmb round trip to come to my area. Usual pricing to get a judys girl here is 200 taxi plus the 1200 I have paid this trip or 1400. (210). Taxi rates go up in the evening. I can't remembber when. They almost double. I usually don't worry about this but lilli as I said is special to me and I've actually had a freebie the last time with her. Paying lilli 1700 was still cheaper averaged out. I wouldn't have paid that to any other girl in Shanghai unless she was a model. Lilli is not but she's almost like a girlfriend for me.

I am usually not such a sucker but the GFE I got from lilli last night was better than the other 5 girls I had this week. Hey it’s my cash and over paying lilli didn’t kill the market for the rest of you or change the 2 pop rule.

[QUOTE=Free2;2290153]Can someone please explain to me why the pricing is so high in China? In USA it doesn't cost anything like 3000 rmb ($450!) or 1700 rmb ($250!) for a lay.

I just don't get it. USA is a 1st class country where you can get a lay from an nice online girl or escort for $100- 150 easy. Why doesn't China have that? Who in their right mind would pay to bang a Viet or anything in China for so much money when we can get better girls for much less in USA? Just next door to China sex is dirt cheap. WHY?? Am I missing something? Do cheap lays exist in China? If so, how to find them? (Honest questions for an upcoming first timer)[/QUOTE]$100-150? Where do I find these girls? (I'm me if you'the rather not say publically). My experience is I can get an older or chunkier girl for $200. Any girl that is Manhattan worthy in the US will be $400/ HR minimum. So do tell where you can find a $100 beauty in the US?

[QUOTE=Free2;2290153]Can someone please explain to me why the pricing is so high in China? In USA it doesn't cost anything like 3000 rmb ($450!) or 1700 rmb ($250!) for a lay.

I just don't get it. USA is a 1st class country where you can get a lay from an nice online girl or escort for $100- 150 easy. Why doesn't China have that? Who in their right mind would pay to bang a Viet or anything in China for so much money when we can get better girls for much less in USA? Just next door to China sex is dirt cheap. WHY?? Am I missing something? Do cheap lays exist in China? If so, how to find them? (Honest questions for an upcoming first timer)[/QUOTE]You're confusing several things. The 2000-3000 sauna girls are for the upper and upper middle class Shanghai locals. Remember this is Shanghai, which is the wealthiest or second wealthiest city in China and relative to the number of Chinese guys who can afford that price, the supply of sauna hookers is relatively low. The saunas are usually busy. The Korean and Japanese business travelers also love these places.

The 1000-1500 RMB Viets are mostly for Westerners. I don't now where you find online hookers for 100-150 USD but not where I live. Comparatively speaking the Viets are better value than what I can get in my city, even though they're a pretty shitty value when you consider other places in the world like the Philippines.

The middle class Chinese locals rarely go to saunas and their main source of women are the QQ and WeChat girls that cost 400-500 a pop.

So basically your "3000 RMB" covers only one segment of China's P4P scene and the prices overall are in-line with the actual market.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2290244]This GEM in these pictures is out and out the BEST Viet I have ever had in SH - it was August 2010 and I cut her from the herd at Manhattan (Existing Location) - oh and 'They are REAL and they are SPECTACULAR)[/QUOTE]Stunning bone structure. And everything else you said already. Pics of the week IMHO.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2290270] This trip may be my last trip for a long time. I have been negotiating at 1200 ($180). Because frankly at $30 more I am hagggling less and I don't care.[/QUOTE]Sam, I tried to send you a PM, but your inbox seems full.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2290305]$100-150? Where do I find these girls? (I'm me if you'the rather not say publically). My experience is I can get an older or chunkier girl for $200. Any girl that is Manhattan worthy in the US will be $400/ HR minimum. So do tell where you can find a $100 beauty in the US?[/QUOTE]Are you and Free2 quoting FS prices at AMPS in the USA? The owner of the Patriots recently got busted at an AMP in FL that only offers HJs (I have reliable intel that the spa that he visited is just a happy ending place). [URL]https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/22/us/robert-kraft-solicitation/index.html[/URL].

Upon reading about this raid, I googled AMPS and raids, and apparently they are happening all over the USA So, maybe even these options are soon to disappear entirely. BTW, I can confirm that you can get FS with 8's in AMPS in the states, but depends on the state. House fee is 50-70, while tip for FS is 100-160.

Don't forget Manhattan used to house a variety of ethnicities before the wall to wall array of Viets. Here is the best Mongolian I had from Manhattan. Mum was Mongol and Dad a Russian. I actually nailed her older sister out of Maggies in BJ couple months earlier and when I saw this gem I thought it was her. They could pass for IDENTICAL twins.

And one of Spanish flavour. All the way from Barcelona:

As I mentioned was not that long ago you could black a dark skinned gem from Judys. But alas those days are gone. Hopefully they will return.

This is a 21 yo Kenyan beauty. God I loved this girl. From 3 years ago and we are still in contact but she is back home building a career for herself:

(Tell me when you are sick of the pics and I will stop posting).

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2290667]Don't forget Manhattan used to house a variety of ethnicities before the wall to wall array of Viets. Here is the best Mongolian I had from Manhattan. Mum was Mongol and Dad a Russian. I actually nailed her older sister out of Maggies in BJ couple months earlier and when I saw this gem I thought it was her. They could pass for IDENTICAL twins.[/QUOTE]What a timely post. I hope to try my first Mongolian girl from Maggie's about 2 weeks hence. Anything to know about Maggie's that differs? Or is it basically Manhattan in Beijing?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2290693]What a timely post. I hope to try my first Mongolian girl from Maggie's about 2 weeks hence. Anything to know about Maggie's that differs? Or is it basically Manhattan in Beijing?[/QUOTE]Lets keep BJ posting to BJ thread. Ask a Q there mate.

I hung out at judys last night forever. Loving the vibe getting tequila poured down my throat by hot bar babes. Swung back to manhattans to look around. Male female ratio still off. Saw a real stunner there. It was early and I wasn't ready. I went back later and of course she was gone. Back to judys.

Girls were thinning out and recycling back through. I saw a couple of interest but met a wing man I didn't know and we were having a good night swapping stories. About 230. I got ready to go. There was a little 28 YO spinner named HA. We had been talking most of the night. She kept eyeing me. I offered 1000 for two pops. I figured she would jump. Her girlfriend had pointed me out. Yuwen from an earlier post. Since the girl knew I paid 1400 for delivery to pudong. She was mad about the offer. She said 1500.

I held firm and walked away. She kept eyeing me. I went and talked to a couple other girls letting her know she lose a customer finally I offered 1200 two pops. She took it. Back to the hotel. Yes it was a lot of play and wasted time but it was sport. Almost didn’t care if I went back alone. A long week and all

She's 40 kg I doubt 5 feet tall. Nice little spinner body. Tight pussy. She brought her own KY and loves DATY. We showered, BJ standard routine and a good Finish. She stayed after and we cuddled. She asked to stay the night. Had been telling me all along she liked me. I can only sleep alone. Sent her on her way and in bed to sleep by 4 am.

So I bent or broke the 2 pop rule. Maybe it's not possible anymore but I really didn't try enough girls and my price for this trip is known well at judys. Ether way 1000 will still get you through. 1200 can get you 2 with some later in the night.

Ratings are subjective but I figure below for most of you.

HA.

Cute body - 8 if you like spinners and no silicone or tattoos.

Face. -7/8. I Say 7. 5.

Attitude / performance 7/8.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2290669]And one of Spanish flavour. All the way from Barcelona:[/QUOTE]No one will get tired of photos m8! Though are you a native Spanish speaker? If not she's probably lying to you and she's from Latin America. I've seen some Colombians and Venezuelans working in these two bars. Why would a girl from Spain work in SH? Reading the Barcelona thread, even there most girls are from Latin America or somewhere else in Europe.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2290495]You're confusing several things. The 2000-3000 sauna girls are for the upper and upper middle class Shanghai locals. Remember this is Shanghai, which is the wealthiest or second wealthiest city in China and relative to the number of Chinese guys who can afford that price, the supply of sauna hookers is relatively low. The saunas are usually busy. The Korean and Japanese business travelers also love these places.

The 1000-1500 RMB Viets are mostly for Westerners. I don't now where you find online hookers for 100-150 USD but not where I live. Comparatively speaking the Viets are better value than what I can get in my city, even though they're a pretty shitty value when you consider other places in the world like the Philippines.

The middle class Chinese locals rarely go to saunas and their main source of women are the QQ and WeChat girls that cost 400-500 a pop.

So basically your "3000 RMB" covers only one segment of China's P4P scene and the prices overall are in-line with the actual market.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. What is QQ?

[QUOTE=Free2;2290994]Thanks for that. What is QQ?[/QUOTE]QQ is a messaging app like WeChat owned by the same company.

The high price you see now is a result of supply being choked. The reduction of supply affects prices of other countries too. Chinese are not all rich. That is why many Chinese go to other SEA countries. This increases demand in other countries and causes the price to go up. It is very obvious if you go to KTVs in Vietnam. They don't even have enough girls for mongers.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2290921]No one will get tired of photos m8! Though are you a native Spanish speaker? If not she's probably lying to you and she's from Latin America. I've seen some Colombians and Venezuelans working in these two bars. Why would a girl from Spain work in SH? Reading the Barcelona thread, even there most girls are from Latin America or somewhere else in Europe.[/QUOTE]100% guarantee she is Spanish. Passports do not lie.

Last day in Shanghai met ha again mid day. She was more friendly and happy to see me again. Went to judys and manhattans that night not sure I had it in me. Saw a stunner at manhattans for 2000. Over to judys, took Lilly of the first. Night. I Told her I didn't know if I could pop a third time in 20 hours but she would be the one to do it. Back in the room multiple positions teabagged me and licks me from front to back with deep penetration of my butt with her tongue.

I ride her for a long time she rides me. Its Not going to happen she finished me with an long fast HJ and a finger up the butt. Nasty girl I Love her. hahaa. Score for the week 9 sessions 10 pops and 7 different gifs in 8 days with a very full work week.
A fitting end.


Midwestern you are hereby challenged! Haha

This may be it for me in Shanghai. I dont know if I will make it back there anytime soon if ever again. I will continue to post as long as I have relevant data. I have tried to give back as many have to me when I started. You may see me in other countries as things unfold

I truly enjoyed Shanghai

For now samcan out!!!!

[QUOTE=SamCan;2291515]Last day in Shanghai met ha again mid day. She was more friendly and happy to see me again. Went to judys and manhattans that night not sure I had it in me. Saw a stunner at manhattans for 2000. Over to judys, took Lilly of the first. Night. I Told her I didn't know if I could pop a third time in 20 hours but she would be the one to do it. Back in the room multiple positions teabagged me and licks me from front to back with deep penetration of my butt with her tongue.

I ride her for a long time she rides me. Its Not going to happen she finished me with an long fast HJ and a finger up the butt. Nasty girl I Love her. hahaa. Score for the week 9 sessions 10 pops and 7 different gifs in 8 days with a very full work week.
A fitting end.

This may be it for me in Shanghai. I dont know if I will make it back there anytime soon if ever again. I will continue to post as long as I have relevant data. I have tried to give back as many have to me when I started. You may see me in other countries as things unfold

I truly enjoyed Shanghai

For now samcan out!!!![/QUOTE]SamCan you have done yourself and the forum proud. Thanks for all the give-back. Manhattan is the first stop on my tour so I will be ready for two pops and see if I can channel the SamCan magic. I promise a full report out as usual. Thanks again for keeping the girls busy during my extended absence.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2291194]100% guarantee she is Spanish. Passports do not lie.[/QUOTE]A WG girl bringing her passport to Manhattan's / Judy's and a monger asking for a passport, either of these things occurring, let alone both is. Rare. Let's say that happened, I'm not here to debate you on that. All I'm saying is that you're more likely to find a hot Latin American lady in those bars than a western European.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2291562]A WG girl bringing her passport to Manhattan's / Judy's and a monger asking for a passport, either of these things occurring, let alone both is. Rare. Let's say that happened, I'm not here to debate you on that. All I'm saying is that you're more likely to find a hot Latin American lady in those bars than a western European.[/QUOTE]You a regular visitor to these bars mate? Believe what you want mate. Go ask the girls from Judys / Manhattan how many have their passports with them. You might be very surprised.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2291629]You a regular visitor to these bars mate? Believe what you want mate. Go ask the girls from Judys / Manhattan how many have their passports with them. You might be very surprised.[/QUOTE]Yes they all have passports under their tiny little dresses ready to whip out to any monger who wishes to look:

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2291629]You a regular visitor to these bars mate? Believe what you want mate. Go ask the girls from Judys / Manhattan how many have their passports with them. You might be very surprised.[/QUOTE]Chinese police are known to come and ask the girls for passports. A monger actually interested is a surprise. Why would you care?

[QUOTE=SamCan;2291745]Chinese police are known to come and ask the girls for passports. A monger actually interested is a surprise. Why would you care?[/QUOTE]Just a random guess that BBB would not pass for a Chinese policeman?

Several days ago, I had a one night layover in Shanghai and I contacted Cathy a few days beforehand to see if she would be available. She completed the screening process and told me she would be. She showed up well dressed with a bottle of wine which was a nice gesture. She is a beautiful lady about 5'1 or 5'2 tops, with a nice athletic body and great backside.

We talked for a while before moving to the main event where she has a very wide open menu! I won't go into details here but it was a very hot time for sure! You can just look on her website or her posts in the classified area to get an idea. Her rates might be slightly higher than what you can find elsewhere but she is a highly reviewed provider so you know she will provide a great service. Just my 0.02.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=SamCan;2291515]
Midwestern you are hereby challenged! Haha

[/QUOTE]In Shanghai, I might do one incall with FS and / or one MP with HJ per week. But when I take trips to Beijing, my numbers are comparable to yours, but where you exceed me is your 2 pop rule. After my first pop, I want her to leave ASAP, haha.

Anyway, thanks for the great reporting, Sam. Safe travels, and I hope we can hang out someday.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2291649]Yes they all have passports under their tiny little dresses ready to whip out to any monger who wishes to look:[/QUOTE]You have just displayed your TOTAL lack of knowledge re the China scene. I am guessing you probably have never been to China let alone in Judys or Manhattan - nybody who is is a REGULAR visitor to Judys or Manhattan has probably witnessed LE doing search or random checks INSIDE these bars and inspecting the Passports from Viet visitors. If they cannot produce Passport on the spot then its a visit to local Cop Shop.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2291745]Chinese police regularly come and ask the girls for passports. A monger actually interested is a surprise. Why would you care?[/QUOTE]Why would I ever see a girls Passport? Could be 1,000 reasons why - none of which require explaining. I'm surprised people want CBJ but none my business.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2291917]You have just displayed your TOTAL lack of knowledge re the China scene. I am guessing you probably have never been to China let alone in Judys or Manhattan - nybody who is is a REGULAR visitor to Judys or Manhattan has probably witnessed LE doing search or random checks INSIDE these bars and inspecting the Passports from Viet visitors. If they cannot produce Passport on the spot then its a visit to local Cop Shop.[/QUOTE]Right OK. Check when my first Shanghai report is on ISG. I've never witnessed cops doing random checks inside these bars, nor have ISG members reported this frequently enough that makes me think I'm just coming on lucky days. People have "heard" but how many have actually seen?

Anyways I like you enough since you contribute good content to this forum so I'll stop with this silly little discussion.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2291917]You have just displayed your TOTAL lack of knowledge re the China scene. I am guessing you probably have never been to China let alone in Judys or Manhattan - nybody who is is a REGULAR visitor to Judys or Manhattan has probably witnessed LE doing search or random checks INSIDE these bars and inspecting the Passports from Viet visitors. If they cannot produce Passport on the spot then its a visit to local Cop Shop.

Why would I ever see a girls Passport? Could be 1,000 reasons why - none of which require explaining. I'm surprised people want CBJ but none my business.[/QUOTE]

Haha touch billy but my CBJ is tied to many years of marriage worth more than the thrill compare to explaining where the STD came from. My risk is great enough in this play without additional chances

Mine was actually a serious question to a man as worldly as you may know something I don't and could benefit if you could share one of those 1000 reasons for us newbies. Others were poking at you. I was not.

Of course if we caught you in a not fully accurate statement before. I truly apologize. Not my intent but your indignant answer now makes me more curious.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2291955]Right OK. Check when my first Shanghai report is on ISG. I've never witnessed cops doing random checks inside these bars, nor have ISG members reported this frequently enough that makes me think I'm just coming on lucky days. People have "heard" but how many have actually seen?

Anyways I like you enough since you contribute good content to this forum so I'll stop with this silly little discussion.[/QUOTE]Tass. To Billy's credit. I saw it once in 10 years in Manhattan's probably 5-6 years ago when I was in sh 8 times a year.

Girls also need their passport to register as a guest at your hotel if the hotel forces it. They therefore. Need it to do business.

I THINK by law you need to carry with you at all times but I never do.

It’s still not clear to me what his interests would be to see it and he’s not sharing

[QUOTE=SamCan;2291968]
Its still not clear to me what his interests would be to see it and hes not sharing[/QUOTE]I thought the answer was obvious based on the reaction in post 13008.

I'm beating a dead horse, but I'm sure every girl in Manhattans and Judy's carry their passport with them, in case the hotel decides to check or register them. In China, it's actually the law for every person to have ID on them at all times. But the only time I ever looked at a WG's ID was to make sure she was at least 18 or 21 years old. If I like what I see, I don't care what nationality she is. Haha.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2291968]Tass. To Billy's credit. I saw it once in 10 years in Manhattan's probably 5-6 years ago when I was in sh 8 times a year.

Girls also need their passport to register as a guest at your hotel if the hotel forces it. They therefore. Need it to do business.

I THINK by law you need to carry with you at all times but I never do.

Its still not clear to me what his interests would be to see it and hes not sharing[/QUOTE]I've brought many girls back and they've never had to register. I've brought them back to Motel 168's, hostels, as well as higher end hotels on places like W. Huaihai Lu. Never once. I've brought back every kind of girl from Chinese, Viet, Latina, African. I've called up girls via WeChat to come to me unescorted directly to my room. No checks either. I'm sure the police check once in a while and some girls carry their passports. I don't argue that. But to say that most girls carry passports either means he literally asked every girl he met for passports or he doesn't have enough data to say that with any level of accuracy.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2291982]I thought the answer was obvious based on the reaction in post 13008.[/QUOTE]Obvious to those that not only read but can also comprehend. And here are another couple:

1. How old are you honey. I am 22 - I do not believe you. More like 28 - NO 22 - OK show me your passport. OK.

2. After taking naked pic she looks at it and says. That is worse picture than my Passport. Really? Show me your Passport. OK - you really need me to go on?

What is wrong with you guys? I have seen LE in Manhattan at least 6 times over the last 18 years. Judys maybe 4 or 5 times. Maybe I just spend way too many nights there.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2291968]I THINK by law you need to carry with you at all times but I never do.[/QUOTE].

Absolutely it is law in China for ALL foreigners to carry their Passports on their person at ALL times. OMG nothing more basic than that. Working girls in bars 100% - other foreigners like me and you absolutely not needed unless you want to catch a train, bus or plane or such.

How many of you armchair experts know anything about the 50 Mongol girls who got rounded up and deported from Maggies a few years back?

Post some pics. Wondering whether or not someone looks at Passports or if LE has ever checked girls in bars is for losers. None of those here are there?

Pics should go into Photo Gallery BTW. But since these aren't really meant to get anyone off and more informational, they arguably belong here. For some context, this is just a single trip at a single hotel. Hopefully you can tell from the blinds the room is the exact same. 1, 2, 3, - Viets from M or J. 4 - Chinese girl from a Chinese sugar daddy website. 5 - African from Judys. She says she's from Zimbabwe, more likely from Kenya. I didn't ask for her passport LOL. 6 - Chinese girl from a nearby BBS.

Number of times the girls were asked for their IDs by the hotel: 0.

Number of times I asked for the girls' IDs: 0.

Sorry. Didn't mean to get you so wound up...... . Back to regularly scheduled programming.

Can we please just move on from this passport and ID talk? Seriously, it seems people are leaving msgs just for the sake of having the last word. I assume we can all agree we are grown men just looking to share and inform experiences regarding snatch. I could care less if someone's experience differs from mine. If you disagree with what someone says, make a statement and leave it at that. Everyone's experiences varies, everyone's taste varies, what every person wants varies as well. Just leave it at that and move on!

K.

Hi every one.

I was in Shanghai 1 week and had 2 experience.

First one I called a lady that after that understood he is pimp, and send me a girl that couldn't speak English, so rush but loss was good 600 rmb.

Then I needed more professional one, I chose a girl name hanh he was one of best, one hour chat before arrival and remain more than 1 hour and loss was 1200 rmb including taxi fee.

She was Vietnamese and I recommend her.

[QUOTE=JimmyBomb;2293185]Hi every one.

I was in Shanghai 1 week and had 2 experience.

First one I called a lady that after that understood he is pimp, and send me a girl that couldn't speak English, so rush but loss was good 600 rmb.

Then I needed more professional one, I chose a girl name hanh he was one of best, one hour chat before arrival and remain more than 1 hour and loss was 1200 rmb including taxi fee.

She was Vietnamese and I recommend her.[/QUOTE]Great that you had a good time but for your message to be a usable report, there needs to be some kind of info to find the provider you are mentioning.

Gentlemen,

Hoping one of you fellas can help a monger out. Met sunnycn on DIA a couple months ago. Long story short, we developed an online relationship and I was planning to meet her in Shanghai but things went south and she did something which really pissed me off, so I'm hoping one of you guys would be up for a little challenge. Basically, you'd have to chat her up on DIA and pretend you're not in China (if you are) as she prefers to find a guy not living in Shanghai (she claims foreigners living in China / Shanghai are all players). After establishing an online relationship you'd have to tell her you want to fly to Shanghai and meet her, power fuck the shit out of her on my behalf, then leave.

What I know: First, see the attached pic. I know her real name but not sure I can post it here. She's 47, works as an auditor at a joint venture company, is 5'1", has no tits, was previously married to a Brit in the early 2000's, got divorced, had a Brit boyfriend in Shanghai after that, then has since joined DIA looking for a new beau. She's very adamant about not doing webcam sex although I did get her to quickly flash her chest and part of her ass one time. She acts like a "proper" Chinese lady online so a lot of explicit talk won't work with her.

After you fuck the hell out of her and make her pussy sore, I would ask that you make an excuse to break the relationship, tell her it was a revenge fuck for an American friend that she pissed off, post all the details here or PM me with them.

Anyone willing to help a fellow monger out?

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2293407]Gentlemen,

After you fuck the hell out of her and make her pussy sore, I would ask that you make an excuse to break the relationship, tell her it was a revenge fuck for an American friend that she pissed off, post all the details here or PM me with them.

Anyone willing to help a fellow monger out?[/QUOTE]"Gentlemen" do you even understand the meaning of this word? You are a sore piece of sh...
Who cares she pissed you off, it doesn't excuse posting a civilian photo on this kind of board and asking for this kind of BS. This board is about sharing consented P2 P, not about trying to ruin other people's life.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2293478]"Gentlemen" do you even understand the meaning of this word? You are a sore piece of sh...
Who cares she pissed you off, it doesn't excuse posting a civilian photo on this kind of board and asking for this kind of BS. This board is about sharing consented P2 P, not about trying to ruin other people's life.[/QUOTE]Agree. I have reported the post. I encourage others to do so too, and help keep the thread clean. Well, almost.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2293551]Agree. I have reported the post. I encourage others to do so too, and help keep the thread clean. Well, almost.[/QUOTE]Keep your holier than thou shit to yourself. You're a monger, so don't think for a moment that anything you do or any activity you read about here is "clean. " SMH.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2293579]Keep your holier than thou shit to yourself. You're a monger, so don't think for a moment that anything you do or any activity you read about here is "clean. " SMH.[/QUOTE]Perhaps you missed the "well almost". But I won't fight you on it, you probably need help anyway.

You have made it to my ignore list. Congratulations.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2293582]Perhaps you missed the "well almost". But I won't fight you on it, you probably need help anyway.

You have made it to my ignore list. Congratulations.[/QUOTE]OK, peaches. Nobody likes a rat (you) and feel free to hide under your mother's skirt. If you think for a moment that you can hide from my extensive group of friends, you're about to find out the hard way that you can't.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2293478]"Gentlemen" do you even understand the meaning of this word? You are a sore piece of sh...
Who cares she pissed you off, it doesn't excuse posting a civilian photo on this kind of board and asking for this kind of BS. This board is about sharing consented P2 P, not about trying to ruin other people's life.[/QUOTE]Apparently you don't know that the working girls you fuck are civilians and the lines of demarcation are very thin at times between the good and bad. This witch I am talking about crossed the line and is a piece of shit, no longer an innocent "civilian," as you put it. If you want to play Capt. Save-A-Ho, put a ring on her finger and deal with her special ways. To me, she is a piece of shit. I'm quite sure if she had pissed you off to the degree she has to me, you'd be ranting about her somehow. If a fellow monger asked me to do such a favor, I'd be more than happy to rip her evil pussy apart.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2293637]This witch I am talking about crossed the line and is a piece of shit, no longer an innocent "civilian," as you put it. If you want to play Capt. Save-A-Ho, put a ring on her finger and deal with her special ways. To me, she is a piece of shit. I'm quite sure if she had pissed you off to the degree she has to me, you'd be ranting about her somehow. If a fellow monger asked me to do such a favor, I'd be more than happy to rip her evil pussy apart.[/QUOTE]You say in your 1st message you haven't even met her and have only been cybering her online so I really wonder what she may have done to you which could be so bad besides hurting your ego.

Besides, even if you paid me, I wouldn't be physically attracted to this girl so I wonder why you've been wasting so much time on her. There is so much to enjoy in this hobby with people willingly taking part into it and generaly much better looking...

Trying to hurt a girl because you didn't get what you wanted out of online cybering is utterly stupid. Grow up and stop being such a coward.

ISG members stop all the pissing contents. If something is stupid or offensive simply use the ignore button. Half of ISG is on my ignore list because they respond and quote the offender.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2293584]OK, peaches. Nobody likes a rat (you) and feel free to hide under your mother's skirt. If you think for a moment that you can hide from my extensive group of friends, you're about to find out the hard way that you can't.[/QUOTE]Usually I just lurk and don't comment at all. But this *gem* really gave me the giggles.

His "extensive group of friends"? Why not have your "extensive group of friends" take care of this revenge nonsense for you?

What I really enjoy is the threat to have his "extensive group of friends" make you regret ever questioning him.

To OP:

It's the interweb. You think you're tough here but in reality you are just looking the fool. Big stupid fool.

You initial request was bullshit. To ask someone to spend the inordinate amount of time to get revenge for you on that hapless woman is not only a ridiculous request but utterly moronic.

Why? I can spend only 2 minutes research and find a connection to a likely little spinner right here in the China forum and have a wonderful time for less than $200 for a fun filled 2 hour interlude.

You want someone who doesn't know you (and judging by your behavior and attitude here wouldn't want to know you) to invest a lot of time and effort to satisfy your petty revenge fantasy?

Nope. Grow up and get help, you've got some obvious mental issues and aggression issues. Hand, HTH.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2293407]Gentlemen,

Hoping one of you fellas can help a monger out. Met sunnycn on DIA a couple months ago. Long story short, we developed an online relationship and I was planning to meet her in Shanghai but things went south and she did something which really pissed me off, so I'm hoping one of you guys would be up for a little challenge. Basically, you'd have to chat her up on DIA and pretend you're not in China (if you are) as she prefers to find a guy not living in Shanghai (she claims foreigners living in China / Shanghai are all players). After establishing an online relationship you'd have to tell her you want to fly to Shanghai and meet her, power fuck the shit out of her on my behalf, then leave.

What I know: First, see the attached pic. I know her real name but not sure I can post it here. She's 47, works as an auditor at a joint venture company, is 5'1", has no tits, was previously married to a Brit in the early 2000's, got divorced, had a Brit boyfriend in Shanghai after that, then has since joined DIA looking for a new beau. She's very adamant about not doing webcam sex although I did get her to quickly flash her chest and part of her ass one time. She acts like a "proper" Chinese lady online so a lot of explicit talk won't work with her.

After you fuck the hell out of her and make her pussy sore, I would ask that you make an excuse to break the relationship, tell her it was a revenge fuck for an American friend that she pissed off, post all the details here or PM me with them.

Anyone willing to help a fellow monger out?[/QUOTE]Hahaha, I would totally do that! But I can't. Not signing up for DIA.

One more "senior member" on my ignore list. Now I know the fastest way to purge them".

Steve. Clean out your inbox. Judys opens at 900 but no girls are there till 930.

It can be slim at 930 you can say "I give you 1000 we go now" Girls aren't stupid. Quick throw at945 gets them back in the game by later in the night for another John.

The girl bar is directly across the street from judys. They got as low as one girl for 880 in private room. They said whatever I wanted but I didn't confirm the details. I was in the Portman a block away. I felt the girls from judys to home was a better deal but yOur call.

Sam.

Hi guys,

This is my first post. I am not here for trip and want to keep my privacy fully preserved. I also live in sh so do not have hotel where bring anybody. Last solution MP, spa or incall.

For Good and reliable MP I found good one thanks to report here. (16 jia shan road- 268 oil massage + ending + 100 or 200 fees for touching everything).

But to F not possible so I would like to know if somebody have a good address for spa (kind of fishbowl) is it still exist in sh if yes which one is food and safe.

Second option, incall a few one propose but a bit worried about safety. Found once who propose grips in apartment "A-hailey" [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] says that 3 girls work everyday and can book. Everyday they published pic.

Is anybody has a good plan for my situation?

Thanks in advance I am sure many of us are in my situation just want fuck but has a life with wife here in sh!

[QUOTE=Strephane58;2293953]
This is my first post. I am not here for trip and want to keep my privacy fully preserved. I also live in sh so do not have hotel where bring anybody. Last solution MP, spa or incall.[/QUOTE]You can try some of the Spring Massage places, renamed Yu Spa for some of them.

Three locations mentionned previously here offer HJ in the 70 min massage for 396 price (used to be 268 then 336 for same service). But many girls will propose more for tips from simple roaming of their naked body to BJ or FS. In the old days they used to harass you for recharging vip cards, nowdays its for higher service in exchange for tips.

There are also saunas but you'll have to report and contribute more / get PM access to get senior members to give you this kind of contacts.
Else you can do your homework reading chinese sites such as http://www.aishxxx.org/

Last I knew there were short time hotels. Like hanting. Express. Others know more. Get a room near judys. The rest is up to you.

[QUOTE=Khaveen;2293778]Usually I just lurk and don't comment at all. But this *gem* really gave me the giggles.

His "extensive group of friends"? Why not have your "extensive group of friends" take care of this revenge nonsense for you?

What I really enjoy is the threat to have his "extensive group of friends" make you regret ever questioning him.

To OP:

It's the interweb. You think you're tough here but in reality you are just looking the fool. Big stupid fool.

You initial request was bullshit. To ask someone to spend the inordinate amount of time to get revenge for you on that hapless woman is not only a ridiculous request but utterly moronic.

Why? I can spend only 2 minutes research and find a connection to a likely little spinner right here in the China forum and have a wonderful time for less than $200 for a fun filled 2 hour interlude.

You want someone who doesn't know you (and judging by your behavior and attitude here wouldn't want to know you) to invest a lot of time and effort to satisfy your petty revenge fantasy?

Nope. Grow up and get help, you've got some obvious mental issues and aggression issues. Hand, HTH.[/QUOTE]Really? At this point in your extensive, online mongering career (and life) you have an opinion on anything other than the weather? Nah, my initial request wasn't bullshit, it's something I would readily do for a seasoned monger.

Look, if your pacifier isn't sanitized, no reason to be pissed at me. Just deal with it.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2293724]You say in your 1st message you haven't even met her and have only been cybering her online so I really wonder what she may have done to you which could be so bad besides hurting your ego.

Besides, even if you paid me, I wouldn't be physically attracted to this girl so I wonder why you've been wasting so much time on her. There is so much to enjoy in this hobby with people willingly taking part into it and generaly much better looking...

Trying to hurt a girl because you didn't get what you wanted out of online cybering is utterly stupid. Grow up and stop being such a coward.[/QUOTE]Sinofag-uo,

I am never a coward. If you truly think so, I would be happy to meet you in person so we can discuss this or any issue you want, as long as you're in the US. I'm always open-hearted. PM me your addy and fulfill your dreams.

[QUOTE=Free2;2293827]Hahaha, I would totally do that! But I can't. Not signing up for DIA.[/QUOTE]Never mind. Just for fun, I did a mild scan of Blanquiceleste's posts, as others did. He's a board troll in Asia, trying to act politically correct on many Asia forums in an attempt to suggest he's somehow been promoted from his school crossing guard position to Admin. Got to love the hypocrisy.

First time posting after lurking for a while.

While visiting Shanghai on business (Nov '18), I was contacted on Wechat by a girl who was very near by me (about 3 blocks away). She wanted to practice English. We chatted for a day and then we decided to meet. After meeting at a neutral place for drinks, she invited me back to her place because she was attracted to me. Being a lurker on here for the past few years, I didn't believe that for a minute (I'm in my mid-50's) . I was waiting for the scam (buy me things, etc). We ended up at my hotel instead. She was in her middle 30's, little chubby, pretty face. She was sexy and sweet. We kissed for a while, and then undressed each other. After exploring each other she went down for the BBBJ. It was great. She was really into it, no rush. Then she rolled over and I got on top and began kissing some more. Real GFE. She reached down grabbed my dick and slid me in. It was bareback and it shocked me to be honest. When I came to my senses, I pulled out and then moved down to give her some tongue. She really seemed to like it. She came very sweetly (not the typical Asian loud noises). She finished me off w / BBBJ. After some cuddling she wanted to BBFS again. I told her I wasn't up for that. So she just played around w / BBBJ and sat on my face for more tongue action. Then after we both came again we fell asleep. It was a great experience.

I flew back to US the next day so we had some nice Wechat conversations. After about 2 weeks, I finally got the message I was expecting. "I'm in trouble and need help". Long story short, she wanted $50,000 because her landlord was going to kick her out. I told her no, I don't have it. Well, that was the end of the chats. Great experience, but predictable ending. Glad you guys have shared your experiences over the years so I was on the look out for the scam. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Kcj5541;2294350]First time posting after lurking for a while.

I flew back to US the next day so we had some nice Wechat conversations. After about 2 weeks, I finally got the message I was expecting. "I'm in trouble and need help". Long story short, she wanted $50,000 because her landlord was going to kick her out. I told her no, I don't have it. Well, that was the end of the chats. Great experience, but predictable ending. Glad you guys have shared your experiences over the years so I was on the look out for the scam. Thanks![/QUOTE]Correction: she asked for 50,000 RMB.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2294294]Sinofag-uo,

I am never a coward. If you truly think so, I would be happy to meet you in person so we can discuss this or any issue you want, as long as you're in the US. I'm always open-hearted. PM me your addy and fulfill your dreams.[/QUOTE]No I'm not in the US, as you haven't noticed this is the Shanghai board. If you're not in Shanghai, how about you stop spamming it?

Of course you are a coward for trying to get a girl fucked by someone else and hurt. What for? Did she laugh your whiny ego?

You talk about "revenge sex" which is usually a term used for people wanting to hurt their previous partner but its not like you have even fucked her yourself. Wait nor did you even date her. Wait nor did you even meet her in real life. And if that was not pathetic enough, looking at her photo I just wonder how you got so excited about this girl whom dares not to want you.

Anyway I'll stop there because I guess Beijing4987 was right, no point feeding a troll like you.

[QUOTE=Kcj5541;2294350]
I flew back to US the next day so we had some nice Wechat conversations. After about 2 weeks, I finally got the message I was expecting. "I'm in trouble and need help". Long story short, she wanted $50,000 because her landlord was going to kick her out. I told her no, I don't have it. Well, that was the end of the chats. Great experience, but predictable ending. Glad you guys have shared your experiences over the years so I was on the look out for the scam. Thanks![/QUOTE]Yeah she's a funny girl. Solo girls probably pay 4000-6000 rent / month so her excuse is rather weird compared to the 50000 RMB she's asking :)

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2294417]No I'm not in the US, as you haven't noticed this is the Shanghai board. If you're not in Shanghai, how about you stop spamming it?

Of course you are a coward for trying to get a girl fucked by someone else and hurt. What for? Did she laugh your whiny ego?

You talk about "revenge sex" which is usually a term used for people wanting to hurt their previous partner but its not like you have even fucked her yourself. Wait nor did you even date her. Wait nor did you even meet her in real life. And if that was not pathetic enough, looking at her photo I just wonder how you got so excited about this girl whom dares not to want you.

Anyway I'll stop there because I guess Beijing4987 was right, no point feeding a troll like you.[/QUOTE]My dearest Sinofag.

How long has your name reflected your character?

Niteluvr,

Just out of curiosity, did you ever get a taker for the similar request in 2007?

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1629-East-China-Hangzhou&p=574009&viewfull=1#post574009[/URL]

Got out on the town about 1030 and went to the Blind Pig for dinner. That is a GREAT place. Good food and drinks and right next to Manhattan. If you are lazy you could just grab a girl from here. Two working girls came in. Both doable but not top shelf.

My wingman Chris and I decided to check out a low brow bar that SamCan had mentioned on ISG called Blues Bar. It's across from Judy's. Went in and there were two girls. One pretty attractive. Maybe a 6-7. Nice body. The other had totally fucked teeth but a banging body with D cups spilling out her top. We knew you could get a low brow fuck onsite but thought we'd just enjoy some groping and expensive lady drinks as a warm up.

Had a nice time for what it was. They had a pool table and we played several rounds and had beers and a couple lady lady drinks each. My Dcup girl was very friendly and didn't mind me feeling up her tits from behind when she leaned against me between shots. 260 damage for each of us so expensive for what you get with second tier girls but it was a nice warmup.

We decided to hit Judy's first then Manhattan. Judys with the live band was super loud as usual. Fortunately they took a break shortly after we arrived. We got a table and we're quickly descended upon. Chris's girl was a hottie but I didn't care for mine. Chris bought drinks for the four of us which was nice but sent her the wrong message. I excused myself and started cruising the scene hoping she'd get the message. She did not. She kept looking at me hopefully and I would not lock eyes but she took quite some time to move off.

There were easily 40 girls there. All pretty. Can't really go wrong. I found one hottie and chatted her up a bit but it didn't really click. Meanwhile Chris had settled his girl so I needed to find one. Fortunately Chris's girl went to get a sister or two. First one was locked up with another guy but she brought by a second one. She was very pretty but quite a bit of makeup. Maybe 30 ish. Couldn't tell much about her body with what she was wearing so a bit of a crap shoot. Turned out to be a home run.

Nonetheless you could feel Chris was ready to go with his girl so I thought we could make this work. I asked her if she likes to kiss -- which to me is a pretty innocent question but with important body language answer. She said something that I thought was "I like to kiss but you have to work me first". Ok baby I can do that! I think in retrospect she said "I like to kiss but you have to take me first" ie I'm not going to kiss you for free which would make more sense! Agree the standard 1500 without haggling ready to roll.

Anyhow off we go. Turns out I made a really good choice. In the street waiting for Chinese Uber she is hugging me to keep me warm. Then in the Uber with my arm around her she unzips her coat and puts my hand inside her dress on her left tit. Nice! And they feel nice.

At the hotel, there a snafu with the power and the elevators are out of service, so our girl friends and us hang around with 10 hotel staff while it gets sorted. I guess this is a girl friendly hotel. LOL.

Up in the room as I am sitting on the couch taking off my shoes she comes over and pushes me back and gets on me for a deep kiss. I like her style! She starts out with that kind of really aggressive tongue moving hard and fast kissing, which always seems a bit fake to me. But later after the warmup she gets very sensual.

She takes a shower and I get the first look that she has a truly banging body. Well done see cups with the padding underneath and plenty of nice natural in top- quite good. She is only shaved right on her pussy itself, but otherwise natural triangle -- more common here in Asia. I too shower and am sitting on the edge of the bed.

Again she surprises me by throwing her leg over and straddling me with our uncovered junk perilously close -- in a very tempting way. It's very sexy as she plants another strong kiss on me and we tumble backwards in a mix of limbs. After some nice but still perhaps a little forced kissing she works her way slowly down to a very nice BBBJ. Lots of tongue and lips sliding up and down the shaft mixed in with full mouth-on action. Gentle and slow. Really good.

I am always happy when you don't have to discuss such specifics like BBBJ ahead of time -- it just happens naturally. And I would say we were generally very sexually in tune. Adjusting and changing positions naturally. Also the kissing has transitioned to more passionate heartfelt slow and sexy.

As she is blowing me she slowly is rotating to where her butt is getting up towards my face. So I take advantage of this to move her to 69. She is pleasantly wet and smells good. It is a little odd to have the Bush on my chin but not unpleasant. She is nicely responsive and the combo is good.

From 69 she climbs off and kinda slow moves on hands and knees to get the condom -- giving me a nice full pussy view from behind. No accident! She applies the condom like she's done it before. Heheh. And climbs on for Asian CG. I don't know many girls that ASG and of course it feels much better than CG since there is more in and out than grinding.

She seems quite into it without being fake and it feels great using my Okamoto 2. 0. After some good action we roll over to Mish without losing penetration in the transition. I always love that. Mish is really great. Some arms extended pumping and some chest to chest making out slow stuff.

After a while we move to doggie which is nice but not as good. And we switch back to some very good Mish. I think I might cum but never quite get there. So I pull out and we lose the cover for a BBBJ finish. She asks me if I want to cum in her mouth and I think "here comes the upsell" but when I say yes she says she's prefer I didn't and to let her know when.

She does a really nice job and I think may be pretty lost in her job because when I go to pull her head up she stays for a few more bobs she almost catches it in her mouth by accident. She barely pulls in time and I take the shot on my stomach.

A little shower. A short cuddle. Exchange of WeChat and off she goes. A really nice session. Would repeat.

Best.

Steve.

Ps Pro tip> set ur taxi or Uber to The Blind Pig if u dont want to say Judys or Manhattan. Plus really good food and drink for a pregame warmup.

At Steve 9696: Wow; just wanted to applaud the detailed and extensive report. Thanks very much!

We met after WC contact, she visited me in my Hotel.

Yes; mature and very nice body but not if you like girlish virginity.

Good sex, BBBJ and COB, no CIM. We had good conversation.

And I even took her to dinner afterwards.

Main reason for a positive review: great conversation, good girl and good company.

Steve. You did me proud. I know just the girls you had at the blues bar. My two were the same. The dee cups with the teeth might have been fun but so much better at judys.

What was your girl and Chris girls name. ? Maybe I met them a week ago.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2294741]Steve. You did me proud. I know just the girls you had at the blues bar. My two were the same. The dee cups with the teeth might have been fun but so much better at judys.

What was your girl and Chris girls name. ? Maybe I met them a week ago.[/QUOTE]DeeCups is Lisa and the other girl is XiaoJia. We spent a lot of time and money with them last night. Very expensive but a ton of fun. Got a bit caught up in the party. Report on that and another top notch Manhattan girl upcoming.

My wingman Chris and I get out on the town around 915 tonight and head to the Blind Pig for late dinner. You really must try their truffle Mac and cheese. Very very good. Tonight we think we'll just head straight to Manhattan. We just prefer the vibe and it's less loud. The plan is to try to hold out as long as possible and prolong the buffet experience, which is like no other.

We roll into Manhattan around 1030 and of course their are 40+ Viet hotties to choose from. To my taste, Manhattan has a better line up than Judy's. And WOW what a lot of great choices.

We are given half a table near the front (the other seat taken by a Chinese guy with his nose in his phone — what the fuck is wrong with you dude? And we survey the action. I am pretty tall and especially by AP standards so I can scan pretty much the whole room. There are easily 20 girls I would take. But my mission tonight is to find one tall enough to DFK while in Mish.

I get just a glimpse of one who is one table over but something about her face lights me up. So I keep glancing over but she is always obscured by her petite friend. Chris meanwhile has his eye on the friend. I don't know how he knew just from a tiny bit of profile but he says "She's the one".

He catches my girls eye and the two girls come over — they are friends. Somehow they know who goes with whom and we very quickly pair up. I love the look of my girl but I must say Chris's girl is a full on 10 in the face. And so petite — she is maybe 5"1 in 5" heels! What a cutie. And I love my girl so it looks like a plan. And she's tall enough that the Mish-kissing mission is likely to be successful.

My girl asks me what I like to do in the room and since she asked I say I like kissing and having my balls licked. She says "I can do that. I will do whatever you want!" OK works for me! Off we go.

Up in the room it is interesting. I've read other reports about girls who need warming up, but never quite experienced it. Liang is this kind of girl. At the room we are face to face and I go to kiss her and I get kind of the corner of her mouth. Huh?

We shower separately and when I get out she is under the covers. I kind of pull her out and on top of me. Again we are face to face and its a little peck. I think WTF? Oh no.

But wait. There's more.

She starts working her way down to a very nice and satisfying BBBJ. She tries to go a little short on it but I ask her to keep going and she complies. But eventually she wants to get me inside her to which I do not object.

She climbs on cowgirl and is really tight. I only go about halfway in, but with a little in and out she relaxes and I go balls deep. Nice! We do CG for a while (I could CG forever- its pleasant but I am not going to cum) and she now really WANTS me.

She pulls me towards her to a seated position while still fully inside her and then fully over to mish. Haven't done that little trick since college and it feels good to know I still can. And Mish is GREAT. She is very worked up by now and starts kissing me passionately. And I mean real fuck-me-baby kisses. I mean wow. I had never transformed a girl like this before and it felt awesome — both the fucking and kissing, but also just knowing I had made her sexually ravenous. It was intoxicating.

Well the Mish-kissing-and-pounding is just fabulous. She is eating me alive and I am wearing a $5 Okamoto 01 (tho I find it similar to 02 in feeling) and after enjoying it immensely I let er rip. Wow. Feels great. Well she is not done. She encourages me to continue to fuck her hard for another 5 minutes — clearly for her own pleasure at this point. And when she is done she breaks into a great smile that seems genuinely happy. Sigh. I done good!

We exchange WeChat and some brief hugs and then a final passionate DFK when she heads out. Chris has finished same time so he drops over and compares notes. His girl was great too. And we plot to go out again — the night is young and we can sleep in. Continued in part two.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2294143]You can try some of the Spring Massage places, renamed Yu Spa for some of them.

Three locations mentionned previously here offer HJ in the 70 min massage for 396 price (used to be 268 then 336 for same service). But many girls will propose more for tips from simple roaming of their naked body to BJ or FS. In the old days they used to harass you for recharging vip cards, nowdays its for higher service in exchange for tips.

There are also saunas but you'll have to report and contribute more / get PM access to get senior members to give you this kind of contacts.
Else you can do your homework reading chinese sites such as http://www.aishxxx.org/[/QUOTE]Thanks for these advice! I investigated the site you have in Chinese. Combinaison of my languages skills and translator enabled me to connect on WeChat with some of the «maison». For between 1000 and 1500, choice of girls for 80 minutes. Just question about safety! Is anybody tried this kind of spa recently for sex? Is there any risk or it's OK like MP?

Thanks in advance. And if anybody have a contact with a girl 20' to 40' for regular plan and girl with an apartment to host! Please tell me I PM!

Looking forward to the blues bar installment.

We last saw the dynamic duo finishing their Viet hotties and embarking on round 2. Chris doesn't think he can manage a second shot (he underestimates the power of a Viet hottie!) But he agrees to be my wingman.

We head to the Blind Pig to kick it off but unfortunately it has just closed as we arrive about 12:10. We decide to head up the street. We are thinking maybe go to Judy's rather than Manhattan since our first round girls will likely be back at Manhattan.

As we are walking we think hey maybe just take it easy and get enough recovery time so let's stop in Blues Bar first. If you recall, these are second tier Chinese girls but kinda fun to hang with. So why not?

Of course Lisa DeeCups and XiaoJia are thrilled to see us as we are again the only customers of the night. I again pair up with Lisa and Chris gets with XiaoJia.

Long story short, we end up staying for five hours and run up a USD $1200 tab! While that sounds completely insane, both Chris and I have large budgets for our girl-time and really it was great fun. Had we done the fun / dollar calculation it can't be justified. But we had a whale of a great time and got drunk as shit with two fun girls. No regrets really.

A couple key moments and highlights and lowlights from the night. At some point I talk to Lisa about going to the on-site room. She starts out at RMB 2000 which is patently ridiculous. Not really even a 1000 girl but I like her and we agree on that figure. The first in room experience was laughable. She literally has brought 3 tequila shots to clean my junk. Nothing to set the mood like Ice cold tequila on your shaft applied with some napkins! And then a toothy CBJ. Yikes. So this doesnt really work out, but nice guy that I am I don’t let on with the crew when we return and as u might imagine she is eternally grateful.

About midway thru our visit they got out The Karaoke and dice games. Great fun — they should have played this card much sooner. And Chris rocks the Karaoke. Lisa and I got into some good DFK throughout the night and lap dance petting on the couch — quite fun. So much so that I decide to try her again and I get a much more satisfactory BBBJ now that she’s warmed up to me. I can’t quite finish but has a rather good go for about 20 mins. Generally had a great GFE in the sense of hanging with your naughty girlfriend other than the sex part LOL.

Wrapped it up at 5:30 AM(!) Add one more "life experience" to the books, particularly the part about having your junk cleaned with cold tequila!

Summary Blues Bar is best for a quick warmup drink unless you have money to burn. Because if you stay 5 hours you will burn it!

P.S. If you want to follow the continuing Adventures of Steve, keep an eye on the Taipei forum.

Hey Steve. Glad you had fun. I hope that was 600 each! Which would almost be justifiable but not really. Could you get FS from Lisa? It seemed to be on the menu for that price. But o never got to that part. Were you in that cold basement room or was there something upstairs?

I would have brought her back to my room for an 800 rmb pop if she agreed but I was sober. As far as your fun? I can completely see how those girls were so friendly and that it could happen. Thats why I left after one. . LOL.

Samcan

[QUOTE=SamCan;2295434]Hey Steve. Glad you had fun. I hope that was 600 each! Which would almost be justifiable but not really. Could you get FS from Lisa? It seemed to be on the menu for that price. But o never got to that part. Were you in that cold basement room or was there something upstairs?

I would have brought her back to my room for an 800 rmb pop if she agreed but I was sober. As far as your fun? I can completely see how those girls were so friendly and that it could happen. Thats why I left after one. . LOL.

Samcan[/QUOTE]Yeah it was $600 each. We got stiffed in Beijing by the summit and Maggie's being closed and then had a super cost effective $175 a person in Taipei so we averaged about $250 a night each which was under budget on balance. Course we are about to blast $600/ day (2 sessions each day) each in Tokyo so that will more than make up for it! Make sure to bop over to the Tokyo thread soon if I want to see what happens next.

Oh and FS was surely on the Lisa DeeCups menu but never got there. I prefer BBBJ once we got to that and I was literally too tired and too drunk to fuck at 4 AM! And yes in the cold basement room. Had on a heater so it really wasn’t that bad compared to ice cold Tequila on your balls!

[QUOTE=Comrade2255;2294475]Niteluvr,

Just out of curiosity, did you ever get a taker for the similar request in 2007?

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1629-East-China-Hangzhou&p=574009&viewfull=1#post574009[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes. Couple of ex-pats hammered her, then later she married an older British dude. They had 2 kids, then he beat her ass because she banged a black dude in the UK. Traditional Chinese values? Yeah, right.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2295762]Yes. Couple of ex-pats hammered her, then later she married an older British dude. They had 2 kids, then he beat her ass because she banged a black dude in the UK. Traditional Chinese values? Yeah, right.[/QUOTE]After your last two posts for someone to have sex with girls you have talked to online I have to ask.

Do you have sex with anyone yourself?

[QUOTE=SamCan;2295812]After your last two posts for someone to have sex with girls you have talked to online I have to ask.

Do you have sex with anyone yourself?[/QUOTE]Wow he's pretty sad for sure.

It seems this Niteluvr is one of these stalkers getting crazy about girls he has not even fucked or met... only to jerk off at the idea other men fucking the said girls.
Him calling others "fags" got me LOL for sure...

I implore all to use two clicks to put trolls on the ignore list. The pissing contests are a distraction from our goal. By the way, "sino"means China and "faguo" means French. From all his posts and advice on ISG I surmise that member is heterosexual.

Please ignore trolls and by all means do not quote them. They will be swept away like the air pollution.

Your inbox is full.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2295875]Wow he's pretty sad for sure.

It seems this Niteluvr is one of these stalkers getting crazy about girls he has not even fucked or met... only to jerk off at the idea other men fucking the said girls.
Him calling others "fags" got me LOL for sure...[/QUOTE]Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

[QUOTE=SamCan;2295812]After your last two posts for someone to have sex with girls you have talked to online I have to ask.

Do you have sex with anyone yourself?[/QUOTE]Do I have sex with anyone myself? Now, let's see. Nah, only about 6 K Asian women since 1980. Care for a brochure on how to get it done? Guess English isn't your native language because you can't write it worth a shit.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2296732]Do I have sex with anyone myself? Now, let's see. Nah, only about 6 K Asian women since 1980. Care for a brochure on how to get it done? Guess English isn't your native language because you can't write it worth a shit.[/QUOTE]Well, I will agree that my posting was not the best english and I could have been better with my grammar. You, however. Need to work on your math.

From 2018 back to 1980 would be 38 years. (I would include 2019 but it seems you were not in Asia as you were trying to find someone there to do your screwing for you).

38 years at 365 days is 13,870 days. 6000 women would be one every 2. 3 days. Although physically possible, I don't think you will find anyone on the board believing this .......Just like everything else you have posted.

Now out of respect of other members who don't enjoy this banter, I will end my side of this pissing contest and pass on any further comments on this matter.

Members, please do no engage with trolls bragging about their exploits. We are here to share info on finding women for sex, not pissing into the wind. This shit escalates and the moderator steps in to admonish.

Two spas are open again in Jingan. PM me for details.

[QUOTE=Peter109;2282292]I read here since some time and now also want to share some experience.

Been yesterday to Judys and Manhattan.

Both where full of Chinese guys which have the typical Chinese attitude.

Unfortunately they had all the stunners on their table.

Waited for a while and switched location to see if some of them got free, but no chance.

Finally took a Viet girl and we went to her (place.

I was not sure if it would turn out a scam and maybe some guys are waiting in her apartment to get all of my money, but the second brain was stronger and made the decisions.

It is a nice experience to see how they actually live..[/QUOTE]Got now a membership, so feel free to PM me.

I'm in Shanghai now and just happened upon this site. I'm staying in city center and looking for. MP close by Thanks.

[QUOTE=Larry66;2298786]I'm in Shanghai now and just happened upon this site. I'm staying in city center and looking for. MP close by Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I am also interested to know good MP close Jingan with clean facilities and shower inside room.

[QUOTE=Larry66;2298786]I'm in Shanghai now and just happened upon this site. I'm staying in city center and looking for. MP close by Thanks.[/QUOTE]Great, have a nice reading of the past contributions you'll find on this board, we're looking forward on reading your field reports.

She changed her WeChat several times in recent months, including recently. I was going to email Nightlife (they are now partners to some extent) to see if he knew what was going on, and surprisingly on his site he writes that Rain suddenly is nonresponsive to him and is wondering if anyone knows what's going on. Anybody on here have any recent intel on Rain? I have Rain's contact but I am afraid to contact her directly in case she's with LE.

I just found out.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2299580]She changed her WeChat several times in recent months, including recently. I was going to email Nightlife (they are now partners to some extent) to see if he knew what was going on, and surprisingly on his site he writes that Rain suddenly is nonresponsive to him and is wondering if anyone knows what's going on. Anybody on here have any recent intel on Rain? I have Rain's contact but I am afraid to contact her directly in case she's with LE.[/QUOTE].

At least 3 of her girls also got arrested. The others are afraid to stay at their homes, use WeChat, withdraw money, use credit cards, and use their ID.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2299664]I just found out.

.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2299580]She changed her WeChat several times in recent months, including recently. I was going to email Nightlife (they are now partners to some extent) to see if he knew what was going on, and surprisingly on his site he writes that Rain suddenly is nonresponsive to him and is wondering if anyone knows what's going on. Anybody on here have any recent intel on Rain? I have Rain's contact but I am afraid to contact her directly in case she's with LE.[/QUOTE]

Rain gets arrested and Manhattans get raided (according to NLO) within a day of each other (maybe on the same day). Also, a freelance pimp that I know suddenly deleted all WG pics from her WeChat account yesterday. And yet, new establishments are opening up? What gives?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2299714]Rain gets arrested and Manhattans get raided (according to NLO) within a day of each other (maybe on the same day). Also, a freelance pimp that I know suddenly deleted all WG pics from her WeChat account yesterday. And yet, new establishments are opening up? What gives?[/QUOTE]Let's not be too alarmist. Any "raid" on Manhattan is about immigration only technically because nothing actually happens on site. Right? Where did you hear about same? But in any case such immigration events only ever seem to last a short time and all is well again. Do you have information to the contrary?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2299804]Let's not be too alarmist. Any "raid" on Manhattan is about immigration only technically because nothing actually happens on site. Right? Where did you hear about same? But in any case such immigration events only ever seem to last a short time and all is well again. Do you have information to the contrary?[/QUOTE]I don't have reliable intel on Manhattans. As I wrote in my post, my Manhattans info came from NLO's site. I only have reliable intel on Rain. She was arrested, that's for sure, along with at least 3 of her girls. I was only wondering if it was a coincidence that these busts were occurring on the same days, or if a large scale sweep was occurring.

Incidentally, Rain's girls not yet arrested are scared. I think recent clients should be scared too. Let’s not forget that over a dozen Johns (including a senior ISG member) got taken from their hotels and arrested after Steven of SNG got arrested. Am I being an alarmist? Probably. But I err on the side of being paranoid. That's just me.

Now that Rain is done, and given that NLO's stable is limited, any other agency suggestions? I prefer incall and an English language site. I already identified some sites (MR and *** are obvious options), but was wondering if anyone had a good recommendation. Can PM me. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2299714]Rain gets arrested and Manhattans get raided (according to NLO) within a day of each other (maybe on the same day). Also, a freelance pimp that I know suddenly deleted all WG pics from her WeChat account yesterday. And yet, new establishments are opening up? What gives?[/QUOTE]Well, post-SNG, it's too dangerous to run that kind of operation from within China. Might work from abroad.

As for clients, many were probably transient tourists or business travelers, long departed. No risk there. As for those of us living in Shanghai, I believe most know not to monger with a wechat account linked to our real identity, and never to reveal our precise address on wechat. I meet the girls in the lobby and don't believe they even remember my apartment number. Not perfect, but it is risk minimization.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2299804]Let's not be too alarmist. Any "raid" on Manhattan is about immigration only technically because nothing actually happens on site. Right? Where did you hear about same? But in any case such immigration events only ever seem to last a short time and all is well again. Do you have information to the contrary?[/QUOTE]While I haven't seen recent reports of that kind, there have been past reports of people getting busted in their hotel room following an encounter in a bar.

Ultimatly nothing is 100% safe, we all take risks at some point.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2300740]While I haven't seen recent reports of that kind, there have been past reports of people getting busted in their hotel room following an encounter in a bar.

Ultimatly nothing is 100% safe, we all take risks at some point.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2300659]Well, post-SNG, it's too dangerous to run that kind of operation from within China. Might work from abroad.

As for clients, many were probably transient tourists or business travelers, long departed. No risk there. As for those of us living in Shanghai, I believe most know not to monger with a wechat account linked to our real identity, and never to reveal our precise address on wechat. I meet the girls in the lobby and don't believe they even remember my apartment number. Not perfect, but it is risk minimization.[/QUOTE]In China, you only think you are safe from any sort of risk. The only reason nothing has happened yet is because the LE is busy frying bigger fish. Big brother is ALWAYS watching.

I have heard that Manhattans and judy's is all men last night with no girls to be seen.

The bartender at Manhattans said Judy's was raided the night before. It's still going on. Sorry that's all the details I have.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2301375]I have heard that Manhattans and judy's is all men last night with no girls to be seen.

The bartender at Manhattans said Judy's was raided the night before. It's still going on. Sorry that's all the details I have.[/QUOTE]Monday both open and both operating albeit quanity of girls way down.

I didn't head there last night as caught up with a Mexican / Arabic superstar. I may go visit tonight.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2301767]Monday both open and both operating albeit quanity of girls way down.[/QUOTE]I will be very interested in hearing the status of Manhattans and Judys. Traveled to Shanghai 2 other times for work and this trip will be the first one alone. I am looking forward to having fun a week from now and after reading through a couple of dozen pages of posts, M & J were to be the destination (even grabbed a hotel very close).

For plan be, I guess I best be looking at sites to set something up if needed.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2299714]Rain gets arrested and Manhattans get raided (according to NLO) within a day of each other (maybe on the same day). Also, a freelance pimp that I know suddenly deleted all WG pics from her WeChat account yesterday. And yet, new establishments are opening up? What gives?[/QUOTE]It's affecting Shanghai but also many other places in China including Xi'an, Nanjing and other cities in South China such as DianShui.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2302846]It's affecting Shanghai but also many other places in China including Xi'an, Nanjing and other cities in South China such as DianShui.[/QUOTE]Anyone who think's that "deleting" content on wechat or any place else get rid of the "evidence" are dreaming. It all still remains on a server someplace and is never really deleted so good luck with that approach Ms. WG.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2302846]It's affecting Shanghai but also many other places in China including Xi'an, Nanjing and other cities in South China such as DianShui.[/QUOTE]I am heading to China in May, and I hope everything gets "normal" by then.

[QUOTE=Larry66;2298786]I'm in Shanghai now and just happened upon this site. I'm staying in city center and looking for. MP close by Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Strephane58;2299016]Hi,
I am also interested to know good MP close Jingan with clean facilities and shower inside room.[/QUOTE]Several weeks have passed and still no reports from both of you.

Not that I'm surprised but.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiMagic;2302853]Anyone who think's that "deleting" content on wechat or any place else get rid of the "evidence" are dreaming. It all still remains on a server someplace and is never really deleted so good luck with that approach Ms. WG.[/QUOTE]Not sure what your point is.

Are the Jingan spas getting back to normal? Seems so. My regulars are too busy to ply me with "when you coming to see me?

Anybody noticed that NLO had been Offline for the last few days? I wonder what happened, or are they simply on Spring Break?

FYI. Nightlife Online now is offline per the current update on the web page.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2301375]I have heard that Manhattans and judy's is all men last night with no girls to be seen.

The bartender at Manhattans said Judy's was raided the night before. It's still going on. Sorry that's all the details I have.[/QUOTE]Just got back from both places this past weekend and I can say everything is back to normal. Manhattan was definitely the place with more gals. Prices seem to start at 2500 but seems they would drop to 2000 after the first "no". Back at Judy's prices seem the same at first but they seemed more negotiable. Can't complain with either places in fact I usually start at one then bounce to the other if I don't like the vibe I go back to the original places again. Here's a bit of advice the taxi's at both locations are all trying to scam riders by either not using the meter or the meter is rigged to run fast. I think if you walk around the corner of the street and catch a taxi as it's coming by they are more legit. One thing I notice was the police would walk the beat up and down the street maybe to just keep an eye on things.

[QUOTE=Leviton6;2304616]Just got back from both places this past weekend and I can say everything is back to normal. Manhattan was definitely the place with more gals. Prices seem to start at 2500 but seems they would drop to 2000 after the first "no". Back at Judy's prices seem the same at first but they seemed more negotiable. Can't complain with either places in fact I usually start at one then bounce to the other if I don't like the vibe I go back to the original places again. Here's a bit of advice the taxi's at both locations are all trying to scam riders by either not using the meter or the meter is rigged to run fast. I think if you walk around the corner of the street and catch a taxi as it's coming by they are more legit. One thing I notice was the police would walk the beat up and down the street maybe to just keep an eye on things.[/QUOTE]Was wondering what are the costs at judy's and MP in the ji'An area. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Avonite;2305049]Was wondering what are the costs at judy's and MP in the ji'An area. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I was at Judy's 2 months ago in February. For one shot I paid 1000-1200 for just about any girl I was interested in. The only ones that wanted more were some Columbians (white girls) at 2000. I was horny and paid 1200 to the first girl the first night without negotiating. I was then the 1200 guy and all girls wanted 1200. I did pick up a cute spinner for 1200/ two shots. She was angry because I had paid her friend 1400. That however included taxi to pudong which was 100 each way. No girl gave me a hard time at 1200 at judy's.

I have a 1000/2 shot rule that I think still works at judy's for more than half the girls. I didn't know when I was going to make it back to shanghai. I was more interested in variety so I was willing to pay 1000-1200 for one early in the night and go back to pick up and do it again with another later.

At Manhattan's, the hottest girl in the place approached me and said her price was 2000. (thin viet about 5'10, golden tan probably from a tanning bed, with long blonde hair to her waist, Hair I assumed dyed but extremely well done and looked appropriate.). I don't know if I could have got her for 1500 but I was popped out after a long week and had nothing left to pop.

[QUOTE=Avonite;2305049]Was wondering what are the costs at judy's and MP in the ji'An area. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]At both Judy's and Manhattan the girls I chose quoted 1500 and same for my wing man Chris. It appeared to be the going rate with no negotiation. As SamCan says I have no doubt you could counter and depending on the girl she would take it. We were ready to roll so we did not counter and were both happy with our four sessions between us all at 1500.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2305200]At both Judy's and Manhattan the girls I chose quoted 1500 and same for my wing man Chris. It appeared to be the going rate with no negotiation. As SamCan says I have no doubt you could counter and depending on the girl she would take it. We were ready to roll so we did not counter and were both happy with our four sessions between us all at 1500.[/QUOTE]1500 is the price for 1 shot or overnight?

I was at both M and J last night (Friday night). At 11 pm M was packed and no seats were available. I did a lap around and saw some ok looking girls. Plenty of thin girls but quite a few with serious plastic surgery. A few girls came up to introduce themselves but weren't pushy and walked away quickly when I declined their company. They also had a live band for those interested in that. Had 1 tsingtao beer for 50 rmb and left for J.

J was a much bigger bar, draft tiger beer was 45 rmb. Quality of women seemed lower. Quite a few more older ladies.

What time do most of the ladies start arriving? If I plan to go M at 8 pm is that too early? Will the place be empty?

Yes, 8:00 pm is too early. The girls start arriving between 9:15 and 9:30.

Red Rider.

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2305403]1500 is the price for 1 shot or overnight?

[/QUOTE]For me 1500 or so has been overnight, 1000 is one shot/actually sometimes 2. I never quibble about 100 rmb or so but as I have said, the rate you pay the first time becomes your rate. They all talk.

[QUOTE=RedRider;2305405]Yes, 8:00 pm is too early. The girls start arriving between 9:15 and 9:30.

Red Rider.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SamCan;2305421]For me 1500 or so has been overnight, 1000 is one shot/actually sometimes 2. I never quibble about 100 rmb or so but as I have said, the rate you pay the first time becomes your rate. They all talk.[/QUOTE]Thanks fellas.

I made the trip to M again last night. Had dinner first at the blind pig which was fantastic, one of the few places that accept foreign credit cards, and headed to the bar at 9. 30 pm.

Red Rider was completely right, at 9. 30 is the place was still relatively empty but the girls was constantly flowing in. I grabbed a seat by the door and watched the parade. Eventually I saw a very pretty young girl walk in, and I thought there was a chance she was Chinese. She got a drink at the bar then sat down and dived into her phone. Not one to be discouraged I walked up and started chatting to her. Mildly surprised she was Vietnamese, as she didn't have the typical look. She's called Mia and said she was from Hanoi (and I suspect there's some serious Han Chinese blood in her) and was 21 or so. After a little while (she wasn't too chatty) I ask her to leave but she said the girls can't leave before 10.30 pm which was a surprise. That explains why the guys don't show up super early either. We play a bit of drinking games (high / low card game on my phone) but she's not a big drinker so I call a taxi shortly after 10.30 pm. My hotel's about 20+ minutes away but only costs about 30 rmb.

We get to the room and she strips off very quickly. Holy shit she has a nice body. Ass is a little flat but otherwise excellent. Fair skin, big tits (high quality silicone seems like), pink nipples, no tattoos. We get on the bed and she asks for cash upfront. Shit. Initially we arrange for overnight but didn't discuss price (a mistake in hindsight). Gave her half upfront (800) then she flipped out saying short time was 1500 while overnight was 3000. Double shit. I wasn't really interested in overnight at the 3 k price range so had no choice but to agree to 1500 for 1 shot. She was way too pretty to leave my hotel room unfucked haha so I didn't have any leverage. Gave a reasonable but short BBBJ and jumped on after putting on the condom. CG, doggy, missionary, shoot. Had to hold her legs in place as she tried that thing where they try to limit the penetration.

After I finished she jumped in the shower and tried to get me to give 100 for taxi. I thought about giving her nothing, but frankly she's just pretty enough that I might be interested in wechatting her over for another session if I'm ever too lazy to get back to M&Js. So caved and gave her 50.

Now I'm sure all the M girls won't take anything less than 1500ST, and I'm sure most of the hotter girls in J will try for the same. Perhaps next weekend I'll head there a little later (just after midnight maybe) and see if I can get overnight for 2 k. But to be honest even though 1500 is expensive compared to HK, some of these Viets may just be worth it. I'm going to go back tonight and try judys first, see if I can ST for 1000-1200.

Just came back from J's. Tried chatting up a 9/10 and a 7/10. Both pitched 1500ST and weren't willing to come down. Definitely some price fixing bullshit happening.

Just flew in today. Slept early and woke up around 2:00 am. Figure why not make a visit. Exited the taxi and seen two security guards outside. Was concerned but went in anyways. At 3:00 am, M was empty. Completely empty. I don't remember it being empty from previous visits. Concerns?

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2305962]Just came back from J's. Tried chatting up a 9/10 and a 7/10. Both pitched 1500ST and weren't willing to come down. Definitely some price fixing bullshit happening.[/QUOTE]Yes I think 1500 is going rate and the prettiest girls are going to get it. SamCan is unique in his ability to get better deals though if I recall his last report he too was paying near market. I personally don't think we can complain too much. When there were a bunch of sauna options J and M were one of many alternatives. Now with almost all that underground or seedy or bait and switch, the value of Judy's and Manhattan has gone up exponentially. I am really happy with the girls I get for 1500 FWIW.

I do a lot of worldwide travel so I can tell you it is still a good value. In order of pricing for girls of similar quality and including BBBJ it goes something like this (lowest to highest) Brazil, Thailand, Germany, London & Judy's / Manhattan tie, Spain, Japan &Russia tie, Switzerland, United States. Others may have slightly different opinions but this is all from real world experiences. I put $200-250/ hour around the mid-point and that is where J and M come in these days.

I agree. Last time I got one spinner for 1000 and paid 1200 for the rest. I don't usually take any from Ms. I agree their pricing is higher and frankly I don't see a big difference. Are some of the M girls prettier? Yea, sure but not that much on average. Are there a couple standouts? Yea definitely,, there was one hot one at M's that wanted 2000 ST , i was too shot to offer less or pay it . it had been a long week of banging by then

I also had a massage and got a chinese massage girl to come to my hotel. For 1000. She hit me up for taxi money so 1100.

I had no trouble with 1200 at Ms. Couple girls were giving me trouble at 1000 but 1200 was out the door.

i also paid 2 girls 1400-1500 to come see me in pudong but that included 100 each way taxi money as it's far away

You guys may be right at M's but I usually go their first and grab something at J's as my willpower is gone by that point.

of course, i have never negotiated with the girl naked in bed.... i don't think i would have the best leverage there. lol

Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2305962]Just came back from J's. Tried chatting up a 9/10 and a 7/10. Both pitched 1500ST and weren't willing to come down. Definitely some price fixing bullshit happening.[/QUOTE]You had already paid 1500 and the girls talk. After you pay 1500 for one. If they take less they are basically agreeing they are not as pretty or good as the last girl you paid 1500. Theres a pride thing going on.

i also enjoy the chase and time in the bar so i am not in a rush...

I did 2 girls my first night in shanghai. One after the other. The second girl knew what I paid and told me the other girl told her. When we were in the room she kept doing awesome kinky things. Stopping to say. I am better. Did the other girl do this? And she kept getting more kinky.

FWIW , i have taken girls out at 10pm done the deed and walked back with them to M or J for round 2. i buy them their first drink on our return and wish them luck

It has occurred to me that a monger can determine the health of a provider during foreplay by examining her vaginal discharge. This could assist said monger in determining whether to indulge in non covered activity such as BBFS, BBBJ or DATY. The below mentioned information should be of assistance:

Clear discharge = Healthy.

Grey discharge = Vaginal vaginosis.

Pink discharge = cervical bleeding.

Yellow / Green discharge = bacterial infection or sexually transmitted infection. There also may be an odor associated with it.

Brown discharge = This could be a sign of uterine or cervical cancer. Additionally, during menopause, a woman should not have any type of vaginal bleeding, which is also a sign of uterine cancer.

Red discharge = Menstruation, cervical infection, cervical polyp, endometrial or cervical cancer.

Thick, White cottage cheese-type discharge = yeast infection. Roughly 90 percent of women will have a yeast infection at some point in their life.

[QUOTE=Avonite;2306058]Just flew in today. Slept early and woke up around 2:00 am. Figure why not make a visit. Exited the taxi and seen two security guards outside. Was concerned but went in anyways. At 3:00 am, M was empty. Completely empty. I don't remember it being empty from previous visits. Concerns?[/QUOTE]Went to visit tonight. Everything is back to normal. Thanks everyone.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2306344]It has occurred to me that a monger can determine the health of a provider during foreplay by examining her vaginal discharge. [/QUOTE]It has occurred to me that a poster is spamming a forum when he posts the same message 8 times in 8 different subboards.

Thanks for letting us know we shouldn't BB a girl who has green or yellow discharges and smells very bad. I mean whom could have thought of it as a sign of problem!

The thing is I wouldn't BB a girl whom has 5 partners a days, whom is likely to catch unwanted things from them since they have BB with other partners aswell.

Especially since these WG due to their intensive sex are more likely to have vaginal cuts and blood issues highering the risk of contamination.

Lets get back to the Shanghai forum issues.

An opportunity to tell posters here to stay away from Minhang for now as it has been the local and°1 target for the past week due to too many shops reopening there.

Stay safe!

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2306447]Lets get back to the Shanghai forum issues.

An opportunity to tell posters here to stay away from Minhang for now as it has been the local and1 target for the past week due to too many shops reopening there.

Stay safe![/QUOTE]Hi there,

Very long time lurker posting for the first time here.

I'm not really a J, M or sauna type of guy, but I do like the occasional MP visit.

On the subject of Minhang, any of you familiar with the shops on HongSong Lu? Been following their developments closely over the last couple of years. There used to be a ton of them, all with scantily dressed ladies at the front. All that of course has gone, but there are still a few operating down there in a more discrete manner. A couple of weeks ago, two of them (including one I have visited in the past and had FS) have suddenly turned into what look like 'lady drink' bars, but I suspect there is still stuff on the menu if your Chinese is good. I don't know the exact numbers of these places, but seasoned mongers such as you lot will have no problem sniffing them out Anyone else know much about these places?

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2306447]........ he posts the same message 8 times in 8 different subboards............[/QUOTE]It was actually 9, you missed one.

After a friends dinner in some underground mall on Madang Rd I noticed a spring massage and I walked in. It was about 11 pm and the place was pretty quiet.

Standard 268 price for massage with HE negotiations. The classic Spring deal.

I was shown a standard tiny room with a shower and then girl #93 shows up. A decent looking, hot 21-yo from Hunan that had just joined that MP, moving from Baoshan into downtown. Oh boy she was great! At first she asked 1000 for FS for one hour, but I ended up with 500 for BBBJ & CIM. Fantastic skills. I won't say more. Just go try her out. Absolutely worth it. It's a spring massage so you know what to expect in terms of room decor and service in general, however this one girl is good.

Been considering having a little fun in China for a while as I'm over here a lot through work and discovered aishxxx through this forum. Took some time to select a few options. Made contact through wechat, very responsive girl with an active profile (not just stock photos). Wanted her to come to my hotel but for safety, they like to keep it in house. Made my way over via taxi, she buzzed me in after few nerves outside. Always feel like this due to the what if factor. Went in, she did look like her photo and was a very cute girl. Brunette, 155 cm spinner type. Only let down was a heavy smoker and its a little bit of a turn off for me.

Showered, Passionate BBBJ with some pretty strong skills, moved onto CFS, she was struggling a little bit I think due to her being tiny but we had a good time. Showered paid 500 yuan. And left.

Would recommend as it was non-rushed and reasonable good service.

The first review from me so will try to give more in-depth analysis next time.

[QUOTE=SpeedBird009;2306888]Been considering having a little fun in China for a while as I'm over here a lot through work and discovered aishxxx through this forum. Took some time to select a few options. Made contact through wechat, very responsive girl with an active profile (not just stock photos). Wanted her to come to my hotel but for safety, they like to keep it in house.[/QUOTE]Sounds like an apartment girl- is that right? Are you of Asian descent? I've never tried this, as I feel as a westerner, I'd stick out like a sore thumb at those apartment set ups. Neighbors could easily complain to police and the string of men visiting the girl.

[QUOTE=XikangLu;2306798]After a friends dinner in some underground mall on Madang Rd I noticed a spring massage and I walked in. It was about 11 pm and the place was pretty quiet.

Standard 268 price for massage with HE negotiations. The classic Spring deal.

I was shown a standard tiny room with a shower and then girl #93 shows up. A decent looking, hot 21-yo from Hunan that had just joined that MP, moving from Baoshan into downtown. Oh boy she was great! At first she asked 1000 for FS for one hour, but I ended up with 500 for BBBJ & CIM. Fantastic skills. I won't say more. Just go try her out. Absolutely worth it. It's a spring massage so you know what to expect in terms of room decor and service in general, however this one girl is good.[/QUOTE]Weird, this sounds more like the old price from a year ago. Rencently most Spring Massage are asking for 336 or 396 for Massage + HJ included.

Greetings gents,

I'm doing my homework for my first trip to Shanghai and a bit confused in general and need a hotel recommendation that's in the neighborhood of either day spas or night venues w FLs. I goggle earthed Judys and got 3 Judys not far from each other. I assume Judy's Lounge is what the guys here are talking about. I also used a conversion site to see what the pussy cost in dollars and from what the site says, the Chinese Yuan is 6. 7 to the dollar which means 1500 yuan = $223 for ST! If that's the going rate I will pass on that killer see pussy. I probably have that equation wrong so any help is appreciated. Also, I will need ST hotels to operate because my wife will be in the room sleeping. Thanks for any insights.

My normal haunts are the PI, Thailand, Colombia, El Salvador and Tijuana. I can return intel on those locales if anyone needs help.

Thanks much.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2307417]Sounds like an apartment girl- is that right? Are you of Asian descent? I've never tried this, as I feel as a westerner, I'd stick out like a sore thumb at those apartment set ups. Neighbors could easily complain to police and the string of men visiting the girl.[/QUOTE]I've been frequenting these qq / wechat girls for a number of years and it's been great fun from a perspective of variety and value! I understand your concern of being a westerner and standing out like a sore thumb but don't worry. I'm 2 m tall, white, bald and old! I also can't string 3 intelligible words together in putonghua! These girls offer fun, clean experiences with a bit of adventure added in finding them on your first visit. If she warrants it, the second visit is a breeze and you'll have more fun as you both will be more relaxed and appreciative. I've rarely been disappointed. One of my first questions during the initial chat is what type of room do they live in. Commonly, there are the 4 to 6 story walk ups, some of which have outside staircases and hallways where you are really on parade (these walk ups are often described as community in the interpretation), cheap local hotels and high rises. I've frequented all three in the past and now restrict myself to the high rise girls (with one regular exception). High rises feel completely safe because there are so many people coming and going. Who's to say where you're going etc. If the lift is crowded merely go up to the next floor and walk back down! She'll either have the door ajar or be there right away to open it. Don't knock loudly to draw attention. Common sense is irreplaceable! As I've been told many times by a number of girls, your safety is my safety. Do a little initial screening, be honest with them, have a sense of humour and have fun. You'll meet some good ones.

[QUOTE=Socker;2308054]Greetings gents,

I'm doing my homework for my first trip to Shanghai and a bit confused in general and need a hotel recommendation that's in the neighborhood of either day spas or night venues w FLs. I goggle earthed Judys and got 3 Judys not far from each other. I assume Judy's Lounge is what the guys here are talking about. I also used a conversion site to see what the pussy cost in dollars and from what the site says, the Chinese Yuan is 6. 7 to the dollar which means 1500 yuan = $223 for ST! If that's the going rate I will pass on that killer see pussy. I probably have that equation wrong so any help is appreciated. Also, I will need ST hotels to operate because my wife will be in the room sleeping. Thanks for any insights.

My normal haunts are the PI, Thailand, Colombia, El Salvador and Tijuana. I can return intel on those locales if anyone needs help.

Thanks much.[/QUOTE]Your calculation is correct, but if you read below, you'll see 1000ST is closer to normal. Girls from pickup bars are not cheap. You will likely not be able to book at ST hotel, because hotels need to register their guests with the police, and foreigners are extra effort. You'll likely find that ST hotels will claim they are not legally allowed to register foreigners (even if this is not true, they don't want the hassle given the high turn over of customers). You would need to find a Chinese girl or friend to book it for you. In your situation, going to a spa is probably your best bet. Spring Massage is a chain (which you can read about more on this forum) and almost all of the shops will have a 390 RMB oil massage option, and the girl will upsell, quite often to include FS. Expect another 500 RMB for that, but you can try negotiating if you know mandarin. Spring are all over Shanghai, but if you stay central in Puxi, then you'll be closest to a large number of them.

Finally, there are a lot of crackdowns recently, and girls are being a lot more cautious. If you are arriving soon, you may find you strike out. Shanghai (and China overall) is nothing like it used to be 5 years ago.

[QUOTE=WinniTPooh;2308098]I've been frequenting these qq / wechat girls for a number of years and it's been great fun from a perspective of variety and value! I understand your concern of being a westerner and standing out like a sore thumb but don't worry. I'm 2 m tall, white, bald and old! I also can't string 3 intelligible words together in putonghua! These girls offer fun, clean experiences with a bit of adventure added in finding them on your first visit. If she warrants it, the second visit is a breeze and you'll have more fun as you both will be more relaxed and appreciative. I've rarely been disappointed. One of my first questions during the initial chat is what type of room do they live in. Commonly, there are the 4 to 6 story walk ups, some of which have outside staircases and hallways where you are really on parade (these walk ups are often described as community in the interpretation), cheap local hotels and high rises. I've frequented all three in the past and now restrict myself to the high rise girls (with one regular exception). High rises feel completely safe because there are so many people coming and going. Who's to say where you're going etc. If the lift is crowded merely go up to the next floor and walk back down! She'll either have the door ajar or be there right away to open it. Don't knock loudly to draw attention. Common sense is irreplaceable! As I've been told many times by a number of girls, your safety is my safety. Do a little initial screening, be honest with them, have a sense of humour and have fun. You'll meet some good ones.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the helpful intel. The high rise does sound the way to go. I almost did this once, but the girl wanted a deposit. Hope you don't mind answering some more questions (I'd do PM, but you are not a senior member): how far in advance do you book? I've tried booking in the morning, but girl said she was busy all day- not sure if it was just an excuse. Where do you find the girls? Aishxx? Do you only go for girls that are reviewed there, or try newbies or wechat nearby girls? I'm worried about being robbed, or worse (waking up in a bath of ice) - have any bad experiences, or things that made you back out?

Cheers,

Rob.

[QUOTE=Socker;2308054]Greetings gents,

I'm doing my homework for my first trip to Shanghai . . . [/QUOTE]Hey Socker,

You got the conversion correct. Over $200 for short term from Judy's or Manhattan. The last few years the gov't has been clamping down and many of the spas have closed, and prices gone up.

J & M are both on Tongren Lu, between Nanjing Rd West and Yuyuan East Rd. Nearest hotel is the Portman. There are reasonably priced short term hotels, one chain is called 163.

Note: Google is blocked by the Great Firewall of China. You will need a good VPN to access google maps, etc.

Have fun, stay safe.

DoIt.

[QUOTE=Socker;2308054]Greetings gents,

I'm doing my homework for my first trip to Shanghai and a bit confused in general and need a hotel recommendation that's in the neighborhood of either day spas or night venues w FLs. I goggle earthed Judys and got 3 Judys not far from each other. I assume Judy's Lounge is what the guys here are talking about. I also used a conversion site to see what the pussy cost in dollars and from what the site says, the Chinese Yuan is 6. 7 to the dollar which means 1500 yuan = $223 for ST! If that's the going rate I will pass on that killer see pussy. I probably have that equation wrong so any help is appreciated. Also, I will need ST hotels to operate because my wife will be in the room sleeping. Thanks for any insights.

My normal haunts are the PI, Thailand, Colombia, El Salvador and Tijuana. I can return intel on those locales if anyone needs help.

Thanks much.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately your math is spot on. I usually divide by 7. From my world travels I put $200/ HR as the median price. Places like Germany and Thailand and Brazil below the median and China and London right on the median and Russia, Japan and US above the median. This is of course for the service, girl quality and venues I like. You have definitely been in below median countries so China will seem relatively expensive.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2308328]Unfortunately your math is spot on. I usually divide by 7. From my world travels I put $200/ HR as the median price. Places like Germany and Thailand and Brazil below the median and China and London right on the median and Russia, Japan and US above the median. This is of course for the service, girl quality and venues I like. You have definitely been in below median countries so China will seem relatively expensive.[/QUOTE]Like I said, oh my. Those prices are unbelievable. Hopefully you're getting top shelf material for 2 + bills per hour. I guess my dream of bedding a statuesque big breasted porcelain China Doll are gone forever. Oh well, I'll live. Thanks for your input. I have my libido trained for the "below median countries" ha where I can enjoy the whole night w my rental and not think about cost, or splashing around in the hotel pool w my chosen 3/4 some of the day. China requires much deeper pockets than I currently have plus the language barrier, still, it will be good to see what could be in Shanghai.

[QUOTE=DoItUnderwater;2308299]Hey Socker,

You got the conversion correct. Over $200 for short term from Judy's or Manhattan. The last few years the gov't has been clamping down and many of the spas have closed, and prices gone up.

J & M are both on Tongren Lu, between Nanjing Rd West and Yuyuan East Rd. Nearest hotel is the Portman. There are reasonably priced short term hotels, one chain is called 163.

Note: Google is blocked by the Great Firewall of China. You will need a good VPN to access google maps, etc.

Have fun, stay safe.

DoIt.[/QUOTE]Great info and will see what I can do about planting myself somewhere near the action. I don't have high hopes but I would like to give myself the option of going for it. My trip includes 10 days in Thailand (before Shanghai) so I will not be in "horn dog mode" when I get there but still these China Dolls will be on my mind. It must be pretty cool to monger in China, especially if you speak the lingo. From what I've read it seems the scene is picking up again and that's great news. Too bad there are no Shanghai Go Go Bars because that would change everything in my mind. Thanks much for the help guys.

Arrived Manhatten around midnight Friday, and it was packed. Unfortunately, all guys, less than 10 very marginal girls plus the 4 gogo girls dancing on the bar. Little better at Judy's, so after bouncing back and forth, left alone around 2.

Saturday, got there at 10 and surprisingly busy with maybe 60/40 guy to girl ratio. Picked up a good candidate for 1200 ech night for 2 nights with promise of Saturday & Tuesday at my hotel. Had great time. Delivered her back to M for a drink at 1 AM, she got a second trip almost immediately.

So seems like supply is down, and prices may be on the way up.

Will.

[QUOTE=Socker;2308375]Like I said, oh my. Those prices are unbelievable. Hopefully you're getting top shelf material for 2 + bills per hour. I guess my dream of bedding a statuesque big breasted porcelain China Doll are gone forever. Oh well, I'll live. Thanks for your input. I have my libido trained for the "below median countries" ha where I can enjoy the whole night w my rental and not think about cost, or splashing around in the hotel pool w my chosen 3/4 some of the day. China requires much deeper pockets than I currently have plus the language barrier, still, it will be good to see what could be in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]I am going to Shanghai soon for the first time also. I also am shocked and find that the pricing is daunting and out of my price range expect for maybe 1 session just to stake the flag. I found an out though and it will be interesting to see if it works. I made an account on filipinacupid and found. Voila! - alot of pinays that work there as domestic helpers. I am lining up a few contacts.

[QUOTE=XikangLu;2306798]After a friends dinner in some underground mall on Madang Rd I noticed a spring massage and I walked in. It was about 11 pm and the place was pretty quiet.

Standard 268 price for massage with HE negotiations. The classic Spring deal.

I was shown a standard tiny room with a shower and then girl #93 shows up. A decent looking, hot 21-yo from Hunan that had just joined that MP, moving from Baoshan into downtown. Oh boy she was great! At first she asked 1000 for FS for one hour, but I ended up with 500 for BBBJ & CIM. Fantastic skills. I won't say more. Just go try her out. Absolutely worth it. It's a spring massage so you know what to expect in terms of room decor and service in general, however this one girl is good.[/QUOTE]As another monger said, the 268 price is usually for a different type of massage with older women. At that place, I pay 396 for the special massage with young women. While it technically includes HJ, I always tip (but not the 500 the girls generally start out asking for). Recently had a quite attractive 24 year old from Fujian. Number 82, I think.

I went to checkout the Spring on maoming Road this weekend and apparently the oil massage is "taking a break". Tried another one of my regular places in Jingan with same result. I guess things are shutdown for a little while at the moment.

I usually do overnight with KTV girls in Shanghai (I know managers, just go and pick, no drinks, no KTV room charges). The overnight roughly from 9:00 pm to 9:00 am, cost 2500 yuan (about $360). I don't like J & M because (1), start too late at midnight, (2), KTV girls usually younger (around 20), (3), prefer Chinese than Viet, (4), if I find girl is clean using the similar techniques discussed below (pussy fluid test, and other methods, etc), many times, I can do bb fxxk without extra.

I also usually do ST at German FKK (50 euro for 30 minutes, good value, I can do a few FKK fxxks a visit). But if I book a FKK girl for overnight, it may cost over 800 euros for 8 hours, much more expensive than Shanghai KTV girls.

I visited Brazil and Thailand a few times. But I personally like light color skin of European and Northeast Asia (Japan, Korea, China) instead of dark color skin of S. American or S. E. Asia like Thailand. Just a personal preference. Still many beautiful Brazilian, and Thailand girls are light color skin that I like very much.

USA is a very bad place for P4P.

Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2308328]Unfortunately your math is spot on. I usually divide by 7. From my world travels I put $200/ HR as the median price. Places like Germany and Thailand and Brazil below the median and China and London right on the median and Russia, Japan and US above the median. This is of course for the service, girl quality and venues I like. You have definitely been in below median countries so China will seem relatively expensive.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RobSH;2308258]Your calculation is correct, but if you read below, you'll see 1000ST is closer to normal. Girls from pickup bars are not cheap. You will likely not be able to book at ST hotel, because hotels need to register their guests with the police, and foreigners are extra effort. You'll likely find that ST hotels will claim they are not legally allowed to register foreigners (even if this is not true, they don't want the hassle given the high turn over of customers). You would need to find a Chinese girl or friend to book it for you. In your situation, going to a spa is probably your best bet. Spring Massage is a chain (which you can read about more on this forum) and almost all of the shops will have a 390 RMB oil massage option, and the girl will upsell, quite often to include FS. Expect another 500 RMB for that, but you can try negotiating if you know mandarin. Spring are all over Shanghai, but if you stay central in Puxi, then you'll be closest to a large number of them.

Finally, there are a lot of crackdowns recently, and girls are being a lot more cautious. If you are arriving soon, you may find you strike out. Shanghai (and China overall) is nothing like it used to be 5 years ago.[/QUOTE]Yeah, thanks for the straight facts. In BKK I will be using ST hotels after pulling from Go Go Bars / Beer Bars. If that's not an option in Shanghai then it will be a non mongering visit. I do appreciate the info on Spring Massage and that sounds kind of promising. I'll be in Shanghai in late May and try do a mini TR as a thank you to this forum. Cheers and happy travels.

[QUOTE=MiguelD;2308583]I went to checkout the Spring on maoming Road this weekend and apparently the oil massage is "taking a break". Tried another one of my regular places in Jingan with same result. I guess things are shutdown for a little while at the moment.[/QUOTE]I'm not surprised, a semi legit place in Jing'an(some big expensive spa place with 28 rooms which can also perform less legit "projects") was controlled or raided last week at like 2 pm on a week day when I was having a veggie massage.

Suddenly a light came on. While the girl told me it was just the reception playing I told her normal places don't have lights in the room controled by the reception unless its to warn the police is coming. She laughed and asked me how I knew that.

Anyway, even when the massage was finished they wouldn't let me leave right away, they made me wait a few minutes. Probably not wanting me to cross the path of the police at the reception area.

Stay safe!

I think one thing that noobs need to be aware of that is that 396 option is not on the menu. You have to ask for it. And if you're a noob and you cannot speak Mandarin, then this may be awkward.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2308575]As another monger said, the 268 price is usually for a different type of massage with older women. At that place, I pay 396 for the special massage with young women. While it technically includes HJ, I always tip (but not the 500 the girls generally start out asking for). Recently had a quite attractive 24 year old from Fujian. Number 82, I think.[/QUOTE]Yes, the price went up to 396 a few months ago. At the time, they dropped the oil up-sell scam (+40, +60 or +80), but as of a couple of weeks ago, they've started doing it again. So count on 436 before tips.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2308810]I think one thing that noobs need to be aware of that is that 396 option is not on the menu. You have to ask for it. And if you're a noob and you cannot speak Mandarin, then this may be awkward.[/QUOTE]Right, I just tell them when I arrive (in Chinese) that I only want a young woman. Then they propose the 396 option. So I end up with 396+ maybe 200 for a hot, young naked thing but no sex. Not a great deal but it's something.

As to the oil up-sell, I believe that depends on the provider. It's part of their tip, essentially.

Went to the spot for their roast chicken yesterday and notice a spa above the place. Any experience? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Avonite;2309923]Went to the spot for their roast chicken yesterday and notice a spa above the place. Any experience? Thanks.[/QUOTE]That may be Lets Relax Spa. Wechat = LetsRelaxSPA.

On the smartshanghai website.

Teltel.

[QUOTE=DoItUnderwater;2308299]Note: Google is blocked by the Great Firewall of China. You will need a good VPN to access google maps, etc.[/QUOTE]I am going there soon, and I am wondering what to do to cope with that. Any good VPN you suggest? Possibly free, since I will stay there only one week and I will not have the same problem again?

What about Open Street Maps to replace Google Maps?

I think you have solved all these problems long time ago, and probably can give a good advice. Thanks!!

(Apologies for the nearly OOT question).

Hey all,

Going to be staying around Nanjing road. From what I can gather the entire area is pretty much just scammers and I'd be best off heading over to Jing'an, right?

[QUOTE=Teltel;2310064]That may be Lets Relax Spa. Wechat = LetsRelaxSPA.

On the smartshanghai website.

Teltel.[/QUOTE]Any "interesting" massages there?

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2310524]I am going there soon, and I am wondering what to do to cope with that. Any good VPN you suggest? Possibly free, since I will stay there only one week and I will not have the same problem again?

What about Open Street Maps to replace Google Maps?

I think you have solved all these problems long time ago, and probably can give a good advice. Thanks!!

(Apologies for the nearly OOT question).[/QUOTE]I use ExpressVPN. It is a paid service but I think you can buy just one month then cancel. With it, you can install on a computer and also a smartphone with one subscription.

I have not had good luck finding other good maps in English. Google is best. Gaode maps is good if you can read Chinese (I can't). Download the Google translate app and the Chinese language pack.

Have fun. Be Safe.

DoIt.

[QUOTE=Ohwtflol;2310557]Hey all,

Going to be staying around Nanjing road. From what I can gather the entire area is pretty much just scammers and I'd be best off heading over to Jing'an, right?[/QUOTE]Correct, do not follow people who stops you on the street. Nanjing or Xintiandi.

I use NordVPN and it works great. I'm in China now and have had no problems connecting to Google or in using Gmail. It is only $3 per month and covers up to 5 devices.

It is a good idea to use at home as well any time you are on Wi-Fi.

Red Rider.

Hi,

Over on a short weekend and staying in the Waldorf on The Bund, very nice. Was the jazz club at the Peace hotel yesterday, quite early. Started talking to this girl about 35-40, very pretty and spoke good English. She was quite curvy which I liked and very well dressed in an almost conservative way. After a drink on me and a nice chat, she sprang the question. We walked back to the Waldorf and the doorman just smiled and let us in. The elevators are in the middle of the complex on the way to one of the bars, so we just rode up and spent the night. Great session, she was trimmed but new shaved and loved get DATY a lot. BBBJ, nice slow fucking. Two shots in the evening and one in the morning. Set me back 3000 EMY but so worth it. Have new date with her tonight!

[QUOTE=Anders99;2311310]Hi,

Over on a short weekend and staying in the Waldorf on The Bund, very nice. Was the jazz club at the Peace hotel yesterday, quite early. Started talking to this girl about 35-40, very pretty and spoke good English. She was quite curvy which I liked and very well dressed in an almost conservative way. After a drink on me and a nice chat, she sprang the question. We walked back to the Waldorf and the doorman just smiled and let us in. The elevators are in the middle of the complex on the way to one of the bars, so we just rode up and spent the night. Great session, she was trimmed but new shaved and loved get DATY a lot. BBBJ, nice slow fucking. Two shots in the evening and one in the morning. Set me back 3000 EMY but so worth it. Have new date with her tonight![/QUOTE]Just looking for a hotel in Shanghai where there is action, or near to the action. In Hong Kong, Bangkok and Singapore, I always go to the Hyatt because the bar is full of freelancers, but this will be my first time in Shanghai, so is the Waldorf the best?

[QUOTE=Ohwtflol;2310557]Hey all,

Going to be staying around Nanjing road. From what I can gather the entire area is pretty much just scammers and I'd be best off heading over to Jing'an, right?[/QUOTE]Thats right, stay away from them.

Either real hunting in Maoming Lu or Manhattan.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=JeanYou;2311481]Thats right, stay away from them.

Either real hunting in Maoming Lu or Manhattan.

Good luck![/QUOTE]Thanks all for the advice. Travelling with friends so Judy's or Manhattan probably not possible. Was hoping to find a sauna but since I can't speak Chinese may just head to Spring Massage as I have heard so much about it.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2311429]Just looking for a hotel in Shanghai where there is action, or near to the action. In Hong Kong, Bangkok and Singapore, I always go to the Hyatt because the bar is full of freelancers, but this will be my first time in Shanghai, so is the Waldorf the best?[/QUOTE]If looking for bar action you should go to Swiss Hotel, Portman ritz carlton, Puli or Shangrila Yan'an road hotels as they are close to the bar scene behind the Portman (Judy, manhattan and such).

From there you can easily go anywhere in the city by taxi or subway.

Much better location than the waldorf which is more of a tourist point by the bund but gets you trapped into trafic jam easily.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2311552]If looking for bar action you should go to Swiss Hotel, Portman ritz carlton, Puli or Shangrila Yan'an road hotels as they are close to the bar scene behind the Portman (Judy, manhattan and such).

From there you can easily go anywhere in the city by taxi or subway.

Much better location than the waldorf which is more of a tourist point by the bund but gets you trapped into trafic jam easily.[/QUOTE]Thanks Sinofaguo! The Portman Ritz Carlton is looking good.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2311610]Thanks Sinofaguo! The Portman Ritz Carlton is looking good.[/QUOTE]ES, just so you know, Judy's and Manhattan's are like Ipanema and Brix in Singapore. Since you said you monger in SG, this should give you an idea of what to expect at these places.

Am an Indian traveling alone to China for first time.

Shall be based out of Hilton Shanghai. Have done quite a few RTTF and believe Judy or Manhattan is the only safe bet for me. Would appreciate if you guys can help me with following.

- is it safe for a lone Indian person travelling around late at night I. E. After 10.

- how far is Pullman from Hilton.

- do the girls speak any English.

- going rate I am assuming is around 1200-2000 rmb for night?

- is Hilton girl friendly.

- can I get a taxi from Judy considering I don't have an app.

Thanks in advance and appreciate your help.

Cheers,

Tp.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2308262]Thanks for the helpful intel. The high rise does sound the way to go. I almost did this once, but the girl wanted a deposit. Hope you don't mind answering some more questions (I'd do PM, but you are not a senior member): how far in advance do you book? I've tried booking in the morning, but girl said she was busy all day- not sure if it was just an excuse. Where do you find the girls? Aishxx? Do you only go for girls that are reviewed there, or try newbies or wechat nearby girls? I'm worried about being robbed, or worse (waking up in a bath of ice) - have any bad experiences, or things that made you back out?

Cheers,

Rob.[/QUOTE]Sorry about my lack of PM.

To answer your questions: I've been told countless times by every provider to make contact on the day and then again when an hour or so from arriving. Only once I was asked for a fifty percent deposit for an advanced day and time booking. Needless to say I didn't bother.

I found many of the girls on the old qianhua site. From these contacts I was asked to join chat groups which are loaded with girls looking for business. I never chat, just look up individuals from the info provided, telephone number, Wechat and sometimes qq, and then make private contact.

I suppose these would be your newbies!

I'm cautious by nature but I've never, in many years, felt unsafe and rarely disappointed. It's a low cost sexual adventure!

I've only backed out a couple of times when a low rise walk up appeared to be too confusing to find or too much of a dump. More recently, since only going to high rises, it's easy.

I think these girls are taking a bigger risk than we are. Generally speaking I try to get a sense of the girl in the brief chats before making a decision. Now I have a pretty extensive list to choose from without anxiety.

Hope this helps. Give it a try, you'll most likely be rewarded.

Hi everyone,

Went to Spring in Madang Road two times the last week in afternoon. 396 each time and good massage with he and +100 for extra nude chest. So everything good but throws two time after at 9. 00 pm and 6. 00 on and at desk they informed me no 396 available. The first time meant people were inside for a legit probably so OK but second time the same. Is anybody knows why? Is he massage just reserved for low traffic hours? Or do they stop extra?

I also go to Jiashan station, is anyone has other good address near king an?

Is anybody already tried apartment girl found on wechat. I have one or two addresses where girl are available in apartment but not sure about safety!

Thanks.

[QUOTE=TimePassPune;2312308]Am an Indian traveling alone to China for first time.

Shall be based out of Hilton Shanghai. Have done quite a few RTTF and believe Judy or Manhattan is the only safe bet for me. Would appreciate if you guys can help me with following.

- is it safe for a lone Indian person travelling around late at night I. E. After 10.

- how far is Pullman from Hilton.

- do the girls speak any English.

- going rate I am assuming is around 1200-2000 rmb for night?

- is Hilton girl friendly.

- can I get a taxi from Judy considering I don't have an app.

Thanks in advance and appreciate your help.the

Cheers,

Tp.[/QUOTE]The HIlton Shanghai is quite a distance from M or J'S. I would switch to the portman if you can. It's only a one block walk from the bars. The girls speak english and your price range works. There are many taxi's outside M and J's as the night goes on but they are black cabs (black market) and you will pay a higher price. I can't speak to the pullman. Being Indian is a hit against you. Many of the girls have had bad experiences with your brothers from India. I have an indian friend with me one night and he got turned down quite a bit. My advice is be nice to them when talking and if they are not giving you a good vibe, move on. Don't let it get to you. One of the first guys i spoke to when i went to M's in the beginning was Indian and he did ok.

Even with that challenge, you will find a girl in the price range listed

please post your experiences for the rest of us. IF we don't all contribute, the board doesn't work.

[QUOTE=TimePassPune;2312308]Am an Indian traveling alone to China for first time.

SNIP

Thanks in advance and appreciate your help.

Cheers,

Tp.[/QUOTE]SamCan has already given you a comprehensive reply so I have nothing to add. However, an important word of caution as a first time traveller. DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT EVER agree to follow any tout (man or lady) who walks up to you and tries to be nice and promises to show you a good time. They will rob you blind. Just do not give in to temptation or frustration of not finding poon. Simply thank them politely and walk away. They will follow, just keep walking.

This also applies to young girls who might approach you requesting you to join a traditional tea party or requesting your help with brushing up English skills and all that crap.

Stay safe. I am sharing this only because you seem to have done some RTFF and have asked some reasonable questions. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2312541]SamCan has already given you a comprehensive reply so I have nothing to add. However, an important word of caution as a first time traveller. DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT EVER agree to follow any tout (man or lady) who walks up to you and tries to be nice and promises to show you a good time. They will rob you blind. Just do not give in to temptation or frustration of not finding poon. Simply thank them politely and walk away. They will follow, just keep walking.

This also applies to young girls who might approach you requesting you to join a traditional tea party or requesting your help with brushing up English skills and all that crap.

Stay safe. I am sharing this only because you seem to have done some RTFF and have asked some reasonable questions. Good luck.[/QUOTE]I have to add that once in People's Square I was approached by a group of "students" from another province visiting Shanghai. It took them a while but finally they asked me to go get a drink with them. To be honest they had me up to that point because they took their time to build by trust. As soon as I heard "have a drink" I bolted. Please follow the advice, under no circumstance follow anyone.

[QUOTE=BigPoppaII;2312657]I have to add that once in People's Square I was approached by a group of "students" from another province visiting Shanghai. It took them a while but finally they asked me to go get a drink with them. To be honest they had me up to that point because they took their time to build by trust. As soon as I heard "have a drink" I bolted. Please follow the advice, under no circumstance follow anyone.[/QUOTE]Thanks all for all the advise and really appreciate same.

Just to confirm whether the Hilton shall be girl friendly or not?

Shall report once am done and again thanks for all the guidance.

Cheers guys.

[QUOTE=Strephane58;2312354]Hi everyone,

Went to Spring in Madang Road two times the last week in afternoon. 396 each time and good massage with he and +100 for extra nude chest. So everything good but throws two time after at 9. 00 pm and 6. 00 on and at desk they informed me no 396 available. The first time meant people were inside for a legit probably so OK but second time the same. Is anybody knows why? Is he massage just reserved for low traffic hours? Or do they stop extra?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Spring and Yu's extras have been suspended temporarily. A couple of girls have informed me that they aren't allowed to do extras for at least a couple of days or so. So some of them even went home.

The other day, I went to Changzhou 76. It turned into a strictly high end HJ joint. The rates are super high, 498/798/998. Price range varies depending on the hotness of the masseuse, ala old Dongguan. Again, its strictly a HJ service. The place has been renovated and is clean but to me, the prices are just too much for a HJ.

K.

Both C and V were available before, but now I can only find V. Does anyone know whether see can be still found in Beijing or Shanghai? The options in both BJ and SH are getting slimmer by day. My current strategy is to get the supplies and use them elsewhere.

[QUOTE=TimePassPune;2312697]Thanks all for all the advise and really appreciate same.

Just to confirm whether the Hilton shall be girl friendly or not?

Shall report once am done and again thanks for all the guidance.

Cheers guys.[/QUOTE]What is your definition of girl friendly? Every hotel in China will allow you to bring a girl into your room as long as the girl has ID and registers at the front desk.

Was in Shanghai a few weeks ago, just now getting around to posting something.

I usually go to J's, but I ended up staying in the small hotel right next to M's and ended up hanging out a bit there. On one night, there was this beautiful Chinese gal out front smoking so I decided to try to chat her up. She was with his "boyfriend" and a group of their friends. They use M's as a kinda swingers club, and swap out mistresses and add a Viet for group play. They come about twice or three times a month, whenever the guys are free to play with their mistresses. She was super hot, an ex car model who has had many trips to Korea for enhancement. She was a 10 for sure, and she told me she was well kept in an apartment with a new BMW and expense account. She was pissed off at her boyfriend as it was "that time" but yet he drug her along. She came out to smoke a few times and would always look at me when she left, and I would go hang out with her.

Her English was perfect, I mean Southern California perfect, I almost thought she was ABC. She spent some time in the states going to school, but got home sick and went home. She was a nice chick, but you could tell she could be a demanding she devil. I did get her wechat, and we talked a bit the next day but she then deleted me.

I ended up with a short spinner named Emma, Viet, small A's, 1,500 for LT, but ended up kicking her out about 4 am as she snored.

I also made it to a couple of Yu locations, both I was offered everything for 1,000 tip, one I declined (a little heavy for me), the other I partook (18 yo from Heibei), tight was not the right word, crushing little brother. She messaged me throughout the trip wanting to come to my hotel for 2000, I kept her at bay as she was almost my perfect definition of a spinner and she spoke just enough English to understand most of my dirty talk. If I partook then I knew I'd fall for her and that's not good.

Went to some dance club with a factory guy near Pudong, was drunk from dinner when we went so I have no idea where it was or the name, the chicks were very very hot, and I was the only white guy in the place and about 20 years older than anyone in the club. As my usual, ended up flirting with our waitress who was P4 P available, but I was too damn drunk to do anything other than take her into the men's bathroom stall and finger her.

[QUOTE=Keric333;2312807]Spring and Yu's extras have been suspended temporarily. A couple of girls have informed me that they aren't allowed to do extras for at least a couple of days or so. So some of them even went home.

The other day, I went to Changzhou 76. It turned into a strictly high end HJ joint. The rates are super high, 498/798/998. Price range varies depending on the hotness of the masseuse, ala old Dongguan. Again, its strictly a HJ service. The place has been renovated and is clean but to me, the prices are just too much for a HJ.

K.[/QUOTE]Ah that explains my experience the other day. I was told no 396 service at two Hongkou Spring shops. The Spring shop on Tongbei road has shut down permanently.

[QUOTE=WinniTPooh;2312350]Snip
Hope this helps. Give it a try, you'll most likely be rewarded.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Your help is appreciated.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2311429]Just looking for a hotel in Shanghai where there is action, or near to the action. In Hong Kong, Bangkok and Singapore, I always go to the Hyatt because the bar is full of freelancers, but this will be my first time in Shanghai, so is the Waldorf the best?[/QUOTE]Hi,

Note! I met the girl in the Fairmont Peace Hotel's Jazz Bar. Where several girls there but very discrete. Don't know if it is a regular hangout. Re. The Waldorf that's where I stayed, was just no problem bringing someone up!

Regards,

Anders99.

Will be in Shanghai for three nights starting coming Thursday. Any one there and up for joint hunt may message me. Expect me to visit all the top night spots.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2313002]Ah that explains my experience the other day. I was told no 396 service at two Hongkou Spring shops. The Spring shop on Tongbei road has shut down permanently.[/QUOTE]I just contacted my faves at Madang and Jiangning locations, and both are taking days off because of the "windy weather. ".

Long time lurker but decided to register and share my experience in case it helps anyone. I was in Shanghai for the past few weeks and just got back. I will probably not be visiting Shanghai again until next year at least.

Before I dive into the experience, here are a few details about me. My extent of Chinese speaking abilities can be succinctly summarized as "Ni Hao" and google translate. I am a 2nd generation American Indian but for their purposes, I look like my 1.2 Billion brothers and sisters. Bias cannot be discounted even if I think and sound like an American, I look like an Indian. I felt the need to emphasize on this point based on SamCan's honest and direct input to a post below. I tend to agree with his assessment. Its unfortunate but indeed the sad truth. I can vouch for it based on many many no go situations in the US over the years.

Based on recommendations in this forum, I visited the Spring Massage on Madang road as well as the one on Wanping Rd on Tuesday and Wednesday of this week respectively. Both days, I got there after 9 PM. The Madang Rd Spring Massage place had Spring Massage prominently displayed on the building. However, when I walked in, there was this cute girl behind the counter and she kept insisting that they are no longer "tied" with Spring Massage and they only provide Chinese Massage. Despite my best efforts, that one was a complete no go and I decided to walk away as they were in no mood to discuss further.

Wanping Rd was an interesting experience. I walked in there and based on the many posts, it had all the "signs" of the typical massage place that we mongerers will be looking for. However, the guy I talked to could converse in broken English and refused that a 396 massage existed. I went as far as to tell him that my friend recommended this place, that this was my last day in Shanghai and I had a good bit of money to spend. Once that was a no go, I decided to get the 298 massage hoping that the masseuse will offer services that this guy refuses to acknowledge. I was walked to a room in the back and asked to change into some flimsy shorts. Note: The shower was in the room. The masseuse then walked in. (I found out later that she was #23). She asked me to lie face down and weirdly enough started scratching my head. This went on for a good 15 minutes and all this while, I was thinking be patient, anytime now. The next thing you know, she climbs on my back and the next 55 minutes was probably one of the best ever massages that I have ever experienced. She walked on my back, used toes to apply pressure in the right points, stretched my neck, stretched my spine and I was literally in heaven. I had not realized until then how hectic my trip had been and this massage was just what I needed (not wanted). The back walking was followed by assisted contortions and positions that I had never imagined were possible. There were all kinds of popping and clicking sounds from my bones. Then we sat face to face and she proceeded to spread my thighs out. I could have sworn that she intentionally forced the shorts to rip with her thumbs but I am not sure. Junior popped out, she looked at it, smiled, said sorry and covered him with a towel. Some more stretching, clicking, popping. Then she got down, said "Massage done. You too heavy, see sweat and showed the sweat on her brow", said thank you and walked out. I changed and walked out. I explicitly asked the guy again why no happy ending was offered and he just kept saying no. Anyway, at that point, I paid my dues, offered a tip for the masseuse but they refused and then I walked out.

My overall thoughts. " Fuck you junior, not everything is about you. Sometimes, even a massage can be orgasmic".

To my fellow mongers, I say unapologetically, keep on keeping on.

Thanks to the help of fellow mongers in Shanghai had a great time there. Only stayed for 3-4 days but was indeed a memorable trip although very expensive.

First night my fellow colleagues took me to a KTV for breaking my virginity of the same. Great ambiance Goodwin but could not be a full party to it because cannot speak any chinese. Was told there are wild games that you can play there but somehow could not happen that night due to some issues with police checking. Ended up taking 2 girls to my room for a great great night. Both the girls were willing to stay back until afternoon but had meetings and kicked them out at 6 after having a good morning session.

Next a couple of nights later ended up at Judy. Went to Manhattan first but looked slow and ended up at Judy. Was fairly early around 9. 15 but quite a few ladies already in. Mostly a good 6-7 scale and some a good 8-9. Standard going rate is 1500 and 3000. Ended up taking a Viet for 1600 for 2 shots plus taxi and was a great experience. As mentioned tax a cab to Portman and walk the 1 block towards Judy. No problem. Being an Indian does have a problem as girls do not easily come to you but well you need to try and be good and you can score.

Overall a great time but very expensive.

Cheers.

Tp.

[QUOTE=GreatMongerer;2313479]Long time lurker but decided to register and share my experience in case it helps anyone. I was in Shanghai for the past few weeks and just got back. I will probably not be visiting Shanghai again until next year at least.

I look like an Indian. I felt the need to emphasize on this point based on SamCan's honest and direct input to a post below. I tend to agree with his assessment. Its unfortunate but indeed the sad truth. I.[/QUOTE]Thank you for changing your status from Lurker to contributor. If you go back, I can make suggestions on an MP. I can even give you a name. A trip to Judy's can also be orgasmic.

SAM.

[QUOTE=GreatMongerer;2313479]Long time lurker but decided to register and share my experience in case it helps anyone. I was in Shanghai for the past few weeks and just got back. I will probably not be visiting Shanghai again until next year at least.

Before I dive into the experience, here are a few details about me. My extent of Chinese speaking abilities can be succinctly summarized as "Ni Hao" and google translate. I am a 2nd generation American Indian but for their purposes, I look like my 1.2 Billion brothers and sisters. [/QUOTE]You picked a bad time to come to Shanghai. See my post below. Spring seems to not have been offering the 396 option this week due to windy weather. The Chinese forum reports raids in Pudong, and multiple shops closed in multiple districts. You likely got one of the regular massage girls: yes, they give good massages! Expect the bad weather to continue for a while: this year is particularly 'sensitive' due to 70th anniversary of PRC founding, and 30th anniversary of 6/4, among other important dates. You'll notice increased police activity in all areas of life (drug checks, passport checks, traffic stops all have increased). Better play safe folks.

[QUOTE=WinniTPooh;2312350]Sorry about my lack of PM.

To answer your questions: I've been told countless times by every provider to make contact on the day and then again when an hour or so from arriving. Only once I was asked for a fifty percent deposit for an advanced day and time booking. Needless to say I didn't bother.

I found many of the girls on the old qianhua site. From these contacts I was asked to join chat groups which are loaded with girls looking for business. I never chat, just look up individuals from the info provided, telephone number, Wechat and sometimes qq, and then make private contact.

I suppose these would be your newbies!

I'm cautious by nature but I've never, in many years, felt unsafe and rarely disappointed. It's a low cost sexual adventure!.[/QUOTE]Hello,

Thanks for the information! I have two more questions if you do not mind: with "old qianhua site" you mean aishxx or any other? And, how do you filter or recognize the "high rises"?

Thank you!

M.

[QUOTE=Keric333;2312807]Spring and Yu's extras have been suspended temporarily. A couple of girls have informed me that they aren't allowed to do extras for at least a couple of days or so. So some of them even went home.

The other day, I went to Changzhou 76. It turned into a strictly high end HJ joint. The rates are super high, 498/798/998. Price range varies depending on the hotness of the masseuse, ala old Dongguan. Again, its strictly a HJ service. The place has been renovated and is clean but to me, the prices are just too much for a HJ.

K.[/QUOTE]Same experience at the former Spring at 585 Jiangning Lu (which renamed beginning of the year but still offered the same service last time I went there).

Went there last week and they didn't offer the 398 option.

Is there anything particular this week which causes the windy weather?

Any alternative MPs around Jing'an?

[QUOTE=MiSe;2315306]Same experience at the former Spring at 585 Jiangning Lu (which renamed beginning of the year but still offered the same service last time I went there).

Went there last week and they didn't offer the 398 option.

Is there anything particular this week which causes the windy weather?

Any alternative MPs around Jing'an?[/QUOTE]Last week was also the B&R Forum. Can anyone report success this week?

There are a couple of MPs I know of in Jingan. However, weather has been a bit windy. PM me for details if the weather doesn't bother you.

K.

There's a massage place along Wuxi road tuck beside a fruit store and a hotel.

Its a straight forward service 269 yuan.

15 mins of light massage and then the girl gets down to business, but just he tho.

Girls are usually 6/10 but they get the job done.

Good during windy weather.

[QUOTE=Pewpew1991;2316378]There's a massage place along Wuxi road tuck beside a fruit store and a hotel.

Its a straight forward service 269 yuan.

15 mins of light massage and then the girl gets down to business, but just he tho.

Girls are usually 6/10 but they get the job done.

Good during windy weather.[/QUOTE]Its a good first step to make a report.

But another important step is making sure it contains the necessary info to be usable by other readers.

Are you sure its Wuxi Road and not Wuyi Road? Which intersection? As a road in shanghai can have 10,20, 40. Different intersections. Or what is the name of the hotel you mention.
There used to be quite a few MPs in the wuyi road / ding xi road area which I reported on the board in the past. Haven't been back in this area for ages so not sure what's still left there.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2316551]Its a good first step to make a report.

But another important step is making sure it contains the necessary info to be usable by other readers.

Are you sure its Wuxi Road and not Wuyi Road? Which intersection? As a road in shanghai can have 10,20, 40. Different intersections. Or what is the name of the hotel you mention.
There used to be quite a few MPs in the wuyi road / ding xi road area which I reported on the board in the past. Haven't been back in this area for ages so not sure what's still left there.[/QUOTE]Ahh my bad. Wanted to be discreet with the location. But I got the road wrong. Yeah you're right, its near the intersection of Wuyi road / Kaixuan Road, not sure of the hotel name. Opposite of a petrol kiosk.

Visited them 2 weeks ago, just a HJ place, they do offer 4 hands as well for 2 x price but still 1 P.

[QUOTE=Pewpew1991;2316725]Ahh my bad. Wanted to be discreet with the location. But I got the road wrong. Yeah you're right, its near the intersection of Wuyi road / Kaixuan Road, not sure of the hotel name. Opposite of a petrol kiosk.

Visited them 2 weeks ago, just a HJ place, they do offer 4 hands as well for 2 x price but stilly atom 1 P.[/QUOTE]Probably the Home Inn, subway station not far away.

Teltel.

The site is up again. See classifieds if you don't know the site. Very reliable source for indies. You know that I'm not a shill if you've read any of my past posts.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2317494]The site is up again. See classifieds if you don't know the site. Very reliable source for indies. You know that I'm not a shill if you've read any of my past posts.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I gave a check and the site is carefully going back. Good news!

Friendly reminder to everyone, Shanghai is currently mega risky (and not only Shanghai, its the same for Shenzhen and other places) until at least June 4 rth.

Where do you find all the Street girls in Shanghai?

I was quite interested in the you tube footage posted by Lan Lan as recently as one year ago, I heard references to the different Shanghai Metro Stations which would take you to these places such as Qibao, Zhuanqiao and Xinzhuang and have walked about these places and haven't found any street girls day or night.

Has Police enforcement forced these girls to go into hiding or work elsewhere?

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2318135]Friendly reminder to everyone, Shanghai is currently mega risky (and not only Shanghai, its the same for Shenzhen and other places) until at least June 4 rth.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the reminder. I'll be in Shenzhen on Sunday for 3 days. Is it risky to go to a sauna considering there is not much action nowadays except HE? And what is the risk precisely? Thank you.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2318135]Friendly reminder to everyone, Shanghai is currently mega risky (and not only Shanghai, its the same for Shenzhen and other places) until at least June 4 rth.[/QUOTE]I'm going to Shanghai next week so what is this that is going on until June 4th?

Some Jingan spas closed for two months. I've never seen a storm this bad in 10 years. Sugoi clear your pm cache.

[QUOTE=Jimlad74;2318787]Where do you find all the Street girls in Shanghai?

I was quite interested in the you tube footage posted by Lan Lan as recently as one year ago, I heard references to the different Shanghai Metro Stations which would take you to these places such as Qibao, Zhuanqiao and Xinzhuang and have walked about these places and haven't found any street girls day or night.

Has Police enforcement forced these girls to go into hiding or work elsewhere?[/QUOTE]A lot of places in his video has been cracked down and closed. Another reason why he hasn't updated from China lately.

Just had an great sauna experience in Shanghai. Landed in Shanghai in the early afternoon, called my old contact and go the address. For the safety, you first go to a point where it is easy for them to get to see you first, then call you and sent a car to you, you get in the car, then they take you to the place without tell you the exact address. Was showed a lineup with about 15. I choose one with great look and smilly face. We ahve to wait for about 30 minutes for a room as all the room was occupied at about 8 pm. Then usually protocol for about 80 minutes including BBBJ, DL, etc.

I love SH.

Last week I tried the MP on 1565 Huashan Lu as some others seem to be veggie only at the moment.

When I walked in the receptionist directly recommended the "lymp massage" for 258 RMB which was advertised on the counter. After double-confirming ("is this a special massage" - "yes it is") I was sent to the room and asked if I would like to take a shower first (on the floor). After 10 minutes or so, a mid-/ end-30 (6/10) showed up and started the usual routine (back massage for about 20 minutes, then big focus on the lower region), Flip, HJ). After that again shower on the room.

After the flip, she asked for a tip before she started the HJ, but we didn't talk about any amount. Gave her in the end 100 and was a bit surprised that she seemed to be not satisfied.

Overall average girl but good massage, good HJ, total damage 358 RMB.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;2320315]Just had an great sauna experience in Shanghai. Landed in Shanghai in the early afternoon, called my old contact and go the address. For the safety, you first go to a point where it is easy for them to get to see you first, then call you and sent a car to you, you get in the car, then they take you to the place without tell you the exact address. Was showed a lineup with about 15. I choose one with great look and smilly face. We ahve to wait for about 30 minutes for a room as all the room was occupied at about 8 pm. Then usually protocol for about 80 minutes including BBBJ, DL, etc.

I love SH.[/QUOTE]Next time take a friend. Then he will take a friend. Advertising the location kills the golden goose for all. Arizona took me to one. Told the sauna boss that I was his best customer and to treat me well.

[QUOTE=MiSe;2320474]Last week I tried the MP on 1565 Huashan Lu as some others seem to be veggie only at the moment.

When I walked in the receptionist directly recommended the "lymp massage" for 258 RMB which was advertised on the counter.

After the flip, she asked for a tip before she started the HJ, but we didn't talk about any amount. Gave her in the end 100 and was a bit surprised that she seemed to be not satisfied.

Overall average girl but good massage, good HJ, total damage 358 RMB.[/QUOTE]I've been there a bunch. You must obviously be a foreigner, otherwise they wouldn't recommend the lymph massage. They also expect a 200 tip, but you're allowed to roam. I've handle those massive jugs. It's fun. And they know how to give a hand job by working the prostrate. I've had explosive releases there. But again, the providers are old and fat. But for me, that's okay sometimes, as variety is the spice to life. Final FYI, if they say no to a shower and if you're not on the second floor, then there's no happy ending. Usually, they only offer happy ending in the room next to the shower.

Hi all,

I will be traveling to Shanghai, and would appreciate it very much if someone can give me pointers on:

1. best location to stay.

2. location to pickup girls.

3. what kind of scene is available? - indie escorts?

4. which is the best bet for me if I don't speak the language. (Only English I'm afraid).

Thanks!

Hi,

A few posts now and then and also recently writes "Be careful" either because there is a crackdown ongoing or because it is risky.

But what is risky behavior and what is not? What is safe?

Eg is it risky to strange by WeChat to meet a girl at a non restricted floor in a 5 star hotel?

Is it risky to walk into the hotel with a girl and bring her to your room?

Is it risky to bring a girl from Judy's or Manhattan to your hotel?

I mean there are cameras everywhere anyway, probably not in the room but. Again - you never know in China.

Somebody wrote that shanghai was risky at least until 4 June. Why especially risky and how?

Advice appreciate.

[QUOTE=Mrfrederik;2321669]Hi,

A few posts now and then and also recently writes "Be careful" either because there is a crackdown ongoing or because it is risky.

But what is risky behavior and what is not? What is safe?

Eg is it risky to strange by WeChat to meet a girl at a non restricted floor in a 5 star hotel?

Is it risky to walk into the hotel with a girl and bring her to your room?

Is it risky to bring a girl from Judy's or Manhattan to your hotel?

I mean there are cameras everywhere anyway, probably not in the room but. Again - you never know in China.

Somebody wrote that shanghai was risky at least until 4 June. Why especially risky and how?

Advice appreciate.[/QUOTE]I askes the same but the guys writing it won't explaine. Anyhow I'm here now so I have found out my self. I spoke to some queens of the night and the police is doing raids on places such as Judys and Manhattan, doing drug test etc.

Not sure why but seems to be some big meeting comming up. I assume its soon back to business but for you guys that lile to go on the heavy stuf keep calm.

BTW Big Bamboo has change location still near the old place.

[QUOTE=Gavazzi;2321887]I askes the same but the guys writing it won't explaine. Anyhow I'm here now so I have found out my self. I spoke to some queens of the night and the police is doing raids on places such as Judys and Manhattan, doing drug test etc.

Not sure why but seems to be some big meeting comming up. I assume its soon back to business but for you guys that lile to go on the heavy stuf keep calm.

BTW Big Bamboo has change location still near the old place.[/QUOTE]Wow, people don't know their history. 30 years ago. June 4th 1989. Look it up.

Big Bamboo on Nanyang Lu has not changed location. It has changed name. Now called Blind Pig and food quality is only a shadow of what it was.

Crowds are way down. Nowhere near the number of customers as when Big Bamboo. Crowds are voting with their feet.

The Spot has relocated to right next door to Judy's. It is same ownership as Judy's so it makes a lot of sense to be side by side. Food quality still only so so.

Girl supply currently in Judy's is far superior to Manhattan both in quality and quantity. But the girls are very gun shy at both places. Several expressing reservation at entering both.

Still so easy to call in a swoop up the one that takes your fancy. They are very keen to get out the door as soon as they can.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2322003]

Girl supply currently in Judy's is far superior to Manhattan both in quality and quantity. But the girls are very gun shy at both places. Several expressing reservation at entering both.
.[/QUOTE]I said that on my last visit and everyone told me I was wrong. The winds have swung between Judy's and M's and will swing back.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2322003]Big Bamboo on Nanyang Lu has not changed location. It has changed name. Now called Blind Pig and food quality is only a shadow of what it was.

Crowds are way down. Nowhere near the number of customers as when Big Bamboo. Crowds are voting with their feet.

The Spot has relocated to right next door to Judy's. It is same ownership as Judy's so it makes a lot of sense to be side by side. Food quality still only so so.

Girl supply currently in Judy's is far superior to Manhattan both in quality and quantity. But the girls are very gun shy at both places. Several expressing reservation at entering both.

Still so easy to call in a swoop up the one that takes your fancy. They are very keen to get out the door as soon as they can.[/QUOTE]Big Bamboo has rename yes with same owner but there is a new place named Big Bamboo nearby, this is what I was told yesterday by the staff at the Blind Pig just search on Facebook, its about 8 min walk from Swissotel.

Thanks me later.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2321912]Wow, people don't know their history. 30 years ago. June 4th 1989. Look it up.[/QUOTE]Sir with all respect, first of all its not the first thought to google what happened 1989 in China. But if so what has the massacre to do with this?

Anyhow instead of talk in riddles I will throw some light on this. I have been in Shanghai, Suzhou and Jiangyin this week and its the same the police patroling the street doing drug test, check prositution. In my hotel there was a note that "friends" that shall visit the room need to registrate their ID.

But all I ask don't know why it happens.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2320819]You must obviously be a foreigner, otherwise they wouldn't recommend the lymph massage. [/QUOTE]Or look desperate.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2320819]I've been there a bunch. You must obviously be a foreigner, otherwise they wouldn't recommend the lymph massage. They also expect a 200 tip, but you're allowed to roam. I've handle those massive jugs. It's fun. And they know how to give a hand job by working the prostrate. I've had explosive releases there. But again, the providers are old and fat. But for me, that's okay sometimes, as variety is the spice to life. Final FYI, if they say no to a shower and if you're not on the second floor, then there's no happy ending. Usually, they only offer happy ending in the room next to the shower.[/QUOTE]They expect 200 tip? That explains why she wasn't so happy.

But in this case (460 total for a HJ from a older provider) it seems like a quite a bad deal compared to spring where you get the same from much younger & better looking girls for only 398 (or 498 for naked).

It's clear current weather is gale force level.

In the past few years the inclement weather could be attributed to a major event in the city, Honey loving bear visit or other clear big thing, what is it currently?

My apartment Wechat contacts seem to be undeterred announcing daily classes from morning to night.

[QUOTE=MiSe;2322305]Or look desperate.

They expect 200 tip? That explains why she wasn't so happy.

But in this case (460 total for a HJ from a older provider) it seems like a quite a bad deal compared to spring where you get the same from much younger & better looking girls for only 398 (or 498 for naked).[/QUOTE]I agree. I would never take a subway or car to this place. Not worth the time or effort. I only go there if I happen to be in the neighborhood and have nothing better to do.

Hey!

In Shanghai for the weekend. Checked our MR. Contacted some girls on wechat. Quick responses. General quite seems to be 2000 for an hour. Is this normal or I need to negotiate?

Also I have RTFF. Plan on hitting the usual spots in any case. But not sure what the situation will be with weather and increased police checking. Suggestions welcome. My inbox is open. Or if you want to meet up for a drink I can use the company!

[QUOTE=Tyb60;2322431]It's clear current weather is gale force level.
In the past few years the inclement weather could be attributed to a major event in the city, Honey loving bear visit or other clear big thing, what is it currently?[/QUOTE]I don't know if this is related but there's a large amount of paranoia in China now because of the 30 year anniversary of Tien An Men, June 4.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiLander;2322719]I don't know if this is related but there's a large amount of paranoia in China now because of the 30 year anniversary of Tien An Men, June 4.[/QUOTE]Massive operations around Shanghai, Suzhou, Jiaxiang and other surrounding cities. There are even clips of police officials holding meetings pertaining to the entertainment sector that includes massage, spas, KTV, mahjong parlors, etc. There was even one that was about massages are only to be given by the same gender or risk being shut.

However, there are still places open but I wouldn't risk it. There are also those that are in apartments. Those seem to be a more viable option if you really have an itch. I would still advise against it.

Stay safe all.

K.

Is it possible to find a KTV girl without spending 20.000 in a KTV joint?

Was at M and J last night, completely empty. Not sure where to turn for some good looking China girl.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=PrometheusAxe;2322712]Hey!

In Shanghai for the weekend. Checked our MR. Contacted some girls on wechat. Quick responses. General quite seems to be 2000 for an hour. Is this normal or I need to negotiate?

Also I have RTFF. Plan on hitting the usual spots in any case. But not sure what the situation will be with weather and increased police checking. Suggestions welcome. My inbox is open. Or if you want to meet up for a drink I can use the company![/QUOTE]What is MR?

What's my best option to find a reliable independent source?

Hi everyone,

This is for sure bad weather but small brother asked me to brave difficulties! So I went to MP on jianshan road my regular one on Friday. It is a 278 rmb for session with he. This time I walked in and the guy placed LE in a room à usual. Hi surprise faucet and sliding door of the shower removed. The first girl coming was a 40 years old girl, I refused and second one was a 28 acceptable. This was the first time I was proposed at first an ugly one! I ask the girl why no shower she say now just 3 shower and I can go the shower but need to step outside the room. I refused and installed myself on the table. She asked me to put the cotton pair of shirt and keep it at middle leg. She said a lot of control now and it is quicker to move up and show a regular massage.

So for after normal service with HJ. But I would say a bit stressful.

Any other experience of that kind?

Hi!

I just reported in my previous post my last experience in MP. So not so shufu!

After I went in the bund at about 9.00 and was accosted at least 4 times!

One was a pretty girl of about 28-30, I was sitter on a bench and she started discussion in a perfect English.

She asked me many questions like if I am here alone etc. I said I have a dinner with friend and it stopped here. I didn't insisted.

She sure it could go further easily.

Second were 2 young girl looks like students. I would say 20. They stopped me and asked where I am going. Same reply from me à it stopped discussion.

After two beaters proposing massage with happy ending at 300 or a girl between 500 for the cheapest to 2000 for the best. These last manager as she qualified herself was on Nanjing road. But actually she was nice and even if I didn't accepted this time she appears trustworthy.

My question is simple, is anybody has good or bad experience there, are they all the same or can I just find a young girl expecting having a good moment with a foreigner against money of course (that point is clear). !? Or is it absolutely to avoid for every of these 4 kind of contacts in one evening?

[QUOTE=Keric333;2323037]Massive operations around Shanghai, Suzhou, Jiaxiang and other surrounding cities. There are even clips of police officials holding meetings pertaining to the entertainment sector that includes massage, spas, KTV, mahjong parlors, etc. There was even one that was about massages are only to be given by the same gender or risk being shut.

However, there are still places open but I wouldn't risk it. There are also those that are in apartments. Those seem to be a more viable option if you really have an itch. I would still advise against it.

Stay safe all.

K.[/QUOTE]When I said paranoia I was not talking about contributors here but about the Chinese authorities: there's always something that scares them. There's definitely more police, surveillance and censorship because of this 30 year anniversary. But yeah, I don't see how what you describe would be related. Any reference about these operations and meetings?

[QUOTE=PrometheusAxe;2322712]Hey!

In Shanghai for the weekend. Checked our MR. Contacted some girls on wechat. Quick responses. General quite seems to be 2000 for an hour. Is this normal or I need to negotiate?

Also I have RTFF. Plan on hitting the usual spots in any case. But not sure what the situation will be with weather and increased police checking. Suggestions welcome. My inbox is open. Or if you want to meet up for a drink I can use the company![/QUOTE]Never tried incall. You might find better deals at Judy's or Manhattan and spend half of that for a good quality. And you see her before going back in hotel.

Enjoy!

I have been here 2 days already. I cannot claim I know how it works here. I just report what I have seen in 2 days. No statistical significance of one single sample, but I would be happy if senior experts of the place could tell me that Shanghai is different, that I am wrong, that I made mistakes, or that I have been simply unlucky.

MANHATTAN & JUDY'S
Saturday night 1 am: Manhattan and Judy's nearly empty, only several foreign men sipping beers and:
- 3 lonely girls looking well seasoned, a couple, a group of local Chinese having fun with friends in Manhattan,
- 1 lady ultra seasoned chatting with a couple of men in Judy's.
Outside, some black women, 2 Chinese looking badly affected by plastic surgery, who requested me 3000 (THREE THOUSAND) to come to my hotel for massage.
Desolation. Is this the place reported here so many times as "best option in Shanghai for foreigners"?

OTHER LADY'S BARS
I took a rikshaw to go to Portman hotel to save me the last 30 minutes of walking. He hijacked me to take me to some "lady's bar" at south on a road perpendicular to NAnjing Rd. All empy. Some Chinese ladies around 30 sitting outside.

PESTERING PEOPLE
Plenty. Walking on Nanjng Rd. means to be stopped by no less than 4-5 women offering openly in front of everyone services of girls "to your room" for 800, down to 600. All show more or less the same set of photos on the cell phone. I guess they work for the same group.
Photos look good. Young pretty girls. But on cell phones ANY ASIAN GIRL HAS THE SAME FACE after some automatic photo editing, which makes faces longer, eyes wider, etc
Anyone tried to accept the offer of these street touts? Are those ladies decently performing and looking, if anyone tried to call them to the room?
In addition to this, all rikshaw drivers wanted to call me from distance offering ladies-massage-sex.

PESTERING WOMEN 2.
That is not enough. In the area between Portman and People's Park, whiile I was walking 4 old ladies approached me in the street offering me sex in the park (after I replied I had no hotel nearby) for prices ranging from 300 to 100.
While it was tempting for me (long-time pervert of any kind anywhere in the world) to get a BJ behind a bush in the darkness of a public garden, this time in Shanghai, and for 100 when people pays 1500 or 2000 for women found in Manhattan bar, I rejected the offers. Yes, I am cautious at times.
How is getting a BJ in a public park at night in Shanghai?

LADIES LOITERING AT HOTEL

Surprisingly for me, the only decent ladies I met were right outside my hotel in the commercial area Pudong near the big skyscrapers.

One very attractive for me, at 3am of Saturday requested 2000 to begin, then no less than 1500, then ok 1000 but with tip. I was thinking to accept, but I found she was adamantine in refusing BJ uncovered. I guess it is the norm here, while PRC girls in KL and Singapore have BBJ as SOP?

Today I found a couple more, sitting inside the hotel, looking around scared to be caught by security, sitting pretending to be regular hotel guests.
One was not a model, but looked good and honest, and asked only 1000. I could not accept because too busy with work to finish.

I understand all the above must sound very naif and primitive to the ears of senior local experts. I wish I could access a KTV or sauna, but I have no idea where they are.
I cannot wait to read laughing comments about my naif report. Please point out what is wrong and help me to improve! I still have some days to stay here.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2323730]I have been here 2 days already. I cannot claim I know how it works here. I just report what I have seen in 2 days. No statistical significance of one single sample, but I would be happy if senior experts of the place could tell me that Shanghai is different, that I am wrong, that I made mistakes, or that I have been simply unlucky..[/QUOTE]I enjoyed your report. Brought back memories of a 2013 walk between the Hilton and Manhattan during Grand Prix weekend. I think I got propositioned and or groped at least twice per block. I was lucky in the end though, met a nice Chinese lady at Manhattan who gave great service.

Good luck and be careful, Shanghai is full of scams.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2323730]I have been here 2 days already. I cannot claim I know how it works here. I just report what I have seen in 2 days. No statistical significance of one single sample, but I would be happy if senior experts of the place could tell me that Shanghai is different, that I am wrong, that I made mistakes, or that I have been simply unlucky.

MANHATTAN & JUDY'S
Saturday night 1 am: Manhattan and Judy's nearly empty, only several foreign men sipping beers and:
- 3 lonely girls looking well seasoned, a couple, a group of local Chinese having fun with friends in Manhattan,
- 1 lady ultra seasoned chatting with a couple of men in Judy's.
Outside, some black women, 2 chinese looking badly affected by plastic surgery, who requested me 3000 (THREE THOUSAND) to come to my hotel for massage.
Desolation. Is this the place reported here so many times as "best option in Shanghai for foreigners"?

OTHER LADY'S BARS
I took a rikshaw to go to Portman hotel to save me the last 30 minutes of walking. He hijacked me to take me to some "lady's bar" at south on a road perpendicular to NAnjing Rd. All empy. Some Chinesed ladyes around 30 sitting outside.

PESTERING PEOPLE
Plenty. Walking on Nanjng Rd. means to be stopped by no less than 4-5 women offering openly in front of everyone services of girls "to your room" for 800, down to 600. All show more or less the same set of photos on the cell phone. I guess they work for the same group.
Photos look good. Young pretty girls. But on cell phones ANY ASIAN GIRL HAS THE SAME FACE after some automatic photo editing, which makes faces longer, eyes wider, etc
Anyone tried to accept the offer of these street touts? Are those ladies decently performing and looking, if anyone tried to call them to the room?
In addition to this, all rikshaw drivers wanted to call me from distance offering ladies-massage-sex.

PESTERING WOMEN 2.
That is not enough. In the area between Portman and People's Park, whiile I was walking 4 old ladies approached me in the street offering me sex in the park (after I replied I had no hotel nearby) for prices ranging from 300 to 100.
While it was tempting for me (long-time pervert of any kind anywhere in the world) to get a BJ behind a bush in the darkness of a public garden, this time in Shanghai, and for 100 when people pays 1500 or 2000 for women found in Manhattan bar, I rejected the offers. Yes, I am cautious at times.
How is getting a BJ in a public park at night in Shanghai?

LADIES LOITERING AT HOTEL

Surprisingly for me, the only decent ladies I met were right outside my hotel in the commercial area Pudong near the big skyscrapers.

One very attractive for me, at 3am of Saturday requested 2000 to begin, then no less than 1500, then ok 1000 but with tip. I was thinking to accept, but I found she was adamantine in refusing BJ uncovered. I guess it is the norm here, while PRC girls in KL and Singapore have BBJ as SOP?

Today I found a couple more, sitting inside the hotel, looking around scared to be caught by security, sitting pretending to be regular hotel guests.
One was not a model, but looked good and honest, and asked only 1000. I could not accept because too busy with work to finish.

I understand all the above must sound very naif and primitive to the ears of senior local experts. I wish I could access a KTV or sauna, but I have no idea where they are.
I cannot wait to read laughing comments about my naif report. Please point out what is wrong and help me to improve! I still have some days to stay here.[/QUOTE]Well, there have been lots of reports of "bad weather" recently (aka LE crackdowns) so I would expect everywhere to be light. When I rave about Manhattan (one of my faves) I always go in prime time 10:30 or so. I always find it packed with hotties. I don't know about later but heard the good ones are snapped up by then. Sorry you are having trouble. Try earlier at Manhattann. Because other than M and J Shanghai is a pussy wasteland for a foreigner.

Shanghai is no longer worth the time or money. I have more fun in Beijing. Even other cities are having too much 'bad weather'.

Scored in Hangzhou, but too much effort. The LE can take their morality and stick it.

What will they do to Hong Kong in a few years?

P chop.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2323730]
PESTERING PEOPLE
Plenty. Walking on Nanjng Rd. means to be stopped by no less than 4-5 women offering openly in front of everyone services of girls "to your room" for 800, down to 600. All show more or less the same set of photos on the cell phone. I guess they work for the same group.
Photos look good. Young pretty girls. But on cell phones ANY ASIAN GIRL HAS THE SAME FACE after some automatic photo editing, which makes faces longer, eyes wider, etc
Anyone tried to accept the offer of these street touts? Are those ladies decently performing and looking, if anyone tried to call them to the room?
In addition to this, all rikshaw drivers wanted to call me from distance offering ladies-massage-sex.

PESTERING WOMEN 2.
That is not enough. In the area between Portman and People's Park, whiile I was walking 4 old ladies approached me in the street offering me sex in the park (after I replied I had no hotel nearby) for prices ranging from 300 to 100.
While it was tempting for me (long-time pervert of any kind anywhere in the world) to get a BJ behind a bush in the darkness of a public garden, this time in Shanghai, and for 100 when people pays 1500 or 2000 for women found in Manhattan bar, I rejected the offers. Yes, I am cautious at times.
How is getting a BJ in a public park at night in Shanghai?

LADIES LOITERING AT HOTEL

Surprisingly for me, the only decent ladies I met were right outside my hotel in the commercial area Pudong near the big skyscrapers.

One very attractive for me, at 3am of Saturday requested 2000 to begin, then no less than 1500, then ok 1000 but with tip. I was thinking to accept, but I found she was adamantine in refusing BJ uncovered. I guess it is the norm here, while PRC girls in KL and Singapore have BBJ as SOP?

Today I found a couple more, sitting inside the hotel, looking around scared to be caught by security, sitting pretending to be regular hotel guests.
One was not a model, but looked good and honest, and asked only 1000. I could not accept because too busy with work to finish.

I understand all the above must sound very naif and primitive to the ears of senior local experts. I wish I could access a KTV or sauna, but I have no idea where they are.
I cannot wait to read laughing comments about my naif report. Please point out what is wrong and help me to improve! I still have some days to stay here.[/QUOTE]I've tried pesterers and loiterers a few times, and the vast majority of the time it's a total waste. They have zero incentive to do a good job because they know or think your traveling through and not a potential repeat customer. And they don't care about their reputation since they don't work for an agency and you have no one to complain to. They will upsell you in the room, and they will rush. They will rush big time. BTW, if they insist on going to a bar or to their place, then it's a scam 99% of the time.

[QUOTE=Strephane58;2323510]Hi!

My question is simple, is anybody has good or bad experience there, are they all the same or can I just find a young girl expecting having a good moment with a foreigner against money of course (that point is clear). !? Or is it absolutely to avoid for every of these 4 kind of contacts in one evening?[/QUOTE]See my response to Black Page below.

Black Page,

M and J's are usually better at 130 than you say they are now. I believe what you are saying. I can verify 130-3:00 am usually are filled with the girls coming back through for a second customer. If you are down to 3-4 options, that is not what I have ever seen there. Granted, I usually go Friday and Saturday night. If you were there on a Monday or Tuesday it would be lighter. Sunday can also be hit and miss but stilll better than what you are talking about.

If you have time, hit M / J's between 1030 and midnite as steve stated. With the bad weather, it may not be any better however.

SAM.

Usually MPs is my go to place to find girls. But I've read through a few pages and it seems like there is no possible way to get a good sex in shanghai. I don't speak any Chinese. I can't have incall I came here with my family. Wish someone can help me with this conundrum. Thanks.

Hi guys,

Bad news, both Judy's and Manhattan seem to be closed (at last tonight at 22:30). Sitting in „The Spot", but no WG in sight. Any suggestion for action nowadays, or crackdown to hard, all talent left the City? And no, I m no friend of MP, want take-away with a Choice it at least a look at the Lady before.

I can report that both M and J are shut down. Was there today and J reported that its closed for a month due to "renovation" and M had its gates closed. Shanghai is completely dead now.

Given the current weather in Shanghai, is it safer to simply go to in-house spas or saunas in those 4 or 5 star hotels? I assume full service is available at those places.

Plenty options in bars still available. Vue at Hyatt on the Bund, Nest on Beijing Lu, Mint, Bar Rouge, get out and about.

TanTan, Tinder. Hell even WeChat People Nearby. Sometimes you just got to do a bit of work.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2325734]Plenty options in bars still available. Vue at Hyatt on the Bund, Nest on Beijing Lu, Mint, Bar Rouge, get out and about.

TanTan, Tinder. Hell even WeChat People Nearby. Sometimes you just got to do a bit of work.[/QUOTE]I agree, but for someone that is just traveling through, mongering in China is not as easy as it used to be. When I first moved to China 8 years ago, there were BBBs everywhere, at many MPs everything was available, and saunas operated in the open. Now there are no BBSs, MPs mostly only offer handjobs, and saunas operate discreetly. So, China today is definitely not a sex tourism destination. But if one knows China well, then one can figure out ways to monger. For me, my primary MO is that I collect WeChat contacts of MP gals and later text them to try to meet at their homes, and my success rate is about 30 percent. But for someone just traveling through, this method to get laid just takes too much effort and time. But that said, would I rather live in Midwestern USA or Shanghai if getting laid is important to me? Obviously Shanghai.

[QUOTE=Fun2016;2325462]Given the current weather in Shanghai, is it safer to simply go to in-house spas or saunas in those 4 or 5 star hotels? I assume full service is available at those places.[/QUOTE]It's actually better to order room service from the in-house spa than to go to the in-house spa. When you call them, they somehow will know if you're staying at the hotel alone or with family. Sometimes, they just ask me if I'm alone. Once they know you're alone, they'll send up a gal that is willing to offer FS. BUT,.

(1) Be prepared to pay for it. Usually, they will not settle for something less than 2000 tip. One girl started negotiations at 8000 LOL. So, including the massage fee, we are talking about 2500.

(2) They are usually a 3. Or someone whose best days are behind them. Of course you can decline, but how often do we really do that?

(3) They will ask how many days you're staying. So say you're staying for at least 2 weeks. Otherwise they will rush and / or give you poor service. Hell, they might do that anyway since you're likely a one-off.

(4) They often try to upsell you. Maybe you settle on 2000, and then you ask for a BJ and she'll say that's 500 extra.

(5) They are big-time clock watchers. The session starts once she's in the room, so don't waste time with the massage. Just start the negotiations right away. She will leave exactly on time, probably because her manager is monitoring the clock.

(6) Finally, this option exists primarily at Chinese hotels. It rarely exists or doesn't exist at a Marriott or similar, for example. At Western hotels, maybe a handjob is available at best, but again at a ridiculous tip.

Two parting comments. First, you might think it isn't worth it, but these girls are at your door within minutes of you calling. So it's super convenient. Second, I'm always surprised when no one writes reports on their room service experiences. I usually do. I've gotten laid every time I tried room service from within a Chinese hotel and wrote a report. So, please report. That would be your way of thanking me for my taking the time to write this.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2325750]It's actually better to order room service from the in-house spa than to go to the in-house spa. When you call them, they somehow will know if you're staying at the hotel alone or with family. Sometimes, they just ask me if I'm alone. Once they know you're alone, they'll send up a gal that is willing to offer FS. BUT,.

(1) Be prepared to pay for it. Usually, they will not settle for something less than 2000 tip. One girl started negotiations at 8000 LOL. So, including the massage fee, we are talking about 2500.

(2) They are usually a 3. Or someone whose best days are behind them. Of course you can decline, but how often do we really do that?

(3) They will ask how many days you're staying. So say you're staying for at least 2 weeks. Otherwise they will rush and / or give you poor service. Hell, they might do that anyway since you're likely a one-off.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the details! I will be sure to write a review if I am able to have actions.

I am Chinese, fluent in Mandarin, but moved to USA long time ago, and believe it or not, actually never mongered in China. I will only be in Shanghai for one night.

So if I order in-house spa girl to my room, does this show up on final hotel receipt? I hope not, as it may look suspicious when I do my travel reimbursement, LOL.

A quick internet check revealed a spa at Ramada inn 10 minutes from Pudong Airport. Also a "Trip Advisor" report to avoid it because the staff was pushing him to go for "beautiful girls". Also Monica spa does outcall in Puxi. They declare "no breast push" but for 1600 a body slide is offered. 600 is the starting point.

[QUOTE=Fun2016;2325759]Thanks for the details! I will be sure to write a review if I am able to have actions.

I am Chinese, fluent in Mandarin, but moved to USA long time ago, and believe it or not, actually never mongered in China. I will only be in Shanghai for one night.

So if I order in-house spa girl to my room, does this show up on final hotel receipt? I hope not, as it may look suspicious when I do my travel reimbursement, LOL.[/QUOTE]It's a cash transaction. And the spa and hotel are separate businesses, so don't worry about it showing up on your final hotel bill.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2325835]It's a cash transaction. And the spa and hotel are separate businesses, so don't worry about it showing up on your final hotel bill.[/QUOTE]That's great it does not show up on final hotel bill Considering that I only have one night in Shanghai and both J and M seem to be closed for now, I will probably just go with in-house spa, if my hotel has one (I think so).

Any specific reason ordering room service is better than going down to in-house spa? At least we get to see the lineup when going to in-house spa, right?

I continuously figure out all alternative new ways to monger, but hell here is a nightmare.

Girls at lobby of my hotel at Pudong nighttime ask 1500 or 2000, and if at least I could be assured I get a decent service....
BUT NO.
HELL they upsell in room, want money first, offer HJ for all that money, etc.
A friend paid 1000 and got HJ.
I took one of them, and I kicked her out of my room as soon as she started to play silly and ask money first, without even taking off a piece of clothes. A leech.
I got a DECENT experience from ONE, for 1000 including tip, and it was just decent.

I receive a lot of proposals from agents in Nanjing Road at night. They pester me offering nice ladies massase sexs for 800 600 500 even 200.
I did not take any, as I suspect the risk of scam and annoyance in room is too high. Should I try?

Massage places near Nanjing? One was excellent, but it was 500 from the menu plus 300 tip for HJ. Achieved because I promised to call her next day to my hotel. Of course I did not, because she said she does not give FS neither BJ.

All this while I am continuously titillated by all those girls in miniskirt that walk around me every second everywhere without even giving me a look.

[QUOTE=Fun2016;2325869]That's great it does not show up on final hotel bill Considering that I only have one night in Shanghai and both J and M seem to be closed for now, I will probably just go with in-house spa, if my hotel has one (I think so).

Any specific reason ordering room service is better than going down to in-house spa? At least we get to see the lineup when going to in-house spa, right?[/QUOTE]Recently, line-ups at spas are rare these days. I still see them on the rare occasion, but again, very rarely. And I'the be surprised if a hotel spa will have a line-up. Management likely is going to pretend they are a legit spa just for show, especially during the current crackdown. And, in the massage rooms, the girl may be afraid of being caught offering more than a hand job, and if she is willing to offer more, then it'll be with her clothes half on and probably only mish and will try to rush you. In your room, she'll be a lot more comfortable. But again, don't expect a great GFE session with a girl 8. It'll likely be with a mid-thirties 3, and cost a ton. It is what it is. You're paying for the convenience.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2326075]
I receive a lot of proposals from agents in Nanjing Road at night. They pester me offering nice ladies massase sexs for 800 600 500 even 200.
I did not take any, as I suspect the risk of scam and annoyance in room is too high. Should I try?

Massage places near Nanjing? One was excellent, but it was 500 from the menu plus 300 tip for HJ.

[/QUOTE]The best you will get on Nanjing Lu is a poor massage at the top price plus more. It is even more likely that you will be taken somewhere by even a cute girl and given a short lousy massage and then bullied or beat up for $5000 USD for room rent. (Clip joint style).

Do not ever go anywhere with a tout you meet on the street. Why do you think they are on the street. It is not because they like you. Even taking Nanjing Lu girls to your hotel is asking to get robbed while you take a leak or have thugs knock on your door. The lower the price the more likely they are a gang of thugs.

A legit massage place should charge 300 to 350. Otherwise it is just another Nanjing Lu tourist rip off. Read the forum.

In past few days, two different girls sent me a WeChat text saying they are going home and may never return. They both work at MPs that have both a spa menu and a massage menu. Extras were available from the spa gals, but now both places only offering the massage menu. One place is Shanana, and other is Fuquan. Both are pretty upscale chains. In addition, the gals that I know from various Spring / Yu MPs also told me they have no idea when they will return. Even if you know of MP places still offering extras, I would stay away for now.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2327018]In past few days, two different girls sent me a WeChat text saying they are going home and may never return. They both work at MPs that have both a spa menu and a massage menu. Extras were available from the spa gals, but now both places only offering the massage menu. One place is Shanana, and other is Fuquan. Both are pretty upscale chains. In addition, the gals that I know from various Spring / Yu MPs also told me they have no idea when they will return. Even if you know of MP places still offering extras, I would stay away for now.[/QUOTE]From what I was told the current campaign is launched to stop the blackmailing of girls through loans with high interest forcing them to do things in exchange. And at the same time they are investigating the accounting of all leisure companies no matter what service they provide to find possible illegal activities from money lundering, shadow banking, etc.

Another source told me the current trade war between US / China has increased the tensions inside the party and a good way to keep people in line is to turn off the tap of cash from yellow & black activities (sex trade, shadow banking, etc.).

Therefore it may stop in July just like it may continue for quite some time, nobody knows. A legit huge high end spa I know of is closed till June 25th in their Shanghai, Jiangsu, Zhejiang locations but still open in Guangdong. Some places I know are still offering HJ / BJ services but wearing non sexy uniform and with showers being dismantled / semi walled (have to shower in a dedicated room) they sometimes get police control twice a day.

With the recent crackdown, I decided to try an indie. Went with Kim from NLO. Her sweet personality and great bod were a pleasant surprise. Her English is also great, so it was kind of weird to be able to have a convo with her, because 99% of the time the girl and I do not speak the same language, LOL.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2327167]From what I was told the current campaign is launched to stop the blackmailing of girls through loans with high interest forcing them to do things in exchange. And at the same time they are investigating the accounting of all leisure companies no matter what service they provide to find possible illegal activities from money lundering, shadow banking, etc.

Another source told me the current trade war between US / China has increased the tensions inside the party and a good way to keep people in line is to turn off the tap of cash from yellow & black activities (sex trade, shadow banking, etc.).

Therefore it may stop in July just like it may continue for quite some time, nobody knows. A legit huge high end spa I know of is closed till June 25th in their Shanghai, Jiangsu, Zhejiang locations but still open in Guangdong. Some places I know are still offering HJ / BJ services but wearing non sexy uniform and with showers being dismantled / semi walled (have to shower in a dedicated room) they sometimes get police control twice a day.[/QUOTE]I was hoping after June 4th everything was cooling down. Or worst after June 10th, end of holiday. Looks like we are going to have long waiting.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2326075]I continuously figure out all alternative new ways to monger, but hell here is a nightmare.[/QUOTE]Once understood that Shanghai for mongering is more difficult than Vatican City, I just wanted to relax and forget. Indeed, my last night in Shanghai was a different one, but not as I planned it to be.

For my last night, once finished my business in Pudong, I moved to a hotel near People's Park. I planned to go to a very good restaurant recommended me by the concierge of my first hotel.

It is about 10 minutes from People's Park, so I left my hotel around 20:30. That taxi driver I found was a total idiot. He took me from People's Park to my previous hotel in Pudong (30 minutes driving time) instead of taking me to the restaurant, because he saw the heading on top of the paper where the concierge wrote address and name of the restaurant (which was the main largest thing printed there). I shouted at him and he did not understand why, until the valet of the hotel explained him. Then, 40 more minutes to go the restaurant, which was just 10 minutes from the starting point.

I arrived there at 21.45, to find it lonely and with kitchen closed. The boys at restaurant did not speak a single word of English, but with Google Translate they could help me to find a place to eat. I asked a place open till late for crayfish. They also called a taxi for me.

The new place was in a very lively area full of places to eat, open till midnight or so. The place where I was recommended to go was the busiest. Very very good! A huge plate of crayfish for 158 or so.

I started to talk with a girl accompanied by another girl. I immediately understood they were a lesbian couple. First time I meet here someone so friendly who wants to talk to me in Shanghai.

I offered to buy my second plate if they wanted to share. Her odd reply (odd for me European, but natural for a Chinese) was "hmmm ok but what do you mean with "share"? Share the plate or also the bill?" Of course, I would never invite anyone to eat something with me, if I am not keen to pay the bill.

After one hour talking and eating, I asked them to join me for fun in bars. So off we went. They proposed to take me to "Found 158", which I discovered is a very trendy area with many western-style bars. We had a lot of fun in a latin bar with latin music. 60% western and 40% chinese. I was mouth-watering for the crowd of sexy chinese (even blond) girls on high heels. Mouth-watering, but not regretting I was with the two, because I knew the sexy Chinese were out of my reach (next time I should drive there with a Lamborghini, and my experience would be probably different).

We did not no anything besides holding hands and dancing keeping the feminine of the two in the middle, but however what else I could do in Shanghai? We left the bar at 2:45.

This was my only night of fun in a week of work and business here. Shit!

At night, there are from 3 to 7 ladies loitering in the lobby or outside entrance area of the 5-start hotel in Pudong where I stayed for one week. I have some empirical samples to share. Based on that, my recommendation to anyone new is: AVOID.

1) A friend of mine, an old man but still somehow naive, took one of them to his room. 1000Y to get just a HJ, in spite of much more promised. I guess he was even lucky to not be cheated more or stolen.

2) The first night, I started to chat with one of them. Pretty and very talkative. Her price is 2000Y, which "just for me" could be lowered to 1500 Y, but for CBJ and CFS. NO WAY she could do a BJ uncovered, for any price. I passed.

3) Another night, I took one to my room. Negotiated price was 800Y for BBJ and covered FS. She looked nice and talkative. Once in the room, she started to play silly, ask all money first, saying bullshit, saying that she cannot BBJ, etc.
I took less than 10 minutes to kick her out from my room. To lubricate her feet towards the door, I put 100Y in her hands, but hell she asked 200! So I simply took her bag and pulled her arm out of the room, and closed the door on her face.

4) Another night, I noticed one who looked different from others. Well, the reason I noticed her was her nylon socks. You know the Chinese version of stockings. In Europe, they end at thigh. In China, they end at ankle. I cannot understand how a lady who plans to go to proposition business men in a 5-star hotel could wear those nylon short socks, but this is China. We exchanged Wechat IDs and I left her (too many colleagues attending my same event going around in lobby even at late hours).

We had some 2 days of conversation on Wechat, by means of the Wechat translator (imagine the depth of conversation). This made me think she looked somehow reliable, so a night I told her to wait me outside the hotel, I gave her my card, and I waited her in my room.

She came up accompanied by a third girl, who was with her in the garden. I simply said "Hello," and "bye" to the two, respectively, and I closed the door on the face of the unwanted second guest.

Then, we started an extenuating negotiation about money first or after. She looked sincerely worried I could not pay her. At the end, I took my 800, put them in the drawer, then told her to start massage or leave.

I skip details, but after some stressful pull-and-push I got progressively: a nice 1-hour massage, her completely naked one piece after the other, her giving me BBBJ (even good one!). At the end, and after promising to top up to 1000, I even put half of my dick for a while inside her. The interesting thing was that she seemed react as "electrified" whenever I could touch her clit, like a Galvani's frog.

This girl is the only I had in my bed in one week in Shanghai, and I do not regret it. Expensive 30yo, but cheap and good considered the environment.
My understanding is that this girl was the only honest one I could meet at hotel lobby, probably new to the city from the country.
I chatted with her many times during the week, but she never came back to the hotel at night.

There is a small area south of Nanjing Rd where there are a few massage places, clearly oriented to the tourists. Hungry as a beast I tried 3 of them on different nights or days.

1) Place 1.
Girls are dressed with long black pants and white shirt. I chose the most expensive massage from the menu: 498 for 1. 5 h and oil. The place looks somehow "upscale", the room was nice, with shower to refresh me before and after. The girl very nice and even pretty. Massage well done!
After 1 hour, the hint if I wanted something more. Requested 500 more, but I said I wanted only massage, and however I had no money. At the end, some 300 tip yielded the happy ending and some roaming inside the shirt. All this achieved because I promised to call her next day to my hotel. Of course I did not, because she said she does not give FS neither BJ. However, the perspective to milk some more money in the future makes miracles in these girls.

2) Place 2.
Another night, I went to another right next to place 1. This place looked upscale too, and very professional. I noticed a group of Chinese young guys entering it the night before, so I decided to try. Indeed, the place is professional. I got an EXCELLENT Chinese massage, but from a BOY. No way I could find a way to complain, although horrified, once I saw the boy entering the room. I enjoyed the massage, professionally given, and that was all. 298 for 1 hour.

3) Place 3.
My last day, 2 hours before heading to airport, I chose another place next to the previous two. This looked much lower style. The girl was older, with sexy short skirt. She offered HJ for 300 besides the plain 300 of the massage and even gave me her boobs to kiss. SCARED as hell that police could come and see her doing that. The experience was frankly bad, and I did that only because extremely horny after one week of poor life in Shanghai, but the girl was not a bad one.

I will report more about this girl and the other in my hotel from my previous post.

Thanks, Blackpage. I wish more people would write field reports. And sorry that you came to Shanghai during its current heavy crackdown.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2325734]Plenty options in bars still available. Vue at Hyatt on the Bund, Nest on Beijing Lu, Mint, Bar Rouge, get out and about.

TanTan, Tinder. Hell even WeChat People Nearby. Sometimes you just got to do a bit of work.[/QUOTE]Absolutely no reason why anybody wanting pussy in SH goes hungry. There is plenty availability via so many means. Nope it aint Pattaya or Angeles or Sing or HK or even Batam. But seek and ye shall find.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2327576]Absolutely no reason why anybody wanting pussy in SH goes hungry. There is plenty availability via so many means. Nope it aint Pattaya or Angeles or Sing or HK or even Batam. But seek and ye shall find.[/QUOTE]You seem the only with that opinion, among many senior posters of this thread.

[i]"Seek and ye shall find"[/i]?
Maybe you don't know who you are lecturing. I found girls to fuck even in Dhaka, Bangladesh, and Islamabad, Pakistan, besides a number of places where the average hobbyist would not be happy to travel. Yet, in Shanghai I sought and I did not find. Next time I will seek again, and I will do it better.

You seem to forget a detail. In none of the places you listed the scammer occurrence rate is so high. This limits the number of viable options down to nearly zero, if one is considerate. Sure, [i]"Absolutely no reason why anybody wanting pussy in SH goes hungry"[/i]: just accept proposals from the street and bars, right?

I tended to consider the risk of scam here on the same order as in some big city of the 3rd world, if it wasn't that I received a surprising high number of warnings from local people, who apparently wanted to save me even if we did not have a special relation with them. Maybe I looked good to their eyes, and wanted to save me from local gangsters.
Frankly, this is the first time that such a thing happens to me, and I traveled to many seedy places in Asia, Africa, South America.

[B]Warning from Girl 1[/B]

The girl that I met at my hotel lobby and that I took to my room (point 4 in report [URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=2327376&viewfull=1#post2327376]Empirical samples: ladies at hotel[/URL]) just one day I after we met, and without me asking her anything, wrote me on WeChat some messages that translated by WeChat verbatim say:
[I]"There is a guy who asks you to drink, do not go with them to the bar, you will kill yourself"[/I]
[I]"There's a lot of girls with men behind them, and they are fucking foreigners money"[/I]
[I]"Did someone ask you to go to a bar?"[/I]
[I]"Have you ever been stolen?" [/I]
[I]"You go to the bar, they're poisonous. You drink their wine, it'll cost you a fortune"[/I]
[I]"The guys told me to work with them, find the guests, take them to their bar, get a drink, share the money, but I cannot do it"[/I]

And later about the girls who loiter at the lobby of my 5-star hotel at Pudong (my question was: "do girls at hotel lobby steal?"):
[I]"Some of the girls at the pub, some of the girls were robbing the bar"[/I]
[I]"Other girls steal very badly"[/I]

I skipped my replies, which I gave her to stimulate her to write more and provide more information, and I did not correct the English as provided by Wechat's Microsoft Translator (poor them that they don't want to use Google services).

[B]Warning from Girl 2[/B]

The girl that gave me the massage the last hour before I went to the airport (point 3 in report [URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=2327384&viewfull=1#post2327384]Empirical samples: massage places near Nanjing Rd.[/URL]), again without me asking her anything about this, suddenly while she was finishing to massage my body, started to warn me about scammers.

Also she, as the other girl above, warned me to NEVER accept any invitation from street to take a girl or go to a bar. What hit me was her eyes, like if she was literally BEGGING me to not do that. She looked scared and worried for me.

I think this disease must be really spread out and well known, if a girl who just gives me massage with HJ, found by chance in a massage place, feels the need to save me from robbery! Who am I for her, after all, if not the n-th man to massage?

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2327738]I tended to consider the risk of scam here on the same order as in some big city of the 3rd world, if it wasn't that I received a surprising high number of warnings from local people, who apparently wanted to save me even if we did not have a special relation with them. Maybe I looked good to their eyes, and wanted to save me from local gangsters.
Frankly, this is the first time that such a thing happens to me, and I traveled to many seedy places in Asia, Africa, South America.[/QUOTE]I leave in Shanghai from almost five years and I have always heard about these scams, especially in touristic places like Nanjing road walking area or Xintiandi. Men or ladies asking you for "lady massage" are most probably scum. If it is a man I ask him to bring me the lady there to see her, if it is a girl I say her I want to take her to my room. Usually they leave me alone after that. A friend of my get caught and spend a lot of money (cannot remember how much. Something like 6000 yuan or the like). Luckily so far I found a lot of nice people here and until few months ago also a lot of fun. Hope that after this holiday things go back to normality otherwise I will ask to be moved somewhere else.

YES Shanghai continues to change. A far cry from the halcyon days of 20 years ago:

Of the days when there would be hundreds of eager girls lined up both side of Maoming Lu right beside and opposite original Judy's and Manhattan.

When those original bars were full of Chinese and Filipino girls.

When Hard Rock was going.

When JuLu Lu was full of touchy feely bars.

When Bourbon Street on Hangshan Lu was best gig in town. To the old BBBJ bar.

From when you could feel up model types all night long in Casablanca Bar.

To when Judy's and Manhattan moved to next location on TongRen Lu.

To the early days od Xin Tian Di when Luna and Brown Sugar had wall to wall African dolls.

To the next shift for Judy's and Manhattan to existing locations. In 20 years we have seen many changes. But one things stays the same and that is the abundance of P4P pussy in SH. There always has been and always will be plenty availability. You just need to develop a game plan to secure them or seek elsewhere.

FTR - In last 20 years I have had 8-10 visits to Shanghai annually - 4 trips so far this year - last visit May 5-12 - YES Judy's and Manhattan open where I cut 4 diff Viets from the herd - but also scored 2 African dolls from Vue in Hyatt - Filipino chick from Tinder - Chinese girl from Mint - Russian from Bar Rouge - you should never go hungry.

OMG. How did I ever leave out the Red Rope special at Shanghai Hotel? Probably the highlight of my visits to SH!

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2327170]With the recent crackdown, I decided to try an indie. Went with Kim from NLO. Her sweet personality and great bod were a pleasant surprise. Her English is also great, so it was kind of weird to be able to have a convo with her, because 99% of the time the girl and I do not speak the same language, LOL.[/QUOTE]Hi Midwestern,

I've been a long visitor, and only now registered, and ready to contribute. Not just because I thought it was about time but also give then current bad weather, I thought it would be better to join forces.

I was wondering what NLO stands for.

Thanks in advance!

Hi all,

I'm headed over the pond to Shanghai for the 1st time in maybe 5 years.

If I am reading right M&J are shut down!? Can anyone confirm this is still the case?

I loves it there the last time I was in town. With the weather bad I will post any updates when I arrive there Sunday.

I have spend the last two weekends in SH and for me it's Game over. I had no responses to Wechat not even from pimps. My favorite go to massage parlor is not only closed but completely gutted. A HJ place I would go to play with 2 or 3 girls at the same time is according to the owner under Police investigation. All they offer now are foot baths. She can't even send any Girls to the Hotel because they are to scared. Hotel is still Girl friendly I had two threesomes (average to bad) and one Girl FB stay over for 4 nights and she even joined me for breakfast. I had to use some old contacts to get action but I was not able to make new ones. Girls move around a lot so next time I might not have any. I can't see how this is connected to June 4th.

I read that Rain is in trouble due to recent storm in Shanghai.

Anybody knows the whereabouts of Rain. Or Rain's girls?

[QUOTE=Bobosan;2328182]Hi Midwestern,

I've been a long visitor, and only now registered, and ready to contribute. Not just because I thought it was about time but also give then current bad weather, I thought it would be better to join forces.

I was wondering what NLO stands for.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Did you register to:

(1) contribute to help others?

(2) help others because of bad weather?

(3) join forces to help others?

(4) know what NLO stands for to help yourself?

Probably (4). Anyway, NLO is nightlife (check out classifieds), the resurrection of SNG. Please put me in my place and prove me wrong about you by becoming a valuable contributing member.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2327942]YES Shanghai continues to change. A far cry from the halcyon days of 20 years ago:[/QUOTE]I do agree with you! That is the oldest job in the world and no one can stop it. Processes changes, but the delivery of service will be always there. Just have to understand or seek the new way of delivering.

Someone some posts back was mentioning to look into the "old qianhua site" but did not understand what he was referring to. Asked but did not get any answer.

[QUOTE=FredFerb;2328491]I read that Rain is in trouble due to recent storm in Shanghai.

Anybody knows the whereabouts of Rain. Or Rain's girls?[/QUOTE]Rain got caught by LE. 4-5 of her girls were arrested too. The others are laying low. Some went back to their hometown. I wouldn't contact Rain at all right now. I'm sure her WeChat and email are in the hands of LE.

Closed for 1 month for "repairment", that's what it says in the front door.

[QUOTE=JimmyJones2002;2328346]Hi all,

I'm headed over the pond to Shanghai for the 1st time in maybe 5 years.

If I am reading right M&J are shut down!? Can anyone confirm this is still the case?

I loves it there the last time I was in town. With the weather bad I will post any updates when I arrive there Sunday.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ovocru;2329091]Closed for 1 month for "repairment", that's what it says in the front door.[/QUOTE]That doesn't alway mean M's is coming back. It could be a clothing store or something. At least that's what I have seen.

Anyone know anything?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2328627]Did you register to:

(1) contribute to help others?

(2) help others because of bad weather?

(3) join forces to help others?

(4) know what NLO stands for to help yourself?

Probably (4). Anyway, NLO is nightlife (check out classifieds), the resurrection of SNG. Please put me in my place and prove me wrong about you by becoming a valuable contributing member.[/QUOTE]Hello to you as well, Midwestern, haha.

And thanks for the information.

Quite a heavy assumption and pressure to start with. I think my message was quite clear. Yet I don't think getting help from the forum should be incompatible with contributing. Is it not what the forum is for?

Anywyas, thanks again.

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Two days ago I checked the old spring msg in Madang Road. It was around 11.30 pm and once in the receptionist told me "sorry, no HE massage". To my question "will it will be available again soon?" answer was in about a month.

So, even if it is not a guarantee, there is still some hope.

In this current bad weather, the HJ oil massage place I normally frequent on Yuyuan Road (Jingan) seems to be closed.

Does anyone have any recommendations for an alternative? I've been trying random spas and not having much luck. All these massages are adding up in cost!

An even better alternative would be a recommendation for a lowish risk way to find someone willing to visit my room for said massage and HJ (preferably only partly clothed)?

I looked on aishxx and whilst it looked promising, it seemed a bit risky following instructions to a random address sent to me by a stranger on wechat.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2329962]Two days ago I checked the old spring msg in Madang Road. It was around 11.30 pm and once in the receptionist told me "sorry, no HE massage". To my question "will it will be available again soon?" answer was in about a month.

So, even if it is not a guarantee, there is still some hope.[/QUOTE]I talked to a good source today who mentioned that, many things have changed. Many massage places have closed down. Customers can no longer take showers. Room entrances cannot be covered. Only 7 min is allowed for a door to be covered so the customer can change. No one knows why. In the past this would happen when a big official would visit. It's maybe related to June 4th. The HJ place is now a foot bath place. This is a place not frequented normally by non Chinese. I would recon there is now a large population of CN males that are frustrated by this "situation" seems to be just the opposite of a government that wants to keep the population happy. Many workers are displaced with family at home. Will this drive them back home where they can be controlled better?

I went to five random spas today and they were all closed or said they weren't allowed to take male clients for 10 days due to 'government problem'.

My intel says that shops will start reopening on around June 20.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2326176]Recently, line-ups at spas are rare these days. I still see them on the rare occasion, but again, very rarely. And I'the be surprised if a hotel spa will have a line-up. Management likely is going to pretend they are a legit spa just for show, especially during the current crackdown. And, in the massage rooms, the girl may be afraid of being caught offering more than a hand job, and if she is willing to offer more, then it'll be with her clothes half on and probably only mish and will try to rush you..[/QUOTE]I ended up not playing in Shanghai during my one-night stay. I had dinner with some old friends until kind of late, and was no more in mood to call my hotel in-house spa for service. Also kind of to my surprise, when I was walking on Nanjing Road to the bund, nobody approached me with massage / girls / etc. Maybe I am Chinese, or maybe the weather is not good. Thanks for all your answers though!

[QUOTE=ChrisCSmith;2329973] I looked on aishxx and whilst it looked promising, it seemed a bit risky following instructions to a random address sent to me by a stranger on wechat.[/QUOTE]I have tried few of those numbers on aishxx for sauna like places and always were good place. Safety was OK. Good service and standard girls, good and not good looking. All choices. Prices respected as per wechat message.

Sincerely I never had safety problem in China, people always behaved nice. You respect them, they respect you. And if something happened I did not like, I just politely refused and left. No issues. The only advice I had always from friends and from the reports you can read on this thread, was to never, ever go with those who stops you in the touristic place and ask you if you want a "lady massage" or tea test. Those are scams.

I think police should shut down these organizations, not our beloved he massages places!

[QUOTE=SamCan;2329274]That doesn't alway mean M's is coming back. It could be a clothing store or something. At least that's what I have seen.

Anyone know anything?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be so worried about that. Many many places have had to close in May. Some more are closing this week (this week is related to a specific event as discussed below).

A manager from a big high end sauna & cigar lounge showed me the sms which she got asking her to close until June 25 or 26th I forgot.

Shanghai is under heavy inspection from the disciplinary commission or however its called and not just Shanghai. The high end sauna chain I'm talking about had to close in Zhejiang, Jiangsu aswell and was still opened in Shenzhen at the time but maybe that changed since then.

We'll know end June / begining of July if the wind cools down or if we are in for another cycle. Its likely the current tension with the US is not helping since it creates tension within the party.

I would love to have read the post of Black Page which Admin deleted. Anybody get to read it?

I don't always see 100% eye to eye with Black Page but he is a very experienced monger with great knowledge of many areas to share. I wish I had been on the ground in SH when he was there recently as I know I could have assisted his search. Maybe next time.

YES I have no doubt my 2 favourite bars in Nanyang Lu / TongRen Lu area will re-open in a bit. It's an interesting period we are going through.

Couple more places visitors might like to hit up. Windows Garage on Nanjing Lu late nights late week usually has wall to wall Africans. Nest on Beijing Lu has a good cross section Chines / Internationals almost every night from 11 pm on. If they are sitting at the bar it's a great indication they yearn for male company.

Get out there and attack guys. There is a never ending supply. Just go cut one from the herd.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2330682]I would love to have read the post of Black Page which Admin deleted. Anybody get to read it?

I don't always see 100% eye to eye with Black Page but he is a very experienced monger with great knowledge of many areas to share. I wish I had been on the ground in SH when he was there recently as I know I could have assisted his search. Maybe next time.[/QUOTE]BBB, I sent you a PM. And I agree about Black Page. I know him from his posts in the Batam thread. Batam is not an easy place to monger, and so if he can do it, then he's someone worth listening to.

[QUOTE=MiSe;2320474]Last week I tried the MP on 1565 Huashan Lu as some others seem to be veggie only at the moment.

When I walked in the receptionist directly recommended the "lymp massage" for 258 RMB which was advertised on the counter. After double-confirming ("is this a special massage" - "yes it is") I was sent to the room and asked if I would like to take a shower first (on the floor). After 10 minutes or so, a mid-/ end-30 (6/10) showed up and started the usual routine (back massage for about 20 minutes, then big focus on the lower region), Flip, HJ). After that again shower on the room.

After the flip, she asked for a tip before she started the HJ, but we didn't talk about any amount. Gave her in the end 100 and was a bit surprised that she seemed to be not satisfied.

Overall average girl but good massage, good HJ, total damage 358 RMB.[/QUOTE]I went there today. It was closed. Just and FYI, in case anyone was thinking about making a trip there.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2330692]BBB, I sent you a PM. And I agree about Black Page. I know him from his posts in the Batam thread. Batam is not an easy place to monger, and so if he can do it, then he's someone worth listening to.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2330682]I would love to have read the post of Black Page which Admin deleted. Anybody get to read it?[/QUOTE]Wow guys I love you so much! Thank you for your kind words of support!

First of all: BBB, you did not miss anything. It was just a follow-up to express my agreement with what Midwestern had commented about some other post. Let's forget.

I have been a loyal contributor to ISG for more than 12 years, maybe 15. I have been frankly shocked to receive suddenly not one but TWO infractions in two months, one because in Batam I wrote one line in Bahasa Indonesia, to reply to some humorous question made in Bahasa by a fellow member, and now this one in this thread, where I simply wrote to agree with Midwestern.

Guys, I am here to contribute, submit field reports, respond questions if I know anything. We are here to share information and to have some fun, also making jokes if it happens. All respectfully of course. I wrote the stories of my experience in Shanghai in a series of posts. I understand I visited it at the worst time. Too bad for me. Regrettably, I will not go back to Shanghai, at least I cannot foresee when. However, we will keep in touch on ISG.

I owe Jackson the best moments of my life of "hobbyist", and I wish to stay as one of the most loyal and long-time contributors. Admin3, please accept my words of respect!

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2330842]

I owe Jackson the best moments of my life of "hobbyist", and I wish to stay as one of the most loyal and long-time contributors. Admin3, please accept my words of respect![/QUOTE]One thing that most people don't know is that Jackson sold this site. That's the main reason why the url went from the INFO extension to the NL extension. Someone tell me if I'm wrong. But I remember when the site was shut down for a day, with an announcement from Jackson saying that he finally decided to sell the site and that the new owner would reopen the site soon.

First post here but I've read the site for a while. Figured it was time to contribute.

This was my second session with HuJing, first was about a year ago but the pickings have become a bit dry in the meantime. I speak Chinese so the setup was easy, but her English is definitely more than adequate and should have no issues conversing with international clients. I booked a 2 hour full service+massage option 3 k. Usually I find that pricey but I wanted a nice massage along with FS and my usual options were unavailable due to the wind. Had her come to my apartment / hotel lobby and she was kind enough to wait about 10 min while I cleaned up.

Hu Jing has a great bod, nice firm see-cups and slim. She has a stereotypically exotic / oriental face which I don't find pretty but is passable and I can understand why some find her attractive.

We got into the shower together and she did a good job of focusing on the important bits. Later on we got on the bed for the massage which I definitely needed after 17 hours of air travel. Hu Jing has professional massage skills, my only complaint is that she seems not to try as hard on the naughtier elements of the massage if there is going to be FS in the offing. I may try a non-FS massage to get another data point one day. After about an hour we started off with a BBJ followed by cowgirl and missionary. She had resistance to doggy that I had to coax her out of but we ended up finishing in that position.

Overall a great experience if a bit pricey. Combination of a good massage + GFE FS is good for those occasions when you really want both.

[QUOTE=ProfCharles;2330922]First post here but I've read the site for a while. Figured it was time to contribute.

Hu Jing has a great bod, nice firm see-cups and slim. She has a stereotypically exotic / oriental face which I don't find pretty but is passable and I can understand why some find her attractive.

Overall a great experience if a bit pricey. Combination of a good massage + GFE FS is good for those occasions when you really want both.[/QUOTE]Great first report. My opinions of her are the same. Great bod. But face is not so great. But she and Wenli helped me survive the last crackdown and I'll always be grateful to them for that. I took turns seeing them every week. Both were willing to book ST hotels for us, but now that ST hotel option is limited.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2331064]Great first report. My opinions of her are the same. Great bod. But face is not so great. But she and Wenli helped me survive the last crackdown and I'll always be grateful to them for that. I took turns seeing them every week. Both were willing to book ST hotels for us, but now that ST hotel option is limited.[/QUOTE]Didn't you add Beverly Jones into the mix she is a Shanghai classic as would be Cathy, but never got to taste that treat. I'the rank Beverly above Hu and Wenli.

As expected my stay there in Shanghai was a bit of a disappointment. I can confirm as of Thursday night both M&J are still closed. I also went looking for Windows Garage on Nanjing but it too is closed and moved to another location.

On Thursday the Spot opened back up in its new location right next to Judys. I probably spotted less than 3 ladies who were looking for friendship. Down at the Blind Pig I spotted the same two on consecutive nights. They were 7-8's. Overall the cupboard is bare, as expected.

Good luck out there.

I have lived in Shanghai in 2008-2010 and then again since 2015. As we all know those early days were golden. I remember some visits to one of the many legendary places (whose name I don't recall) where you'd have a fabulous variety of sexy young girls to choose from. I then became regular of a massage place on Jianguo East Rd by Jiashan Rd where a fantastic and cheerful young girl was always very eager to meet me. When I came back in 2015 that place had no fun option anymore. They still give a real good massage if that's what you want, but meh.

Fortunately I discovered Spring Massage, and in the one on Wuding Rd I used to have a favorite one with a wonderful slim and fit figure topped with beautiful pear shaped breast and a GFE attitude that I haven't yet seen elsewhere. She would be of the moody type at the beginning, showing a bit of grumpy teenager attitude, but then when in action (FS for extra 700-1000 depending on the frequency and mood) she would perform with so much passion that you would forget you are at a MP. There were a couple other favorites too, although not to that level, but I think most left Shanghai or stopped working on that. All in all Spring was a great place where I would always find friendly girls with great attitude and some really hot. I'm hoping for them to be back to business soon. In their wechat account they wrote, on May 31, that they would be closed for a month. But for several weeks before that they had already suspended the juicy option, so it's not clear if it will be in the menu once they're back.

Lately, because of this windy weather, I booked some independent girls. Besides that I had only tried this option back in 2015-16, and from that website called something like Shanghai Nightlife Guide or so, and which I'm not sure if it's the same as the current NLO. From those bookings I remember both good and bad experiences, with some girls that yet being the girl in the advertised picture, was somehow lacking all the charm that the make-up and the photographer had achieved, and others like a Cambodian girl called Cecile that was pure fire, all fit and active, with a delicious round and hard ass.

So, recently I saw Amli. She is very recommendable. I'd say that although she is not a super young one, she is still quite pretty and has a nice slim body. The breast although is a beautiful one, doesn't have the best consistency to touch. She was very attentive and willing to please, but she doesn't have much natural naughty attitude. All in all I'd recommend her, but I personally went on and tried different ones.

Next one was Mimi, from NLO. Fantastic figure. Slim with big beautiful breast. The performance wasn't bad but I felt there wasn't much of a click so it didn't feel great and rather robotic.

Yesterday I did a bit more of research and found Miss Elisa on another site. She is from Singapore and has her own website. It was great to meet her. She is quite a character, pink dyed hair, dark skin, with a very sexy facial features (at least to me taste), big eyes and lips. She's got small but beautiful breast and a solid butt. We had a very good conversation to start with and the thing felt natural and stepped to a very good performance.

There have been some tries with other independent girls that are posted in different sites, and I have already sent back more then two or three without paying even the fucking taxi since they were not only clearly not the girl posted but also plainly very uninteresting ones. When they offer SMS or whatsapp communication I usually text them and ask "Are you Leela?" when the name I found is actually a different one, and in so many cases they say "yes".

This has been what I've been doing lately. I hope things get back to normal, or closer to what it used to be some months ago.

Cheers and stay safe!

[QUOTE=Tyb60;2331504]Didn't you add Beverly Jones into the mix she is a Shanghai classic as would be Cathy, but never got to taste that treat. I'the rank Beverly above Hu and Wenli.[/QUOTE]I saw Beverly Jones regularly before the crackdown. But after Steven got busted, I couldn't find her WeChat ID. Recently I found it again, but I've moved on from that bunch of Beverly, WenLi, HuJing, and Maria. But yeah, Beverly gives the best BJ ever. I'll never forget her. Cathy is another Shanghai classic, and I too never saw her, but only because I'm not into her looks, and I'm not into kinky stuff. Other than these 5, who else might be considered a Shanghai classic?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2332501]I saw Beverly Jones regularly before the crackdown. But after Steven got busted, I couldn't find her WeChat ID. Recently I found it again, but I've moved on from that bunch of Beverly, WenLi, HuJing, and Maria. But yeah, Beverly gives the best BJ ever. I'll never forget her. Cathy is another Shanghai classic, and I too never saw her, but only because I'm not into her looks, and I'm not into kinky stuff. Other than these 5, who else might be considered a Shanghai classic?[/QUOTE]Beverly was at the top or near the top, Mimi a Viet was also pretty good but didn't have Beverly's sense of what you wanted but she knew how to go nasty, sadly Maria was one I never tasted, her profile like Cathy weren't MCOT, an original rogue Rain and short time NLO was my ATF, Cherry we had a special chemistry, timeless lady like Beverly, do hope they are doing well in this nasty weather!

Stay sage all!

"renovations".

These are dog days.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2332736]"renovations".

These are dog days.[/QUOTE]Why are M&J closed, but Maggie's in Beijing is still going strong? Explanations such as June 4, trade war, etc. Don't explain why weather is bad in SH but not so bad in BJ.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2332743]Why are M&J closed, but Maggie's in Beijing is still going strong? Explanations such as June 4, trade war, etc. Don't explain why weather is bad in SH but not so bad in BJ.[/QUOTE]I have heard that there is some summit taking place in Shanghai this month related with national security or even drugs prevention, and that the honey loving bear will be visiting soon.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2332743]Why are M&J closed, but Maggie's in Beijing is still going strong? Explanations such as June 4, trade war, etc. Don't explain why weather is bad in SH but not so bad in BJ.[/QUOTE]As said in one of my earlier posts besides the 4th, you have the task teams sent from the central gov for 1 month to audit Shanghai and other provinces behaviour.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2332840]As said in one of my earlier posts besides the 4th, you have the task teams sent from the central gov for 1 month to audit Shanghai and other provinces behaviour.[/QUOTE]I see. Thanks. BTW, do you think that eventually Shanghai will become completely clean? If so, when do you think?

[QUOTE=Tyb60;2332568], an original rogue Rain and short time NLO was my ATF, Cherry we had a special chemistry, timeless lady like Beverly, do hope they are doing well in this nasty weather![/QUOTE]I hope this won't bust your bubble, but Cherry has "special chemistry" with tons of guys, including me, LOL. I saw her about 2 dozen times, but I had to quit seeing her because we were always barebacking, and I couldn't stop myself from doing it because the sessions were so passionate, so I had to go cold turkey with her. I think she'll soon become a Shanghai classic, if she's not already. Right now, I'm meeting out-of-work MP gals at their homes, but unfortunately most of them have gone home.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2332874]I see. Thanks. BTW, do you think that eventually Shanghai will become completely clean? If so, when do you think?

I hope this won't bust your bubble, but Cherry has "special chemistry" with tons of guys, including me, LOL. I saw her about 2 dozen times, but I had to quit seeing her because we were always barebacking, and I couldn't stop myself from doing it because the sessions were so passionate, so I had to go cold turkey with her. I think she'll soon become a Shanghai classic, if she's not already. Right now, I'm meeting out-of-work MP gals at their homes, but unfortunately most of them have gone home.[/QUOTE]WG is a WG, BBFS that is crazy, legend of Shanghai indeed, anal, oral, submissive and passionate RBGFE+++ included BBFS, that is our Cherry on top, now a Shanghai legend, buyer beware, LOL.

I went to a legit massage place, actually a beauty center whose clients are 90% female. Owner said she could not accept males this month. Bad times. Bad. Bad times.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2333458]I went to a legit massage place, actually a beauty center whose clients are 90% female. Owner said she could not accept males this month. Bad times. Bad. Bad times.[/QUOTE]I was told that closing times have been changed from 12 pm to 8 pm. And this is "clean" shop.

Hello,

Based on the current dry session, the MP providers seem to be very active on WeChat. People Nearby.

I get an increased number of (quite cheap) offers for Massage. Sometimes with he only, sometimes more.

Is this a safe option even during the stormy environment currently? Anything I have to be aware when "booking" a provider there?

Or would you recommend to keep quiet at the moment and wait until the storm is over?

Bests,

Mi Se.

[QUOTE=MiSe;2333843]Hello,

Based on the current dry session, the MP providers seem to be very active on WeChat. People Nearby.

I get an increased number of (quite cheap) offers for Massage. Sometimes with he only, sometimes more.

Is this a safe option even during the stormy environment currently? Anything I have to be aware when "booking" a provider there?

Or would you recommend to keep quiet at the moment and wait until the storm is over?

Bests,

Mi Se.[/QUOTE]They are offering to come to your place, or you go to their place? Anyway, the Shanghai forum is full of reports of WeChat gals, and almost all of the reports are negative. Everything from fake pics, poor service, upselling when they get into your room, stealing, and also even death threats from anonymous people. Why not just meet up with HuJing, or Maria, or Wenli, or others known to be safe and reliable?

I went to my usual legit MP today. I've been going there regularly for over 6 years. Store was closed. I texted one of the gals, and she confirmed that it'll be closed for at least a month. Despite my many massages there, there's never been a hint of extras. I've only gotten excruciatingly painful foot and back massages that made me feel fantastic later. This is getting ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2334218]I went to my usual legit MP today. I've been going there regularly for over 6 years. Store was closed. I texted one of the gals, and she confirmed that it'll be closed for at least a month. Despite my many massages there, there's never been a hint of extras. I've only gotten excruciatingly painful foot and back massages that made me feel fantastic later. This is getting ridiculous.[/QUOTE]Yes. Things have taken a very bad turn. If you call it an Islamisation of Shanghai, it would not be a total exaggeration.

Many ordinary, totally legit massage parlors have closed for June for "renovations. " Those that remain open generally cannot do cross-gender massages. There's been a heavy crackdown on bars that stay open late, often testing any random client for drug use.

Hard to say where it will end. However, I don't believe we'll get back to where we were 3 years ago any time soon.

[QUOTE=MiSe;2333843]Hello,

Based on the current dry session, the MP providers seem to be very active on WeChat. People Nearby.

I get an increased number of (quite cheap) offers for Massage. Sometimes with he only, sometimes more.

Is this a safe option even during the stormy environment currently? Anything I have to be aware when "booking" a provider there?

Or would you recommend to keep quiet at the moment and wait until the storm is over?

Bests,

Mi Se.[/QUOTE]You do know that Wechat is monitored and big bro can zap posts before they even materialize, and you ask is it safe. The only question is have the powers to be decided to leverage their crackdown to include social media solicitations.

My observations of the WG is that class sessions are still in full swing on my Wechat, so they haven't stopped class openings study sessions, now who is waiting on the other side I let you risk for yourself.

For those that must get LB serviced, I say find some horny rich MILF if you are attractive enough, but if you are fat or ugly and undesirable and only can get P4P then you are SOL. Or you can risk it and end up in a round up like what happened to Steven and a few customers from NLO.

Islamization of Shanghai continues.

Was in one of city's most famous 5-star hotels. Asked about massage. She said all massage services closed this month. Might open again in future, but not sure. This the most plain vanilla massage known to mankind.

Time to get out of Shanghai. I'm not optimistic about the future.

One of my faves is coming back to town, she will be hanging out at the spot with 2 of her friends. I told her to be careful, I wish I was in town. Her and Sun are my ATFs, I do like spinners and Tina's DT always makes me happy.

you will need to stop in,,,, to see her.... telll her Sam sent you

I received, as many of you I believe, this PM from a new member with 0 posts on ISG (not that having 50 posts would have changed the picture):

[I]Hey blackpage
Read your posts on the Shanghai board, really helpful very detailed thanks for the effort man.
Was travelling to shanghai next week, was looking for some relaible wechat contacts.
See if you can share some. Will revert with detailed FR>
Cheers, thanks. [/I]

I am sure it is needless note, but I would advise to not share any wechat contact with unknown people, especially in the current environment.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2335134]I received, as many of you I believe, this PM from a new member with 0 posts on ISG (not that having 50 posts would have changed the picture):

[I]Hey blackpage
Read your posts on the Shanghai board, really helpful very detailed thanks for the effort man.
Was travelling to shanghai next week, was looking for some relaible wechat contacts.
See if you can share some. Will revert with detailed FR>
Cheers, thanks. [/I]

I am sure it is needless note, but I would advise to not share any wechat contact with unknown people, especially in the current environment.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I also got a PM from a new member. He was asking for a WeChat contact of a well known WG whose contact is very easy to find. So I suspect it's LE. This happened during that last crackdown, where a person with no posts suddenly was asking specific details and contacts of various places and gals. Let's not get anyone in trouble, including ourselves obviously. Don't give out details to unknown people.

I have read on a local site that Sh police is doing a lot of arrests to cut the resource providers of some big gang (s) or similar crime organisations. So, could be that the wind on "our" MPs and the like are gusts from a bigger hurricane. And reading the posts over the arrests for drugs issues, easily can be connected to this news.

This can be a good news or a bad news. Good news would be that, once the gangs are gone, everything goes back to normal and ma be cheaper (just dreaming.). Bad news would be that there will be shortage of "raw material" and price goes up.

Hope for the first one.

And I am pretty sure it is hard to stop the oldest job in the world.

Just wish to share the news.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2335022]One of my faves is coming back to town, she will be hanging out at the spot with 2 of her friends. I told her to be careful, I wish I was in town. Her and Sun are my ATFs, I do like spinners and Tina's DT always makes me happy.

you will need to stop in,,,, to see her.... telll her Sam sent you[/QUOTE]Isn't Manhattan and Judy. "renovating". Right now? Or are the women on a call only basis? Thanks for the tip Sam.

Don't think I'd reach the conclusion, as some posters have, that the Chinese can't stop or greatly hinder the world's oldest profession. This is a tightly monitored and controlled environment. Even in the "free and democratic" US, federal and local governments have clamped down on prostitution, making it dangerous and overpriced. The US, guided by its grandiose 1st amendment, recently shut down Backpage. In fact, the US is more than willing to curtail freedom of speech and private business transaction between willing parties under the guise of (relatively rare) child smuggling. Authoritarian China could do much, much more.

For a take on the recent massage scene, see: [URL]http://www.smartshanghai.com/wire/wellbeing/crackdown-this-is-why-you-cant-get-a-massage?source=android.[/URL] The massage parlors they talked to said it could be a month. Or it could be permanent.

If I were a betting man, I'd say mongering will be getting more and more dangerous in Shanghai, though the deteriorating environment could be punctuated by some periods of more lax enforcement.

Wish it weren't so!

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2335449]Don't think I'd reach the conclusion, as some posters have, that the Chinese can't stop or greatly hinder the world's oldest profession. This is a tightly monitored and controlled environment. Even in the "free and democratic" US, federal and local governments have clamped down on prostitution, making it dangerous and overpriced. The US, guided by its grandiose 1st amendment, recently shut down Backpage. In fact, the US is more than willing to curtail freedom of speech and private business transaction between willing parties under the guise of (relatively rare) child smuggling. Authoritarian China could do much, much more.

For a take on the recent massage scene, see: [URL]http://www.smartshanghai.com/wire/wellbeing/crackdown-this-is-why-you-cant-get-a-massage?source=android.[/URL] The massage parlors they talked to said it could be a month. Or it could be permanent.

If I were a betting man, I'd say mongering will be getting more and more dangerous in Shanghai, though the deteriorating environment could be punctuated by some periods of more lax enforcement.

Wish it weren't so![/QUOTE]The squads from BJ are leaving end of June so it should get much better then, especially since local LE made sure no bad surprise are to popup during this period.

Still, its all part of a campaign that is meant to last till the end of 2019 and noone knows how things will go until December nor what they will decide for 2020 and onwards.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2335981]The squads from BJ are leaving end of June so it should get much better then, especially since local LE made sure no bad surprise are to popup during this period.

Still, its all part of a campaign that is meant to last till the end of 2019 and noone knows how things will go until December nor what they will decide for 2020 and onwards.[/QUOTE]But are the legit MPs guaranteed to return to business at least? Yesterday, I was in Minghang, with a couple of hours to kill, and in need of a legit massage. I walked to more than a half dozen totally LEGIT places, and all closed, until I finally found a foot massage place still open.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2336013]But are the legit MPs guaranteed to return to business at least? Yesterday, I was in Minghang, with a couple of hours to kill, and in need of a legit massage. I walked to more than a half dozen totally LEGIT places, and all closed, until I finally found a foot massage place still open.[/QUOTE]Who knows? I agree that if Gov decide to stop them all, they will stop them all. In these years I definitely learned that what the Gov say is done.

Anyhow I am still hoping some new form of "relaxing" services will be proposed. From personalized ones to new creative ideas.

Let's see.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2336013]But are the legit MPs guaranteed to return to business at least? Yesterday, I was in Minghang, with a couple of hours to kill, and in need of a legit massage. I walked to more than a half dozen totally LEGIT places, and all closed, until I finally found a foot massage place still open.[/QUOTE]There is no request to close legit MPs.

Its an overzelous action from the local LE in reaction to the ongoing controls since this month is VERY important for them and if something goes bad they will be accused of covering for it before.

They don't want to risk a legit place having a girl doing services for tips on her own will.

Same goes for some shops whom are afraid of getting shutdown and having hard procedures launched against them in case of something going wrong.

Therefore some legit shops are closed, others only have males for male and female for females, others have removed their doors, others have banished oil massage but accomplish massage with clothes, all showers in room have been banished but some provide a room to shower, others provide no shower at all, and some massage joints allow female oil massage on men with doors closed. All cases exist and are a mix of local LE and shop owner's fears.

I'd say if all goes on well and inspection is a success, the pressure should go down a lot at the end of the month and everyone will be happy the central gov gives them a good mark for their advancement in the party.

Over the last year, I experienced some good contacts with a girl I met in Judy's (from VietNam of course). Using WC we would meet, independent of bar activities, and she would stay with me for a couple of days in my SH hotel. So there was more than the hardcore activities, we would visit musea and other events. I visit SH every 2 months for business. With the present shut-down, she is staying in HCMCity and is not considering any other way of working in SH than the usual places: J and M. Bur she did contact me with an interesting proposal: she could fly over, stay with me for a week, only with me and fly back. She showed me her economics, 3400 RMB for the return ticket and twice the taxi fare from Pudong to the hotel. It is intriguing, but I had to decline. A few encounters in a week of 1500-2000 RMB is one thing, but maintaining a lady for a whole week, outside work, is rather challenging. In the evenings there are some business obligations and we always enjoy our dinners and other outings. We have a healthy appetite between the sheets, though, a lot of foreplay (BBBJ and DATY; she does not fake her orgasm), and the usual K9 missio and the occasional trip to the Greek islands, always covered. But to go for these activities every night? Not for me. Any thoughts in the forum about this proposition? Anyone did it before?

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2336279]There is no request to close legit MPs.

Its an overzelous action from the local LE in reaction to the ongoing controls since this month is VERY important for them and if something goes bad they will be accused of covering for it before.

They don't want to risk a legit place having a girl doing services for tips on her own will.

Same goes for some shops whom are afraid of getting shutdown and having hard procedures launched against them in case of something going wrong.

Therefore some legit shops are closed, others only have males for male and female for females, others have removed their doors, others have banished oil massage but accomplish massage with clothes, all showers in room have been banished but some provide a room to shower, others provide no shower at all, and some massage joints allow female oil massage on men with doors closed. All cases exist and are a mix of local LE and shop owner's fears.

I'd say if all goes on well and inspection is a success, the pressure should go down a lot at the end of the month and everyone will be happy the central gov gives them a good mark for their advancement in the party.[/QUOTE]You're right about all cases exist. I was walking around a neighborhood in Changning today, and saw over a dozen legit shops that were open. I was able to get an oil massage with the blue shorts, but no hint of extras. Hope you're right that the pressure goes down a lot by the end of this month.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2336279]There is no request to close legit MPs.

Its an overzelous action from the local LE in reaction to the ongoing controls since this month is VERY important for them and if something goes bad they will be accused of covering for it before.

They don't want to risk a legit place having a girl doing services for tips on her own will.

Same goes for some shops whom are afraid of getting shutdown and having hard procedures launched against them in case of something going wrong.

Therefore some legit shops are closed, others only have males for male and female for females, others have removed their doors, others have banished oil massage but accomplish massage with clothes, all showers in room have been banished but some provide a room to shower, others provide no shower at all, and some massage joints allow female oil massage on men with doors closed. All cases exist and are a mix of local LE and shop owner's fears.

I'd say if all goes on well and inspection is a success, the pressure should go down a lot at the end of the month and everyone will be happy the central gov gives them a good mark for their advancement in the party.[/QUOTE]While I hope you're right, I don't think the city can become as restrictive as it has become (banning even legit massages), then overnight on July 1 revert to the way it was before. Each time there is an extensive anti-mongering campaign, things ease up but never return to the way they were.

Bottom line: Some of the zealousness will fade, but certain restrictions will linger. We will never, I feel, get back to 5 years ago or even 3 years ago. Wishful thinking won't change that.

I can think of at least 3 active posters on this forum who have been busted. Some, like Stephen, doing real prison time. No illusions.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2336412]I can think of at least 3 active posters on this forum who have been busted. Some, like Stephen, doing real prison time. No illusions.[/QUOTE]It looks like I visited Shanghai in the worst possible period of its history, yet I was not so unlucky as it could have been.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2336474]It looks like I visited Shanghai in the worst possible period of its history, yet I was not so unlucky as it could have been.[/QUOTE]Stephen's arrest occurred around the time of the previous crackdown, not the current crackdown. Stephen ran a site, SNG, similar to the current NLO. His assistant and at least a dozen johns were arrested too. The johns were in jail for 2 weeks, to provide testimony against Stephen and his assistant. Apparently, LE was able to locate the johns using the assistant's phone, and hotel security cameras confirmed the meetups.

Just before the current crackdown, Rain got busted along with 4-5 of her gals. She ran a well known outcall agency, catering to foreigners. I would be surprised if they didn't bust some johns too, in order to get testimony against Rain.

Right now, even indies are worried about getting busted. WeChat is monitored. Probably a good idea for both parties to avoid putting addresses on WeChat.

[QUOTE=RW141;2336282]Over the last year, I experienced some good contacts with a girl I met in Judy's (from VietNam of course). Using WC we would meet, independent of bar activities, and she would stay with me for a couple of days in my SH hotel. So there was more than the hardcore activities, we would visit musea and other events. I visit SH every 2 months for business. With the present shut-down, she is staying in HCMCity and is not considering any other way of working in SH than the usual places: J and M. Bur she did contact me with an interesting proposal: she could fly over, stay with me for a week, only with me and fly back. She showed me her economics, 3400 RMB for the return ticket and twice the taxi fare from Pudong to the hotel. It is intriguing, but I had to decline. A few encounters in a week of 1500-2000 RMB is one thing, but maintaining a lady for a whole week, outside work, is rather challenging. In the evenings there are some business obligations and we always enjoy our dinners and other outings. We have a healthy appetite between the sheets, though, a lot of foreplay (BBBJ and DATY; she does not fake her orgasm), and the usual K9 missio and the occasional trip to the Greek islands, always covered. But to go for these activities every night? Not for me. Any thoughts in the forum about this proposition? Anyone did it before?[/QUOTE]I've done this before. During the last crackdown, I was so desperate that I contacted a former Kitty gal (Kitty's is an outcall agency in Beijing). She quit the P4 P biz several years ago, but we kept touch because she was one of my my faves and she liked me too. So, when I asked her to visit me in Shanghai, she said okay and she came, and stayed for about 5 days. I told her I would be working days, so she had the days to herself. Though we occasionally met for afternoon delights.

So, I would say there are four things you should consider: (1) Will she pay for her own flight so you can reimburse her when you meet? I wouldn't transfer money to a WG, as it leaves a paper trail. (2). Has she stayed overnight with you before? Only reason why I say this is because many WGs are restless sleepers or on their phones or have insomnia or are jonesing for a smoke. (3) Make sure she understands that you have a busy schedule but that she is supposed to be on your schedule. (4) Finally, one other thing that I did was put her up in her own hotel room. I didn't want someone in my room when I wasn't there.

So, we are talking about a lot of money. In addition to air travel and hotel, I paid her 1.5x her usual overnight rate for each day she was in Shanghai.

I'm off to Shanghai on business next week. What's the safest way to get some P4P action there? I see that there are a lot of escort agencies still active on line, is that likely to be legit or am I likely to be arranging a meet up with the local police for my trouble?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2336747]I've done this before. During the last crackdown, I was so desperate that I contacted a former Kitty gal (Kitty's is an outcall agency in Beijing). She quit the P4 P biz several years ago, but we kept touch because she was one of my my faves and she liked me too. So, when I asked her to visit me in Shanghai, she said okay and she came, and stayed for about 5 days. I told her I would be working days, so she had the days to herself. Though we occasionally met for afternoon delights.

So, I would say there are four things you should consider: (1) Will she pay for her own flight so you can reimburse her when you meet? I wouldn't transfer money to a WG, as it leaves a paper trail. (2). Has she stayed overnight with you before? Only reason why I say this is because many WGs are restless sleepers or on their phones or have insomnia or are jonesing for a smoke. (3) Make sure she understands that you have a busy schedule but that she is supposed to be on your schedule. (4) Finally, one other thing that I did was put her up in her own hotel room. I didn't want someone in my room when I wasn't there.

So, we are talking about a lot of money. In addition to air travel and hotel, I paid her 1.5x her usual overnight rate for each day she was in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, we'll all have to get creative in this or a similar manner. You paid big, man, but you also eliminated any risk of getting busted in a treacherous environment. Can't criticize that.

As Shanghai becomes more and more restrictive, it increasingly resembles the USA. In the USA, you overpay for mediocre looks / service due to LE's distortion of the free market. Similarly in Shanghai, our options continually narrow, and we pay more and more for those narrowing options.

Anyone who thinks we're returning to the climate 5 years ago when there were saunas with 7's, 8's and 9's all over the city for $100/ HR is living in La La Land. We might not even get back to March 2019. Over the past 18 months, as the saunas either shut or went up to $300-4000, we still had M / J operating as a free market. I also used to pick up ordinary girls in high-end legit massage places. Now that's gone.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2336747]
So, we are talking about a lot of money. In addition to air travel and hotel, I paid her 1.5x her usual overnight rate for each day she was in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]I know I am lecturing the obvious, and this is never welcome, so feel free to jump on me, but did you or others ever considered to bring the mountain to Mohamed since Mohamed will not move to the mountain?

With 1/5 of that huge amount of money, one could:
- keep the small head in ice to cool it down from Monday to Friday, focus on work and save the stress of having a demanding WG to look after for 5 days while busy at work;
- fly to a better place not so far away, such as Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia;
- hire 3-4 girls and enjoy a different harem on the two days (night).

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2336847]I know I am lecturing the obvious, and this is never welcome, so feel free to jump on me, but did you or others ever considered to bring the mountain to Mohamed since Mohamed will not move to the mountain?

With 1/5 of that huge amount of money, one could:
- keep the small head in ice to cool it down from Monday to Friday, focus on work and save the stress of having a demanding WG to look after for 5 days while busy at work;
- fly to a better place not so far away, such as Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia;
- hire 3-4 girls and enjoy a different harem on the two days (night).[/QUOTE]LOL, man. A lecture is cool. We all need to to be kept in check sometimes. Anyway, I left out several other key details about why I did this. I won't bore you with them. I was just trying to share my experience with someone who asked about "flying one in. " LOL. But I will say this: I've done it a few times, and I absolutely regret the money I wasted. LOL. But I figure if I ever go near-broke, I'll just move to a 3rd world country and have a harem every night until I die.

[QUOTE=ColinBakerKing;2336765]I'm off to Shanghai on business next week. What's the safest way to get some P4P action there? I see that there are a lot of escort agencies still active on line, is that likely to be legit or am I likely to be arranging a meet up with the local police for my trouble?[/QUOTE]You've mongered in Vietnam and Thailand, and never bothered to share your experiences. And now you want advice on mongering in Shanghai. GTFO.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2336615]Stephen's arrest occurred around the time of the previous crackdown, not the current crackdown. Stephen ran a site, SNG, similar to the current NLO. His assistant and at least a dozen johns were arrested too. The johns were in jail for 2 weeks, to provide testimony against Stephen and his assistant. Apparently, LE was able to locate the johns using the assistant's phone, and hotel security cameras confirmed the meetups.

Just before the current crackdown, Rain got busted along with 4-5 of her gals. She ran a well known outcall agency, catering to foreigners. I would be surprised if they didn't bust some johns too, in order to get testimony against Rain.

Right now, even indies are worried about getting busted. WeChat is monitored. Probably a good idea for both parties to avoid putting addresses on WeChat.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=TheGuy;2336792]Unfortunately, we'll all have to get creative in this or a similar manner. You paid big, man, but you also eliminated any risk of getting busted in a treacherous environment. Can't criticize that.

As Shanghai becomes more and more restrictive, it increasingly resembles the USA. In the USA, you overpay for mediocre looks / service due to LE's distortion of the free market. Similarly in Shanghai, our options continually narrow, and we pay more and more for those narrowing options.

Anyone who thinks we're returning to the climate 5 years ago when there were saunas with 7's, 8's and 9's all over the city for $100/ HR is living in La La Land. We might not even get back to March 2019. Over the past 18 months, as the saunas either shut or went up to $300-4000, we still had M / J operating as a free market. I also used to pick up ordinary girls in high-end legit massage places. Now that's gone.[/QUOTE]Worlds oldest profession, in a large 30 M people, so much $, and horny such international city. Lots of demand and in China so much poverty and millions of hungry ladies there will most certainly be activity.

Sadly for the buyer prices will be up as those providing and or facilitating have much more risk and will charge more for that, simple market conditions.

The good those that do it will make money, either desperate and willing or maybe good and worth it. Hopefully those that like risk and can't contain their urges find the later kind and not the former exploiter.

What amazes me with my WeChat is large number of WG on WeChat I find a ton of ladies who have class open daily, hasn't changed one bit. Daily posting ton of tasty class open offers.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2336747]I've done this before. During the last crackdown, I was so desperate that I contacted a former Kitty gal (Kitty's is an outcall agency in Beijing). She quit the P4 P biz several years ago, but we kept touch because she was one of my my faves and she liked me too. So, when I asked her to visit me in Shanghai, she said okay and she came, and stayed for about 5 days. I told her I would be working days, so she had the days to herself. Though we occasionally met for afternoon delights.

So, I would say there are four things you should consider: (1) Will she pay for her own flight so you can reimburse her when you meet? I wouldn't transfer money to a WG, as it leaves a paper trail. (2). Has she stayed overnight with you before? Only reason why I say this is because many WGs are restless sleepers or on their phones or have insomnia or are jonesing for a smoke. (3) Make sure she understands that you have a busy schedule but that she is supposed to be on your schedule. (4) Finally, one other thing that I did was put her up in her own hotel room. I didn't want someone in my room when I wasn't there.

So, we are talking about a lot of money. In addition to air travel and hotel, I paid her 1.5x her usual overnight rate for each day she was in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]FYI, I did a few times. All the cases were when I was free for a few days to a week (the longest time 11 days during Chinese New year). So, for the called in girls, I spent the whole time with them (day and night). I just paid usual overnight rate time days they were with me, plus transportation (air or train tickets depending on where she came from). No additional hotel money needed since she live with me, eat together, go out together. Enjoy sex and sight-seeing together. Usually I asked her to test HIV / STD before came, so bb fxxk without condom. Very enjoyable memories that I could not forget for my life time, I believe. I have a few back-up girls such particularly for the case like now or for longer holidays, most girl went home, not much new girls I can find. In normal time, I do not use them, because I rather fxxk new girls each time. No need to repeat.

While I am a frequent visitor to Shanghai I have never spent time with a WG there or in any other city for that matter.

I was hoping to do so on my upcoming trip there but was completely unaware of the crackdown. Thank goodness for this forum.

I was planning on using one of the hundreds of sites for an outcall.

Though based on what I've read here I'd like to know if anyone can recommend a 4 or 5 star hotel with spa in-house that offers a R & T.

Or is it better to just leave it for my next visit based on the current conditions.

Hi friends,

Summer is here, many girls outside very sexy and winter on every place!

Just try to identify solutions.

Is anybody tried an apartment girl here in shanghai? I from time to time check Beijing reviews and seems to work well. And in shanghai? Any experience from people? Is it safe, cost effective?

Other solution I thought just chat up a real girl outside! Jing'an is full of very sexy and beautiful young girls. Any experience? But the problem is longer process and because I am living in shanghai and not single possibly risky.

So as you see try to find just an easy solution to release pressure!

Thanks for your comment and remarks.

Just exchanged few wechat message with two ex-MP girls. Asked if they will come back to SH (both live out of town). Answer is next month and they will not work anymore in the parlor but from their home apartment. I have asked if the parlor will open again and the answer was "it is under renovation".

May be the future is home visits?

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2337729]Just exchanged few wechat message with two ex-MP girls. Asked if they will come back to SH (both live out of town). Answer is next month and they will not work anymore in the parlor but from their home apartment. I have asked if the parlor will open again and the answer was "it is under renovation".

May be the future is home visits?[/QUOTE]If they live out of town, then what does it mean that they will working from their "home apartment" in Shanghai? Their boss or MP owner will rent a cheap flat for them in Shanghai?

[QUOTE=Strephane58;2337441]
Is anybody tried an apartment girl here in shanghai? I from time to time check Beijing reviews and seems to work well. And in shanghai? Any experience from people? Is it safe, cost effective?

Other solution I thought just chat up a real girl outside! Jing'an is full of very sexy and beautiful young girls. Any experience? But the problem is longer process and because I am living in shanghai and not single possibly risky.[/QUOTE]In this forum, there's been a bunch of reports during the past year about apartment girls in Shanghai. And yeah, a real girl outside sounds nice in theory, but a lot of us prefer to be the proverbial John.

[QUOTE=Noobz;2337390]
Though based on what I've read here I'd like to know if anyone can recommend a 4 or 5 star hotel with spa in-house that offers a R & T.[/QUOTE]For whatever reason, room service in-house spa reports are rare. I have no idea why. It's a true mystery to me. I have submitted numerous room service in-house spa reports when I have traveled to different Chinese cities. But almost no one else does. I don't understand it.

[QUOTE=AllForBb;2337174]FYI, I did a few times. All the cases were when I was free for a few days to a week (the longest time 11 days during Chinese New year). So, for the called in girls, I spent the whole time with them (day and night). I just paid usual overnight rate time days they were with me, plus transportation (air or train tickets depending on where she came from). [/QUOTE]The tricky part to flying a gal in is figuring out a fair rate. I guess since you paid for meals and activities, then paying the usual overnight rate was okay. For me, I was flying them in and spending no time with them except to do the deed. Plus, they were traveling only to see me. So, eventually, I figured 1. 5 x their usual overnight rate was fair. But this is a tough call, I admit.

[QUOTE=Tyb60;2336892]r.

What amazes me with my WeChat is large number of WG on WeChat I find a ton of ladies who have class open daily, hasn't changed one bit. Daily posting ton of tasty class open offers.[/QUOTE]Have you tried any of them? If so, please report.

Just traveled to some other medium-sized cities. In every one, 5-star hotels had closed their spas for "renovations. " When I asked, none knew when they would reopen. The usual "next month or maybe never" response. In one town, all the bars had also been closed for "renovations. " Amazing how extensive this is.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2338385]Just traveled to some other medium-sized cities. In every one, 5-star hotels had closed their spas for "renovations. " When I asked, none knew when they would reopen. The usual "next month or maybe never" response. In one town, all the bars had also been closed for "renovations. " Amazing how extensive this is.[/QUOTE]That's insane. And yet, the Beijing thread isn't reporting any type of crackdown. Seems weird that the capital is being left alone.

BTW Guy, I sent you a PM. Please check it when you get a chance.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2338698]That's insane. And yet, the Beijing thread isn't reporting any type of crackdown. Seems weird that the capital is being left alone.

BTW Guy, I sent you a PM. Please check it when you get a chance.[/QUOTE]Dude, sorry, nothing in my inbox.

Yeah, appears to be eastern part of China, definitely multiple provinces but the whole country (yet). People in the 5-star hotel said they did not know what the government was doing, just that all bars and massage places had to shut. This was hundreds of miles away from Shanghai.

There had been some talk about an inspection in Shanghai, but clearly it's broader than that.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2338081]If they live out of town, then what does it mean that they will working from their "home apartment" in Shanghai? Their boss or MP owner will rent a cheap flat for them in Shanghai?[/QUOTE]Hi,

Not sure about that. They did not mention. May be they just share the apartment.

M.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2338734]Dude, sorry, nothing in my inbox.[/QUOTE]Shit. I probably messed up. I'm almost always drunk when I come onto ISG. Anyway, I sent you a new PM just now.

Talked to one today and they offered to send girl to me (but said can't do in clinic) - that'll sure eliminate mongering.

Anyway, they said their branches outside of Jing an most operating as normal, so finally a bit of good news.

Found a city untouched by the crackdown. Got in some good mongering.

I want to visit Shanghai the first time. Is mongering still possible besides the crackdowns? If only the bars and massage parlors are under supervision, then there should still be nightclubs with freelancers or wechat possibilities?

Shanghai is big. Are there really no brothels in other city districts up and running? Or is the scene dead?

Please enlighten me.

Do the reported crackdowns mean Shanghai is a no-go for mongering or are there still enough freelancers in the nightclub? Shanghai is huge, if only the massage parlors and some bars have been cracked down, there should still be many hookers left? Or did prices go up insanely high, like $300?

Hi guys,

Just registered on the forum after a few weeks as a guest viewer. Thanks for all the insights provided.

My recent experiences:

Last action was a month ago in my usual go to HJ MP at Jiashan Rd, and that was already sort of messy with strict policy toward wearing shorts, and only 1 shower available for the whole MP.

Tried to get back there 2 or 3 times over the last month, was still opened but they only provided foot massage (was not really in the mood).

Been back on Sunday and that was now closed. Managed to talk with someone through the locked glass door and they say they were handling some renovations. Classic excuse lately as per other members reports.

Also tried to get actions from other MP I was a regular in:

- Spring Massage at Madang Road: Could spot old & ugly masseuses upstairs, which prevented me to go for it, as normally this place has nicer ones. They were still offering the massage at 388 RMB though, so could have lead to some little action.

- Sunny Massage at People Square: this one is on the fancy side so I thought it could still be opened / have made the cut as it also offers regular massage.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Igmc32;2339478]Do the reported crackdowns mean Shanghai is a no-go for mongering or are there still enough freelancers in the nightclub? Shanghai is huge, if only the massage parlors and some bars have been cracked down, there should still be many hookers left? Or did prices go up insanely high, like $300?[/QUOTE]There is still sauna available (I know of one at the outer limits of Shanghai last station of a metro line), there are still appartment girls, there are still some shops providing underground service for old customers (either through main door locked / unlocked upon request or in most cases through back door), there are still girls delivery options, etc.

That being said you need to speak chinese and have done your homework in the past to be connected to most options and noone is going to publish specific options in the open or to a 2 post user.

Hell regarding the sauna or few shops who offer service to old customers I wouldn't send anyone there since all it takes is an anonymous tip from a competitor, displeased customer or neighbour to be arrested and most likely deported considering the current situation.

Lockdown on leisure such as legit MPs should be lifted between tomorrow for some MPs till next week for others.

As for less legit service we shall see but I guess begining of July / mid July will see several reopenings for the MPs offering both legit and less legit service.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2339561]
Lockdown on leisure such as legit MPs should be lifted between tomorrow for some MPs till next week for others.

As for less legit service we shall see but I guess begining of July / mid July will see several reopenings for the MPs offering both legit and less legit service.[/QUOTE]BTW got the confirmation some bars will start reopening Friday and other spots will follow in the upcoming week.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2339953]BTW got the confirmation some bars will start reopening Friday and other spots will follow in the upcoming week.[/QUOTE]What's the background of crackdown all locations and then accepting stepwise the reopen?

How does everyone keep overview about the status? Do you know wechat groups. Contacts.

By the way, watch out whom you interact with on WeChat. One of my accounts, used for mongering, was hacked into (by LE, I think).

I'm connected to someone based in Shanghai whose handle includes the name "Hailey. " Seems to have a bunch young, high-end Chinese hotties. All looks too good to be true. Anyone tried this service?

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2339972]By the way, watch out whom you interact with on WeChat. One of my accounts, used for mongering, was hacked into (by LE, I think).[/QUOTE]I have 2 WeChat accounts. One is based on a registered cell phone number, and the other I use for the mongering. For the past couple of months, the latter account has been acting up. Sometimes I cannot even log off from the latter account and must turn off my device. Meanwhile the legit account works perfectly fine. The higher ups are highly likely auto-monitoring our WeChats for mongering activities. A person on another site mentioned that he opened a new WeChat account and started contacting WGs and discussing rates and then suddenly his account got blocked. Note also that many WGs that do incall will not provide their specific addresses. They provide a meeting place. Or they call you to tell you their address. It's probably also best to not reveal our addresses and definitely wise not to discuss arrangements on WeChat.

[QUOTE=Intransit;2340056]I'm connected to someone based in Shanghai whose handle includes the name "Hailey. " Seems to have a bunch young, high-end Chinese hotties. All looks too good to be true. Anyone tried this service?[/QUOTE]I have never tried this service, but it may be legit and here's why: I know a freelance pimp. She is familiar with, or searches for, many high-end hotties on Chinese escort sites, and she contacts them and tells them that she can advertise them to foreigners, but she asks for a 30% finder's fee. But these gals are expensive. At least 5000 rmb per hour. Not exaggerating.

I got a text from one gal saying that her MP opens tomorrow, and I got another text from a different gal from another MP saying that her shop opens on the 30th. I'm crossing my fingers.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2340057]I have 2 WeChat accounts. One is based on a registered cell phone number, and the other I use for the mongering. For the past couple of months, the latter account has been acting up. Sometimes I cannot even log off from the latter account and must turn off my device. Meanwhile the legit account works perfectly fine. The higher ups are highly likely auto-monitoring our WeChats for mongering activities. A person on another site mentioned that he opened a new WeChat account and started contacting WGs and discussing rates and then suddenly his account got blocked. Note also that many WGs that do incall will not provide their specific addresses. They provide a meeting place. Or they call you to tell you their address. It's probably also best to not reveal our addresses and definitely wise not to discuss arrangements on WeChat.[/QUOTE]They don't need to hack, they have full read access already, LOL.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2340065]I got a text from one gal saying that her MP opens tomorrow, and I got another text from a different gal from another MP saying that her shop opens on the 30th. I'm crossing my fingers.[/QUOTE]Can PM me the contact of the MPs that will be opening? Looking for some fun next month in Shanghai.

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[QUOTE=Karlteoh;2340710]Can PM me the contact of the MPs that will be opening? Looking for some fun next month in Shanghai.

[/QUOTE]Hopefully they will all reopen. But who knows what they will reopen as. The last time MPs reopened after a crackdown, the prices at many places were higher and the "extra" menu options were fewer. Some places simply decided to sell their business and the new owner reopened as a legit shop. Let's see.

[QUOTE=Karlteoh;2340710]Can PM me the contact of the MPs that will be opening? Looking for some fun next month in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]There's one in Changning close to Jing'an, SW intersection of Zhenning Rd and Yan'an Xi Rd. He on the offering, they also offer outcall if you are close, where you can try your luck for more with the girl.

[QUOTE=RW141;2336282]Bur she did contact me with an interesting proposal: she could fly over, stay with me for a week, only with me and fly back. Any thoughts in the forum about this proposition? Anyone did it before?[/QUOTE]That doesn't sound too unusual overall. This number's from a few years back, but I think it used to cost 10 k a month to effectively hire a mistress, plus living expenses if they had their own place.

As a duly unusual request pre-shutdown, 3 different MP girls asked if they could stay with me since with their shops locked up they had nowhere to stay. I suppose it's hard going back home and explaining how their jobs allowed them to just take off for an extended break. 2 basically proposed acting as live-in wives including cooking and cleaning (meh), and the third said she'd be bring 2 friends (such a better offer).

Couldn't agree to it for all kinds of reasons: not knowing for how long, wondering what they do all day while you're working, explaining the new faces coming in and out when you live in a small neighborhood where everyone knows each other. And also having to pay for it again once they go back to their shops. Or how they'd react if you ever went there and picked someone else, and now they even know where you live. All very messy business, though I'll always wonder what life would have been like living with a trio of 20-some year olds.

Guess it's time to see if any of them are reopened now.

[QUOTE=Karlteoh;2340710]Can PM me the contact of the MPs that will be opening? Looking for some fun next month in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]First post is a request for info on places right after a sensitive time and LE crackdown? Go screw off.

As a follow up on my post regarding my old friend, from Judy's, who offered to come over and stay, from Vietnam. I told her I was only 4 nights in Shanghai and could help her 3 of these 4. Some business obligations were there. Amazing, she contacted some other clients, from EU / USA as well, and managed to piece together a solid week of bookings for her. So I had her registered at the reception and she checked into my room. It has to be boring for her during daytime, but nights were well spent. For the details: she loves to gobble down my DNA, I managed multiple pops and the Greek islands were open for visits. The last night she was with me, she was pondering to extend her stay, seemed that J and M were on the verge of opening. Overall, it was nice but quite an enterprise to share a hotel room with a sexy bar lady from Vietnam whose English is not sufficient to understands this review. She was in a bad mood when she left, why? I don't know, probably money, I treated her fine, she wanted more out of it.

[QUOTE=PlaceKicker;2341009]That doesn't sound too unusual overall. This number's from a few years back, but I think it used to cost 10 k a month to effectively hire a mistress, plus living expenses if they had their own place.

As a duly unusual request pre-shutdown, 3 different MP girls asked if they could stay with me since with their shops locked up they had nowhere to stay. I suppose it's hard going back home and explaining how their jobs allowed them to just take off for an extended break. 2 basically proposed acting as live-in wives including cooking and cleaning (meh), and the third said she'd be bring 2 friends (such a better offer).

Couldn't agree to it for all kinds of reasons: not knowing for how long, wondering what they do all day while you're working, explaining the new faces coming in and out when you live in a small neighborhood where everyone knows each other..[/QUOTE]Hahaha, some WGs don't quite understand the mindset of the monger. We go to your MP so that we can have your services without having to let you live with us and be around us almost all the time. If the girl moves in, it rather defeats the purpose. Had a similar experience with a wg here who was convinced we could get married and I'd move back to America and take her with. I'm guessing, however, that they aren't wrong in this approach because a lot of their Chinese guy clients actually are looking to "trade up" from their middle aged wives.

How are the dance halls going in Shanghai? I live in Suzhou but read this thread once in a while since the winds tend to go in the same direction. In Suzhou and other cities there were / are Chinese "dance halls" (baidu search "wu ting" but in Chinese characters). Basically it's a place open around 8 am-10 pm that play traditional Chinese music and alternates "fast dances" with bright lights and "slow dances". During the slow dances they darken the room a lot, you pay girls 20-40 rmb, and then you can dance with them and feel them up in the dark. If you speak Chinese and the girls like you, you can often get more. Some freelancers hang out in there and try to get you to leave with them right away, but most girls just come in and make the 20-40 rmb fee from each dance. Some work their full time, some are between jobs, some have other jobs and just come into make some money. Most are not really "WGs". Some of these dance halls are just full of hold people doing normal dancing, however.

Anyway, I haven't seen anyone in this thread discussing these and the ones in Suzhou recently got cracked down on but from what I've read on the Chinese internet, they are still allowed in Shanghai. Might be worth checking out during these hurricane monsoon stormy times.

[QUOTE=PlaceKicker;2341009]As a duly unusual request pre-shutdown, 3 different MP girls asked if they could stay with me since with their shops locked up they had nowhere to stay. I suppose it's hard going back home and explaining how their jobs allowed them to just take off for an extended break.

Guess it's time to see if any of them are reopened now.[/QUOTE]Among the gals that stayed during this crackdown, I finally convinced a few of them to do incall. Most of them never wanted to do it until now. I now understand why. They often live in a single room of a 3 or 4 bedroom apartment, so they have a shared living room and shared kitchen (sometimes shared bathroom, but sometime they had their own) with their neighbors living in the other rooms. So, it was awkward, and sometimes the girl would text me and tell me to wait a few minutes to make sure the coast was clear. What a hassle. Plus, I also discovered that just because they are great at giving a HJ, it doesn't mean they are great in the sack, LOL. Guess this was only a good idea in theory. Oh well.

BTW, while places are slowly reopening, I know girls from 2 different Springs / Yu that said they still have no idea when they're reopening.

Some reopened today. Some will reopen tomorrow and later this week. These include both legit and not so legit shops. But the gals that I know from 2 Springs / Yu still have no idea when they will reopen.

Yesterday I passed by Spring on Wanping Rd and another MP owned by the same people as Spring (altho called differently), also on Wanping Rd just around 20 m south of Xietu Rd, on the west side of the street. Both are closed, locked, looking like they won't reopen soon if ever. One of the masseuses who used to work in those two told me that she doesn't have any news of reopening. SadSad.

Hi.

I will be in Shanghai next week and with all the inclement weather about I wanted to know whether Judy's is open for business as usual?

Thanks.

Norman.

[QUOTE=RW141;2341372]As a follow up on my post regarding my old friend, from Judy's, who offered to come over and stay, from Vietnam. I told her I was only 4 nights in Shanghai and could help her 3 of these 4. Some business obligations were there. Amazing, she contacted some other clients, from EU / USA as well, and managed to piece together a solid week of bookings for her. So I had her registered at the reception and she checked into my room. It has to be boring for her during daytime, but nights were well spent. For the details: she loves to gobble down my DNA, I managed multiple pops and the Greek islands were open for visits. The last night she was with me, she was pondering to extend her stay, seemed that J and M were on the verge of opening. Overall, it was nice but quite an enterprise to share a hotel room with a sexy bar lady from Vietnam whose English is not sufficient to understands this review. She was in a bad mood when she left, why? I don't know, probably money, I treated her fine, she wanted more out of it.[/QUOTE]If she booked other guys, then I'm sure you treated her fine. If she were only in Shanghai just for you, then paying her 1. 5 times her usual overnight rate, for each day she's in Shanghai, would have been fair, IMHO. Maybe you should have told her what you were planning on giving her. But that's 20-20 hindsight. Most importantly, sounds like you had a good time.

Went to 2 reopened MPs today. Both places were busy with girls applying for jobs. That was weird. But I guess with crackdowns, there's also turnover. At the place where I decided to get serviced, I was the first customer that a new girl ever had. The manager told her that I was a good customer and so I would be a good first customer for her. What a bizarre experience. She was so nervous. At one point, she was rubbing my nipple with her nose, for at least a coupled minutes. LOL. But I was polite.

BTW, the place was packed. I texted the manager beforehand, and she didn't reply. When I saw her, she apologized and said that she got so many messages that she couldn't accommodate any client with special requests. She said just come and you get whichever gal is next, because it was so busy. LOL. They reopened today. Finally, in this place the rooms have windows. But the girl just covered them with a towel. So maybe things aren't super strict. We will see. I'll check out other MPs. Oh, and the prices on the menu increased at this place. I'll check out other MPs to see if this is true at other places.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2342280]Went to 2 reopened MPs today. Both places were busy with girls applying for jobs. That was weird. But I guess with crackdowns, there's also turnover. At the place where I decided to get serviced, I was the first customer that a new girl ever had. The manager told her that I was a good customer and so I would be a good first customer for her. What a bizarre experience. She was so nervous. At one point, she was rubbing my nipple with her nose, for at least a coupled minutes. LOL. But I was polite.

BTW, the place was packed. I texted the manager beforehand, and she didn't reply. When I saw her, she apologized and said that she got so many messages that she couldn't accommodate any client with special requests. She said just come and you get whichever gal is next, because it was so busy. LOL. They reopened today. Finally, in this place the rooms have windows. But the girl just covered them with a towel. So maybe things aren't super strict. We will see. I'll check out other MPs. Oh, and the prices on the menu increased at this place. I'll check out other MPs to see if this is true at other places.[/QUOTE]Thank god! I was really fearing it'd be another Dongguan situation in the Jiangsu / Shanghai area. Worst crackdown since I've been in China. About half the places I know of closed up permanently and became new stores. Hoping Nanjing / Suzhou / Wuxi / Kunshan start following suit and re-opening MPs.

[QUOTE=NormanBrightside;2342255]Hi.

I will be in Shanghai next week and with all the inclement weather about I wanted to know whether Judy's is open for business as usual?

Thanks.

Norman.[/QUOTE]Same question here.

Any news on J&M?

Has anyone heard anything?

[QUOTE=CoconutWater89;2342429]Thank god! I was really fearing it'd be another Dongguan situation in the Jiangsu / Shanghai area. Worst crackdown since I've been in China. About half the places I know of closed up permanently and became new stores. Hoping Nanjing / Suzhou / Wuxi / Kunshan start following suit and re-opening MPs.[/QUOTE]So far, the only MP that I've heard isn't reopened yet is Spring / Yu. When they reopened after the previous crackdown, their off menu options dramatically decreased. I wonder if the same will happen this time, or if they will rebrand completely. Or if something else is going on with them.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2339972]By the way, watch out whom you interact with on WeChat. One of my accounts, used for mongering, was hacked into (by LE, I think).[/QUOTE]I was contacted by an outcall agency just now, telling me that its WeChat account is now blocked. Just a reminder to be careful when using WeChat. Don't reveal addresses and don't explicitly discuss arrangements on it.

Judy's has a sign out that says they will open on Friday. I'm not sure if it the same with Manhattan.

The sign has been out for a couple of days. I assume its to give the girls some notice ahead of time. Although I wouldn't be too sure if all the girls will flock back as if things were back too normal.

Spring on maoming opened on July 1st, but later closed again on the 2nd. I'm not going to speculate on what or why it happened. Because it's just that, speculation. Everything or anything anyone knows is just a guess as good as anyone's. So enough with the reports of when the MPs might open. Reports on MPs that are reopened would be far more informative and helpful.

The past weeks have been mostly about when MPs might reopen again and speculative reasons why they aren't. Enough of that. Please!

K.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2342264]If she booked other guys, then I'm sure you treated her fine. If she were only in Shanghai just for you, then paying her 1. 5 times her usual overnight rate, for each day she's in Shanghai, would have been fair, IMHO. Maybe you should have told her what you were planning on giving her. But that's 20-20 hindsight. Most importantly, sounds like you had a good time.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I was totally transparent about the number of nights and payments. With lavish dinners and drinks, it is still difficult to keep these Hi-maintenance girls satisfied.

Let the fun and games begin. Although candidates might be a bit short on the ground for a week or so.

[QUOTE=Keric333;2342839]
The past weeks have been mostly about when MPs might reopen again and speculative reasons why they aren't. Enough of that. Please!

K.[/QUOTE]One of my most recent posts reported that MPs have reopened, except for some Springs. Previously, I reported that some MP gals told me that they would reopen first week of July, and they were right. Not sure who was speculating and not reporting useful intel.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2343208]One of my most recent posts reported that MPs have reopened, except for some Springs. Previously, I reported that some MP gals told me that they would reopen first week of July, and they were right. Not sure who was speculating and not reporting useful intel.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I've also seen many MPs reopen (despite my pessimism during the shutdown).

I've been a lurked so far and decided to register today. Will contribute some TP's in time, and may also write up some retrospective TP's for locations other than shanghai (as I have very little useful info here so far.

I live and work here and have been reading with interest as the recent windy weather has developed, but for that I would probably have something of use to say!

I was going to try to message someone to arrange a meet up today, would appreciate being shown the ropes out here, but it seems I cannot pay for a subscription in a manner which will register sufficiently quickly! It might seem a silly suggestion, but have admins thought about a PayPal system? Or western union transfer? Anyway. I suppose this is a Hello, from me. Thanks to those members who have provided so much useful info. I hope that over time I can pay something back.

I did want to ask some advice. I'm pretty risk averse so would appreciate any help.

Thinking about Judy's and Manhattan, is it safe to use Didi to get to and from? Or would you avoid that?

Also, assuming you have no personal reason not to (no family at home) what would be the advice on meeting girls at these bars and going back to your apartment rather than a hotel?

Thanks in advance.

Hi all,

Apologies if a reworded version of this appears. I've been having a nightmare submitting this post for some reason. Anyway I'm a long time lurker so on this site (intermittent) and finally decided to register today.

I live in Shanghai and have been following recent developments with interest. I arrived not too long ago and what I've read on here has caused me to order use extra caution so I have no TP for Shanghai as yet, although I will post when I do.

I was going to try to ask someone about arranging a meet up this evening as I would appreciate being shown the ropes out here, but it seems I cannot pay for a subscription in a manner which will register sufficiently quickly! Anyway. I suppose this is a Hello, from me. Thanks to those members who have provided so much useful info. I hope that over time I can pay something back.

I did want to ask some advice. I'm pretty risk averse so would appreciate any help.

Thinking about Judy's and Manhattan, is it safe to use Didi to get to and from? Or would you avoid that?

Also, assuming you have no personal reason not to (no family at home) what would be the advice on meeting girls at these bars and going back to your apartment rather than a hotel?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Keric333;2342839]it's just that, speculation. Everything or anything anyone knows is just a guess as good as anyone's. So enough with the reports of when the MPs might open. Reports on MPs that are reopened would be far more informative and helpful.[/QUOTE]

It was said here the anti gang task force sent from BJ was to leave Shanghai around the 30th of June and places would reopen from the 26th for legit places, 28/29th for bars and some MPs, up to the end of the following week.

I witnessed just that, with some HJ / BJ MPs opening on the 29th, 30th, 1st. And wechat announcement for other places they'd reopen on the 5th and 6th.
Pretty much 80 to 90% of the places I knew of in may 2019 have reopened. As reported by members here, it was pretty packed in the shops last weekend with lots of new girls.

Shanghai has announced dismantling 176 criminal gangs and opening 1 year of investigation against them focusing on shark loans and such... lets hope that keeps BJ happy and that SH won't look too much at our hobby. Thats pretty much the only part we can "speculate" on, the rest has been very factual :)

Manhattan open also - 30 guys. ZERO girls. Judy's 30 guys - 2 girls. Prolly won't stay long 👍

Wow, peeps got defensive real fast.

My point was basically that throughout the whole month of June, there were enough posts of when places were going to open back up regardless of where the Intel was coming from. Instead of that, why not just have posts of confirmed shops?

Anyways, didn't mean to ruffle up feathers. Apologies to those who took it to heart. Carry on.

K.

[QUOTE=Kkden;2343225]
Also, assuming you have no personal reason not to (no family at home) what would be the advice on meeting girls at these bars and going back to your apartment rather than a hotel?[/QUOTE]I used to bring girls back to my home, and I also ordered girls to my home from agencies. You just need to make sure you keep them happy, since they now know where you live. And it would be helpful if your place has decent security or requires a key card to use the elevator, so that they don't get any funny ideas about returning with a couple of guys to beat you up and rob you. Finally, you will probably want to hide anything that will give away your identity if you want to remain an anonymous John.

One of the nice perks of using your home is that they will see you as a potential repeat customer and likely treat you well.

We all love pussy and Asian pussy is probably one of the best in the world. Cute, pretty, sexy, friendly, open to good fucking etc. But, even if Asian pussy is the best in the world is it worth going to jail or being banned from China? This isn't a joke guys, you could land up ruining your life for sex. Sex is obviously important and extremely important but is is more important than your freedom?

Girls back in both J & M last night. J very very limited numbers and all hunting Chinese. M greater numbers and better quality and a few wanting foreigners. Prices unchanged. Both will be back to normal within a few days I would suggest. Go forth and enjoy!

[QUOTE=ShanghaiMagic;2343520]We all love pussy and Asian pussy is probably one of the best in the world. Cute, pretty, sexy, friendly, open to good fucking etc. But, even if Asian pussy is the best in the world is it worth going to jail or being banned from China? This isn't a joke guys, you could land up ruining your life for sex. Sex is obviously important and extremely important but is is more important than your freedom?[/QUOTE]MPs being raided:

- if noone gets caught in the act and noone confessing anything, worse case scenario 24 h at the local police but most of the time nothing.

- if one gets caught in the act, clients get 24 to 48 h, girls 1 to 10 days, boss up to 20 days if not charged or much more if charged.

So freedom isn't that much of an issue, its the call to your relatives or company and possibly the visa cancellation that will cause quite a bit of embarassement. The many foreigners who got their visa cancelled for drug detection lately reported not getting a ban and being able to come back so its unlikely they'd ban you for a HJ in a MP.

I only got raided once over my many years and MPs. Police opened the door, checked I was wearing the blue trousers and girl was just massaging my head and left.

Your % of chances of getting caught is very limited, especially if you check the winds, always wear blue shorts and don't overreact to LE or admit having done anything bad.

Going to MPs at early hours is also a good way to lower your chances of getting raided. Statistically most raids would happend between 18:30 and 22:30, nowdays its been widdened a lot, afternoon will get surprise raids too. But its very rare to get a raid between 10 am and 12.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2343845]So freedom isn't that much of an issue, its the call to your relatives or company and possibly the visa cancellation that will cause quite a bit of embarassement. The many foreigners who got their visa cancelled for drug detection lately reported not getting a ban and being able to come back so its unlikely they'd ban you for a HJ in a MP.[/QUOTE]I always wondered what would happen when the VISA gets taken away. I don't have a Z VISA, but I do use a business VISA, if that gets revoked will it hinder my chances of working there again?

But like you said, they don't blacklist you? Even for drugs, that's kind of lenient.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2308810]I think one thing that noobs need to be aware of that is that 396 option is not on the menu. You have to ask for it. And if you're a noob and you cannot speak Mandarin, then this may be awkward.[/QUOTE]Prices have risen sharply at the Madang location. Jeezus.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2344139]Prices have risen sharply at the Madang location. Jeezus.[/QUOTE]Couple other places have raised their price +100 RMB too. One place said it would go back to normal prices after 15 days but boss had raised the price at the reopening due to high demand.

Sadly prices are unlikely to come back to what they used to. Especially when these guys lost 1 month of business and have less competition as the number of shops lowers over time.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiMagic;2343520]We all love pussy and Asian pussy is probably one of the best in the world. Cute, pretty, sexy, friendly, open to good fucking etc. But, even if Asian pussy is the best in the world is it worth going to jail or being banned from China? This isn't a joke guys, you could land up ruining your life for sex. Sex is obviously important and extremely important but is is more important than your freedom?[/QUOTE]Every act has some risk and consequence, their is "Asian" pussy everywhere and comes down to when / where and how much one wants to pay for what risk. Funny in the US Asia pussy is cheaper thank western choices, the same in the Far East. If price is the metric I would say Asian pussy is more available and cheaper, is it really mighty desirable is a personal taste, LOL.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2344337]Couple other places have raised their price +100 RMB too. One place said it would go back to normal prices after 15 days but boss had raised the price at the reopening due to high demand.

Sadly prices are unlikely to come back to what they used to. Especially when these guys lost 1 month of business and have less competition as the number of shops lowers over time.[/QUOTE]Market economics make lowering always low possibility unless demand goes thru the floor, agree once priced go up and demand is there forget it.

Hey guys,

I am finally back in SH and able to make a good field report. After all the bad weather reports lately I am pleased to say that things are open for business again. Biggest difference I noticed was most of the external signs for MP's are gone. Some of the facilities are also gone (physically removed) or changed to different business.

Went to a MP I have reported on before in north Gubei. Same girl I had before. Young, nice shape with well done bolt on see cups. Strong massage on the back, soft hands on the flip.

Others have already reported that showers were now down the hall. Lights stayed on until the flip, then dark. I think she may have been the only girl on duty at 3 PM because after hearing guy arrive, she hurried and finished my massage in about 30 minutes. I left happy for 298.

Have fun, Be safe.

I went to the Spring on Maoming North and Weihai. Walked to the second floor and asked for a special massage. They said they only do oil massage at the listed price of 298. I've read on previous posts that there's an unlisted massage at 398. I tried asking for it, but they said they don't do special messages.

What am I doing wrong or are they laying low because of the recent crackdown?

[QUOTE=Suranya;2344754]I went to the Spring on Maoming North and Weihai. Walked to the second floor and asked for a special massage. They said they only do oil massage at the listed price of 298. I've read on previous posts that there's an unlisted massage at 398. I tried asking for it, but they said they don't do special messages.

What am I doing wrong or are they laying low because of the recent crackdown?[/QUOTE]They are probably laying low.

Because I struck out at the maoming Spring, I decided to try Yu / Spring massage on Madang. I exited Madang station and immediately saw the massages for Spring and Bamboo7. I was examining the Yu Spa doormat in front of the Spring Entrance door when I saw red and blue lights being reflected off the building in front of me. I turned around and the police car pulled up with all lights on. I quickly walked away and they did't follow.

After about ten minutes, I circled back around and there were four cops chatting around the car. Not sure if they were running detail on the surrounding businesses or they were just hanging out. It was enough for me to catch my train home. Currently 0-2. Hope to find a FS MP within the next couple days.

I.

Spring sent a wechat message two days ago announcement the re-opening of all their locations. That same day I passed by my favorite one, on Wanping, to find out that it's still shut and locked. I imagine that location might never open again.

[QUOTE=Suranya;2345164]Because I struck out at the maoming Spring, I decided to try Yu / Spring massage on Madang. I exited Madang station and immediately saw the massages for Spring and Bamboo7. I was examining the Yu Spa doormat in front of the Spring Entrance door when I saw red and blue lights being reflected off the building in front of me. I turned around and the police car pulled up with all lights on. I quickly walked away and they did't follow.

After about ten minutes, I circled back around and there were four cops chatting around the car. Not sure if they were running detail on the surrounding businesses or they were just hanging out. It was enough for me to catch my train home. Currently 0-2. Hope to find a FS MP within the next couple days.

I.[/QUOTE]One of the gals at that location just confirmed it, when I asked her just now. She actually said “don’t talk nonsense.” So, nothing to freak out about.

BTW, she also told me that off-menu options are only for their regulars. They are currently not offering extras to new clients. Sorry, man.

[QUOTE=Suranya;2345164]Because I struck out at the maoming Spring, I decided to try Yu / Spring massage on Madang. I exited Madang station and immediately saw the massages for Spring and Bamboo7. I was examining the Yu Spa doormat in front of the Spring Entrance door when I saw red and blue lights being reflected off the building in front of me. I turned around and the police car pulled up with all lights on. I quickly walked away and they did't follow.

After about ten minutes, I circled back around and there were four cops chatting around the car. Not sure if they were running detail on the surrounding businesses or they were just hanging out. It was enough for me to catch my train home. Currently 0-2. Hope to find a FS MP within the next couple days.

I.[/QUOTE]LOL why would they arrest you for standing in front of a MP.

Besides they aren't raiding shops with cars activating red and blue lights, else by the time they'd get to the massage room they wouldn't witness anything.
Most raids are done by civil cloth officers, the swat then comes in but arrests already started in the shop and you see people running not just standing by.

Looks like you enjoy scaring yourself :)

[QUOTE=Suranya;2345164]Because I struck out at the maoming Spring, I decided to try Yu / Spring massage on Madang. I exited Madang station and immediately saw the massages for Spring and Bamboo7. I was examining the Yu Spa doormat in front of the Spring Entrance door when I saw red and blue lights being reflected off the building in front of me. I turned around and the police car pulled up with all lights on. I quickly walked away and they did't follow.

After about ten minutes, I circled back around and there were four cops chatting around the car. Not sure if they were running detail on the surrounding businesses or they were just hanging out. It was enough for me to catch my train home. Currently 0-2. Hope to find a FS MP within the next couple days.

I.[/QUOTE]I have learned that in many countries, LE runs their red and blue light all the time. They are probably flashing when the LE stop to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in the bushes. But, you know, I probably would have walked away also. No sense in taking unneeded risk. As foreigners we don't know all the subtleties of other cultures. I would rather keep my dick in my pants than risk having my hole body in jail for a couple days.

What district are you located Suranya?

I hate to sound like a shill, but NLO is turning out to be reliable service, just as advertised. You can see what they offer in Classifieds. I especially like the fact that you can directly contact the girls. Also, with some prices at 1200, that's now *almost* cheaper than trying to get FS in an MP these days.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2345768]I hate to sound like a shill, but NLO is turning out to be reliable service, just as advertised. You can see what they offer in Classifieds. I especially like the fact that you can directly contact the girls. Also, with some prices at 1200, that's now *almost* cheaper than trying to get FS in an MP these days.[/QUOTE]I have not used the service since Steven's issues. I will agree with midwestern. That pricing sounds good to me.

I was at manhattans / Judy's in March. My average was about 1200 taking the girl back to my room. I was at the Portman so no taxi cost but still 1200-1400 RMB was kind of the new normal. No idea where M / J will be after this crackdown. I assume it will depend on girl availability.

The girls that go to M / Js are in for at least 2000-3000 usd for their visit (Visa, plane fare, hotel / food costs) depending on how long they stay. I have talked to a few that feel the pressure to make back their cost plus get a return. That's helped keep the market healthy.

SAM.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2345819]I have not used the service since Steven's issues. I will agree with midwestern. That pricing sounds good to me.

I was at manhattans / Judy's in March. My average was about 1200 taking the girl back to my room. I was at the Portman so no taxi cost but still 1200-1400 RMB was kind of the new normal. No idea where M / J will be after this crackdown. I assume it will depend on girl availability.

The girls that go to M / Js are in for at least 2000-3000 usd for their visit (Visa, plane fare, hotel / food costs) depending on how long they stay. I have talked to a few that feel the pressure to make back their cost plus get a return. That's helped keep the market healthy.

SAM.[/QUOTE]SAM! I miss reading about your splurges, man. Hope you get to come back someday, but given how things are going here, maybe you ain't missing much. Yeah, I was always nervous about contacting SNG, Rain, and other outcall agencies in both Shanghai and Beijing. And, as many of us know, over a dozen Johns did get arrested when Steven got busted because LE could find them using his assistant's phone. When Rain changed her WeChat a couple of times, just before she got busted, I said "f*ck this," and stopped using her too. So I like being able to contact the girls directly. Also, they seem to care about their reviews, so service is often pretty good. To NLO's credit, he has also posted some slightly negative reviews. So, overall, NLO has no fake profiles and the girls are incentivized to provide good service. As for J and M,. I haven't done takeout in about 10 years. I'm in my 50's. I don't want to haul my lazy ass to a bar at 11 pm, and overpay for beers and listen to loud music. I totally get the appeal. I did it for almost 10 years, from my mid 30s to mid 40s. It was a blast. But I'm lazy now. Just want to place an order. LOL.

Anyone ever used this site? [URL]http://shanghaigirlslist.com[/URL].

Over 500 hundred girls listed, but Looks like heavy photoshopped.

[QUOTE=LargeM;2346041]Anyone ever used this site? [URL]http://shanghaigirlslist.com[/URL].

Over 500 hundred girls listed, but Looks like heavy photoshopped.[/QUOTE]I looked at the Changning girls. They all are 168 cm and 49 kg, isn't it funny? And almost all them are 26 old, with a few 27 or 31.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2345892]SAM! I miss reading about your splurges, man. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, As for J and M,. I haven't done takeout in about 10 years. I'm in my 50's. I don't want to haul my lazy ass to a bar at 11 pm, and overpay for beers and listen to loud music. I totally get the appeal. I did it for almost 10 years, from my mid 30s to mid 40s. It was a blast. But I'm lazy now. Just want to place an order. LOL.[/QUOTE]Good to hear from you! Not sure if Shanghai is still in the cards but I have been watching to see what I have been missing. As I am in my mid 50's and don't live in shanghai, I always loved the appeal of J / M. Its one of the few places in the world that I can walk in a bar and be so "handsome" all the girls want me (haha I mean my wallet). IT's a fantasy and I swear I enjoy the shopping as much as the post shopping experience.

I hope to get back someday. Hopefully I still have the juice and the girls are still there by time I get there!

I am new to the forum, used to get my info about Shanghai from another site which is a shadow of its past. I am mongering since I am 18 and by the time it got more and more intense (now for more than 20 years). I am traveling frequently and want to share some of my experiences in order to start my career on this site. I have spent 5 days in Shanghai last week and visit the city 2-3 times per year. That being said, visiting this city in the last 2 years is an almost heartbreaking experience. I am a very big fan of saunas and Shanghai was heaven for me. The German forum, in which Steven was active too, gave me wonderful info. My favorites have been Siping 777 and the one near the football stadium number. 666. I also visited dozens of other saunas but I had unforgettable experiences in those two, especially Siping with an unbeatable price / value ratio. Those were the days, my friend. At that time, and more frequently after the crackdown on saunas, I went to M and J. This time I was lucky, because they re-opened just on my first day in Shanghai. There were not many girls and the rich Chinese dudes waved with money but on both evenings I managed to bring excellent talents home. Really great looking and nice performing. I won't go into details because YMMV and you know the game. Very nice naughty GF experiences. One thing I now do is to collect the WeChat contacts of all girls I meet. In case that there is another crackdown. BTW: Does anybody know how to hide a contact in the WeChat contact list? Or how do you explain all the 20 year old stunners, naughty conversations and pictures in case that, let's say your pastor, opens the app? Sometimes I go to a massage place at Jing'An temple. Just follow the smaller street left of the Paramount movie theatre near the Jing'An metro station (not the main road). You'll then soon reach a family mart. Right side it is a staircase with a sign which reads "oil massage" (well, in fact it reads "oil wassage" They do HJs, provider was attractive, playing with the tits was OK and she played with my asshole to make me come harder. Damage was not high one year ago. After Steven got busted I did not use any outcall services in Shanghai. However, I have a recommendation for you. On NLO, there is Mochi. She is Vietnamese. I know here since many years, when her nickname was QQ and she worked at M. I always had a wonderful time with her. I booked ST but she was so tired after the action and decided to stay without charge. Hell, she could have stayed a week! We had a really good chemistry and she stayed with me the following day too. Without charging. We had lunch and coffee and she stayed until late. Just like a couple, but better. I don't think that you should expect anything like that. It simply happens or it doesn't. About a year later I saw her again for LT, this time I paid for the second one. She is absolutely horny, she simply needs it. She can also be a bit dominant, that's not necessarily my thing since I consider this to be my part. But she is not only very horny with wild fantasies, at the same time she has got a very nice personality, fantastic body and great skills. She writes in her NLO-profile that she is "a little bit addicted to sex" - fully confirm, and not just a bit. Her prices went up since she is doing this escort thing instead of M, but she is worth the money. I'll add some more info for this trip in the Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macao sections. Stay tuned. In case that anybody has some information where to get the Shanghai sauna experience, please share. And if someone knows how to hide the WeChat contacts (in a separate folder for example), please let me know.

[QUOTE=Alfonsostronzo;2346325]However, I have a recommendation for you. On NLO, there is Mochi. [/QUOTE]Thanks Alfonso; I only wanted to correct a minor detail. She is called Omochi. Old mongerers know her by Kim.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2346243]Good to hear from you! Not sure if Shanghai is still in the cards but I have been watching to see what I have been missing. As I am in my mid 50's and don't live in shanghai, I always loved the appeal of J / M. Its one of the few places in the world that I can walk in a bar and be so "handsome" all the girls want me (haha I mean my wallet). IT's a fantasy and I swear I enjoy the shopping as much as the post shopping experience.

I hope to get back someday. Hopefully I still have the juice and the girls are still there by time I get there![/QUOTE]I am completely with you SamCan — the buffet experience at Manhattan is as much fun as the in room time. Each time I go I say "I am going to hold out for at least a half hour and enjoy the buffet" (of hotties) and every time within ten minutes I am smitten by some petite Viet lass and off we go. But I will keep trying! (As long as it's open).

Going to São Paulo soon and get a similar experience at the Boate. More in club time there. Brasileiras tend to be less pushy and you can have lots of dancing and flirting time before hittting the room. (No extra charge).

[QUOTE=Alfonsostronzo;2346325]BTW: Does anybody know how to hide a contact in the WeChat contact list? Or how do you explain all the 20 year old stunners, naughty conversations and pictures in case that, let's say your pastor, opens the app?[/QUOTE]Not possible within a single account, but you can create two accounts (I think you'll need different telephone numbers, but you can always register in another country with a pre-pay sim. Then create an account & password, and you won't need to use the sms login again. This also adds a layer of protection of your real identity in case a provider / agent is compromised, but who knows just how much information wechat actually has on you.

[QUOTE=LargeM;2346041]Anyone ever used this site? [URL]http://shanghaigirlslist.com[/URL].

Over 500 hundred girls listed, but Looks like heavy photoshopped.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShanghaiLander;2346201]I looked at the Changning girls. They all are 168 cm and 49 kg, isn't it funny? And almost all them are 26 old, with a few 27 or 31.[/QUOTE]If it's too good to be true, then it's too good to be true.

Anyway, I looked at it, and they all have the same WeChat and same phone number. So, here's what will happen: you contact them, and ask for person X, and they'll say sure. But the person that arrives is an ugly, fat, 45 year old. You're drink, so you just say WTF and proceed. But then she will up sell. Finally she will rush. I learned this from experience from using similar sites. But why not TOFTT?

[QUOTE=RobSH;2346470]Not possible within a single account, but you can create two accounts (I think you'll need different telephone numbers, but you can always register in another country with a pre-pay sim. Then create an account & password, and you won't need to use the sms login again. This also adds a layer of protection of your real identity in case a provider / agent is compromised, but who knows just how much information wechat actually has on you.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I refuse to monger with the wechat connected to my identity. Way too dangerous.

I buy sim cards from hotel concierge, even if I'm not staying there. They're supposed to register you with your passport, but for 100 rmb many will just register it in a fake name (or their own name). Then you switch back and forth between your real account and the bogus one.

When the government arrests someone, 1st thing they do is investigate wechat conversations. Even if you delete a conversation, it's forever available to the government. Maybe I'm paranoid but prefer to err on the side of caution. Too many contributors to this thread have faced arrest and detention.

Hello,

Seems like the dry period is over, did anybody in the meantime have any positive reports about a MP with he (ideally in Jing'an but also others like 1565 Huashan Lu)?

I've read that spring is only accepted regulars, is this still valid or are they also accepting new customers now?

As I'm not sure if they will identify me as regular as I haven't been quite some time.

Thanks!

Whilst food at Blind Pig on Nanyang Lu is still as bad as ever. It has never been any good since re-branding from Big Bamboo and menu totally changed. There is now a new Mexican Cantina right above BP. It looks pretty good inside but I did not try the food.

The Spot new location right next door to Judy's was absolutely hopping when first opened in May. You could not get a seat in there. July 6 which was first night Judy re-opening the place was deserted and they were all not next door in Judy's. Strange indeed.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2346979]Yeah, I refuse to monger with the wechat connected to my identity. Way too dangerous.

I buy sim cards from hotel concierge, even if I'm not staying there. They're supposed to register you with your passport, but for 100 rmb many will just register it in a fake name (or their own name). Then you switch back and forth between your real account and the bogus one.

When the government arrests someone, 1st thing they do is investigate wechat conversations. Even if you delete a conversation, it's forever available to the government. Maybe I'm paranoid but prefer to err on the side of caution. Too many contributors to this thread have faced arrest and detention.[/QUOTE]Don't feel too safe just by using a different SIM card. All mobile phones are equipped with a unique IMEI number. Who knows if that information also is sent as meta data whenever you send a WeChat message? If, so you have to get rid of the mobile, not only the SIM card. Having said that I doubt that you will get in problems other than having your WeChat blocked if you write something inappropriate.

Personally I think life is too short to think of ways to hide from big brother anywhere in the world. You are not anonymous anywhere on earth. And you always make a footprint somewhere. So live with it.

There is a lot of writing about people having been arrested and put to jail. Anybody who can give examples for "normal customers" having faced that. Or is it just rumours?

Daneinchina.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2347660]Whilst food at Blind Pig on Nanyang Lu is still as bad as ever. It has never been any good since re-branding from Big Bamboo and menu totally changed. There is now a new Mexican Cantina right above BP. It looks pretty good inside but I did not try the food.

The Spot new location right next door to Judy's was absolutely hopping when first opened in May. You could not get a seat in there. July 6 which was first night Judy re-opening the place was deserted and they were all not next door in Judy's. Strange indeed.[/QUOTE]I love the food at the Blind Pig. The barbecue sliders are good and the Mac and cheese is great. I would die without the Blind Pig as the Manhattan warmup.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2347692]I love the food at the Blind Pig. The barbecue sliders are good and the Mac and cheese is great. I would die without the Blind Pig as the Manhattan warmup.[/QUOTE]We are all different my friend. I can introduce you to a bunch of long term SH expat residents who now never frequent BP since the change. But each to their own.

[QUOTE=DaneInChina;2347664]Don't feel too safe just by using a different SIM card. All mobile phones are equipped with a unique IMEI number. Who knows if that information also is sent as meta data whenever you send a WeChat message? If, so you have to get rid of the mobile, not only the SIM card. Having said that I doubt that you will get in problems other than having your WeChat blocked if you write something inappropriate.

Personally I think life is too short to think of ways to hide from big brother anywhere in the world. You are not anonymous anywhere on earth. And you always make a footprint somewhere. So live with it.

There is a lot of writing about people having been arrested and put to jail. Anybody who can give examples for "normal customers" having faced that. Or is it just rumours?

Daneinchina.[/QUOTE]Yes, there are credible reports from regular posters on this thread. RTFF. Detention, often through wechat connections, is an ongoing threat for mongers in Shanghai.

You are naively conflating a broader discussion of an electronic footprint with Chinese LE's reliance on wechat to track those involved with mongering.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2348138]Yes, there are credible reports from regular posters on this thread. RTFF. Detention, often through wechat connections, is an ongoing threat for mongers in Shanghai.

You are naively conflating a broader discussion of an electronic footprint with Chinese LE's reliance on wechat to track those involved with mongering.[/QUOTE]Sorry if I have made you upset, that was not my intention. Let me tell you I have been here in Shanghai for +5 years and played the game in many ways – incall, outcall, MP, you name it.

I also have been reading this forum (RTFF) for at least 5 years, but I can't recall reading about a normal customer getting because LE checked his WeChat. That was my reason for asking about it.

Well, you know it has happened, so I believe you.

So that is another good reason for giving especially you the advise, that using an alternative SIM card may not help you out if the LE really want to check you.

There are other ways to link your mobile phone to a specific WeChat conversation. The IMEI # is an obvious way.

Happy hunting, stay safe and good luck.

Daneinchina.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2347692]I love the food at the Blind Pig. The barbecue sliders are good and the Mac and cheese is great. I would die without the Blind Pig as the Manhattan warmup.[/QUOTE]Another vote for the pig. I've had a lot of smoked BBQ and they do pretty well far from home. Has the vibe changed? Yes. Do I miss that? Yes. But I do like the warmup.

Steve, hope we get to meet up there someday. Enough with the commercial! Back to the girls.

[QUOTE=DaneInChina;2347664]

There is a lot of writing about people having been arrested and put to jail. Anybody who can give examples for "normal customers" having faced that. Or is it just rumours?

Daneinchina.[/QUOTE]Yes, a monger I know personally was held for 2 weeks. Part of it was a big bust tied to SNG, a website for shanghai escorts. The madam for SNG had the johns wechats. POPo got the madam's phone. The johns were picked up and Hotel cameras were used as corroborating evidence.

If you don't want to worry about it, that's you. I stay at a nearby hotel. I walk into J's or M's. I pick the girl and walk back. No technology (other than the hotel hallway camera) to trace me.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2348500]Yes, a monger I know personally was held for 2 weeks. Part of it was a big bust tied to SNG, a website for shanghai escorts. The madam for SNG had the johns wechats. POPo got the madam's phone. The johns were picked up and Hotel cameras were used as corroborating evidence.

If you don't want to worry about it, that's you. I stay at a nearby hotel. I walk into J's or M's. I pick the girl and walk back. No technology (other than the hotel hallway camera) to trace me.[/QUOTE]Picking from J's or M's is definitely the most safe way than using escort website, LE can definitely get girls wechat you can get from same site and trace it if he wants.

[QUOTE=DaneInChina;2347664]

There is a lot of writing about people having been arrested and put to jail. Anybody who can give examples for "normal customers" having faced that. Or is it just rumours?

Daneinchina.[/QUOTE]To add to the list of verified arrests. A few years ago, in the Beijing thread, someone posted a news story about a customer walking out of an MP, and LE stopped him and asked him if he got a HJ, and the customer said no, and then LE beat a confession out of him, on the spot. I'm too lazy to hunt down the post, so maybe you will trust my memory.

[QUOTE=DaneInChina;2348495]Sorry if I have made you upset, that was not my intention. Let me tell you I have been here in Shanghai for +5 years and played the game in many ways incall, outcall, MP, you name it.

I also have been reading this forum (RTFF) for at least 5 years, but I can't recall reading about a normal customer getting because LE checked his WeChat. That was my reason for asking about it.

Well, you know it has happened, so I believe you.

So that is another good reason for giving especially you the advise, that using an alternative SIM card may not help you out if the LE really want to check you.

There are other ways to link your mobile phone to a specific WeChat conversation. The IMEI # is an obvious way.

Happy hunting, stay safe and good luck.

Daneinchina.[/QUOTE]Dude, you don't upset me, you exasperate me. You've been on the forum for 5 years, using its wealth of information, but have not filed useful reports. Rather than accept that wechat is Chinese LE's main tool to link mongers, you talk about some broader technology concerns that are not specific to China. (I've had one of my own mongering wechats hacked into by LE.). This has to do with the Chinese govt's unique relationship with wechat. Anyway, I don't use separate wechats in the same phone. If Ihad, I would have likely been detained during that hack.

By the way, 2 years ago we had a monger describe here in detail his long detention. Stephen and Rain, along with some associates and clients, have also suffered detentions of varying lengths.

[QUOTE=DaneInChina;2348495]Let me tell you I have been here in Shanghai for +5 years and played the game in many ways incall, outcall, MP, you name it.

I also have been reading this forum (RTFF) for at least 5 years.[/QUOTE]And yet, you’ve almost never posted any useful information. You are the worst kind of member. Just leech off of us, but don't share info.

Met her last week. Wow. Natural see on an 88 pound petite frame. Yes, natural. And she is so small, that they seemed like dee. She's about 152 cm. So I felt like I was with a pleasure toy.

Hello,

Seems like the dry period is over, did anybody in the meantime have any positive reports about a MP with he (ideally in Jing'an but also others like 1565 Huashan Lu)?

I've read that spring is only accepted regulars, is this still valid or are they also accepting new customers now?

As I'm not sure if they will identify me as regular as I haven't been quite some time.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=MiSe;2348818]Hello,

Seems like the dry period is over, did anybody in the meantime have any positive reports about a MP with he (ideally in Jing'an but also others like 1565 Huashan Lu)?[/QUOTE]Yesterday I have been to Yu MP in Madang and yes, they offered me the he service. 100 y more then before, that means 496. We are skyrocketing with those prices. BTW the guy said if you buy the member card you can have the old price. Girl was good, both for massage and service. I gave 300 y tip to her for put my hands everywhere. So tip price is the same as before. I went around 9 pm.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=MiSe;2348818]Hello,

Seems like the dry period is over, did anybody in the meantime have any positive reports about a MP with he (ideally in Jing'an but also others like 1565 Huashan Lu)?

I've read that spring is only accepted regulars, is this still valid or are they also accepting new customers now?

As I'm not sure if they will identify me as regular as I haven't been quite some time.

Thanks![/QUOTE]You already posted this message a few days ago.

Looking forward to read your contributions rather than spamming 2 requests for info on the same page.

Came to town on a short business trip and wanted to organize some options beforehand. I had been chatting with a couple of girls from NLO and decided to go w / MiMi. It was really easy to communicate and organize a meet up. I don't have much experience and was worried about how things would go in China reading up on all of LE's recent efforts and Wechat stuff but wasn't an issue at all. I'll keep reading how things progress before my next visit but will likely use their service again in the future. Girls are true to form and had a great time w / Mimi.

[QUOTE=MiSe;2348818]Hello,

Seems like the dry period is over, did anybody in the meantime have any positive reports about a MP with he (ideally in Jing'an but also others like 1565 Huashan Lu)?

I've read that spring is only accepted regulars, is this still valid or are they also accepting new customers now?

As I'm not sure if they will identify me as regular as I haven't been quite some time.

Thanks![/QUOTE]I don't understand why you don't just pop into a nearby MP and see what happens? It seems like you live here, and not just passing through for a couple of days. So you have the luxury to explore. Ever since the MPs have reopened, I have walked into over a dozen. You can quickly tell if it's legit (for example, the menu might include ear cleaning, all the women look like Shrek, and the most expensive massage is 68 kuai), and if that's not what you want, then walk out. I've gotten serviced at 6 different places so far. But nothing worth reporting about. Massage prices ranged from 398 to 888. Extra services ranged from mechanical HJ for 300 tip with zero roaming, to something BARELY naughtier for 500 tip. My experiences were all blah, or ridiculously stupid expensive. Today, I had a lot of free time, and I didn't even bother going to an MP, even though I was bored as hell.

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Two of my providers are under orders not to provide he, at least for now. Makes it hard to pay the back rent incurred during the crackdown, as much as 30,000: rmb per month. One was told no he or even use of the showers in April, before the main crackdown. Of course old customers may be accommodated or offered takeout.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2349050]Yesterday I have been to Yu MP in Madang and yes, they offered me the he service. 100 y more then before, that means 496. We are skyrocketing with those prices. BTW the guy said if you buy the member card you can have the old price. Girl was good, both for massage and service. I gave 300 y tip to her for put my hands everywhere. So tip price is the same as before. I went around 9 pm.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Yeah, prices are ridiculous now. 800 for massage plus HJ. Jeezus. And I'm not going to buy a membership card. Who knows when they'll get shut down and I'm not sure I want to be carrying a membership card to an HJ MP on me to begin with.

[QUOTE=MPoloexplore;2349087]Came to town on a short business trip and wanted to organize some options beforehand. I had been chatting with a couple of girls from NLO and decided to go w / MiMi. It was really easy to communicate and organize a meet up. I don't have much experience and was worried about how things would go in China reading up on all of LE's recent efforts and Wechat stuff but wasn't an issue at all. I'll keep reading how things progress before my next visit but will likely use their service again in the future. Girls are true to form and had a great time w / Mimi.[/QUOTE]NLO is now my go-to. It's great that we can talk and make arrangements with the girls directly. NLO has become a bit of game changer, IMHO. The girls are independent, and the profiles are real. And some girls have a rate of 1200 for FS, which is obviously better than paying 800-1000 for a massage and HJ. To NLO's credit, he even publishes slightly negative reviews and addresses them with the girl.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2349171]Two of my providers are under orders not to provide he, at least for now. Makes it hard to pay the back rent incurred during the crackdown, as much as 30,000: rmb per month. One was told no he or even use of the showers in April, before the main crackdown. Of course old customers may be accommodated or offered takeout.[/QUOTE]Yes, one of my providers said the same to me. She can only do legit for now. And besides, there is no longer any massage room without a window now. So even when girls give HJs, they are nervous.

The provider will get 30 rmb from the 100 price increase. The gals in Jingan were getting 130 out of the former 238 house fee. There will be a shakeout with closures even if the ban is lifted. Rents and inflation take a toll.

There's a new girl on NightLife (see classifieds). Her name is Linda. Met her for an afternoon delight. Had a great time. Very sweet. And great T and A. And the 1200 price makes her a bargain.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2349308]Yeah, prices are ridiculous now. 800 for massage plus HJ. Jeezus. And I'm not going to buy a membership card. Who knows when they'll get shut down and I'm not sure I want to be carrying a membership card to an HJ MP on me to begin with.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. Today I planned to go but then just changed my mind. Cannot believe that! And I think too now NLO is the go-go. I have to find an hourly hotel because I have issues to use my apt.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2349141]I don't understand why you don't just pop into a nearby MP and see what happens? It seems like you live here, and not just passing through for a couple of days. So you have the luxury to explore. Ever since the MPs have reopened, I have walked into over a dozen. You can quickly tell if it's legit (for example, the menu might include ear cleaning, all the women look like Shrek, and the most expensive massage is 68 kuai), and if that's not what you want, then walk out. I've gotten serviced at 6 different places so far. But nothing worth reporting about. Massage prices ranged from 398 to 888. Extra services ranged from mechanical HJ for 300 tip with zero roaming, to something BARELY naughtier for 500 tip. My experiences were all blah, or ridiculously stupid expensive. Today, I had a lot of free time, and I didn't even bother going to an MP, even though I was bored as hell.[/QUOTE]I'm not living in Shanghai but visiting frequently. I have been to some MPs over the time which seemed non-legit (with massages which sounded interesting and are priced in the range of 398-498 RMB) but then got disappointed when I only got a (sometimes quite good) legit massage.

So I thought it's easier to share experience which MP offers which service rather then everybody doing to tour to find out (that's what I thought is this forum about).

Anyway, I decided to head for the last MP I had before the crackdown (1565 Huashan Lu) and I can now confirm they have exactly the same offer as before - 258 for the massage, +100 for the HJ.

(For more details see post 13203 - [URL]www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=2320474&viewfull=1#post2320474[/URL]).

[QUOTE=MiSe;2349517]I'm not living in Shanghai but visiting frequently. I have been to some MPs over the time which seemed non-legit (with massages which sounded interesting and are priced in the range of 398-498 RMB) but then got disappointed when I only got a (sometimes quite good) legit massage.

So I thought it's easier to share experience which MP offers which service rather then everybody doing to tour to find out (that's what I thought is this forum about).

Anyway, I decided to head for the last MP I had before the crackdown (1565 Huashan Lu) and I can now confirm they have exactly the same offer as before - 258 for the massage, +100 for the HJ.

(For more details see post 13203 - [URL]www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=2320474&viewfull=1#post2320474[/URL]).[/QUOTE]Near to 1565 Huashan is a Shanana attached to a Crowne Plaza Hotel. They have a spa menu and massage menu. For a HJ, you have to order from the spa menu. Cheapest option is 600. For an okay HJ, girl may ask for 1000 tip if you are obviously a foreigner, but will always finally agree to 500. If you say no to 500, they sometimes do not care and will let you walk away, believe it or not. I am able to get some down to 300, but most of the time they do not allow roaming. Obviously, most of their guests are from the hotel, and tourists way overpay because they do not know the drill or are nervous. Girls there are 5's and 6's, Near to the Crowne, on 390 Panyu, there is a Fuquan. Again, order from spa menu. Cheapest option is 400. Tip is 300 for a mechanical HJ that lasts for 2 minutes. Girls there are 3's and maybe some 5's. The main perk about this place is that they have showers in the room. I've been to the both since the reopening, but I haven't been back since because I decided it's not worth it. Also, I'm tired about haggling. The days of paying 268 with NO TIP for KB treatment at 78 Changshou Lu are long gone.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2349496]I agree with you. Today I planned to go but then just changed my mind. Cannot believe that! And I think too now NLO is the go-go. I have to find an hourly hotel because I have issues to use my apt.[/QUOTE]As a foreigner, I've never been allowed to book a Hanting Hotel. And I don't think foreigners are allowed the hourly access and rates anyway. However, there are plenty of other cheap hotels (such as Ji Hotel, 268 Motel, Ibis Hotel) that go for about 200-300 rmb for overnight stay. Surprisingly, the Highton Hotel next to the Hilton Hotel has an overnight rate of about 330, and it's a pretty good hotel, but the location sux because it's almost in the middle of nowhere. Finally, I wouldn't try asking the girls to book the ST hotel. These days, girls do not want to do it, because they do not want a bunch of ST hotel bookings on "their permanent record" and it's not 100% easy for us to sneak into these hotels because they are very small hotels. One time, when I snuck into one, the front desk called the room and asked me to register. (I guess they had nothing better to do than to watch their security cameras.) I said I did not have ID, and then they asked for a bribe. So, I just took off. Another time, I was simply stopped from entering (the person asked me for my room key, and I didn't have one, and then he asked me which room I was going to and I didn't reply, and so he told me to go away). What I do these days is book a 4 star hotel for several days that goes for around 300-500, and then I meet a couple of girls each day. I never sleep there. I do this maybe about once a month or once every two months. It's a mongering stay-cation, LOL.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2349680]As a foreigner, I've never been allowed to book a Hanting Hotel. And I don't think foreigners are allowed the hourly access and rates anyway. However, there are plenty of other cheap hotels (such as Ji Hotel, 268 Motel, Ibis Hotel) that go for about 200-300 rmb for overnight stay. [/QUOTE]Hahaha. I love that! The monger-stay location is an ace job! I have to do that too. I have to figure out a couple of things and then is my next task! Will keep you posted.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2349861]Hahaha. I love that! The monger-stay location is an ace job! I have to do that too. I have to figure out a couple of things and then is my next task! Will keep you posted.[/QUOTE]If you do the mongering stay-cation, let me know the hotel especially, and how it went with it. I used to stay in the 268 Motel (I think it's a Ji Hotel now) near People's Square. But it is so small, and so I became a familiar face quickly. So I started using larger hotels, such as Highton. Sometimes I'll splurge and use a 5-star hotel. Most recently, I've been using Longmont, which goes for about 550/ night. It's a large hotel, so nobody pays any attention to anybody, so you can meet the girl on the 2nd floor or just waltz in together from the lobby. Nobody cares. My old MO was to book for 2 nights. On the first day, after I check in and pop a vitamin "see", I book two girls, one for early afternoon and one for late afternoon. Then go home for dinner. For the next day, I channel my inner Samcan and have 3 dates (morning, early afternoon, late afternoon), and then I check out of the hotel early, and go home for dinner (I will admit, however, that after the 1st date on the 2nd day, I usually am spent, and so I'll just swim in and workout and then check out). My MO lately is to spend that 2nd day with a "GF", who is usually an MP gal that will take the day off and spend it with me (but for 2000-3000 kuai, LOL), and that's bliss, man, just stay in bed all day, pleasure each other, nap, then go for round 2, nap or order room service, then maybe another round, or whatever, and then check out.

I usually book with the Trip app on my phone, and so I can pay with WeChat on my phone. No bank record. But one thing that I worry about, in the back of my mind, is that these hotel stays are all going on my "permanent record" with China's big brother.

Midwestern,

I suspect you're probably safe with your hotel stays. In general, Chinese LE goes for low hanging fruit. With hotels, wechats and payment not linked to identify (at least not too closely), you're probably safe. It's why people park their bikes next to bikes with weaker locks. Crooks (and Chinese LE) go for the easy one. The guys they get in a raid or with evidence in wechat tied to their identity doc.

Problem is, it's just getting too expensive and cumbersome to monger in Shanghai, compared to any period in the city's history. I don't want to spend 100 bucks on an unnecessary hotel room just to stay in the game safely. At this point, it's just less work and worry to seduce ordinary Shanghai girls. So for the most.part, I'm now out.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2350251]At this point, it's just less work and worry to seduce ordinary Shanghai girls. So for the most.part, I'm now out.[/QUOTE]Hi Guy,

You mean get a real GF, hook up with girls at the bar, flirt with waitresses, etc? Good luck, man. But for me, I don't want to go that route because of the drama that always follows. And I find that they are oftentimes more expensive, haha. You ever try getting the MP gals' WeChats? Many of these girls live in crappy apartments, and are willing to meet you at their place for FS before their shifts start. Given that you know where they work, it seems safe, and is therefore another viable option. This is how I mainly survived the recent crackdown. By meeting MP gals at their homes.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2350105]If you do the mongering stay-cation, let me know the hotel especially, and how it went with it. I used to stay in the 268 Motel (I think it's a Ji Hotel now) near People's Square. But it is so small, and so I became a familiar face quickly. So I started using larger hotels, such as Highton. Sometimes I'll splurge and use a 5-star hotel. Most recently, I've been using Longmont. [/QUOTE]That's fantastic! Thank you for sharing this! You opened a new world to me. Thank you also for the hotel names, I will share if I find any good one too. Actually now should be a low season for Shanghai, so it should be the right time for getting good hotels.

This morning I was talking with a friend who is just back from Thailand. He said there is paradise. Believe it or not, those few times I have been there, I was not able to test the offer there. I hope one day I have the opportunity.

Yesterday in a moment of sadness I have decided to go back again to the MP in Madang. Yu massage now. Well, same thing at the entrance, that is 496 for the body treatment. Luck, or not, I have got the same girl of the other day who, BTW, is not that bad. Good massage and good ending style. She also gave me a discount, if I can call it like that, and she accepted a 200 kuai tip this time. So 100 less than the first time. So looked like a better situation respect last time.

But, something strange happened: before to exit the building at the cashier desk, right after I have paid, I have got the guy at the entrance asking me if I have tipped the girl. I answered I cannot remember and left.

Sincerely I did not liked that question. May be I am too suspicious, but I think they will not see me for sometime.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2350262]Hi Guy,

You mean get a real GF, hook up with girls at the bar, flirt with waitresses, etc? Good luck, man. But for me, I don't want to go that route because of the drama that always follows. And I find that they are oftentimes more expensive, haha. You ever try getting the MP gals' WeChats? Many of these girls live in crappy apartments, and are willing to meet you at their place for FS before their shifts start. Given that you know where they work, it seems safe, and is therefore another viable option. This is how I mainly survived the recent crackdown. By meeting MP gals at their homes.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's more or less it. Right, we pay for sex in order to say bye with no drama. Problem is, mongering getting so pricy and complicated that I find it easier to pursue ordinary girls. I do meet ups for Chinese wanting to improve English, then try to meet privately. Of course, Chinese birds want to believe sex was an unplanned accident so have to play along with the farce.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2350369]

But, something strange happened: before to exit the building at the cashier desk, right after I have paid, I have got the guy at the entrance asking me if I have tipped the girl. I answered I cannot remember and left.[/QUOTE]I texted my regular girl there just now. She said girls aren’t allowed to receive tips. I guess the 496 price is supposed to include HJ? Anyway, that guy was making sure that you didn’t tip; he wasn’t making sure that you did tip.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2350568]I texted my regular girl there just now. She said girls arent allowed to receive tips. I guess the 496 price is supposed to include HJ? Anyway, that guy was making sure that you didnt tip; he wasnt making sure that you did tip.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. That's a very good hint. Luckily I have not given an answer. I know what to say next time now. "Sorry buddy, I do not tip girls. Should I?

Gents, we are all trying to cope with the crackdown and have to pay more for less and face increased risks as bonus. Reading members' reports on MPs, I just wonder why not see QQ girls. I know this is not as easy as going to an MP, but has many advantages in the current situation: 1. Almost all girls provide FS, 2. No price haggling and inflated costs (most girls ask 500-600, a few even 400), 3. Relative safety since they operate out of their homes and move around a lot and 4. Variety of girls.

Recently I have been rather inactive since my favorite providers have (temporarily?) left town and my new contacts proved just ok during the height of the crackdown (June 4th). But I checked the local website and just added around 10 girls for future play (will be out of town next month). Here some examples:

[URL]http://www.aishxs.org/forum-52-1.html[/URL]

Now, this way of mongering requires familiarity with Shanghai and some Chinese skills is definitely helpful, but it can be done and be lots of fun. But you need to invest some time to find the gems, especially if you go for the lower priced girls. See also my earlier reports on some QQ/WC operational issues.

One thing to keep in mind is that the photos are ALWAYS heavily beautified and you can meet a 'different' girl when she opens her door and hopefully pussy for you LOL!

One crazy experience: went to see a new girl and after she saw that I am foreign (always try to keep that hidden when making the booking since the girls are afraid of 'size') she said that she first had to do a 'dick test' to see if I was not too 'big' LOL. While we were standing in the apartment (dressed) she then pulled my shorts and started to stroke little bro who quickly became rock hard due to many days of neglect. When she saw that my little companion was not of the dreaded size, she still wondered if she would service me. But money talks and she demanded payment upfront. Since I have learned over the years to never pay upfront I left the place, also due to her overall attitude and looks. I then quickly traveled to another part of town to see another girl who provided much needed relief.

Would like to hear experiences of other members.

Stay safe!

[QUOTE=Changlelu;2350868]Gents, we are all trying to cope with the crackdown and have to pay more for less and face increased risks as bonus. Reading members' reports on MPs, I just wonder why not see QQ girls. I know this is not as easy as going to an MP, but has many advantages in the current situation: 1. Almost all girls provide FS, 2. No price haggling and inflated costs (most girls ask 500-600, a few even 400), 3. Relative safety since they operate out of their homes and move around a lot and 4. Variety of girls.

Would like to hear experiences of other members.[/QUOTE]I've done incalls to indies a bunch of times, both in Beijing and Shanghai. The main problem for many of us is that these girls mostly live in low-end complexes and so we (especially foreigners) stick out like a sore thumb as we walk around the complex looking for the right building (one time I was turned away by security, another time the guard yelled something at me and I just yelled some gibberish back and ignored him, and another time a guard just simply asked me my nationality (he said: nali ren? But yeah, I admit almost all guards do not care at all, but you also get the other residents staring at you, and finally, dick size is only half the reason why the girls are afraid of foreigners, the other more important reason is that they don't want their neighbors to see a white, black, or brown guy walking into their apartment, so you may get turned away by them. Incidentally, I didn't realize these girls move around a lot. That actually scares me even more. I used to think it was safe because I knew where they lived. Now that I know that they are mobile, that makes them less appealing to me. It means I could get beaten up by their guy friends and they can then disappear. Finally, I heard from someone who tried this and he said none was worth repeating with. I guess it would be fun if I had plenty of time during the day or evening, but I don't. Nonetheless, it's good that you reminded us of this option. It's not for me, just like J and M is not for me, but I'm sure it's helpful to others.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2350777]Thanks for the information. That's a very good hint. Luckily I have not given an answer. I know what to say next time now. "Sorry buddy, I do not tip girls. Should I?[/QUOTE]Just say nothing. People ask me stuff as I'm leaving all the time, and I just ignore them.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;2350868]Gents, we are all trying to cope with the crackdown and have to pay more for less and face increased risks as bonus. Reading members' reports on MPs, I just wonder why not see QQ girls. I know this is not as easy as going to an MP, but has many advantages in the current situation: 1. Almost all girls provide FS, 2. No price haggling and inflated costs (most girls ask 500-600, a few even 400), 3. Relative safety since they operate out of their homes and move around a lot and 4. Variety of girls.
[/QUOTE]Hi! I have tried a couple of these girls too in these last months and I was lucky having a good experience. I decided to go for higher cost ones, one was 700 the other 1000 because I understood they live in compounds with foreigners too. That was the case for the 1000 but not for the 700 one. I went during the day in this last one and wearing a pair of sunglasess when going in. Nobody stopped me.

Not very happy of the apartments because they are a bit dirty and old, especially the bathrooms. And the best is when you have to dry from the shower: you can get a used towel by "who knows who used it" or a bunch of paper napkins that leaves you all the pieces of paper on you body. I hate that.

By the way both times I had fun, and the ladies were both very nice, pretty and I would say with good skills. I did not know they change apartment often. That's a surprise for me too.

Thanks for the detailed information!

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2349680]As a foreigner, I've never been allowed to book a Hanting Hotel. And I don't think foreigners are allowed the hourly access and rates anyway. However, there are plenty of other cheap hotels (such as Ji Hotel, 268 Motel, Ibis Hotel) that go for about 200-300 rmb for overnight stay. Surprisingly, the Highton Hotel next to the Hilton Hotel has an overnight rate of about 330, and it's a pretty good hotel, but the location sux because it's almost in the middle of nowhere. Finally, I wouldn't try asking the girls to book the ST hotel. These days, girls do not want to do it, because they do not want a bunch of ST hotel bookings on "their permanent record" and it's not 100% easy for us to sneak into these hotels because they are very small hotels. One time, when I snuck into one, the front desk called the room and asked me to register. (I guess they had nothing better to do than to watch their security cameras.) I said I did not have ID, and then they asked for a bribe. So, I just took off. Another time, I was simply stopped from entering (the person asked me for my room key, and I didn't have one, and then he asked me which room I was going to and I didn't reply, and so he told me to go away). What I do these days is book a 4 star hotel for several days that goes for around 300-500, and then I meet a couple of girls each day. I never sleep there. I do this maybe about once a month or once every two months. It's a mongering stay-cation, LOL.[/QUOTE]I am living in China for more than 15 years, you are taking a lot of risk just for having some sex. The hotels need a special licence to accept foreigners. Booking a room and not sleeping there is at high risk for me. Small advice better you find some girl friends and having fun in a more restricted circle, you never know what can happen.

Traveling in a few weeks. Seems that J and be are back in business. My little hottie from HCMC, who stayed with me in my hotel during the troubles, she is there and waiting. Usually when I get from the airport, she will be at my hotel within the hour and for there will not be much conversation when we meet again. She works at J, but indicated on wechat that business was not good, from her perspective. Probably the places are loaded with Vietnamese ladies and, she is in her 30's, the younger ones get pole position. We will meet about 3 times, have dinner and go to a show, or football, nice to have her company. Getting very familiar now, she even wants it without condom and managed to keep me hard without blue pill. Her visa expires, so probably the last encounter.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2351191]I am living in China for more than 15 years, you are taking a lot of risk just for having some sex. The hotels need a special licence to accept foreigners. Booking a room and not sleeping there is at high risk for me. Small advice better you find some girl friends and having fun in a more restricted circle, you never know what can happen.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this useful insight. I have a question. In your opinion, which of the following is safest? (A) Girl books room in 4/5 star hotel and I sneak into it. (B) I book room in 4/5 star hotel and she sneaks into it. (C) We each book a room, but only use hers. So neither one of us is sneaking into hotel, but my room is unused.

I've done all 3, but I'm always a little nervous regardless of which option I use.

Thanks, man.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2351279]Thanks for this useful insight. I have a question. In your opinion, which of the following is safest? (A) Girl books room in 4/5 star hotel and I sneak into it. (B) I book room in 4/5 star hotel and she sneaks into it. (C) We each book a room, but only use hers. So neither one of us is sneaking into hotel, but my room is unused.

I've done all 3, but I'm always a little nervous regardless of which option I use.

Thanks, man.[/QUOTE]In my opinion, it is better you book the 4/5 star hotel, then let they come in because your are entitled to stay there legally. Not the other way aroound.

Jb.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;2351296]In my opinion, it is better you book the 4/5 star hotel, then let they come in because your are entitled to stay there legally. Not the other way aroound.

Jb.[/QUOTE]Agree. Book a room yourself. I book 5 stars with a large lobby. No one would even pay attention when I walk in with a lady. Having said that, I do think (but I do not always think with the right tool) that it is not worth the hustle any more unless the whole thing provides additional thrill to you. Catch me if you can?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2351279]Thanks for this useful insight. I have a question. In your opinion, which of the following is safest? (A) Girl books room in 4/5 star hotel and I sneak into it. (B) I book room in 4/5 star hotel and she sneaks into it. (C) We each book a room, but only use hers. So neither one of us is sneaking into hotel, but my room is unused.

I've done all 3, but I'm always a little nervous regardless of which option I use.

Thanks, man.[/QUOTE]But does it not raise suspicion if a foreign resident of Shanghai books a 4/5 hotel (expensive) in his own city of residence, just saying.....

Hello,

Got in Shanghai and heard from locals about the crackdown, but that new and old places are opening. Would love for recommendations. I did RTFF but some local places seem hard to find on google maps. So would appreciate directions.

I'm thinking of either spas or outcalls to a 4/5 star hotel.

A local said he knew a place where its about 300 for a good time. You guys think that's trustworthy? It sounds a bit low but could be a steal, what do you guys think?

[QUOTE=Changlelu;2351553]But does it not raise suspicion if a foreign resident of Shanghai books a 4/5 hotel (expensive) in his own city of residence, just saying.....[/QUOTE]You can easily find some excuse for not stay in your own apartment, such as noise, no hot water, AC not working well, etc.

Jb.

Perhaps I'm not searching the forum properly, but I'm not finding any reports on [URL]topshanghaimassage.com[/URL]. Anyone have any experience with this site? Reliable, good value? Seems like it could be an alternative in Shanghai during those times when the MP's and bars are shut down.

MrC.

[QUOTE=BobLeFapper;2352196]Hello,

Got in Shanghai and heard from locals about the crackdown, but that new and old places are opening. Would love for recommendations. I did RTFF but some local places seem hard to find on google maps. So would appreciate directions.

I'm thinking of either spas or outcalls to a 4/5 star hotel.

A local said he knew a place where its about 300 for a good time. You guys think that's trustworthy? It sounds a bit low but could be a steal, what do you guys think?[/QUOTE]Spas are virtually non-existent now. If any are operating, then they are doing it NOT in the open. For outcall, try NightLife (see classifieds and last few pages of reports). Otherwise, you could try a random nearby MP. If the cost is around 168 RMB, has ear cleaning on menu, and providers look like Shrek, then probably a legit place. Otherwise, prepare to spend at least 400-500 for a massage from the "SPA" menu and pay another 300-500 tip for a HJ. Finally, there's not enough info in your last paragraph to provide advice. In general, if you're being pointed to a place that's operating in the open with a sign out front, then probably safe. But if you have to meet someone to take you to this place, then I would pass because it could go either way.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2352562]Spas are virtually non-existent now. If any are operating, then they are doing it NOT in the open. For outcall, try NightLife (see classifieds and last few pages of reports). Otherwise, you could try a random nearby MP. If the cost is around 168 RMB, has ear cleaning on menu, and providers look like Shrek, then probably a legit place. Otherwise, prepare to spend at least 400-500 for a massage from the "SPA" menu and pay another 300-500 tip for a HJ. Finally, there's not enough info in your last paragraph to provide advice. In general, if you're being pointed to a place that's operating in the open with a sign out front, then probably safe. But if you have to meet someone to take you to this place, then I would pass because it could go either way.[/QUOTE]Does Nightlife refer to an app or a site? I'm just starting to get my bearings with figuring out what some terms mean. Like J for Judys and M for Manhattan.

I actually got the recommendation from a taxi driver, he didn't seem keen to give away the location of spa though, only his number. He wanted to get my contacts but I just took his number instead so I can get him if needed. How safe would you think this is? It seems 50-50 here.

After much googling I think NLO refers to the nightlife. Online site? Unfortunately it seems signups are closed, is that true? Sad days if its true.

Anyone got escort recommendations?

[QUOTE=JudeBright;2352391]You can easily find some excuse for not stay in your own apartment, such as noise, no hot water, AC not working well, etc.

Jb.[/QUOTE]Now I think about it, what about: having a quarrel with the wife! Instead of sleeping at the sofa.

[QUOTE=BobLeFapper;2352587]After much googling I think NLO refers to the nightlife. Online site? Unfortunately it seems signups are closed, is that true? Sad days if its true.

Anyone got escort recommendations?[/QUOTE]Send me a PM.

[QUOTE=BobLeFapper;2352587]After much googling I think NLO refers to the nightlife. Online site? Unfortunately it seems signups are closed, is that true? Sad days if its true.

Anyone got escort recommendations?[/QUOTE]I recommend that you register on NLO. It's easy. Signups are not closed. The site has profiles of verified and reliable indies for outcall.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2352828]I recommend that you register on NLO. It's easy. Signups are not closed. The site has profiles of verified and reliable indies for outcall.[/QUOTE]I've gotten in, although am admittedly stunned by the quality there. For the prices (1500 upwards) it seems like quite poor value imo. Theres also about just 10 ladies?

Nonetheless, it definitely feels dry in shanghai. I had a walkabout today and avoided friendly men on the street who offered to fetch me to a ladies world hotel for a 'massage'.

I might check NLO more later and let you guys know if a romp goes through!

[QUOTE=BobLeFapper;2352946]I've gotten in, although am admittedly stunned by the quality there. For the prices (1500 upwards) it seems like quite poor value imo. Theres also about just 10 ladies?
Nonetheless, it definitely feels dry in shanghai. I had a walkabout today and avoided friendly men on the street who offered to fetch me to a ladies world hotel for a 'massage'.
[/QUOTE]Do not follow men or ladies who stops you on the street. Those are just scums! You can read several stories in the tread here; all got robbed.

NLO is very good. Few but quality.

Let us know if you have any story to tell.

Enjoy.

Hey guys,

There is a pretty good dodgy KTV open for business where I know one of the mamasan's. Have been there twice over the last year or so. Quality can vary quite a bit, but we twice got a decent litter (about 20-25) to pick from. Earlier can offer more of a selection, but even that can vary. Occasionally I saw some stunners walking through the hallway. Damage was about 7000 RMB total last time for 3 of us (3500 room, tips for 3 girls + the waitress, mamasan etc expecting tips) Depending on the weather, they do some hot dancing and you get to grope aplenty in the dark at some points. Takeout was usually not a problem, about 1200-1500 RMB.

I'd rather not point out where it is, but if there is enough interest (say 4 people or more), I'd be happy to organize a trip over there if we can find an agreed upon date. PM me if you are interested and we'll go from there.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2352972]Do not follow men or ladies who stops you on the street. Those are just scums! You can read several stories in the tread here; all got robbed.

NLO is very good. Few but quality.

Let us know if you have any story to tell.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Just seconding this post. Three months ago I let my guard down (what was I thinking, I've been in China for over 5 years) and followed a tout. I guess she seemed harmless as a 50-year-old local lady. Quoted me a very cheap price, walked like 10 blocks, got to a KTV looking place. After the service (which wasn't bad), a guy stepped in to ask me how it was. Then he blocked the door and demanded 30,000 RMB, demanded me to open my wallet. I told him I'd go to an ATM and withdraw money, but 30,000 RMB wasn't happening. He made all kinds of threats, physically shoved me around some. After a good half hour they agreed to follow me to an ATM. I don't think they're in the business of killing anyone be / see it's not profitable. But seriously not a good feeling. Stay vigilant out there.

Heard from at least 4 different operators that the 5-0 are back in Shanghai, so everyone is laying low or not putting out. Tried to get a few girls from CityOfLove but they are really squeamish and wanted too much of my info, so I said no thanks. Anyone had luck from CityOfLove before? It seems pretty scam-ish to me.

NLO is really pricey for the quality they offer, to be honest the girls one gets from there can be obtained for a whole lot cheaper, they are just priced at that level because of the overheads required to keep the site running.

Decided to do things the old fashion method, walk the streets, and ask for local info. I got two recommendations from a bellboy while staying at the Pullman Hotel (pretty good). One was near the Guilin Road metro station, next to a bank building. He even helped me to enter the location on Baidu in Chinese, what a gent. Went there, the place was closed, second place though was amazing. Near the French Concession there's a SPA with neon lights. Went in, got led upstairs by the Papasan who then called in some of the most gorgeous girls I have ever met, each 8's or 10's, soft spoken beauties. They came in Stars or 'Xins'. The higher the rating, the higher the price, but in my opinion, even the 500 rmb girls are almost as pretty as the 1500 rmb girls. I got the 1000 rmb girls, and got all my needs met, one of the best massages and pop I ever had.

I could tell everyone is wary though, they even put a huge bolt on the door that could only be opened from the inside, and a door jammer. So that tells you something.

Another day, another spa. Got recognized by the bellboy again and asked him for a recommendation, the trick to striking up a conversation with bellboys or taxi drivers is to ask what's there to do for fun, or better yet, offer them a cigarette and talk in the back, out of earshot of the managers. Same modus operandi, guy called me a cab, talked to the driver in mandarin and off we went. Had a bit of an embarrassing moment because I needed the papasan to give more specific directions, so the bellboy gave me the number, had me call the papasan, who then talked to the driver so he knew where to let me alight. Once I got off, the papasan comes out and confirms you are the guy on the phone, takes you in, and this time the girls were let in one by one. This place, Chinese name that I can't read, had more mature girls who were most definitely mothers, albeit young ones.

One seemed chirpy and smiled at me, so I chose her. Again the same old type of massage where you end up on all fours while she attacks your grapes like low hanging fruit, except this one stuck her fingers in my ass. I don't think these masseuses eat KFC much, what do you guys think? Anyways, the price was cheaper at about 700 RMB, great value but I couldn't get her to fuck me, I think everyone's afraid.

One thing I noticed was that spas can have different names, a legit one and a 'special' one. I remember the name on the outside was 'Xiang' but once inside the guy said welcome to 'Kou Kou'. Its pretty cool, guess that's how they keep the places well hidden.

The only thing I can read is the postal code: 200030.

Its near the Metro City mall on ZhaoJiaBang road.

Anyways, as above, I would say that Shanghai's talent are scarce, and to fuck a real Chinese woman and not a filipino / viet / thai etc is something that takes more research. Be wary and don't do anything too stupid, even the locals are afraid. One way to ask is 'Feng Lai LE Ma?' , meaning 'Is the wind coming? The 'Wind' is a metaphor for the cops.

[QUOTE=BobLeFapper;2354817]Heard from at least 4 different operators that the 5-0 are back in Shanghai, so everyone is laying low or not putting out. Tried to get a few girls from CityOfLove but they are really squeamish and wanted too much of my info, so I said no thanks. Anyone had luck from CityOfLove before? It seems pretty scam-ish to me.

NLO is really pricey for the quality they offer, to be honest the girls one gets from there can be obtained for a whole lot cheaper, they are just priced at that level because of the overheads required to keep the site running.

Decided to do things the old fashion method, walk the streets, and ask for local info. I got two recommendations from a bellboy while staying at the Pullman Hotel (pretty good). One was near the Guilin Road metro station, next to a bank building. He even helped me to enter the location on Baidu in Chinese, what a gent. Went there, the place was closed, second place though was amazing. Near the French Concession there's a SPA with neon lights. Went in, got led upstairs by the Papasan who then called in some of the most gorgeous girls I have ever met, each 8's or 10's, soft spoken beauties. They came in Stars or 'Xins'. The higher the rating, the higher the price, but in my opinion, even the 500 rmb girls are almost as pretty as the 1500 rmb girls. I got the 1000 rmb girls, and got all my needs met, one of the best massages and pop I ever had.

I could tell everyone is wary though, they even put a huge bolt on the door that could only be opened from the inside, and a door jammer. So that tells you something.[/QUOTE]The Shanghai Gang has always been around but in on LP mode for a long time.

Enjoy!

AG.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2352828]I recommend that you register on NLO. It's easy. Signups are not closed. The site has profiles of verified and reliable indies for outcall.[/QUOTE]I don't think its closed. Just registered!

[QUOTE=BobLeFapper;2354817]Heard from at least 4 different operators that the 5-0 are back in Shanghai, so everyone is laying low or not putting out.[/QUOTE]A couple of days ago, I booked a room at Henshan Hotel in Xujiahui. One thing I like about this hotel is there are several staircases leading up to all the floors, so no need to use the elevator. However, there was security everywhere. Not only at the front entrance to the hotel, but there were several security on every floor too, and also security even on every staircase between floors. Outside the hotel, there were police everywhere, and many were doing random identification checks on drivers when they were stopped at red lights. It was crazy. I asked my "GF" what was going on, and I guess the bigwigs from the capital are in town, and they're going to leave this weekend. So hopefully LE activity will settle down.

I'm becoming less of a fan of using hotels to meet girls. So, I've been doing a lot of incalls with indies. Here's a quick report of my incall experience with the girls on Nightlife (see classifieds for the website). BTW, this is ONLY a report of the incall aspect, it is NOT a report of the girl or the session, as there are already many such reports on the NLO website (mine included).

Linda: She lives in a huge compound, maybe 70-80 buildings. I saw plenty of foreigners walking around the compound (I guess they live there too), so if you are a foreigner then you won't stick out. As always, there's security at the compound gates, but because it's not a fancy compound and there is so much foot traffic, the security do nothing. So no problem walking into the compound. Her building is easy to find. She lives alone, so no need to worry about a shared bathroom or a roommate. Her place is actually newly renovated, so everything is new and clean. To get into her building, she will buzz you in.

Maria: She lives in a large stand-alone building on a busy intersection. The first floor of the building is a bunch of small businesses. Entrance into the building is in the back. She lives alone, so no need to worry about a shared bathroom or a roommate. I don't recall there being any security. The elevator does not require a key card. So, you just enter and go up the elevator and knock on her door.

Omochi: She will only provide an intersection or a nearby place outside to meet. Maybe she does this to screen us, but not sure. Anyway, I'm happy that she's careful. She has a roommate, so you should give her significant advance notice so that she can make whatever arrangements with her roommate. Her stand-alone building is on a pretty busy street. There's no security. But either she has to let you into the front gate, or she will buzz you in. Her place is nice. She has a cat in case you're allergic.

Mimi: On her profile, it doesn't say that she offers incall. But she can borrow her friend's place for 200 rmb. So, you need to add 200 rmb to the usual fee. Not sure how long this option is going to last, because the apartment seems un-rented for now, and that could change soon. Right now, the place is practically empty. It's a service apartment. There is a security, but he does not care. Mimi told me it is because he has no idea who lives in the building. The elevator does not require a key card.

Cindy: She must be using the same apartment that Mimi uses, because the address is the same as the one Mimi provides. However, despite my best efforts, I have not been able to see her. One time, she told to "come now" and so I got into a taxi, but then she wanted to video chat with me, which I did not want to do. I guess she wanted to see what I looked like. I told her I'd be at her place in a few minutes and she could check me out in person, but when I arrived she said she was very drunk, so I left.

Mary: Based on her pictures, she's not my type, so I don't have a report to offer on her.

Rina, Cherry, Yoyo, and Louisa also offered incall, but they are no longer on Nightlife. I think Rina and Louisa moved, Yoyo suffered a car injury, and Cherry just quit the site. Too bad that Kitty is in jail. Almost all of her girls offered incall.

Finally, with all of my incall activities, I now have no gripes about paying an extra 200 taxi fee for outcall. It is not just that the taxi rides often do cost almost 200 for round-trip, but it can take a lot of time too.

The girls are complaining, they are over from VN but customers are not entering. Summer vacations? Still a backlash from the crackdown? My take is that hotels are less GF friendly. This place where I stayed, had a rather large aggressive sign up, at the entrance of the elevators: guests had to register, during daytime, and leave at 11 pm.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2356808] Too bad that Kitty is in jail. Almost all of her girls offered incall.[/QUOTE]Whoops. I meant to say it's too bad that "Rain" is in jail. Before she got busted, I was going to write an extensive report on almost all of her girls, but there was frequent turnover with her girls and so I couldn't keep up, haha, and when she eventually got busted my intel became moot of course. Incidentally, speaking of Rain, does "Helen and Friends" still exist? Anyone have any recent experience with them?

East China thread is all about NLO, better to keep away.

Hey all,

In Pudong for a week for work. Was reading a website about Shanghai but none of the info seemed to match (barbershops and the like). Would anyone care to share a bit of info in this region?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=LargeM;2357107]East China thread is all about NLO, better to keep away.[/QUOTE]Why?

I use NLO in Beijing and they have been reliable and safe.

I have tried different service providers and NLO are one option from many.

It is up to the person to use NLO or not.

[QUOTE=LargeM;2357107]East China thread is all about NLO, better to keep away.[/QUOTE]You are more than welcomed to post reports about other places.

While things are meant to cool down a bit by the end of the week from BJ visitors, don't forget:

* October 1st will be the 70 years anniversary of the party.
* China International Import Expo (CIIE) goes live again in Shanghai from Nov 5th to 10th.

Both events which should activate local LE to be more agressive regardless of BJ visitors coming back.
Therefore the typhoon season will be extended quite late this year.

According to NLO, they were raided last night (13th) and many girls were arrested.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2357528]You are more than welcomed to post reports about other places.[/QUOTE]I do have some stable and reliable contacts I got from where I had ever been to. Sh-sauna (previously Lotus sauna, Japanese stuff), Sauna in WuGong Hotel. Can expect 7/10 GFE experience from their girls.

I am not a senior member here and can't have PM.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2358483]According to NLO, they were raided last night (13th) and many girls were arrested.[/QUOTE]I've been in J's a few times, never actually made arrangements with a girl there. But out of curiosity, what happens to the guys when the raid takes place? Are you in trouble for even being there or only if you're talking to the girls?

Also aside from NLO which looks pretty decent. Is there anything left in this city? Feels like I really moved here at the wrong time.

Anyone have any tips on the best places for the good old picking up by being a nice guy?

[QUOTE=PeterFox;2358576]I've been in J's a few times, never actually made arrangements with a girl there. But out of curiosity, what happens to the guys when the raid takes place? Are you in trouble for even being there or only if you're talking to the girls?

Also aside from NLO which looks pretty decent. Is there anything left in this city? Feels like I really moved here at the wrong time.

Anyone have any tips on the best places for the good old picking up by being a nice guy?[/QUOTE]M / J about as safe as it gets in Shanghai. While Chinese authorities could jail you (in a country without due process), it would likely be too much work for them in a private transaction between 2 foreigners. Many patrons just go there to drink and flirt anyway. So M / J, while not 100%, safer than massage parlors, saunas, touts or agencies.

[QUOTE=PeterFox;2358576]Is there anything left in this city? Feels like I really moved here at the wrong time.

Anyone have any tips on the best places for the good old picking up by being a nice guy?[/QUOTE]If you want to pick up girls the old fashioned way, then you can go to any ex-pat hangout, such as Xintiandi, Laowai Street, or any high-end bar / club and meet girls hoping to meet rich dudes. If you're a foreigner, they will automatically think you're rich. But if you're looking for P4 P action, then why not just collect WeChat contacts of MP girls? Many of them are willing to meet you before or after their shift for FS. Some of them will let you go to their apartments. These contacts are especially useful during crackdowns or windy weather. My MO is after I have a good session with an MP girl, I get their WeChat. Then, later that night, before they forget who I am, I exchange friendly chats with them and eventually ask if we can boink. About 1/3 of the time they will be aghast and say no, about 1/3 of the time they will be coy, but about 1/3 of the time they will ask "how much will you give me?" Haha.

What is NLO please?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2358740]If you want to pick up girls the old fashioned way, then you can go to any ex-pat hangout, such as Xintiandi, Laowai Street, or any high-end bar / club and meet girls hoping to meet rich dudes. If you're a foreigner, they will automatically think you're rich. But if you're looking for P4 P action, then why not just collect WeChat contacts of MP girls? Many of them are willing to meet you before or after their shift for FS. Some of them will let you go to their apartments. These contacts are especially useful during crackdowns or windy weather. My MO is after I have a good session with an MP girl, I get their WeChat. Then, later that night, before they forget who I am, I exchange friendly chats with them and eventually ask if we can boink. About 1/3 of the time they will be aghast and say no, about 1/3 of the time they will be coy, but about 1/3 of the time they will ask "how much will you give me?" Haha.[/QUOTE]Hah it actually works in clubs here? I'm not a stranger to going anywhere alone but it can sometimes be hard to make contact.

Regarding WeChat, I assume you do have to be a bit vague with terminology or not? Assuming your conversations might be monitored in some way. Also leaving hard evidence behind which you wouldn't have when negotiating in J's.

Anyway, I might give all of these methods a try and see how it goes. Any special cues for the MP places to look out for?

Thanks all!

[QUOTE=Klaw88;2358980]What is NLO please?[/QUOTE]Shanghai. Nightlife. Online.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2358483]According to NLO, they were raided last night (13th) and many girls were arrested.[/QUOTE]I have been there when the POPO check the girls passports. If they don't have the right paperwork, they get taken away.

Not sure if that's what he meant. No way to arrest a girl in a bar if she's not doing anything. Sex is not illegal in China. Paid sex is. If you and her don't say anything, not much happens. If you admit to paying for it (even if they tell you they just want her) they will arrest you. Don't believe when they say they don't want you.

Hello,

I am travelling to Shanghai in 2 weeks. Can senior members please share contacts for indies in Shanghai?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Tiger21;2359082]Shanghai. Nightlife. Online.[/QUOTE]Could you give me the website please? Can't find it on google.

[QUOTE=JonasBros;2359223]I am travelling to Shanghai in 2 weeks. Can senior members please share contacts for indies in Shanghai?
[/QUOTE]- 1 FR within 5 years.

- 18 posts asking "Can someone share".

- You can't even take 5 min checking the reports from the last 5 pages.

Take the time to read reports already available, contribute and people will gladly help you more if you have other specific requests or if they have plans they can't share in public.

Any intel or thoughts about the coming months? The scene is bleak for my favorite providers. LE closed one venue again, which happens over and over again. The girls just hang around with not much to do besides venture out for a foot massage or send messages home.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2361728]Any intel or thoughts about the coming months?[/QUOTE]Not much more than this:

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2358143]While things are meant to cool down a bit by mid august from BJ visitors, don't forget:

* October 1st will be the 70 years anniversary of the party.
* China International Import Expo (CIIE) goes live again in Shanghai from Nov 5th to 10th.

Both events which should activate local LE to be more agressive regardless of BJ visitors coming back.
Therefore the typhoon season will be extended quite late this year.[/QUOTE]

OK. I know I am not much of a contributor, mostly lurk but figured I'd post this.

Not asking for contacts and pleading for help. I have my own from my times of BTDT.

Anayway. Still have Rain on my Wechat list, haven't seen her use it since her "incident".

Now she (or someone) is posting updates to the last account she used on Wechat.

Posting info about the some girls and their Wechat contact info.

This started on Aug. 18 with some pictures of a dog.

Now today three posts with wechat accounts for three girls she used to have working for her.

The website is just a place holding picture, nothing else.

I've used Rain in the past and always had good luck with her girls.

Had a few favorites. It's been about 3-4 years since I've been in China and I have no clue what's the deal currently.

Starting in a new position coming 2020 and will have to go to China a lot with that job change.

Kinda disappointed to read what's happened there in the last few months.

Sinofaguo,

I tried to send you a PM, but I think your Inbox is full.

[QUOTE=Khaveen;2362868]OK. I know I am not much of a contributor, mostly lurk but figured I'd post this.

Not asking for contacts and pleading for help. I have my own from my times of BTDT.

Anayway. Still have Rain on my Wechat list, haven't seen her use it since her "incident".

Now she (or someone) is posting updates to the last account she used on Wechat.

Posting info about the some girls and their Wechat contact info.

This started on Aug. 18 with some pictures of a dog.

Now today three posts with wechat accounts for three girls she used to have working for her.

The website is just a place holding picture, nothing else.

I've used Rain in the past and always had good luck with her girls.

Had a few favorites. It's been about 3-4 years since I've been in China and I have no clue what's the deal currently.

Starting in a new position coming 2020 and will have to go to China a lot with that job change.

Kinda disappointed to read what's happened there in the last few months.[/QUOTE]If I were you, I'd delete her WeChat account. You're crazy for keeping it. LE obviously was tracking her WeChat account. Just before she got arrested, she changed her WeChat account twice. Anyway, someone told me on August 17 that she is out of jail, after having served a 5 month sentence (her sentence was light because she claimed that she didn't deal with foreigners, LOLOL). So, then, on the next day, you're telling us that her WeChat is active again and she's posting girl's WeChats? Seems unlikely that she'd do this. And remember that she HATED it when anyone tried to get the girls' WeChats. If you asked the girls for it, most would say no because they were afraid of her. So, I doubt Rain is now giving our her girls' WeChats to help them in their new lives as indies. But why not TOFTT? Your contributions would increase INFINITELY (1 divided by 0 equals infinity).

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2363085]Sinofaguo,

I tried to send you a PM, but I think your Inbox is full.

If I were you, I'd delete her WeChat account. You're crazy for keeping it. LE obviously was tracking her WeChat account. Just before she got arrested, she changed her WeChat account twice. Anyway, someone told me on August 17 that she is out of jail, after having served a 5 month sentence (her sentence was light because she claimed that she didn't deal with foreigners, LOLOL). So, then, on the next day, you're telling us that her WeChat is active again and she's posting girl's WeChats? Seems unlikely that she'd do this. And remember that she HATED it when anyone tried to get the girls' WeChats. If you asked the girls for it, most would say no because they were afraid of her. So, I doubt Rain is now giving our her girls' WeChats to help them in their new lives as indies. But why not TOFTT? Your contributions would increase INFINITELY (1 divided by 0 equals infinity).[/QUOTE]Deleting her WecCat on my WeChat account doesn't help. The associate is already in the server that runs WeChat. Plus deleting the account on my end does nothing on her end or on the server.

As for what she's doing I can't even begin to guess. After a 5 month sentence to go back to doing what put you in the cooler in the first place doesn't seem like a logical move.

Maybe she's turned over a new leaf? TOFTT? I don't think so unless I can get a throw away WeChat account.

[QUOTE=Khaveen;2363213]Deleting her WecCat on my WeChat account doesn't help. The associate is already in the server that runs WeChat. Plus deleting the account on my end does nothing on her end or on the server.

As for what she's doing I can't even begin to guess. After a 5 month sentence to go back to doing what put you in the cooler in the first place doesn't seem like a logical move.

Maybe she's turned over a new leaf? TOFTT? I don't think so unless I can get a throw away WeChat account.[/QUOTE]That's why never use a wechat attached to your identity for mongering. Period.

It's probably not Rain but LE trying to. Draw you in. I also recommend you delete her as a contact.

I have scoured the web but could not find much on Ningbo. I will be there for a few months from next week and would love to enjoy myself. I know it's close to Shanghai, but work is going to keep me pretty busy so I'm not sure how often I can head up there.

Any recommendations welcome. I heard rumor there's an actual red light district here, and that would be amazing.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=RW141;2356838]The girls are complaining, they are over from VN but customers are not entering. Summer vacations? Still a backlash from the crackdown? My take is that hotels are less GF friendly. This place where I stayed, had a rather large aggressive sign up, at the entrance of the elevators: guests had to register, during daytime, and leave at 11 pm.[/QUOTE]Hi all,

Anymore updated on M and J. Are they still operating?

Also regarding Hotels being less girl friendly. Any update on this as well?

I will be in Shanghai next week. Just getting my ducks in a row.

Thanks in Advance.

Red.

I have just heard about a LE ride in Baoshan area at massage club (s). Girls were arrested. No information about customers.

Please stay alerted. Keep safe.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=RedHawk;2363942]Hi all,

Anymore updated on M and J. Are they still operating?

Also regarding Hotels being less girl friendly. Any update on this as well?

I will be in Shanghai next week. Just getting my ducks in a row.

Thanks in Advance.

Red.[/QUOTE]I've heard from two different girls today that M&J will close in September for about 2 months.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2364022]I have just heard about a LE ride in Baoshan area at massage club (s). Girls were arrested. No information about customers.

Please stay alerted. Keep safe.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]- 4 days ago raids in Hongkou district.

- 6 days ago raids in Gonghe road in Baoshan district & and Datong road Zhabei (now part of Jingan) district.

- 10 days ago yinghua road in Pudong district.

- 2 weeks ago Changning / Putuo district.

Yes LE has to score before the national day like every year, except this year is the 70th anniversary of the party and its going to get hurt after that because of the import expo in November.

So watch out.

[QUOTE=MVPmarch;2363918]I have scoured the web but could not find much on Ningbo. I will be there for a few months from next week and would love to enjoy myself. I know it's close to Shanghai, but work is going to keep me pretty busy so I'm not sure how often I can head up there.

Any recommendations welcome. I heard rumor there's an actual red light district here, and that would be amazing.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Worked in Ningbo for many years and visited there again in July. Ningbo has always been hard for non-Chinese. The guys that wanted action would go to Shanghai on the weekend. There used to be some massage places where you could get a happy ending but they have all closed. Your best bet is to hang out at the bars at laowaitan or the bars near the Shearaton. Make friends with some of the expats and see if they know where any action is. Be careful trying to hustle the bargirls as most are there just for the money and will not have sex with you. That said it is not hard to find a Chinese girlfriend who will be happy to take care of you. Good luck!

Are there still ANY cities in China with a great sauna scene or is everything completely washed out these days? Even the smaller cities have been cleaned up? Looking for a place to play. Speak Chinese and like Chinese girls.

Thanks for the intel. With hotels becoming stricter, and with all the MP raids, I've been doing incalls. Linda on NightLife (see classifieds) is hassle free. Saw her again last week. Sweet girl. Great service. A bargain at 1200.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2364060]- 4 days ago raids in Hongkou district.

- 6 days ago raids in Gonghe road in Baoshan district & and Datong road Zhabei (now part of Jingan) district.

- 10 days ago yinghua road in Pudong district.

- 2 weeks ago Changning / Putuo district.

Yes LE has to score before the national day like every year, except this year is the 70th anniversary of the party and its going to get hurt after that because of the import expo in November.

So watch out.[/QUOTE].

So. Anyway noted this today, from Rain's WeChat:

"I am out business, if anyone want be girls friends can add girl alone! Thanks".

And-.

"I will still keep this Wechat for some old friends".

She posed QR Codes for Abby, Bess, Cindy, Fan and Linda.

FYI- I have two WeChat accounts, one for legit and one not. FYI.

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Hey guys,

Just finished a month long trip to China and wanted to give back to the community that helped me so much. This is my second time mongering in Shanghai and I stayed about 2 weeks. I'm pretty tired right now so I'll probably release these posts in bursts.

Day 1:

At first I considered going back to the old classics that I did last time I was here. E. g. Wenli, cherry, ect. But I figured I would try something new this time. So day 1 I decided to go to Judy's and Manhattan to see what all of the buzz was about. At about 10 I took a taxi to Manhattan and immediately I was shocked at how seedy the whole street looked. The street on one side is filled with shops with bright lights like the Blind pig and Manhattan but on the other side it's old residential building and the street is filled with groups of old Chinese guys smoking. I went into Manhattan and expecting a large 2 story club like you'd see in Vegas or something but it was more the size of a smaller dive bar. Coming in you'll immediately notice how packed the bar was with people. The night I went there was probably at least 2 guys for every girl and the whole place was so crowded it would take you about 5 minutes to get from one side to the other. All the girls were already talking to guys at the table so it took me a while before I could talk to anyone. Since I didn't have a table and it was too crowded to move I ordered a beer at the bar and observed the place for a couple of minutes. Looking from the bar you'll see about 10-15 tables with a group of guys and 1 or 2 girls talking to them. Occasionally you will see a girl walking around or by herself in a corner looking at her phone. After working up some courage I started talking to the girls not working tables and was surprised how easy the experience was. I first opened with complimenting them and introducing myself. After flirting and getting to know them a little bit I would ask them how much to take them out. Every girl I talked to at Manhattan quoted me around 1500 rmb and to my surprise every single one of them was willing to do BBBJ and DFK. While I was really tempted with some of the girls, (seriously 4 of the girls I talked were some of the hottest WG I've seen in Shanghai ever) I wanted to check out Judy's first so I left at around 11:30. Judy's is down the street from Manhattan so if you are confused like I was, just keep going down the street away for the Blind Pig and eventually you will find it. Judy's has a completely different vibe than Manhattan, it's much more dive bar-why with live music and about half the amount of people in the same amount of space. Judy's ratio was slightly better but still overwhelmingly male. Maybe it's the more clear lighting but it seemed that the average Judy's girl was not as attractive as the average Manhattan girl. Anyway it was way easier to talk to girls here since it was quieter and a lot less people. After talking to 2 girls one older girl with short hair who offered 2000 and another younger girl with long black hair and little chub, I went to the bathroom and was planning on leaving back to Manhattan afterwards. After leaving the bathroom, I was approached by Sierra. She was pretty short with big tits and a face that kinda looked like Kim Kardashian. She immediately started rubbing up on me and feeling me up and whispered in my ear she would do anything I wanted for 1500. I knew right away that this was the one so I immediately left with her back to my hotel.

In the taxi ride over she would rub my hand on her thigh and kiss me. She was so good I almost finished before we even got to the hotel. Once in the hotel, she immediately undressed while I was putting my stuff away and launched into a 5 minute deep kiss with a very liberal amount of tongue. After kissing we stepped in the shower where we rubbed all over each other with the soap. She commented she was surprised at how big I was since I am an ABC with a 7" which while average in the US is apparently really large for Asians. After the shower she wanted to take some pictures with me so we took a few selfies with filters and then she took a picture of my cock with her hand next to it for reference LMAO. After the pictures, she pushed me down on the couch and started making out with me again while rubbing my cock with her pussy. I sucked on her tongue for about a minute and then she got down on her knees and started sucking. I admit that she wasn't the best at BJs as she occasionally would use teeth but she was so enthusiastic about it that it still felt really good. Then she started licking my balls and taint while slowly stroking my cock. At this point it took everything in my power not to burst as I was clenching my butt like I was hiding cocaine from the TSA. Once Sierra was done blowing, she grabbed my hand and led me to the bed and slowly inserted my cock into her dripping wet pussy. After sliding it in she started rhythmically riding me cowgirl and I noticed for the first time how big her ass was. Seriously guys, this thing was no joke. It was something that you would be impressed to see on a Brazilian chick but on a 5'1 Vietnamese girl I felt like I had found a unicorn. Safe to say, I gave that ass a few good smacks and she instantly moaned after every one. I noticed her hips slowing down so I switched to missionary and finished the deed while slowly kissing her. As I was finishing inside her I could feel her pussy clench up every few seconds and felt the sweat on her back. We both rolled over and began cuddling in the bed. After cuddling for a few minutes, she asked if she could sleep here. I didn't really want to pay extra for a LT but I was on a post nut high and didn't care. We cuddled for the rest of the night and I slept like a baby. In the morning, she woke me up and began making out with me again. She then straddled on top of me under the covers and rode as fast as she could until I nutted inside of her. After, she surprisingly only asked for the agreed upon 1500 as I was expecting to pay at least 3000 for the whole night. She asked for my wechat information and asked if we could meet again. I agreed and after sending her away in a taxi went downstairs for my free breakfast buffet.

This was my first real report so I'm not too sure I'm doing this right. Let me know I should make this shorter or something. Hope this will be helpful to future mongers in Shanghai, more to come later.

[QUOTE=Tiger21;2365532]Hey guys,

Just finished a month long trip to China and wanted to give back to the community that helped me so much. This is my second time mongering in Shanghai and I stayed about 2 weeks. I'm pretty tired right now so I'll probably release these posts

This was my first real report so I'm not too sure I'm doing this right. Let me know I should make this shorter or something. Hope this will be helpful to future mongers in Shanghai, more to come later.[/QUOTE]Just perfect report. Looking for more. I recommend Mary from NLO.

[QUOTE=Joegoza;2365776]Just perfect report. Looking for more. I recommend Mary from NLO.[/QUOTE]Open question?

How recent was report?

Asking the group, are J&M fully up and running again. Done search but up until this report, last reports were from June.

Have a business dinner in shanghai this Thursday, and I'd like to plan a tasty dessert.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=KinkyGinge;2365906]Open question?

How recent was report?

Asking the group, are J&M fully up and running again. Done search but up until this report, last reports were from June.

Have a business dinner in shanghai this Thursday, and I'd like to plan a tasty dessert.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I was just in Judy's and Manhattan last week, so I can confirm business as usual as per the excellent report.

I pulled Linh, a 21-yr old innocent looking pretty girl from Judy's one night, and then Lisa, a 32-yr MILF with a good body from Manhattan the next night.

Both were good, delivered DFK and BBBJ, and both asked 1500 short time. I was in a hurry and didn't want to negotiate, so just took them immediately. Linh was sweet but a bit shy, not so experienced, but I enjoyed her. Lisa was a sex tiger. She was on me like a porn star and we had wild physical sex in so many positions. Both were excellent in their own way, so I was happy with them both.

There weren't as many girls in both bars as I remembered from my previous trips, but I was there pretty early (about 10 pm). The high-quality (rated 8-9) girls were all taken by groups, the rest were 6 to 7's, but I'd rate the two I saw as 7.5 in looks.

[QUOTE=RTheMan;2366105]I was just in Judy's and Manhattan last week, so I can confirm business as usual as per the excellent report.

I pulled Linh, a 21-yr old innocent looking pretty girl from Judy's one night, and then Lisa, a 32-yr MILF with a good body from Manhattan the next night.

Both were good, delivered DFK and BBBJ, and both asked 1500 short time. I was in a hurry and didn't want to negotiate, so just took them immediately. Linh was sweet but a bit shy, not so experienced, but I enjoyed her. Lisa was a sex tiger. She was on me like a porn star and we had wild physical sex in so many positions. Both were excellent in their own way, so I was happy with them both.

There weren't as many girls in both bars as I remembered from my previous trips, but I was there pretty early (about 10 pm). The high-quality (rated 8-9) girls were all taken by groups, the rest were 6 to 7's, but I'd rate the two I saw as 7.5 in looks.[/QUOTE]Sooooo glad to hear M and Js are back. Manhattan is one of my favorite worldwide venues. Clearly it has not fully recovered yet based on the reports. I am used to the girls far out numbering the guys. Packed with hotties. Hopefully it will return to full glory soon.

Hi!

I'm going on a business trip to Shanghai, and I've never been to China. Would like to have some fun at my hotel, but need some advice to make this a good experience.

Earlier post have mentioned Judy's and Manhattan. What can I expect in terms of price? And since I'm a novice, how does it work?

Can anybody recommend a good hotel or accommodation, that will allow or "see the other way", when I bring the girls with me?

Thank's a million!

Intercontinental Pudong, Intercon Puxi, Portman Ritz (very close), Hilton Puxi.

Most 5-star will be supportive, but if they ask the girl to register, register her. Just follow their lead, they are looking out for you. This is assuming your girl can register.

Try to get back before 10-11 pm, which may not be realistic from KTV / bar.

If you don't register, I've been in elevators with the cops and hotel manager going to some poor unsuspecting fool's room. Don't use "look nearby", I don't think entrapment is a thing here.

Not my image, caption, or dick, but the red rope used to be the best thing about the Shanghai scene. Maybe one day we'll see its triumphant return. RIP red rope.

[QUOTE=Intransit;2366735]Not my image, caption, or dick, but the red rope used to be the best thing about the Shanghai scene. Maybe one day we'll see its triumphant return. RIP red rope.[/QUOTE]And I am so sad I never had the opportunity to try it.

[QUOTE=Bunkster33;2366660]Hi!

I'm going on a business trip to Shanghai, and I've never been to China. Would like to have some fun at my hotel, but need some advice to make this a good experience.

Can anybody recommend a good hotel or accommodation, that will allow or "see the other way", when I bring the girls with me?

Thank's a million![/QUOTE]Many 5 star hotels have restaurants on the 2nd, 3rd, and / or 4th floors. You don't need a key card to access those floors, so you can meet the girl on those floors if you are ordering outcall. If you are walking in with a girl, then as someone else mentioned, try to do it as early as possible, like before 10 pm or 11 pm. Otherwise, it will may appear obvious that you are bringing a WG into your room at 2 am. But even if you do bring a girl into the hotel at 2 am and security asks you to register the girl, then just register the girl. Yeah, pretty much every 5 star hotel has security on duty. But the hotel really doesn't care that you have a WG in your room. They only care about protecting you, since you are their responsibility.

[QUOTE=Bunkster33;2366660]Hi!

I'm going on a business trip to Shanghai, and I've never been to China. Would like to have some fun at my hotel, but need some advice to make this a good experience.

Earlier post have mentioned Judy's and Manhattan. What can I expect in terms of price? And since I'm a novice, how does it work?

Can anybody recommend a good hotel or accommodation, that will allow or "see the other way", when I bring the girls with me?

Thank's a million![/QUOTE]An interesting custom in China is that women keep their name after marriage. So anytime a man and woman check into a hotel they will usually have different family names. When I was in Shanghai in July I was staying at the Fairmont Peace hotel on the Bund, because I had promised my Chinese lady friend we would stay there. I am coming in from Beijing and she is already in Shanghai, so she beats me to the hotel by a couple of hours. She just tells the front desk that she is my wife and hands them a credit card and they go ahead and let her check in. When I get there and check in they tell me my wife is already in the room. I am an American male with a very English last name. I thought it was kinda strange that they did this, but then again how would they tell without demanding marriage certificate? Anyway the Peace Hotel is a great historic 5 star hotel, but getting to it can be a pain because of traffic.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2367030]. When I get there and check in they tell me my wife is already in the room. I am an American male with a very English last name. I thought it was kinda strange that they did this, but then again how would they tell without demanding marriage certificate? Anyway the Peace Hotel is a great historic 5 star hotel, but getting to it can be a pain because of traffic.[/QUOTE]I had a 24 year old Chinese girlfriend for about 2 years. Those were the day! I was 48! If anyone knows higher math 48 goes into 24 a lot of times!! Haha.

Anyway, after I checked her in a couple times, they had her on record, when she got off work at 2 am, (she was a massage girl), she would stop by, sign in and come up. I didn't even have to get out of bed. They knew she was with me.

I'm calling this the Muslim jack shack due to having gone on a Friday and realizing it was smack dab in the middle of the weekly Muslim market. And my girl looked kinda turk-ey (not turkey). You can search Muslim market to find the location, but won't do you much good as you have to be led into the shop (no store front). It's a simple mom-and-pop-and-gang operation, there is a waiting area you can view the girls (one-by-one). There are probably 8-10 girls there. I saw 6 of them, they are all passable, no fatties, and none over 30 (in my estimation).

Half-hearted massage, top roaming, then some Dongguan-ish catbath, then ball play. No BJ on offer for me.

YMMV, I added another session, did bottom roaming, fingering. I got 610. She has Tom Brady deflate-gate boobage. But attitude, other areas of perkiness was good for me. Private shower.

500 for 1 sesh. All in all not bad value these days in sh. Not much actual massage service for relaxation, but wild enough to get off.

They have a higher end (or maybe more exp) shop about 1 km away, will give that a try next week.

[QUOTE=Intransit;2366735]Not my image, caption, or dick, but the red rope used to be the best thing about the Shanghai scene. Maybe one day we'll see its triumphant return. RIP red rope.[/QUOTE]Never been to Shanghai, but when I lived in Haerbin there was a girl who worked at the Red Rain Bath on JiangGuoBei Lu with big pointy nipples who used to do that red rope trick of deep throat me while dangling from the ceiling. Good times.

[QUOTE=BisuBisu;2367521]I'm calling this the Muslim jack shack due to having gone on a Friday and realizing it was smack dab in the middle of the weekly Muslim market. And my girl looked kinda turk-ey (not turkey). You can search Muslim market to find the location, but won't do you much good as you have to be led into the shop (no store front). It's a simple mom-and-pop-and-gang operation, there is a waiting area you can view the girls (one-by-one). There are probably 8-10 girls there. I saw 6 of them, they are all passable, no fatties, and none over 30 (in my estimation).

Half-hearted massage, top roaming, then some Dongguan-ish catbath, then ball play. No BJ on offer for me.

YMMV, I added another session, did bottom roaming, fingering. I got 610. She has Tom Brady deflate-gate boobage. But attitude, other areas of perkiness was good for me. Private shower.

500 for 1 sesh. All in all not bad value these days in sh. Not much actual massage service for relaxation, but wild enough to get off.

They have a higher end (or maybe more exp) shop about 1 km away, will give that a try next week.[/QUOTE]Not sure how this report is of any use, unless you provide a location.

Hey guys,

I was just talking to one of my contacts in Shanghai and she mentioned that Judy's and Manhattan charge the WG about 1000 rmb every week or so, otherwise they are no longer allowed at the bar. I'm not sure if this is true for every girl but I saw her wechat conversations with the manager for Judy's. Anyways do with the information as you will, I thought it might help some of you in negotiating.

[QUOTE=Tiger21;2368060]Hey guys,

I was just talking to one of my contacts in Shanghai and she mentioned that Judy's and Manhattan charge the WG about 1000 rmb every week or so, otherwise they are no longer allowed at the bar. I'm not sure if this is true for every girl but I saw her wechat conversations with the manager for Judy's. Anyways do with the information as you will, I thought it might help some of you in negotiating.[/QUOTE]Yes, when The Spot was moved, a few months ago, next / above J: the WGs were obliged to enter the Spot first and have a drink to spice things up. Seems that the 2 places had the same management. BTW, The Spot should not have moved, it was perfect with the outdoor seating, I don't know the new place on The Nanjing road corner, but will try it next time.

Can anyone tell me how to find this amazing service in Shanghai?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Intransit;2366735]Not my image, caption, or dick, but the red rope used to be the best thing about the Shanghai scene. Maybe one day we'll see its triumphant return. RIP red rope.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tiger21;2368060]Hey guys,

I was just talking to one of my contacts in Shanghai and she mentioned that Judy's and Manhattan charge the WG about 1000 rmb every week or so, otherwise they are no longer allowed at the bar. [/QUOTE]Just as another data point, I've heard the same from several Viet girls independently.

Dropped by Manhattan at 10.00 pm last Sunday.

Have not visited Shanghai in about a decade, so I've zero reference point to comment on it's trajectory. But the place was about 70% full, so not bad for a Sunday.

The most interesting change was that the best talent only wanted to go with Japanese, Korean and North Asian men generally. The extent of this surprised me. In hindsight, it probably should not have. It went down like this.

Walked through the door. Usual set up. Women around the fringes. Best towards the front, worst towards the back where lighting is darkest.

Surprise No. 1: Most of the tables accommodated 2-3 men, drinking and shooting shit. Out of about 20 tables of men, maybe only 3 or 4 of them had attracted women to sit or stand with them. I began to wonder why.

Surprise No. 2: Immediately grabbed a drink at the bar and began a walk around the edges, assessing prospects. Standard was good enough. Lots of 6-7's and a surprisingly good number of 7-8's. Thought I even caught a glimpse of a few 8-9's. Of course these ratings might go down a notch if viewing at the beach, but in the dim light of M, they were better than I anticipated. We all have different classifications, but if you dial-up or down my scores by 1, you'll be about right. I began to think tonight would be a success.

Surprise No. 3: Approached Viet hottie by the side wall. Solid 8, about 20 yo who responded with a smile. Began to chat, but approach went cold. Like, ice old. Moved on within a couple of minutes to Viet hottie number 2, similar age and rating. Same shit show. Smile, introduce, then cold. Checked myself to see if I had two heads, vomit on my shirt or some sort of new growth on my face, but immediately realized that I had the usual form that gets me laid at bars in my home town. Began to think WTF but reminded myself that M is like shooting in a barrel and got over it in a millisecond.

Surprise No. 4: Grabbed a table near the front. Hot Russian pole dancers disrobed within reach, reminding me of wives and girlfriends. Then bar manager brings two Korean or Japanese dudes to the table next to me. I immediately sense movement by the back wall. Like some sort of seismic event. Within a blink of an eye, two of the youngest 9's in the place appear, floating within a foot or two of the new Jap-orean dudes. The guys order 12 Corona's and then another three 8-9's arrive. Holy fuck, these are the same women who blanked me. So I'm now catching on to the fact that seemingly all the best, youngest tottie were hunting a particular type of man.

Meanwhile, Viet hottie number 3 swings by for a chat with me, seemingly following the swarm of chicks around the table next to me. She looked like a low-light 9 but no doubt a solid mid-20's 7-8. My MO for the evening was to smash and grab, so I probed for potential. Positive responses to all the tough questions. Promised all the tricks, super friendly, good enough english, 1. 5 K for a fling and 2. 5 K until tomorrow. Explained that I don't need sleep, that I want to repeat all night lomg and the deal was done within 20 minutes of arrival. Out the door and into the street.

Seasoned observers will see the mistake that I made. For the rest of you, here it is.

Back in the room, she's super friendly. Great body. Pretty face. Natural looking fake tits. Good all round 8 in the well lot hotel room. DFK, BBBJ with lots of spit. So far so good.

Asks for cash up front. Fuck. Are you kidding. Conversation ensues. I don't bend my rule of cash after. Never will. But I do show her the cash in the safe so she knows its there and we get back to business.

Get fucking and this chick is great. Really into it. I've put the awkward cash demand behind me and am back in the moment.

I hear her tell me something anls I am doing her from behind. I thought she said 'again'. We'd been fucking for about 5 mins, so I'm taking this as a good sign. So I keep going at it for another 5 mins. The fucking was great, but gentle enough by my book. We were just warming up. The missus gets fucked way rougher / harder / longer / deeper than this.

I go to change from position No1, to try a second position, and said hooker tells me she has 'pain'. I'm thinking, FTF? This is your occupation, we've been at it for about 10 mins in low to moderate intensity. I'm average size at best, probably less than. She can't be serious.

So she goes for a blow job for a few minutes befire I enquire on the well being of her pussy.

She tells me it's to painful. Again, WTF? That I'm too big, WTF?

Long story short, she wants to sleep and presumably hide her pussy from me until morning and take the full freight cash payment. I tell her it's time for her to go, that she's hit, the fuck was good for the few minutes it lasted and that here is the 1.5 k she earned in the hour or so that she had been in the room. That's a shitload of cash by the way, in any middle-class setting. I was being generous because I realized that I had let myself be screwed and that it was my fault for not seeing the signs.

A few minutes of debate and I kick her out quietly with 2 K.

Moral of the story. 1) The hotties at M are hunting north Asian dudes, seeking quick, light fuck for full price; 2) when the ***** demanded cash up front, I should have given her 200 K and said goodbye immediately; 3) I was played and should have seen the signs right back at the bar when I was approached, as she was obviously too keen and I was pussy whipped by the situation playing out.

Lesson learned.

Interestingly, both hotel rooms on either side of mine (4 star hotel) played out some high emotion hooker crying. 'You pay me', 'I am very angry' kind of shit. I reckon they are playing the game at M.

I second that. I was also in M on Sunday too. Last time I was there was probably a year ago.

And what a difference. Lot less ladies and more Asian men. I also noticed the hotties where only interested in Asian men, as not many ladies so they could take their pick of the crop. I soon bolted and went to J's.

J's was a similar story however some of the girls in there looked very young, I was wondering if one or two of them were [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord903][CodeWord903][/url].

The hotties were cold. So I settled for an older lady. Warmed up to her inside and we had a great time in the bar and in the room. I had 2 rounds and asked her to leave as I had work the next day. Damage 2 k as I gave her a 500 tip, hoping the word gets around to her younger friends. Will pop in again tomorrow to see if that worked. However it could go south if she latches on.

[QUOTE=HookLineSinker;2369079]Dropped by Manhattan at 10.00 pm last Sunday.

Have not visited Shanghai in about a decade, so I've zero reference point to comment on it's trajectory. But the place was about 70% full, so not bad for a Sunday.

The most interesting change was that the best talent only wanted to go with Japanese, Korean and North Asian men generally. The extent of this surprised me. In hindsight, it probably should not have. It went down like this.

Walked through the door. Usual set up. Women around the fringes. Best towards the front, worst towards the back where lighting is darkest.

Surprise No. 1: Most of the tables accommodated 2-3 men, drinking and shooting shit. Out of about 20 tables of men, maybe only 3 or 4 of them had attracted women to sit or stand with them..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bexitrum;2368934]Can anyone tell me how to find this amazing service in Shanghai?[/QUOTE]Why would anyone bother telling you anything when you haven't contributed to a single field report.
Besides this kind of activity even when saunas were still massivly around has been removed following some incidents several years ago. Hence why the post you answered to is written using the past tense.

Couple of weeks ago, I ran across a great deal for an airline ticket to Shanghai from the East Coast city which I'm from. Only $379 round trip on a decent airline. Had a bunch of Marriott points to burn so I thought I'd have myself my first overseas hobby adventure. Never mind that I don't know a lick of Chinese. I quickly bought the ticket before the sale ended thinking about all the tales I'd heard about the terrific and plentiful action in Shanghai. Few days ago, I get around to doing some research and ran across this great site. Much to my dismay, I start reading page after page about how abysmal things are with the LE crackdown and lack of action anywhere. It really kind of depressing to think what I missed in earlier times. Only wish I was there to see it.

Anyway, given the state of affairs in Shanghai, I think I should just cancel my trip. I was looking forward to seeing the sites and getting to know Shanghai, but my goal was to have fun at night too. With my lack of knowledge and experience in Shanghai, feels like my odds are low that I'll be very successful. While my ticket is non-refundable, eating $400 is better than spending the several thousands I was prepared to spend. Anyway, I feel like an idiot for not doing more research ahead of time but was really hoping for some feedback from those with more experience.

Should I cancel or is it worth salvaging somehow?

[QUOTE=Xavter;2369712]Couple of weeks ago, I ran across a great deal for an airline ticket to Shanghai from the East Coast city which I'm from. Only $379 round trip on a decent airline. Had a bunch of Marriott points to burn so I thought I'd have myself my first overseas hobby adventure. Never mind that I don't know a lick of Chinese. I quickly bought the ticket before the sale ended thinking about all the tales I'd heard about the terrific and plentiful action in Shanghai. Few days ago, I get around to doing some research and ran across this great site. Much to my dismay, I start reading page after page about how abysmal things are with the LE crackdown and lack of action anywhere. It really kind of depressing to think what I missed in earlier times. Only wish I was there to see it.

Anyway, given the state of affairs in Shanghai, I think I should just cancel my trip.

Should I cancel or is it worth salvaging somehow?[/QUOTE]I'll leave it to more experienced locals to advise you. But I've spotted USD $200 return flights from Shanghai to Manila. It's about a 3 hour journey. Why not spend a few days in Shanghai, as there is lots of tourist stuff to do and you can still test the local establishments that work for you. Then play more in Manila. The extra USD200 for the unplanned flights will actually save you cash overall. Accommodation and enjoyment are way cheaper in Manila.

[QUOTE=Xavter;2369712]Couple of weeks ago, I ran across a great deal for an airline ticket to Shanghai from the East Coast city which I'm from. Only $379 round trip on a decent airline. Had a bunch of Marriott points to burn so I thought I'd have myself my first overseas hobby adventure. Never mind that I don't know a lick of Chinese. I quickly bought the ticket before the sale ended thinking about all the tales I'd heard about the terrific and plentiful action in Shanghai. Few days ago, I get around to doing some research and ran across this great site. Much to my dismay, I start reading page after page about how abysmal things are with the LE crackdown and lack of action anywhere. It really kind of depressing to think what I missed in earlier times. Only wish I was there to see it.

Anyway, given the state of affairs in Shanghai, I think I should just cancel my trip. I was looking forward to seeing the sites and getting to know Shanghai, but my goal was to have fun at night too. With my lack of knowledge and experience in Shanghai, feels like my odds are low that I'll be very successful. While my ticket is non-refundable, eating $400 is better than spending the several thousands I was prepared to spend. Anyway, I feel like an idiot for not doing more research ahead of time but was really hoping for some feedback from those with more experience.

Should I cancel or is it worth salvaging somehow?[/QUOTE]If this is your first trip to China you can go to Manhattan or Judy's and pick up a 6 and she will look like a 9 to you. It takes awhile in Asia before you get used to Asian beauty standards. If you don't want to do that then for another $300 you can buy a round trip ticket to Bangkok. Asia is a wonderful place to visit. Go while you can.

[QUOTE=Xavter;2369712]Couple of weeks ago, I ran across a great deal for an airline ticket to Shanghai from the East Coast city which I'm from. Only $379 round trip on a decent airline. Had a bunch of Marriott points to burn so I thought I'd have myself my first overseas hobby adventure. Never mind that I don't know a lick of Chinese. I quickly bought the ticket before the sale ended thinking about all the tales I'd heard about the terrific and plentiful action in Shanghai. Few days ago, I get around to doing some research and ran across this great site. Much to my dismay, I start reading page after page about how abysmal things are with the LE crackdown and lack of action anywhere. It really kind of depressing to think what I missed in earlier times. Only wish I was there to see it.

Anyway, given the state of affairs in Shanghai, I think I should just cancel my trip. I was looking forward to seeing the sites and getting to know Shanghai, but my goal was to have fun at night too. With my lack of knowledge and experience in Shanghai, feels like my odds are low that I'll be very successful. While my ticket is non-refundable, eating $400 is better than spending the several thousands I was prepared to spend. Anyway, I feel like an idiot for not doing more research ahead of time but was really hoping for some feedback from those with more experience.

Should I cancel or is it worth salvaging somehow?[/QUOTE]As someone who has lived in Shanghai for the last 10 years, I would say right now is by far the worst time to monger and things will not get better any time soon. All the amazing saunas are long gone, and the remaining options are super expensive with average service. For the price of a girl at Manhattans / Judy's, you would be better off saving that money for places like Thailand, Philippines, or Indonesia where you will get much more "bang" for your buck and better service. Sure, you might stumble upon an occasional gem at M & J, but you will be competing with tons of Chinese punters who are top of the food chain at those establishments. On top of this, the weather in Shanghai has been very risky this year, and with the upcoming National Week (70th anniversary of founding of PRC, quite a big deal for the country), there is an elevated risk of LE activity. M & J have been raided before. There are online options like Nightlife Online and Massage Republic, but the quality is not great. I would say, if you have time, fly to SH but add on a side trip to TH / PH / ID and save your money for those places. Safe travels.

[QUOTE=Xavter;2369712]

Anyway, given the state of affairs in Shanghai, I think I should just cancel my trip. I was looking forward to seeing the sites and getting to know Shanghai, but my goal was to have fun at night too. With my lack of knowledge and experience in Shanghai, feels like my odds are low that I'll be very successful. While my ticket is non-refundable, eating $400 is better than spending the several thousands I was prepared to spend. Anyway, I feel like an idiot for not doing more research ahead of time but was really hoping for some feedback from those with more experience.

Should I cancel or is it worth salvaging somehow?[/QUOTE]You saw the recent excellent reports on M and J from HookLineSinker and Tiger21. So, if that's your thing, then those are options. However, reliable intel from other members suggest that those joints might soon close temporarily with the 70th anniversary of CCP around the corner. The outcall agencies are unreliable IMHO, with the exception of Nightlife. The strange thing about Shanghai is that they don't have discreet MPs with FS on the menu that SPECIALLY cater to Westerners like they do in Beijing (but these types of establishments suck anyway because the girls are usually old 3's, so no big loss). And now there are no BBSs or saunas, at least none that are easily accessible. This leaves MPs, but standard tip is 300 for mechanical HJ. Hope this helps with your decision.

Hi folks,

I am staying in one of the better 5* hotels in Xintiandi, I leave shanghai tomorrow and fancied a good legit massage in my hotel spa. Now the Spa is expensive and you expect a nice massage.

Started off good but not fantastic, she kept asking me questions when I wanted to chill. On the flip she started teasing me by touching my cock and licking my nipples.

Please I said to myself, not today I want to relax.

She asked for 1000 I counter offered 500. After much negotiating from her side she finally caved and gave me a very mediocre HJ. I did let my fingers inside her knickers and she was proper wet, I fingered her while she was giving me attention. It drove her wild.

I'm now in my room and getting ready for bed.

Take care guys.

Red.

[QUOTE=RedHawk;2370665]Hi folks,

I am staying in one of the better 5* hotels in Xintiandi, I leave shanghai tomorrow and fancied a good legit massage in my hotel spa. Now the Spa is expensive and you expect a nice massage.

Started off good but not fantastic, she kept asking me questions when I wanted to chill. On the flip she started teasing me by touching my cock and licking my nipples.

Please I said to myself, not today I want to relax.

She asked for 1000 I counter offered 500. After much negotiating from her side she finally caved and gave me a very mediocre HJ. I did let my fingers inside her knickers and she was proper wet, I fingered her while she was giving me attention. It drove her wild.

I'm now in my room and getting ready for bed.

Take care guys.

Red.[/QUOTE]I've said this many times, but I'll say it again. I've always been surprised by the lack of reports on ordering room service from the hotel spa. Is it because we don't want the hotel to get into trouble? Anyway, at most Western hotels (e. G. Marriott, etc), an expensive mechanical HJ is usually available. At Chinese hotels (any hotel with a Chinese name), FS is almost always available, but the girl is usually a 3 and the tip is crazy expensive, like 2000. But, I sometimes still order room service because it's super convenient. The girl is at your room within minutes of you calling. When you call them, they will often ask if you're alone, to make sure you're not with your wife and asking for a legit massage. One time when I was in Beijing, I ordered room service at Crowne Plaza Hotel. Got FS, and the next day I saw that girl working at the hotel gift shop, LOL.

OK fellas, I know, this is only my 2nd ever post on ISG, and that I have been a lurker on here for a couple of years, but I hope I can bring something to the discussion.

I have lived in Shanghai for 6 years, and I agree with the posters below that this is by far the worst time to monger in Shanghai, and I'm now thinking of giving up for good. Now compared to some regular posters here, my mongering over the years has been very light. I have no experience of the saunas whatsoever, I have done takeout at Ms only once. Back in 2014 (I can't take anyone home these days for reasons you can probably guess), and my activity has mainly consisted of MPs (Spring etc.) with the usual extras thrown in.

Up to a couple of years ago it was nice, simple, and discrete. But now, given how LE and local govt has cracked down so heavily on the scene, I'm just not in the mood for it anymore. Here are my main reasons:

- However low the risk is, a quick HJ in an MP now just doesn't seem worth it. I run a business here that's going great, and I have an awful lot to lose if ever I was the slightest bit involved in a raid.

- The constant feeling of being watched. Whenever I feel like visiting a MP, more often than not, there'll be some shady looking guy sitting on a scooter in the street near the entrance surveying the situation. Of course I understand he may be there to raise the alarm in case the LE come knocking, but it just puts me on edge, and more often than not, just makes walk away and go home.

- The huge increases in price. When things go from 188 to 600 (or more depending on the tips they ask for) for the same service in just 3 or 4 years, it sure doesn't make you feel like going so often.

- The fact that you can no longer take a shower in the room. The last HJ I had was in July (Ronghua E road in case anyone is desperate for an underwhelming HJ, 298 +200 tip by a slightly plump 6 wearing trousers, plus I'm not even sure it's still open), and I was just wiped down with some hot towels afterwards. Not cool.

So there we go, I think I'm done, unless things to go back to how they were, but I highly doubt it.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2370754] One time when I was in Beijing, I ordered room service at Crowne Plaza Hotel. Got FS, and the next day I saw that girl working at the hotel gift shop, LOL.[/QUOTE]Hey Midwest, don't keep us guessing LOL. How did it progress?

Thanks for all your good reports over the years!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;2371149]Hey Midwest, don't keep us guessing LOL. How did it progress?

Thanks for all your good reports over the years!

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Freebie from a hotel spa? LOL. There's no way. I gave a FR in the Beijing thread (probably in January of this year) about the experience. In short, my flight was supposed to arrive in the afternoon. I was going to order outcall before dinner, and then invite an indie over after drinking with friends that same night. But, my flight got super delayed. I arrived at the Crowne Wangfujing at around midnight. So, I just texted Kitty to send over a girl and to my surprise she said that my hotel is too strict, especially because it was so late. This is the first time she refused to send a girl. So, I texted the indie, and again to my surprise she said the same thing, that my hotel specifically and that Wangfujing in general are strict, especially given that it was after midnight. So, I was frustrated and desperate, and just ordered room service from the hotel spa. The guy on the phone asks me if I'm staying alone and I say yes. The girl that arrives a few minutes later is the usual 3. Her body was average, but she had a fat face. Oh well. Anyway, I asked her the cost of a massage, and she says 500. But on the spa menu on the nightstand, there is no massage that costs 500. But she says that's the price, so I said okay. And then I ask what's the price for FS, and she quoted me something outrageous and I eventually got her to settle for 2000. Anyway, after multiple positions, I was tired and I couldn't pop, so I took off the cover and started raw dogging her. Don't lecture me. I know it was a huge f**king mistake. But after a half hour of raw dogging, I still couldn't pop and my hour was up, so she left. The next morning, I tried to check out, but the hotel said that I already paid for 2 nights so I couldn't get a refund for the 2nd night. This annoyed me, but I tried to make the best of it. That afternoon, I ordered a girl from Kittys. I'm pretty sure it was Linxi who is now listed on NLO. The funny thing is that I told Linxi to meet me on the 2nd floor, and while walking around waiting for her, I saw the girl from the night before working at the gift shop counter, LOL. Anyway, after a good session with Linxi, I was sitting in my hotel room wondering what I was going to do that night wrt to mongering, and then I just decided to check out early and eat the cost. I then checked into another hotel, one far from Wangfujing, and went on a mongering rampage to make up for lost time. Whoops, I didn't keep this short. Sorry.

Speaking of freebies. I actually scored one recently. It's kind of a decent story, so in case any of you guys are interested, here it is: There's a legit MP that I've been going to for many years. It's the kind of place where I have to grit my teeth almost the entire time because the massage is super painful, sometimes I scream in pain, but I feel great afterwards. Anyway, about a year ago, I get massaged by a skinny MILF at this shop. She is friendly, loves to laugh, and has a great smile. So, I started requesting her on a regular basis. She is at least 40, is married, and has a teenage daughter. Anyway, during the hot summer, I noticed that she wasn't wearing a shirt under her uniform top. So, every once in a while, I caught glimpses of her stomach and lower back. It started to turn me on, but I didn't do anything. But the last time I saw her to get a massage, I gave her a hug, and to my surprise, she pressed her entire body against me. So, I took the cue and started caressing her, and then tried to kiss her, but she resisted at first, but finally gave in. Anyway, for the rest of that hour, we were all over each other. That night, I texted her that liked her. She texted back that she liked me too, but we could never do that again at her work place. So, I asked her what should we do? She said let's meet at a hotel on her next day off. And so we did. For someone in her 40's, she has a pretty fit body. I guess giving legit massages keeps her fit. Anyway, after raw dogging for over an hour, her phone starts ringing. She tells me it's her husband and she has to spend the day with him. Apparently, he moved to Shanghai for a temporary job. So she quickly gets dressed and takes off. I text her, asking if she can return, and she says no. And, that was it. Later that night, she texted me to never text her again. She said that from now on, she'll text me. But I haven't heard from her since. But this was recent, so I'm still holding out hope. Again, sorry for the long useless story.

Let me offer the following possibly useful info, as a way of apology if you feel like you wasted your time reading my useless stories above. Rain's website is back up. And now she is actually listing the girls' direct contacts (but there are only a handful of girls listed). So, if you think it's safer to contact girls directly, then there you go. But I'm not going to partake, because I want nothing to do with Rain from now on.

BTW, at Rodneey, I totally agree with your most recent post.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2371219]Let me offer the following possibly useful info, as a way of apology if you feel like you wasted your time reading my useless stories above.[/QUOTE]Midwest, it is always a pleasure to read your exploits. I especially like your entrepreneurial spirit during these difficult times.

Stay safe!

Where I can book a "red rope" service in Shanghai? Your photo looks very horny bro).

Thanks.

BXT.

[QUOTE=Intransit;2366735]Not my image, caption, or dick, but the red rope used to be the best thing about the Shanghai scene. Maybe one day we'll see its triumphant return. RIP red rope.[/QUOTE]

I will be visiting Shanghai end of this month. Looking for help with some indie or MP contacts. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Sands007;2371737]I will be visiting Shanghai end of this month. Looking for help with some indie or MP contacts. Thanks![/QUOTE]Sands, I realize the Indian forums do things differently, where you guys simply just frantically beg each other for contacts. But in the Shanghai forum, many members frequently post useful intel, so you just need to spend an hour and RTFF. Trust me.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2371219]Freebie from a hotel spa? LOL. There's no way. I gave a FR in the Beijing thread (probably in January of this year) about the experience. In short, my flight was supposed to arrive in the afternoon. I was going to order outcall before dinner, and then invite an indie over after drinking with friends that same night. But, my flight got super delayed. I arrived at the Crowne Wangfujing at around midnight. So, I just texted Kitty to send over a girl and to my surprise she said that my hotel is too strict, especially because it was so late. This is the first time she refused to send a girl. So, I texted the indie, and again to my surprise she said the same thing, that my hotel specifically and that Wangfujing in general are strict, especially given that it was after midnight. So, I was frustrated and desperate, and just ordered room service from the hotel spa. The guy on the phone asks me if I'm staying alone and I say yes. The girl that arrives a few minutes later is the usual 3. Her body was average, but she had a fat face. Oh well. Anyway, I asked her the cost of a massage, and she says 500. But on the spa menu on the nightstand, there is no massage that costs 500. But she says that's the price, so I said okay. And then I ask what's the price for FS, and she quoted me something outrageous and I eventually got her to settle for 2000. Anyway, after multiple positions, I was tired and I couldn't pop, so I took off the cover and started raw dogging her. Don't lecture me. I know it was a huge f**king mistake. But after a half hour of raw dogging, I still couldn't pop and my hour was up, so she left. The next morning, I tried to check out, but the hotel said that I already paid for 2 nights so I couldn't get a refund for the 2nd night. This annoyed me, but I tried to make the best of it. That afternoon, I ordered a girl from Kittys. I'm pretty sure it was Linxi who is now listed on NLO. The funny thing is that I told Linxi to meet me on the 2nd floor, and while walking around waiting for her, I saw the girl from the night before working at the gift shop counter, LOL. Anyway, after a good session with Linxi, I was sitting in my hotel room wondering what I was going to do that night wrt to mongering, and then I just decided to check out early and eat the cost. I then checked into another hotel, one far from Wangfujing, and went on a mongering rampage to make up for lost time. Whoops, I didn't keep this short. Sorry.

Speaking of freebies. I actually scored one recently. It's kind of a decent story, so in case any of you guys are interested, here it is: There's a legit MP that I've been going to for many years. It's the kind of place where I have to grit my teeth almost the entire time because the massage is super painful, sometimes I scream in pain, but I feel great afterwards. Anyway, about a year ago, I get massaged by a skinny MILF at this shop. She is friendly, loves to laugh, and has a great smile. So, I started requesting her on a regular basis. She is at least 40, is married, and has a teenage daughter. Anyway, during the hot summer, I noticed that she wasn't wearing a shirt under her uniform top. So, every once in a while, I caught glimpses of her stomach and lower back. It started to turn me on, but I didn't do anything. But the last time I saw her to get a massage, I gave her a hug, and to my surprise, she pressed her entire body against me. So, I took the cue and started caressing her, and then tried to kiss her, but she resisted at first, but finally gave in. Anyway, for the rest of that hour, we were all over each other. That night, I texted her that liked her. She texted back that she liked me too, but we could never do that again at her work place. So, I asked her what should we do? She said let's meet at a hotel on her next day off. And so we did. For someone in her 40's, she has a pretty fit body. I guess giving legit massages keeps her fit. Anyway, after raw dogging for over an hour, her phone starts ringing. She tells me it's her husband and she has to spend the day with him. Apparently, he moved to Shanghai for a temporary job. So she quickly gets dressed and takes off. I text her, asking if she can return, and she says no. And, that was it. Later that night, she texted me to never text her again. She said that from now on, she'll text me. But I haven't heard from her since. But this was recent, so I'm still holding out hope. Again, sorry for the long useless story.

Let me offer the following possibly useful info, as a way of apology if you feel like you wasted your time reading my useless stories above. Rain's website is back up. And now she is actually listing the girls' direct contacts (but there are only a handful of girls listed). So, if you think it's safer to contact girls directly, then there you go. But I'm not going to partake, because I want nothing to do with Rain from now on.

BTW, at Rodneey, I totally agree with your most recent post.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I've seduced a few legit massage girls as well. I guess they get horny doing all those massages.

There has been some talk in high places in the last couple of years about Chinese citizens and their rights. And not getting beat up for trying to lodge complaints etc. But I guess it takes a while to trickle down. For example:

The world famous #18 was caught in a raid in July. In order to get her to confess to providing oral sex services she was interrogated for 3 hours. During that time she acquired a square foot of bruises on her joints and had an electric prod used on her twice. She didn't confess. It was all, just massage no funny business.

Plus she still has marks from the handcuffs.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;2372509]There has been some talk in high places in the last couple of years about Chinese citizens and their rights. And not getting beat up for trying to lodge complaints etc. But I guess it takes a while to trickle down. For example:

The world famous #18 was caught in a raid in July. In order to get her to confess to providing oral sex services she was interrogated for 3 hours. During that time she acquired a square foot of bruises on her joints and had an electric prod used on her twice. She didn't confess. It was all, just massage no funny business.

Plus she still has marks from the handcuffs.[/QUOTE]The police going to all that trouble means they want her testimony because they desperately want to bust her boss / owner, and given that she took that beating (just to avoid a measly 4 week jail sentence) means that she's terrified of her boss / owner. But bless her heart. Poor gal. Hope you gave her some extra money or other help.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2372539]The police going to all that trouble means they want her testimony because they desperately want to bust her boss / owner, and given that she took that beating (just to avoid a measly 4 week jail sentence) means that she's terrified of her boss / owner. But bless her heart. Poor gal. Hope you gave her some extra money or other help.[/QUOTE]The 15 days or 4 week sentence is for the first time they are convicted. The second time is 1 1/2 years of rehabilitation.

I don't think she is afraid of her boss. I think she has courage and deserves credit for that.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2371219]Rain's website is back up. And now she is actually listing the girls' direct contacts (but there are only a handful of girls listed). So, if you think it's safer to contact girls directly, then there you go. But I'm not going to partake, because I want nothing to do with Rain from now on..[/QUOTE]

I liked Rain's old website and on the forums recommendations thought she was something special. I never order girls from websites without regret but I made an exception with Rain one afternoon. I asked for the daily special. The pictures were of a very nice looking mid 20's with a nice figure. Who arrived was her face 20 years later with a 30 pound weight increase and tits that had been ravaged by babies or broken implants. In spite of the high end price they charge she did a mediocre quick time and with my blessing left early. Besides being s&m to negotiate with how in Rain anything but another scam.

So Midwestern, why do you want nothing more to do with Rain?

[QUOTE=FiveAces;2372564]The 15 days or 4 week sentence is for the first time they are convicted. The second time is 1 1/2 years of rehabilitation.

I don't think she is afraid of her boss. I think she has courage and deserves credit for that.[/QUOTE]Oh, that's right. I forgot that she got busted once before. LE confronted a customer after a session with her and he admitted to getting a HJ from her, or something like that. I totally give her props. I probably could not have been able to tolerate the abuse she received.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;2372573]I liked Rain's old website and on the forums recommendations thought she was something special. I never order girls from websites without regret but I made an exception with Rain one afternoon. I asked for the daily special. The pictures were of a very nice looking mid 20's with a nice figure. Who arrived was her face 20 years later with a 30 pound weight increase and tits that had been ravaged by babies or broken implants. In spite of the high end price they charge she did a mediocre quick time and with my blessing left early. Besides being s&m to negotiate with how in Rain anything but another scam.

So Midwestern, why do you want nothing more to do with Rain?[/QUOTE]Before she recently got busted by LE, I used her agency for about 3 years. I always had a decent experience with her girls (but the girls usually available for the matinee special price were not that great, I admit). But she yelled at me so many times, and deleted my wechat at least 3 or 4 times. You cannot ask her any questions, or change your mind, or cancel without it pissing her off. She once published a guy's email address on her wechat moments because she was annoyed at him. How scary is that? Anyway, just before she got busted by LE, she changed her wechat ID not once, but TWICE. Imagine that. She knew that she was being monitored, but kept pushing the envelope. So now, after 5 months in jail, within a day or two after her release, she starts contacting all of her clients again, and her website is back up and running. This time, the website is a bit discreet, offering massage services rather than escort services, but the fact that she's back to using her same old wechat ID and same website URL makes me think she's either crazy, or she's working with LE, or it is LE. Not worth it.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2372742]This time, the website is a bit discreet, offering massage services rather than escort services, but the fact that she's back to using her same old wechat ID and same website URL makes me think she's either crazy, or she's working with LE, or it is LE. Not worth it.[/QUOTE]Rain has 2 Wechat's she's using now plus another one that she posted about, posted asking people to get in touch with her as it's her private / personal Wechat. That's kinda sketchy. Plus she's deleting WeChat posts pretty quickly.

I've known Rain a long time and have used her girls and even her. (last time was 2015) She is more than a little paranoid which is understandable. I don't know if she's colluding with LE. Maybe 50/50 odds on that. The fact that she's giving out her girls contacts is odd based upon her history.

I have chatted with her just to say Hello, (she remembers me but I am remarkable in China - 6'3" Big red haired white guy) and that's as far as it went. I have contacts for her girls but am hesitant to use WeChat to chat with them since Wechat is none too secure with China's Big Brother deal now.

I have to go back to China in 2020 (new position) and don't need to get tagged by Chinese LE before I even arrive. Last time in China was 2015, judging from what I read here things changed significantly. I'd say Rain is tainted until proven otherwise.

Sad what China had and now is gone, I missed the sauna best days but experienced some of NL, SNL and of course Rain's girls. Reports mostly posted on that HK site, can't remember if I posted here. Also had some notable independents; HousewifeBaoBao, BeverlyJones, Mimi, Hujing and many other some hot, some forgettable and also many Wechat nearby, and CL hits and misses.

My take is China was only unique in the Sauna hey days and now not any different in price and quality to anywhere else and far more expensive and dangerous than HK or other hotbeds.

Why Rain gets so much attention, she kept a internet site and advertised but as others posted I dropped her as she is a crazy, there is a long review of someone who did overnight with her, enlightening for those that are curious.

After reading the last 20 pages, it seems there was a major crackdown earlier this summer and the bad weather might pick up again for upcoming 70th anniversary celebration.

I have used M & J a couple times in the past (2016 and 2017) and will be back in Shanghai October 1 to 3. Will M & J be open as it's the start of the 70th anniversary celebration?

If they are closed, I guess I might go with online options like NLO or one of the advertisers like

http://nirvanashanghai.com/

Are they legit? I am trying to stay off of WeChat as it seems dicey to use atm for Indy's. I see they have a WhatsApp, but all the girls profile had the same so must be an agency contact rather than a listing of indys..I can't imagine they are an agency with such a large roster...

[QUOTE=Tyb60;2374463]Sad what China had and now is gone, I missed the sauna best days but experienced some of NL, SNL and of course Rain's girls. Reports mostly posted on that HK site, can't remember if I posted here. Also had some notable independents; HousewifeBaoBao, BeverlyJones, Mimi, Hujing and many other some hot, some forgettable and also many Wechat nearby, and CL hits and misses.

My take is China was only unique in the Sauna hey days and now not any different in price and quality to anywhere else and far more expensive and dangerous than HK or other hotbeds.

Why Rain gets so much attention, she kept a internet site and advertised but as others posted I dropped her as she is a crazy, there is a long review of someone who did overnight with her, enlightening for those that are curious.[/QUOTE]Saunas were amazing, even 3 years ago. Sadly, those days are gone.

Things will continue to get hot for the several weeks before and after the national holiday and based on my past experiences I can almost guarantee you that they will both be closed at least on October 1st. Go and have a look but have a Plan b and see in hand so you want go crazy with boredom.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2374840]After reading the last 20 pages, it seems there was a major crackdown earlier this summer and the bad weather might pick up again for upcoming 70th anniversary celebration.

I have used M & J a couple times in the past (2016 and 2017) and will be back in Shanghai October 1 to 3. Will M & J be open as it's the start of the 70th anniversary celebration?

If they are closed, I guess I might go with online options like NLO or one of the advertisers like

http://nirvanashanghai.com/

Are they legit? I am trying to stay off of WeChat as it seems dicey to use atm for Indy's. I see they have a WhatsApp, but all the girls profile had the same so must be an agency contact rather than a listing of indys..I can't imagine they are an agency with such a large roster...[/QUOTE]

I'd seen Maggie (who has been discussed on this forum0 once before and I tried to connect with her again. I had lost her contact info and called a number I thought was hers but turned out to be a fake who gave a lousy experience.

Does anybody know if the (real) Maggie is still seeing clients?

Guys, just wish to update you on the MP on Madang. I went there two days ago around 10 pm. I did not have much time and for me that is the fastest option. Yes, it was the day before the anniversary and I thought it was a bit dangerous, but I have risked it. Went in and got a good looking girl, I would say a 7 or 8 depending on the tastes. Very good massage and, surprise, got a BBJ for the "friendly" amount of 500. Plus another 500 for the massage. Well, with a couple of hundreds more I could have spend a great hour with a NLO girl, but when you have time constraints you have to get what the market offers. And that MP is very convenient for me to go back home quick. You guess what I mean.

The lady was good looking, nice boobs for a Chinese, and very sweet. Only a bit of rush at the end, but nothing too much annoying. And you got showers there.

Apologise I did not get the number. Furthermore, on the way out while paying the massage, saw another very pretty girl who gave me a very warm "Hello!". Looks like the place is back to good business. Hope they do not do something stupid and get closed. But prices are so far high.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2377284]Guys, just wish to update you on the MP on Madang. I went there two days ago around 10 pm. I did not have much time and for me that is the fastest option. Yes, it was the day before the anniversary and I thought it was a bit dangerous, but I have risked it. Went in and got a good looking girl, I would say a 7 or 8 depending on the tastes. Very good massage and, surprise, got a BBJ for the "friendly" amount of 500. Plus another 500 for the massage. Well, with a couple of hundreds more I could have spend a great hour with a NLO girl, but when you have time constraints you have to get what the market offers. And that MP is very convenient for me to go back home quick. You guess what I mean.

The lady was good looking, nice boobs for a Chinese, and very sweet. Only a bit of rush at the end, but nothing too much annoying. And you got showers there.

Apologise I did not get the number. Furthermore, on the way out while paying the massage, saw another very pretty girl who gave me a very warm "Hello!". Looks like the place is back to good business. Hope they do not do something stupid and get closed. But prices are so far high.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Based on your past reports, I'm pretty sure you're referring to an MP of a well known chain, a chain that used to be much discussed on here. This chain has gone through a few changes in recent years. Most recently, it seems that a tad more is on offer since the last crackdown, but prices have gone up since the recent reopenings. One guy reported that he got FS at the Madang location. During the recent closings, I met one girl from the Madang shop at her apartment for FS, but she still won't offer more than HJ at the shop. BBBJ is also available at the Jiangning location. But YMMV. It just depends on the girl. One girl at the Jiangning location quit when new girls there started offering BBBJ. 500 seems to be the standard tip for BBBJ. But paying 500+500 for massage and 5 minutes of BBBJ seems too much, and the massage just feels like a waste of time.

What are the Vietnamese WG's asking for these days?

Sam was paying 1000-1200?

Guys,

Just some quick info.

I'm in Jiaxing now but ware in Shanghai for the weekend.

I've never been to Manha. Before so really don't know how it was earlier.

What I can tell you is that it's open and there are plenty of girls.

I came very late, around 2 am and I reccon there was about 15 girls there.

Starting prices was 2000 but I got a pretty good one for 1500 and she spent 2 hours with me.

Outside there was about 5 black girls but I didn't ask for prices.

Will be back there next weekend as well.

Do Chinese service providers look better in their prospective homeland, than they do in Canada or the US?

[QUOTE=Vip6682;2378666]Do Chinese service providers look better in their prospective homeland, than they do in Canada or the US?[/QUOTE]Some of the hottest Chinese women whose company that I've ever enjoyed, I met at MPs in California, Vegas, and Florida,. And also in China. Some of the most hideous Chinese women that I've ever been serviced by, I met in Canada, Midwest US,. And also in China. So, IMHO, it cannot be generalized.

Chinese men's standards tend to be pretty high when it comes to service providers, especially in the richer part of cities. The WGs in brothels where I live are very good looking, same for the few freelancers I've actually seen, of course according to Chinese beauty standard, which I don't entirely adhere to. Less good looking girls will usually work out of massage parlors, hotels or using business cards.

[QUOTE=ChickPicker;2379228]Chinese men's standards tend to be pretty high when it comes to service providers, especially in the richer part of cities. The WGs in brothels where I live are very good looking, same for the few freelancers I've actually seen, of course according to Chinese beauty standard, which I don't entirely adhere to. Less good looking girls will usually work out of massage parlors, hotels or using business cards.[/QUOTE]I was under the impression "brothels" have all been shut down, from my experience I have only encountered barbarshops and KTV nothing like a western style bordello or a fish tank Thai style or a geylang type brothel even before the shutdowns. The closest would be what is found in Macau saunas.

[QUOTE=TomMAffolter;2379437]I was under the impression "brothels" have all been shut down, from my experience I have only encountered barbarshops and KTV nothing like a western style bordello or a fish tank Thai style or a geylang type brothel even before the shutdowns. The closest would be what is found in Macau saunas.[/QUOTE]Westerner living part time in Shanghai for several years. There are plenty of fancy brothels, private clubs, etc in Shanghai and in every Chinese city. Emphasis on private. "Foreigners" are rarely invited, less often now with rise of nationalism and trade war. In the sex venues that are open to Foreigners (M, J's, massage, KTVs, etc.), we pay a hefty upcharge versus locals, especially if we don't speak Mandarin. The tables have turned in many respects in China. Where foreigners were once "honored guests" we are now heavily scrutinized, always watched and regularly "detained" or threatened. Check out the experience of leaving China next time you pass outbound thru immigration. If there is any claim against you in the "black book", bogus or not, you will get pulled aside and perhaps miss your flight or much worse. Paying extra for fun is the least of our worries for now.

[QUOTE=TomMAffolter;2379437]I was under the impression "brothels" have all been shut down, from my experience I have only encountered barbarshops and KTV nothing like a western style bordello or a fish tank Thai style or a geylang type brothel even before the shutdowns. The closest would be what is found in Macau saunas.[/QUOTE]Could someone explain why there are still so many sauna advertisements on the local website (aishxxx) given the current weather.

Despite the strong headwinds, the QQ apartment girls are still very active offering "classes" to eager students. Just this week I got a HE massage for 360 and FS for 400. Just need to navigate the local neighborhoods to find relief. Some members are concerned of being seen by the locals but I think that is a bit overrated. Most people are too busy to notice and if you are really concerned you can always go during the evening when it is dark outside. Biggest problem with the QQ option is finding the place in case the girl makes it complicated (vague description, not using the map function and photos) and of course the photo beautification (always subtract 1-2 points for the girl's looks in real life).

But sometimes there are additional roadblocks : girls asking upfront deposits (usually RMB 100) for the reservation of the time slot (via Wechat pay function), asking your mobile nr and even a photo of yourself for "confirmation". Whenever I encounter one of these conditions it is a no go for me and I cancel the class. I just wonder who would provide these to the girls. Also, if you are allergic like me, beware of girls keeping pets (they sometimes post them online but not always).

[QUOTE=Changlelu;2379839]Could someone explain why there are still so many sauna advertisements on the local website (aishxxx) given the current weather.[/QUOTE]Not that many "Sauna" advertised there anymore compared to what they used to have actually But yes there are still options to those ready to take the risk.

Regardless of "sauna" options there are many more options left in the MP area.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;2379839]Despite the strong headwinds, the QQ apartment girls are still very active offering "classes" to eager students. Just this week I got a HE massage for 360 and FS for
400.[/QUOTE]Yep there are still several MPs up for service even though their numbers have been lowered and some need a half legit cover to still function.
Couple days ago I had to calm down a mp girl who was insisting on doing FS or at least BJ when I only wanted HJ (famous chain which used to have a season in its original name).

[QUOTE=TechAdv76;2379729]Westerner living part time in Shanghai for several years. Where foreigners were once "honored guests" we are now heavily scrutinized, always watched and regularly "detained" or threatened. Check out the experience of leaving China next time you pass outbound thru immigration. If there is any claim against you in the "black book", bogus or not, you will get pulled aside and perhaps miss your flight or much worse. Paying extra for fun is the least of our worries for now.[/QUOTE]Saying we are regularly "detained" or stopped at the immigration is greatly exagerated. Foreigners are still welcomed.

Haven't been detained, nor friends here and if you say that regarding mongering yes we do risk being detained but so do locals so its not a foreigners thing, just a "going against the law" thing.
Same could happend in the US or other countries with laws against mongering.

No issues at immigration either.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2377450]... 500 seems to be the standard tip for BBBJ. But paying 500+500 for massage and 5 minutes of BBBJ seems too much, and the massage just feels like a waste of time.[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree. 1 k is way too much and with a small investment can get a great time with a NLO girl. I do not know the Jiangning location. Will look for it. Just to have a second options if needed.

And speaking of NLO last week I went to visit one of the girl and had a great time. While most of the time lately I came out a bit disappointed from MP, I am always pretty happy of NLOs.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2382263]
And speaking of NLO last week I went to visit one of the girl and had a great time.[/QUOTE]Which one?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2383105]Which one?[/QUOTE]Linda. I am becoming a regular client there. Sweet girl, simple. A bit quick on the preliminary but most of the time I am in a hurry.

Hey fellas,

Having read some very useful information on this forum, I thought it would be appropriate to start contributing as well.

Very disturbing to hear about what's going on with the demise of SNG and Rain, but I'm glad OL is still an option.

Just curious if anyone ever tried Jenny from Rain. I've had some great experiences over the years, but she was heads and shoulders above everyone else. Truly beautiful.

[QUOTE=NoWankers;2385311]Hey fellas,

Having read some very useful information on this forum, I thought it would be appropriate to start contributing as well.

Very disturbing to hear about what's going on with the demise of SNG and Rain, but I'm glad OL is still an option.

Just curious if anyone ever tried Jenny from Rain. I've had some great experiences over the years, but she was heads and shoulders above everyone else. Truly beautiful.[/QUOTE]I've met Jenny. About 2 years ago, I had a nice threesome with her and Abby. Agree that Jenny is cute, but I liked Abby just as much. Abby was my regular from Rain.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2383630]Linda. I am becoming a regular client there. Sweet girl, simple. A bit quick on the preliminary but most of the time I am in a hurry.[/QUOTE]I like Linda too.

Hi guys,

I am for one week in shanghai and I looking for some massage parlors with happy ending any buddy have a suggestions for me? My Hotel are in Pudong I would be grateful for any suggestion thanks.

[QUOTE=NoWankers;2385311]Hey fellas,

Having read some very useful information on this forum, I thought it would be appropriate to start contributing as well.

Very disturbing to hear about what's going on with the demise of SNG and Rain, but I'm glad OL is still an option.

Just curious if anyone ever tried Jenny from Rain. I've had some great experiences over the years, but she was heads and shoulders above everyone else. Truly beautiful.[/QUOTE]What's OL. And is Aishxxx down for everyone else? Permanently shutdown or they changed domain names?

[QUOTE=JudeBright;2220088]Just come back from shanghai. I had a short business meeting with my partner in the evening in Shanghai and used the opportunity to visited a sauna. Traveled from Beijing to Shanghai by high speed train and arrived in Hongqiao station. Put my luggage in a self service storage locker. Called my contact and get the direction to the sauna. The sauna is in a apartment complex and has no sign. You will not find any sign outside of the building. I was given a address to a grocery store near by. When I arrived the store, called my contact and he come over o meet me in the store first and led me to a small door on the side of the apartment complex entrance. Once I enter the building, there is no front desk, just walk into a larger room where he called out about 20 girls with tags. The price is steep, only 1 was 1389,3 were 1589,5 were 1799, about 10 1999, and a few 2199. I choose a 20 year old for 1799, with a very pretty face, but short girl. She led me to a room up stairs by hand. There is a water bed on the floor. Start with shower, water bed experience, BBBJ and rimming on the water bed, then onto the bed, with tongue all over my back, rimming again, and BBBJ again until enter her tight pussy. The experience is great. The price is high.

I can not wait to come back.

JB.[/QUOTE]Anyone know if this place still exists? I'm looking for good venues convenient to Hongqiao, Science & Tech, or anywhere along Subway Line 2. Thank you!

[QUOTE=Zhanghh;2386164]Hi guys,

I am for one week in shanghai and I looking for some massage parlors with happy ending any buddy have a suggestions for me? My Hotel are in Pudong I would be grateful for any suggestion thanks.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing you're in town for the expo. I hate to say this, but when stuff like the expo is going on, then LE activity is usually heightened for everyone's safety and to protect the image of the city, and so I would not risk it. I know that a parlor was recently raided in Pudong.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2386253]I'm guessing you're in town for the expo. I hate to say this, but when stuff like the expo is going on, then LE activity is usually heightened for everyone's safety and to protect the image of the city, and so I would not risk it. I know that a parlor was recently raided in Pudong.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your quick replay yeh I always choose the wrong time first I want to go HongKong was riot so I don't go and now it's expo time in Shanghai it's any other opportunity now in Shanghai? I only see on some websites for outcall I don't liked in Hongkong it's much easier.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2386226]What's OL. And is Aishxxx down for everyone else? Permanently shutdown or they changed domain names?[/QUOTE]Works fine.

[URL]www.aishxs.biz[/URL]

Hello fellas,

Pictures with a website address "outcall-spa" have been flashing on tinder profiles a lot these days. I checked the website, seems kinda legit but you never know. Has anyone tried?

At ThomKatt: OL may not be the correct acronym. Maybe it's NOL? Anyway, previously SNG.

At Midwestern: Agree, Abby was a hottie as well and an A+ experience. Going back quite a few years, do you remember a high-end independent named Sunny Pei? I figure if anyone will know, you will. All references to her disappeared in an instance a couple of years ago and there's not a single mention of her anywhere that I can find.

[QUOTE=NoWankers;2386821]

At Midwestern: Agree, Abby was a hottie as well and an A+ experience. Going back quite a few years, do you remember a high-end independent named Sunny Pei? I figure if anyone will know, you will. All references to her disappeared in an instance a couple of years ago and there's not a single mention of her anywhere that I can find.[/QUOTE]Sunny Pei? The name doesn't ring a bell. But I've only been actively mongering in Shanghai for a few years, and even then I wasn't very active in the beginning while I was still learning the ropes of the Shanghai scene. Also, I steer clear of high-ends, because I'm not rich. When I started being active, I started off with the FS MPs, Rain, and SNG. The only indies I knew were on SNG (or shared with me by senior members). These days, I'm just using NLO, and I also get WeChat contacts from MP gals and meet them outside of their work hours. I'm nervous about MPs now because they seem to be getting raided regularly. And I'm very nervous about using any agency following the arrests of Steven and his assistant (SNG) and Rain. The only exception to this rule is NLO, because I can contact those girls directly.

I'll be in Shanghai next week and will post a report afterward. Per Midwestern's advice, NLO only. Kim or Cindy. Who knows, maybe both.

Hello guys,

After long time watch away I want to make some contribution too. Last week I visit a MP which located East Nanjing Rd, paid 398 for regular massage then she ask me HJ for 500, after negotiations accepted for 250. She was quite beautiful and service was also good.

What is NLO means, can anyone help me and explain that. I understood that's night life organization but is it a website or is it Chinese?

Thanks all.

I will be in Shanghai in December at Four Seasons Hotel. Could you please share the name of Sauna please? How does it work here?

Thank you in advance.

Has anyone tried one of the numbers on the classified ads?

Anything legit or is it mostly scam or bait and switch?

[QUOTE=Rasmi123;2389325]I will be in Shanghai in December at Four Seasons Hotel. Could you please share the name of Sauna please? How does it work here?

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]Which four seasons hotel?

Also be aware that crackdowns have closed a lot of play places so what is there today may not be there tomorrow.

Teltel.

[QUOTE=VonSauer;2389581]Has anyone tried one of the numbers on the classified ads?

Anything legit or is it mostly scam or bait and switch?[/QUOTE]Wenli is legit.

[QUOTE=Teltel;2389697]Which four seasons hotel?

Also be aware that crackdowns have closed a lot of play places so what is there today may not be there tomorrow.

Teltel.[/QUOTE]Four Seasons Hotel Shanghai at Puxi.

Some places are reopening starting today, others starting Monday.
Lets enjoy a short somewhat ok time before the raids from the preCNY start :)
Hopefuly things will get better post CNY (doubtful but theres always hope).

Earlier today I was talking with a friend who said me he went to Manhat two days ago to have some fun with some visiting friends and the place was completely empty! Just the doormen and the bartender. Same for jdys. This is sad.

Yesterday also one of my friend report to me he went to J and M but both of them were empty and some policeman waiting at entrance of those bars. Windy whether coming again?

I have not been posting much as my travels have been limited. China was not in the future but I am working on it and may be returning next year to bring back the tales of SAMCAN.

On another note I just got a message from one of my faves. Tina is back in town. You can see the post below # 11953 , We keep in touch.

She told me she just arrived and Judy's is now charging the girls 5000 rmb / month to be in there to work. This may be the end of Judy's and Manhattan's as we know it. Or prices will definitely be higher as girls have to cover their costs. Tina just arrived and found this out. She isn't sure if she will work Judy's or somewhere else (KTV).

I really like this girl, There is a post below that lists one of the many times I saw her. A couple others on this board can also vouch for her based on my recommendations.

She just arrived and will be there for a month from this post. THE PRICING IS OLD Jan 2018... i dont know what she is getting in these times that's for you to work out

I will provide digits to Sr members only with real posts not just wanting help and collecting numbers. I am very protective of this cute little spinner so I need to know you or have seen enough posts to know you but you can always try.

SAMCAN.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2129931]I'm over in pudong after resting for two days. I called Tina that I met at judys. 27 yo 5 feet tall 47 kg. True spinner, Just my type. Natural Breasts. Probably large A cups. Body's an 8 face 8. Action9++ at least for me.

She showed up at the hotel. Shower together. Cuddle and kiss in bed BJ with DT action wow! Licked every spot Cowgirl, mish doggie, mish again. I'm having trouble finishing and she stays with me a long time. Love the youth. Finally done.

Rest cuddle talk she reaches down and wakes up junior for round two. Same as first. Worth every bit.

All that for 1000 RMB and a true taxi cost. I can't sleep with a girl in the room and I need rest so she has to leave. She wants to stay. Tells me we can do again in the am. I got work and can't sleep if she stays. First she tries to upcharge me 500 to stay. I say sorry. She then asks to stay promises me more action and will stay for the 1000 nothing additional. It doesn't matter. She couldn't stay if she paid me. I got to sleep. She is a beautiful spinner.

Keep looking guys. There are gems out there. Tina is one of them.[/QUOTE]

Two hotels I was at in Jingan have a dedicated person at a desk checking for ID and asking if you are a tenant. Some providers will not come to a hotel anymore. I'll look for a service appartment.

Used to love visiting Shanghai so very sad to see the current state that it's in. Went scouting yesterday and confirmed that my go-to sauna is closed. Lots of cars parked around so possibly under renovations. Checked out my go-to spa and they are doing construction during the day as well, making changes to all the rooms. Paid $350 for an hour which used to cover pretty much everything except FS. Now with the rooms exposed, it was just an hour long tease. Was only offered a very quick HJ at the end for $300 tip. Talking to employees at the spa, they seem optimistic that things will loosen up in the new year.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2390646]I have not been posting much as my travels have been limited. China was not in the future but I am working on it and may be returning next year to bring back the tales of SAMCAN.

On another note I just got a message from one of my faves. Tina is back in town. You can see the post below # 11953 , We keep in touch.

She told me she just arrived and Judy's is now charging the girls 5000 rmb / month to be in there to work. This may be the end of Judy's and Manhattan's as we know it. Or prices will definitely be higher as girls have to cover their costs. Tina just arrived and found this out. She isn't sure if she will work Judy's or somewhere else (KTV).

I really like this girl, There is a post below that lists one of the many times I saw her. A couple others on this board can also vouch for her based on my recommendations.

She just arrived and will be there for a month from this post. THE PRICING IS OLD Jan 2018... i dont know what she is getting in these times that's for you to work out

I will provide digits to Sr members only with real posts not just wanting help and collecting numbers. I am very protective of this cute little spinner so I need to know you or have seen enough posts to know you but you can always try.

SAMCAN.[/QUOTE]Yes, Sam, with saunas dead, massage parlors dying, escort service owners facing prison, Judy's and Manhattan were out last hope.

Even though they had become pricier by maybe 10 or 20 percent per year and even though some of the hottest girls only want rich Chinese guys, Judy's and Manhattan still provided a venue for a foreign monger to get a 7-8 level girl for $100-300. This is ending, I'm afraid.

Mongering in Shanghai is fast becoming extinct.

[QUOTE=Token1;2391105]Talking to employees at the spa, they seem optimistic that things will loosen up in the new year.[/QUOTE]Some people seem to think things will get better after CNY yes but year after year a new thing ruins the mood so its not that sure.

Will we be preparing for sexual vacations in Japan and Thailand sooner than later? Will foreigners be assigned a "social credit score score" like the Chinese citizen? The car and scooter drivers are stopping for red lights and bring far less pushy at intersections. Garbage and rubble is disappearing from the streets even in shi* hole suburbs of Suzhou. And our loving of Chinese and Vietnamese tourist women is being constrained. Fences along the roads are preventing jaywalkers from crossing at the safest place, away from crosswalks. Traffic cops are telling me to get back on the curb. An army of uniformed Martinets have employment enforcing social norms. Only good aspect is that more non smoking restaurants are available.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2391324]
Mongering in Shanghai is fast becoming extinct.[/QUOTE]While it is very bad that the saunas are closed and the MPs offer only rushed and overpriced HJ service, the independent apartment girls are alive and well. FS "classes" can be had for 400, most "teachers" ask 500-600 for an hour of bliss. I know it seems cumbersome to explore the compounds, but as I previously wrote it is not that difficult for the intrepid and hungry punter. Go check the aishxx website (well reported here on ISG) and see the girls' profiles, everyday new girls go online. You can arrange everything with the help of Google translate or the Wechat translator function. If you are lucky you can have an almost similar dry sauna experience. When the circumstances change (LE crackdown) we need to adapt as well, so perhaps this is going to be the future of a gentrified Shanghai.

Are these two bars banning Wg's outright (demand by police) or charging them a 5000 rmb bar fine? If she keeps an appartment that doubles the monthly expense.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2391621]Are these two bars banning Wg's outright (demand by police) or charging them a 5000 rmb bar fine? If she keeps an appartment that doubles the monthly expense.[/QUOTE]During the expo, WG's were 'banned'; however the Expo is finished, so regular business will resume fairly soon. Regarding the 'entry fee'; this has been around for at least a year, as far as I know it. The fee ranges from 0 RMB all the way up to 10000 RMB. It depends on the bar (Judy's is cheaper), supply & demand (less girls means lower fee), and the girl herself. If Samcan's girl need to pay 5000 RMB, you could take that as a sign, that there are plenty of other girls that want to enter the bar. Means business is good; not bad.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;2391527]While it is very bad that the saunas are closed and the MPs offer only rushed and overpriced HJ service, the independent apartment girls are alive and well. FS "classes" can be had for 400, most "teachers" ask 500-600 for an hour of bliss. I know it seems cumbersome to explore the compounds, but as I previously wrote it is not that difficult for the intrepid and hungry punter. Go check the aishxx website (well reported here on ISG) and see the girls' profiles, everyday new girls go online. You can arrange everything with the help of Google translate or the Wechat translator function. If you are lucky you can have an almost similar dry sauna experience. When the circumstances change (LE crackdown) we need to adapt as well, so perhaps this is going to be the future of a gentrified Shanghai.[/QUOTE]I can only second what Changlelu is saying. Read some of his previous posts and you'll have a recipe of how to go about it. I would like to add though that some Mandarin skills are required. You guys in Shanghai think it's dry, but for us in Suzhou it's even worse. Punters from Suzhou are now travelling to Shanghai due to availability. Personally I haven't been able to identify any apartment girls in Suzhou, though they are rumoured to be around. The aishxx is also useful for those who want to try a sauna experience, however, I must say it appears quite expensive and more tedious compared to a few years back.

[QUOTE=JayBird;2391960]I can only second what Changlelu is saying. Read some of his previous posts and you'll have a recipe of how to go about it. I would like to add though that some Mandarin skills are required. You guys in Shanghai think it's dry, but for us in Suzhou it's even worse. Punters from Suzhou are now travelling to Shanghai due to availability. Personally I haven't been able to identify any apartment girls in Suzhou, though they are rumoured to be around. The aishxx is also useful for those who want to try a sauna experience, however, I must say it appears quite expensive and more tedious compared to a few years back.[/QUOTE]When I was there in March my Judy's girl said Manhattan charged a fee but Judys did not and that is why she worked at Judy's. It also explains why Judy's always seemed slightly second tier to me (but still great.) I guess both charge now.

It is interesting to me that German FKK hits it on both ends. Entry fee and the girls pay. Anyhow. It's a changing! And that SUCKS!

[QUOTE=JayBird;2391960]I can only second what Changlelu is saying. Read some of his previous posts and you'll have a recipe of how to go about it. I would like to add though that some Mandarin skills are required. You guys in Shanghai think it's dry, but for us in Suzhou it's even worse. Punters from Suzhou are now travelling to Shanghai due to availability. Personally I haven't been able to identify any apartment girls in Suzhou, though they are rumoured to be around. The aishxx is also useful for those who want to try a sauna experience, however, I must say it appears quite expensive and more tedious compared to a few years back.[/QUOTE]I was told that some of the SN have moved from SH to Suzhou from my old contacts. I have not tried yet, but thinking. That is not true? At least there are several in Huaqiao, outside of the suzhou, it is mocha cheaper than in SH.

Contacted Linda last minute on wechat last night and got an in all appointment quickly. She was very quick to respond with easy to follow instructions. Linda looks almost exactly like her photos and she is shy at first but is very sweet once she warms up. Beautiful short spinner with soft natural TNA. Service provided is a bit vanilla compared to old saunas or the kdolls that I'm used to in the bay but Linda makes up for it in her genuine reactions. I had a great time with her. Her complex feels private and shower is connected to her room. I will try to repeat if there is time.

I was reading some old posts about MP in madang road. Can someone specify which one still offers he? Is there a yu or spring massage in that area worth trying? I'm having trouble searching what is being discussed. I used to frequent the spring massage locations before the crackdown, damn I miss those days.

[QUOTE=Token1;2391987]Contacted Linda last minute on wechat last night and got an in all appointment quickly. She was very quick to respond with easy to follow instructions. Linda looks almost exactly like her photos and she is shy at first but is very sweet once she warms up. Beautiful short spinner with soft natural TNA. Service provided is a bit vanilla compared to old saunas or the kdolls that I'm used to in the bay but Linda makes up for it in her genuine reactions. I had a great time with her. Her complex feels private and shower is connected to her room. I will try to repeat if there is time.

I was reading some old posts about MP in madang road. Can someone specify which one still offers he? Is there a yu or spring massage in that area worth trying? I'm having trouble searching what is being discussed. I used to frequent the spring massage locations before the crackdown, damn I miss those days.[/QUOTE]I went to the MP on Madang road during golden week and during the CIIE, both times I got the 496 RMB massage which is basically teasing and HJ. First time I didn't know how much to tip, so I paid 500. Second time I negotiated 200 tip.

Not sure if there's more on offer, but I'the suggest to try out if you're into that.

[QUOTE=PeterFox;2392175]I went to the MP on Madang road during golden week and during the CIIE, both times I got the 496 RMB massage which is basically teasing and HJ. First time I didn't know how much to tip, so I paid 500. Second time I negotiated 200 tip.

Not sure if there's more on offer, but I'the suggest to try out if you're into that.[/QUOTE]Depends how attractive they are LOL. I don't understand why tipping suddenly became a thing when it used to be included in the price 2-3 years ago. I remember trying to tip back then and being refused. How did service drop and price go up?

[QUOTE=Token1;2392270]Depends how attractive they are LOL. I don't understand why tipping suddenly became a thing when it used to be included in the price 2-3 years ago. I remember trying to tip back then and being refused. How did service drop and price go up?[/QUOTE]Negotiating the tip is one of the main reasons why I often don't bother going to MPs. It has gotten out of control. If you're a foreigner, then it seems like the negotiations always start at 500 for HJ with some roaming. But if you get their WeChat and repeat with same gal later, then the service gets better and you can also negotiate a discount.

Yeah, I totally agree that tipping ruins the experience. It's why I rarely go to any MP in the States. Those old hags have too much power. I used to love the MPs in Shanghai when I wasn't feeling like FS. It was at a very reasonable price and I got to fool around with an gorgeous naked Chinese girl for an hour. Reminds of me when kiss bangs were better in Korea too. This recent change really ruins the experience.

Anyhow, after reading endless pages of reports here, decided to scout Madang Metro area myself. Spotted the MP mentioned immediately. I also saw Bamboo7 which I'm curious if similar services are offered. Anyways, walked in and was showed upstairs and offered the $495 (something like that) option and took it. The guy shows me to a backroom with plenty of privacy and a shower adjacent to the room. I asked for someone young and he gave me a nod and a smirk. In walks a very pretty girl. I asked to shower while she got the room ready. After returning, she gave me a solid oil back rub with great pressure in the right areas. We chatted and this went on about 20 minuted before she moved towards the lower back / ass area. She pulled the generic blue shorts down and started playing my ads, taint and little brother. This is when she offered the services provided. ¥300 for HJ with over the clothes touching but can't grab her ass. ¥600 to take some of her clothes off and more access. BJ, FS and DATY are not allowed. I was very reluctant at first but eventually caved to the 600 offer because I couldn't resister her sexy curvy body. She had a beautiful set of tits that looks and feels very natural at first but can detect the implants upon close inspection. Her ass and legs are perfection. A little thicc for a Chinese girl which I love. I appreciated that she didn't rush to get me finish, she turned off the lights and let me roam and play with her body for a solid 20 minutes. She even played along and acted very innocent and horny like she wanted more. Whenever I tried to get more, she was quick to stop me. It was still very enjoyable. Eventually she got me to finish in her hands while I sucked on her soft tits. A quick shower, I tipped her and she walked me down to the front desk where I paid and left.

Overall, I still had a decent time despite her many restrictions. She tried to act like anyone could walk in at any moment and see us through the small window on the door but I think there is enough people keeping that area secure from wondering eyes for her to get close to completely nude and lying on the table with me. I liked her great acting job throughout, I found it very entertaining. The issue here is that ¥1100 is a steep price for a glorified HJ with a cute girl when NLO offers FS for 1200 and saunas were less than 1000 when I first visited shanghai 5 years ago. I suppose those fish tank, deep rimming, fire / ice, red rope, toe fucking days are over. If this MP experience was still in the 400-500 range, I'd go every day! Hopefully shanghai returns to form the next time I visit.

Spent a couple of hours with Kim from NLO last week. There's a lot of hype about her from others and I'm happy to report she lived up to it and beyond. I wasn't originally overly inspired by her photos, but the reviews convinced me. Good thing too, because she's far better looking in person.

She gives well, receives well and will serve according to your desires. Nice DT, although admittedly the "the" descriptor is a stretch in my case given that I'm not as big and hard as I used to be. Still, it's nice to go balls deep, if you're into that sort of thing. Add to that a PSE finish or two, and you get an A+ grade from me.

I know it's more expensive to book well-reviewed girls compared to perusing bars, however I believe it's the only way to go. Here's how I do the math. The 400 US spent with Kim was more than worth the original experience, but between now and the next time I'm in Asia, I will have banged Kim an additional 8 to 10 times, and probably another 8 to 10 times thereafter at various points. I know dropping a load in the shower isn't the same as directly on her face, but my imagination is pretty good and it will serve me well.

At NoWankers, yeah, I also didn't meet Kim for a long time because her pics didn't do it for me, but eventually I was in the mood for someone new one day and met Kim, and was pleasantly surprised. I like that she doesn't wear makeup and she just seems like the pretty girl next door type. And yeah, I get your math. I do the same.

At Token, I also like Linda. Solid experience. As for MPs, if you repeat with the girl, the experience is usually much better. I think they also hate haggling over tip, and so the next time they assume same tip and will relax and be naughty from the very start. A recent example is a gal that gave me a regular massage, and then we haggled a lot over tip and eventually ended up at 400. She gave me a decent HJ. I got her WeChat. The next time I saw her, she wasn't wearing leggings under her skirt, wore very lose panties, and no bra. From the very beginning, it was naughty and we were all over each other with unlimited access. She even tried making out with me, but I wasnt in the mood. All for the same tip. And now she texts me regularly to come back. An older example was a gal at the Jiangning location. After a few visits to her, eventually she just showed up to our appointments with a candle and turned off all lights and we would just fool around for an hour, both of us completely naked, for the entire hour. For 300 tip. She even often gave me food that she made, LOL. Btw, where do you go to MPs in the states? Some of the hottest Chinese girls Ive ever met were in MPs in the states. I met several that were college students. Reminds me of a gal that was attending UCSB. She told me her major and I quizzed her to see if she was telling the truth, and she was telling the truth. Anyway, wow, her amazing looks and body, all available for FS for $120 tip. I miss that MP. Always had lots of new young gals. But I admit these great MPs were in CA, NV, FL. The ones in the Northeast and Midwest were horrid. For example, MPs in places like Kansas and neighboring states were disgusting. Finally, yes, if the price is right, I too would go to MPs all the time. I miss the BBBJ CIM places that was 268 RMB total with no tip, like the one on 78 Changshou. For a while, I went almost every day at my lunch hour. I would ask myself: should I get BJ for 40 bucks? And why would I tell myself no? Lol.

At Midwestern, I used to go to AMPS in SF but the quality of girls has dipped drastically after they closed down the most popular spots. There used to be hot Korean girls working them. Now you end up seeing mostly viet and Chinese ladies in their 40-60's offering HJ and FS. It's a depressing scene for an absurd price. The bright light in the Bay Area are Korean apartment girls. Many of which are early 20's and offer pretty much everything for $220/ HR. Some research and planning required.

Now back to Shanghai, I'm leaving soon so no time to build rapport with any of these girls. I remember my best MP experience was 3 years ago at the Spring massage by Jianshan road station. Asked mamasan for a young girl and she gave me this 19 year old with big beautiful naturals and round butt. Her body was incredible and face was round and cute. A short rub and she got naked and just let me fool around with her for an hour. BBBJ, FIV, P2P were all allowed. She had a great an attitude too and wouldn't even take a tip when I offered it. Now, no in room showed and all the doors have windows.

I love Chinese girls, they all seem very down to earth and fun, I guess next trip will be Hong Kong and Macau again to get real action. Their bushy vaginas are growing on me too.

[QUOTE=Token1;2392489]Yeah, I totally agree that tipping ruins the experience. It's why I rarely go to any MP in the States. Those old hags have too much power. I used to love the MPs in Shanghai when I wasn't feeling like FS. It was at a very reasonable price and I got to fool around with an gorgeous naked Chinese girl for an hour. Reminds of me when kiss bangs were better in Korea too. This recent change really ruins the experience.
[/QUOTE]What recent changes to kiss bangs in Korea?

Hey all, trying to gather a little info. Has anyone heard of or tried Lily Escort service? They have a WeChat and list escorts in multiple cities. Seems a bit odd. Live in an outside area so hard to find options that's why I am asking about this one.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2392838]What recent changes to kiss bangs in Korea?[/QUOTE]Maybe I just had shitty luck or was looking in the wrong place but I went to the same two kissbangs in Hongdae 3 years apart and the quality of the girls went to shit and they both did a terrible job maintaining the rooms because it also felt dirty AF. I don't speak any korean so it's also possible they just gave me shitty girls.

Anywho, went back to the same parlor on a Friday night and all the special massage girls were booked. Had to wait an hour so decided to get a nice foot massage. Ended up seeing the same girl as last time and she was a little more willing than the previous visit. She went fully nude and didn't hesitate to DFK. Oral activities were still off the table for her but I'm sure plenty of girls in that spa does it. I wouldn't be surprised if FS is offered by sum. It was nice to not have to negotiate because we both knew the fee. But still expensive af for a glorified HJ. I saw some of the other girls available walking around and there are definitely some cuties. Too bad I'm back in the states now. This place does provide clean showers and a decent amount of privacy. Walking around, it does function as a real spa as well with plenty of real masseuses.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2386319]Works fine.

[URL]www.aishxs.biz[/URL][/QUOTE]Hi brothers going to Shanghai for a couple of days over NYE. Would this be a reliable website to use?

Whats P, PP and BY?

[QUOTE=PpSeeker;2394234]Hi brothers going to Shanghai for a couple of days over NYE. Would this be a reliable website to use?

Whats P, PP and BY?[/QUOTE]Grats on your 25 posts all asking stupid questions and never contributing in return with a detailed report.
Why should we bother answering you when all you do is leeching?

[QUOTE=Changlelu;2391527]While it is very bad that the saunas are closed and the MPs offer only rushed and overpriced HJ service, the independent apartment girls are alive and well. FS "classes" can be had for 400, most "teachers" ask 500-600 for an hour of bliss. I know it seems cumbersome to explore the compounds, but as I previously wrote it is not that difficult for the intrepid and hungry punter. Go check the aishxx website (well reported here on ISG) and see the girls' profiles, everyday new girls go online. You can arrange everything with the help of Google translate or the Wechat translator function. If you are lucky you can have an almost similar dry sauna experience. When the circumstances change (LE crackdown) we need to adapt as well, so perhaps this is going to be the future of a gentrified Shanghai.[/QUOTE]You have a point on this, Changlely. But I have done some explorations and it has some downsides. In the last month I visited three girls from that site. Two of them refused to give me the class when they saw a foreigner, out of them I did convince one of them to work out a BJ. There was one good experience, altho the girl seemed also surprised and hesitant after seeing laowai. She did a good job finally, she was nice and had a good hip and ass. The room was dark and smelt of cigarettes tho. There were other two girls who directly asked me when chatting in QQ if I was a laowai and warned me they wouldn't serve foreigners.

So yeah, I do think we should explore these new ways, but there are some difficulties in that option.

[QUOTE=Bobosan;2394458]You have a point on this, Changlely. But I have done some explorations and it has some downsides. In the last month I visited three girls from that site. Two of them refused to give me the class when they saw a foreigner, out of them I did convince one of them to work out a BJ. There was one good experience, altho the girl seemed also surprised and hesitant after seeing laowai. She did a good job finally, she was nice and had a good hip and ass. The room was dark and smelt of cigarettes tho. There were other two girls who directly asked me when chatting in QQ if I was a laowai and warned me they wouldn't serve foreigners.

So yeah, I do think we should explore these new ways, but there are some difficulties in that option.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. These apartment girls are afraid their neighbors will see laowais coming and going from their apartments. So this is one of the main reasons why they avoid servicing laowais.

[QUOTE=Token1;2393711]
Anywho, went back to the same parlor on a Friday night and all the special massage girls were booked. Had to wait an hour so decided to get a nice foot massage. Ended up seeing the same girl as last time and she was a little more willing than the previous visit. She went fully nude and didn't hesitate to DFK. Oral activities were still off the table for her but I'm sure plenty of girls in that spa does it. I wouldn't be surprised if FS is offered by sum. It was nice to not have to negotiate because we both knew the fee. But still expensive af for a glorified HJ. I saw some of the other girls available walking around and there are definitely some cuties. Too bad I'm back in the states now. This place does provide clean showers and a decent amount of privacy. Walking around, it does function as a real spa as well with plenty of real masseuses.[/QUOTE]I was at this place the other day. We were in a secluded part of the shop, but FS was not available, but she did get fully nude. The shocker was that after I was finishing up and handing over my tip, a cleaning lady walked right into the room without warning! And so she saw the tip handover. My provider was also surprised and I could tell she got a bit unsettled, because this shop does not want its gals to accept tips and wants the HJ to be included in the 496 menu option.

On a related note, I was in a shop of another small chain, and just before my provider was about to dry hump me CG style, a person knocks and then walks in with a bottle of water and some fruits. My provider was a little surprised.

Finally, I recently had 2 occasions where the provider started a BBBJ, and after a few seconds she said that time is almost up and do I want to extend for another 30 minutes for 200 rmb. So I said yes both times, and then she calls the front desk to say I'm staying another 30 minutes. An obvious scam to soak another 200 from us.

So I did my research and read thru all the post, well as many as I could, J and My were suppose to be off so didn't try. Got busy with NLO and tried three ladies from there. All have been reviewed and met by most here. Lily, HuJin and Amily. All were great. Found Mimi on her site, now I have a thing for Asians but Viets more so, don't know why, maybe mostly guaranteed a great time while some Chinese blow hot and cold.

So last night Mimi took me out to The Spot, live band and all, as soon as I walk in two maybe three hot girls, 8's in my book are there and could tell they were WG's. But I was with Mimi, past midnight she is few drinks down and tells me let's go to another place. We walk a few minutes and Hello, Judy's.

Guys this place was happening, lots of girls more than I cared to count but more than a handful were 7's or 8's for sure. Sometimes the right dress holds everything well and when the dress comes off gravity shows its effects.

Mimi wanted me to pick a girl and have a three some but didn't want that as she was drinking fast.

Anyway had a great night and happy to report Judy's on Wednesday night was a good night.

Good luck to all and surely hope to be back sooner now.

Hi,

Staying this weekend at in a luxury hotel close to Nanjing. Are there any MP options close by that are known to be still in business?

[QUOTE=Daviprro2;2395831]Hi,

Staying this weekend at in a luxury hotel close to Nanjing. Are there any MP options close by that are known to be still in business?[/QUOTE]Best to review the Nanjing thread and ask your question there.

Teltel.

[QUOTE=NdnPlayboy;2394699]So I did my research and read thru all the post, well as many as I could, J and My were suppose to be off so didn't try. Got busy with NLO and tried three ladies from there. All have been reviewed and met by most here. Lily, HuJin and Amily. All were great. Found Mimi on her site, now I have a thing for Asians but Viets more so, don't know why, maybe mostly guaranteed a great time while some Chinese blow hot and cold.

So last night Mimi took me out to The Spot, live band and all, as soon as I walk in two maybe three hot girls, 8's in my book are there and could tell they were WG's. But I was with Mimi, past midnight she is few drinks down and tells me let's go to another place. We walk a few minutes and Hello, Judy's.

Guys this place was happening, lots of girls more than I cared to count but more than a handful were 7's or 8's for sure. Sometimes the right dress holds everything well and when the dress comes off gravity shows its effects.

Mimi wanted me to pick a girl and have a three some but didn't want that as she was drinking fast.

Anyway had a great night and happy to report Judy's on Wednesday night was a good night.

Good luck to all and surely hope to be back sooner now.[/QUOTE]It's good to hear Judys was hopping. And that likely means Manhattan too. I was afraid the doom and gloom of late meant closed forever. I am not there for a couple months so hope the winds are still favorable. But that is very good news.

I was in Shanghai before a couple of weeks. I was staying in Days Hotel Shanghai Hongkou Fortune. Visited a spa just behind the hotel (sorry did not note the name of the spa). Directions are very easy: If you come out of the hotel, walk towards the left side. Keep walking. Just after a bank when you reach a signal again continue on the left side. You will see the SPA. Hardly 2 min walk. It is practically on the back side road of the hotels main entrance.

It had a very nice ambiance. The staff was cheerful and not pushy. As soon as I entered the massage room the girl followed. I got no: 11, a very nice looking 22 year old girl. She asked me to take a shower and went out as soon as I entered the shower. She came back as soon as I had finished the shower with towels and a dispo. I wore the dispo in front of her. A slight indication of what could follow. After an really excellent 45 minute massage she flipped me over and asked if I wanted a HJ. She quoted RMB 200, I could easily bargain her to RMB 100. She removed her top. I could fondle her breasts and she even let me put my hands in her panties. The HJ was very nice. I did not try, but I think BJ will surely be available, maybe on repeat visit. I have doubts about FS. But overall a very nice experience. While coming out I saw a couple of other girls and can assure you that they were all in the range of 7+.

Will surely return the next time I am in Shanghai. Also I think that will be the norm in many of the spas.

Hope it helps.

Cost: 200 massage + 100 tip.

[QUOTE=Jackie6543;2396500]I was in Shanghai before a couple of weeks. I was staying in Days Hotel Shanghai Hongkou Fortune. Visited a spa just behind the hotel (sorry did not note the name of the spa). Directions are very easy: If you come out of the hotel, walk towards the left side. Keep walking. Just after a bank when you reach a signal again continue on the left side. You will see the SPA. Hardly 2 min walk. It is practically on the back side road of the hotels main entrance.

It had a very nice ambiance. The staff was cheerful and not pushy. As soon as I entered the massage room the girl followed. I got no: 11, a very nice looking 22 year old girl. She asked me to take a shower and went out as soon as I entered the shower. She came back as soon as I had finished the shower with towels and a dispo. I wore the dispo in front of her. A slight indication of what could follow. After an really excellent 45 minute massage she flipped me over and asked if I wanted a HJ. She quoted RMB 200, I could easily bargain her to RMB 100. She removed her top. I could fondle her breasts and she even let me put my hands in her panties. The HJ was very nice. I did not try, but I think BJ will surely be available, maybe on repeat visit. I have doubts about FS. But overall a very nice experience. While coming out I saw a couple of other girls and can assure you that they were all in the range of 7+..[/QUOTE]I really wonder where you can find massage for 200 cny in Shanghai? I will try that place this week, hope it works.

[QUOTE=Shanghaiexp;2396740]I really wonder where you can find massage for 200 cny in Shanghai? I will try that place this week, hope it works.[/QUOTE]That would be great. Let us know what else you find, such as what else is on offer. Would be nice to know if bargains are still available.

[QUOTE=Shanghaiexp;2396740]I really wonder where you can find massage for 200 cny in Shanghai? I will try that place this week, hope it works.[/QUOTE]Actually the massage was RMB 278 but the reception staff themselves showed me a coupon for discount of RMB 50 and then charged us RMB 200 each as there were 4 of us.

Hi guys,

First time in Shanghai. Walked around last night and saw Sunny Massage on Hankou Rd near Sofitel I think. Didn't check it out and went online to check for escort services. Been texting around and it appears that they are all agents sending model photos but the girl turning up may not be the one in photos. This happened to me in Beijing last week, 2 times! Any tips for other places in Shanghai? Will depart tomorrow morning. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Jackie6543;2397128]Actually the massage was RMB 278 but the reception staff themselves showed me a coupon for discount of RMB 50 and then charged us RMB 200 each as there were 4 of us.[/QUOTE]Actually I visited there, there are 2 spa side by side right? One is written in English and other one is Chinese. Since I couldn't find anyone at English one, try to Chinese one and massage is 334 rmb, and HJ is 100 without any negotiation. Girl is 5/10 massage is 4/10. Are you Chinese or can you speak Chinese? Because at MP no one can speak English even menu is only in Chinese.

Go to Judy's.

Very many girls to choose from.

A good many nationalities.

I think best prices to get laid.

Safer than MP.

[quote]Hi guys,

First time in Shanghai. Walked around last night and saw Sunny Massage on Hankou Rd near Sofitel I think. Didn't check it out and went online to check for escort services. Been texting around and it appears that they are all agents sending model photos but the girl turning up may not be the one in photos. This happened to me in Beijing last week, 2 times! Any tips for other places in Shanghai? Will depart tomorrow morning. Thanks.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Jackie6543;2397128]Actually the massage was RMB 278 but the reception staff themselves showed me a coupon for discount of RMB 50 and then charged us RMB 200 each as there were 4 of us.[/QUOTE]I had been lucky the other day. After reading in the forum that the situation got a bit better I visited one of the Season-after-winter places. The price is still 396 for the oil massage. I was expecting to get asked for tip for HJ. But that was not the case. Without and negotiation she kept playing with my little bro and allowed access to her panties. Hope this could become regular service again.

[QUOTE=GaistAsia;2397459]I had been lucky the other day. After reading in the forum that the situation got a bit better I visited one of the Season-after-winter places. The price is still 396 for the oil massage. I was expecting to get asked for tip for HJ. But that was not the case. Without and negotiation she kept playing with my little bro and allowed access to her panties. Hope this could become regular service again.[/QUOTE]Which location did you mention about?

[QUOTE=GaistAsia;2397459]I had been lucky the other day. After reading in the forum that the situation got a bit better I visited one of the Season-after-winter places. The price is still 396 for the oil massage. I was expecting to get asked for tip for HJ. But that was not the case. Without and negotiation she kept playing with my little bro and allowed access to her panties. Hope this could become regular service again.[/QUOTE]Service at this chain is now the epitome of YMMV. Based on reports in the forum, reports from PMs, and based on my personal experience, some girls at each location only offer mechanical HJs, some offer more, and some much more such as FS. Tips also ranges widely. So, if you're feeling adventurous and want to roll the dice, this chain is the place.

[QUOTE=GaistAsia;2397459]I had been lucky the other day. After reading in the forum that the situation got a bit better I visited one of the Season-after-winter places. The price is still 396 for the oil massage. I was expecting to get asked for tip for HJ. But that was not the case. Without and negotiation she kept playing with my little bro and allowed access to her panties. Hope this could become regular service again.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that report. It is some great news, a bit of fresh air. I was a regular of their location on Wanping Rd, and I loved how it was back then. No tips ever asked, HJ included, as well as a lot of playing with the girl naked or almost, altho this was depending on the girl, and of course as we all know also depending on how many times. But all in all most of them would be up for it. FS was offered by many of the girls with reasonable tips. And always some three or four really hot cuties available at any time.

Unfortunately this one spot on Wanping Rd underwent renovations and now, altho it does belong to spring, it is branded as a totally different product. Brand new interiors with lots of flashy lights and shiny surfaces, prices around 30% higher. I tried it once and I gave up when I saw the girl coming, giving some lame excuses. I went for their most expensive massage and the lady who came meet me was clearly not the type, rather ayi like.

Gaist Asia, it would be great to know which location that was. I only visited their famous location by the famous subway station, and I got an okey-ish experience. The girl was not bad, but she very annoyingly pushed for a tip just for her to get bras down and skirt up. Nice for sure, but this was all included back in the days in the Wanping Rd location.

I will give a try to this one by the subway station again, and I'd love to know of any potential good locations. And I would make a call to all you brothers to try not to go too easy on the tips.

For those ordering through websites or going to locations advertising on websites / app channels.

Be advised there is a new crackdown in Shanghai starting yesterday on this matter.

There will be special monitoring and action against these providers (and customers) during December.

Can anybody DM me for sites where outcall girls in shanghai are available. I know NLO, but not a lot of choice and quite expensive?

[QUOTE=Smeagolcina;2397842]Can anybody DM me for sites where outcall girls in shanghai are available. I know NLO, but not a lot of choice and quite expensive?[/QUOTE]When do you plan to be in Shanghai? As per report below, crackdown on internet based providers is imminent.

When you do partake, or even have an unsuccessful hunt, please provide a report.

Remember Google is your friend if looking for 'escorts in Shanghai'. Also the classified section of the China board is useful.

Teltel.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2397706]For those ordering through websites or going to locations advertising on websites / app channels.

Be advised there is a new crackdown in Shanghai starting yesterday on this matter.

There will be special monitoring and action against these providers (and customers) during December.[/QUOTE]Always curious where people get this kind of information? Not that I don't believe you, just wonder where you can hear about this.

Following up on my previous post, I would like to report that escort outcall service is not the best value for money. I tried 2 services via Wechat, they sent you model photos but of course the girl who comes are different. The first occasion, the girl was 3/5, smoking so I didn't like. Massage was bad. She just wanted to get over and done with. At least she was OK with English. The second time was a bit better, more friendly. She offered to come back without going through the agent so that she can offer a better service. I didn't have time so didn't call back but next time, definitely try to do this, ie. Not going through the agent.

Both services was RMB600 for 1 HR or RMB1000 for 2 hrs. Go for the 1 HR session as after you come, she will pack up and go. Note that I have the exact same experience in Beijing.

If you want to try escort anyway, just google escort Shanghai and there will be plenty results.

[QUOTE=PeterFox;2398035]Always curious where people get this kind of information? Not that I don't believe you, just wonder where you can hear about this.[/QUOTE]See post 13633, the poster is a well respected contributor and his posts have proved accurate in the past.

Also there have been reports of this in the past and more recently in Beijing.

Also, as you yourself have alluded to in the past, communications are monitored as far as phone and Internet go.


Teltel.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiExp;2397393]Actually I visited there, there are 2 spa side by side right? One is written in English and other one is Chinese. Since I couldn't find anyone at English one, try to Chinese one and massage is 334 rmb, and HJ is 100 without any negotiation. Girl is 5/10 massage is 4/10. Are you Chinese or can you speak Chinese? Because at MP no one can speak English even menu is only in Chinese.[/QUOTE]I cannot speak Chinese at all. I think I went where SPA was written in English. I used a translator app to talk to the reception staff. I am sure the massage was RMB 278, which he offered to us at RMB 200. Also there was a RMB 400 massage which included the HJ, but if you offer it inside it turns to be cheaper. Hope this helps.

Hello,

Please forgive first timer question.

If you meet a lady from Manhattans. Do most hotels allow you to take the girl to your room?

Wondering.

Danny.

[QUOTE=RotoDanny;2398442]Hello,

Please forgive first timer question.

If you meet a lady from Manhattans. Do most hotels allow you to take the girl to your room?

Wondering.

Danny.[/QUOTE]Chinese law says the girl must sign in after 10 pm. Many (like 90%) hotels did not enforce this. Western hotels are a better bet than others I have been told. It's easy to get to judys / Mahanttans pick up a girl at 930 and go before 10 if you are worried. . it's also never been an issue for me to have a girl sign into my room. You just can't sign in two the same night.

If the girl has signed in the same hotel twice in the same night with 2 different johns, the hot3 l is required to call the popo. Many hotels will warn you not to take her to your room in that situation. It's also a good question to the girl she doesn't want trouble.

The weather has been bad lately and I have not been there for 6 months so others can weigh in. I used to stay at the portman 2 blocks from J / M and walk the girl back. After the event, I would go back for drinks at that bars and, if the mood hit me, take a second girl back later in the night. BTW, i have taken over a dozen girls to the portman and never asked to sign any in, any time of day. When a 25-30 year old girl is walking in with some guy 55+ it's obvious what's going on. I have had hotel emplloyees (well past 10pm ) hold the elevator for me and not ask in many other hotels as well.

worse case if they ask you to have her sign in. either let them sign her in. or send her home. (if you are really nervous). the other thing i have done is leave with Girl A and take Girl B's number on saturday night. Sunday afternoon, i calll girl B and have her swing over for some afternoon work. no one checks at all during the day.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2398467]Chinese law says the girl must sign in after 10 pm. Many (like 90%) hotels did not enforce this. Western hotels are a better bet than others I have been told. It's easy to get to judys / Mahanttans pick up a girl at 930 and go before 10 if you are worried. . it's also never been an issue for me to have a girl sign into my room. You just can't sign in two the same night.

If the girl has signed in the same hotel twice in the same night with 2 different johns, the hot3 l is required to call the popo. Many hotels will warn you not to take her to your room in that situation. It's also a good question to the girl she doesn't want trouble.

The weather has been bad lately and I have not been there for 6 months so others can weigh in. I used to stay at the portman 2 blocks from J / M and walk the girl back. After the event, I would go back for drinks at that bars and, if the mood hit me, take a second girl back later in the night. BTW, i have taken over a dozen girls to the portman and never asked to sign any in, any time of day. When a 25-30 year old girl is walking in with some guy 55+ it's obvious what's going on. I have had hotel emplloyees (well past 10pm ) hold the elevator for me and not ask in many other hotels as well.

worse case if they ask you to have her sign in. either let them sign her in. or send her home. (if you are really nervous). the other thing i have done is leave with Girl A and take Girl B's number on saturday night. Sunday afternoon, i calll girl B and have her swing over for some afternoon work. no one checks at all during the day.[/QUOTE]The weather has gotten worse since March but back then the Sheraton was super girl friendly with no sign in. My buddy and I showed with our Manhattan girls at midnight and there was some electricity thing and the elevators were out for like 20 minutes. So we just hung out in the lobby with about 5-6 hotel staff till they started again. No issues. No questions. Just rock and roll.

On the way back to the States, I was transit through shanghai for one day and stayed in Sheraton last Saturday. I missed Sam's massage because I was unable to log in this web. I decided to gave a sauna a try through my old contact. The fee is steep, as 1598, but I thought give a try and may be this is the last time to get this kind of the services. Set up appointment is easy, but to get there is difficult. I was first directed to a supermarket. Once get there, contact with wechat and a man meet me at the location. He led me to walk for about 5 minutes, then direct me to continue to walk for about 100 meter alone to a red light where there is another man meet me again and led me to walk for about 5 minutes to a glassdoor, just like a window. He open the door and let me in then the door closed behind me. There is another security door and need a code to open, that lead to a upstairs. At 2nd floor, another man meet you and lead you to a room with a lineup about 15. I choose a slim at her early 20th. We went to upstirs to the 3rd floor and to a room. The room is small and simple with a single bed and a shower place. No toilet. We both get in the shower and she washed me through, then to the bed. The service is a little rushed, but Ok, she did everything like an old DG style, but short version. The place is in a relative remote area and after I leave, I have to wait about 15 to 20 minutes to get a DiDi to come on the street. There are a couple in Town, I choose this one because I thought this one might be safer because the location. This is probably the last time I will visit a sauna in Shanghai unless the thing change dramatically.

Just let your guy know the sauna is still open but it is harder to get.

JB.

On two different occasions in the past year, I got info on a discrete sauna. Both times, I was told to go to a restaurant or intersection and to wait for a guy. Both times, the guy led me to an abandoned building. Both times, I said f*ck this, it just ain't worth the risk. So both times I bailed and both times the guy laughed at me and was annoyed, but who the f*ck cares? You got balls, Jude.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;2398644]On the way back to the States, I was transit through shanghai for one day and stayed in Sheraton last Saturday. I missed Sam's massage because I was unable to log in this web. I decided to gave a sauna a try through my old contact. The fee is steep, as 1598, but I thought give a try and may be this is the last time to get this kind of the services. Set up appointment is easy, but to get there is difficult. I was first directed to a supermarket. Once get there, contact with wechat and a man meet me at the location. He led me to walk for about 5 minutes, then direct me to continue to walk for about 100 meter alone to a red light where there is another man meet me again and led me to walk for about 5 minutes to a glassdoor, just like a window. He open the door and let me in then the door closed behind me. There is another security door and need a code to open, that lead to a upstairs. At 2nd floor, another man meet you and lead you to a room with a lineup about 15. I choose a slim at her early 20th. We went to upstirs to the 3rd floor and to a room. The room is small and simple with a single bed and a shower place. No toilet. We both get in the shower and she washed me through, then to the bed. The service is a little rushed, but Ok, she did everything like an old DG style, but short version. The place is in a relative remote area and after I leave, I have to wait about 15 to 20 minutes to get a DiDi to come on the street. There are a couple in Town, I choose this one because I thought this one might be safer because the location. This is probably the last time I will visit a sauna in Shanghai unless the thing change dramatically.

Just let your guy know the sauna is still open but it is harder to get.

JB.[/QUOTE].

Hotels actually do it for your protection. If the girl is registered, it should make you feel safer that she won't rob you (or murder you, haha).

[QUOTE=RotoDanny;2398442]Hello,

Please forgive first timer question.

If you meet a lady from Manhattans. Do most hotels allow you to take the girl to your room?

Wondering.

Danny.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Bobosan;2397691]Thanks for that report. It is some great news, a bit of fresh air. I was a regular of their location on Wanping Rd, and I loved how it was back then. No tips ever asked, HJ included, as well as a lot of playing with the girl naked or almost, altho this was depending on the girl, and of course as we all know also depending on how many times. But all in all most of them would be up for it. FS was offered by many of the girls with reasonable tips. And always some three or four really hot cuties available at any time.

Unfortunately this one spot on Wanping Rd underwent renovations and now, altho it does belong to spring, it is branded as a totally different product. Brand new interiors with lots of flashy lights and shiny surfaces, prices around 30% higher. I tried it once and I gave up when I saw the girl coming, giving some lame excuses. I went for their most expensive massage and the lady who came meet me was clearly not the type, rather ayi like.

Gaist Asia, it would be great to know which location that was. I only visited their famous location by the famous subway station, and I got an okey-ish experience. The girl was not bad, but she very annoyingly pushed for a tip just for her to get bras down and skirt up. Nice for sure, but this was all included back in the days in the Wanping Rd location.

I will give a try to this one by the subway station again, and I'd love to know of any potential good locations. And I would make a call to all you brothers to try not to go too easy on the tips.[/QUOTE]My recent visit had been to the outlet on Xianxia West Road. Very convenient if you are on the way to Hongqiao airport and got some time left to kill. From there it's just 15 minutes to the airport.

Is Massage Republic for real, are all those women available? If so, Shanghai has become a real cornucopia of delights.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2398710]On two different occasions in the past year

.[/QUOTE]You right, I almost bailed out on the way to the place twice, but did not because I have used this guy a few times in the past and had good time then. That is why I trust him. It is not worth the effort anymore.

Jb.

QQ / Wechat Girls experience varies a lot but once a while, there are good ones that really provide good services. I recently came across a great one of good attitude and unrushed service. She took shower with me and went down at shower for BBBJ and take 69/ DATY on bed and sex in multiple positions. All for a good price of 450. But good girls like this is rare. It would be great if we can have a place to share contacts of good girls.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;2391527]While it is very bad that the saunas are closed and the MPs offer only rushed and overpriced HJ service, the independent apartment girls are alive and well. FS "classes" can be had for 400, most "teachers" ask 500-600 for an hour of bliss. I know it seems cumbersome to explore the compounds, but as I previously wrote it is not that difficult for the intrepid and hungry punter. Go check the aishxx website (well reported here on ISG) and see the girls' profiles, everyday new girls go online. You can arrange everything with the help of Google translate or the Wechat translator function. If you are lucky you can have an almost similar dry sauna experience. When the circumstances change (LE crackdown) we need to adapt as well, so perhaps this is going to be the future of a gentrified Shanghai.[/QUOTE]

Will be heading to Shanghai soon. I've tried a few outcall services in the past with Chinese girls but service and looks were average at best and none looked like on the pictures that were sent.

Anyway thought of trying Russian girls as I've had pretty much only great experiences with Russian girls in Hong Kong.

Does anyone have experience with Russian escorts in Shanghai? Any legit sites or contacts?

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2394268]Grats on your 25 posts all asking stupid questions and never contributing in return with a detailed report.
Why should we bother answering you when all you do is leeching?[/QUOTE]Because its a forum, and for every question asked and answered, dozens of members are enlightened.

Stop making everything transactional. Share your knowledge for the benefit of all. Not just when you are directly compensated.

[QUOTE=JetDork;2399236]Because its a forum, and for every question asked and answered, dozens of members are enlightened.

Stop making everything transactional. Share your knowledge for the benefit of all. Not just when you are directly compensated.[/QUOTE]Sinofaguo was simply chastising PpSeeker for asking for help two dozen times, given that PpSeeker has been on ISG for over 4 years, has mongered in many countries, and yet, he has NEVER shared his intel or experience or answered anyone else's questions. If every member is like PpSeeker, then this forum would not work. So I think there's nothing wrong for Sinofaguo to incentivise a member to share some of his intel, especially if that member wants information and is asking questions. Sinogaguo's MO is definitely not transactional. He has given way more to this forum than he has gotten from it. For example, because of the intel that he shares, many of us have probably avoided jail time.

Thanks to a few members who wrote me back on PM advising and guiding me. I tried Maria (Russian, 3000 one pop) and also tried NLO. NLO. Kim was a colossal disappointment. Stinky and pimpled face, as against the nicely photoshopped face you see on NLO. Deed was 1800 (including taxes). Because of her stench, I was literally in-out of her. Russian was ok, big tits (a bit saggy), nice smile and lovely face.

Nothing to ride home about, but any of you interested in boning a Russian girl who loves saying - "interesting" and "really" - please PM me and I will share her email address.

One evening at Nanjing street, went to sunny spa. A fatso asked for 400 for a HJ. I told her, you give me 200, I will show you a good time. Ha ha ha.

A wise man once said, comparison is the thief of joy. But I have to compare Shanghai with Jakarta. The amount of money I spent popping in shanghai, would get me to lay Kazakh, Ukrainians and some top Indonesian chicks. Every night. For the entire week.

So if any of you brethren are Jakarta bound, give me a holler (PM).

Until then. Signing off.

[QUOTE=Intransit;2398727]Is Massage Republic for real, are all those women available? If so, Shanghai has become a real cornucopia of delights.[/QUOTE]It is real up to some extent, was able to reach most of the south easterners on the site but I doubt the European ones.

I usually reach out to multiple people in a hope of choosing one that suits my needs, but their response is standard and seem *robotic*.

I choosing to go to one of them and the destination was a dark alley, and I didn't want to risk it anymore.

Full service shops still exist but even more transient and dilapidated than before. There are 2 around gubei carrefour area I checked out last week. Any decent, scratch that, fie (fuckable in emergency) quality is 2500+.

First shop is nearby the Starbucks, literally in an abandoned section of a building, had 6 girls, saw and left.

Second shop also in an under construction building, had about 15-20 girls. Chose the one least caked in makeup, decent service but the ramshackle room was non-ventilated and was sweating balls through the whole thing.

I know everyone hates these "back in my day. " posts, but honestly SH is not worth it anymore. These would be 5-600 quality girls at most as recently as 2013-14. The 800-900 girls of years past are now 3-5 k in apartments or ktvs. And you got to plan and book them in advance. There's just too much local, moneyed demand with things being forced underground. Even my tried and true BJ shop has gone from 500 to 680 to now 800 in the span of a year.

I seriously suggest you guys check out Nanjing, literally the same girls go back and forth between SH and NJ, but at least 1 k discount there. There a HJ / BJ hottie still under 500, full service around 1500, and less apartment fakes.

[QUOTE=BisuBisu;2401513]Full service shops still exist but even more transient and dilapidated than before. There are 2 around gubei carrefour area I checked out last week. Any decent, scratch that, fie (fuckable in emergency) quality is 2500+.

First shop is nearby the Starbucks, literally in an abandoned section of a building, had 6 girls, saw and left.

Second shop also in an under construction building, had about 15-20 girls. Chose the one least caked in makeup, decent service but the ramshackle room was non-ventilated and was sweating balls through the whole thing.

I know everyone hates these "back in my day. " posts, but honestly SH is not worth it anymore. These would be 5-600 quality girls at most as recently as 2013-14. The 800-900 girls of years past are now 3-5 k in apartments or ktvs. And you got to plan and book them in advance. There's just too much local, moneyed demand with things being forced underground. Even my tried and true BJ shop has gone from 500 to 680 to now 800 in the span of a year.

I seriously suggest you guys check out Nanjing, literally the same girls go back and forth between SH and NJ, but at least 1 k discount there. There a HJ / BJ hottie still under 500, full service around 1500, and less apartment fakes.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip. Luckily after many years in and around Shanghai, I am moving to Nanjing to work on a new multi-year project. I will report on any worthwhile adventures. (I did not monger per se in Shanghai due to a very satisfactory long term live-in situation).

Hey Seniors!

I will be travelling first time in Shanghai and hope that some can share some insights on where to go and where to avoid.

I am up for some sensual massage / nuru / with FJ as much as possible.

I also don t mind trying out the barbershops / brothels for experience.

Looking forward to hear from the veterans in this platform.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=DaveBehaves;2402229]Hey Seniors!
I am up for some sensual massage / nuru / with FJ as much as possible.

I also don t mind trying out the barbershops / brothels for experience.

Looking forward to hear from the veterans in this platform.[/QUOTE]I'm also looking forward to you reading the past 20 pages where people have already contributed with reports and would also not mind if you would post a report of your own before asking for new material.

I've recently been visiting Shanghai and trying out 2 locations of a well known massage chain, it's been mentioned plenty of times in the past here. I went 2 times to the Madang road branch and 2 times to the Jiangning road branch. In my experience the Jiangning road is much better, the girls I had were both much prettier (especially #72), the rooms had way more privacy (double doors) and the service felt better. At madang road both the negotiations for HJ started at 500, at Jiangning it started at 300, with #72 even assuming I wanted a BJ (which I don't).

I was looking at this site again recently, and the nice thing about it is that mongers review girls and they've reported it when they've gotten ripped off. The site also identifies "suspicious profiles" and verifies if pictures are real. In addition, I recognized a few of the girls who I have found to be reliable indies. So, I decided to try it. Contacted someone named Candy, who had verified pictures. She immediately replied and said she could come immediately. So I said okay. She asked for my name and hotel room number. I asked her why, because we could just meet in the lobby. She replied that she wanted to make sure I was real with sincere intentions because she didn't want to waste the rmb by coming over and finding out that I stood her up. But I told her that telling her my room number and name was too much information. She then said to transfer 100 rmb to her, so that her taxi fare was guaranteed. I again said no, because then she would again know my identity. Then she said she's not interested and said bye.

Anyway, anyone with similar experience and did it go okay? Most indies usually know that being stood up is just part of the biz and don't mind wasting time and losing a taxi fare occasionally. They know we won't give away our personal information. This Candy person almost made me wonder if it was a sting of some kind. My guess is that YMMV, depending on the girl. But that said, I have to admit the prices are outrageous. Candy's price was 1500/ hour, which was a bargain compared to most others on there.

[QUOTE=PeterFox;2402938]I've recently been visiting Shanghai and trying out 2 locations of a well known massage chain, it's been mentioned plenty of times in the past here. I went 2 times to the Madang road branch and 2 times to the Jiangning road branch. In my experience the Jiangning road is much better, the girls I had were both much prettier (especially #72), the rooms had way more privacy (double doors) and the service felt better. At madang road both the negotiations for HJ started at 500, at Jiangning it started at 300, with #72 even assuming I wanted a BJ (which I don't).[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report.

Just so you know HJ is included in the price at both location. You only need to pay 200-300 RMB tips if you wan't to have more access (taking top or / and bottom for free roaming). No reason to pay 500 in madang, they are just used to more people wasting money and more tourists not knowing the market.

If you take a vip card you get 100 RMB off per each session (so 396 rmb). If you take a 5000 RMB card they have a promotion till the end of the month where you get +2000 rmb on your card so 7 k total and still 100 RMB off per hour.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2403199]I was looking at this site again recently, and the nice thing about it is that mongers review girls and they've reported it when they've gotten ripped off. The site also identifies "suspicious profiles" and verifies if pictures are real. In addition, I recognized a few of the girls who I have found to be reliable indies. So, I decided to try it. Contacted someone named Candy, who had verified pictures. She immediately replied and said she could come immediately. So I said okay. She asked for my name and hotel room number. I asked her why, because we could just meet in the lobby. She replied that she wanted to make sure I was real with sincere intentions because she didn't want to waste the rmb by coming over and finding out that I stood her up. But I told her that telling her my room number and name was too much information. She then said to transfer 100 rmb to her, so that her taxi fare was guaranteed. I again said no, because then she would again know my identity. Then she said she's not interested and said bye.

Anyway, anyone with similar experience and did it go okay? Most indies usually know that being stood up is just part of the biz and don't mind wasting time and losing a taxi fare occasionally. They know we won't give away our personal information. This Candy person almost made me wonder if it was a sting of some kind. My guess is that YMMV, depending on the girl. But that said, I have to admit the prices are outrageous. Candy's price was 1500/ hour, which was a bargain compared to most others on there.[/QUOTE]Had similar experience before but with agencies. They did require a name and room number so as to check if you were real and really in that room. They called the room to check. I was also worried about giving away a real name but then it went fine. Still I prefer those who do not ask such info and use these agencies on last resort.

I've also bumped into some escorts (mostly locals) who would even ask for some prepayment, which most foreigners can't do anyway even with alipay. I guess market is so much in their favor that they tend to have higher and higher requirements even for shitty service. Shanghai sucks.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2403233]Thanks for the report.

Just so you know HJ is included in the price at both location. You only need to pay 200-300 RMB tips if you wan't to have more access (taking top or / and bottom for free roaming). No reason to pay 500 in madang, they are just used to more people wasting money and more tourists not knowing the market.

If you take a vip card you get 100 RMB off per each session (so 396 rmb). If you take a 5000 RMB card they have a promotion till the end of the month where you get +2000 rmb on your card so 7 k total and still 100 RMB off per hour.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PeterFox;2402938]I've recently been visiting Shanghai and trying out 2 locations of a well known massage chain, it's been mentioned plenty of times in the past here. I went 2 times to the Madang road branch and 2 times to the Jiangning road branch. In my experience the Jiangning road is much better, the girls I had were both much prettier (especially #72), the rooms had way more privacy (double doors) and the service felt better. At madang road both the negotiations for HJ started at 500, at Jiangning it started at 300, with #72 even assuming I wanted a BJ (which I don't).[/QUOTE]At the Madang location, the boss or manager sometimes asked if you paid a tip when leaving, to make sure you got a HJ without tipping for the 500 rmb massage. So definitely don't tip unless you get more than a HJ.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2403199]I was looking at this site again recently, and the nice thing about it is that mongers review girls and they've reported it when they've gotten ripped off. [/QUOTE]I never used it because the photos on it look too much like Craiglist. Just like on Craiglist you have some of the legit girls advertising but the rest is more like bait and switch. And some have insane prices.

Looking for help as an expat that speaks Chinese. The last time I was back at the end of 2014 a few folks here pointed me in the right direction. I started out with BBSes in the Jingan area and eventually found a Chinese spa forum that had contact info and reviews but has since been shut down. I would prefer the spa experience over all else. Prices last time were around 500-800 for FS. I'm currently staying in Pudong near the Nanpu bridge. Will most likely wander around to check out BBS / bars in the area first. Would appreciate any tips.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2403370]I never used it because the photos on it look too much like Craiglist. Just like on Craiglist you have some of the legit girls advertising but the rest is more like bait and switch. And some have insane prices.[/QUOTE]Agree with you on both points. But sometimes I like to roll the dice just for fun, but that said, I have regretted it over 90 percent of the time.

[QUOTE=VonSauer;2403246]Had similar experience before but with agencies. They did require a name and room number so as to check if you were real and really in that room. They called the room to check. I was also worried about giving away a real name but then it went fine. Still I prefer those who do not ask such info and use these agencies on last resort.[/QUOTE]I am also okay with giving my name to an agency, especially those that have a good reputation. For example, Kitty's in Beijing. After I give her my name and hotel on WeChat, then a few minutes later I'll get a call from her at my hotel room. But I would never give a random WG my name and room number. They have no reputation, and maybe also little to lose if they tried anything questionable.

[QUOTE=OnlySkin;2403445]Looking for help as an expat that speaks Chinese. The last time I was back at the end of 2014 a few folks here pointed me in the right direction. I started out with BBSes in the Jingan area and eventually found a Chinese spa forum that had contact info and reviews but has since been shut down. I would prefer the spa experience over all else. Prices last time were around 500-800 for FS. I'm currently staying in Pudong near the Nanpu bridge. Will most likely wander around to check out BBS / bars in the area first. Would appreciate any tips.[/QUOTE]Last time you posted was 5 years ago, and since then, LOTS have changed. In fact, so much has changed that it would take me a couple of hours to catch you up. I think you should skim the forum, especially the last 2 years of posts. In short, most of what you're looking for no longer exists, or is risky.

Manhattan was raided last night approx 11 pm with ALL girls marched out in groups into back of waiting vans and cars. I arrived just as last couple groups marched out.

I walked down to Judys and it was business as normal there. I had been in Manhattan about 30 mins before the raid and I must admit there was a fabulous line up in attendance. Albeit vast majority of them were shopping for locals.

I have been informed that Judys was also raided last night. It was certainly business as usual before 10:30 pm and when I checked again 11:15 pm or so. I left empty handed as I had another meeting planned so I know not more than that.

I will visit both later tonight and see if there is any action going on.

Judys was also raided Tues nt with ALL girls marched out and into vans also. Last nt at Judys at 10:30 pm there was 2 girls only in attendance. Needless to say they were somewhat in demand.

Surprising to me was Manhattan had a fair sprinkling of girls. Prolly close to half what you would expect. Totally Chinese shoppers and no interest at all in the few Westerners there. I stayed for 1 drink and left. Will see what tonight brings later.

Went on aishxxx and contacted a few handlers. I believe almost all the advertisements are ran by the same ring. The process was the same as a few years ago, I was given a bunch of photos with prices and location. Photos were all heavy edited. I ended up visiting a shop in Jingan hidden in a hotel. Had to contact the handler beforehand and mention his name to the guide. The rooms were fine. Private, had a bed and shower. The lineup was decent enough even though I stopped by late. The prices were inflated as expected. I picked an "S" class girl for 2. 6, 70 min /2, girl was cute but had implants, wasn't overly enthusiastic but it was after 2 AM. The next night I stopped by earlier around midnight at a different location on Chongqing nan lu. The location was a dump, lineup / lobby was next door to the bedroom. Picked a 2. 3 girl who was worse looking but better in bed, 70/2 but I took too long for a second go. Not great experiences overall but understandable given the climate. The same types of hotel shops in 2014/15 offered 90 min / unlimited nuru for 600-1 k, but I imagine there's still better value than what I got even among spas / huisuo.

Thinking of looking for independent / incall appointments but the same forum doesn't have many attractive listings. NLO is another option but I'm not staying at a hotel and don't want to deal with the hassle of booking a room and having to show identification. Also don't have a bank card / QQ / wechat so can't pay reservation fees. I just signed up for a subscription here and will have PM soon if anyone has tips. The handlers I contacted are all on the front page of the aishxxx forum. Don't have any great advice except that it's better imo to see lineups and find someone you like instead of booking outcalls based on photos which are never accurate.

[QUOTE=TechAdv76;2401638]Thanks for the tip. Luckily after many years in and around Shanghai, I am moving to Nanjing to work on a new multi-year project. I will report on any worthwhile adventures. (I did not monger per se in Shanghai due to a very satisfactory long term live-in situation).[/QUOTE]Sure man, hit me up for nanjing, I basically do P4P exclusively there now. SH is still OK for dates, but sometimes you want to get served.

Tip: recently, the Dianping method by one members here (sorry I don't remember exactly who), which I also used to great effect, is leading to duds. A lot of Spas with 800-1000+ services menu, and pics of scantily clad masseuses, end up offering nothing. Trust me, I've straight up asked on wechat as well as tried and asked in person. Seems like a bunch of pretty girls learned how to make a quick buck. And the massages are worse than green.

Tried a wechat / QQ girl last night in Pudong. Girl wasn't great, average looking with stretch marks, but the location / price were. Made an appointment via wechat and met her at her apartment which was easy to get to and private. 600/ p. Will try a few others in the upcoming days. If anyone has any tips or wants to exchange information on girls feel free to PM.

Visited Shanghai for just a few nights. Thursday Dec 18, I had both in Judys and Manhattan a glass of wine. The girls told me about the raid by LE. But is was just business as usual, really a lot of girls available. I met a nice Vietnam lady that I met a year ago. She speak reasonable English and is in her 30's, which is perfect for me. We had a date the Friday after; like I mentioned in my previous post, my feeling is that the hotels are making it more difficult for the visiting ladies. My date was good, nice encounter including a trip to the Greek islands and a dinner afterwards. Dinner is always more enjoyable when the lady has some conversation. Her name was Li be. T. w. Vietnam, a bit heavy but nice face, well in her 30's.

Tried another QQ girl, 600/ p in hong kou district. She was advertised as a 5'10" ex-model but her picture were all heavily shopped. Wasn't expecting much but she was indeed the same height with a slender / model-like body. Did the usual, shower, BBBJ, multiple positions, and surprisingly a BBBJ finish. Private apartment in a high rise. Was great value. Will stick to wechat / QQ incalls from now on unless something changes.

Where do you find QQ / WeChqt girls please?

[QUOTE=Klaw88;2405483]Where do you find QQ / WeChqt girls please?[/QUOTE]You need to have QQ/wechat on your phone, then search for the girls.

There is information in the China forums on how to use QQ/wechat. A little bit of reading will answer all your questions.

Teltel.

[QUOTE=Klaw88;2405483]Where do you find QQ / WeChqt girls please?[/QUOTE]You can find facts on this website: [URL]https://www.chinahighlights.com/travelguide/article-qq.htm[/URL].

She returned to to old location. Just as perky and enthusiastic as ever, but no glitter on her eyelids.

Are there any Chinese-language mongering forums that the locals use? I'm curious to comb through them and maybe get some tips on what locals have found.

I finally tried Nightlife and I'm quite happy with the experience, the site seems to be ran very smoothly and there are a few girls that IMO are very cute.

Also I'm trying to use the new or aishxxx, I am in the process of getting my DM and other benefits with a full account here (Bitcoin is being a pain though).

I will be up to sharing QQs and Wechats too, I have a QQ contact that usually post some girls around per zone for in calls, mostly the price is 2000 k per hour and pop, haven't tried yet.

[QUOTE=IAmTrout;2406399]Are there any Chinese-language mongering forums that the locals use? I'm curious to comb through them and maybe get some tips on what locals have found.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.aishx.biz/[/URL]
https://www.shlf.pe/

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2405840]She returned to to old location. Just as perky and enthusiastic as ever, but no glitter on her eyelids.[/QUOTE]Good to know, I never cared for the glitter. Wish I was there. . Best BJ in Shanghai.

SAM.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2406858]Good to know, I never cared for the glitter. Wish I was there. . Best BJ in Shanghai.

SAM.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, better than Beverly Jones?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2406895]Hmmm, better than Beverly Jones?[/QUOTE]Hmm, never got around to the pleasure of Beverly but from what I have heard probably not. Still for a low end MP vs a high end visit from Beverly, the bang for the buck is definitely there.

Good news. Bizarrely good news. The bad weather has passed for the happy ending massage parlours past JinQiao and further out on the peninsular. They are there and new shops have opened recently. Take your time, you know what they look like and you'll see them. They have often have cameras outside which is good. Brothers, keep the prices low, the rate is 200 or 300 for free roaming, don't spoil for the rest, and I, by giving more. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2407091]Hmm, never got around to the pleasure of Beverly but from what I have heard probably not. Still for a low end MP vs a high end visit from Beverly, the bang for the buck is definitely there.[/QUOTE]Beverly will always hold a special place in my heart. A few years ago, a senior ISG member recommend her to me. I contacted her and asked if she could do incall and she said she cannot, but she offered to rent a ST hotel for us. She asked for my location and said she will even find a nearby hotel for me. I was stunned by her offer, because it meant she was willing to pay her taxi and for ST hotel even though she didn't know me. But she's probably so rich now, so she doesn't terribly mind getting ripped off on the rare occasion. Sessions are always 2 pops. First, best BJ ever with lots of rimming and CIM-and-swallow finish (I wonder if she purposely picked a name so that her initials are BJ, haha), and then she'll chat with you or show you some of her videos on her phone while you recover for round 2). When I paid, I gave her 200 extra for the hotel, but she laughed and said don't worry about it, but I insisted. After that first session, I asked for a discount for future sessions and she obliged. Met her a few more times, then stopped, as I moved on to others. Also, she's got to be at least 40 now, so my attraction to her just faded.

As for #18, thanks to Beijing4987 for pointing her out to me many years ago. I actually once got FS from her for 400 tip (I wore her out with my pleading), but she was a nervous starfish during the deed. She's better at other activities, haha.

FYI. Sam discovered #18. I'm only mentioning her again because times are a bit hard now, and I like her attitude. She has never haggled over the tip and is all smiles. She will not quit, using her bag of tricks to insure the outcome.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2407299]FYI. Sam discovered #18. I'm only mentioning her again because times are a bit hard now, and I like her attitude. She has never haggled over the tip and is all smiles. She will not quit, using her bag of tricks to insure the outcome.[/QUOTE]Then my debit to Sam is now up to 2, as he also introduced me to his Tina.

Sam, I O you!

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2407455]Then my debit to Sam is now up to 2, as he also introduced me to his Tina.

Sam, I O you![/QUOTE]BJ far surpassed my time with 18. She knows him now well while my time with her faded for other glories, every time I was in town, she was not and I would mis a re-engagement. She also got so busy that whenever I stopped to see her, they told me she was busy and I could wait or have another... Never was much to wait in shanghai!! always had too much popping to do!

I Still owe BJ for one of my favorite massage girls that I still try to see when I am in town. I promised not to share anymore on that topic other than we both benefited from that meeting

Thanks BJ for the words and Midwestern enjoy!! I am glad someone is enjoying my favorite girls while I waste away in the USA. LOL.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2407542]BJ far surpassed my time with 18. She knows him now well while my time with her faded for other glories, every time I was in town, she was not and I would mis a re-engagement. She also got so busy that whenever I stopped to see her, they told me she was busy and I could wait or have another... Never was much to wait in shanghai!! always had too much popping to do!

I Still owe BJ for one of my favorite massage girls that I still try to see when I am in town. I promised not to share anymore on that topic other than we both benefited from that meeting

Thanks BJ for the words and Midwestern enjoy!! I am glad someone is enjoying my favorite girls while I waste away in the USA. LOL.[/QUOTE]Sam and others wasting away in Pussy Prison USA. I know we all vary in our spending capacity but if you have $300-400 and some time for research it is no longer Pussy Prison. I started using Seeking Arrangement in June and have had 14 girls since then. All but one (who was a straight up hooker) were at a minimum great and at a max mind blowing. And that $400 buys you more than an hour. My min visit was 3 hrs including dinner and drinks and room time. And two of my three Vegas girls slept over no extra charge. Done properly it is a whole different experience than hookers.

Sam I Will send you my Vegas FR. Anyone else who wants to learn more about SA tips just PM me.

P.S. You need a lot of TIME to find the gems. I research for several weeks and chat up 20-30 girls before picking one or a few.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2407551]Sam and others wasting away in Pussy Prison USA. I know we all vary in our spending capacity but if you have $300-400 and some time for research it is no longer Pussy Prison. I started using Seeking Arrangement in June and have had 14 girls since then. All but one (who was a straight up hooker) were at a minimum great and at a max mind blowing. And that $400 buys you more than an hour. My min visit was 3 hrs including dinner and drinks and room time. And two of my three Vegas girls slept over no extra charge. Done properly it is a whole different experience than hookers.

Sam I Will send you my Vegas FR. Anyone else who wants to learn more about SA tips just PM me.

P.S. You need a lot of TIME to find the gems. I research for several weeks and chat up 20-30 girls before picking one or a few.[/QUOTE]Ha, hilarious you mention SA! Sam and I are PM buddies, and I told him to try SA. I used it for about 18 months and had 25 girls, many of them 20-somethings. But being on SA is almost like a full time job, haha, so I eventually quit. The other site I use in the states is rub maps. Met some of the hottest FS MP women on there, mostly on west coast. Anyway, I know both of you are into J and M in Shanghai, but if you need other fun when you guys are back in Shanghai, then PM me. Things are starting to get a bit better if you know where to go, but prices are insane.

Had a recent visit Shanghai and only one day was available to have some personal fun. Thanks a lot to Sam, graciouslly shared one of his favored, T with me. Unfortunately, T was not available on the night I landed in Shanghai at about 8 pm. One the way to hotel, T recommend her friend L to me. Quick connected with WeChat and set up a meeting at about 9:30. L came to my hotel on time, when I was just checked in. Luckly, the hotel gave me a bottle of wine as welcome gift. We shared the bottle of wine in the hot tub and had fun in both hot tub, and the bed and did all the things you all know about. I had great time and slept like a baby after she left at about 11 pm. I will not share any detailed info without Sam's permission.

Thanks again Sam.

JB.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;2408452]. I will not share any detailed info without Sam's permission.

Thanks again Sam.

JB.[/QUOTE]Hey Jude, Thanks for asking but it's your call. I don't see me coming back to Shanghai anytime soon. I think I'll just be a legend from here on out. LOL.

Thanks for the post, our posts keep this board alive. Frankly I refuse to give contacts to one post wonders or "takers" that don't share. The few times I have they never come through with a post. My contribution to the board I guess.

L is Lilly (pretty common name so not worried. She's an attractive 30 something MILF. Large Natural breasts, small waist and ass. I have always enjoyed L. It's almost like we are old friends.

Last time I met up with her, she had to take the taxi an hour cross town (as I was in pudong). It was great and when I handed her the money, she didn't even count it.

This is my second visit with Lili, she also turned me onto Tina (unlike Jude, where Tina turned him on to Lili), this post was from 2018 so I wouldn't expect to pay what I did then. Much different world back then. She went by LAM the first time I met her then came clean her name was Lilly. I may have been tough scoring her body, I'd give her an 8 today but I am a long way removed from 20 something trim. Ha!

I met her the night before for 2 pops and called her back in the afternoon the next day. . below is the next day.

Back at it the next day. Lam texted me at 130 pm She was over by 3 pm. 2 hours In the bed. 3 positions BJ. Pop. Post coital talking and then gave me a massage (she offered. What was I to do?) One thing led to another and I'm back in the saddle. Too tired to pop this time. (cut me some slack number 5 in less than 24 hours). She left I was happy. Correction from the earlier post lam has a body that's 7 and a definite 8 for a face. Body Just a litttle less tone for 32 - now I'm getting really fussy. 1000 plus 100 taxi.

Full post below.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai/page125[/URL]

I think I managed to meet with her before she went back to her hometown. She is supposedly coming back, and if she does, highly recommended if you are looking for a GFE with someone from your college years. Her Chinese was OK, her English was soso. Nice body, a bit chubby but her ass and tits were perky as you could imagine. Will check maybe one more from NO or try some QQ / aish forum girls. Waiting for my Bitcoin to go.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2403297]At the Madang location, the boss or manager sometimes asked if you paid a tip when leaving, to make sure you got a HJ without tipping for the 500 rmb massage. So definitely don't tip unless you get more than a HJ.[/QUOTE]I think I went to the wrong massage place in Madang Lu. #facepalm.

Hi guys,

I've just joined the site and am a regular visitor to Shanghai, 4-5 times a year since 2015. Have had some good hits and some big misses during my "career".

Thankfully I've established a small network in Nanjing Road and Jingan and have a few contacts on WeChat that I can fall back on if I don't see any value in Judys, which is more and more the case these days.

Last trip I stumbled on across Tantan and was able to hook up with a Filipino nanny for the week I was in Shanghai, all it cost me was a few meals, a few taxis, some hotel room service and I gave her 1000 RMB when I was heading to the airport. I'd lined up a few from Massage Republic while in Beijing but didn't need to call on them. Good job really as one of them is friendly with the girl I was with.

I guess the lesson here is to tread carefully in the Filipino community as there are some complications Because they all know each other.

I've a contact on WeChat that hangs around Nanjing Road WS, she has girls for 600 RMB but the quality can be hit or miss. Happy to pass her details to anyone but don't shoot the messenger.

I know this is my 1st post so I'll invariably come in for some stick but I'm happy to pass any info on to anybody.

Peace.

[QUOTE=LondonChris;2409696]Hi guys,

I've just joined the site and am a regular visitor to Shanghai, 4-5 times a year since 2015. Have had some good hits and some big misses during my "career".

Thankfully I've established a small network in Nanjing Road and Jingan and have a few contacts on WeChat that I can fall back on if I don't see any value in Judys, which is more and more the case these days.

Last trip I stumbled on across Tantan and was able to hook up with a Filipino nanny for the week I was in Shanghai, all it cost me was a few meals, a few taxis, some hotel room service and I gave her 1000 RMB when I was heading to the airport. I'd lined up a few from Massage Republic while in Beijing but didn't need to call on them. Good job really as one of them is friendly with the girl I was with.

I guess the lesson here is to tread carefully in the Filipino community as there are some complications Because they all know each other.

I've a contact on WeChat that hangs around Nanjing Road WS, she has girls for 600 RMB but the quality can be hit or miss. Happy to pass her details to anyone but don't shoot the messenger.

I know this is my 1st post so I'll invariably come in for some stick but I'm happy to pass any info on to anybody.

Peace.[/QUOTE]Good first post with good info.

So often first, and sometimes all, posts are begging for info and never a follow up report. I sometimes wonder if they even want others to arrange the girl for them as well.

The Philippine thing is sometimes called philipinanet, they seem to be connected everywhere.

Thanks for your report.

Teltel.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2407551]Sam and others wasting away in Pussy Prison USA. I know we all vary in our spending capacity but if you have $300-400 and some time for research it is no longer Pussy Prison. I started using Seeking Arrangement in June and have had 14 girls since then. All but one (who was a straight up hooker) were at a minimum great and at a max mind blowing. And that $400 buys you more than an hour. My min visit was 3 hrs including dinner and drinks and room time. And two of my three Vegas girls slept over no extra charge. Done properly it is a whole different experience than hookers.

Sam I Will send you my Vegas FR. Anyone else who wants to learn more about SA tips just PM me.

P.S. You need a lot of TIME to find the gems. I research for several weeks and chat up 20-30 girls before picking one or a few.[/QUOTE]Definitely interested in hearing more about this, Steve! I've checked out SA without paying but never signed up for a full account. Do you only use it in cities when traveling? I get paranoid about potentially using it in my home city and then someone seeing my profile or something. Any tips on profile / pics and initiating contact?

Is he still in the slammer?

Back in Shanghai's glory days (all of 4-5 years ago), Stephen was a pioneer making P4 P accessible to foreigners. More importantly, the girls who relied on his sites for contacts always spoke highly of him. As did the sales reps in the once flourishing saunas who served as points-of-contact for foreigners.

Like the rest of us, Stephen didn't see the crackdown coming, nor the fact that Shanghai would become a highly restrictive, intolerant city. He paid a high price.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2410020]Is he still in the slammer?

Back in Shanghai's glory days (all of 4-5 years ago), Stephen was a pioneer making P4 P accessible to foreigners. More importantly, the girls who relied on his sites for contacts always spoke highly of him. As did the sales reps in the once flourishing saunas who served as points-of-contact for foreigners.

Like the rest of us, Stephen didn't see the crackdown coming, nor the fact that Shanghai would become a highly restrictive, intolerant city. He paid a high price.[/QUOTE]He got an outrageously long jail sentence. Wasn't it 12 years? In China, can a person get out of jail before their sentence is up? Meanwhile, Rain was only in jail for less than a year. Anyway, yeah, I liked SNG a lot. My only beef was that he didn't publish negative reviews of the gals. But his site was otherwise reliable. Yeah, his gals did speak highly of him. And many mongers have met him and also liked him too. I love how he updated the status of the gals on a daily basis. I took his site for granted, and now that it's gone, I have to be pretty resourceful. NLO is a decent resurrection. I like that we can contact the gals directly. But NLO is still not up to SNG level yet. Hopefully it'll keep improving. But then again, I suppose NLO can never be like SNG, which was also a tremendous source of information on saunas, MPs, etc. , but now so much of that is pretty much gone.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2410020]Stephen was a pioneer making P4 P accessible to foreigners. More importantly, the girls who relied on his sites for contacts always spoke highly of him.[/QUOTE]He only provided access to girls for Laowais who were incapable of sourcing same for themselves. And of course the girls spoke highly of him cause the mugs who took up his services were paying way more than what was available elsewhere.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2410020]Stephen didn't see the crackdown coming .................................... He paid a high price.[/QUOTE]It was only ever going to end in tears and there was always going to be a very high price. Whilst I totally sympathise with his current situation Blind Freddy could see that a foreigner playing pimp in China was simply a disaster waiting to happen

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2410225]He only provided access to girls for Laowais who were incapable of sourcing same for themselves. And of course the girls spoke highly of him cause the mugs who took up his services were paying way more than what was available elsewhere.

It was only ever going to end in tears and there was always going to be a very high price. Whilst I totally sympathise with his current situation Blind Freddy could see that a foreigner playing pimp in China was simply a disaster waiting to happen[/QUOTE]Yes all steven did was compiling on a single blog what we reported on ISG / Samster /141, later on he added sauna which he took from AISH and then he teamed with one of the escorts to manage his agency before she split and he just had a receptionnist to deal with the others.

Was it helpful for people with no chinese skill who come on short trips? Yes for sure.

Was it helpful for people localy in Shanghai? For some yes again because of the language barrier but to others it made some girls which we had shared on the boards charge more than before. Jolin and later Hujin being good exemples. They were both posted on the Samster SG board for many months at 700 RMB / hour and suddenly poped up at 1200 RMB / hour on SNG. Same goes for others. I saw some of my reports about a MP I posted on that same SG board being rewritten on his blog and same goes for reports from other mongerers.

From what one of these girls told me back when he got busted she was ok with the commission paid to him and the receptionnist until they asked for a serious raise a few weeks before the bust. It was like 10% for the receptionnist and 20% for Steven and they wanted to put everyone on the site hotline to better monitor the transactions...

While he made a lot of money, the guy was just crazy being so vocal about his pimp job that I'm not surprised he got such a high sentence as a foreigner. He was totaly delusionnal about the risks taken. I still remember the arguments he made about sauna being the safests places to monger when we already had obvious reports of arrests with management taking 14 years prison, customers spending 2 weeks in the hole with report to their employer and families. At the begining he even had an "about me" page where he'd talk about his work in a media agency or whatever and his real life identity / life. We are all big boys and can only blame ourselves if we get busted one day, but at least lets not lie to ourselves to the risks we take and while I can take the risk going to a MP, I'd never risk myself as a pimp...

That being said and despite my opinion about his carelessness, and dislike of him monetising the content we posted for free on various boards, I can only sympathise on his current condition and wouldn't wish 12 years in a chinese prison to anyone.

[QUOTE=TheBandit888;2407235]Good news. Bizarrely good news. The bad weather has passed for the happy ending massage parlours past JinQiao and further out on the peninsular. They are there and new shops have opened recently. Take your time, you know what they look like and you'll see them. They have often have cameras outside which is good. Brothers, keep the prices low, the rate is 200 or 300 for free roaming, don't spoil for the rest, and I, by giving more. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the report. Can you give a bit more detail on the location please so I can go for a wander and find. I'm not familiar with what is meant by the peninsula. Cheers.

Instead of discussing SA on the Shanghai thread, I started a new thread under the dating agency sub-forum. Looking forward to the discussions.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements[/URL]

[QUOTE=RedVBlue;2409851]Definitely interested in hearing more about this, Steve! I've checked out SA without paying but never signed up for a full account. Do you only use it in cities when traveling? I get paranoid about potentially using it in my home city and then someone seeing my profile or something. Any tips on profile / pics and initiating contact?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2407551]Sam and others wasting away in Pussy Prison USA. I know we all vary in our spending capacity but if you have $300-400 and some time for research it is no longer Pussy Prison. I started using Seeking Arrangement in June and have had 14 girls since then. All but one (who was a straight up hooker) were at a minimum great and at a max mind blowing. And that $400 buys you more than an hour. My min visit was 3 hrs including dinner and drinks and room time. And two of my three Vegas girls slept over no extra charge. Done properly it is a whole different experience than hookers.

Sam I Will send you my Vegas FR. Anyone else who wants to learn more about SA tips just PM me.

P.S. You need a lot of TIME to find the gems. I research for several weeks and chat up 20-30 girls before picking one or a few.[/QUOTE]

I'll be visiting Shanghai the last week of January. Just wondering what the climate is like in Shanghai during Chinese New Year, particularly Manhattan and Judy's. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Stoney0925;2411509]I'll be visiting Shanghai the last week of January. Just wondering what the climate is like in Shanghai during Chinese New Year, particularly Manhattan and Judy's. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Could be extremely cold weather.

[QUOTE=Stoney0925;2411509]I'll be visiting Shanghai the last week of January. Just wondering what the climate is like in Shanghai during Chinese New Year, particularly Manhattan and Judy's. Thanks.[/QUOTE]During CNY most of Chinese girls leave town. But JD and MN "suppliers" are usually from Vietnam, therefore it should be fine. It's a long time I do not go there and I have read and heard many different versions: sometime are packed, sometime are empty.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2412345]During CNY most of Chinese girls leave town. But JD and MN "suppliers" are usually from Vietnam, therefore it should be fine. It's a long time I do not go there and I have read and heard many different versions: sometime are packed, sometime are empty.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]I don't know for a fact if JD and MH keep their rhythm during CNY, but I am sure that in Vietnam they also hold festivities of the same kind during this time, so if it's for that reason the Vietnamese girls might be also out of town.

[QUOTE=LondonChris;2409696]Hi guys,

I've just joined the site and am a regular visitor to Shanghai, 4-5 times a year since 2015. Have had some good hits and some big misses during my "career".

Thankfully I've established a small network in Nanjing Road and Jingan and have a few contacts on WeChat that I can fall back on if I don't see any value in Judys, which is more and more the case these days.

Last trip I stumbled on across Tantan and was able to hook up with a Filipino nanny for the week I was in Shanghai, all it cost me was a few meals, a few taxis, some hotel room service and I gave her 1000 RMB when I was heading to the airport. I'd lined up a few from Massage Republic while in Beijing but didn't need to call on them. Good job really as one of them is friendly with the girl I was with.

I guess the lesson here is to tread carefully in the Filipino community as there are some complications Because they all know each other.

I've a contact on WeChat that hangs around Nanjing Road WS, she has girls for 600 RMB but the quality can be hit or miss. Happy to pass her details to anyone but don't shoot the messenger.

I know this is my 1st post so I'll invariably come in for some stick but I'm happy to pass any info on to anybody.

Peace.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Could you please pass their details?

I will be posting a report shortly and check out J&M as mentioned here. However I don't think it will be very hopeful given what others have mentioned.

As promised, my field report after my week here. First time posting a report so please excuse any mistakes.

On 14 January I went to Judys and Manhattan around 9-10 pm just to find they were closed! No sign whatsoever for being closed as the Lunar Year approaches. There was a bar called THE SPOT who appears to be somehow related to J&the but it also relocated to another place. I went to the new one but it was closed as well.

On 15 January I went to Yu SPA in Madang Road station, next to Bamboo7. Think closest exit is 4. When I came in I was looking at the offerings and there was no mention of 496 plan, so I just asked them whether there were any "special services" with the body oil massages as they were all around 400. The cashier said there weren't! So I was doubting whether I was in the right place so I said that people recommended this place for the 496 plan. As soon as I said 496, she knew exactly what I was talking about and she said that yes, it is still available but there will be a small surcharge of 20 due to the Lunar Year so 516 in total.

I accepted and I was escorted upstairs.

(Quick parenthesis here. This seems like a legit MP, clean, big and people having normal foot massage, it is just that these offerings are way more subtle.).

I was taken to one of the rooms in the end of the corridor, with a shower next to it. As I started to realized, the further away the entrance you are bigger the chances that all the customers around that area are for the 496 plan as I saw another guy almost naked on another room.

A lady came in which (No 78 and I think she has appeared some time before but she said she was knew and just started working here so it cannot be the 78 that others mentioned before, perhaps 78 means 492 plan girls? A bit short, 27 had surgery on her face (nose, chin and eyes), above average fake tits (not natty) and above average ass (per Chinese standards). A bit "thicc" again per Chinese standards. Overall I would say see was 6-7/10. To be fair, I was expecting much worse as all the ladies I've seen so far there weren't particularly good looking nor young.

Introduced herself and told me to I could shower why she was gathering stuff. Did a bit of try hard upselling for a 60 oil instead of standard one.

I showered and she came back with the one off shorts which I put one. She said it was great that I had a room of three beds just for me.

She started massaging my back and said that if I wanted to have the 2 hour session instead. The following might be a but fuzzy and not the actual words said but this is as I recalled it: I said that at the moment I didn't want to, just wanted to check how the hour session goes and decide after that. She did again a lot of upselling as before with the oil (I'd explain soon why she was so eager) like saying that she could give me a proper massage now and then go more in depth around my crotch area for the full 60 minutes, I resisted and I said I just wanted the 60 minutes. She said then she would have to rush some other areas during the 60 minutes one and wanted to ensure I had proper attention for my crotch area so I said, well then, stop doing my back now and let's focus on my lower body. I think she was a little bit surprised but started massaging my penis right away, rubbing it with oil. She said that basically from the 492 we pay in the beginning we only pay 100 to her and rest is to the management however if I were to do 2 hours then she will get more profit sharing from that (I think she said 400 out of the 492?

If you have membership with them its 100 less however during this time there are no discounts due to employee shortage.

At some point I guess I got a little bit bored (I am not the type of guy who just says that I just want to lay dow and do nothing) so I said I wanted to have some fun with her. She said that if I paid 300 I could touch her boobs. I tried haggling down the price but she won't won't do less than 300, then at some she said that for 500 I could to anything to her. So I started fingering her, touching her clit, nipples, etc and she got super wet while she was doing a HJ while sucking my nipples. She was super horny, she literally wanted me to fuck her there, telling me she really liked the doggy position but she couldn't do it here (apparently management does not allow it or she didn't want to do it here). She came on top of me to keep working my lower body while kissing me. I think she came like three times and it was super watery all over the place. She kept moaning and I had to repeatedly told her to keep it down. It was a lot of GFE stuff, calling me "husband", that she really liked me touching her, liked my little John as it was rock hard, etc.

So we finished and then she said that I could take her for a full night plus morning, do it two times at night, then another one in the morning, as she said that he needs to come at least three times to feel good. I politely declined as I had stuff to do the following day. She went showering and after coming back with some tea she wanted my WeChat for next time. She said that usually customers just want her to do HJ or whatever it is and don't "play" that much with her as to make her come like 3 times so she was super happy that I did that to her and would love to see me again.

I showered, dressed up, gave her the 500 tip and went to pay (you tip right there and apparently girls don't want management to know you have tip them). As I was coming out there I saw a back room where I guess all the 492 girls are and she told them that she had a really good time with me (I mean, I think it was loud and clearly the girls on the other side heard it). Walked with me to the cashier and we said good bye to each other.

Overall damage was 516 + 500. I think the price was definitely high, as at this points you are getting close to having FS but she did a good massage, GFE with BBBJ and DATY if I wanted (pretty much everything but no sexual intercourse).

I also have another story of how I got into on of these apartments brothels and came out without paying the 8000 they wanted me to in order to get out. If people are interested I will share more details in my next report.

[QUOTE=KID1413;2413680]
I also have another story of how I got into on of these apartments brothels and came out without paying the 8000 they wanted me to in order to get out. If people are interested I will share more details in my next report.[/QUOTE]Good report, KID. Yes, the 496 option is off menu. You have to explicitly ask for it. Yes, some of these gals are available for takeout overnight. Yes, they upsell on the oil, which always annoys me. It's actually supposed to be an 80 minute massage, but they always finish in less than an hour, which is okay with me. Overall, it seems like you had a good experience. This place is the epitome of YMMV, depending on the girl, and I guess chemistry, and also tip amount. 500 tip may have been a bit high though, unless you got a long lasting BBBJ.

Anyway, I am curious about your apartment brothel story. Lots of details are appreciated.