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[QUOTE=Kartolo;2216283]I am in Jakarta at the moment and did a search for girls on social media such as Wechat and Twitter. I came across the term 'bo ' and wonder how they operate. Has anyone tried them before and give some insight?[/QUOTE]This just happened and then she added "tapi saya tidak bisa" & "saya biasa DI kosan saya".

Saying she didn't want to go to the hotel she has a boarding house near by. This chick said "Open BO" some of them use BO as short for booking instead of outcall so kind of hit and miss sometimes.

I had a few good ones this super hot girl for 500 k as well of wechat they are almost all hookers so you can just shotgun message the ones in your area and see who replys. Wechat takes some work but if the massage places are closed or its late at night nothing beats pussy delivery. I also wouldn't recommend going to the boarding houses unless you know the drill already or at the very least check em out earlier in the day. Those places can be pretty rough and no security of any kind.

This may be good or bad depending on what floats your boat but wechat in general is a mine field of shemales / ladyboys so just a heads up... Extremely photoshopped /filtered pictures real hard to tell when they are in womens clothes. When in doubt ask.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2216192]No offense. Just being a bule. Not with a girl. No drugs. I wasn't even intoxicated. They were going to haul me to the police station if I didn't pay. Had my passport with me too. Claimed that I was supposed to report to the police station. Arguing that I was a tourist, didn't have to report, and have visited many times didn't help.
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Most people will assume I'm a fool that misread the situation and am easily intimidated, but I would have paid more to get out of it.[/QUOTE]I suspect there may be more to this situation that you may not be telling us? But if that really was the case, I would have called their bluff and walked into the police car and request to call your embassy. Generally street police are not so audacious as to make up fake charges completely out of thin air. They usually only try squeeze you of of a minor infraction or technicality, like the need to carry official ID / Passport.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2216192]No offense. Just being a bule. Not with a girl. No drugs. I wasn't even intoxicated. They were going to haul me to the police station if I didn't pay. Had my passport with me too. Claimed that I was supposed to report to the police station. Arguing that I was a tourist, didn't have to report, and have visited many times didn't help.

Maybe I look like a guy with money. I don't know. I've dealt with police many times all over south-east Asia and had never experienced anything like it.

I tried to get out of it paying 500 k, but they were having none of it.

Most people will assume I'm a fool that misread the situation and am easily intimidated, but I would have paid more to get out of it.

Happened Jalan Angkasa on google maps.[/QUOTE]Others will be quick to judge but it sounds like you got the cop on a bad hair day or were just at the wrong place at the wrong time. Cops trying to amass funds to take home for Ramadan or to pay for a Colnel's new promotion can be risky times.

Remember that the police operate on a strong patriarchal system so most of the funds are sent up the line. The guy you paid the money to kept very little of the 3 jt.

Regardless, you made it out for $250. If you went to the station, you would have been adding zeros to this.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2216192]No offense. Just being a bule. Not with a girl. No drugs. I wasn't even intoxicated. They were going to haul me to the police station if I didn't pay. Had my passport with me too. Claimed that I was supposed to report to the police station. Arguing that I was a tourist, didn't have to report, and have visited many times didn't help.

Maybe I look like a guy with money. I don't know. I've dealt with police many times all over south-east Asia and had never experienced anything like it.

I tried to get out of it paying 500 k, but they were having none of it.

Most people will assume I'm a fool that misread the situation and am easily intimidated, but I would have paid more to get out of it.

Happened Jalan Angkasa on google maps.[/QUOTE]I have been pulled over many times for the passport scam. Sometimes I give them money, sometimes not. The one and only time I did have my passport with me during one of the passport scam shakedowns, I had the exact same experience (other than the amount paid). I had only been in town 2 days. They first asked to see my passport. When I DID have my passport, they immediately transitioned to "did you report your arrival to the police station when you arrived? Where is that report?" They then went on to use that as the shakedown reason going forward. To shake you down like that though takes a cop who can speak English pretty damn well. I looked it up on the internet when I got home, and there was actually a law that states all foreign visitors to Indonesia have to fill out a report with the police station when they arrive. Nobody ever does that though. (If you are staying at a hotel, the hotel is supposed to do it for you. I did tell the cop I was staying at the Mulia, and I could see he hesitated pushing me after I said that, but he thought about it for a second then did continue pushing for money.) The bottom line is that when the police are set in their mind to get some money out of you, they are going to keep coming up with as many BS reasons as possible. That's why I don't even bother carrying my passport ever anymore. It doesn't help and I may lose it.

I don't drive a car in Jakarta anymore. However, when I used to drive a car in Jakarta, I would be pulled over on occasion by the Police for trivial traffic violations. On those occasions, the negotiations were never a problem and they never asked to see my passport, they just stuck to the actual infraction and had me pay a small fine (directly to them of course) for that. They usually wanted 50 k and never more than 100 k. I would speak Bahasa to them and they were fair for the most part. Sure it's annoying to be hassled by the police at any time, but hell, I don't mind paying 5 to 10 USD for a traffic infraction. It costs 200 USD or more for the same in the USA.

However, the passport scam shakedowns are a completely different thing. Totally unethical.

One of the main reasons to get a driver in some SE Asian countries. The convenience far out weigh the risks. That is why some locals I know tell me to just walk away and disappear and grab a taxi when something smells wrong. They can then settle it on local basis.

In rural US, shake downs are quite regular. Once I was in a rental and the cost was close to 1 k. Those were the days when rentals had bumper stickers and such. Big neon signs "Sukker on board". Similar shake downs in New Jersey. Which was surprising to me. It appears to be still going strong.

I have heard about the passport shake down but, knock on wood, no problems yet.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2216497]I don't drive a car in Jakarta anymore. However, when I used to drive a car in Jakarta, I would be pulled over on occasion by the Police for trivial traffic violations. On those occasions, the negotiations were never a problem and they never asked to see my passport, they just stuck to the actual infraction and had me pay a small fine (directly to them of course) for that. They usually wanted 50 k and never more than 100 k. I would speak Bahasa to them and they were fair for the most part. Sure it's annoying to be hassled by the police at any time, but hell, I don't mind paying 5 to 10 USD for a traffic infraction. It costs 200 USD or more for the same in the USA.

However, the passport scam shakedowns are a completely different thing. Totally unethical.[/QUOTE].

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[QUOTE=JktJon;2216362]I suspect there may be more to this situation that you may not be telling us? But if that really was the case, I would have called their bluff and walked into the police car and request to call your embassy. Generally street police are not so audacious as to make up fake charges completely out of thin air. They usually only try squeeze you of of a minor infraction or technicality, like the need to carry official ID / Passport.[/QUOTE]I don't really care if you believe me or not.

Going to a police station in the early hours of the morning in a city I didn't know well, with police that had just tried their best to extort me is a situation only a fool would put themselves in.

I make money so I don't have to argue over a couple of hundred bucks with guys that could plant drugs on me, beat me, or just waste 6 hours of my life holding me until morning.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2216497]

I don't drive a car in Jakarta anymore. However, when I used to drive a car in Jakarta, I would be pulled over on occasion by the Police for trivial traffic violations. On those occasions, the negotiations were never a problem and they never asked to see my passport, they just stuck to the actual infraction and had me pay a small fine (directly to them of course) for that. They usually wanted 50 k and never more than 100 k. I would speak Bahasa to them and they were fair for the most part. Sure it's annoying to be hassled by the police at any time, but hell, I don't mind paying 5 to 10 USD for a traffic infraction. It costs 200 USD or more for the same in the USA.

However, the passport scam shakedowns are a completely different thing. Totally unethical.[/QUOTE]Agreed, the traffic fines are a kind of a fair cop. The road block shakedowns not so.

OS strongly recommends getting a MOGE, (Motor Gede), aka a big noisy motorcycle. Ducati's are good. As a rule of thumb they tend to avoid pulling over big bikes as a disproportionate number of senior police, or otherwise well connected risk takers ride them.

OS turned East at Mall Atrium on his way to Cempakah Mas the other day and failed to immediately enter the bike lane after coming off the overpass and guess what? Spotted him in his Hi vis and could see him moving out to get me pulled over. But with the STNK rego papers and drivers license sitting at home on the table. OS just floored it. Poor kid didn't even have time to get his baton out and take a swing and OS was just a burble in his disappointments for the day. Funny bit was shortly afterwards, some other dude on a big bike went flying past me going even faster. Poor Constable Care was having a bad day.

[QUOTE=JktJon;2216362]I would have called their bluff and walked into the police car and request to call your embassy. Generally street police are not so audacious as to make up fake charges completely out of thin air[/QUOTE]Jon, good call. Report back on how that works for you next time it happens. Most embassies have senior staff on standby at the middle of the night and are ready to assist their citizens to avoid charges when technically they have not complied with local laws.

I'd suggest you also insist on speaking to the cop's Superiors and even the Media. I'm sure they will side with the Bule out roaming the streets at 3 am and force the cop to back down. Remember the more fuss and noise you make the better it is for you.

This will be much more effective than the $200 and 30 minutes that Marky was charged for being a white guy in the wrong place at the wrong time. A felony in most areas of Asia.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2216662]OS strongly recommends getting a MOGE, (Motor Gede), aka a big noisy motorcycle. Ducati's are good. As a rule of thumb they tend to avoid pulling over big bikes as a disproportionate number of senior police, or otherwise well connected risk takers ride them.

OS turned East at Mall Atrium on his way to Cempakah Mas the other day and failed to immediately enter the bike lane after coming off the overpass and guess what? Spotted him in his Hi vis and could see him moving out to get me pulled over. But with the STNK rego papers and drivers license sitting at home on the table. OS just floored it.[/QUOTE]Ummm, be careful out there:

Rich, connected, fast Duc rider 0.

Jl Sudirman pot plant 1.

[URL]http://jakartaglobe.id/archive/top-adaro-energi-exec-killed-in-motorcycle-accident/[/URL]

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2216662]Agreed, the traffic fines are a kind of a fair cop. The road block shakedowns not so.

OS strongly recommends getting a MOGE, (Motor Gede), aka a big noisy motorcycle. Ducati's are good. As a rule of thumb they tend to avoid pulling over big bikes as a disproportionate number of senior police, or otherwise well connected risk takers ride them.

OS turned East at Mall Atrium on his way to Cempakah Mas the other day and failed to immediately enter the bike lane after coming off the overpass and guess what? Spotted him in his Hi vis and could see him moving out to get me pulled over. But with the STNK rego papers and drivers license sitting at home on the table. OS just floored it. Poor kid didn't even have time to get his baton out and take a swing and OS was just a burble in his disappointments for the day. Funny bit was shortly afterwards, some other dude on a big bike went flying past me going even faster. Poor Constable Care was having a bad day.[/QUOTE]The worst is when you get shaken down by those motorcycle cops on the big bikes. I've found they demand the highest bribes.

I wonder if one could outrun them though at 3 am if you had they own Ducati? I would think it would be easy enough to run away from a normal police roadblock with one, but to outrun a cop who is also on one may be an exciting challenge.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2216777]Jon, good call. Report back on how that works for you next time it happens. Most embassies have senior staff on standby at the middle of the night and are ready to assist their citizens to avoid charges when technically they have not complied with local laws.[/QUOTE]Your sarcasm, is unhelpful. Just so we know your level of expertise, How many police checks have you been through, and how many local Officers have you conversed with in Bahasa? And do you know how they operate to meet their quotas, and their chain of command for reporting? You seem to forget that the poster 'alleged' that he did not break any law, and I was operating on this assumption. What law did he not technically not comply with? There is no law for 'being at the wrong place at the wrong time' as you claim. The officers would need to completely fabricate an illegitimate charge, and report it to the commandant in order to abandon their post to bring you to the station, and would themselves risk trouble if it was falsely escalated and exposed.

To counter your point, a friend of mine was once pulled over by Police in a taxi, and didn't have his passport. They wanted 1 juta and he didn't want to pay that, so he walked into the back of the police car and said go ahead take me to the station and we'll sort this out. He was willing to call out their bluff as they were trying to hose him. After a few minutes the cops asked if he could pay 300 k instead. If they don't want to go to the hassle of booking him for a 'real' offence, how much less inclined would they be for a made-up offence?

Anyways, I'm not telling you or anyone else how to handle this situation. It's up to the individual to decide what they want to do, but there is a limit to how far officers will go before exposing themselves to risk or excess inconvenience, especially in recent years since the Ahok regime started cracking down on renegade cops. For them to take you to the station, they have to file a report report with the commandant in order to leave their post, and if they take too much time with any single car or miss their quotas they also get in trouble from the commandant, so I've never heard of any low level officer doing that without an actual justifiable cause. Personally, after going through dozens of police checks, and speaking with them in Bahasa during these checks to understand how they operate, I'm not naive enough to pay 3 juta for not breaking any law or doing anything wrong. It would be a different story however if I did 'technically' break some law.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2216206]Hotel Travel.

1 lady 1 pop - 1 hour - 350 k (I got this).

2 ladies 2 pops 1. 5 h - 500 k (the girl said most guys do this 2 girl session).

3 ladies 2+ pops 1. 5 h - 700 k.

She also mentioned that the rooms are larger with more ladies.

I took one girl but this production kind of turned me off with all off the real intimate service I was getting at these shithole massage places Travel hotel was more of a turn and burn kind of place.

At least its cheap. I went up to the room with the girl everything kind of normal until she started to get ready for her session she sprayed everything with mouthwash my balls which actually kind of stung a little bit from the mouthwash the best thing was the ball massage I kind of opted out of sex cause she was so mechanical her pussy was as dry as the nevada desert kinda like like a rubber chew toy. I decided to just save it for later at one of the shops I know where I can relax. This place for a noob I think is heaven but for someone who has been here a few times the smaller massage shops offer a more personal touch. I guess I just feel more at ease when the girls are not trying to kick you out the door to get to the next customer. She was pretty but her attitude was kind of turning me off she had hand sanitizer and lube and a spray bottle and this pad she sprayed with mouthwash on it and held the condom like it was baby jesus. Good thing is the price is right bad thing is this place is kind of clinical it feels more like a sperm donation than sex to me. Going to head out later tonight and grab a more GFE experience at the body to body shops.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information on BO, MM.

Went to Hotel Travel yesterday afternoon. The last time I went, an entrance fee was charged which can be set off against any expenditure. I was surprised this has been waived. Charges were as reported and was told these are promotional prices in the afternoon. Anyway took the double package after a short chit chat. Ordered drinks in the room for three of us and the bill was almost 150 K for just 2 packet drinks and a can of Coke. Beware of the price before you order!

[QUOTE=Kartolo;2216847]Ordered drinks in the room for three of us and the bill was almost 150 K for just 2 packet drinks and a can of Coke. Beware of the price before you order![/QUOTE]I don't pay much attention to drink prices at Travel but 50 k per drink doesn't sound too outrageous. How much were you thinking it should be?

Forget about drink prices. How was your 3 some? Better than the general consensus we read about?

[QUOTE=JktJon;2216840]Your sarcasm, is unhelpful. Just so we know your level of expertise, [/QUOTE]Probably.

I'm not presenting myself as a "expert" but I do strongly disagree with assumptions that Indonesian police fully comply with and act only upon local laws. While inroads have been made, corruption is still rife within all levels of policing.

[QUOTE=JktJon;2216840]How many police checks have you been through[/QUOTE]Again, I'm no expert and this is not a pissing contest. Just to present facts and outcomes of my interactions as requested:

Road block of my taxi at 4 am with my legitimate girlfriend and 3 of her friends, heading back from a night's clubbing and the girls dressed accordingly. Even I thought we looked guilty. Refused to hand over passport but gave local ID. One older girl jumped to my defence saying I was a friend of her husband (true) and I spoke Bahasa. Result: stopped maybe 30 minutes and paid 50 k.

Me driving a vehicle across provincial borders without registering the vehicle locally (technically car registration is for the Province the car is registered in only and an additional permit is required in another Province. Note "technically" as it happens all the time but with a white guy driving, you get the idea). Stopped maybe 20 minutes, showed my valid SIM drivers license and was given the option of 20 k paid at the station an hour away or 70 k, there and then. I paid 70 k.

In a taxi from the airport. The driver followed a ministerial car as his escort cleared traffic. The last police bike stopped us for 15 minutes threatening the driver. I said nothing. Driver paid small "fine" and I gave him a 100 k tip.

Probably dozens of vanilla stops where no one was in the wrong and nothing of consequence happened.

[QUOTE=JktJon;2216840]how many local Officers have you conversed with in Bahasa? And do you know how they operate to meet their quotas, and their chain of command for reporting? [/QUOTE]I'm not in the military nor LE but I do work in a very heavily legislated industry. In different roles, I dealt with Kepolsek, Kepolda, Kepolri anywhere from a daily to monthly basis.

"Quotas" as I said, are ad hoc and can be driven by seasonal events (Ramadan etc) when demand is high or opportunism (foreigners in town for Asia Games, illegal timber areas etc).

Promotion can be earned, nepotism or bought. If bought, they are not cheap. I've heard numbers of USD 100 k to become a Colonel in a lucrative area and I believe it. Obviously, if borrowed, this needs to be paid back. If not, it needs to earn return and patriachal kickbacks form a significant part of this.

[QUOTE=JktJon;2216840]You seem to forget that the poster 'alleged' that he did not break any law, and I was operating on this assumption. What law did he not technically not comply with?[/QUOTE]Show documentation proving that he had reported to police. Obviously this is handled by the hotel he was staying at and is very rarely enforced bit it's normally the next question asked after "Show us your ID". I wasn't justifying the police's position but pointing out that Embassies are very reluctant to get involved if there has been a breach (however rediculous).

[QUOTE=JktJon;2216840]There is no law for 'being at the wrong place at the wrong time' as you claim.[/QUOTE]Yes, there is no legislation about a foreigner being a convenient and lucrative target. However in the real world, corruption is very opportunistic and if the possibility presents itself it will be grasped. A "rich" white guy who may not know legal requirements and has any gaps in documentation etc is mana from heaven.

[QUOTE=JktJon;2216840]To counter your point, a friend of mine was once pulled over by Police in a taxi, and didn't have his passport. They wanted 1 juta and he didn't want to pay that, so he walked into the back of the police car and said go ahead take me to the station and we'll sort this out. He was willing to call out their bluff[/QUOTE]I totally agree that calling the police's bluff can be effective but be prepared that if yours is call the ramifications can be severe. Marky has said that risk was worth paying the $200.

[QUOTE=JktJon;2216840]I'm not naive enough to pay 3 juta for not breaking any law or doing anything wrong. It would be a different story however if I did 'technically' break some law.[/QUOTE]Do I think 3 jt was excessive and Marky was ripped off? Yes.

It could have been less but it also could have been a lot more if he stood his ground unsuccessfully.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2216963]Probably.

I'm not presenting myself as a "expert" but I do strongly disagree with assumptions that Indonesian police fully comply with and act only upon local laws. While inroads have been made, corruption is still rife within all levels of policing.

Again, I'm no expert and this is not a pissing contest. Just to present facts and outcomes of my interactions as requested:

Road block of my taxi at 4 am with my legitimate girlfriend and 3 of her friends, heading back from a night's clubbing and the girls dressed accordingly. Even I thought we looked guilty. Refused to hand over passport but gave local ID. One older girl jumped to my defence saying I was a friend of her husband (true) and I spoke Bahasa. Result: stopped maybe 30 minutes and paid 50 k.[/QUOTE]They wanted 10 million to start with. It took a lot of negotiating to get it down.

Like I said, happy to walk away for 3 million.

These guys weren't playing games.

Going with completely unreasonable, unhinged corrupt police in the early hours of the morning on my own in a city I don't know is incredibly stupid.

If they're willing to extort me for 10 million for being a bule, I wouldn't put anything past them. Any kind of trumped up charge, plant drugs, just hold me at the station to fuck with me.

It was a Bluebird taxi I was in not a fake Bluebird.

And not fake police. It was too big of an operation on a road with traffic to be bandits. I would have been stopped on the side of the road for at 10 minutes.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2216963]Probably.

I'm not presenting myself as a "expert" but I do strongly disagree with assumptions that Indonesian police fully comply with and act only upon local laws. While inroads have been made, corruption is still rife within all levels of policing.

Again, I'm no expert and this is not a pissing contest.[/QUOTE]Are you sure you're not expert? Because its quite a mixed message to deny it, and then write a 10 paragraphs essay cherry picking and twisting my points in your counter-argument.

I'm really not trying to attack anyone, and I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just have a different experience and perspective about this, that's all.

I NEVER said the police were not corrupt, and ONLY act upon local laws. It is well known they are corrupt. All I said was that there are limits to their corruption. Sure, Indonesia is not as lawful as Europe, but at the same time its not as lawless as wild-west.

My belief-until someone proves otherwise with actual evidence and not speculation or hearsay- is they won't actually Jail you for simply being a white guy walking around with the proper ID (a kitas or passport) who didn't do anything wrong. It doesn't mean that they won't use that as a 'threat' to try squeeze the new, naive or gullible. My small sample size of people I know that called their bluffs, were able to get their asking prices substantially lowered to small amounts where it was acceptable just pay them and get it over with (not worth saving $20 on principle to find out). If they did throw you in jail for something as benign as 'being a tourist failing to report to a police station', you absolutely can and should report that to your embassy, they are there to help their citizens and would make inquiries. The Police would be reluctant to have that type negative press get out, as corruption exploits have led to firings if you watch the news, and I guarantee you an officer would get fired for pulling a stunt like that. If you can show me evidence of people actually being jailed for such bogus and benign charges I'll take it all back, but my experiences and the empirical evidence shown to me lead me to believe they are not that audacious as to actually follow through threats of such bogus charges onto tourists (perhaps in the past, but definitely not now).

I don't blame or be-grudge Marky for paying up also, and I'm not attacking him in any way. He's a new person in an unfamiliar environment, and frankly it wasn't a big deal to him financially to risk finding out. I totally get it. I am just really surprised for the amount they asked for (10 Juta correct?) because it is a-typical, and I'm not sure why they tried it on him or thought they could get it from him? While he talked it down significantly (which is an indicator they just swung for the fences), my own belief is that if he held his ground, he could have gotten it down to the normal amount and they wouldn't have thrown him in jail for it anyways- at most inconvenienced him for a few hours. Just the usual posturing I've seen several times over and over. You have to think from the officers perspective also. Incidents of corruption like this have been publicised in the news leading to the demotion / sacking of officers accused or seen accepting bribes (increasingly since the Ahok regime, this is why they make you be ultra discrete handing them money, sometimes even putting it into an object, then to the officer), so the officers are also weighing their own risks and want to keep it quiet also, and I don't think they themselves want to die on that hill for a measly couple Juta because a lawful tourist wanted to test their resolve to be corrupt. Its a game of chicken and 99/100 times the Police are happy with a small victory.

That's just my 2 cents and I'm absolutely leaving it at that. You are free to handle these situations however you choose, I'm not forcing anybody. Lets just get back to topic, this has been beaten to death!

This Blok M party is dead stick a fork in it half the street is pitch black the rest has a total of maybe 20-30 girls dispersed around 3 or 4 bars. In contrast hotel travel has like maybe 100 in one massage parlor.

Of the 20 girls maybe 10 are 20-30 and 10 30-40, I used Agoda Homes where the host failed to show up and I had no where to stay I was supposed to stay in a luxurious apartment at the marina I am now stuck in the shitole formerly known as Blok M. My time here has be desperately refreshing wechat to look for real women and price is kind of high I got quoted 700 k-1 mil but in a desert almost anything looks good. I went to a few bars here in Blok M the desperation here you could cut with a knife I'm just going to not partake and use these days to recharge my time in mangga besar I had about 20 women in a super short amount if time that's a lot of viagra popping, just going to detox and relax for the few days I'm in Blok M.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2217440]This Blok M party is dead stick a fork in it half the street is pitch black the rest has a total of maybe 20-30 girls dispersed around 3 or 4 bars.[/QUOTE]If you went on a Sunday night, that will be true. It was also true on a Sunday night at Blok M years ago.

I agree that it's pretty dead, but you can still find fun at Ds or My Bar from Wednesday thru Saturday nights.

Long time back almost 10 years back, I and my wife were travelling Jakarta and we were in rental car travelling from Jakarta to Bangor for a day trip. We were sitting at rear and I asked driver are we required to wear seat belt and he said no need. Well moment we enter Bogor police blew whistle and stop the car and he duck his head inside and asked us why we are not wearing seat belt. I said in English driver said you don't need. But he said driver is not local so does not know local law. He asked for my papers and my wife was carrying photo copy of our PP, (our hotel advise us to carry photocopy instead of original) and police ask me why we don't carry original PP. I said original PP is in hotel locker and if you don't trust my Photocopy then you can call immigration office and check the originality of PP. Car was stop for more then 25 minutes and finally I ask driver how much he need, so driver said he want 50 K I said OK you pay from your pocket now and I will pay you afterwards as we don't want to show our wallet and he demands more. So finally we paid 50 K and moved on. So this incident has left sour taste about Indonesia trip otherwise all is well. So we need to know few some basic rules, carry photo copy of PP, never hand over original then you are stuck if he keep PP in his custody. Don't open wallet and don't negotiate yourselves.

[QUOTE=JktJon;2217285]Are you sure you're not expert? Because its quite a mixed message to deny it, and then write a 10 paragraphs essay cherry picking and twisting my points in your counter-argument.

I'm really not trying to attack anyone, and I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just have a different experience and perspective about this, that's all.

I NEVER said the police were not corrupt, and ONLY act upon local laws. It is well known they are corrupt. All I said was that there are limits to their corruption. Sure, Indonesia is not as lawful as Europe, but at the same time its not as lawless as wild-west.

My belief-until someone proves otherwise with actual evidence and not speculation or hearsay- is they won't actually Jail you for simply being a white guy walking around with the proper ID (a kitas or passport) who didn't do anything wrong. It doesn't mean that they won't use that as a 'threat' to try squeeze the new, naive or gullible. My small sample size of people I know that called their bluffs, were able to get their asking prices substantially lowered to small amounts where it was acceptable just pay them and get it over with (not worth saving $20 on principle to find out).[/QUOTE]

No being there it is hard to say. But I am a bit of a coward. I would usually protest nicely and negotiate and try to read the situation. If I am getting railroaded and digging a deeper hole for myself with no backup, I would reverse tactics. If I feel that a couple see notes will stop the BS and get me out of any potential problem, I would pay. I can make more and the downside out weighs the upside. I doubt any government will press charges against me for paying the bride, but it is in the back of my mind.

Thanks for sharing. It is interesting because with so many witnesses, on their side, there was obviously some other dynamics there. A habit from my NY days; I always have some see notes on me.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2216984]They wanted 10 million to start with. It took a lot of negotiating to get it down.

Like I said, happy to walk away for 3 million.

These guys weren't playing games.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2217580]If you went on a Sunday night, that will be true. It was also true on a Sunday night at Blok M years ago.

I agree that it's pretty dead, but you can still find fun at Ds or My Bar from Wednesday thru Saturday nights.[/QUOTE]For guys who have been here its its hay day maybe this still has its place. For any noobs that might come here thinking this is a viable option. There are some old hangers on when I say old I mean old about 50+ that act as fixers or psudo mama sans they say D's doesn't pop off until after 12 and my bar is fine maybe the equivalent of a santos street bar in AC but its just the one place they say MyBar pops off after 10 pm. Before that these places are totally dead so don't even bother going before 10 pm which I have done and absolutely nothing happening. The older ladies pimp off the younger ones for a small commission and they are asking 1 million compared to mangga besar where I was pulling free lancers and massage girls fro 500 including tip this is 1 million before tip. It's a supply and demand issue not a lot of demand so leads to limited supply which makes the prices double. I personally didn't pull anything here other than a few single mothers on wechat. Other spots half this price more selection and hotter girls imo. I just dropped about 1,000,000 on japanese food here over the past few days that's about the only thing worth doing in this area.

What are we talking about? A guy who is on the way to his hotel having just arrived at the airport, carrying his original passport, I would have definitely called his bluff till the end. There is no way he would've ended up in jail. As mentioned previously although in general the police is corrupt, even they have their limits.

The whole report to police station is ONLY valid when staying in private accommodation (friends' apartment, airBNB etc, you are not personally required to report yourself if staying in a hotel as the hotel is required by law to do so. Even if they do not, you are not legally liable for the hotels failure to follow the law, nor do you need to carry proof of this report with you. What you do need is proof that you are staying in a hotel.

In saying that, I can understand that someone who is tired, who doesn't speak the language and just wants to get to sleep that they might be inclined to just pay the few bucks, but 500 k to 3 jt is simply too much.

I have gotten pulled over many, many times over the years, I have not paid a single bribe over 100 k ever, even during the 4 am razia coming home from clubbing and barely able to drive straight with a LC who was sucking me off in the car 10 seconds before being pulled over.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2217780]For guys who have been here its its hay day maybe this still has its place. For any noobs that might come here thinking this is a viable option. There are some old hangers on when I say old I mean old about 50+ that act as fixers or psudo mama sans they say D's doesn't pop off until after 12 and my bar is fine maybe the equivalent of a santos street bar in AC but its just the one place they say MyBar pops off after 10 pm. Before that these places are totally dead so don't even bother going before 10 pm which I have done and absolutely nothing happening. The older ladies pimp off the younger ones for a small commission and they are asking 1 million compared to mangga besar where I was pulling free lancers and massage girls fro 500 including tip this is 1 million before tip. It's a supply and demand issue not a lot of demand so leads to limited supply which makes the prices double. I personally didn't pull anything here other than a few single mothers on wechat. Other spots half this price more selection and hotter girls imo. I just dropped about 1,000,000 on japanese food here over the past few days that's about the only thing worth doing in this area.[/QUOTE]Agree that I would never stay in the Blok M area these days. I would stop by there on occasion late at night after 2 am on Wed thru Sat night only.

Going on my umpteenth trip to The Phils soon but been planning a few weeks in Indonesia this time as well.

My passport is getting very full. It seems the Indo visa is a full page sticker rather than a little stamp. Is this right?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Tungsten2;2218182]Going on my umpteenth trip to The Phils soon but been planning a few weeks in Indonesia this time as well.

My passport is getting very full. It seems the Indo visa is a full page sticker rather than a little stamp. Is this right?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]If you're from the States, and your stay is under thirty days, a visa isn't required.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2216935]I don't pay much attention to drink prices at Travel but 50 k per drink doesn't sound too outrageous. How much were you thinking it should be?

Forget about drink prices. How was your 3 some? Better than the general consensus we read about?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't mind if it was beer.

Although you can have 2 shots with the two girl within the 1 hour 30 minutes, the girls mentioned it is done either one at a time or both together. They suggested the latter would be better but only one shot. I started with the older girl but came into the younger girl who was more enthusiastic and seemed to enjoy herself. Started with cowgirl while the other kiss my nipples. Finished off in doggie and missionary with the other girl hugging from behind. Both the girls warmed up with BJ but I prefer the one from the younger girl. The older girl was not so fleshy and had some birth scars on her tummy. Maybe I will return for the younger girl only but sometimes it quite difficult to resist the price for two girls. Tipped both the girls 100 k each.

[QUOTE=Tungsten2;2218182]Going on my umpteenth trip to The Phils soon but been planning a few weeks in Indonesia this time as well.

My passport is getting very full. It seems the Indo visa is a full page sticker rather than a little stamp. Is this right?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Visa on arrival in Bali last year was 3 cm x 3 cm (little more than an inch).

When you leave a triangle is stamped within the square.

[QUOTE=Tungsten2;2218182]Going on my umpteenth trip to The Phils soon but been planning a few weeks in Indonesia this time as well.

My passport is getting very full. It seems the Indo visa is a full page sticker rather than a little stamp. Is this right?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]If your nationality is allowed a free 30 day Visa on Arrival, it's just one stamp on arrival and another on departure. Note this visa cannot be extended.

A paid 60 day extendable visa is a full page label.

Thanks, Goferring.

How does Awal Muharram on Tuesday September 11th effect things. Are things dead the whole week or just for the day?

[QUOTE=HihiSter;2217970]What are we talking about? A guy who is on the way to his hotel having just arrived at the airport, carrying his original passport, I would have definitely called his bluff till the end. There is no way he would've ended up in jail. As mentioned previously although in general the police is corrupt, even they have their limits.

The whole report to police station is ONLY valid when staying in private accommodation (friends' apartment, airBNB etc, you are not personally required to report yourself if staying in a hotel as the hotel is required by law to do so. Even if they do not, you are not legally liable for the hotels failure to follow the law, nor do you need to carry proof of this report with you. What you do need is proof that you are staying in a hotel.

In saying that, I can understand that someone who is tired, who doesn't speak the language and just wants to get to sleep that they might be inclined to just pay the few bucks, but 500 k to 3 jt is simply too much.

I have gotten pulled over many, many times over the years, I have not paid a single bribe over 100 k ever, even during the 4 am razia coming home from clubbing and barely able to drive straight with a LC who was sucking me off in the car 10 seconds before being pulled over.[/QUOTE]I am planning a 4-5 day visit in mid November to break up my 30 day Thai vacation but from reading all this about the currupt cops I'm having second thoughts and may go back to AC instead.

Is this a real big problem or does it happen to everyone?

I live in Mexico so am used to corrupt Police but you can usually get out of it by refusing to pay as they don't like to take the time & trouble to take you in.

[QUOTE=AcesWild1917;2218910]I am planning a 4-5 day visit in mid November to break up my 30 day Thai vacation but from reading all this about the currupt cops I'm having second thoughts and may go back to AC instead.

Is this a real big problem or does it happen to everyone?

I live in Mexico so am used to corrupt Police but you can usually get out of it by refusing to pay as they don't like to take the time & trouble to take you in.[/QUOTE]To Ace.

Don't be naive you don't think there is corrupt cop in AC just paid attention and still out of trouble.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Tungsten2;2218389]Thanks, Goferring.[/QUOTE]To Tungsten 2.

I have a US passport and travel a lot you can get page added, I do this a lot at my US embassy it only take a few HR and is free not sure what passport you hold.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2215580]Indonesia (jakarta?) monger pros and cons as I see them.

Pros:

ST is extremely affordable ranges from $24-34 at the current exchange rate. You could possibly visit 5 shops a day and not really break the bank.
Also the more remote the massage places are ive also found that the women are hotter for whatever reason. not all of them offer the same stuff some of the shops have older women 35-50 some are 25-35 and some offer 20-30 the ones where the girls are 20-30 seem to be in more discreet locations. So paying MORE for hotter girls is not always the best move imo sometimes its just location and supply and demand. The hottest girl ive ever been with in indonesia was in this hole in the wall massage place and she was the normal 350,000 i would have paid five times that for that girl. Some of the shops have a line up and some of the shops you need to pick the girls from photoshopped photos. Ive also found that the ones without the line up is where i found hotter girls this may just be a coincidence or the time of day i went.

You have a wide variety of options for venues, personally I do not go the places where ST is 1 mil+ I personally just don't see the point as an american if I want to throw away money I can do it in luxury in las vegas and get more for it imo.

You get propositioned almost everywhere the key is networking these propositions they are after money so building a intel commission based relationship broadens your selection quite a bit. I offer an introduction bounty for any over 20 home body women that need extra cash. 9/10 times this works out best for me.
[/QUOTE]Agree with some of what you've said-- especially if the 1 jt+ is worth it. For example, at Malio, I've had really good experiences with girls who are as cute and fit in the 400 k range as the 700+ range, if not better.

Can you share some of the areas where you've had success for more remote massage places? Do you mean like around Kota Kasablanka etc?

And as for building a network-- you're saying you have girls you meet at the massage places refer you to friends of theirs?

For me, thus far outside of the ST places like Classic or Malio, I've only met up with civvies who do actually give more of a GFE vibe, but then I am Asian so maybe that changes things.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2219160]...
Can you share some of the areas where you've had success for more remote massage places? Do you mean like around Kota Kasablanka etc?

And as for building a network-- you're saying you have girls you meet at the massage places refer you to friends of theirs?
...[/QUOTE]When I say remote I mean just a few blocks down from the normal haunts. There is a patch of places near the grand asia hotel which I have always had a good time at the only thing is you kinda need to make it a point to get there as there is really no other reason to go to that area there is also a patch near kings cross but I've heard from more than 1 indonesian who lives in Jakarta that for some reason east Jakarta is more rough than the rest of the city I don't know if there is any validility to this statement. Honestly almost every single cultasack in Jakarta has massage places or bording houses in it, it is just a matter of physcialy going there and looking at their girls.

When I say build a network I mean the mama san network. I give them a 50 k note and tell them more is on the way if they pass me some solid intel. And also give my wechat or what's app out to the boarding houses and if they have any lookers to send me a picture it kind of cuts down on the time I spend in some areas if I always have an agent working for me in that area. I also ask them if the shops are open or closed or if they are busy or not. Sometimes these massage places are randomly closed for a few days and I have no idea why. I do also ask for non pros from the girls I find on wechat its kind of hit and miss most of the time the wechat girl is the good looking one. Sometimes the girls will fire back with "you don't like me?" which can be kind of a non starter.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2219047]To Ace.

Don't be naive you don't think there is corrupt cop in AC just paid attention and still out of trouble.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]I've been to AC and since I was not in a taxi much saw no problems with the cops and don't read much about the bribing of bad cops. Maybe it happens but it seems to me that a lot of the times there it is somewhat deserved.

I live in Mexico so am very aware of corrupt police but from reading this forum it sounds to me much worse or am I only getting part of the story.

In most cases in Mexico if you have done nothing wrong and call their bluff you pay nothing because they don't want to take the time to take you back to the station or even to write a ticket as that is time they could be targeting another sucker who will pay.

I was just curious if this happens all the time or just once in a while and is it almost certain to happen to a gringo tourist?

Earlier this month I was in Jakarta for 2 days. Stayed at Mercure Kota.

Paid the obligatory visit to Classic and managed to get a really good bang for the buck. At 350 K you cannot go wrong. The girl was very co-operative and did everything I wanted in a non-rushed manner. Very happy, tipped her 50 K.

Paid a visit to the spas at Kelapa Gading. King Cross and Sumo. Standard fare. Had a good time at both places. Personally I like Sumo more.

Visited BATS on both nights. On one night I picked a girl who stayed till next afternoon. Paid her 2. 5 juta. The opening quote in the bar was 3. 5 juta and I almost fell off my chair. But the girl would not budge below 2. 5 juta and I wanted her that night. The second night I drew a blank at BATS as I got there rather late after my Kelapa Gading visits. Also, I had an early flight the next day back to Singapore.

Should be back soon.

I think rules have changed. I have not hit that point there recently. Several years ago, additional pages were no longer free so I just go a new one for the sake of convenience.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2219048]To Tungsten 2.

I have a US passport and travel a lot you can get page added, I do this a lot at my US embassy it only take a few HR and is free not sure what passport you hold.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]

Mexico and most Latin and south american countries have corruption to an art. You will not have a problem in Jakarta since you will be experienced. I stil remember first time in Mexico and having an armed body guard. Nowadays, armoured cars are in such demand it is factory option. It is pretty funny how things progress.

Also, parts of Mexico are real sxxx hole places so bad sides of Jakarta will not shock you.

[QUOTE=AcesWild1917;2218910]I am planning a 4-5 day visit in mid November to break up my 30 day Thai vacation but from reading all this about the currupt cops I'm having second thoughts and may go back to AC instead.

Is this a real big problem or does it happen to everyone?

I live in Mexico so am used to corrupt Police but you can usually get out of it by refusing to pay as they don't like to take the time & trouble to take you in.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wimble;2219714]Mexico and most Latin and south american countries have corruption to an art. You will not have a problem in Jakarta since you will be experienced. I stil remember first time in Mexico and having an armed body guard. Nowadays, armoured cars are in such demand it is factory option. It is pretty funny how things progress.

Also, parts of Mexico are real sxxx hole places so bad sides of Jakarta will not shock you.[/QUOTE]Being experienced won't help a whole lot. If they pull you over, you are likely going to pay something.

I get shaken down about once a year in Jakarta, so it's not extremely frequent. That still leaves the majority of days not getting shaken down during the year.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2219643]
Visited BATS on both nights. On one night I picked a girl who stayed till next afternoon. Paid her 2. 5 juta. The opening quote in the bar was 3. 5 juta and I almost fell off my chair. But the girl would not budge below 2.5 juta and I wanted her that night.[/QUOTE]Holy Jesus. Those girls are not getting that much at BATS these days. Most of them will take 1 million. 1.5 should be the max.

I'd be curious which BATS girl this was. Do you have her name or photo?

Of course it's your money and sometimes when you have your heart set on some chick (and had a few beers), it may seem the prudent course, but giving these girls 2.5 is going to spoil the market. I'd hate for that to become the going rate. A few years ago, girls were asking for that much, but the price has dropped in recent years. An exception may possibly be if you are black or Indian, the girls may raise the price on you at BATS and you have to pay a premium simply because of that (if you fall into one of those two categories, you should likely be going to CJs, not BATS). But if you are a white westerner or asian, 2.5 is too much currently at BATS.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2219704]I think rules have changed. I have not hit that point there recently. Several years ago, additional pages were no longer free so I just go a new one for the sake of convenience.[/QUOTE]You are correct. I used to do it all the time, but it's not so easy to get extra pages anymore.

Went to Classic Terminal 2 on 11th and 15th August. Agreed to entry price IDR40,000 and told not charged if take a girl. Confirm prices still IDR365,000 for one girl, one hour and IDR500,000 for two girls, one hour (same as when I visited in October 2017). Arrived about 7. 30 pm both visits, lots of girls, crowded with guys on 11th (Saturday), not many on 15th (Wednesday). Got greedy first visit and took two girls, despite ISG advice not to do so. Paid fee to mamasan then girls took me to a nice room. They told me they were both from Bandung and aged 20 and 21. Stunning slim bodies, flawless brown skin, pretty faces, natural but not much Bush (almost white tigers). No kids, no stretch marks and no breasts (but great nipples). If you want breasts, probably have to go for older with a kid or three Anyway session was uninspiring. Showered with one, pleasant soaping etc, on to bed while the other showered. Used sterile wipes to disinfect my gear then on with a dom for unenthusiastic CBJ. Girls would not play with each other and wanted to get me to f**k, cum and finish ASAP. No kissing, DATY or pussy touching permitted. Managed a couple of positions with one girl only and held on for about 40 minutes before cumming doggy with the other rubbing my balls. Gave them IDR50,000 tip each, seemed happy enough. Second visit much better. Asked mamasan for older girl and she brought 4 girls for me to choose from. All looked great, picked one but would have been happy with any of them. Paid fee to mamasan in advance. This girl also from Bandung (are they all told to give this as their home city?) and said she was 23 (older I suppose than 20 and 21). I allowed her to order a bottle of water. Similar description to previous girls but much better English and very obliging. Went through disinfection routine again (good, safe practice, well trained) but she loved DATY and gave great CBJ. I couldn't hold back for long so f**ked her cowgirl, missionary then doggy to cum. Only about 25 minutes into the hour but already happy with my IDR365 k spend. We lay down for a rest, cuddled and she then stroked me and got me aroused again. I said I would like to try to cum again and she took on the challenge. We worked away but I eventually accepted it wasn't going to happen within time available (but felt great trying). She got the phone call to end the session, said we had a few more minutes, kept going until the full hour was up. What a great girl, a real gem. Gave her IDR100,000 tip, she seemed happy. No hassles or rip-off attempt when I left T2, no entry charged and just IDR26,000 for water second visit. Great value for money, don't bother with 2 girls and as always it's pot luck on the girl quality.

Stayed both nights at Hotel Classic, basic but very clean, good aircon, wifi and shower, excellent value, highly recommended. Left Jakarta the day before Independence Day (17th) and start of Asian Games (18th games commencing 18-8-18).

IMHO, it is more dangerous in Mexico. I am always amazed that people still drive across the border in their cars when reading the border town forums. Most are astute enough to park and walk across. I would much prefer a situation where some greenback would save me from disappearing off the face of the earth.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2219864]Being experienced won't help a whole lot. If they pull you over, you are likely going to pay something.

I get shaken down about once a year in Jakarta, so it's not extremely frequent. That still leaves the majority of days not getting shaken down during the year.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2219873]Holy Jesus. Those girls are not getting that much at BATS these days. Most of them will take 1 million. 1.5 should be the max.

I'd be curious which BATS girl this was. Do you have her name or photo?

Of course it's your money and sometimes when you have your heart set on some chick (and had a few beers), it may seem the prudent course, but giving these girls 2.5 is going to spoil the market. I'd hate for that to become the going rate. A few years ago, girls were asking for that much, but the price has dropped in recent years. An exception may possibly be if you are black or Indian, the girls may raise the price on you at BATS and you have to pay a premium simply because of that (if you fall into one of those two categories, you should likely be going to CJs, not BATS). But if you are a white westerner or asian, 2.5 is too much currently at BATS.[/QUOTE]I don't take pictures and I cannot remember her name. But I do remember a few white guys hitting on her and then walking away after a few minutes of chit chat. I gather they might have low balled her at the prices you say are standard. I don't give a rats ass about spoiling the market or preserving it. When I want a good time, I get it. That is all that counts for me.

Bring on the flame.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2220100]I don't take pictures and I cannot remember her name. But I do remember a few white guys hitting on her and then walking away after a few minutes of chit chat. I gather they might have low balled her at the prices you say are standard. I don't give a rats ass about spoiling the market or preserving it. When I want a good time, I get it. That is all that counts for me.

Bring on the flame.[/QUOTE]I like and agree with your post. Even if you paid 10 times the "market price" you would not make a difference in the market. You made your money, you spend it how you like.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2219877]You are correct. I used to do it all the time, but it's not so easy to get extra pages anymore.[/QUOTE]Not any more.

[URL]https://www.us-passport-service-guide.com/add-pages-to-passport.html[/URL]

Hi all,

3rd trip to Jakarta this year and have found WeChat a great source for hunting. Due to meetings and sometimes difficulty in getting away for periods of time I've found finding ladies on wechat (using the 'discover near by' function) to be most useful. Have actually managed to get two ladies as freebie (both married but husbands away for long periods of time) and they are home alone in the day so can get away. Average hit rate is 1 in 20 who reply and of those it's easy to filter out those that are available and those that are not. Usually rate if paying has been 500 k for a few hours in hotel.

Also have a regular girl that goes by 'Hijabi working girl' who is great fun. A short 20'something with a regular job that does this on the side for some extra cash.

Stay safe.

I did not search for Indonesia specifically but I did a quick search for Mexico, as that was where I cut my teeth in dealing with corrupt cops outside the US. Search driving the Americas "Dealing with corrupt police".

"We'll walk you through the typical bribery scenario: getting pulled over, description of the (likely) bogus infraction, threat of a multa (fine), request for a bribe, and how you can avoid paying the bribe."

Also under youtube "Mexican police asking for bribery".

IMHO, it helps to remain calm and negotiate an exit with payment if one is prepared and / or experienced.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2219864]Being experienced won't help a whole lot. If they pull you over, you are likely going to pay something.

I get shaken down about once a year in Jakarta, so it's not extremely frequent. That still leaves the majority of days not getting shaken down during the year.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wimble;2220018]IMHO, it is more dangerous in Mexico. I am always amazed that people still drive across the border in their cars when reading the border town forums. Most are astute enough to park and walk across. I would much prefer a situation where some greenback would save me from disappearing off the face of the earth.[/QUOTE]When I lived in So California I had business dealings in Tijuana and was there once or twice a week. Never felt threatened in the daytime but there was no way I would leave my car on the street by our fabrica at night.

I had the Sentri pass so could cross with minimum wait and was usually back in the USA by dark.

Smoothy thanks for the update.

Glad to hear that the cop problems in Jakarta are not constant. I will continue with my plans to visit later this year.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2219356]When I say remote I mean just a few blocks down from the normal haunts. There is a patch of places near the grand asia hotel which I have always had a good time at the only thing is you kinda need to make it a point to get there as there is really no other reason to go to that area there is also a patch near kings cross but I've heard from more than 1 indonesian who lives in Jakarta that for some reason east Jakarta is more rough than the rest of the city I don't know if there is any validility to this statement. Honestly almost every single cultasack in Jakarta has massage places or bording houses in it, it is just a matter of physcialy going there and looking at their girls.

When I say build a network I mean the mama san network. I give them a 50 k note and tell them more is on the way if they pass me some solid intel. And also give my wechat or what's app out to the boarding houses and if they have any lookers to send me a picture it kind of cuts down on the time I spend in some areas if I always have an agent working for me in that area. I also ask them if the shops are open or closed or if they are busy or not. Sometimes these massage places are randomly closed for a few days and I have no idea why. I do also ask for non pros from the girls I find on wechat its kind of hit and miss most of the time the wechat girl is the good looking one. Sometimes the girls will fire back with "you don't like me?" which can be kind of a non starter.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I'll have to venture farther north to that area next time and take a look around. This time was pretty short so I only stopped by Malio one night and Travel one night the rest being with civvies.

And I've never considered building a mms network. One of the mms at Travel insisted on giving me her contact for next time, so maybe I'll start there.

Stopped in Jakarta around when the Asian Games were. And it was much much harder to get taxis or grabs than I recall before. Especially around mall closing times, it would be 30+ min to get a grab, and 15+ min for a taxi from the queues, and the My Blue Bird app didn't work at all really from hotel or mall to request taxis. Also many Blue Birds were having issues with their app to get passcode to pay by credit card. Was usually able to get the driver to log out / log in and it would work, or for them to do it from their mobile app, but it was super annoying when last time it would just work.

This trip was much shorter so I only ventured out to Malio and tried out Hotel Travel for the first time (last time it was only Hotel Classic).

Malio, I did not check out the club floor, only the resto and bar area. Looked quickly for my favorite girl from last time, but she's moved on apparently. Not sure if it's true, but new mms said she retired (but I don't think she knew who I was talking about anyway, as all the girls looked new). Walked across the hall, but didn't see anyone worth 1 jt+ in the area with the dance stage, so went back and picked a girl who had a perky slim body and a great smile. She ended up being a great choice. Good enough English, very smiley and accommodating. Tipped a bit more than I should have probably, I think 200 K. (Just checked the box). Next time will do 100 K if that's more in line with the norm. Total damage around 600 k (I didn't order any drinks).

Thought I'd venture a little farther and check out Hotel Travel. Passed by Emporium on the way, I had a great session last time there, but it was definitely on the more expensive side (though with nicer facilities and a pool / sauna to relax in, and I think the girls are of higher standard). Upstairs appears to be private room karaoke only, I got a glimpse when I headed upstairs in the lift (didn't know where I was going haha), girls looked pretty good. But headed downstairs and was directed to enter the area where the pool tables are. Immediately was brought a tall, slim girl by one of the mms. I didn't see too many girls around at that moment, maybe they were all upstairs? Later I would learn that there's a whole other area like the disco area of Hotel Classic, which is deeper inside to the left of the pool tables. Was told the price of 350 K for one 60 min, 500 K for two girls 90 min, and that billiards was also 350 K but for 2 hours. Expensive for pool. Sat and chatted with my girl, she was very fun and affectionate despite not having great English. Liked to sing and dance, but acted shy. She resembles an Indonesian Leslie Bibb. In the room, she allowed DATY and seemed to enjoy it, but CBJ. Many positions for the deed but one thing that was distracting was she was self-conscious about her belly (even though she was super slim, with small As to match which I didn't mind, she appears to have had a baby so it was a little bit loose around the lower belly). She kept covering it with her arms or legs and that was way more distracting than the actual belly LOL. Overall it was a good experience.

The remaining time I had been trying Tinder, WeChat people nearby and this time Tantan. Had the most luck on Tantan, whereas last time I had luck with Tinder. WeChat was only massage and open bo girls who I didn't feel like taking a chance on. Prices quoted were 300 k for massage and 600 k inclusive of sex for outcall. Again, while prices not too bad, no idea if the pictures were accurate.

Ended up having a few dates from Tantan, and could have had more if I was in town longer. All seemed like normal girls, one was 22 from a small town and worked an office type job, and who met me at one of the malls. The first time we met she brought her friend, which I was ok with as I find it helps the "nice" girls feel more comfortable meeting a stranger, even though her friend took a little advantage by ordering a meal when we were meeting for coffee. But the girl I was meeting was so cute, with a very tight slim body and see cups, that I let it slide (it only cost me about 200 K more). We then walked around the mall and window shopped. I had to go for another date, but arranged to meet her again the next evening.

This time, she came out alone, and we had a nice dinner (400 K) and then drinks (300 K), before we headed back to my hotel. I wasn't even sure it would get that far because during dinner, she was preoccupied with her phone-- even took a call at one point (she said it was her mother). And later on during drinks we were very cuddly but she still acted super shy. Up until I got her clothes off. It was totally worth it, her body was amazing, and she had a super cute GND face, which I prefer over the more made-up hardened clubbing girl look. Performance was a little shy but she clearly had a good time, well, at least, I did. She wants to repeat next time I return, anyway.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2220100]I don't take pictures and I cannot remember her name. [/QUOTE]Damn shame for so much money that she wasn't even worthy of getting a number or remembering her name. I often find that a girl will ask more the first time and accept less from then on, so I always get their name and number if they are good.

I've never paid any girl that much in 20 years in Jakarta, so it's definitely not the going rate. I have only had two girls ever even ask me for that much at BATS or CJs. About 10 years ago, I had one ask me for 3 million once at CJs and I did get a good laugh out of that. She went with me for 1 million that night and many nights after that for even as low as 500k. She was a keeper for sure. Her body was as close to a 10 as I have ever had in my life. She ended up marrying a Korean guy. Her name was Putri. The other girl who asked for that much asked me for 2.5 million and she wasn't worth the time even trying to talk her down because she wasn't that hot. It just happened to be a sellers market that night, a real sausage fest. I went elsewhere that night.

I am wondering if perhaps they were asking more due to the Asian games?

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2219356]When I say remote I mean just a few blocks down from the normal haunts. There is a patch of places near the grand asia hotel which I have always had a good time at the only thing is you kinda need to make it a point to get there as there is really no other reason to go to that area there is also a patch near kings cross but I've heard from more than 1 indonesian who lives in Jakarta that for some reason east Jakarta is more rough than the rest of the city I don't know if there is any validility to this statement. Honestly almost every single cultasack in Jakarta has massage places or bording houses in it, it is just a matter of physcialy going there and looking at their girls.

When I say build a network I mean the mama san network. I give them a 50 k note and tell them more is on the way if they pass me some solid intel. And also give my wechat or what's app out to the boarding houses and if they have any lookers to send me a picture it kind of cuts down on the time I spend in some areas if I always have an agent working for me in that area. I also ask them if the shops are open or closed or if they are busy or not. Sometimes these massage places are randomly closed for a few days and I have no idea why. I do also ask for non pros from the girls I find on wechat its kind of hit and miss most of the time the wechat girl is the good looking one. Sometimes the girls will fire back with "you don't like me?" which can be kind of a non starter.[/QUOTE]Hi MM, thanks for your very interesting posts, with good info. I'm intrigued by your reference to cheap MPs. I assume you mean panti pijat? I've been mongering in Jakarta for a long time and never really considered such places because I've had the impression they're all full of fat middle-aged Ibus who just give a straight massage. And who'd want to fuck them even if they did offer. Do you mean you can meet some sweet young things who are up for some nice suck and fuck? I had to google Hotel Grand Asia, and it's way outside my usual haunts in central / south Jakarta. When you say "near the grand asia", can you give some more precise directions? Are there any other haunts closer to the central area that you can recommend? Thanks again. Mangga.

[QUOTE=Mangga;2220565]I assume you mean panti pijat? I've been mongering in Jakarta for a long time and never really considered such places because I've had the impression they're all full of fat middle-aged Ibus[/QUOTE]It's a roll of the dice to find out what's inside any of them. Yes, some are just old hags but many are full of kampung princesses.

Generally, the quality of the girls is the exact opposite of the quality of the massage.

Extras are available at the vast majority but some are only on a outcall basis for a 2 HR minimum. Typically zero English is spoken by any of the girls.

If you are out searching for "panti pijat"s keep an eye out for "Kebugaran"s as well. It translates roughly as "place for relaxation" and they live up to their name in all ways 😁.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2220497]I am wondering if perhaps they were asking more due to the Asian games?[/QUOTE]Probably but we are also talking about two totally different protagonists:

In the Red Corner we have someone who is in town for two days, likes this girl to the point of wanting her at nearly any cost and that night is a sellers' market in a bar full of guys hitting on the one girl he likes.

In the Blue Corner our guy is a regular that the girls see all the time, has a contact list full of alternatives that will fit the bill if she doesn't, is cost conscious as he is well aware of local rates and is thinking of repeat prices and is in no hurry as he will still be here next week.

Add in Indonesia's notorious tier pricing for everything for pussy to pancakes and its no surprise Blanq paid more than you would.

He may have been able to get her cheaper but that night he got what he wanted at a price he was prepared to pay with his money. 👍.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2220497]Damn shame for so much money that she wasn't even worthy of getting a number or remembering her name. I often find that a girl will ask more the first time and accept less from then on, so I always get their name and number if they are good.

I've never paid any girl that much in 20 years in Jakarta, so it's definitely not the going rate. I have only had two girls ever even ask me for that much at BATS or CJs. About 10 years ago, I had one ask me for 3 million once at CJs and I did get a good laugh out of that. She went with me for 1 million that night and many nights after that for even as low as 500k. She was a keeper for sure. Her body was as close to a 10 as I have ever had in my life. She ended up marrying a Korean guy. Her name was Putri. The other girl who asked for that much asked me for 2.5 million and she wasn't worth the time even trying to talk her down because she wasn't that hot. It just happened to be a sellers market that night, a real sausage fest. I went elsewhere that night.

I am wondering if perhaps they were asking more due to the Asian games?[/QUOTE]I was there before the Games started, so that event influencing prices can be ruled out.

A couple of clarifications:

You live in Indonesia and speak Bahasa fluently (by your own admission). I visit Jakarta perhaps 2 or 3 times a year.

You probably like to repeat girls who are hot in your opinion. I rarely repeat girls, no matter how hot they are. You are assuming that she was not worth remembering because of her looks. Find, fuck, forget is my motto.

And a couple of observations:

10 years ago if you paid 1 mn for a girl at CJ then I wonder if that was a good price. Unless you are saying there is zero inflation in P4 P over the last 10 years. I think not.

If a girl was not hot enough to even negotiate, why would you even ask for a quote? Sour grapes?

As I mentioned before, I liked that girl, she agreed to the price I offered, we both had a great night. Simple.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2220100]I don't take pictures and I cannot remember her name. But I do remember a few white guys hitting on her and then walking away after a few minutes of chit chat. I gather they might have low balled her at the prices you say are standard. I don't give a rats ass about spoiling the market or preserving it. When I want a good time, I get it. That is all that counts for me.

Bring on the flame.[/QUOTE]Right thing bro. There are some people on this forum who act more like pimps talking about preserving market rates etc.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2220682]And a couple of observations:

10 years ago if you paid 1 mn for a girl at CJ then I wonder if that was a good price. Unless you are saying there is zero inflation in P4 P over the last 10 years. I think not.

If a girl was not hot enough to even negotiate, why would you even ask for a quote? Sour grapes?[/QUOTE]Ten years ago, the normal price was 1 million. About 5 years ago, it was 1.5 million and some girls asked for 2 million (I am excluding the scrags, I don't count them). I heard rumors (from the girls) of them getting and asking for 2.5 or 3 million, but I had never experienced it. In the last couple of years the going rate has dropped seemingly due to the lack of guys in town with money relative to years past. Almost any BATS girl these days will gladly take 1.5 and most will take 1 million now. Then again, it depends on how they size you up when they talk to you and the supply and demand that particular night. Normally, if I walk into a place like BATS and it's a sausage fest, I leave and head elsewhere before I even finish my drink.

When I spoke with the CJs chick who said 2.5, I didn't like her vibe. She was about a 7 physically, but she had an attitude. Definitely not that hot in my book nor worth the time spent bargaining. I would have given her 1.3 that night based on her looks alone and the lack of girls in the bar, but no way 2.5. On a normal night where it's a buyers market, I wouldn't have given that same girl a second glance. I will say that her English was excellent and pickings were slim so she likely did find a buyer.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2220682]
You live in Indonesia and speak Bahasa fluently (by your own admission).[/QUOTE]It's definitely an advantage speaking Indonesian in places like Golden Crown where many of the girls can't speak a word of English, but I don't think speaking Bahasa is much advantage in places like BATS or CJs. Those girls are seasoned pros who can speak English. There are some girls who don't even want to speak with you if you speak bahasa to them there. They want you to be a naive target, not bule basi.

I shouldn't be talking too much about money spent, because I normally buy the girls multiple drinks and those are expensive. However, I don't want to be paying 2.5 million after buying them 4 or 5 drinks. These girls never even consider the number of drinks you bought them when they ask for money.

[QUOTE=RohanKhanna;2220716]Right thing bro. There are some people on this forum who act more like pimps talking about preserving market rates etc.[/QUOTE]A pimp would want the market rate to go up, not down.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2220593]It's a roll of the dice to find out what's inside any of them. Yes, some are just old hags but many are full of kampung princesses.

Generally, the quality of the girls is the exact opposite of the quality of the massage.

Extras are available at the vast majority but some are only on a outcall basis for a 2 HR minimum. Typically zero English is spoken by any of the girls.

If you are out searching for "panti pijat"s keep an eye out for "Kebugaran"s as well. It translates roughly as "place for relaxation" and they live up to their name in all ways 😁.[/QUOTE]Thanks for those notes Goferring. Zero English is a big plus for me because I speak fluent Indonesian and that eliminates any bule competition. Though I suspect that in this corner of the market there aren't too many bule buyers! And a 2 hour outcall is just what I'm looking for. I'm over rolling around on some dirty mattress in a hotbox. Do you have any favoured places in central Jakarta?

[QUOTE=Wimble;2219704]I think rules have changed. I have not hit that point there recently. Several years ago, additional pages were no longer free so I just go a new one for the sake of convenience.[/QUOTE]To Wimble.

I just renew my US passport instruct them to added more pages and they did it no fee, I added pages on my old passport 2 yr ago at the US consulate in Hong Kong they did it in 3 HR at no charge not sure where did you go to where they charge you most advanced country is now using the RFID chip to scan US passport.

Don't use stamp anymore.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2220812]A pimp would want the market rate to go up, not down.[/QUOTE]This point I second whole-heartedly. Simply business logic.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2220811]I shouldn't be talking too much about money spent, because I normally buy the girls multiple drinks and those are expensive. However, I don't want to be paying 2.5 million after buying them 4 or 5 drinks. These girls never even consider the number of drinks you bought them when they ask for money.[/QUOTE]Hmm. I don't bother with all that. I find my quarry, wait for the right moment, take aim and shoot. At a place like BATS 4-5 drinks alone could add up to another 750 K. And frankly, the girl should not be caring about the number of drinks you buy for her. All she should be concerned about is the number of red notes she gets from you.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2220807]Ten years ago, the normal price was 1 million. About 5 years ago, it was 1.5 million and some girls asked for 2 million (I am excluding the scrags, I don't count them). I heard rumors (from the girls) of them getting and asking for 2.5 or 3 million, but I had never experienced it. In the last couple of years the going rate has dropped seemingly due to the lack of guys in town with money relative to years past. Almost any BATS girl these days will gladly take 1.5 and most will take 1 million now. Then again, it depends on how they size you up when they talk to you and the supply and demand that particular night. Normally, if I walk into a place like BATS and it's a sausage fest, I leave and head elsewhere before I even finish my drink.[/QUOTE]I find this logic hard to accept, as it goes against basic principle of economics. But you live there and that counts for something. So I won't argue.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2220807]When I spoke with the CJs chick who said 2.5, I didn't like her vibe. She was about a 7 physically, but she had an attitude. Definitely not that hot in my book nor worth the time spent bargaining. I would have given her 1.3 that night based on her looks alone and the lack of girls in the bar, but no way 2.5. On a normal night where it's a buyers market, I wouldn't have given that same girl a second glance. I will say that her English was excellent and pickings were slim so she likely did find a buyer.[/QUOTE]Yada yada yada. Come on now. We are all adults here.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2220858]
Yada yada yada. Come on now. We are all adults here.[/QUOTE]After that comment, I'm starting to wonder.

My bet is that there isn't an adult guy on this forum who hasn't changed his mind on a girl based on an initial discussion with her. Especially when they try to overvalue themselves right off the bat.

[QUOTE=Mangga;2220846]Thanks for those notes Goferring. Zero English is a big plus for me because I speak fluent Indonesian and that eliminates any bule competition. Though I suspect that in this corner of the market there aren't too many bule buyers! And a 2 hour outcall is just what I'm looking for. I'm over rolling around on some dirty mattress in a hotbox. Do you have any favoured places in central Jakarta?[/QUOTE]You're right, they don't see too many bules so you may find some are fairly timid towards strangers. Making it obvious you can speak BI to them helps settle the nerves somewhat but some still may refuse to go with a foreigner.

I'm no longer a Jakarta resident so can't help with exact locations. If you have time on your side and aren't afraid of the less travelled areas just look for the areas with two or three storey ruko / rukans. Generally one of them is a ++ place where you can just walk inside and see the girls milling around the front office or reception area. If you don't see what you want either leave or ask of they have any one who fits your requirements.

FE, FYI from the HK website today September 6, 2018.

"Adding Pages: Effective January 1, 2016, Extra Visa Pages are no Longer Issued. As of January 1, 2016, the USA Department of State no longer adds visa pages into USA Passports. Previously, USA Passport holders had the option to pay for the insertion of additional 24-page visa inserts when valid passports lacked adequate space for entry or exit visa stamps. The decision to discontinue this service was made to enhance the security of the passport and to abide by international passport standards.

To mitigate the impact on frequent travelers, the Department began issuing 52-page passports to all applicants outside the United States starting October 1, 2014 for no additional cost. Applicants within the United States may choose a 28-page or 52-page book.

Requests for additional 24-page visa inserts will only be accepted until December 31, 2015. Beginning January 1, 2016, applicants in need of additional pages in their valid passports must obtain a new passport."

Before there was something like 60 or 80 charge for pages. And before that, pages were free. Used to have way more free pages than original pages.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2220857]To Wimble.

I just renew my US passport instruct them to added more pages and they did it no fee, I added pages on my old passport 2 yr ago at the US consulate in Hong Kong they did it in 3 HR at no charge not sure where did you go to where they charge you most advanced country is now using the RFID chip to scan US passport.

Don't use stamp anymore.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Wimble;2219704]I think rules have changed. I have not hit that point there recently. Several years ago, additional pages were no longer free so I just got a new one for the sake of convenience.[/QUOTE]

Some are eager to learn English. I have had luck with some who would come and we usually communicate via text. It can lead to some interesting mistakes. One brought her virgin cousin because of a misunderstanding.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2220877]You're right, they don't see too many bules so you may find some are fairly timid towards strangers. Making it obvious you can speak BI to them helps settle the nerves somewhat but some still may refuse to go with a foreigner.[/QUOTE]

Can someone help me with the choice of these places?

- Which one is the best choice in term of number / beauty of the girls?

- Is there any taking out options?

- What is the difference with Alexis as it is the only place I know well in Jakarta?

- And the main question is where we can find young girls if the price isn't an issue in Jakarta?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2220875]After that comment, I'm starting to wonder.

My bet is that there isn't an adult guy on this forum who hasn't changed his mind on a girl based on an initial discussion with her. Especially when they try to overvalue themselves right off the bat.[/QUOTE]That comment was not for changing your mind. Never mind.

My first couple of days in Jakarta have been quite eventful. The number of tinder likes have been crazy, which is very surprising for me as back home in Mumbai, my luck with tinder has been fairly limited. Last 4-5 months with tinder has helped me get laid only thrice in Mumbai, while within first 24 hours in Jakarta, it happened twice. First chick in 20's came down in the evening, the plan was to go to Starbucks. I jokingly suggested to her to have coffee in my room instead and she like agreed readily. Had a couple of fantastic hours with her, she was wild in the bed. Slept for a while, woke up at 9 pm, started tinder chatting with another one, she was less than a mile away from my hotel. At 11 pm she was at my hotel, picked her up from lobby and another couple of good hours in my room. Never in my life before I had sex 4 times in 6 hours with 2 different hot women and I didn't have to shell out a single dime. Its my first time in Jakarta and I had no clue it was this easy to have ONS in here.

Anyway, yday night went to BATS, liked one chick. She quoted 1 mn for the night, I was not in mood for all night bang so proposed her 700 k for 1 shot, which she happily agreed to. My hotel is 5 minutes from Shangri la, we drove to my hotel in her car. Had a good time overall. Not sure wot to do tonight but seems like Jakarta is one of the best mongering places.

OK, second attempt to post a reply. As of today September 7, 2018 and on the US consulate website in Hong Kong, as per your source. As on January 1, 2016 they stopped issuing additional passport pages. You can go there to get more information. Tired of cutting and pasting.

I remember before then, there was a charge of 60 or 80 bucks. And before that it was free. Google is your friend.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2220857]To Wimble.

I just renew my US passport instruct them to added more pages and they did it no fee, I added pages on my old passport 2 yr ago at the US consulate in Hong Kong they did it in 3 HR at no charge not sure where did you go to where they charge you most advanced country is now using the RFID chip to scan US passport.

Don't use stamp anymore.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Wimble;2219704]I think rules have changed. I have not hit that point there recently. Several years ago, additional pages were no longer free so I just go a new one for the sake of convenience.[/QUOTE]

Hi guys,

Anyone ever tried the Gives massage place? There is one opposite the Gandaria Mall. Always seems busy with lots of motor bikes outside.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2220953]Some are eager to learn English..

It can lead to some interesting mistakes. One brought her virgin cousin because of a misunderstanding.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Sure can.

Try telling a stunner that she is very photogenic and then translating that as her photo is nice but she's ugly in person. 😁.

Not surprisingly that was a very lonely night.

[QUOTE=RohanKhanna;2221086]
Anyway, yday night went to BATS, liked one chick. She quoted 1 mn for the night, I was not in mood for all night bang so proposed her 700 k for 1 shot, which she happily agreed to. [/QUOTE]That may have been the same girl the other guy gave 2 and half million rupiah.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2221124]OK, second attempt to post a reply. As of today September 7, 2018 and on the US consulate website in Hong Kong, as per your source. As on January 1, 2016 they stopped issuing additional passport pages. You can go there to get more information. Tired of cutting and pasting.

I remember before then, there was a charge of 60 or 80 bucks. And before that it was free. Google is your friend.[/QUOTE]You, trying to convince the guy, who thinks that he has a monopoly on wisdom and can't proof anything he claims? ROFLOLMAO!

Well, to be fair, I don't read beyond the first couple pages in these forums. So all the past posts and squabbles are lost to me!! Posting is also tedious because I am moderated so my posts are sometimes dated. LOL.

The passport page information is just dated. I thought important to those of us who travel to our playgrounds to have correct information. I actually thought a senior would have chimed in earlier. The new appointment system is also a PIA. Sometimes, the next appointment is 2-3 weeks away. Another thing to keep tract on the calendar!

[QUOTE=Menteng;2221678]You, trying to convince the guy, who thinks that he has a monopoly on wisdom and can't proof anything he claims? ROFLOLMAO![/QUOTE]

Did anyone else go to BATS last night? That chick in the red dress standing near the stage all night with her tits half hanging out and the big ass may actually have been worth 2.5. I kept hoping for those tits to slip out of that dress, but they never did. When I first arrived, the talent was weak, but later in the night it was pretty good. I had a girl in tow so it didn't matter either way. I didn't think the band was very good though. That's the first time I have been there since they switched bands. The last one was excellent, this one is meh.

There was an interesting argument between an Indonesian girl and the BATS management outside the front door as we were leaving. I'm not sure what was going on, but she was really going after that manager. Pretty good looking chick who spoke great English. She would have been a top 5 looker in the bar had they let her in. The manager kept telling her "we don't need your money".

Another thing I found entertaining was a couple of guys out front of BATS waiting on a taxi. The one guy was in his 20's and the other in his 30's. Neither had a girl as they were leaving and the guy in his 30's was berating the other guy for not liking any of the girls, telling him he couldn't even get laid in a *****house. I was like that young guy when I first arrived in Jakarta.

I've been a regular at Classic for a few months now, and I've developed a short list of my favorites. The ground level is where I frequent the most because the atmosphere is more relaxed, whereas the 2nd level is a bit chaotic and high-pressure from mama sans, but there is a much bigger selection of ladies. For some reason, on the 2nd floor, only the ladies on the right side (when you enter) give BBBJ, whereas on the left I've always been told CBJs by mama sans, so I've only selected ladies on the right side. The top floor is wide and spacious and ladies are easily visible from the tables in one location, rather than scattered in the lower floors.

Anyone care to meetup at Classic one night and share favs? Please PM me.

Will be spending this winter in Asia and trying to decide the best place to spend the Christmas season. I made the mistake of spending a good part of Ramadan in Jakarta this year and though I found a few winners, it was generally dead. What is Jakarta like last half of December?

[QUOTE=TangoTomorrow;2222110]I've been a regular at Classic for a few months now, and I've developed a short list of my favorites. The ground level is where I frequent the most because the atmosphere is more relaxed, whereas the 2nd level is a bit chaotic and high-pressure from mama sans, but there is a much bigger selection of ladies. For some reason, on the 2nd floor, only the ladies on the right side (when you enter) give BBBJ, whereas on the left I've always been told CBJs by mama sans, so I've only selected ladies on the right side. The top floor is wide and spacious and ladies are easily visible from the tables in one location, rather than scattered in the lower floors.

Anyone care to meetup at Classic one night and share favs? Please PM me.[/QUOTE]I don't worry much about "high pressure from the mama sans". They will leave you alone soon enough after you refuse some of their girls. I actually don't mind them bringing girls over. It gives me a chance to look at them standing up. I can always call them back later if I refuse them at first.

However, what I do not like on the 2nd floor is how crowded it is in the evenings and nights. Bunch of locals smoking their lungs out in every cranny of the place. I may venture to the 2nd floor during the day, but I try to avoid it at night. I normally won't even consider going there, hotel travel, penjay, or any of those other cheap venues that are crowded with smokers at night. At night, I agree with you that the ground level at Classic is good because the atmosphere is far superior. Relatively few customers and far less smoke. The girls on the 2nd floor are much better looking, but it's pretty easy to find at least one doable girl on the ground level. If I go to Classic at night, I hit the ground level and if I don't see anything I like, I normally leave and go elsewhere rather than going up to the 2nd level. That's also the reason why I like Kings Cross. Kings Cross charges a decent cover so cheap ass locals who like to hang out and chain smoke aren't cramming the place to capacity with smoke. Malioboro is also a good environment, but it can be pricey. There are few places in North Jakarta that I will visit at night simply because I can't stand being around smokers. I think Indonesia is probably 2nd in the world as far as percentage of population who smoke (behind China).

The one exception to the smoker rule I will make is when visiting Blok M. My Bar is a horrible hell hole of a smoker pit with terrible ventilation. But when it's 4 am and nothing else is available as an option, I will go there on occasion.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2222652]
<snip>
There are few places in North Jakarta that I will visit at night simply because I can't stand being around smokers. I think Indonesia is probably 2nd in the world as far as percentage of population who smoke (behind China).
<snip> [/QUOTE]I am a non-smoker and have the same problem with secondary cigarette smoke. I am surprised that high end places are not smoke free.

I guess the concept of not smoking indoors does NOT exist in Jakarta?

BKKguru.

Off late been itching (metaphorically speaking of course!) to try something different rather than the usual haunts of. Malio, metropolis, kimochi etc. So decided to try my luck on cityxguide. If you type it on google you'll know what it is. So here are the reviews.

1. Calls herself Mariana, numbers ending 0488. Pictures on the website are false, she's got a big belly, fat ass a complete BBW. But I am not into those body-types. Boobs are fake and the doctor hasnt done a good job (ofcourse, Indonesian).

2. Calls herself Bila. Number ending 0869. A clear case of psychopath. Had one session with her. Was purely average, but then she decided to stalk me over WA. When I blocked one number, she WA me from a different number asking me to meet her again or she'll post pictures of us having sex online from where I stand, my life isn't a bed of roses, so another thorn won't really bleed me dry. Ha ha. Ignored her threat, and after a couple of days, she calmed herself down.

Hope this helps whoever wants to. A) enjoy some disproportionate un-natural tits or b) get stalked by a psychopath.

Ciao.

LB.

[QUOTE=TangoTomorrow;2222110]For some reason, on the 2nd floor, only the ladies on the right side (when you enter) give BBBJ, whereas on the left I've always been told CBJs by mama sans, so I've only selected ladies on the right side. [/QUOTE]Interesting conclusion. However, if true then chemistry must have something to do with it since I have received BBBJ from girls on the left side when I enter. I never ask the mamasan beforehand since the cost is minimal in Classic.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2222652]I don't worry much about "high pressure from the mama sans". They will leave you alone soon enough after you refuse some of their girls. I actually don't mind them bringing girls over. It gives me a chance to look at them standing up. I can always call them back later if I refuse them at first.[/QUOTE]Agree. I remember my very first visit to Classic and I was annoyed at the aggressive mamasans, especially the one who followed me to the washroom and was still waiting at the door for me after I took a p1 ss. Ever since then they do not bother me especially now that many of them know me. They can be useful if you use them to your advantage.

[QUOTE=Toptraveler1;2221045]
- What is the difference with Alexis as it is the only place I know well in Jakarta?[/QUOTE]They're open. The King's Cross komplek is pretty good. I'd go more often if Kelapa Gading were not so far but at night traffic isn't too bad.

So I went to Classic today, however the spa was level below ground, not Level 2 or Level 5 as I have read in reports here. There were about 15-20 chicks, all average (ones you will find at a local kimochi or zaigon spa).

Further, I paid a bomb (900,000 including a VIP room) and 300,000 as tip to the girl (2 rounds). Girl was nice, name was Yunita, pussy was a bit smelly but made up for enthusiasm and great FK.

So am I missing something here? Because this is definitely not cheap.

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2223654]So I went to Classic today, however the spa was level below ground, not Level 2 or Level 5 as I have read in reports here. There were about 15-20 chicks, all average (ones you will find at a local kimochi or zaigon spa).

Further, I paid a bomb (900,000 including a VIP room) and 300,000 as tip to the girl (2 rounds). Girl was nice, name was Yunita, pussy was a bit smelly but made up for enthusiasm and great FK.

So am I missing something here? Because this is definitely not cheap.[/QUOTE]People seldom mention that one. But yes, there is a massage place below ground level. It's more expensive than the other levels, but you can get an actual massage there and there are gems there on occasion. For some reason, the girls there are also consistently a better shag than on the other levels.

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2223120]
Hope this helps whoever wants to. A) enjoy some disproportionate un-natural tits or b) get stalked by a psychopath.

Ciao.

LB.[/QUOTE]Lo, an interesting reportl! Do you need Bahasa to contact them?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2223798]People seldom mention that one. But yes, there is a massage place below ground level. It's more expensive than the other levels, but you can get an actual massage there and there are gems there on occasion. For some reason, the girls there are also consistently a better shag than on the other levels.[/QUOTE]I have seen a couple of very nice girls in Classic Spa. Yes the prices are 800 or 900 k but I believe that it supposed to be for 90 minutes if I'm not mistaken. Not many girls but overall the quality is a better than upstairs.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2223125]Interesting conclusion. However, if true then chemistry must have something to do with it since I have received BBBJ from girls on the left side when I enter. I never ask the mamasan beforehand since the cost is minimal in Classic.

Agree. I remember my very first visit to Classic and I was annoyed at the aggressive mamasans, especially the one who followed me to the washroom and was still waiting at the door for me after I took a p1 ss. Ever since then they do not bother me especially now that many of them know me. They can be useful if you use them to your advantage.

They're open. The King's Cross komplek is pretty good. I'd go more often if Kelapa Gading were not so far but at night traffic isn't too bad.[/QUOTE]Never had any trouble with girls at Classic. Left or right, they all perform to expectation. Important to clarify beforehand. The mamsans can be annoying, but that is their job. Ignore them or tell them assertively that you will let them know when you need their help and you need some space for the time being.

I love the Kelapa Gading spa setups. But it is quite a distance. I have often considered staying in that area, but then you are cut off from other places.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2223974]I have seen a couple of very nice girls in Classic Spa. Yes the prices are 800 or 900 k but I believe that it supposed to be for 90 minutes if I'm not mistaken. Not many girls but overall the quality is a better than upstairs.[/QUOTE]I can't say from my experience that the girls in the Classic spa are better that the ones on L5. Finally it is all upto the monger. What is the right price, which girl is hot, what constitutes good service, etc. No objective way to compare.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2223936]Lo, an interesting reportl! Do you need Bahasa to contact them?[/QUOTE]Thanks Soul. No, they are fairly equipped on English ('fairly' as per Indo standards).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2223125]Interesting conclusion. However, if true then chemistry must have something to do with it since I have received BBBJ from girls on the left side when I enter. I never ask the mamasan beforehand since the cost is minimal in Classic.[/QUOTE]When the chemistry is right you can get bareback full service at Classic too, and Kings Cross, and even Alexa.

Excited about my maiden trip to Jakarta in October. I have been a regular to Pattaya. But this time I thought I will explore a new territory. I have booked myself in Orchardz Hotel Industri. Having read that they have room service. This forum has been extremely useful. I will appreciate any more tips from the regulars.

Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;2224248]I have booked myself in Orchardz Hotel Industri. Having read that they have room service.[/QUOTE]In my opinion, you would be a fool to have those girls come to your room. It's the same price to walk 2 minutes to the hotel spa, and the spa has all the facilities including sauna, jacuzzi, steam room, etc. And the rooms at the spa have mirrors on all walls and the ceiling. Also, if the girl is not to your liking, it's much easier to refuse and replace her inside the spa than if she comes to your room.

You can have massage girls come to your room in many many hotels in Jakarta (hell, almost all of them). If you are going to stay at a hotel like Orchardz that actually has a popular spa connected to it, it seems a waste to have them come to your room.

Like others here, I'm a connoisseur. Some focus on erotic photographic escapades, like Asian Rain and Dorman; others relate an amazing breath of experiences and encounters, like Offshore Swell and Smoothy and Montana). As for me, these days, I find myself exploring the world of spas and so I've become a connoisseur. Of pricey handjobs.

Cut me some slack. I have a history of posting rambling reports that show I really just like getting out of the house more than I do a serious, mission-oriented approach to our hobby. Anyway, since my transition from "mas" to "om", I am done with a regular diet of fast food. Sure, I will have a Big Mac from time to time, but more often than not I regret going to MacDonald's in the first place. What I really look forward to is a fine meal. The same holds true for my massage experiences.

These days, I spoil myself with a man's day out. A shoeshine at the little stand under the Fairmont Hotel, then a haircut and a head massage from a barber (not a stylist) at Paxi (now Premier), followed by a full massage at Mitra Sehat (which has many happy ending and plus plus opportunities, which is a story for another day).

However, I end my man-about-town days at Grand Imperial on Jl. Wijaya I. I've spent four, five, even seven hours there (which is almost as much time you'll spend reading this report).

The Venue: Grand Imperial is an Asian style spa, open early, around 11 am or 1 pm, and catering predominately to Japanese and Koreans, with a smattering of Javanese and Western dudes. It is a genteel, polite and low key. Next door is a Korean restaurant. Across the street, there's an upscale bakery. It's the proverbial clean, well-lighted place.

Enter: Approach the reception podium and the ladies will give you a menu, but don't fuss about it until later, after you're inside. These gals handle payments and will give you a number to wear on your wrist.

Layout: The locker room is immediately to the right. It is smaller than the one at Classic Spa but larger than the one at Kimochi. It's clean, clean, clean and your number is a keycard that opens your locker. How technologically savvy! Times are changing! There are two small rooms off of the lockers to be used as private changing areas, although one is now a musholla. Times are changing! Put on the pair of shorts you're given. If you wish, give the locker attendant lad your shoes to be polished (and tip him Rp 20,000 or whatever when you leave).

Immediately outside the locker is the booking counter, although I usually walk straight to the showers first, then to the large, heated pool for a soak, then to the sauna, then to the steam room. I grab cold towels from the freezer. The pool is at the center of the large room. It's ringed by a bunch of tables and then the sauna, steam room, showers and scrub rooms. I spend about an hour soaking and sweating, etc. When I am ready, I approach the booking counter. There you can look at the menu of services. The full package runs between Rp 475,000 and Rp 575,000, depending on the size of the room you choose. For that you get free use of the spa and sauna, an hour-long scrub and a 90-minute massage that culminates in a "happy ending", automatically and without asking.

Yes, it's expensive for what you get.

Yes, you can go the full magilla for less.

Yes, some people don't like striding around in towels.

Yes, this is aimed at Koreans and Japanese, who appreciate the quality of the experience.

I do, too, and don't feel it's overpriced.

I typically get the paket with the scrub and maasage (see pic).

Choosing girls: You don't get to see the girls before choosing, although the attendants, in their tight batik dresses, will do their best to find a therapist that meets your desires. Apparently, there are therapists, who give the full 90-minute massage, and boom-boom girls, who just give a few tweaks and then a 20-minute wham-bam. I've always asked for a good massage, and have always gotten a winner. On all fronts. Don't be shy. The booking girls know why you're there and are eager to help.

You'll have to wait for the therapist a few minutes. I like to wait upstairs, in the dark second level (see pics). There's a bunch of leather sofas by the stairway leading to the third floor, where the girls hang out, so I can scope the ladies in their super-short skirt uniforms and high heels tottering up and down stairs. Your girl comes to greet you and takes you to one of the curtained tatami massage rooms. The ladies I have met are between 21 and 28, all sexy or beautiful, in their own way. There are ones with bathtubs, but I usually take the smaller rooms that are farther from the street. Inside the room, she'll take your clothes off an start the massage.

No one really speaks English there, so Indonesian helps. The massage is serious, including shiatsu and oil, and they're not shy about getting you excited. I remember one girl who would massage my legs, facing my feet, hiking her skirt up over her white panties. Another very bosomy girl kept popping out of her too-tight uniform shirt. By the end of the massage, she'll start with the included happy ending. Typically, this involves hoisting your legs over hers as she squats between your legs. It gives her good access to you, above and below, but pins you down.

You can shift position, though. I've discovered that a tip will get her shirt off. Or whole kit off. Or even more. The massage girls don't **have** to do anything more than a HJ, but a little cash and a pleasant attitude can get you the world. The girls have generally been amenable to whatever I suggested and aren't too stressed by playful lust-driven pawing. ("You're a man, you're getting massaged. It's normal," said one girl). I typically extend for a third session (for Rp 150,000) so as not to rush this.

OK, so you've got your happy ending after maybe two-and-a-half or three hours. But wait, there's more! Now get your scrub! Or first order some food and eat your friend rice gangster yakuza style, in your robe and slippers, sitting on the leather sofas on level two.

The scrub rooms are down on the first floor. They're small and have a bunch of steel hoses and a therapy table. Lighting is dim. Your scrub therapist meets you at the door, tells you to take off your clothes and sit face up on the table. Face up! The women who work there are generally older, though. This is where massage therapists have their old timers day, I guess. And by that I mean over 30. They will give you a scrub for an hour that leaves you exfoliated. You'll get washed down five times, with oil, lotion, soap and milk. There's an optional cooling cucumber mask. Some tell you quite clearly scrub only. Some will offer happy endings, boobs to be squeezed and even more. I know some folks do the scrub first and then the massage, but I have learned to go massage then scrub, as it takes off all the massage oil and I leave feeling fresh.

Tipping: You can bring cash or tell the girls how much you will leave as a tip when you check out. Scrub women get Rp 50,000 from me, the massage therapists get much more. I have no idea what's standard as I am a poor negotiator, so have paid anywhere from Rp 300,000 for kit off to much more for the whole enchilada, maybe Rp 700,000.

Fun Fact: Apparently there's a senior police officer who frequents GI and serves as its guardian angel. They get free beer and food and massages, but tip well, according to one of the girls.

There you go. People say there's nothing to do in Jakarta in the daytime.

Au contraire, I say. Au contraire.

[QUOTE=TangoTomorrow;2222110]I've been a regular at Classic... The ground level is where I frequent the most[/QUOTE]What are the prices on the ground level of Classic? Are they similar to L2 and L5 prices (about 400 k IDR)?

[QUOTE=OmBule;2224517]Grand Imperial[/QUOTE]I haven't tried grand imperial yet, but I've tried every other place in Grand Wijaya center. Similar experiences. I think the best is D'Heaven. I'll give Grand Imperial a try, maybe even today.

I recommended D'Heaven to a friend once and he ended up going there at 4 or 5pm (rush hour since everyone is just getting off work). Every girl was busy and not available for an hour, so he got pissed off and went to Hotel Classic way across town during rush hour traffic. Lucky for him, the traffic wasn't too bad that day because that trip could have taken 2 hours. There is no way I would go to any massage place in the city where you can actually get a massage at 5pm. But I have worked in Jakarta, so I know that many guys go for a massage after work. Those who haven't worked in Asia may not know that.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2224649]What are the prices on the ground level of Classic? Are they similar to L2 and L5 prices (about 400 k IDR)?[/QUOTE]The ground level is slightly cheaper. I think it's probably the cheapest place in Jakarta that isn't a shanty.

[QUOTE=OmBule;2224517]There you go. People say there's nothing to do in Jakarta in the daytime.

Au contraire, I say. Au contraire.[/QUOTE]Best report of this month. A refreshing change from the complaints about prices, attitudes, service quality and blue pills.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2224695]The ground level is slightly cheaper. I think it's probably the cheapest place in Jakarta that isn't a shanty.[/QUOTE]I've never been in to the ground floor. Where is the entrance? I usually just go up the escalators. You say it's very cheap and I believe you, but two others in this thread say it's 900,000 which isn't cheap at all. What gives? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2224305]In my opinion, you would be a fool to have those girls come to your room. It's the same price to walk 2 minutes to the hotel spa, and the spa has all the facilities including sauna, jacuzzi, steam room, etc. And the rooms at the spa have mirrors on all walls and the ceiling. Also, if the girl is not to your liking, it's much easier to refuse and replace her inside the spa than if she comes to your room.

You can have massage girls come to your room in many many hotels in Jakarta (hell, almost all of them). If you are going to stay at a hotel like Orchardz that actually has a popular spa connected to it, it seems a waste to have them come to your room.[/QUOTE]Copy that. Thanks for the tip.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2224767]I've never been in to the ground floor. Where is the entrance? I usually just go up the escalators. You say it's very cheap and I believe you, but two others in this thread say it's 900,000 which isn't cheap at all. What gives? Thanks.[/QUOTE]The basement level is 900,000, not the ground floor. I'm not sure how you could miss the entrance to the ground floor club if you take the escalators. It is just to the right of the up escalator. It opens later than the other floors and has a cover charge. If you are a westerner, they will not make you pay the cover charge when you leave even if you didn't buy anything. But locals and indians do get charged the cover regardless I believe. I think the cover is 50,000.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2224809]The basement level is 900,000, not the ground floor. I'm not sure how you could miss the entrance to the ground floor club if you take the escalators. It is just to the right of the up escalator. It opens later than the other floors and has a cover charge. If you are a westerner, they will not make you pay the cover charge when you leave even if you didn't buy anything. But locals and indians do get charged the cover regardless I believe. I think the cover is 50,000.[/QUOTE]Wow, so there are four floors. I had no idea. I only knew 2 and 5. I didn't see anything on the ground floor but I wasn't exactly looking either. Excuse my ignorance. Some of these places are huge with multiple floors. There are no signs and no one has ever guided me around. I was at King Cross twice before I realized there were more girls upstairs! Would be happy to buy a drink next time in Jakarta. Thanks.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2224813]Wow, so there are four floors. I had no idea. I only knew 2 and 5. I didn't see anything on the ground floor but I wasn't exactly looking either. Excuse my ignorance. Some of these places are huge with multiple floors. There are no signs and no one has ever guided me around. I was at King Cross twice before I realized there were more girls upstairs! Would be happy to buy a drink next time in Jakarta. Thanks.[/QUOTE]At King Cross the space you refer to as upstairs is the massage and theater space. Usually there are no more than 4 to 6 massage girls. In my experience, they are not as doable as their kin on the ground floor, laden over those three step amphitheater style seating, or dancing around those poles on the raised stages.

The thing that bothers me most at KC is the laid back attitude of the waiters / mami / papi. You can sit there for an hour and no one will bother you for even a drink. In a way that is not such a bad thing.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2224896]At King Cross the space you refer to as upstairs is the massage and theater space. Usually there are no more than 4 to 6 massage girls. In my experience, they are not as doable as their kin on the ground floor, laden over those three step amphitheater style seating, or dancing around those poles on the raised stages.

The thing that bothers me most at KC is the laid back attitude of the waiters / mami / papi. You can sit there for an hour and no one will bother you for even a drink. In a way that is not such a bad thing.[/QUOTE]KC seems to have gone downhill now. Last visit the 2nd floor had almost 10 to 15 massage girls. Had picked one who gave me a good massage for an hour and a decent pop. This visit the massage section was empty. When I was sitting down in the ground floor area one of the mamasan got around 4 or 5 girls when asked. I did have a good session with one including a very good massage.

The ground floor area had girls on both ends, approx 30 to 40 each side. This trip they had approx 20 odd girls on both visit and one section has also been closed. I had two sessions on earlier visit but this trip I was struggling to find one girl to my liking. The Mama and Papasan were the most lethargic I have seen in any club in Jakarta except Kota Indah bars. Don't see bright future for this place keeping in mind the competition around.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;2227443]KC seems to have gone downhill now. Last visit the 2nd floor had almost 10 to 15 massage girls. Had picked one who gave me a good massage for an hour and a decent pop. This visit the massage section was empty. When I was sitting down in the ground floor area one of the mamasan got around 4 or 5 girls when asked. I did have a good session with one including a very good massage.

The ground floor area had girls on both ends, approx 30 to 40 each side. This trip they had approx 20 odd girls on both visit and one section has also been closed. I had two sessions on earlier visit but this trip I was struggling to find one girl to my liking. The Mama and Papasan were the most lethargic I have seen in any club in Jakarta except Kota Indah bars. Don't see bright future for this place keeping in mind the competition around.[/QUOTE]I was there sometime in August and I have to absolutely agree. I was lucky in that they did have a few odd girls around on the first floor for 350 K and I did find one with a huge set to my liking with almost great service. I felt they were trying to save on electricity as the room was rather on the warm side. First time I had a papasan ask me for a tip on the fantastic choice I made. I'm thinking the ongoing road construction in the area is having an affect on business.

[QUOTE=ABCinLA;2227631] I did find one with a huge set to my liking with almost great service. [/QUOTE]Other than it charging a cover that keeps out the local low life's, that's the advantage of Kings Cross. It's easy to find busty girls there, and I have never even once had anything other than great service at KC. Compare that to a place like Hotel Classic where you find great service maybe 1 time in 100.

I enjoy Delta Spa and My Place but the prices seem much too high for just L-1 finish. I do enjoy the sauna and the real massage. What are better options for legit massage with extras?

Thank you for any info. I'll be staying at Four Points Hotel.

[QUOTE=TxDaver;2228453]I do enjoy the sauna and the real massage. What are better options for legit massage with extras?.[/QUOTE]Similarly looking for somewhere between the Bangkok Oily / Soapy massage and Hotel Classic / Travel zero massage places. Any suggestions?

Just dropping to say Hi to all especially Bulai69 & others seniors of the thread.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2202283]
Posting photo's of those girls can ruin their lives if the poster is not careful. Remember, most of the girls at Starmoon aren't there because they like sex that much they just want to have it all day. They are there because some recruiter offered to generously lend her money to buy Mum and dad a place to live / mums dialysis / younger sister's school fees / hospital fees etc etc.[/QUOTE]I think it's ok as long as you don't post photos of their faces and post photos you actually took yourself. Especially avoid posting photos that they will have used in their social media accounts with their friends and family. Claiming the photo came from a deskgram account from some other guy (who obviously took it from her social media or whatsapp profile) is no excuse. You should only be posting photos you took yourself or photos from the official pages of the places. Referring to them by their real name is also a no go, but they never give their real names when they work anyway, so if they claim to be named Nanda, that's fine. The best thing is to simply say she is number 88. However, posting an actual photo that you didn't take yourself that they have obviously used in their social media is crossing the line.

[QUOTE=KLGuy;2229111]Just dropping to say Hi to all especially Bulai69 & others seniors of the thread.[/QUOTE]Welcome back, bro! Nice to see you again. It must have been years, because the legendary Bulai69 has stopped posting for many years.

Thanks for the info although I know he still goes to Jakarta. Take care. I only monger in KL now as I can't travel due to my health.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2229678]Welcome back, bro! Nice to see you again. It must have been years, because the legendary Bulai69 has stopped posting for many years.[/QUOTE].

Or maybe a bit longer. From UK, 60-ish. Happy to buy a beer or two for any of the regular posters on this forum. Feel free to PM.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2176091]A few information tidbits that I find troubling. Christina was new to the game and barely over a month under their employment. Already, she was indebted to the company as soon as she started work. Like all profit maximizing corporation with no moral compass, they would squeeze every last pennies or rupiah in this case on these girls. They would charge an exorbitant amount on the dresses they are required to wear. They require that these girls live in their dorm which is conveniently located behind 1001 building, and of course charge them for everything. They would charge them for the hair stylist and makeup work that they have to have daily before work. They would charge them for the mandatory regular doctor inspections. The girls cannot leave the dorm while working there except during their off days. Their workday is a 12-hour shift and they have a daily target of hitting four vouchers. A voucher is an hour session and cost 1. 1 million each. I would ask how often does she meet her target, and she mentioned hardly ever. In fact, that day I was her first client and it was already nighttime. The spa girls would earn only a third of the voucher value which is something like 370 K and will only be disbursed to the after the month is over. No wonder these girls have to depend heavily on tips provided by their clients.[/QUOTE]Do you know if she gets the entire tip if you markthe tip on the sheet they give you and pay it at the end (to the cashier)? Or is it better to give her the tip in cash?

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2231654]Do you know if she gets the entire tip if you markthe tip on the sheet they give you and pay it at the end (to the cashier)? Or is it better to give her the tip in cash?[/QUOTE]If you want her to get the tip, just give it to her directly. If you do not bring along any cash into the room, you can tell her to follow you to the locker room after the service and she will be more than happy to oblige.

I would not trust the company to give the money to her. Even if they do, they would only disburse it at the end of the month or whenever their pay period is. In fact, I have known that some establishments even keep those service fees for themselves that are in your bill. Those fees are meant as tips for these workers.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2231654]Do you know if she gets the entire tip if you markthe tip on the sheet they give you and pay it at the end (to the cashier)? Or is it better to give her the tip in cash?[/QUOTE]You always, always give it to her in cash!

At the heart of Indonesian business culture is the concept of getting something for nothing. Or what we would call "clipping the ticket". Ask any Indonesian housemaid in Singapore or Hong Kong or Indonesian seaman how much of their salary the agent takes and you will likely fall over at the reply. Firstly at the percentage they take but secondly that they would actually sign up to a contract like that. It is pretty much a certainty the house would be salivating at the thought of this "free" money that had been entrusted to them to give to your girl and have a range of "fees" ready to apply to it for their non existent services in getting it to her.

In countries like America or Australia when somebody wants to work hard and make something for themselves, everybody supports them. In Indonesia they just try to get as much of your enterprise for themselves whether it's selling your pussy driving a truck or cleaning somebody's house.

Any impact to Jakarta from the earthquake and tsunami?

[QUOTE=TxDaver;2232039]Any impact to Jakarta from the earthquake and tsunami?[/QUOTE]No impact.

What time does Classic open? Last 2 times I went, I was told to come back in 2 hours when I arrived around Noon. This was on a Sunday and Monday.

Also, has anyone been to Sagita Spa? After doing some shopping at Plaza Indonesia, I may give it a try. I'd welcome any feedback. I'll post a report and share my experience.

[QUOTE=TxDaver;2232039]Any impact to Jakarta from the earthquake and tsunami?[/QUOTE]If anything, there will be more girls coming from Sulawesi in the coming days. Natural disasters like these create massive economic chaos for residents who lose almost everything. The government does little to help and people have to turn to unpalatable ways to survive.

Is there a good bar or restaurant to watch UFC 229? Maybe a place near Plaza Indonesia?

[QUOTE=TxDaver;2232039]Any impact to Jakarta from the earthquake and tsunami?[/QUOTE]Right after the big unprecedented 2004 tsunami a fresh batch of extasy hit the Jakarta drug market. The pill was blue-couloured and it was called "Tsunami".

Just returned from Sagita Spa at Sagitarius Hotel. The facility had a nice decor. One hot pool and one cold pool. The steam room was broken but the dry sauna was working. I was the only one in the facility.

The massage girl I was assigned was about a 6 but had a fun personality so to me she was a 7+. Massage was nice a strong and she took her time with the HJ finish. Damage was: 440 for standard room, 120 for 2 beers, and 200 tip to the girl.

I was told that the tip to the girls are set. 200 for HJ and 500 for FS. There is no negotiating. Overall, service was nice but the price was bit high. Location is great if you find yourself near Plaza Indonesia.

Some greats of the past appeared again in this thread. Will the legendary Bulai69 and Asian Rain be next? I really do hope so, for several reasons!

I get into Jakarta airport at 10 pm and staying near Classic hotel so is there any place to check out after midnight or is it all closed?

Also is illegals still open, met a nice young honey there last year named Astin.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2232997]Some greats of the past appeared again in this thread. Will the legendary Bulai69 and Asian Rain be next? I really do hope so, for several reasons![/QUOTE]Long time not been in Jakarta. Last time. 2012 or so.

Me more in P. Burgos (Makati) to be found nowadays.

After the first 3 Grab cars couldn't find me, I knew it'd be a long night. After I finally got picked up at a bar I was driving at, it took over an hour to get to be'Fashion. Went straight to the spa and I was not pleased with the selection of available girls. But since it was such a long journey, I decided to settle on a girl that was like a 6 looks wise. Her service was like a 3. She was lazy with the massage and her BJ was subpar. Total damage was 325 for no and 410 for room and beer. Add 100 for grab and it was money wasted. Took a Gojek to Beer Garden and it only took 10 minutes. Dean 5 pints of beer and feel better. Will go back to Classic tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2233007]I get into Jakarta airport at 10 pm and staying near Classic hotel so is there any place to check out after midnight or is it all closed?

Also is illegals still open, met a nice young honey there last year named Astin.[/QUOTE]Most places in Jakarta actually get going only around midnight. Don't worry.

Classic and Travel will be open. Almost all the clubs will be open. Blok M is open till very late.

Hey there,

What would you recommendations be for say mid morning / afternoon / early evening? I was looking at malls to mainly focus on maybe some exploring in the evening? But it seems many places don't start happening until late? But I am sure I will find something!

[QUOTE=JiffyPark;2233747]Hey there,

What would you recommendations be for say mid morning / afternoon / early evening? I was looking at malls to mainly focus on maybe some exploring in the evening? But it seems many places don't start happening until late? But I am sure I will find something![/QUOTE]There is nothing going on early in Jakarta. I recommend sleeping until 1 or 2 pm, grab some lunch, then head to a place like Hotel Classic around 4 pm. Then again, it does depend where you are staying as far as a place to go because Jakarta is quite spread out. Regardless, I find it easier to just forget about even trying to go anywhere until 4 pm.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2233877]There is nothing going on early in Jakarta. I recommend sleeping until 1 or 2 pm, grab some lunch, then head to a place like Hotel Classic around 4 pm. Then again, it does depend where you are staying as far as a place to go because Jakarta is quite spread out. Regardless, I find it easier to just forget about even trying to go anywhere until 4 pm.[/QUOTE]That's not what I wanted to hear LOL but I'll try succeed early evening, I will stay around Crowne Plaza most likely just reading through the Jakarta hotels so will choose one that's commonly mentioned throughout the Jakarta thread.

[QUOTE=JiffyPark;2233747]Hey there,

What would you recommendations be for say mid morning / afternoon / early evening? I was looking at malls to mainly focus on maybe some exploring in the evening? But it seems many places don't start happening until late? But I am sure I will find something![/QUOTE]Kartika full body soapy massage ++ opens about 11:00 AM. Not that far to where you are staying.

The place may not be everyone's idea of "happening" in Jakarta but it's an "experience" one should try at least once. .

[QUOTE=Kodja;2234157]Kartika full body soapy massage ++ opens about 11:00 AM. Not that far to where you are staying.

The place may not be everyone's idea of "happening" in Jakarta but it's an "experience" one should try at least once. .[/QUOTE]I think you might be mistaken. Kartika is up north, while to get to Crowne Plaza hotel you have to head south near cloverleaf Semanggi. During the day it can take ages to get there by taxi. The Transjakarta will be your chosen means of transportation. You may be confused by the hotel with the name Kartika Chandra that is indeed located rather near CP.

Unless, you can get a full body massage ++ in hotel Kartika Chandra as well. In that case, I apologize.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2234284]I think you might be mistaken. Kartika is up north, while to get to Crowne Plaza hotel you have to head south near cloverleaf Semanggi. During the day it can take ages to get there by taxi. The Transjakarta will be your chosen means of transportation. You may be confused by the hotel with the name Kartika Chandra that is indeed located rather near CP.

Unless, you can get a full body massage ++ in hotel Kartika Chandra as well. In that case, I apologize.[/QUOTE]You are correct. I am way off. I was typing before thinking clearly. The Crown I was referring to was the Crown night club!

My bad. Apologies for the error chaps.

[QUOTE=JiffyPark;2234006]That's not what I wanted to hear LOL but I'll try succeed early evening, I will stay around Crowne Plaza most likely just reading through the Jakarta hotels so will choose one that's commonly mentioned throughout the Jakarta thread.[/QUOTE]One suggestion is that you may try to stay at Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni located at Jl. Hayam Wuruk. Right across the street is the Malioboro Spa. You don't even need to deal with the horrendous Jakarta traffic since you can just walk across the street or use the pedestrian cross-bridge to get there.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2234313]One suggestion is that you may try to stay at Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni located at Jl. Hayam Wuruk. Right across the street is the Malioboro Spa. You don't even need to deal with the horrendous Jakarta traffic since you can just walk across the street or use the pedestrian cross-bridge to get there.[/QUOTE]Thanks I might go ahead and book that actually! Is that hotel also around like any office or mall areas where I might be able to chat to girls and hopefully see if they want to come to my room.

[QUOTE=JiffyPark;2234006]I will stay around Crowne Plaza most likely just reading through the Jakarta hotels so will choose one that's commonly mentioned throughout the Jakarta thread.[/QUOTE]Personally, I wouldn't stay at that one. There are much better choices. That hotel is in an area that is not near any of the fun. It is right next to Semanggi Mall, but I think that mall sucks anyway. It depends what type of entertainment you are looking for in town. There are lots of suggestions in the Jakarta hotel thread.

[QUOTE=KLGuy;2229721]I only monger in KL now as I can't travel due to my health.[/QUOTE]I hope nothing serious. Me not more longer in Jakarta either, mostly Manila these days!

Happy days to all!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2234419]That hotel is in an area that is not near any of the fun. It is right next to Semanggi Mall, but I think that mall sucks anyway.[/QUOTE]Yes, it does. But there is a catholic university next to it, catch my drift. It can be OK for Tinder / internet dates.

But so can Harris or Atlet close to FX Sudirman / Senayan Plaza.

Budget wise, LE Meridien would be in the same ballpark as Crowne, but then again how entertaining is Tiga puluh nowadays?

Way back in (pre-) history the Crowne had a happening night club in its basement. Forgot the name, I think before it changed to "Retro".

[QUOTE=JiffyPark;2234329]Thanks I might go ahead and book that actually! Is that hotel also around like any office or mall areas where I might be able to chat to girls and hopefully see if they want to come to my room.[/QUOTE]I stayed in the Grande Mecure Jakarta Harmoni last trip and I enjoyed the location. There is a decent mall across the street (walkable via pedestrian overpass) called Gadjah Mada Plaza. I enjoyed exploring and eating there.

It is also walking distance, as noted below, to Hotel Malio. The girls thought it was hilarious that I walked there! I also liked how it was a very short ride to Hotel Classic. It is farther from BATS / CJs, but late at night, after 10 or 11, it didn't add too much to my taxi time.

I am considering staying there again next trip. I used to stay a bit more central or farther south. This was as north as I'd ever stayed. I think it worked well. But it is a Big Durian after all and I am never quite sure how to maximize my location for best results.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;2234773]Yes, it does. But there is a catholic university next to it, catch my drift.[/QUOTE]Don't get his hopes up too high. I used to live at the Aryaduta right next to there. I could walk to Mall Semanggi or Atma Jaya University in a couple of minutes. Although I have been with many of the Atma Jaya University girls over the years, I have never picked up even one of them on that campus or at Semanggi mall.

[QUOTE=Dbuko;2234798]I stayed in the Grande Mecure Jakarta Harmoni last trip and I enjoyed the location.
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[/QUOTE]I recommend this hotel. Great location in North Jakarta. Did you go to the evening cocktails on the 10th floor in the evenings? Fantastic cocktails, expensive, but great eye candy making them!

Quick report and review:

What a gem to have discovered! Or may be it was a weekday so I got lucky. A total of 4 therapists shown to me, 2 out of which were absolute stunners! Locals, amazing hot bods, super cute looks and willingness to go the extra mile. Total damage was approx 1.3 juta (300 k for the massage and 1 juta to the girl) but totally totally worth it.

If you want to discuss hotels, that's a better place to post. Keep this section about the cewek.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2235098]I recommend this hotel. Great location in North Jakarta. Did you go to the evening cocktails on the 10th floor in the evenings? Fantastic cocktails, expensive, but great eye candy making them![/QUOTE]

I am thinking of doing Jakarta for 2 weeks over Christmas and New Years.

I usually do Pattaya but its just too crowded for me with douchie dudes that time of year. I prefer to hit Patts in the low season.

Is this a good time of year to visit Jakarta. Will girls be around and will venues be open normally?

Many thanks for any info!

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2235860]I am thinking of doing Jakarta for 2 weeks over Christmas and New Years.

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Is this a good time of year to visit Jakarta. Will girls be around and will venues be open normally?

Many thanks for any info!

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]Business as usual my friend, business as usual.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2235894]Business as usual my friend, business as usual.[/QUOTE]Thanks! That is good news.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2235860]I am thinking of doing Jakarta for 2 weeks over Christmas and New Years.

I usually do Pattaya but its just too crowded for me with douchie dudes that time of year. I prefer to hit Patts in the low season.

Is this a good time of year to visit Jakarta. Will girls be around and will venues be open normally?

Many thanks for any info!

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't want to be in Pattaya or Bali during Christmas and New Years, but Bangkok and Jakarta are fine. I actually prefer Bangkok over Jakarta during that time period though. It feels more like Christmas in Bangkok than it does in Jakarta and I prefer the New Year's celebrations in Bangkok as well.

[QUOTE=TxDaver;2232343]What time does Classic open? Last 2 times I went, I was told to come back in 2 hours when I arrived around Noon. This was on a Sunday and Monday.

Also, has anyone been to Sagita Spa? After doing some shopping at Plaza Indonesia, I may give it a try. I'd welcome any feedback. I'll post a report and share my experience.[/QUOTE]4 pm, some girls come in early to avoid traffic congestion at 1-4 pm.

Hi all,

Visiting Jakarta on 31st. Looking at buying generic CIalis. Its just a Aid / Insurance as I am nearing 40 and lately performance is in diminishing trend. Can you share some specific 3 places in Jakarta where I can get just 2 of them?

That should suffice for the 6 day trip.

OS.

[QUOTE=OldSnake;2236503]Hi all,

Visiting Jakarta on 31st. Looking at buying generic CIalis. Its just a Aid / Insurance as I am nearing 40 and lately performance is in diminishing trend. Can you share some specific 3 places in Jakarta where I can get just 2 of them?

That should suffice for the 6 day trip.

OS.[/QUOTE]In which part of Jakarta will you stay? But if there's a Kimia Farma near you, give it a shot.

I found it readily available in any pharmacy without a prescription. Even in the province.

You can buy in any quantity. Even just 1.

Just walk in and ask for it.

SEA TRaveler.

[QUOTE=OldSnake;2236503]Hi all,

Looking at buying generic CIalis. Can you share some specific 3 places in Jakarta where I can get just 2 of them?

That should suffice for the 6 day trip.

OS.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldSnake;2236503]Can you share some specific 3 places in Jakarta where I can get just 2 of them?[/QUOTE]Left, right and center.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2236060]I wouldn't want to be in Pattaya or Bali during Christmas and New Years, but Bangkok and Jakarta are fine. I actually prefer Bangkok over Jakarta during that time period though. It feels more like Christmas in Bangkok than it does in Jakarta and I prefer the New Year's celebrations in Bangkok as well.[/QUOTE]I am glad I am not the only one that sees things this way. I was starting to feel liek an old fogey. But these young douchebags are just insufferable.

Actually you now have me thinking that it may be a good idea to split my time between the two. A week or so in each.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2236060]I wouldn't want to be in Pattaya or Bali during Christmas and New Years, but Bangkok and Jakarta are fine. I actually prefer Bangkok over Jakarta during that time period though. It feels more like Christmas in Bangkok than it does in Jakarta and I prefer the New Year's celebrations in Bangkok as well.[/QUOTE]I just booked my 30 day tour through Asia. Landing in BKK on Dec 30th. I had planned on doing NYE in Pattaya. I'm a younger guy but don't think I'm a douchebag. LOL. Any particular reason you prefer BKK over Pattaya for NYE?

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2237076]I just booked my 30 day tour through Asia. Landing in BKK on Dec 30th. I had planned on doing NYE in Pattaya. I'm a younger guy but don't think I'm a douchebag. LOL. Any particular reason you prefer BKK over Pattaya for NYE?[/QUOTE]Since pattaya is a party city to begin with I find NYE in pattaya to be no different than any other night except for 3 things. Expect to pay way more for dinner. Expect fewer girl availability since guys would have prearranged to be with their favorite girl. The 360 degree fireworks show is impressive. Just stand on beach road around Central festival and enjoy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2237190]Since pattaya is a party city to begin with I find NYE in pattaya to be no different than any other night except for 3 things. Expect to pay way more for dinner. Expect fewer girl availability since guys would have prearranged to be with their favorite girl. The 360 degree fireworks show is impressive. Just stand on beach road around Central festival and enjoy.[/QUOTE]Yeah I just was wanting to get out of the states for the holiday. NYE always sucks here. I will add a 4th thing to your list. Expensive hotels. Thanks for the tip about the fireworks. I would have missed that. Would BKK be different? I'm just curious what makes BKK better for NYE. Starting to think I should change from Pattaya to BKK or Jakarta. I've just spent so much more time in Pattaya so seemed like the best comfortable spot with plenty of younger talent. Out of Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Philippines, Burma, Cambodia, Vietnam, Macau and Malaysia where would you spend NYE? Going to attempt 3 days in each just not sure what order. May also kick out Macau and South Korea.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2237706]Out of Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Philippines, Burma, Cambodia, Vietnam, Macau and Malaysia where would you spend NYE? Going to attempt 3 days in each just not sure what order. May also kick out Macau and South Korea.[/QUOTE]If going to the Philippines, be mindful of typhoons during the period between Christmas and NY. Manila is usually pretty good but I've been stuck in towns south of there a few times due to storms rolling in at that time. I wouldn't be paranoid about it but just keep an eye on the forecasts.

Enjoy your trip.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2237706]Yeah I just was wanting to get out of the states for the holiday. NYE always sucks here. I will add a 4th thing to your list. Expensive hotels. Thanks for the tip about the fireworks. I would have missed that. Would BKK be different? I'm just curious what makes BKK better for NYE. Starting to think I should change from Pattaya to BKK or Jakarta. I've just spent so much more time in Pattaya so seemed like the best comfortable spot with plenty of younger talent. Out of Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Philippines, Burma, Cambodia, Vietnam, Macau and Malaysia where would you spend NYE? Going to attempt 3 days in each just not sure what order. May also kick out Macau and South Korea.[/QUOTE]I would more certainly drop Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Malaysia and Macau. I have never been to Burma so I cannot comment, although I hear it is great for a short visit (not sure about NYE).

I have been in Jakarata, Bangkok, Pattaya, Manila and Angeles during NYE time and I can safely say BKK was by far the best. Pattaya just gets too crowded and too expensive (compared to usual prices). AC is always fun, and I would happily go back there. Manila is pretty good too, though I noticed the quantity of talent low during the last week of the year right after 23 Dec. I have done Phnom Penh a few times but never during NYE, and I don't think it would be any different really.

I might add Singapore to your list, if money is no object to you. If you are willing to list Japan, Korea and Macau, then I gather your budget will be reasonable. Get a suite at Marina Bay Sands and get some of the most fabulous golden pussies this island nation has to offer. Insanely priced, IMHO. Some places charge $1000 for a couple, just for a table and free flow champagne for 2 hours. Flash the cash and you can totally live the Dan Bilzerian life.

I'm a 62 year old American retiree who is staying long term in the Philippines but enjoys vacationing around Asia. I'm not poor but I do value the value of my retirement dollars. I always stay in North Jakarta because $35 a night for a large king sized bed room at the Novotel Hotel is a darned good deal, and there's good variety and value in nearby lower budget mongering options.

I did a cruddy job of planning this trip. Arriving on a Sunday was really stupid from a mongering perspective. In the early evening I ojeked (Indonesian verb) to Lokasari Plaza in Mangga Besar and saw no service providers, so I caught another ojek and headed to the street that I like to call "Three Spa Road". It's the first street southeast of the intersection of JL Raya Mangga Besar and JL Hayam Waruk near the Mangga Besar TransJakarta station. The first spa / club is called Berlian, the second spa's name escapes me and the third is the Kartika body to body massage spa which is staffed by over aged and overweight whales.

In the past I've had good luck with younger providers at Berlian, so I stopped in for a beer at around 8 pm Sunday. Unfortunately the landscape consisted of the oldest, ugliest, chubbiest, and most disinterested females I've ever seen in a Jakarta spa. I am not a fussy man but even in my semi-rigid state I simply could not pull the trigger, even with the temptingly low price of 300,000 Rp. Of course it helps to have Hotel Travel nearby as 380,000 Rp fallback plan.

My taste buds were thirsty for brewed hops and grains, so I bid adieu to the spa and took a taxi to JL Faletahan in Blok M (Bule Street), arriving at around 10:30 pm. Started the evening with a couple of beers at the upstairs pub to the right of My Bar (I think it's called E-something) and had a relaxing time there until I was alcoholically-fortified enough to venture to My Bar to select my lady of the night.

Again, Sunday night was not my friend. The patrons at My Bar consisted of one other foreign guy and about 12 well-worn middle-aged hags eyeing me like sharks around a wounded tuna. I simply didn't see anyone there who was worthy of a drop of my man gravy. But it was getting late and I was determined not to go home alone.

Finally I lowered my personal standards to allow one to invade my personal space and sit with me. Her name escapes me, but she was a moderately pretty 42 year old from Bandung. Her loose-fitting dress hid some rolls of fat but the short hemline, low cleavage, ample bosom, and high sandals enhanced her sexiness. She wasn't ideal, but my beer goggles told my brain she would do nicely.

Her English skills were fair and she was a good conversationalist. We had lots of fun and it didn't hurt that she knew what erogenous spots to touch to pique my interest. She seemed genuinely interested in and attracted to me, so after my 5th JL Falatehan beer I was ready to make a deal. She wanted 700,000, I offered 500,000 and she readily accepted.

We walked hand in hand to the end of the road to find a Bluebird taxi, and luckily found one that was willing to use the meter. The whole way there she kept massaging my cock through my pants as we stuck our tongues down each other's throats. We didn't care what the driver thought of our actions. I guess he would have stopped the cab and threw us out if we had offended his Muslim sensibilities too badly.

We ended up at the hotel at 3 am and she ended leaving at 7:30 am. As predicted, the session was superb and was everything I could have hoped for. Used 3 condoms but could only manage 2 cums. It sucks getting old.

She lives far away in Tangerang, so I gave her 100,000 extra so she could get home safely. My only disappointment was seeing her put on her hijab head covering as she was getting dressed. It's always been one of my weird bucket list fantasies to copulate with a Muslim gal dressed in her religious garb. Oh well, maybe tomorrow.

On Tuesday night I made my maiden voyage to Kota Indah. It doesn't get talked about too often in this forum, but it's definitely worth a visit. It's located in North Jakarta just off JL Pangeran Jayakarta, or Pang-Jay. After dark this road is somewhat dark and menacing, and as the taxi rolled along I had some doubts about my decision to come here. Eventually the driver motioned me out of the cab at a guard shack near a Bali Hai sign, and I strolled by like I had been there before.

Kota Indah is a rectangular residential / business block that has a collection of 8-10 bars / spas. I arrived at around 9 pm and was surprised at how fast I relaxed once I started walking. The area is fairly clean and there were a few "observers" stationed around the area to keep the peace. I never felt threatened or unsafe. In fact, I was pretty much ignored by everyone except for the mamasans.

I stopped by 4 clubs. 3 of them were loud smokey places, loaded with locals sitting on you-shaped padded couches partying with their female companions. It looked like everyone was having a great time, but they weren't the right places for a solitary white guy to fit in.

Finally I walked up the stairs of what ended up being the most suitable establishment, called Starmoon. It's a dark yet clean place with reasonably-priced beer but with uncomfortable elevated chairs that were hard on my butt.

I'd estimate around 50 girls were available. Most were seated behind glass in a well lit, tiered seating fish bowl except for the smokers who would puff in the main bar area before eventually retreating inside. I'd say at least 1/3rd of them were as pretty as any BATS girl I'd seen. Your mileage may vary.

The toilet area was smaller than I had anticipated and had a rather uncommon floor plan. It has a single entrance for everyone, but separate areas containing the men's and women's toilets and a joint-use sink area in the middle.

As I strolled in, I was caught off guard by the presence of 3 beauties taking selfies at the sinks. My immediate reaction was one of horror, where I assumed I had mistakenly stumbled into the female toilet. But one of them jabbered at me in Bahasa and pointed to the right door.

Upon finishing, I went to wash my hands but the girls were still there. They moved aside, and after I was finished one of them motioned that they wanted to take a selfie with me. I can only hope my face is plastered on one of these lovely creature's Facebook wall, waiting to be discovered through the magic of facial recognition software.

The mamasans were attentive but not too pushy as I told them I wanted to drink a bit first. After my first beer, I mentioned to one that I was ready to make my selection.

I asked if any of the girls spoke English, and she said she would find out. She walked inside and eventually brought one to me. Fortunately she was a smoking hot girl: 21 years old with long legs, lovely physique, pretty face, beautiful luscious black hair, and wearing a super short mini dress with 6 inch stripper shoes.

I ordered another beer and offered her something to drink. She seemed a bit hesitant to accept, but finally decided to have some juice. Her English skills were barely adequate and I could tell she was a bit uncomfortable in entertaining a foreigner. But OMG she was absolutely gorgeous and I was not going to let her slip through my fingers.

After paying the 388,000 Rp charge, she led me to a well lit and clean room which had two containers of bottled water. We stripped down and showered together, then she applied some lubricant in her hoo-hoo and gave a somewhat satisfying one minute uncovered blow job. On went the condom and we had about 10 minutes of missionary, doggie, and cowgirl sex before I finished with a vigorous missionary explosion. Again we showered together, then I got dressed, gave her a 50,000 Rp tip, and headed out the door. No demonstrative GFE, but she was pretty, pleasant, and compliant and I left very satisfied.

As I walked to the road I was basking in the glow of doinking a gorgeous creature for a mere $30 US dollars. But my warm feelings evaporated once I had to deal with the local taxi mafia.

Guys, there are no metered Pukasa or Bluebird taxis waiting for customers on Pang-Jay. Just those shitty beat-up Toyota Vios cabs with drivers who know they have us by the balls. It cost me 30,000 Rp to get there and luckily it only took 50,000 to get home. But for those of you traveling to far-flung places, be prepared for some sticker shock.

In retrospect, Kota Indah provides a somewhat comparable experience to Hotel's Travel and Classic, except it's a lot rougher around the edges. The girls dress a lot sluttier at Starmoon and it was nice to be able to sit with a girl and drink and relax without a pushy mamasan hovering overhead. Like General MacArthur, I shall return.

Visited Jakarta, just for a couple of nights, without mongering as primary purpose, and failed to RTFF first. LOL.

My report is completely useless to experienced hands in Jakarta but may have something of use for those just making a Visa run and don't know the place.

Incidentally this is not a great place to apply for a single entry Visa to Thailand, it takes too long and all the evidence they require including Hotel bookings is excessive. So for Thai Visa runs use some other place. E. g. Laos.

This naturally leads to possibility to make many mistakes as a newbie. LOL First one was going to establishments, thinking I would be taking the girl away, when actually had to do her on the premises. LOL So I failed to have my special condoms and lube with me. Now I know you really have to have private arrangements to have girl at your Hotel. No barfining.

Visited Malio club downstairs, Malioboro? Upstairs, 1001 Pool, and night club in something Hotel.

I am going to compare to Bangkok at times, because that is what I know well, but may not always be relevant. Firstly the quality of the girls met in line ups was significantly higher than BKK girls, in that a much higher percentage of the girls I would rate as doable, and lower percentage of total uglies, lower percentage of surgery girls. Line ups relatively large.

Stunning girls tended to be a bit pricey. Nothing strange about that. Cheap priced girls not so stunning (similar to very ordinary Bangkok girls). Behaviour of girls tends to be more aggressive than what I am used to with large numbers of dancing girls coming uninvited, and having to indicate multiple times that they were not going to get a drink, or their friend was not invited (one girl is enough). LOL.

In BKK I find I have to say no only a limited number of times. In Jakarta they don't seem to take no for an answer. Maybe have to repeat it five times to be very clear. LOL.

Where I expected to be able to chat to the couch girls first (the more reasonable priced ones) before deciding if we were a match, this was wrong, it was more like a Bangkok Soapy or MP where you basically had to choose the girl just by looking at her briefly (in BKK soapies you normally get to check out the line up for extended time). This leads to extra possibility to make a mistake, even if Jakarata girl attitudes are generally better than Thai girls.

The girls available to chat to first, were usually dancers in a significantly higher price bracket. I tried to call over a couch girl in Malioboro (upstairs) to chat to only to find the pressure to take her upstairs immediately. She went away quickly and some other customer grabbed her to fuck. She was a superior looker. Had an experience with chatting to a really lovely dancing girl in Malioboro (upstairs) using Google Translate as her English level was extremely low. I liked her a lot for looks and personality. A cut above the rest in my eyes. Unfortunately she was not available to fuck due to on her period. I decided to chat to her anyway. Apparently she also works at Emporium other days, but I did not expect to stay in Jakarta long enough to return for her.

Later found a somewhat raunchy dancing girl to go to a room with in Malio called Tiara. She reminded me of an ex GF but with bigger tits and younger. She was a lot of fun. No issues with her at all other than she went through too many drinks beforehand. LOL My fault. She was keen to give her contact info that suggested cheaper private liasons could be possible. Later spotting dancing girls with stunning bodies, so plenty of talent but a bit pricey. Would have been nice to be there in former times when they danced nude. Instead revealing outfits.

Another day picked a couch girl with no pre-chat to speak of possible, at 1001 and turned out we were not totally compatible. Was very similar to one of my La Belle Soapy gone wrong experiences in Bangkok. Although one factor was we had just 60 minutes available supposedly. I could swear the phone rang at about 40 minutes, but is possible she had wasted so much time in the shower, that time had moved faster than I believed. She enjoyed my DATY. I did not enjoy her BBBJ. Her technique was not good, too fast but shallow, and included too much fingers on the dick, despite me trying hard get her fingers to tickle the balls instead. I was just trying to work out how to finger her to get hard, when the phone rang, and she answered, then tried to continue suggesting 10 minutes left, and then the phone rang again. So no fucking occurred. An easy guy probably would have skipped the DATY, liked the crappy BJ, and fucked her quickly. As usual I find I am often not specially compatible with new girls I don't know.

Later went to a club with band and singers. Girl standard was a bit lower. Mainly the older fattish girls approached me, not my cup of tea. Nothing really my spec but a few acceptable slimmer girls.

Food in Jakarta was weird with lots of unknown battered deep fried stuff (little clue what it was LOL), also fried rice and fried noodles are staples but I generally don't take much carbs so, had to find more Chinese style vegie dishes. Not a great deal of similarity to Bangkok food carts other than very junky type food is available in both places. Just different cheap junk.

Forgive me if I have been unfair at any stage, just was my perceptions knowing very little.

Currency is strange to get used to 1 million rupiah seems to be worth about 2000 Thai baht, or maybe just a bit over $50 US in ball park terms. I don't actually use US currency at all.

In many clubs you have little idea how big you bill is till you leave. Charged based on wrist band. You don't get to leave till bill is paid and get an exit pass. I don't know how much girls make out of the bill paid. Was suggested might be 60%, so very different to Bangkok where generally girl makes more or her money is paid separately to venue costs. So fancy club is making most of the money. Ordinary girls maybe struggling I have no clue.

Every person that works there seems to want a tip, in case us newbies get sucked in, but we just don't need the boy waiters hanging around so much.

I would have been in heaven in my younger mongering days, but my keenness to do new girls has been waning a lot with age, especially last 2 or 3 years. Tend to be happy with my regulars and don't acquire new regulars equal to those I have already, that easily. I could acquire some new regulars in Jakarta for sure though, given time.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2237886]
Where I expected to be able to chat to the couch girls first (the more reasonable priced ones) before deciding if we were a match, this was wrong

The girls available to chat to first, were usually dancers in a significantly higher price bracket. I tried to call over a couch girl in Malioboro (upstairs) to chat to only to find the pressure to take her upstairs immediately. She went away quickly and some other customer grabbed her to fuck. She was a superior looker.

[/QUOTE]I haven't had any problem chatting up the couch girls at Malioboro. They are brought over in a lineup, I select one and she will sit and chat with me for quite a while before she will pressure me to go upstairs. I've never had one immediately pressure me. Sometimes they sit with me an hour before I take them up or even send them back and pick a different girl. I do speak Indonesian though. If you want to speak English to brothel girls in Jakarta, that's a somewhat rare find. If you go to the bars in the 5 star hotels like BATS and CJs, they basically all speak very good English.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2237886]
Later went to a club with band and singers. Girl standard was a bit lower.
[/QUOTE]There are some gems in there and price of those girls is less than half of the price of the ones in the other area.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2237886]
Every person that works there seems to want a tip, in case us newbies get sucked in, but we just don't need the boy waiters hanging around so much.
[/QUOTE]I never tip anyone at Malioboro (other than the girls) anything.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;2237870]It's a dark yet clean place.[/QUOTE]Clean relative to what? A dirt road? There aren't many places dirtier than starmoon. Go there with the lights on some afternoon.

I do give them credit for getting rid of the sewage smell in the upstairs rooms. It was there the first few years they opened, but I haven't smelled it in a while now (admittedly, I don't go often these days). Rooms still look as dingy as ever, but the sewage smell is gone.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;2237870]Guys, there are no metered Pukasa or Bluebird taxis waiting for customers on Pang-Jay. Just those shitty beat-up Toyota Vios cabs with drivers who know they have us by the balls. It cost me 30,000 Rp to get there and luckily it only took 50,000 to get home. But for those of you traveling to far-flung places, be prepared for some sticker shock.[/QUOTE]For sure those taxis are broken down and dirty, and they will rip you off on the price refusing to use the meter. Many of those taxi drivers have been working there as "mafia transport" for over 25 years. They used to drive becaks back in the day when only MTR was there. They have some good stories if you can speak Indonesian. Hotel Classic and Travel have much nicer rooms and just as nice or nicer girls for the same price. But at those places, you can't find taxi drivers who know those old time funny stories and history.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;2237869]
Again, Sunday night was not my friend. The patrons at My Bar consisted of one other foreign guy and about 12 well-worn middle-aged hags eyeing me like sharks around a wounded tuna. I simply didn't see anyone there who was worthy of a drop of my man gravy. But it was getting late and I was determined not to go home alone.

Finally I lowered my personal standards to allow one to invade my personal space and sit with me. Her name escapes me, but she was a moderately pretty 42 year old from Bandung. Her loose-fitting dress hid some rolls of fat but the short hemline, low cleavage, ample bosom, and high sandals enhanced her sexiness. She wasn't ideal, but my beer goggles told my brain she would do nicely.

Her English skills were fair and she was a good conversationalist. We had lots of fun and it didn't hurt that she knew what erogenous spots to touch to pique my interest. She seemed genuinely interested in and attracted to me, so after my 5th JL Falatehan beer I was ready to make a deal. She wanted 700,000, I offered 500,000 and she readily accepted.

We walked hand in hand to the end of the road to find a Bluebird taxi, and luckily found one that was willing to use the meter. The whole way there she kept massaging my cock through my pants as we stuck our tongues down each other's throats. We didn't care what the driver thought of our actions. I guess he would have stopped the cab and threw us out if we had offended his Muslim sensibilities too badly.

We ended up at the hotel at 3 am and she ended leaving at 7:30 am. As predicted, the session was superb and was everything I could have hoped for. Used 3 condoms but could only manage 2 cums. It sucks getting old.

She lives far away in Tangerang, so I gave her 100,000 extra so she could get home safely. My only disappointment was seeing her put on her hijab head covering as she was getting dressed. It's always been one of my weird bucket list fantasies to copulate with a Muslim gal dressed in her religious garb. Oh well, maybe tomorrow.[/QUOTE]If you found anything at all on a Sunday night at My Bar, you did well. CJs in hotel Mulia is the place to go Sunday night. You have to negotiate there to get a decent deal, but Sunday is slow so the girls have less leverage (and there will almost always be some hot girls there on a Sunday). Wed thru Sat nights you can sometimes find a gem at My Bar, but it's not likely to happen on a Sunday. Still sounds like you got your money's worth. That's the advantage of going with free lancers. The service is much better.

Bule street in Blok M was hopping on Friday night. The bars were loaded with hunters and prey. Even the Obama bar had plenty of patrons but only a couple of available ceweks.

At midnight My Bar was rocking and rolling and the odds were definitely in my favor at about a 6-1 female / male ratio. Unfortunately the women not locked up by male partyers were either ugly with hot bodies, cute with blobby frames, or homely with linebacker physiques. My expectations were high, but I just could not find exactly what I was looking for.

In my 2 hours there I bought drinks for 2 women. Both started the bidding at 700,000 Rp and eventually agreed to reduce their price to 500,000, which I feel is a fair price for the area. But I got the vibe that they were unhappy in doing so, and in the past I've had unfavorable sessions with women who feel like they have been underpaid. So I wavered and passed on them.

By 2 am I wanted to go outside and walk up and down the street to clear my head and stretch my legs. I exited My Bar and turned left and headed up toward the ojek (motorcycle taxi) corner. As I walked between DJs and the Octagon KTV, I passed by a group of 5 girls sitting on the concrete in front of a dark storefront. One of them waved, called out to me, and motioned me over. From a distance she looked fairly cute and had a bright smile and looked doable. I waved back but continued my walk.

After a few minutes of chatting with ojek drivers and 2 streetwalkers, I headed back to the bar area. As I passed by the gaggle of seated girls, the vocal one stood up and asked where I was going. As I had nowhere important to go, I began chatting with her.

As we talked I started mentally and verbally surveying her. Name? Yani. Age? 33 (acceptable). Face? More cute than pretty, with a killer smile. Body? Medium build, no discernible fatty areas. Fun personality with good English skills? Definitely. Nice outfit? Yes (cute top with tight jeans and 4 inch strappy heels). Blow job? Of course, she says she loves giving blow jobs. Double yes. 500,000 rupiah? Yes.

Survey complete, deal is sealed. Off to the Pukasa taxi for a 65,000 rp ride to North Jakarta.

In the cab we had a nice chat as she cuddled next to me while continually rubbing my crotch. I asked why she was not working inside any of the bars and she said she could not loiter inside for an extended period without purchasing a beverage. She then opened her purse and pulled out a solitary 5,000 Rp note and chuckled as she said that's all the money she had with her.

Her group of concrete angels were cuter than most of the My Bar gals. She said she was not previously acquainted with any of them, but the one thing they had in common was they were out of money and were hoping a customer would stroll by. Lucky for me and for her that I was in the right place at the right time.

I then asked if she came to Blok M very often. She said she rarely came because her hangout of choice is normally BATS, but tonight could obviously not afford to pay the 120,000 Rp entrance fee. I could see that her combination of looks, physique, charm, bright smile, and wonderful English skills coupled with the right cosmetics and outfit would allow her to fit in quite well in the BATS world.

Apparently she had not "worked" in about 2 weeks and had not had any sex during that time. I figured it was BS because I always assume all these girls have local boyfriends, but after getting into action I could tell this was one sex-starved creature.

She sucked me while we showered, she knelt and sucked me again while I stood at the end of the bed, and she sucked me thoroughly while laying down. She was a very passionate and willing kisser and had a darting and penetrating tongue which she used to perfection.

On went the condom, followed by missionary, doggie, cowgirl, then she begged for more doggie. On to reverse cowgirl, then I rolled her over and finished in a spirited missionary crescendo. As I came to the end, her pussy spasmed for about 20 seconds and squeezed the last drops of liquid from my loins.

I mentioned that was one heck of a cum, and she said that was actually orgasm #4. Guess I was too busy to notice.

I looked at the clock and it was 4 am. I was tired and didn't want her to stay. Mercifully she didn't ask to do. We showered, engaged in more small talk, then I handed her the money with 100,000 Rp extra. She wrote down her number and said she really hoped I would call her sometime. Time will tell.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2237975]Clean relative to what? A dirt road? There aren't many places dirtier than starmoon. Go there with the lights on some afternoon.

I do give them credit for getting rid of the sewage smell in the upstairs rooms. It was there the first few years they opened, but I haven't smelled it in a while now (admittedly, I don't go often these days). Rooms still look as dingy as ever, but the sewage smell is gone.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely correct. The hygiene at Classic and Travel is umpteen times better than that of Starmoon, but I must say the bedroom was spartan yet clean.

I live near a medium-sized city on the island of Mindanao, Philippines. I guess my glasses were fogged by the contrast between Starmoon and the shitty girlie bars and $4 dollar short time hotels in my provincial city. Bathrooms in those places would make you gag.

I decided to take the day off and let my libido recharge. At around 7:30 pm I walked along JL Mangga Besar to the Lokasari Plaza to buy some stuff at the third floor grocery store.

I was a bit stunned by how many young-looking teenagers were "working" on the through way between the Prinsen Park Hotel. KFC. Lokasari Plaza. I would estimate there were at least 10 of them, with a couple being pretty darned cute. They were hanging out in groups of 2-3 girls with one being the "Alpha Female" calling out to me to offer their wares. Even though the age of consent in Indonesia is 16, I wasn't seriously tempted because I prefer older women and I wouldn't want to take a chance of unwittingly ending up with a 15 year old. But if you like them legal yet fresh, that's definitely one place to find them.

If you are going to partake, I'd recommend searching out one of the older mamasans to negotiate. I've dealt with them on previous trips and they've mentioned they wouldn't pimp out anyone who is too young. This is their livelihood and they don't want to take a chance on going to jail. I guess I prefer to walk on the safe side of the road, so I pass on the questionable ones.

1001 Hotel Pool:

I left BKK last Saturday rather reluctantly because I was having such a good time there, but starting with my 2 fer 1st night back in Jakarta everything has been going gangbusters, so I think it is a time to give a short report of what I have been up to thus far in CGK.

My 1st night in town, last Saturday night, I went to 1001 Hotel and had reunion sex with J, my favorite Alexis girl from 2017. It was real nice to see her again. Of note: since seeing her she has become jealous and has been acting like drama queen, but more of that later.

A few notes on 1001 Pool Hotel: it is a very posh place. The rooms are very nice. The lounge area is a little dark, but manageable. This establishment is owned and managed by the Alexis group so it is very similar to 7th floor Alexis with many of the same girls except for a few differences. 1. There is now a one drink minimum 200,000 rp. Alexis had none. 2. The Indo girls sit on chairs around tables and couches scattered all over the place so it is not possible to see all the girls at one time like it was in Alexis. The mamasan or papas show customers 10 girls at a time. I preferred the old way at Alexis. 3. Viet's now come in 2 categories regular (2. 4 mil) and model (3 plus mil). At Alexis there was only one category and the price was 2. 4 mil. I saw a few good looking Viet's walking around. They smiled at me. I will ask for a lineup to see what the difference is in quality if any between the regulars and the models. 4. Security now asks if you have a phone and if you say you do they will put adhesive tape over the lens. On my 1st visit I said I had a phone. On all subsequent visits I lied and said I had no phone.

So my conclusion is 1001 is the new Alexis with some price hikes and few decorative changes along with heightened security concerns, but with same high quality lineup of young Indo girls. It is still a great place to go. Coliseum nightclub is also there with more Indo girls to choose from and take to a room in the hotel. I believe Coliseum does not open until 10 pm. I plan to check it out later.

I went back to 1001 on Monday night thinking J would be there. She let me think that by not contradicting my Line texts to her. When I realized she was not there I took another sweet young Indo and had a fairly good although not very memorable time with her except that she insisted on a covered BJ which I rejected. She then asked if I wanted to change girls which I thought was reasonable on her part, but I said I did not want to change girls, only that I did not want a Covered BJ, so we continued with kissing and touching until I got on top of her, applied the Sagami and began shagging her. The sex was alright except for the BJ issue so I had a pretty good time, but I would not repeat with her. She also would not let me take any photos so she is already a blur in my memory. Ha Ha.

On Wednesday I picked up Syzygies at his hotel and we went to 1001. My 3rd time there and his 1st. Syzygies and I also hit up Malio and Malioboro the previous night and I will give my version of that night in a later report. So we arrive and a papasaon shows us around. We are seated at a couch and order some mandatory drinks. After a while our host returns and shows us a l lineup of 10 girls, Gentleman that I am I, wait to see if any of the girls are to Syzygies liking and sure enough he has focused in on perhaps the prettiest girl of the 10. I quickly choose a pretty little spinner that was standing right in front of me. Perhaps we should have asked to see more girls, ie the full lineup, but I was happy with my girl. So the papason leaves us to get each get aquatinted with our girls. After around 10 minutes my girl asks if I want to go upstairs with her and I said yes. I gather Syzygies was asked the same question.

So we parted company at the hotel front desk. Syzygies and his girl went up to a room first. I asked for a VIP room which is around 150,000 rp more and is a little nicer and has a tub. I casually looked at my watch around this time and it was 9 pm to the best of my recollection. Up in the room my girl ran the water in the tub and cleaned her pussy with a shower hose in the water room. Then we got naked and went into the tub. The hot tub experience was far short of anything you get in the Lord or La Belle, but it was still nice to play around in the tub and get my dick washed by this girl. She had very small hands. HA HA. After tub time went to the bed and made out. Then she went down on me and gave me a pretty good BBBJ. After a while I told her I wanted to kiss her too, so she said OK in a cheery tone and straddled me for 69. I enjoyed licking her pussy from this vantage point a lot. She was a small girl and had a nice little ass and puffy brown pussy lips to look at.

After 69 she turned around, place a Sagami on my dick and impaled herself and off we went. I began to really like this one. With her little tits bouncing in the air, we were very simpatico in our movements. After a while I flipped over on her back without leaving her pussy and we continued passionately in mish. Time went by as I was enjoying her and then I rolled her back over on top and we finished strong in cowgirl.

After coitus we embraced and laid side by side kissing occasionally and talking quietly. The phone rang signally my time was up. She answered it and then came back to bed. A few more words and caresses and then we both got up and showered together. I took a few photos of her and we exchanged Line ID's. I told her I liked her and would come see her again. She seemed to really like that idea. I gave her a 200,000 tip.

In conclusion: I really liked this little girl. Although she is not a striking beauty, she is just cute enough and her body is young and tight to satisfy me. Most importantly, sex with her was very good. WIR? Yes. I have a date to see her tonight. LOL.

So I go back to the lounge area all happy & upbeat and see Syzygies seated on the couch. I ask him about his session and was very surprised to hear just how bad his session went. It sounded like a disaster. He asked my opinion about the time issue and I looked at my watch. It read 10 after 10. So I told him it looked to me like I was up there in the room 60 plus minutes. In any case it is just damn too bad that for whatever reason, he experienced a really bad sessions his 1st time in 1001. It was not even comparable to my 2nd night in 1001 which I described a little in preceding paragraphs. But my less than memorable Monday night was still acceptable to me. It just wasn't a memorable shag in any way except that the girl would not give me a BBBJ and not let me take a photo so I could remember who she was. She is already a blur in my memory (girl # 29, 2018 trip), although as I remember it, she did look a little like the girl Syzygies had. I even remember asking him at the time what his girl's name was, but I believe his girl had a different name. My Monday night blur girl was Dewi.

Anyway, I said to Syzygies right then & there in 1001, there are one of 2 things you can do at this point. You can either get another 1001 Indo girl and make up for the last session or since it is Wednesday, ladies night, we can head for CJ's at the Mulia. I warned him that Friday and Saturday are the best nights for CJ's, but sometimes you can find a hot one on ladies night. Incidentally, I was at CJ's last Saturday night, my 1st night in Jakarta. I went there after reunion sex with J in 1001. And on that particular night CJ's was packed with some pretty good talent, In fact I got seduced last Saturday night and took a CJ's FL back to my hotel making my 1st night back in Jakarta a 2 fer! So Syzygies said he would like to check out CJ's and off we went.

I will post more on CJ'S and on Malio / Malioboro next report. I will only say right now that Malio / Malioboro Tuesday night was pretty damn good. I did a repeat session with a blond harem couch girl in Malioboro and then later did a Malio dancer. The girls at Malioboro and Malio seemed to like Syzygies a lot. I went back there last night, Friday night, and several girls asked about you, Syzygies. I am not kidding. You made an impact. 555.

Does anybody know if there is a better day during the week (or time of day) for getting street girls from Hayam Wuruk? Also, has anybody ever stayed at Hotel 88 mangga besar 62? Is it GF, or have a safe (lock box) in the room?

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;2237870]On Tuesday night I made my maiden voyage to Kota Indah. *snip* Like General MacArthur, I shall return.[/QUOTE]Hi KEJ and thank you for the reports. They were entertaining and would be useful to new visitors; Smoothy has given you his critique on other points, so newbies take notice. Anyway, you get my vote for the guy with the best first-reports. Keep them coming! TTG.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2237886]Visited Jakarta, just for a couple of nights, without mongering as primary purpose, and failed to RTFF first. LOL.[/QUOTE]But considering you had Natty Bumpo as your tour guide, there was no need to read the forum.

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;2238261]Anyway, you get my vote for the guy with the best first-reports. [/QUOTE]First report with that particular screen name. Dude went to Belian, Kartika, and Felatehan. This was obviously far from his first rodeo. Probably hasn't posted in a while and forgot the password and email address he used for his old screen name so he created a new one. LOL. I do that on forums as well.

Good to read the two legends of ISG, Syzygies and Natty simultaneously partaking of the delights of Jakarta. Their reports together with that of a newbie have improved the Jakarta thread exponentially. If I remember correctly some reports by Natty in 2015 played a big part in me making my first visit to Jakarta in 2015 which I enjoyed tremendously. Have fun guys!

As much as I think you are a MF I like your replies.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2237048]Left, right and center.[/QUOTE]

Hi yall,

Stopping by Jakarta after Pattaya. I'm planning on staying near Malio.

Is it possible to take girls back to hotel for long time? Would prefer to avoid short time rooms etc.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2238958]Hi yall,

Stopping by Jakarta after Pattaya. I'm planning on staying near Malio.

Is it possible to take girls back to hotel for long time? Would prefer to avoid short time rooms etc.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]All hotels in Jakarta allow you to take girls to the hotel long time.

However, the area near Malio is not the most conducive to picking up free lancers for long time in your hotel. If you are planning to take free lancers to your hotel rather than go to brothels or short time rooms, why would you stay in the brothel area? There are nice areas of town where free lancers would much rather visit. You will find that some free lancers will even refuse to go to a hotel in the brothel district (depending on the quality of the free lancer). If you are planning on sticking with short time 1 hour brothel sessions, a hotel near Malio is perfect.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2238973]All hotels in Jakarta allow you to take girls to the hotel long time.

However, the area near Malio is not the most conducive to picking up free lancers for long time in your hotel. If you are planning to take free lancers to your hotel rather than go to brothels or short time rooms, why would you stay in the brothel area? There are nice areas of town where free lancers would much rather visit. You will find that some free lancers will even refuse to go to a hotel in the brothel district (depending on the quality of the free lancer). If you are planning on sticking with short time 1 hour brothel sessions, a hotel near Malio is perfect.[/QUOTE]Where area would you recommend for freelancers?

Because I am leaving Jakarta tonight, I decided to monger locally this afternoon. I headed over to the 3 street area of spas located southeast of the JL Mangga Besar and JL Hayam Wuruk intersection. The streets are collectively named JL Kebon Jeruk and are numbered with roman numerals.

Walking south from the main intersection, the first street you encounter contains the Berlian and Kartika spas. The second street has about 6 spa / lounges and is named JL Kebon Jeruk XIX (you can look it up on Google Maps). This is where I imbibed today.

The name of the spa I used is called "Ibu Linda" and is located on the left side of the road. Its hours of operation are from 10 am to 11 pm. It's a pretty good option for those who require early in the day servicing.

I showed up at 3 pm. There was a guy sitting outside the door who waved me inside. I asked if there were any English-speaking girls and he said there was one. I was intrigued so I decided to take a look.

There were about 12 girls sitting on a long couch. 3 were young and cute spinners, 2 were average, and the rest were homely looking. He started talking to one gal and after a few seconds she rose off the couch and walked over to me.

Her name is Nic (something), like Nicor or Nicam. 36 year old Indonesian-Chinese, with light skin and Chinese eyes but a flat Indonesian nose. I thought she was somewhat pretty, maybe a 6 out of 10. Shoulder-length hair, pretty smile, nice taut figure, and wearing tight black mini-dress with a low-cut cleavage and high strappy heels.

She sat with me on an adjoining couch and made small talk for about 15 minutes while sipping on cold beverages. A can of Bintang was 50,000 Rp and her orange-flavored bottled drink was 15,000. Her English skills were adequate enough to carry on a conversation and she seemed like a very pleasant gal.

After a few minutes she asked whether I wanted to sit with any of the other girls. I replied that I was enjoying her company and did not want to entertain any other ladies. She smiled and thanked me profusely, and we started holding hands and talking some more.

She said she had been working there for only one week. Previously she was working as a credit card processor but did not elaborate why she left her previous employer.

I was a bit smitten with this gal, so I motioned that I wanted to take her upstairs. I paid the 330,000 Rp charge for a room and one hour of her time and we started heading toward the stairs.

As we passed the other girls, several made comments and started laughing. Of course I don't know what they said, but to me it seemed obvious they were happy for her and she seemed proud to be going with her first bule.

Previously I had swallowed an "herbal energy capsule" that I had purchased in the Philippines. One of the benefits of using this pill is it keeps my cock hard even after I ejaculate. It would serve me well today.

Let me warn you that this establishment is not suitable for fussy men who require a clean fornication environment. I wouldn't call it a shithole, but the room could stand a cleaning with a gallon of bleach.

She and I sat on the bed and talked for a while, then she leaned into me and we started kissing. I wasn't expecting GFE from a cheap spa girl, but it was obvious she was really into me. She was an absolutely fantastic kisser, among the best I've ever had. It didn't hurt that she was a skilled boner tugger too.

After a few minutes, she started blowing me while I played with her nipples. We were so caught up in the moment that we didn't take the customary cold shower to make ourselves fresh.

For about 5 minutes she alternated between sucking my dick, licking my nipples, and deep french kissing. Finally I didn't want to hold out any longer, so I pulled out my Trojan extra thin condom from the USA and rolled her on her back.

Initially she was tight, but it didn't take long for her juices to lubricate her canal. I spent about 5 minutes banging her before I had a small explosion. But my cock stayed hard because of the pill, and she was unaware that I had climaxed.

As I laid the motionless on top of her, she asked if she could ride cowgirl. So I rolled off her and she got up on the saddle. After about 3 minutes she started severely moaning, and the next thing I noticed was a lot of liquid dripping down around my pelvis and balls.

She was my first paid squirter and my gosh she gushed like an upside-down geyser. I must admit it wasn't much of a turn-on for me, but at least I had confirmation that she actually climaxed.

I still had a raging hard-on, and she was bound and determined that I was going to have a good cum. After a couple minutes of recovery time, she moved over to the dry side of the bed and I started doing her missionary again. I gave her 10 minutes of a good shag, but I just couldn't do it.

The disappointment was obvious on her face, and she was afraid I was going to be upset because I didn't "finish". On the contrary, she did everything I could have asked for, and I hopefully reassured her that everything was great.

As we got dressed, I gave her a 70,000 Rp tip and she was appreciative. Before we left the room to walk to the lobby, she asked whether we could meet sometime this week after she got off work at 10 pm. I said maybe we could go out to dinner sometime, and this made her very happy. But I just couldn't bring myself to tell her I was flying to Manila tonight.

As we were walking hand in hand down the stairs, she started humming the "Here Comes the Bride" wedding tune. We both started laughing, then she gave me a big hug and we resumed our descent.

Guys, I would never recommend anyone make a special trip to this area to monger. It's downmarket and I've been previously disappointed by mediocre performances on these streets. The only advantage is it is geared toward daytime action, which is nice for the "early to rise" guys. But today was a nice, no bullshit day with a genuinely lovely girl. A great way to end my 9 days in Jakarta.

I'm in Jakarta from 24 to 27 October. If anyone looking for a buddy please let me know. Probably heading to Hotel Travel, Classic Hotel, Lokasari, BATS, Dragonfly, Immigrant, Blok M. As I'm traveling for pure fun, I'm available anytime of the day. Have not decided on a hotel yet but probably Central Jakarta.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;2239126]

Previously I had swallowed an "herbal energy capsule" that I had purchased in the Philippines.
<snip>
Let me warn you that this establishment is not suitable for fussy men who require a clean fornication environment. I wouldn't call it a shithole, but the room could stand a cleaning with a gallon of bleach.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the detailed reports. I have never been to Jakarta or Indonesia but have a *burning desire* to visit in the near future.

(1) Regarding the clubs in Kota Indah, I sense two common themes:

(a) decent girls are available (6 to 8 range).
(b) the rooms can range from dirty to disaster, but are meant for locals.

I am fussy about cleanliness and will not enjoy doing the deed on a dirty sheet and/or room. The 10 Juta question is:
At StarMooon, can I pay a bar fine (Thai term) and take the girl back to my Hotel?
(Assume my Hotel is within 15 minutes of the club, since distance is important in Jakarta.)

The alternate solution would be to carry a backpack with clean sheet and towel(s).
Confession: I do not like to do this, but have done this in other countries.

(2) What is the brand name of the "herbal energy capsule"? Any notable side effects?

Thanks again,
BKKguru.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2239263]The 10 Juta question is:
At StarMooon, can I pay a bar fine (Thai term) and take the girl back to my Hotel?
(Assume my Hotel is within 15 minutes of the club, since distance is important in Jakarta.)[/QUOTE]You can pay for "booking out" and take her to your hotel. It's about 2 million rupiah for 5 hours paid in advance. So if you take them at 4 pm, they have to be back by 9 pm for 2 million rupiah. If you take them after 11 pm, you can keep them until 6 am for 2 million. If you take them before 11 pm you can still keep them until 6 am but it will be more than 2 million rupiah. I think they want 4 million for all day. Although I have never done it at starmoon, I've tried it a few times from other kota indah bars over the years when it was only 1 million rather than 2. I'm not sure they will allow you to take her prior to 11pm if they don't already know you. However, it's totally not worth it regardless because once the girls get away from the place, they get lazy and sadly the service is rarely as good as it is on site. Sure, Hotel Classic has much nicer rooms, but starmoon has clean enough sheets even though the rooms are not exactly spotless themselves. Short time on site is the only way to go there. You can find some girls who can hold a conversation at some of the other kota indah bars, but starmoon girls are fresh out of the village (mostly Lampung) and basically brainless. I'm not sure I'd want to spend more than an hour with any of them. If you want free lancers to come to your hotel, there are much better options in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;2239126]Her name is Nic (something), like Nicor or Nicam.

As we passed the other girls, several made comments and started laughing. Of course I don't know what they said, but to me it seemed obvious they were happy for her and she seemed proud to be going with her first bule.

Guys, I would never recommend anyone make a special trip to this area to monger. It's downmarket and I've been previously disappointed by mediocre performances on these streets. The only advantage is it is geared toward daytime action, which is nice for the "early to rise" guys. But today was a nice, no bullshit day with a genuinely lovely girl. A great way to end my 9 days in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]You sir, are a gentleman. I am going to try it next week. I haven't been to that area in 10 years, but I have had many good time on those streets.

Her name was most likely Niken. That's a very popular Indo name.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2239263]Thanks for the detailed reports. I have never been to Jakarta or Indonesia but have a *burning desire* to visit in the near future.

(1) Regarding the clubs in Kota Indah, I sense two common themes:

(a) decent girls are available (6 to 8 range).
(b) the rooms can range from dirty to disaster, but are meant for locals.

I am fussy about cleanliness and will not enjoy doing the deed on a dirty sheet and/or room. The 10 Juta question is:
At StarMooon, can I pay a bar fine (Thai term) and take the girl back to my Hotel?.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I can't comment on the availability of takeout from Starmoon since I was only there one time. For me, the general lack of English skills would result in a somewhat boring long-term session.

Of course you would probably feel more comfortable bringing your own bedding, but I'm guessing the condition of the shower area might not measure up to your standards.

The brand name of the tablets is "Robust". Two pills in a pack for 88 pesos at Mercury Drug in Manila. At Rose Pharmacy in Mindanao the price is 110 pesos.

The first time I used them, I consumed both pills at once. After one hour my face started turning red, my pulse rate felt elevated, and I had a slight headache that persisted for hours. I trimmed the dose to one pill and my face still turns a little red but I don't feel the elevated heart rate or headache.

One pill gives me added "vigor" for 2 days. In fact, my session yesterday happened during day 2 after a previous day's Lokasari Plaza session. You don't get the raging random boners of Viagra, but rather an added boost which for me kicks in during foreplay.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2239284]You sir, are a gentleman. I am going to try it next week. I haven't been to that area in 10 years, but I have had many good time on those streets.

Her name was most likely Niken. That's a very popular Indo name.[/QUOTE]You are correct, her name was Niken. Thanks for jogging my memory. She said she's going to visit her mother and kids on Saturday. I didn't ask when or if she was going to return to the spa. She said a friend of hers was trying to arrange other employment in the "real world", so I'm not sure how long she's going to stay.

[QUOTE=BruceBoksi;2239220]I'm in Jakarta from 24 to 27 October. If anyone looking for a buddy please let me know. Probably heading to Hotel Travel, Classic Hotel, Lokasari, BATS, Dragonfly, Immigrant, Blok M. As I'm traveling for pure fun, I'm available anytime of the day. Have not decided on a hotel yet but probably Central Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Bruce,

I'm in the same place as you. Let's meet up!

[QUOTE=BruceBoksi;2239220]I'm in Jakarta from 24 to 27 October. If anyone looking for a buddy please let me know. Probably heading to Hotel Travel, Classic Hotel, Lokasari, BATS, Dragonfly, Immigrant, Blok M. As I'm traveling for pure fun, I'm available anytime of the day. Have not decided on a hotel yet but probably Central Jakarta.[/QUOTE]I've tried PMing you but you're set to not receive PMs.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2239263]I am fussy about cleanliness and will not enjoy doing the deed on a dirty sheet and/or room. The 10 Juta question is:
At StarMooon, can I pay a bar fine (Thai term) and take the girl back to my Hotel?

The alternate solution would be to carry a backpack with clean sheet and towel(s).
Confession: I do not like to do this, but have done this in other countries.

[/QUOTE]Starmoon will not let you take the girls out. The others will but like Smoothy says. The performance drops away. Those girls work from 4 PM to 4 AM 7 days per week so they get back to your room eat something and just want to sleep. Then in the morning she is scowling out at you from under the sheets with one eye open as you apologetically ask if you can slip it in one more time before she catches an ojek back to the mess. At Kota Indah the look of love turns to the look of contempt at precisely one minute past four every morning.

Of course if you pack a glass slipper in with your clean sheet and towel you may just come across as being wacko enough that she falls for you and you both live happily ever after.

Also, once you have a girl with you the taxi mafia have you cornered. Be prepared to pay big time.

Hope that helps.

OS.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2239604]Those girls work from 4 PM to 4 AM 7 days per week so they get back to your room eat something and just want to sleep. Then in the morning she is scowling out at you from under the sheets with one eye open as you apologetically ask if you can slip it in one more time before she catches an ojek back to the mess. [/QUOTE]That would be a fairly good experience with one of those girls, but basically the norm. It's amazing how they turn to complete crap when they get to your place and are not under the control of the mamasans. The last time I tried it, I took a girl I had been with many times and had a great time with her every time that I took her upstairs at the bar. But when I took her to my hotel, I had a crap shag with the girl when we first arrived, then she kept wanting to smoke cigarettes. I was staying at the JW Marriott in a non smoking room, so it was a real inconvenience to go downstairs so she could smoke. She hassled me when I wanted a second shag saying "later, later" and was a royal pain in the ass. I ended up sending her back to her bar after being with her less than 2 hours and never repeated with her again.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;2239126]The name of the spa I used is called "Ibu Linda" and is located on the left side of the road. Its hours of operation are from 10 am to 11 pm. It's a pretty good option for those who require early in the day servicing.[/QUOTE]I have been visiting this area on and off for nearly 20 years but have never wandered down the road of "Ibu Linda" unless I was going to the old Stadium nightclub. I have always had a decent time in Kartika and often return for the body slide and extras. I have avoided Royal Mas and Berlian next door due to the loud music and ghastly smoke filled interiors.

Was Ibu Linda full of cigarette smoke too? I will in Jakarta in just over a week and will have a look around for myself. Thanks for the detailed reports.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2238973]All hotels in Jakarta allow you to take girls to the hotel long time.

However, the area near Malio is not the most conducive to picking up free lancers for long time in your hotel. If you are planning to take free lancers to your hotel rather than go to brothels or short time rooms, why would you stay in the brothel area? There are nice areas of town where free lancers would much rather visit. You will find that some free lancers will even refuse to go to a hotel in the brothel district (depending on the quality of the free lancer). If you are planning on sticking with short time 1 hour brothel sessions, a hotel near Malio is perfect.[/QUOTE]Are freelancers the only option in terms of bringing girls back to your place? From freelance clubs specifically?

I was under the impression that you could bring girls from Malio back to your place as well? From what I read, it seems like most attractive girls you'd find would be at places like Malio?

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2239940]Are freelancers the only option in terms of bringing girls back to your place? From freelance clubs specifically?

I was under the impression that you could bring girls from Malio back to your place as well? From what I read, it seems like most attractive girls you'd find would be at places like Malio?[/QUOTE]I believe you can book them out of Malio. If I'm not mistaken, they charge around 7 million rupiah for that (about 500 USD). Natty Bumpo may be the one to ask for that because I've never done it.

You can find free lancers on Tinder who will take 1 million rupiah if you have the time to work with that. CJs at hotel mulia always has free lancers at night. They are not as young as the girls in the brothels up north, but they provide better service.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2239970]I believe you can book them out of Malio. If I'm not mistaken, they charge around 7 million rupiah for that (about 500 USD). Natty Bumpo may be the one to ask for that because I've never done it.[/QUOTE]Malio take out is not for me. For the price of one take away dancer (7 mil or thereabouts) you can have 3 Malio Dancers (at 2,080,000 rp each) in house with some change left over. That sounds like a lot more fun to me. It's a case where when in Rome do as the Romans do.

But the above (7 mil) is going the legal way by the books. I have had a number of couch girls in Malio & Malioboro, including my current Malioboro couch girl, offer to meet me at my hotel after they are through with work. My current little Malioboro girl said she was finished working at midnight. The last time I was with her we made a tentative date for last Thursday, but I told her I would LINE her 1st to firm things up and then I never Lined her. I didn't want to wait that long. LOL. I will still go back and see her a 3rd time before I leave town. She is a real nice girl. Her price would have been 1,1 mil same as in house, but she would spend the rest of the night so LT and she would keep 100% of the proceeds. It is not a bad deal, but for the original poster's question: 1st you have to meet a girl and start relationship in house and then see where it leads. Malio Dancers in my experience are tougher to nail down for extra curricular outside activities because they work late until closing and most I have met prefer to relax on their days off. But anything is possible with the right girl once you established a friendly ongoing relationship.

For take out in Jakarta, I recommend heading over to CJ's on Friday or Saturday night around 11 pm or same nights the Blok M bars later around 1 am. BTW, I was quoted a very high price by FL's in Bats and CJ's. 2 mil for ST and 3 mil LT. I told the Bats FL, who I thought was very pretty although a few pounds over my usual preference, that I thought 2 mil was a little high for ST. She acted offended and changed seats to move away from me with her less attractive girlfriend. I moved on to CJ's where a more attractive FL made some moves on me. Having learned from my previous encounter with the 1st FL, this time I countered the 2 mil offer with "I will give you 1. 5 AND if you make me happy I will give you good tip. " The girl immediately accepted my offer and later in my hotel room she delivered. I have never had a bad time with one of these 5 star hotelbar pick up FL's. This girl was no exception. I had a great time with her and gave her a 500,000 tip.

I think I wrote that one up in a previous report? Hard to keep track. You guys will have to forgive me. I am very slow in writing reports especially when I am still in the field. My report on my 1st week visits to Malio / Malioboro is almost ready for posting, but since then I have had some more great nights there and I do mean great, including one night with a Kazakhstan Asian ethnic girl that crossed one important item off my bucket list. Note: I am very into Indo girls, so believe me guys, this Kazak girl was really something to get me to walk away from the local honey if even for only one night. I have also had an amazing couple of nights at Emporium Hotel with 2 "VIP" girls. I love those two girls. That makes at least 10 girls in my top 5 new girl list this trip. 555. I have a date tonight to see Emporium girl #2 and I just met last night! 555. The hits keep rolling.

Stay thirsty,

NB.

Sorry for posting another long winded report, but I haven't found any information here about Blok M sexy streetwalkers, so I thought I'd pass on what I learned.

For those of you who have visited the western bar area on JL Falatehan in Blok M, I'm sure that as your taxi got close that you've seen some streetwalkers on the adjacent streets. Usually they are standing next to a male pimp and his motorcycle. What's unusual about them is that most are dressed in eye-catching attire, with big heels and short skirts and are actually sexier and younger than a majority of the MyBar ladies.

Their clientele is men cruising in cars, with the action taking place in short-time hotels. I talked with one pimp and he had never seen a western customer before, especially one walking around in a semi-drunken stupor like me.

If you think of the western bar area as a rectangle, the bars are located on JL Falatehan (the west side of the rectangle). The streetwalkers are found on the north, east, and south sides (JL's Palatehan II, Pattimura, and Palatehan I) of the block.

Note: The naming of the streets in this area is goofy and initially threw me for a loop. JL Falatehan I (the bar road) is parallel to JL Palatehan and perpendicular to JL's Palatehan I and II. You think the city fathers could have made the names more distinct.

Sorry for the long explanation, I just wanted to make things a bit clearer for rookies like me.

On Wednesday, after my taxi made the left turn from JL Pattimura to JL Paletehan II, I noticed an intriguing woman standing on the left side. She was tall and willowy, with somewhat short hair and light skin. She was wearing a tiny tight black mini skirt, low cut tight top which bared her mid-drift, and some 6 inch ruby red slutty shoes. From a distance she was able to grab my libido, but I just passed her by.

My intent was to find another MyBar girl and by 1 am I had made my selection. Unfortunately I was short on cash, so I told the girl I had to run to the nearby ATM and would be back shortly.

But upon exiting the bar, the street was being invaded by at least 30 police / military personnel exiting open-backed SWAT trucks and dressed in olive drab fatigues. I had no idea why they were there or what bar (s) they were heading to, but as a guy who left his passport in the hotel room, my goal was to avoid detection and exit the area as quickly as possible.

So I walked to the ATM area at the south end of the street, then turned left and headed around the block northward on JL Pattimura.

I passed about 10 girls and talked to 2 pimps. Blowjobs were priced at 300,000 Rp and were to take place in a short-time hotel. I did not inquire about full service.

But I wanted to check out the sexy lady I saw on the drive in, and luckily she was still there.

Fortunately she knew enough "Streetwalker English" to communicate effectively. I offered 400,000 Rp for full-service short-time in my North Jakarta hotel and she agreed. We found a Bluebird taxi and were soon on our way. Not much talking but we communicated through naughty tactile touching.

I would estimate she was about 37 years old, with a slightly blemished face but possessing a perfect physique and no belly fat at all. Upon further examination in the room there were no tattoos, scars, bruising, or any outward signs of abuse.

Unfortunately we couldn't converse verbally very effectively, but her sexy body spoke the language we all know so well. For some reason I felt the compulsion to wear a condom for the blow job. As she leaned down toward my dick, she said, "I love blow jobs". Music to my ears. Fortunately she played my little buddy like a Stradivarius violin.

The oral was excellent, the nibbling and teasing was erotic, and her box fit my little friend like a velvet glove. Initially she was a bit hesitant about kissing, but she proved to be a fast learner. Upon reviewing the data, I would grade the experience as "above average".

Yes, there are so many safer, nicer, and more predictable venues in Jakarta for a similar price than a Blok M streetwalker. But for the guy who desires a bit of seediness and suspense in his pursuits, it might be worth a try.

If anyone is aware of other sexy streetwalker areas in Jakarta, please post the locations. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Kodja;2239871]I have been visiting this area on and off for nearly 20 years but have never wandered down the road of "Ibu Linda" unless I was going to the old Stadium nightclub. I have always had a decent time in Kartika and often return for the body slide and extras. I have avoided Royal Mas and Berlian next door due to the loud music and ghastly smoke filled interiors.

Was Ibu Linda full of cigarette smoke too? I will in Jakarta in just over a week and will have a look around for myself. Thanks for the detailed reports.[/QUOTE]I didn't detect the scent of smoke. Also, unlike most spas in that area, the interior walls both in the lobby and upstairs were painted in a light color and were aesthetically pleasing. If there was music playing, the volume was very low because my girl dujour and I were able to easily carry on a conversation.

Thailand is a better option if you want ST or LT back in your room.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2240240]Malio take out is not for me. For the price of one take away dancer (7 mil or thereabouts) you can have 3 Malio Dancers (at 2,080,000 rp each) in house with some change left over. That sounds like a lot more fun to me. It's a case where when in Rome do as the Romans do.

But the above (7 mil) is going the legal way by the books. I have had a number of couch girls in Malio & Malioboro, including my current Malioboro couch girl, offer to meet me at my hotel after they are through with work. My current little Malioboro girl said she was finished working at midnight. The last time I was with her we made a tentative date for last Thursday, but I told her I would LINE her 1st to firm things up and then I never Lined her. I didn't want to wait that long. LOL. I will still go back and see her a 3rd time before I leave town. She is a real nice girl. Her price would have been 1,1 mil same as in house, but she would spend the rest of the night so LT and she would keep 100% of the proceeds. It is not a bad deal, but for the original poster's question: 1st you have to meet a girl and start relationship in house and then see where it leads. Malio Dancers in my experience are tougher to nail down for extra curricular outside activities because they work late until closing and most I have met prefer to relax on their days off. But anything is possible with the right girl once you established a friendly ongoing relationship.

For take out in Jakarta, I recommend heading over to CJ's on Friday or Saturday night around 11 pm or same nights the Blok M bars later around 1 am. BTW, I was quoted a very high price by FL's in Bats and CJ's. 2 mil for ST and 3 mil LT. I told the Bats FL, who I thought was very pretty although a few pounds over my usual preference, that I thought 2 mil was a little high for ST. She acted offended and changed seats to move away from me with her less attractive girlfriend. I moved on to CJ's where a more attractive FL made some moves on me. Having learned from my previous encounter with the 1st FL, this time I countered the 2 mil offer with "I will give you 1. 5 AND if you make me happy I will give you good tip. " The girl immediately accepted my offer and later in my hotel room she delivered. I have never had a bad time with one of these 5 star hotelbar pick up FL's. This girl was no exception. I had a great time with her and gave her a 500,000 tip.

I think I wrote that one up in a previous report? Hard to keep track. You guys will have to forgive me. I am very slow in writing reports especially when I am still in the field. My report on my 1st week visits to Malio / Malioboro is almost ready for posting, but since then I have had some more great nights there and I do mean great, including one night with a Kazakhstan Asian ethnic girl that crossed one important item off my bucket list. Note: I am very into Indo girls, so believe me guys, this Kazak girl was really something to get me to walk away from the local honey if even for only one night. I have also had an amazing couple of nights at Emporium Hotel with 2 "VIP" girls. I love those two girls. That makes at least 10 girls in my top 5 new girl list this trip. 555. I have a date tonight to see Emporium girl #2 and I just met last night! 555. The hits keep rolling.

Stay thirsty,

NB.[/QUOTE]Shit I'm an idiot LOL! I thought malio and maliboro were the same thing. Guess I need to do more research. But fuck me, at those rates I might as well stick to thailand. Not really big on freelancers as you don't get to see underneath till its too friggin late! Maybe Jakarta aint for me. Idk.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2240273] I thought malio and maliboro were the same thing. [/QUOTE]It's the same building, so it is basically the same place and the same thing. The back part is called Malio where they have lots of dancers and some girls sitting on the side couches you can take upstairs. Mailioboro is the front part of the building and also has dancers (but less than the Malio area does) but has far more girls seated around who you can choose from and take up stairs.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2240273]Shit I'm an idiot LOL! I thought malio and maliboro were the same thing. Guess I need to do more research. But fuck me, at those rates I might as well stick to thailand. Not really big on freelancers as you don't get to see underneath till its too friggin late! Maybe Jakarta aint for me. Idk.[/QUOTE]If you want takeout then you have to stick to places like CJs and BATS. You can get girls for under 2 million which is about the same price as a gogo girl for LT. Go on Ladies Night. There are places like Octagon karaoke that are in between CJs and Malio. If you like natural tits vs. Silicone or natural beauty then Jakarta is better. A top girl in Jakarta is pretty hot imo even at low budget places in Kota Indah and Classic / Travel. Classic and Travel rooms are spic and span if that is one of your concerns about doing girls in their bar.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2224809]The basement level is 900,000, not the ground floor. I'm not sure how you could miss the entrance to the ground floor club if you take the escalators. It is just to the right of the up escalator. It opens later than the other floors and has a cover charge. If you are a westerner, they will not make you pay the cover charge when you leave even if you didn't buy anything. But locals and indians do get charged the cover regardless I believe. I think the cover is 50,000.[/QUOTE]I was there a few days ago. The upper floor is awful. I was horny but that definitely ended after the 10th fat and ugly girl I saw. Had to pay 30.000 just to peak around. Came back the next day and tried downstairs. Mamasan directed me to a girl and I had learned that you don't mess with mamasans. So I took a 19 yr old in a room. She was mostly clinging to my body with no action whatsoever. Rather beautiful but very bad. Paid 800.000 to management. Before I got in I was explicitly told that if I did not take a girl I would have to pay 100.000. That would have been the better option.

Maybe German SC have spoilt me too much but for sex I won't go to Asia anymore.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2240240]BTW, I was quoted a very high price by FL's in Bats and CJ's. 2 mil for ST and 3 mil LT. I told the Bats FL, who I thought was very pretty although a few pounds over my usual preference, that I thought 2 mil was a little high for ST. She acted offended and changed seats to move away from me with her less attractive girlfriend. [/QUOTE]Ooohhh. I really wonder what the most prolific poster on this thread will have to say about that.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2240400]Ooohhh. I really wonder what the most prolific poster on this thread will have to say about that.[/QUOTE]Who are you referring to?

[QUOTE=Marky1;2240270]Thailand is a better option if you want ST or LT back in your room.[/QUOTE]How is it better in your experience?

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;2240243] I talked with one pimp and he had never seen a western customer before, especially one walking around in a semi-drunken stupor like me.[/QUOTE]He must be new then because I walk around those streets in a semi-drunken stupor often and almost always stop and talk to those girls. My Bar many times does not have any talent, so I like to take a stroll around the block to see what's on offer. There are some good looking ones on occasion. You mentioned the one you found was 37 years old, but there are some young ones as well. The worst thing is the young ones normally have their male friend seated on the motorbike behind them do all of their talking and I hate that. I can speak Indonesian, yet I still don't enjoy having to negotiate with those guys. It takes away from the fun.

If you drive near the Grand Mahakam hotel (not too far from Pelatehan), there are also some girls in the streets sometimes. And on Hayam Waruk near where Stadium used to be there are girls in the streets as well.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2240324]If you want takeout then you have to stick to places like CJs and BATS. You can get girls for under 2 million which is about the same price as a gogo girl for LT. Go on Ladies Night. There are places like Octagon karaoke that are in between CJs and Malio. If you like natural tits vs. Silicone or natural beauty then Jakarta is better. A top girl in Jakarta is pretty hot imo even at low budget places in Kota Indah and Classic / Travel. Classic and Travel rooms are spic and span if that is one of your concerns about doing girls in their bar.[/QUOTE]I am in Hotel Travel now and think one girl for USD 20 or two girls for USD 35 is a pretty good deal giving the relatively good quality.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2240730]The worst thing is the young ones normally have their male friend seated on the motorbike behind them do all of their talking and I hate that.[/QUOTE]Most of those guys are a bit more than friends. LOL.

You would be aware of the old joke that going down on a streetwalker is the same a blowing a becak rider. . . 😁.

Cheers, G.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2240376]I was there a few days ago. The upper floor is awful. I was horny but that definitely ended after the 10th fat and ugly girl I saw. Had to pay 30.000 just to peak around. Came back the next day and tried downstairs. Mamasan directed me to a girl and I had learned that you don't mess with mamasans. So I took a 19 yr old in a room. She was mostly clinging to my body with no action whatsoever. Rather beautiful but very bad. Paid 800.000 to management. Before I got in I was explicitly told that if I did not take a girl I would have to pay 100.000. That would have been the better option.

Maybe German SC have spoilt me too much but for sex I won't go to Asia anymore.[/QUOTE]I was in Classic two days ago at around 3 pm. Only 1 bar was open, think it was on second floor. Had to leave my work laptop (bag) outside at the security counter and I didn't like because nobody was at the counter and counter was about 10 meter from the entrance. Girls were still sleepy from the night before I guess so didn't have a friendly welcoming attitude.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;2240243]

If you think of the western bar area as a rectangle, the bars are located on JL Falatehan (the west side of the rectangle). The streetwalkers are found on the north, east, and south sides (JL's Palatehan II, Pattimura, and Palatehan I) of the block.

Note: The naming of the streets in this area is goofy and initially threw me for a loop. JL Falatehan I (the bar road) is parallel to JL Palatehan and perpendicular to JL's Palatehan I and II. You think the city fathers could have made the names more distinct[/QUOTE]Well, you learn something new every day.

I always thought Jl. Palatehan was just a mispronounciation of Jl. Falatehan just like "parmer" is used for farmer. I never distinguished between the two and used them interchangeably. No wonder I got a few strange looks from taxis. 🤔.

Thanks, G

I met this sexy little thing, at the LE Meridien bar a while back. I think she said her name was Erin? Had a very enjoyable all nighter with her for 3 million. She said she hadn't fucked in a long time and was definitely a tight, snug fit. She is a petite thing. But, damn did she enjoy it once I was inside of her. I thought the hotel was going to knock on the door or call us to keep it quiet.

Only drawback was a CBJ. I asked her for BBBJ, but she said no. Something about her boyfriend, lucky bastard!! So, that was a let down, but still she was very enjoyable. I couldn't believe her body when she was out of her clothes. She doesn't have the biggest chest, but they were all natural and she really liked the attention I paid to her girls. DATY was also quite exquisite, and she was smooth and very clean. We went through multiple positions and finished in doggie, which she said she really liked. I liked how she would reach back and stroke my nut sack, especially after coming. She was pushing everything out and into the condom, it felt great. A trick I wish more ladies would do. It's something I haven't stopped thinking about since seeing her.

She sent me this pic afterwards, I think to encourage my renting her out again! She was great fun!

MadVic.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2240376]I was there a few days ago. The upper floor is awful. I was horny but that definitely ended after the 10th fat and ugly girl I saw. Had to pay 30.000 just to peak around. Came back the next day and tried downstairs. Mamasan directed me to a girl and I had learned that you don't mess with mamasans. So I took a 19 yr old in a room. She was mostly clinging to my body with no action whatsoever. Rather beautiful but very bad. Paid 800.000 to management. Before I got in I was explicitly told that if I did not take a girl I would have to pay 100.000. That would have been the better option.

Maybe German SC have spoilt me too much but for sex I won't go to Asia anymore.[/QUOTE]Is this the same Classic? The prices you paid and the description of the girls do not match (by a long shot) what others have reported on here.

[QUOTE=Madvic;2240962]She sent me this pic afterwards, I think to encourage my renting her out again! She was great fun!

MadVic.[/QUOTE]Her skin looks flawless!

[QUOTE=Madvic;2240962]I met this sexy little thing, at the LE Meridien bar a while back. I think she said her name was Erin? Had a very enjoyable all nighter with her for 3 million. She said she hadn't fucked in a long time and was definitely a tight, snug fit. She is a petite thing. But, damn did she enjoy it once I was inside of her. I thought the hotel was going to knock on the door or call us to keep it quiet.

Only drawback was a CBJ. I asked her for BBBJ, but she said no. Something about her boyfriend, lucky bastard!! So, that was a let down, but still she was very enjoyable. I couldn't believe her body when she was out of her clothes. She doesn't have the biggest chest, but they were all natural and she really liked the attention I paid to her girls. DATY was also quite exquisite, and she was smooth and very clean. We went through multiple positions and finished in doggie, which she said she really liked. I liked how she would reach back and stroke my nut sack, especially after coming. She was pushing everything out and into the condom, it felt great. A trick I wish more ladies would do. It's something I haven't stopped thinking about since seeing her.

She sent me this pic afterwards, I think to encourage my renting her out again! She was great fun!

MadVic.[/QUOTE]Good job, and excellent choice.

Some folks on this thread will probably chide you for "paying too much" though. Keep it up mate!

[QUOTE=Kodja;2240995]Is this the same Classic? The prices you paid and the description of the girls do not match (by a long shot) what others have reported on here.[/QUOTE]I believe he went to Classic Spa. 100 k entry and 800 k for a session are what I recall spa pricing to be.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2241217]Good job, and excellent choice.

Some folks on this thread will probably chide you for "paying too much" though. Keep it up mate![/QUOTE]I agree. I was about to rampage about over paying, CBJ yadda yadda yadda. However, the photo explains everything: very nice TaTas.

In the end it was his money and his time which he enjoyed. Well done!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2239970]I believe you can book them out of Malio. If I'm not mistaken, they charge around 7 million rupiah for that (about 500 USD). Natty Bumpo may be the one to ask for that because I've never done it.

You can find free lancers on Tinder who will take 1 million rupiah if you have the time to work with that. CJs at hotel mulia always has free lancers at night. They are not as young as the girls in the brothels up north, but they provide better service.[/QUOTE]Eastern Promise has started to be a gathering place for freelancers on live music nights. Check out the beer garden at the back of the complex. The last time I was there I recognised several girls who used to go to Top Gun.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2241315]I agree. I was about to rampage about over paying, CBJ yadda yadda yadda. However, the photo explains everything: very nice TaTas.

In the end it was his money and his time which he enjoyed. Well done![/QUOTE]For 3 M OS would have deposited a shot of little OS's deep inside her.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2241334]For 3 M OS would have deposited a shot of little OS's deep inside her.[/QUOTE]LOL, go for it. I think she hangs out at LE Meridien. Being such a snug fit, I don't know how deep you'd get with her though!

MadVic.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2241315]I agree. I was about to rampage about over paying, CBJ yadda yadda yadda. However, the photo explains everything: very nice TaTas.

In the end it was his money and his time which he enjoyed. Well done![/QUOTE]Her stroking my nut sack and shaft, after coming, was what made it so damn memorable! Well that and her awesome chest. I'm still thinking about both and would rent her out again in a heart beat. And maybe, I'd convince her to go with the BBBJ. Something about her mouth told me it would be a damn good experience!!

MadVic.

[QUOTE=Madvic;2241338]Her stroking my nut sack and shaft, after coming, was what made it so damn memorable! Well that and her awesome chest. I'm still thinking about both and would rent her out again in a heart beat.[/QUOTE]Vic, no need to explain. You're preaching to the converted. LOL.

I once had a girl pinch my finger tips at the ideal moment. That simple act made the sensation incredible and feel like I was about to explode. I've tried many times but never been able repeat it. 🤔.

As I said you paid for and received a good time so well done.

[QUOTE=Madvic;2241338]And maybe, I'd convince her to go with the BBBJ. Something about her mouth told me it would be a damn good experience!!

MadVic.[/QUOTE]If you do return, remember that it's on your terms, not hers. No need to be an Ahole about it but state what you want (activities, duration, protection etc) and your fee and leave it to her to agree or otherwise. Don't ask what she's happy to do and the cost. When she counter offers, just thank her politely and decline. If your offer was researched and accurate she will soon agree. If she is wildly optimistic then there are many others to choose from.

Cheers, G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2241346]Vic, no need to explain. You're preaching to the converted. LOL.

I once had a girl pinch my finger tips at the ideal moment. That simple act made the sensation incredible and feel like I was about to explode. I've tried many times but never been able repeat it. 🤔.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Damn, that would be something I would want to try! Thanks!

[QUOTE=Goferring;2241346]
If you do return, remember that it's on your terms, not hers. No need to be an Ahole about it but state what you want (activities, duration, protection etc) and your fee and leave it to her to agree or otherwise. Don't ask what she's happy to do and the cost. When she counter offers, just thank her politely and decline. If your offer was researched and accurate she will soon agree. If she is wildly optimistic then there are many others to choose from.

Cheers, G.[/QUOTE]Not to sound like an asshole, but I've been a hobbyist for almost 30 years. Although, not that often in Indonesia. I am pretty familiar with how to approach my requests, with tact. And since she sent me a great picture, I think there may be possibilities. Even if it's not available, she was still a fun little thing for the night and then some. She did not want to scoot out at 7 AM.

[QUOTE=Madvic;2241365]
Not to sound like an asshole, but I've been a hobbyist for almost 30 years. Although, not that often in Indonesia. I am pretty familiar with how to approach my requests, with tact. And since she sent me a great picture, I think there may be possibilities. Even if it's not available, she was still a fun little thing for the night and then some. She did not want to scoot out at 7 AM.[/QUOTE]My apologies. No offense intended.

I read your original report as you being a bit lost and letting her take the reins on what would (not) happen which was obviously incorrect.

Have a great time should you be able to return, G.

[QUOTE=Kodja;2240995]Is this the same Classic? The prices you paid and the description of the girls do not match (by a long shot) what others have reported on here.[/QUOTE]I clearly wrote what I did. But in a concise way. And as I have not written all that much on this forum you might have questions, yes.

I replied to a post by Smoothy who gave an estimate of prices. I just wanted to make it more precise. The estimate of Smoothy doesn't differ too much from what I paid and was quoted. So there is no need for BB to suggest I went somewhere else. My MO is mostly 'just pick the most beautiful girl'. In Classic upstairs the 'beauty' of the girls is so depressing that I lost my huge appetite. Maybe others have lower expectations but I am used to Amsterdam RLD and German SC. The last years I have been to Bangkok and Jakarta. The only session that was satisfying was a girl in the Lord in Bangkok (now closed). Other girls were not beautiful enough or had a service level that is below my expectations. But I remember my first mongering sessions and then I was quite happy with girls and service levels that I just don't fancy anymore now. If e. G. An American comes to Indonesia and is used to pay 500 dollar for a fatty then he will be very happy. Well, I am used to pay 100 euro tops for a beauty. So, it may be due to expectations.

I will clarify a bit more. The first day I went to Classic upstairs and at the left side there are so many fatties that I just don't understand why they admit so many of these girls. On the right side it was a bit better but not one of them was really a stunner that could make me forget the fatties. So I left. Next day I went to Malio (few dancers, many girls on the side). I just wanted to have a drink and look around. Then I saw a dancer that was so damn beautiful, she could have asked me anything. But she was not available for sex. Not for me anyway. I asked again to another mamasan and again it was "Impossible". Then Mamasans and girls came to my table but I did not fancy one of them. Later I saw a girl that I liked. I asked mamasan about her and she led me to another girl and started to write a receipt or something. I was flabbergasted. I ask her about a girl and she simply gets me another one. Without asking. Without even one word spoken. I told her I would like to talk with my choice, maybe even talk to her choice but in no way I would accept being led to a girl and just session with her. So I left. Malio may have one very beautiful girl and a few that are OK but it is not crowded with beauties.

My libido was quite big and so I went to Classic downstairs. I simply accepted mamasan's choice as I really wanted a session here and now. Dire consequences.

So I just don't like Jakarta nor Bangkok very much. OK, Crazy House in Bkk for nude dancers, but that is the only thing that is really worthwhile.

I'm glad to see someone finally post a picture. In my opinion, no field report is worth a lot without one. Kudos for that and thanks for sharing! Great body and great tits. To find even a decent looking girl at LE Meridien is not an easy task these days. The place is dead.

Sure, 3 million is too much (that is 1 million more than I have given any girl in 20 years in Jakarta), it's about double the going rate. But the good thing about that is the girl that was overpaid was a LE Meridien pickup. Back in the early to mid 2000's, I loved going to the bar at LE Meridien (Tiga Puluh). I preferred it over BATS and CJs back then. Girls everywhere and a great party environment. Near the end of the night, girls were always on top of the bar in front of the stage dancing sexily. It was awesome. One night there, a girl took her clothes completely off and was dancing naked for a bit until security stopped her. I've never seen that at BATS or CJs! They had a lot of good band back then, and the public relations girl they had at the club at the time was an absolute stunner and extremely competent. Neither BATS nor CJs have any staff even close to as good as her.

Then, in the mid 2000's, they decided to "renovate" the bar. There was nothing at all wrong with it, but they "renovated" anyway. It was closed a good while and when they did open again, the "renovated" bar was worse than it was before. The sight lines to the stage had been restricted by huge poles rather than the smaller ones they had before. The newly renovated place wasn't a drastic change, but it was definitely a downgrade from what it had been. Another mistake they made was they re-opened with an all black band that was seemingly friends with the Nigerian drug dealers in town, and drug dealing became popular in the place when it reopened. JJs (a popular night spot in Thamrin) had just closed down and that was the place where the Nigerians had previously hung out. With that closing, and their ties to the band at Tiga Puluh, they relocated to Tiga Puluh when it reopened. It was ok at JJs because they stayed on the 2nd floor and people not looking to buy drugs never had to worry about them, but at Tiga Puluh, there was no special area for them so they congregated with everyone else. It was a recipe for failure for Tiga Puluh and when the place re-opened, it quickly lost it's stature as a club that can compete with BATS and CJs. One night, a guy reported to the LE Meridien staff that he had a bag stolen from him in Tiga Puluh bar that contained 15,000 usd. Why the hell is anyone walking around Tiga Puluh with a bag holding 15,000 usd in cash? It was an uncomfortable environment. The Nigerians are not there anymore, but neither is anyone else. I'm certainly not saying that all Nigerians deal drugs, but I think we all know there is a good number who do. I believe they hang out on Jalan Jaksa and Obama club at Blok M now. Some people say that Tiga Puluh closing down for a while was the main factor that caused the crowds to disappear. However, I think it had less to do with it being closed a while for renovation and more to do with the poor quality of the renovation and the environment when they first re-opened. BATS was closed for over 6 months after the Bali bombing as a security measure, and when they re-opened it was business as usual.

Unfortunately, from that point until now, LE Meridien is no longer a popular night spot and instead of three great options in town, only BATS and CJs are still viable options. However, if girls around town hear that girls are getting 3 million rupiah from guys at Tiga Puluh, that could possibly spur a resurgence of the place. Believe it or not, although Jakarta is a big city, word spreads in this town and girls talk to each other so they know what is going on. I wouldn't be surprised to see some new girls showing up at LE Meridien.

The mention of LE Meridien has brought up old memories from days gone by. I ran across this old post by The Reveller that I saved off the old and now defunct Jakarta blok m site that some of us used to frequent. (it's a damn shame Blok M is a shell of what it used to be) I found this entertaining reading it again today and thought I'd share it for everyone's amusement.

Quoting The Rev -.

"Ah, what would Blok M be without them! After years of painstaking study the Reveller has finally arrived at a taxonomy of the varieties of fauna to be found in south Jakarta, here presented to educate the novices among you and to amuse the cognoscenti.

Sharks.

The hardened professionals, they hunt in pairs or packs. Smart dressers, skilful users of make-up, they have X-ray vision that would make Superman weep and can spot their prey across a crowded bar with uncanny accuracy. They move in quickly and silently for the kill. English rarely gets beyond the "what you name, you buy me drink, you go home same me" stage.

QuickFits.

Named after the well-known UK car repair company that guarantees to replace your brakes, exhaust and / or tyres in less than ten minutes. Usually slim, attractive, and sexy, they ooze lust. But when you get them into the hotel room, they're out of their clothes and into bed faster than a grand-prix tyre change. They haven't even heard of foreplay, and as soon as you've come they've gone. Usually straight back to their bar of choice to line up the next victim.

Derelicts.

Older girls who are past their shelf-date, they home in on anyone with whom they have. Or think they have. An acquaintance, to cadge money for taxi / rent / sick child / sick parent / kid's school-fees / house repairs / phone bill / etc. Some display the remnants of bygone beauty, but many are now so brawny they could make a new career in the WWF.

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Should really be at home doing their homework. Skimpy little waifs, fragile and vulnerable looking, they invariably add at least three years to their real age. Smoke non-stop and have a sink-like capacity for whisky colas. Often very inexperienced. They know what the Naughty Bits are for, and what goes where, but not how, when, or why.

Sulks.

The attractive (and often highly intelligent) girls who sit morosely at the bar glaring into their drinks. Smoke heavily with obsessive intensity. Oblivious to the other girls, and don't even look at the guys. Some are getting over broken relationships, others suffering a general attack of angst or Weltschmertz. Beneath a frigid exterior they're actually seeking companionship and a bit of sympathy, and if they can be drawn out of their shells are excellent company.

Piranhas.

Once they smell blood, they are ruthless in their pursuit of a victim. They can gauge to a milligram their victim's blood-alcohol level, and respond accordingly. They home in on the erogenous zones, and you're lucky if you get to the pub door without shooting your bolt.

Leeches.

You've made the deadly mistake of taking these more than once. Thereafter you are "Theirs" and they will haunt you for the rest of your natural days. 'Fatal Attraction' has nothing on these harpies.

Psychos.

The basket-cases, girls who are completely out to lunch. Faces set in a rictus of a smile, with glazed and fixated eyes, they often have razor-scars on both arms and a can of Baygon in the handbag. Throw towering fits of rage and jealousy when 'their' guy ignores them, or suggests that they push off and leave him alone. Sometimes stalk guys round the Blok and cause embarrassing scenes. Pester non-stop on their handphones if they get hold of a victim's number.

Wallpaper.

These are the largely decorative totty, usually lounging around the walls and chatting to the bar staff. Seemingly oblivious to the guys, they have a glazed stare and are immune to the usual 'come hither' signals.

Brain-dead beauties.

These are the sultry, sexy, curvaceous, luscious creatures you could die for. Until you try to engage them in conversation. You then realise that they drop off the bottom of the IQ scale.

Sleeping beauties.

Vivacious and lively in the bar, as soon as you get them into the hotel room they become drowsy and fall into a deep coma. Not even a scale eight earthquake will wake them, and forget about Prince Charming. Fine if you're into necrophilia, otherwise a waste of time.

Butterflies.

Charming and attractive young creatures who flit from guy to guy to say Hello, share a joke, stop for a drink and a chat if invited. Wonderful smiles, flashing eyes, bubbly personalities. Bright and canny, they quickly sense a guy's mood and never outstay their welcome. Absolute gems.

Amateurs.

These are the occasional visitors, the quiet girls. They usually wear jeans or sensible skirts and woollen tops. They don't drink much, and rarely smoke. They don't wear much. Or any. Make up. They avoid the obvious Lotharios and loud-mouthed lechers, but quietly and efficiently attach themselves to the less vociferous guys. Often the best performers in bed, and they never argue about the remuneration.

Sylphs.

Slender, willowy young girls with wistful expressions and fawn-like gracefulness. Deep dark eyes, and fine exquisite features shadowed by gently swaying jet-black hair. They've got 'look, but don't touch' written all over them, and a quintessential femininity that you'll find nowhere else in the world. As they get older they usually become regular girlfriends of. And sometimes marry. Good-looking young expats.

Sirens.

Named after the mythical creatures, half bird and half woman, that lure sailors to destruction by the sweetness of their songs. These girls are the maddeningly attractive, stunningly sensuous control-freaks who get their kicks from leading guys on until they are quite besotted, mercilessly toying with their victims. And then dumping them. Some guys never recover from the experience.

Starfish.

Complete non-performers who become inert as soon as they hit the mattress. Like their marine counterparts, they just lie there with arms outstretched and legs wide apart. All the joie de vivre of a wet weekend in Torquay, and about as much sex-appeal as cold porridge. The more lively specimens are reported to mutter "you want pom-pom?" in a bored voice. This species, native to Indramayu, is closely related to the Australian Surfboard.

Scalp-hunters.

These girls aren't just after money. They're out to impress their friends by the number of guys they manage to notch up. A sub-species of the genus Shark, very popular with the blokes as they're singularly attractive and invariably good performers. Indeed, the host male not infrequently recommends the girl to all his mates, thereby unwittingly raising her peer-prestige rating.

Tag teams.

These girls pose as Best Friends and snare the unwitting victim into taking both of them, with hints of unbridled erotic pleasures to follow. But once in the hotel room they switch on the TV and chatter together non-stop (usually in Javanese), and instead of the exotic "two up" that was salaciously anticipated it's more like tag team wrestling. While one is vaguely active, the other is listlessly watching television. She then rolls over, taps her friend on the shoulder, and takes over while the one you were dallying with assumes the TV-watching role.

Scavengers.

These are the Hungry Girls. You've barely closed the hotel room door before they announce that they're ravenously hungry, and proceed to order half the room service menu. By the time the food has come and been devoured your libido has packed up and gone home, and if you've been carousing all night you're probably in the arms of Morpheus rather than the sweet young thing by your side.

Paradoxies.

This type has a disdainful, haughty demeanour. But punctuated by occasional flashes of eyes and pouting of lips. Pays exaggerated attention to another guy while she shimmies up to you. Disappears without warning for minutes on end while she secretly watches your every move from a distance, then greets you like a long-lost friend on her return. Pushes her best friend at you to see if you're tempted. Looks shocked and embarrassed when you ask her the inevitable question. Then drags you out of the bar and sets off like a rocket for the nearest hotel. Pure sinetron!

Barnacles.

These are the personable, friendly girls who just seem to latch on to you and become fixtures. Undemanding and unassuming, they're happy to sit with you, have a drink and a chat, and never ask for money or push you to go with them. They're often loners, for whom the bars and discos are a pleasant break from the tedium of a humdrum job or a claustrophobic family. Many are separated or divorced, and may have a kid or two to bring up single-handed.

Limpets.

These are the frotteuses who hook onto you and spend the night rubbing themselves lubriciously against your body. They aren't aggressive or forceful about it. Every contact is made to seem like a delicious accident, the girl pretending that nothing's happening while the guy's hormones spiral out of control and he risks shooting his bolt. They somehow contrive to get all their erogenous zones into contact with yours, giving a whole new meaning to thrills and spills.

OEMs.

These are generic look-alikes who pack the bars and discos. Instantly recognizable by their long black hair, pale complexions, slim figures and black outfits. Listless and bored, they rarely smile or show any sign of animation. All the vivacity of a telephone answering machine. Bussed into Jakarta as job lots from the remoter kampongs of Indramayu, they're re-branded as Blok M girls.

Gold-diggers.

These sleek and slinky harpies think you're a walking ATM. They demand the most expensive drinks in the bar, want you to buy them a handphone after the briefest acquaintance, expect you to pay their rent at the end of the month, and claim to have a string of costly family misfortunes that would keep a sinetron going for a year. If they hook a guy they dig in for the duration and life is one long demand for house, car, gold, jewellery and cosmetic surgery.

Pumpkins.

The Cinderella who suddenly vanishes into the night as midnight approaches, leaving you bereft in the bar with only your drinks tab for company. Even after promising an all-nighter invariably invents a feeble excuse for being unable to stay and scoots off after the briefest of clinches. You're left feeling like a mouse that got whacked by a trap and didn't even get to eat the cheese.

Edsels.

Named after the overpriced and over-engineered gas-guzzling luxury car that was one of the biggest flops in motoring history. Dresses up to the nines, typically high-heeled thigh-length boots, tight leatherette mini skirt, frilly translucent blouse and gaudy jacket. Usually wears a loopy hat on top of streak-bleached hair and totes a futuristic shiny plastic shoulder bag. Make-up way overdone, nails long and crimson, looks like something from a vampire be-movie. Demands the most exotic drinks in the house and turns her nose up at any bloke she considers can't afford her. Doesn't pull many guys, but provides priceless entertainment in the bar.

Retreads.

These girls are like car tyres that have been remoulded and given a new tread. The standard model is slim and trim from medication-boosted dieting, has straight black lustrous hair from industrial-strength dyes and chemicals, smooth pale complexion from a major replastering job, eyebrows scraped, shaped and rebuilt with impasto liner, eyelashes reinforced with heavy-duty all-weather mascara, eyes dark and glistening from synthetic belladonna. The luxury model includes silicon-enhanced nose, lips and mammaries. In the bar they look like a million dollars, and think they're worth a million rupiah.

Zombies.

Completely catatonic, these girls are dysfunctional wallflowers who stand limp and lifeless on the fringes of the bar staring vacuously into space. They don't dance, they don't talk to the guys. They don't even talk to each other. Chatting them up makes Mission Impossible seem like a doddle.

Jurassics.

These are the harbingers, the have-beens and never-wozzers who drift into the bar ahead of the young girls like flotsam and jetsam washed up by the evening tide. Their function is unknown. They occupy no clear ecological niche, serve no obvious purpose, and just sit around the bar, frumpish and inert, like time-worn statues in a jungle temple. There is a slightly more mobile version that clomps into the bar alongside the youngsters and hogs seats at the bar until pushed out by the guys or the bar staff.

Bandits.

These girls are a dangerous mutation, the next step in Blok M evolution. They have an infallible sixth sense that tells them if a guy is a regular with an expat salary, a regular with a local salary, or a visitor flush with expense account dollars. If he's a visitor they home straight in with "Hello, you buy me Long Island Tea, you go with me three hundred thousand, standard price, OK?" The expat-salary regular gets stung for the same drink but there's no mention of the price. Which will be a post-coital stick-up for 300 k or more. The local-salary regular is a last resort, the desperation option. If he looks interested she might push her luck and ask for a Gin and Tonic, otherwise it's a beer or soft and she knows she'll only get the flat rate of 200 k plus taksi. ".

Smoothy,

Quite an entertaining read. I recognize many of these species first-hand. This is sociology at its finest.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2241561]I'm glad to see someone finally post a picture. In my opinion, no field report is worth a lot without one. Kudos for that and thanks for sharing![/QUOTE]If you are trying to live vicariously through some other person's experience, perhaps. But, if you are looking for the info to have your own adventures, its all in the text. No amount of pretty pictures can substitute for up to date reports, so we don't waste our time and incur needless frustration. That's why I try to post detailed field reports shortly after my adventures. Besides, photos are too easily shared, borrowed and very often just pulled off the internet, which is a boundless image bank.

Yeah, I enjoy some eye candy. But, the sweetest is the one alone in front of you, that nobody else is looking at for the next 15/30/60 minutes that you paid for. And when that happens, taking photos is the last thing that crosses my mind.

Smoothy, '7 ages of girls' by the Rev deserve to be reposted too.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2241700]If you are trying to live vicariously... nobody else is looking at for the next 15/30/60 minutes, taking photos is the last thing that crosses my mind.[/QUOTE]Disagree. I frequently film my subjects performing their art (but don't post pics here because it's a hassle). Fantastic to relive the memory visually, aurally whenever I want to and in living color. If a picture paints a thousand words, a video paints 100,000. Furthermore, I highly doubt Mr. Smooth is living vicariously. He doesn't have to. I've seen some of his hotties and they are beautifully photogenic. Cut down on the coffee, man. It's affecting your judgement.

I usually stay at LE Meridien. Will be back there soon. I'm going to have to keep my eyes peeled for this little babe. I'll pay her 2-3 mill for an all nighter. Her body looks flawless. And those tits!

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Gdetsis;2241774]I usually stay at LE Meridien. Will be back there soon. I'm going to have to keep my eyes peeled for this little babe. I'll pay her 2-3 mill for an all nighter. Her body looks flawless. And those tits!

Thanks![/QUOTE]With all the free press her price has probably gone up!!

She should give Vic a referal rebate. LOL.

Last night visited Malioboro. Atmosphere is very good with loud music. Always mamasum behind you.

Good looking girls but very costly compared to other clubs. 1 M is average price here.

If we are looking for short time with good looking ones, then this place is recommended.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2241625] (it's a damn shame Blok M is a shell of what it used to be)[/QUOTE]Yes, it is.

Defunct, but thankfully the site is still up to browse that awesome calendar they made.

[URL]http://jakartablokm.com/gallery/album-mybar-calendar/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;2241902]Yes, it is.

Defunct, but thankfully the site is still up to browse that awesome calendar they made.

[URL]http://jakartablokm.com/gallery/album-mybar-calendar/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]I still have 4 of those calendars. LOL.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2241700]If you are trying to live vicariously through some other person's experience, perhaps. But, if you are looking for the info to have your own adventures, its all in the text. No amount of pretty pictures can substitute for up to date reports, so we don't waste our time and incur needless frustration. That's why I try to post detailed field reports shortly after my adventures. Besides, photos are too easily shared, borrowed and very often just pulled off the internet, which is a boundless image bank.

Yeah, I enjoy some eye candy. But, the sweetest is the one alone in front of you, that nobody else is looking at for the next 15/30/60 minutes that you paid for. And when that happens, taking photos is the last thing that crosses my mind.[/QUOTE]I would think that everyone on here has experienced all of those girl types the Rev mentions. There is nothing vicarious about it. I just posted it in case others found it amusing.

As far as text reports being so valuable. I do appreciate the text reports when they are related to places that have changed somewhat over the years. Such as Blok M. However, there are a lot of reports that are not interesting simply because it's the same old same old. Here's a challenge. Read a recent post on Malioboro, Hotel Classic, or penjay. Then scroll back and read a report on any of those places that was posted here 10 years ago. You won't notice one bit of difference. At least with the photos we can see what people are actually shagging. I hate it when someone says they paid 2 million but doesn't share a foto to provide context. She could have been a 9 or even a 6 for all we know without a foto. For the most part, the text field reports are nothing but a repeat of the same thing over and over again. Look how much interest this new report has generated by simply posting one photo from LE Meridien. That should show you what people find more interesting.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2241700]If you are trying to live vicariously through some other person's experience, perhaps. But, if you are looking for the info to have your own adventures, its all in the text. No amount of pretty pictures can substitute for up to date reports, so we don't waste our time and incur needless frustration. That's why I try to post detailed field reports shortly after my adventures. Besides, photos are too easily shared, borrowed and very often just pulled off the internet, which is a boundless image bank.

Yeah, I enjoy some eye candy. But, the sweetest is the one alone in front of you, that nobody else is looking at for the next 15/30/60 minutes that you paid for. And when that happens, taking photos is the last thing that crosses my mind.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. Ever seen a photo of a girl and when you see her in person she looks very different? It can fool you either way, in reality she can be better looking or worse looking. I much prefer a good trip report. Photos can be very misleading.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2241973]I would think that everyone on here has experienced all of those girl types the Rev mentions. There is nothing vicarious about it. I just posted it in case others found it amusing.

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Should really be at home doing their homework. Skimpy little waifs, fragile and vulnerable looking, they invariably add at least three years to their real age. Smoke non-stop and have a sink-like capacity for whisky colas. Often very inexperienced. They know what the Naughty Bits are for, and what goes where, but not how, when, or why.[/QUOTE]Remembering that Indo girls can be in "School" well into their 20's, it was nothing unusual to wake up from a mid-week tryst to find your special someone pulling on a uniform to head straight to class. This is where colours became very important. From memory, grey was no worries, blue was be careful and red was RUN. 🤤.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2241625]Jurassics.

These are the harbingers, the have-beens and never-wozzers who drift into the bar ahead of the young girls like flotsam and jetsam washed up by the evening tide. Their function is unknown. They occupy no clear ecological niche, serve no obvious purpose, and just sit around the bar, frumpish and inert, like time-worn statues in a jungle temple. There is a slightly more mobile version that clomps into the bar alongside the youngsters and hogs seats at the bar until pushed out by the guys or the bar staff.[/QUOTE]I was talking to a guy in a long gone Blok bar once, in between him serenading his latest conquest. When she turned so that the light hit the right angle you could see that she had an old ear to ear knife wound where some one had clearly tried to separate her head from the rest of her body. Now, I'm a bit slow but even I would recognise that as a sign of someone to be left alone.

Enjoy, G.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2241524]I clearly wrote what I did. But in a concise way. And as I have not written all that much on this forum you might have questions, yes.

I replied to a post by Smoothy who gave an estimate of prices. I just wanted to make it more precise. The estimate of Smoothy doesn't differ too much from what I paid and was quoted. So there is no need for BB to suggest I went somewhere else. My MO is mostly 'just pick the most beautiful girl'. In Classic upstairs the 'beauty' of the girls is so depressing that I lost my huge appetite. [/QUOTE]I'm sorry that things didn't work out for you. Jakarta is my favourite place to monger. I've been around a bit but there's something that keeps pulling me back to the big durian.

I asked you about the pricing of the Classic Hotel because I thought it was less than 400 K. (Not the 800 K you paid) Smoothy noted that the Spa in the basement is around 800 K and the performance there is much better. If you paid 800 K upstairs it seems much higher than what others report it to be.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2241985]Totally agree. Ever seen a photo of a girl and when you see her in person she looks very different? It can fool you either way, in reality she can be better looking or worse looking. I much prefer a good trip report. Photos can be very misleading.[/QUOTE]Using that logic, for your passport, you should just describe yourself using text rather than having an actual picture on it.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2241822]With all the free press her price has probably gone up!!

She should give Vic a referal rebate. LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL, yeah I want a discount!

By the way, it was 3 million total. We originally agreed to 2. 5 million for all night, but after I saw her body, which is pretty freaking awesome (as you can see in that damn teaser pic she sent me afterwards), I felt she deserved 3 million. She thanked me profusely. Since I don't poon that often in Indonesia, I don't know all the details of current rates. Compared to what one pays elsewhere in the world, I thought she was very fair.

And damn, I'm ready to go back for more!

MadVic.

Vic you are Mad.

When she asks for 2. 5 that's a position from which she expects to bargain you down, she never expected for you to offer more after that.

If she was SUPER smoking hot then about 1. 5 would suffice but even then I will get some abuse.

Its ok to ignore mongers who only pay a pittance, its quite likely they are not talking about the same thing.

But at 3 mill you have raised that girls expectations unnecessarily and in the process parted with some of your own money that would have been better spent on 2 really nice bottles of wine!!

[QUOTE=Acejack;2242211]Vic you are Mad.

When she asks for 2. 5 that's a position from which she expects to bargain you down, she never expected for you to offer more after that.

If she was SUPER smoking hot then about 1. 5 would suffice but even then I will get some abuse.

Its ok to ignore mongers who only pay a pittance, its quite likely they are not talking about the same thing.

But at 3 mill you have raised that girls expectations unnecessarily and in the process parted with some of your own money that would have been better spent on 2 really nice bottles of wine!![/QUOTE]

Again, I don't poon often in Indonesia. I know what I pay in some other countries and it was reasonable. The half million tip was just because I was so damn impressed by her body and how she used it on me. And I really enjoyed her reaching back and stroking me during doggie, even after I came. She didn't just pull me out and go clean up. She kept me inside of her and pushed what she could out and into that condom. I'm still thinking about it !!

I doubt I messed up things for the guys who play there normally. I don't go to Indonesia that often. If you guys can get her for 1-1. 5 million, good on ya and enjoy!

MadVic.

Hi all,

Very short trip 5 days max budget is 500 k short time. I know it's Jakarta and plenty pussy, but would be better if I get some known service oriented pussy. Not only I am asking pussy but with a bow tie apologise. Hit me up on PM.

[QUOTE=Questner;2241759]Smoothy, '7 ages of girls' by the Rev deserve to be reposted too.[/QUOTE]I don't have that one. Please feel free to post it if you have it.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2242039]Using that logic, for your passport, you should just describe yourself using text rather than having an actual picture on it.[/QUOTE]Hahaha, especially as the immigration officer, like the ISG reader, has no way of knowing what the individual in the photo looks like in person. LOL.

[QUOTE=Kodja;2241999]I'm sorry that things didn't work out for you. Jakarta is my favourite place to monger. I've been around a bit but there's something that keeps pulling me back to the big durian.

I asked you about the pricing of the Classic Hotel because I thought it was less than 400 K. (Not the 800 K you paid) Smoothy noted that the Spa in the basement is around 800 K and the performance there is much better. If you paid 800 K upstairs it seems much higher than what others report it to be.[/QUOTE]Somehow I don't seem to get through to people when I tell about my experiences in Asia (Bangkok and Jakarta).

They are bad, very bad. Prices are enormous, beauty is average and service level is terrible.

No, I did not go upstairs to pay 800.000. I paid 800.000 downstairs. I stated that very clearly and I don't see why you turn that around.

The only explanation I can think of is that you simply cannot accept that Bangkok and Jakarta stink for sex. They cannot in any way compete with Europe.

So don't waste your time and money. I won't, for sure.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2242540]t you simply cannot accept that Bangkok and Jakarta stink for sex. They cannot in any way compete with Europe.

So don't waste your time and money. I won't, for sure.[/QUOTE]Certainly not something I will accept- I have mongered in over 20 countries on three continents and Bangkok and Jakarta are my two favorite big city mongering spots in the world.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2242540]Somehow I don't seem to get through to people when I tell about my experiences in Asia (Bangkok and Jakarta).

They are bad, very bad. Prices are enormous, beauty is average and service level is terrible.

They cannot in any way compete with Europe.

So don't waste your time and money. I won't, for sure.[/QUOTE]You must have visited a different Asia than I visited, and perhaps your Europe is different from the one I have been visiting since 1978. Last time I was in Europe was three years ago. I had experiences from freelance provider in Berlin (the low-cost mongering capital of Western Europe) at just under 100 Euros for an hour. And that was the low end of the price range, not the average. Since then I had some very good service in the downscale X-house of Sanur for 300 k (17 Euros), which I told was paying too much.

I think the reason you "don't seem to get through to people" is because your story isn't plausible to any one who has actually punted around on various continents. In other words, they don't believe you, and neither do I.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2242419]I don't have that one. Please feel free to post it if you have it.[/QUOTE]OK, here it is. I hope I follow the rules.

[URL]http://jakartablokm.com/characters/seven-ages-of-girls.htm[/URL]

The Seven Ages of Girls.

A journey through time.

The Reveller has defined and penned descriptions of more than twenty different types of girls, but this is a different view of the dear things. Not as individual types, but how they change over time, from their first bashful entrance as new girls to their exit as raddled derelicts.

The Newcomer.

Fresh from the kampong and still awestruck by the heaving metropolis of Jakarta, she hides away in a corner of the bar and watches timidly as her older friends and family perform their evening rituals.

She hasn't got any make-up on, her hair is short and 'sensibly' styled, and she wears a dowdy woollen top over a long skirt or blue jeans. She's a fledgling, a sweet young thing ignorant of the ways of the world and as yet unspoilt.

The Budding Beauty.

She now wears a tee shirt and more stylish jeans, and flat-soled shoes or sandals. Her hair is longer and set in a more fashionable style, and there's a hint of lipstick and eyebrow pencil on her face.

She's got her little coterie of friends, youngsters like herself, and chats coyly with the guys as she sits next to the disco dance floor. She sips a soft drink, hasn't yet discovered the terrors and delights of the Hard Stuff.

The Rising Star.

She's now got poise, and radiates demure self-confidence. Her hair is shoulder-length and well groomed, sleek and glossy, and she's learning the art of make-up. The lipstick has given way to lip-gloss, there's a subtle hint of eye shadow and just a smidgen of mascara. Her nails are nicely manicured, and glossed with plain varnish.

She's just got her first hand phone, one of the budget models, and is rapidly learning its power as she sifts through the SMS messages and giggles naughtily at the blandishments from her growing band of beaux. Her rising status is signalled by gold and jewellery. Small glittering earrings, a few bangles on her arm, perhaps a necklace and pendant, and maybe even an ankle chain. This isn't worn to impress the guys, but to establish her place in the girls' pecking order.

She's graduated from soft drinks, and her tipple of choice is whisky cola or gin and tonic. She'll also jump at the more exotic (and expensive) mixtures. Not because she likes them, but because the bar owners will be pleased with the trade she generates, and award her Most Favoured Girl status. Another fashion accessory is the cigarette, which she handles rather gauchely and inhales with frowning intensity.

The Sophisticate.

Gone are the jeans and tee shirts, she now wears a designer dress. A slinky clinging model, a skimpy mini, perhaps a thigh-split long dress. She's also learnt the importance of a nicely padded bra and elegant high-heeled shoes. The make up is immaculate, and speaks of afternoons bowed in front of a mirror worshipping at the altar of beauty.

Her hand phone is the dernier cri, sleek and sexy. And of course, with integrated camera. Her jewellery is reassuringly heavy and chunky and she sports a designer watch. She has perfected the art of smoking, and every movement is beautifully choreographed. Just to watch her light up is a feast to the eyes.

She's the centre of attraction, holding court at the best table in the bar, laughing and chattering with the older big spenders and the young bucks as they queue up to pay court and ply her with expensive drinks. She'll dance with a favoured few, and flirt quite outrageously so as to make the other besotted guys ache with jealousy.

The Belle.

She's now one of the grandes dames of the Blok, mature and confident and at the height of her powers. Her reputation goes before her, everybody know her. She has at least one of the guys in tow as her regular beau or boyfriend, and bestows her favours amongst a very select patronage.

But all is not quite as it seems. Age is slowly and subtly undermining her beauty, so more skill and care than ever is applied to the choice of clothes, and to the make-up ritual. She is now a creature of the night, and heavy drinking and smoking have taken their cruel and inevitable toll. As she watches a younger generation blossoming around her, she feels the first cold draught of competition.

To keep up the pace she needs some assistance. And if alcohol and nicotine don't hit the spot, there's narcotics. She enters the shadowy world of artificial stimulants, and starts popping Ecstasy. Or worse.

The Aging Femme Fatale.

The figure has filled out, the face is becoming taught and drawn, the hair has lost its lustre. She's keenly aware that she's no longer the svelte beauty of her youth, and sees the youngsters edging her out of the limelight. But she's still attractive; and in the half-light of the bar, from the right angle, can still make heads turn.

The make-up is now artfully applied to hide the telltale signs of aging; coloured eye shadow, dark eyebrow liner, artificial eyelashes, are the order of the day. Her hair is now worn long, down to the waist even, and she wears glitzy short dresses that enhance the rounder figure.

But what she lacks in beauty, she makes up for in experience. She knows all the tricks (and most of the guys), so she adapts. After so long in the demi-monde of Blok M she speaks passable English, has a fund of knowledge and experience, and enjoys drinking and chatting with the guys who appreciate good company.

Like a mother hen, she takes some of the more vulnerable youngsters under her wing and guides them through their initiation into Blok life. She takes vicarious pleasure in their little joys and triumphs, and has saved many a fledgling from emotional disaster.

The Derelict.

Last scene of all, she's now a blown rose whose beauty has withered. The body and the features have a saggy coarseness that no sexy dress, no amount of make-up, can hide. She puts on a brave face and, like the old trooper that she is, still slips quietly into the bar and sits, unobtrusively, watching the pageant with graceful nostalgia. She'll chat with the other old girls of her generation, nursing a drink and whiling away the hours in amiable conversation.

She has a bevy of youngsters under her tutelage, to whom she plays the role of surrogate mother and, very often, of mamasan. She'll fix up the new or inexperienced guys with a partner, in return for a drink or a bit of taxi money.

Until one day she no longer appears in the bar, and after a few nights is no more than a fading memory. ".

Awesome Questner. Thanks for sharing.

For some reason, that makes me think of Frida from Top Gun. I saw her go through each phase other than the last one. She's still hot and working BATS these days.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2242711]Awesome Questner. Thanks for sharing.

For some reason, that makes me think of Frida from Top Gun. I saw her go through each phase other than the last one. She's still hot and working BATS these days.[/QUOTE]Wonder if that is the same Frida I met in Top Gun in 2010. It's amazing how the "name" of certain girls stick in your head. Claimed to be a hairdresser and looked way out of place in TG compared to the rest of the crowd there.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2242540]Somehow I don't seem to get through to people when I tell about my experiences in Asia (Bangkok and Jakarta).

They are bad, very bad. Prices are enormous, beauty is average and service level is terrible.

No, I did not go upstairs to pay 800.000. I paid 800.000 downstairs. I stated that very clearly and I don't see why you turn that around.

The only explanation I can think of is that you simply cannot accept that Bangkok and Jakarta stink for sex. They cannot in any way compete with Europe.

So don't waste your time and money. I won't, for sure.[/QUOTE]Yesterday I went to classic 2nd floor. We paid below 400 thousand only.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2242879]Wonder if that is the same Frida I met in Top Gun in 2010. It's amazing how the "name" of certain girls stick in your head. Claimed to be a hairdresser and looked way out of place in TG compared to the rest of the crowd there.[/QUOTE]Very likely the same. I first met her around 2006 and she was new on the blok then and wore jeans shorts and a t-shirt. But by 2010, she used to wear very fancy dresses. You can find her at BATS almost every night these days.

Yesterday I was at Hotel Classic. Had a great time. The first girl I slept with spoke unusually good English. We ended up talking more than having sex, though we did that too. She was highly analytical, like prostitution scientist. She used to work and Malioboro but says she prefers Classic. At malioboro she would typically have 2 customers per night, at Classic it could +/- 7. At malioboro the fixed price is higher, but that is evened out by the larger number of customers at classic, and since the tipping is similar, she ends up making much more at classic. She was adamant that she would like to have a minimum of 10 customers a day when she can. Mainly because of the money, but also for the sex. In addition, she only gets paid by the mamasan once very two months, so it is the tip she and her family live on from day to day and therefore she needs to keep it flowing. If she didn't have a customer at malioboro one night she might not have enough money for food. She said it was also boring there with a lot of waiting. Evidently, she likes action.

She also explained the complicated shift system at Classic. Shift 1 works from 3 pm to 3 am. Shift 2 works from 6 pm to 3 am. They have different numbers of days off and vary between being on one shift or the other. In sum, it is probably good to turn up at 3 pm or 6 pm.

My favorite mamasan remembered my name and even the name of my preferred girl (which I had long forgotten about). That girl wasn't around, so she selected another a girl with an incredible body for me (Eli). 19 years old, petite, super skinny (42 k), naturally almost hairless pussy and big, super-firm breasts. Not such a pretty face, but I don't care so much about that. A little too tight for serious intercourse, French kissing but not really DFK and moved the tongue to fast (I. E. Probably never had a proper boyfriend), but rimmed me on her own initiative. That's good enough for me: I will be back.

Tonight I shifted to Hotel Travel. I have always been skeptical of the place, pretty girls but horrible system, unpleasant mamasans and lousy performance in the room. But last time I went there I had a surprisingly nice experience so I thought I would give it a try again today. Everything was back to the low standards of the past. I slept with two girls, one ok including reasonable English, the other awful (terrible upsell). I went back to my table near the dancefloor hoping to find a nicer girl, but while I was sitting there I suddenly realized there were two policemen in fancy uniforms making their way kind of in my direction. I had a half bitten-off tablet of apcalis (generic cialis) in my pocket without any packaging, which they would surely have taken for some drug if they were to search me. So the first thing I did was to get it out and drop it on the floor. Next, I wondered better to sit still or to try to get out? I sat still for a half minute, then started moving calmly towards the exit. Looked at my cell phone while walking trying to seem really disinterested. Got around the corner of the bar and there were more police of different types. Seemed they were standing around a guy who looked pale and scared. But they didn't seem to be hindering other people from leaving, so I walked passed them settled my bill upon exiting, passed two more police at the door and walked out. Phew. I guess it was just a raid looking for someone specific or someone doing something specific.

Once outside I stopped in front of Hotel Travel and wondered what to do next. While standing there a fight broke out across the street. First two guys, then one walked away but the other started fighting with someone else. They seemed really angry and hateful. The police showed no sign of interest. It was around midnight.

First night in town, did not have a local SIM yet and decided to go somewhere familiar and where I knew I could easily get taxis and they would know where to go.

Having tried the other venues at Classic, I decided to try the spa based on recent reports here. When you walk in you get a wristband with your locker key, similar set up to Macau saunas. Aside from the spa facilities (sauna, hot tub, cold tub, treadmill and exercise bike), the process for selecting girls is actually quite similar to Hotel Travel or other levels, just without the smoke and loud music. Min charge was 100 K for the facilities, which is included if you select a girl.

It was a quiet night and I think only half a dozen other customers were around (weeknight). Received a lineup, where one of the several mms called over all the girls lazing around on the couch on their phones. Some did not respond to the call, including the one I had my eye on. Had her brought over as well. The funny part is the mms using her phone flashlight and shining it into the girls faces. I don't think they liked that but it was helpful. Was quoted 900 K for most of the girls, and there were a couple who were 1. 1 m. Not sure why they were 1. 1 m, I couldn't see any obvious difference in quality though one of them was very cute and had a nice body.

Overall, I would say the quality of the girls at the spa is a definite step above the other levels, but is it worth 2 x the cost? Maybe if you count the nicer facilities, rooms, and environment. Maybe 2-3 very cute ones, another 5-6 cute and doable, and the remaining 5 not my type or too chubby for me. All had large racks.

The girl I selected was one I had to ask to be brought over. For me she was a stunner, 19 or 20 yo, slim and natural be+/ Cs. She didn't speak any English, but it wouldn't make a difference to the experience later. She suggested Google Translate which worked for our purposes. The room facilities were definitely nicer than Malio or other rooms in Classic, but I have found most rooms to be of acceptable condition (the only place where I really felt dirty was in one of the X houses in Bali, but what do you expect for 250 K?

Warmed her up with DATY and boy did she have a body to die for. Not even a touch of baby fat, with nice natural firm boobs. Very cute face as well, model-type. What surprised me a bit was once we got into things, she went aggressively into DFK unprompted. She then also did a very nice BBBJ, and the sex was as expected after all that-- one of my top experiences in Jakarta. Previous experiences at Classic were just "OK". This was pretty great. Afterward, enjoyed the spa facilities for a short while; in the future I might come earlier so I can spend more time relaxing in the sauna and hot tub. Total damage including CC fee: 934K + 150K tip to the girl directly.

The next night, decided to venture farther, to Starmoon, also because of a recent positive report. I know Smoothy says it doesn't get much dirtier than Starmoon, but I don't think it was any worse than Classic's other levels. I didn't check out any other places around here, just went straight in. I was one of three customers in the whole place, it was much smokier and MUCH LOUDER. I will have to bring earplugs next time, I was actually worried about hearing loss as there are speakers on full blast just 1 meter away no matter where you sit (it's a tiny room). Here, instead of couches, it's a fishbowl setup, so you're sitting in a small bar area like in Classic's 2nd level, and looking at a fishbowl.

Quality here was pretty good, but only 1-2 stunners for me. I selected another slim girl with a huge rack. I remember thinking, those can't be real, but I'm going to find out. She had a face similar to an Asian Audrey Hepburn. Once again, no English, which seems to freak the girls out, but Google Translate to the rescue!

Took a bit to warm her up in the room, which was definitely on the lower end of things, but still acceptable. Lighting was terrible though. It was either full on which the girls hate, or ultra-dim. This girl either came or almost came during DATY and was very very sensitive-- and was either having a blast or a very good actress. Lots of moaning and again, a surprise to me-- aggressive DFK. I don't know if it's just luck of the draw, or if they are trained here and at Classic Spa to do that, it's beyond what I would expect for GFE almost. 69, cowgirl, doggy. I couldn't hold too long, almost came during her BBBJ, and only lasted two positions before busting.

After everything, I still don't know if they were real or fake, but I think real based on how they looked when she was on her back. Great body and very good attitude. Another excellent experience, perhaps even surpassing Classic Spa. Total damage: 388K + 35K beer + 100K tip.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2239618]That would be a fairly good experience with one of those girls, but basically the norm. It's amazing how they turn to complete crap when they get to your place and are not under the control of the mamasans. The last time I tried it, I took a girl I had been with many times and had a great time with her every time that I took her upstairs at the bar. But when I took her to my hotel, I had a crap shag with the girl when we first arrived, then she kept wanting to smoke cigarettes. I was staying at the JW Marriott in a non smoking room, so it was a real inconvenience to go downstairs so she could smoke. She hassled me when I wanted a second shag saying "later, later" and was a royal pain in the ass. I ended up sending her back to her bar after being with her less than 2 hours and never repeated with her again.[/QUOTE]I had a different experience with a girl from Emporium, where it was even better at the hotel. However, I did not BO directly from the venue, instead she met me on her day off / off hours and came to my hotel herself. Also ended up giving her 1 mm which she was very happy with, no matter what % she gets paid at the venue I'm sure this is more. Maybe if the girl is willing to meet you on her off time then it would be different?

Are the girls at Starmoon / Malio Bar etc really working there 7/ days a week without a break? One girl told me she lives in a boarding house with the mms and is monitored closely, but I think she also gets one day off a week?

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2243995]I had a different experience with a girl from Emporium, where it was even better at the hotel. However, I did not BO directly from the venue, instead she met me on her day off / off hours and came to my hotel herself. Also ended up giving her 1 mm which she was very happy with, no matter what % she gets paid at the venue I'm sure this is more. Maybe if the girl is willing to meet you on her off time then it would be different?

Are the girls at Starmoon / Malio Bar etc really working there 7/ days a week without a break? One girl told me she lives in a boarding house with the mms and is monitored closely, but I think she also gets one day off a week?[/QUOTE]That's a totally different situation. That's also why I like going to Kings Cross. The girls will meet you after work or on their days off and they are great fun coming to your place. You don't need to pay a bar fine for them and they don't want any more than the price of one session at Kings Cross. Starmoon girls are basically sex slaves and totally controlled. They will never meet you outside of work. As OS said, they aren't even available for booking out from that place. The mafia type of control they have on those girls is a good reason to avoid the place overall.

Your starmoon girl had natural tits, there's no need to even thing twice about it. There will never be a girl there with silicone. They are fresh out of the village and are too poor and dumb to be exposed to that type of thing yet. This is Indonesia, not Thailand. I would guess that around .01% of the girls in Indonesia have silicone boobs. The ones who do are able to speak English and have been around the game for years. They almost certainly would have had to travel outside Indonesia to get that surgery.

If you want a nice room, go to the new sariayu next door to starmoon. They are as nice as the ones at classic.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2244039]That's a totally different situation. That's also why I like going to Kings Cross. The girls will meet you after work or on their days off and they are great fun coming to your place. You don't need to pay a bar fine for them and they don't want any more than the price of one session at Kings Cross. Starmoon girls are basically sex slaves and totally controlled. They will never meet you outside of work. As OS said, they aren't even available for booking out from that place. The mafia type of control they have on those girls is a good reason to avoid the place overall.

Your starmoon girl had natural tits, there's no need to even thing twice about it. There will never be a girl there with silicone. They are fresh out of the village and are too poor and dumb to be exposed to that type of thing yet. This is Indonesia, not Thailand. I would guess that around .01% of the girls in Indonesia have silicone boobs. The ones who do are able to speak English and have been around the game for years. They almost certainly would have had to travel outside Indonesia to get that surgery.

If you want a nice room, go to the new sariayu next door to starmoon. They are as nice as the ones at classic.[/QUOTE]I will say that I have been very impressed with the quality of tits in Indonesia in general LOL.

It's unfortunate to hear about how Starmoon operates-- I assume Classic, Travel and Malio work similarly? Which places aside from Emporium and KC have girls who are working more freely? (And why is it so different? Why have the lockdown system? I hope it's not one of those situations where the girl has to work off a debt before she can leave). If so, then it's probably best to avoid those spots.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2244123] I hope it's not one of those situations where the girl has to work off a debt before she can leave. [/QUOTE]That's exactly what it is.

Selected this hotel in North Jakarta due to it's low cost, relative ease of access from the airport, and not least in-house spa with 'additional benefits'.

Arrived at Jakarta airport about 11 pm after a long indirect flight from Europe. The flight was on time and a generous transit time in KL provided the opportunity to have a shower, a meal and a couple of beers. Airport was very quiet at that time. I had no checked-in luggage to queue for, and immigration (visa on arrival) and customs was a breeze. Into a bluebird taxi and was in the hotel by about midnight. A quick shower and change, and I was good to go. The in-house spa closes at 11 pm, so unfortunately I was too late for that.

I took a look outside the hotel and walked about 10 minutes in each direction, but there was not much sign of life. Also, there were remarkably few passing taxis. So I went back to the hotel, and took the lift up to the 5th floor, in which the karaoke club was located. The club seemed to consist of an almost deserted bar, and a couple of dimly lit corridors off which there were a number of doors to private rooms, behind which karaoke proceedings were in full and noisy flow. Since I could earlier hear the music on the fifth floor from my room on the seventh floor, the noise levels in the rooms themselves must have been unbearable.

So I headed back to the bar area. There were a couple of members of staff there, one apparently the barman and the other one, who spoke some English, turned out to the karaoke 'captain'. I sat down on a stool or tall chair at one end of the bar, and ordered a beer. Sitting about half way down the bar, was a girl who I took to be the sole other customer. She appeared to be in her early thirties. Not quite my type. Not quite chubby but unfortunately not slim either. But it did not look as if there was going be any other action in the vicinity so I decided that I may as well adapt to the situation. She looked over a couple of times, smiling, and I smiled back. The captain told me that the girl was a karaoke singer who had finished for the night and, one way or another, she ended up on an adjacent stool.

We chatted for quite a while, the usual sort of stuff and after another beer or possibly two we got to the sharp end of the conversation, and she agreed to join me in my room for the night. Can't remember the agreed price but, as I was not in a great bargaining position, probably 1 Jt or so. Had there been some choice, I would have not have picked her but to her credit she was very bubbly and seemed genuinely friendly. I gave her my room number, paid the bard bill and went back to my room alone, as she had indicated that she would not or could not come directly with me. After about 10-15 minutes, just as I was wondering if she was going to turn up, there was a knock at the door. And 10 about minutes after that we were showered and getting down to the action.

She was indeed carrying a few extra pounds, but not excessively so. Her friendly attitude in the bar room certainly carried though to a friendly attitude in the bed room. There was immediate and enthusiastic DKF. BBDJ, DATY and extended 69 followed. Basically, she provided a complete GFE. After a while, she asked if I had a condom, which of course I did. After capping, she got on top and enthusiastically rode me. This was followed by a few other positions. However after a while I began to lose my hard-on. Don't know the cause but perhaps the body type had something to do with it. Anyway I removed the condom to receive some more stimulatory BBBJ, and oral actives including more 69 followed. Hard-on fully recovered, to my surprise she went to go WOT again, but this time without a condom. I declined and we continued to DFK and so on, with her still on top. However after while she again went to insert my condom-less dick, and this time I just could not resist the temptation, stupid though that may have been.

With a mixture of down thrusts from her and upthrusts from me, combined with continued enthusiastic DFK, I soon came hard inside her. A further shower and cleanup, and back to bed. When I woke, she was still in bed but this time fully dressed. She must have woken early morning and got ready to go. I paid her the agreed amount, which was gratefully received, and took her number, although I knew that I would not call her again, before she left.

My karaoke girl having departed, I showered and tidied up the room and my belongings. After a bit, I went down for breakfast, and who was there but my overnight guest. We smiled but sat at separate tables and after a while she left. Off to meet a friend, she said. Got some cash from the ATM, and took a short walk around the neighborhood, which was not much better in daylight. After 11 am, the official opening time, I went looking for the spa. Turned out that there is a separate entrance at the far end of the hotel building so that non-resident patrons can avoid entering the hotel itself. But I also found that the spa is also accessible by a separate lift at the far end of the hotel, so that residents don't have to exit.

It was my first time at such an Indonesian establishment, so despite reading previous reports I was unsure of the drill. At the spa reception, the lady receptionist asked which type of massage room I wanted, and I went for the better level. VIP or similar. She also asked whether I wanted full service or not, and I replied yes. She gave me a wristband and I entered the spa area itself. There was only one other person in the locker room. Put my stuff in the locker, having brought a only small amount of cash and having left my wallet in the room safe. Donned the supplied loose shorts and with my robe headed into the main spa area. Relaxed in the large hot pool for a while. Only one other occupant, and then only for part of the time. Used the steam room (rather cool for my taste) and I think also the sauna for a while. No other occupants.

Headed to the lounge area which had about ten or so other occupants, all Asian, spread out over the fairly spacious area. Got the impression that at least some were Korean, but was not able to confirm. Had a cool drink and aimlessly watched one of the TV screens showing local news. A little later, a pleasant looking young member of staff came over. She gave me a choice of the type of massage girl, but I was not given a choice of the individual girl. The choices were larger with boobs or slim with smaller boobs, and I went for the latter. Shortly after, I was led to the massage room area. The girl certainly met my hopes. Slim and cute, aged about 20.

The massage room was quite compact, but spacious enough. Shower in one corner, no toilet. Massage area was a raised platform, with mirrors on three sides. Possibly also a mirror on the ceiling. The room was certainly very clean and quite new, so overall it was pretty nice, with a sort of Japanese vibe. Got naked, face down, and the massage started. Girl remain clothed throughout the massage, unfortunately. The massage itself was, although a little 'light', was definitely a worthwhile and pleasant experience, especially after a long flight the previous day. Duration was probably near an hour.

Did not get much if any teasing of the crown jewels, which would have been nice. For the main event, the girl got naked, and by my standards her body rating was high. About an 8. Face was about a 7. Started with a leisurely BBBJ. There was some LFK. May have been some DATY, don't recall. On with the cap, and the girl started off on top. Some (fake?) moaning. It was the first time that I had a mirror experience in that sort of situation, and it was thoroughly enjoyable. Switched to mish. Some more moaning. Perhaps more real this time. Although I'd rate the girl's attitude probably only about a 5 or 6 at most, the combination of the really hot body, cute face, the massage and the mirrors had me really fired up and I came in the cover pretty quickly.

After cleaning up and showering again, the girl "demanded" 500 k, whether as a tip or whatever, I don't know. I would not have minded giving a tip of 100 k or 200 k. That's why I had brought a limited amount of cash to the locker. But since I understood that I was paying the spa for a full service, 500 k was simply far too much. So I refused to pay anything at all. Back to the changing room, got dressed, and to reception. I explained that I had left my wallet in my room, so a male member of staff escorted me to the room and then back to the spa reception. I don't recall exactly how the situation was resolved, but the net result was that I paid a grand total of 750 k to the spa. How much of that the girl received, I have no idea.

The 750 k seemed to me rather more than the price list displayed at reception. I should have taken a photo of it but did not want to appear confrontational, especially as this was my first experience in this sort of environment, and I may well have misunderstood something. If the local experts would like to point out where I went wrong, I'd be glad of their advice. And after all, less than 40 or about $50 was, by western standards at least, outstandingly good value, so I had no complaints on that score. Would I return? Personally I would not, as if I wanted another spa-type experience I'd try some alternative establishments. But I certainly would not discourage others from trying this one.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2244160]That's exactly what it is.[/QUOTE]Do you have any tips on how we can tell what kind of situation the girls are in? On the one hand, wouldn't want to participate in demand. On the other hand, patronizing and tipping a girl would only help her.

Has anyone tried using Twitter for BO, as was discussed either here before or in the Bali forum?

I did a bit of searching and came across some promising looking (if the photos are real) options, but they all want a deposit of 400-500. To my knowledge, sending money digitally first = scam. But many advertise it right along with everything else in their tweets, so I don't know if it's just accepted here? How do we know the girl will be the ones in the photos and actually show up?

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2244925]Has anyone tried using Twitter for BO, as was discussed either here before or in the Bali forum?

I did a bit of searching and came across some promising looking (if the photos are real) options, but they all want a deposit of 400-500. To my knowledge, sending money digitally first = scam. But many advertise it right along with everything else in their tweets, so I don't know if it's just accepted here? How do we know the girl will be the ones in the photos and actually show up?[/QUOTE]DPs are generally intended to prevent broke freeloaders or unknown new customers wasting the girls time. A small percentage are a scan but they are a normal part of transactions amongst Indonesians.

I would be surprised if a "rich" foreigner was held to one after he had proven his intent and that he was actually in Bali or where ever the girl is. I certainly wouldn't pay one.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2244919]Do you have any tips on how we can tell what kind of situation the girls are in? On the one hand, wouldn't want to participate in demand. On the other hand, patronizing and tipping a girl would only help her.[/QUOTE]Look at the power balance.

If she is a freelancer who can work where, when and with whom she wants then it's likely her choice (all be it driven by poverty and lack of options).

If she is young, must go with whom ever she is directed to, confined to quarters and the boss is heavily connected, then she has some form of bondage.

With effective grooming, even older girls who have been working several years, are forced by societal, family or economic pressures to keep working. A 22 yo single mom with no education and a known work history of being on he game doesn't have a lot of options so keeps working at the only job she knows that will provide an income.

I'm no bleeding heart but it can be a dirty game sometimes.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2242606]You must have visited a different Asia than I visited, and perhaps your Europe is different from the one I have been visiting since 1978. Last time I was in Europe was three years ago. I had experiences from freelance provider in Berlin (the low-cost mongering capital of Western Europe) at just under 100 Euros for an hour. And that was the low end of the price range, not the average. Since then I had some very good service in the downscale X-house of Sanur for 300 k (17 Euros), which I told was paying too much.
I think the reason you "don't seem to get through to people" is because your story isn't plausible to any one who has actually punted around on various continents. In other words, they don't believe you, and neither do I.[/QUOTE]Just wondering whether it is worth the time and effort to respond to this. What actually happens is that people respond in a way to just stick to their own ideas. This is another one. The phrase "not get through to people" was a response to somebody that willingly misstated the floor in Classic I went to. Now you use it in a different way. Not very useful. It doesn't matter how much you monger or on how many continents. It's your MO that is important. You refer to the cheap mongering you do. I wouldn't do that. Stories about cheap Berlin and cheap Sanur don't thrill me very much. I have been to Berlin very often, seen the cheap options but I will never pick them. I simply want a beautiful girl with a good service. They are available in Europe. In SC land you pay around 100 euro per hour. In RLD you pay double, so I stay half an hour. I haven't seen these options in Asia, so far. The biggest difference is the number of clients. In Europe a girl must have 2 to 3 clients per day to just break even. Some days girls in Berlin (Artemis) work at a loss. In Bangkok and in Jakarta the ratio girls to men is not very favourable for them. Hence they don't get much practice. That shows especially in the blowjob. Asian blowjobs often are awful. They might compensate with kissing but quite often they don't kiss all that much. Maybe that changes if she is your regular girl but I don't like to have regular girls. The most disappointing part is the way the girls work towards the end of a session. The Asians hurry towards the end. I never got to 90 minutes. If I don't come after 20 to 30 minutes they start complaining. If any girl in SC land or Amsterdam would do a thing like that (after 30% of the time we both agreed upon) they would loose their clientele entirely. SC girls will most likely be sent away. Intimate is not all that different but I never got an Asian girl to do a squatted cowgirl for more than 20 seconds. So my favourite position is not on the menu. Then you have a mirror situation provided by the Asian men. They appear in the SC land and ruin everything. Suddenly girls only have to look at those men and they already get light in their head. Service level drops immensely and girls compete in getting the shortest time in the room. The Asians are called the two-two-two. Two minutes, two inches, two hundred euro. That is what the Asian girls are used to and ready to give. It is horrible.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2243884]Yesterday I was at Hotel Classic. Had a great time. The first girl I slept with spoke unusually good English. We ended up talking more than having sex, though we did that too.[/QUOTE]I rather help myself and give the money to charity then talk to a girl for money. Sorry.

You tell that one girl was taking 7 men per night. That is awesome. She took all the men that I have seen there. Leaving the others with nothing, I presume. "Tell me lies. Tell me sweet little lies".

[QUOTE=Fmahwah;2243030]Yesterday I went to classic 2nd floor. We paid below 400 thousand only.[/QUOTE]Yes, that price is correct for the upper level. And I do admire you for getting a girl there. I could not even find one girl there that I wanted to even look at for more than 2 seconds.

This is my final note on it. I don't have any more to say.

Good day fellas!

I started a mongering guide for Jakarta. Initially, it will be in a Google Sheets format, later will populate "mapstr" app and invite members who have at least one well written Jakarta report.

To stay organized, I suggest that we discuss the details and info here, and I will be the one to keep updating the sheet and then mapstr.

The base file can be viewed here [URL]https://www.mediafire.com/file/ueznpo8rx2zwdc5/Mongering_Jakarta.xlsx/file[/URL].

Screenshot [URL]https://i.lensdump.com/i/ACq5nD.png[/URL].

Phases.

1. Gather more venues for column A (3 days).

2. Populate columns be to I (5 days).

3. Populate columns J to and (5 days).

4. Once you guys are happy with the results, we will move to the second sheet (escort & Call Girls).

This was supposed to be my own personal plan for my trip to Jakarta. Let me know if you think that it's a good idea to crowd-source it, or I shall keep it for myself? If the admin encourages such initiative, I hope he allows us to start a separate topic for it to keep the current reports page clean.

I'm a paid member, feel free to PM me your suggestions. I'll try to reply ASAP.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2245092]Just wondering whether it is worth the time and effort to respond to this. What actually happens is that people respond in a way to just stick to their own ideas. This is another one. The phrase "not get through to people" was a response to somebody that willingly misstated the floor in Classic I went to. [/QUOTE]The problem is your original post (below) was not clear. Ladies at the classic are available on 4 levels.

Classic Spa. Basement.

Classic bunker. Basement.

Classic Club. Ground floor.

Classic terminal 2 - 2nd floor.

Classic terminal 5 - 5th floor.

You just said "upstairs and downstairs" Can you see now why others were confused with where you said you went and what you were charged?

If you said exactly which levels you visited at the Classic, maybe you would have "got through" the first time.

Jakarta may not be the place for you but it is certainly the place for many others.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2240376]I was there a few days ago. The upper floor is awful. I was horny but that definitely ended after the 10th fat and ugly girl I saw. Had to pay 30.000 just to peak around. Came back the next day and tried downstairs. Mamasan directed me to a girl and I had learned that you don't mess with mamasans. So I took a 19 yr old in a room. She was mostly clinging to my body with no action whatsoever. Rather beautiful but very bad. Paid 800.000 to management. Before I got in I was explicitly told that if I did not take a girl I would have to pay 100.000. That would have been the better option.

Maybe German SC have spoilt me too much but for sex I won't go to Asia anymore.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2245049]DPs are generally intended to prevent broke freeloaders or unknown new customers wasting the girls time. A small percentage are a scan but they are a normal part of transactions amongst Indonesians.

I would be surprised if a "rich" foreigner was held to one after he had proven his intent and that he was actually in Bali or where ever the girl is. I certainly wouldn't pay one.[/QUOTE]This is true. And the reason for it is there are so many lying scum bag locals who will promise to pay the girl but will not pay her if they can get away with it. They fuck the girl, then refuse to give them anything if they had not paid up front.

The girls usually will not demand a deposit from a westerner since westerners normally have the ethical upbringing to stick to their word, but will many times the girls will ask locals or Indians for a deposit.

I would never pay a deposit though. If they ask for it, I move on.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2245092]
You tell that one girl was taking 7 men per night. [/QUOTE]7 men per day is likely about the average for a girl working at Classic. The best looking girls will go with more and even the ugly ones get at least 3 a night.

[QUOTE=MaxAircon;2244218]
I took a look outside the hotel and walked about 10 minutes in each direction, but there was not much sign of life.[/QUOTE]You couldn't pick much worse of a hotel if you enjoy walking. LOL. That area is horrendous. Then again, almost all of the areas that have brothels and sex massage places are crap holes. If you want to stay in a decent hotel where you can actually walk around, it would be a good distance from the brothel areas.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2245092] Asian blowjobs often are awful.[/QUOTE]Not exactly. Anyone remember the Bali Hai? LOL. The golden age of blowjobs. It's a hotel nowadays, so if you missed it, you missed it.

A beer and a blow job, in the middle of the bar, by a flock of hungry birds. "Mau minum kamu" (I want to drink you) Sure honey, I drink my beer and you drink me.

Ah, the good old days. Better than the digitial age, let me tell you, try to find that on Twitter. LOL.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;2245312]Not exactly. Anyone remember the Bali Hai? LOL. The golden age of blowjobs. It's a hotel nowadays, so if you missed it, you missed it.

A beer and a blow job, in the middle of the bar, by a flock of hungry birds. "Mau minum kamu" (I want to drink you) Sure honey, I drink my beer and you drink me.

Ah, the good old days. Better than the digitial age, let me tell you, try to find that on Twitter. LOL.[/QUOTE]Aaah the memories.

I was in there with a wingman when his girl asked if I wanted to meet her brother. WTF, why would I want to meet your brother. Despite my protests she ran off. To our surprise, she returned with a scorching hot Chica. "Meet my brother, Ayu. ".

My buddy and I both had a laugh at this. "You're her brother?" Both were adamant that that was the case.

"he" turned out to be great fun and a wild night. For the next few days they insisted they were brother and sister and refused to be called sisters.

This was my introduction to Bahasa being essentially genderless and Indonesians frequently mixing up s / he, his / hers etc.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2245092]In Bangkok and in Jakarta the ratio girls to men is not very favourable for them. Hence they don't get much practice. That shows especially in the blowjob. Asian blowjobs often are awful. They might compensate with kissing but quite often they don't kiss all that much. Maybe that changes if she is your regular girl but I don't like to have regular girls. The most disappointing part is the way the girls work towards the end of a session. The Asians hurry towards the end. I never got to 90 minutes. If I don't come after 20 to 30 minutes they start complaining. If any girl in SC land or Amsterdam would do a thing like that (after 30% of the time we both agreed upon) they would loose their clientele entirely. SC girls will most likely be sent away. Intimate is not all that different but I never got an Asian girl to do a squatted cowgirl for more than 20 seconds. So my favourite position is not on the menu. Then you have a mirror situation provided by the Asian men. They appear in the SC land and ruin everything. Suddenly girls only have to look at those men and they already get light in their head. Service level drops immensely and girls compete in getting the shortest time in the room. The Asians are called the two-two-two. Two minutes, two inches, two hundred euro. That is what the Asian girls are used to and ready to give. It is horrible.

>snip<

Yes, that price is correct for the upper level. And I do admire you for getting a girl there. I could not even find one girl there that I wanted to even look at for more than 2 seconds.

This is my final note on it. I don't have any more to say.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure where the disconnect is for your experiences and your expectations. While I don't frequent Europe as much as Asia, I have been to a good number of SC, and I would say the ratio of stunners is similar to Asia in these sort of establishments. Service-wise, I've gotten very similar experiences, and as an Asian who was raised in the west, I don't believe I fall into the 2-2-2 crowd (have never paid 200 EUR in a SC), and I certainly go longer than 2 minutes. But I find that 15-20 is enough for me.

I would say places like Macau, VN, Indonesia, Thailand, China, the experiences I've had have certainly been more memorable than the SCs where there is typically a very cold, mercenary feeling. Sure, girls everywhere are mercenary (even non-pro, I've found my most expensive experiences have been with civvies when you add up the wining and dining), but in Asia if you treat them well, there is a high chance they will reciprocate.

As for Classic upper levels, I wouldn't say I've seen stunners, but certainly 6's and 7's who are young and slim. I found one of the all-time stunners to my taste (face 8 body 9) in Classic Spa and another (Face 8. 5 body 9. 5) at Starmoon. Both were less than 1 jt. For 400 K if you get a 6 or 7, what more can you ask for? We're talking 25 EUR for probably what would be 50-60 EUR in a SC.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2245092]Just wondering whether it is worth the time and effort to respond to this. [/QUOTE]But, you did respond, with a rambling disjointed response that makes me (and likely others) even more skeptical. First you complain that Asia is too expensive and then you say "You refer to the cheap mongering you do. I wouldn't do that. Stories about cheap Berlin and cheap Sanur don't thrill me very much. " Hey, I'm not here to post thrilling stories, just to give field reports to other punters. In my case, I am not posting fiction.

Has anyone stayed in Mangaa Dua?

I'm thinking of booking at the Best Western Hotel there as I can get a good rate on Airbnb.

Trying to stay walking distance to Kohta Indah (my favorite spot form last trip.).

Best,

Auncle-V.

How to know of my post was rejected? I submitted one yesterday, but nothing appeared here.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2245331]another (Face 8. 5 body 9. 5) at Starmoon. [/QUOTE]I am guessing that's Banana Boi's favorite girl, Nanda (number 88). In my opinion, she's the only attractive girl in that place.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2245363]Has anyone stayed in Mangaa Dua?

I'm thinking of booking at the Best Western Hotel there as I can get a good rate on Airbnb.

Trying to stay walking distance to Kohta Indah (my favorite spot form last trip.).

Best,

Auncle-V.[/QUOTE]I had stayed in that area not too long ago at Novotel Jakarta Mangga Dua Square back while Alexis was still around. The hotel and surrounding mall and shops were dated and not as new as those you would get in Central Jakarta. At least the hotel rates were much cheaper.

I usually prefer to stay at Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni whenever I visit Jakarta. The hotel bedrooms and facilities are much newer. As a plus, it is very close to Malio Club which is just a walking distance across the street.

Had been a while since Johnny got some action (and by been a while I mean 3 days! So decided to venture out and try BFS. I must admit the photographer who has put up photos of girls on Instagram has done a brilliant job. Anyways, after an arduous 1 hour journey (stuck in traffic, in between thunderclaps and rain showers) I arrived at the place. For the un-initiated this is next to Taman Ang grek Mall. Had my eyes set on T 22 - girl named Elsa. I decided to stick to my choice upon arriving, never bothering to meet her and went straight to the room. She was sent about 5-7 minutes after I had occupied the room. The sweet sound of someone knocking on the door, dovetailed with my interpretation of how Elsa would look like (given her amazing pic on Instagram) both went out of the window the minute I opened the door. In comes a fat chick, rounded face, sure she was Elsa but sans the photoshop. I went through her that would put an F1 car to shame. Finished within 10 minutes and out. Here goes 700 k that I am never getting back. For those who get a hard on doing regression analysis:

1. Face - 6/10.

2. Body - 3/10 (round and curvy, at the wrong places!

3. Service - 4/10 (wasn't really interested, seemed more consumed in staring at the ceiling and hurrying through).

4. Repeat. Never.

Posting it for the brethren who wish to try BFS. This is one fish to stay away from.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2245249]Then again, almost all of the areas that have brothels and sex massage places are crap holes. If you want to stay in a decent hotel where you can actually walk around, it would be a good distance from the brothel areas.[/QUOTE]Too right! Lesson learnt.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2245552]I am guessing that's Banana Boi's favorite girl, Nanda (number 88). In my opinion, she's the only attractive girl in that place.[/QUOTE]Haha. BB has good tastes.

I 'm not really a big fan of the scene at Starmoon. Too much like indentured servitude. I liked the vibe at Royal and Grand LA much better. And I thought the girls were pretty much the same as looks.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2245589]I had stayed in that area not too long ago at Novotel Jakarta Mangga Dua Square back while Alexis was still around. The hotel and surrounding mall and shops were dated and not as new as those you would get in Central Jakarta. At least the hotel rates were much cheaper.

I usually prefer to stay at Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni whenever I visit Jakarta. The hotel bedrooms and facilities are much newer. As a plus, it is very close to Malio Club which is just a walking distance across the street.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I like Kohta Indah a bit better than Malio and would probably be going there daily. So staying walking distance seems like a good idea to me.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2245552]I am guessing that's Banana Boi's favorite girl, Nanda (number 88). In my opinion, she's the only attractive girl in that place.[/QUOTE]To my eyes, she was a standout. There were a few others that were possibles, but only 1-2 others. I was quite surprised to find a girl as attractive as her for that price point.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2245552]I am guessing that's Banana Boi's favorite girl, Nanda (number 88). In my opinion, she's the only attractive girl in that place.[/QUOTE]In a constantly changing lineup, who can you tell who would be the only attractive girl (by your definition of attractive)? You would really need to frequent that place often, and be completely familiar with the entire current lineup to make that assessment, wouldn't you? Were you there in the past few days? Also consider the most attractive girls in any brothel are going to be the most likely to be busy in the room with a client or off on an outcall "booking". Even when things are slow, there is a greater chance of the "only attractive girl" being unavailable. If you don't mind me asking, are you staying in Jakarta now?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2245738]Thanks. I like Kohta Indah a bit better than Malio [/QUOTE]I know I have already posted this many times in the past, but here it goes again for those who never saw the old posts. Those two places do not cater to the same market. Although I would visit either place in the daylight hours and be fine with them. I am averse to environments packed wall to wall with cigarette smoke. So I would not even consider going to kota indah at night because it's packed with low class locals who are smoking their lungs out and are high on drugs dancing around with lit cigarettes in their hand like idiots bumping into everyone. It's an uncomfortable environment there at night to say the least. Malio is more expensive and is a much nicer and upscale place. It charges a cover of over 10 usd, so those same locals who will hang out all night at a place like kota indah can't afford to get into Malio (they wouldn't be allowed to act like *******es there either). Malio may or may not have better looking girls than the other places on any given month, it's hit or miss. However, Malio is a place I will visit at night because it doesn't have those same low class locals ruining the environment. Kota Indah is mainly in competition with places like Hotel Classic, Hotel Travel, MTR2, etc. Shockingly, the rooms at Hotel Classic are actually almost as nice as the ones at Malioboro. I've always found that odd that they still charge under 400 k for Hotel Classic because the places with dirty old rooms like kota indah charge the same.

Then again, I rarely go to any brothel anyway. The times I go are when my local indo friends or someone new to town wants to go. My local western friends basically never want to go there. I actually prefer the free lance scene. It's so easy to match a girl on Tinder in Jakarta and meet up with her soon afterwards. But I actually prefer going to the bars and meeting girls. I went to CJs at the hotel Mulia last night. The talent level was great! I find it much more fun having a night out at a place like CJs and chatting up a girl in the bar then taking her to my place for fun rather than selecting a girl in a brothel and taking her upstairs for an hour after a local motorcycle taxi driver just filled her pussy with his cum the hour before. I consider the brothels up north to be pretty much an afternoon only option (get them before their pussy is full of cum) and basically mostly for the local Indos and Chinese. There are better options at night for Westerners.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2245092]J....... Asian blowjobs often are awful. ........ The Asians hurry towards the end. I never got to 90 minutes.

.[/QUOTE]The silliest generalizations I have read on my 15 years of monger boards. I say this not really to or for the poster, but for anyone who is reading the board who may be thinking of going to Jakarta, Bangkok, or anywhere else in Asia for the first time. This poster clearly is biased against Asian women, and clearly, their service reflects this antipathy.

[QUOTE=Psychman;2245945]The silliest generalizations I have read on my 15 years of monger boards. I say this not really to or for the poster, but for anyone who is reading the board who may be thinking of going to Jakarta, Bangkok, or anywhere else in Asia for the first time. This poster clearly is biased against Asian women, and clearly, their service reflects this antipathy.[/QUOTE]My thoughts exactly. The poster may have had one bad experience and is now stereotyping Asian women. I have had the complete opposite experience with Asian woman to what the poster reported.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2245944]I know I have already posted this many times in the past, but here it goes again for those who never saw the old posts. Those two places do not cater to the same market. Although I would visit either place in the daylight hours and be fine with them. I am averse to environments packed wall to wall with cigarette smoke. So I would not even consider going to kota indah at night because it's packed with low class locals who are smoking their lungs out and are high on drugs dancing around with lit cigarettes in their hand like idiots bumping into everyone. It's an uncomfortable environment there at night to say the least. Malio is more expensive and is a much nicer and upscale place. It charges a cover of over 10 usd, so those same locals who will hang out all night at a place like kota indah can't afford to get into Malio (they wouldn't be allowed to act like *******es there either). Malio may or may not have better looking girls than the other places on any given month, it's hit or miss. However, Malio is a place I will visit at night because it doesn't have those same low class locals ruining the environment. Kota Indah is mainly in competition with places like Hotel Classic, Hotel Travel, MTR2, etc. Shockingly, the rooms at Hotel Classic are actually almost as nice as the ones at Malioboro. I've always found that odd that they still charge under 400 k for Hotel Classic because the places with dirty old rooms like kota indah charge the same.

Then again, I rarely go to any brothel anyway. The times I go are when my local indo friends or someone new to town wants to go. My local western friends basically never want to go there. I actually prefer the free lance scene. It's so easy to match a girl on Tinder in Jakarta and meet up with her soon afterwards. But I actually prefer going to the bars and meeting girls. I went to CJs at the hotel Mulia last night. The talent level was great! I find it much more fun having a night out at a place like CJs and chatting up a girl in the bar then taking her to my place for fun rather than selecting a girl in a brothel and taking her upstairs for an hour after a local motorcycle taxi driver just filled her pussy with his cum the hour before. I consider the brothels up north to be pretty much an afternoon only option (get them before their pussy is full of cum) and basically mostly for the local Indos and Chinese. There are better options at night for Westerners.[/QUOTE]Thanks. It's always good to hear your perspective as someone who is a resident and knows his way around.

I like the CJs setup better too. Meet a girl. Have some drinks and laughs. Then take her home to bang the bejesus out of her. But from my very limited experience there (2 visits) I got the impression that this is where older (late 20's and 30's) ladies hang out and that the place catered to the older businessman crowd (kind of like Spasso or Oskar in BKK). The girls at Kohta Inda or Malio seemed a lot younger than what I saw at CJs.

I'd be happy to hear I was wrong as I too prefer the laid back approach to the slam bam on the clock experience at Kohta Indah. And I don't mind paying a few extra dollars to take my time and have a more fullfilling experience.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2245997]
I like the CJs setup better too. Meet a girl. Have some drinks and laughs. Then take her home to bang the bejesus out of her. But from my very limited experience there (2 visits) I got the impression that this is where older (late 20's and 30's) ladies hang out and that the place catered to the older businessman crowd (kind of like Spasso or Oskar in BKK). The girls at Kohta Inda or Malio seemed a lot younger than what I saw at CJs.[/QUOTE]Suffice it to say, most girls straight out of the village who have been sold to the mafia are younger than the free lance girls you will meet in 5 star hotel bars where they have already learned English and are clever enough to fend for themselves. That's the normal progression. Their parents sell the girls when they are still teenagers to the mafia who then take them to the brothels and sell them for a few years until they pay off their debt. After that, the girls will move to other similar positions in less controlled establishments since it's all they know. Once they have been around a while, they may try free lancing. The ones who are the most clever learn some English and they may end up at places like CJs and BATS. By that time they are around their mid 20's. Due to the lack of girls who are clever enough to reach that elite level, there are girls even pushing 40 years old who still go to the 5 star hotels. A few years ago, I suggested to a couple of girls who were 19 years old to try BATS. They were stunners who had worked at Malioboro previously but they spoke no English. Sadly, they both went home alone that night and did not return to BATS again. I have no doubt they were the hottest girls in the bar that night. They said guys lost interest in them when they found out they couldn't speak any English. And thus we know the reason why the girls in BATS are older. There is no demand there for young girls who cannot speak English.

If you want a free lancer who is not yet 20 years old like many of those brothel girls you are talking about, you are going to be hard pressed to find them. However, you can find girls around 20 years old at a place like Golden Crown. That's a night club where the girls are there to party. They are quite easy to pick up and have a great time with if you can speak Indonesian. If you can't speak Indonesian, they are still fairly easy to pick up if you find some way to communicate. Some of the University girls that go to Golden Crown can speak English and they are also easy to pick up. If you can find a University girl, they are my favorite because they will often recommend you to their other University friends as well and you get a good chain of meet-ups going that way.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2246056]

If you want a free lancer who is not yet 20 years old like many of those brothel girls you are talking about, you are going to be hard pressed to find them. However, you can find girls around 20 years old at a place like Golden Crown. That's a night club where the girls are there to party. They are quite easy to pick up and have a great time with if you can speak Indonesian. If you can't speak Indonesian, they are still fairly easy to pick up if you find some way to communicate. Some of the University girls that go to Golden Crown can speak English and they are also easy to pick up. If you can find a University girl, they are my favorite because they will often recommend you to their other University friends as well and you get a good chain of meet-ups going that way.[/QUOTE]This is where BlokM was great when it was in it prime.

Every night it had all manner of customers from over night businessmen straight off the plane to long term, Bahasa speaking residents.

These supported all ranges of girls: stunners looking for an early ST before CJs or BATS became busy, seasoned pro's or cousins fresh off the bus from the Kampung.

And the best thing was that it was all in one spot with the bars a short stumble away from each other.

Has anyone had any experiences with either a dancer in the bar downstairs or the lounge upstairs?

Was it worth it?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2246090]This is where BlokM was great when it was in it prime.

Every night it had all manner of customers from over night businessmen straight off the plane to long term, Bahasa speaking residents.

These supported all ranges of girls: stunners looking for an early ST before CJs or BATS became busy, seasoned pro's or cousins fresh off the bus from the Kampung.

And the best thing was that it was all in one spot with the bars a short stumble away from each other.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. Blok M had plenty of young girls and even though they couldn't speak any English at first, they learned to speak some English fairly quickly. I don't know of an environment like that in Jakarta anymore where the girls from the village start working a free lance area before working the brothels. And the big problem with night clubs like Golden Crown is that it doesn't even get started until around midnight.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2245944]I actually prefer the free lance scene. It's so easy to match a girl on Tinder in Jakarta and meet up with her soon afterwards. But I actually prefer going to the bars and meeting girls. I went to CJs at the hotel Mulia last night. The talent level was great! [/QUOTE]Granted, I haven't done the bar scene yet (BATS, CJs, etc) because I am cutting back on my drinking and sometimes I just want to get in and out vs a 1-2 hours hanging out, scoping, then negotiating. From RTFF I thought the bar scene tended to be more hardened girls, who are also older (like late 30's?) plus it'll be at least 700-800? Maybe I'll give it a try on my next trip.

As for the freelance scene, what are your tips for cutting down on the TTB (time to bed), LOL? For me at least, it generally takes at least a couple days of messaging, then arranging a time and place to meet (I haven't tried asking them to come directly to my hotel), etc. The part-timers won't always tell you up front their expectations, and I don't want to turn off civvies by suggesting they are a pro. Also I've found with the cost of transport, dinner and / or drinks, even coffee at a decent place, it ends up costing close to what Classic or Malio would be.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2246463]I haven't tried asking them to come directly to my hotel[/QUOTE]Why?

If you just want to "get in and out" without any ground work then you need someone with the same expectations, not someone who is looking for dinner and dancing.

If she is too shy to meet at your hotel, then she is unlikely to hop into bed at a moments notice.

I've found that being very direct I / scares off the girls who not want you are looking for, ii / makes your expectations very clear very early and iii / saves time.

Of course meeting for coffee or a meal widens the field but, as you rightly said, adds time, cost and dramas to the equation.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2245904]In a constantly changing lineup, who can you tell who would be the only attractive girl (by your definition of attractive)? You would really need to frequent that place often, and be completely familiar with the entire current lineup to make that assessment, wouldn't you? Were you there in the past few days? Also consider the most attractive girls in any brothel are going to be the most likely to be busy in the room with a client or off on an outcall "booking". Even when things are slow, there is a greater chance of the "only attractive girl" being unavailable. If you don't mind me asking, are you staying in Jakarta now?[/QUOTE]I'm not in Jakarta now but I have made over 30 visits to Starmoon in 2018. In all my visits Nanda 88 is the ONLY girl I thought was hot at Starmoon. Yes I am picky. Sure there are other girls I could have went with because the price point is so cheap but price is not the primary factor for me selecting a girl. If Nanda costed 2 or 3 million rupiah I would still go with her. She is a bit skinny for my preference but her face and happy personality make her irresistible for me.

3 quick questions.

(1) I'll be in Jakarta again soon this time staying near BATS and the World Trade Center. I really prefer point and shoot places (Grand LA, Hotel Classic / Travel, New Medika, King's Cross) so was wondering if there are any such bars like those in the area. Seeing the girl in person or seeing an ACCURATE recent photo are a must for me. Spas are ok.

(2) My buddy prefers a strip club / gogo bar atmosphere. Other than Malio are there other places where you can buy girls drinks and get a lap dance? He does not want to have sex with the girls. Just drink and grope them. Money is not a factor since it will be on the company's tab.

(3) Finally, I know this is a stretch but does anyone know if Chica still works at Grand LA or anywhere else? Every time I go there they tell me she is still there and even there that evening but I never see her.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2245944] I actually prefer the free lance scene. It's so easy to match a girl on Tinder in Jakarta and meet up with her soon afterwards. But I actually prefer going to the bars and meeting girls.[/QUOTE]I'm the opposite. My preference is short time in brothels / clubs. I don't live in Jakarta any more (that was many many years ago) and I don't feel comfortable bringing a girl back to my hotel room for many reasons. Sometimes in Jakarta I'm staying with friends so there's no chance of bringing one back then either.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2246547]Why?

If you just want to "get in and out" without any ground work then you need someone with the same expectations, not someone who is looking for dinner and dancing.

If she is too shy to meet at your hotel, then she is unlikely to hop into bed at a moments notice.

I've found that being very direct I / scares off the girls who not want you are looking for, ii / makes your expectations very clear very early and iii / saves time.

Of course meeting for coffee or a meal widens the field but, as you rightly said, adds time, cost and dramas to the equation.[/QUOTE]Well, sometimes all I want is in-and-out, other times I would like something more substantive. Girls at places like Hotel Travel etc either can't speak English, or the level of education is pretty low so all it's good for really is a ST. A handful of girls I've met online have been more engaging, educated, work office jobs or other as their main employment and the experience is totally different.

But you're right-- if I'm more direct and just ask them to come to my hotel then I'll know quickly what the girl is after also. I do find the discussion of money and such (like you'll find in Bali a lot "you want sex? Right off the bat to be a bit off-putting, maybe it's my own hang-ups and not wanting to feel like the animal many girls think we are. But that's a whole other discussion, haha.

My second evening at the Orchardz Industri Hotel grew near, and I knew that it did not make sense to rely on another chance encounter at the karaoke bar. Earlier, I had taken a long walk, including two circuits of the Kota Indah loop (Starmoon and others). I received a couple of invitation from the doorways, but although I did not find the area as sketchy as expected, I don't think that it's a good place for a solo, relatively inexperienced, bule with minimal Bahasa. I did actually see one other white foreign male, who looked as lost and out of place as I most probably did.

So after a rest and a freshen up, I took a bluebird down to Blok M. Even as the crow flies, that's about a 12 k trip, but it was quite late now, maybe midnight or so, and by that time most of the Jakarta traffic, apart from the central Thamrin area, is quite light. So it was probably less than 30 minutes. My body-clock had not yet adjusted, so the late hour meant little anyway. My expectations of the Blok were low. I had visited a couple of times on a previous trip, although probably mostly or all during the week, with results which could be described as mixed at beast. The first bar that I visited then was the famous but now almost deserted Top Gun, which must been only a few weeks before it was holstered for the last time. Although on the previous occasion I visited "all" five or so bars in the Blok, this time I stuck to two bars. MyBar and the's Place, which conveniently are only a few paces apart. My Bar is the one on the left, with the disco-type atmosphere, and the's Place is the one on the right, containing a small stage with four or so dancing girls, and which has more of a general bar type of atmosphere.

So on this Friday night I was pleasantly surprised by the lively atmosphere and quantity of girls, particularly in My Bar, where I ended up spending the majority of the time. Quality was better than previously, too. That time, it was difficult to find a single girl worth taking, and although I am quite selective, I am not excessively picky. Any girl who I would rate in terms of looks as six or above is worthy of consideration. This time, there were at least three who were definitely takeable, no doubt about it. I got talking to one of the three, surprise surprise. Told me she worked as a hairdresser, and came to the blok only at weekend. Certainly on my next visit, on a weekday, she was not there. Also got talking to the second of my personal 'top three' prospective companions for the night. She was cute, slim and petite, and an enthusiastic and excellent dancer. Told me she stayed in an area of South Jakarta which is only about 3 k from the blok, as the crow flies. I did not talk to the third of my top three, who was the prettiest although not as slim and petite as the others. In retrospect, I regretted that decision and if I saw her again, I would definitely make a move.

Anyway, the beers were flowing down and I was having a good time, but the clock was moving on. The hairdresser, who by this time I had spent a fair amount of time with, and bought some drinks for, and who I seemed destined to go with, started to get a bit impatient, which did not bode very well, action-wise. Soon it was nearing closing time, which I think is about 5 am on weekends. The really pretty girl had disappeared, the dancer girl seemed better left for a subsequent trip, and the hairdresser had becoming cloying and annoying. So, in a last-minute switch, I picked up an alternative slightly less cute girl but with seemingly better attitude, and headed out in the darkness and taxis. At that time, traffic was still very light, the trip back to north Jakarta was going very smoothly, and the taxi was only a couple of km from my hotel, when I saw a police roadblock up ahead. There were a couple of police cars, with it seemed about six or seven police, some uniformed and some plain clothes. The taxi was flagged down and I was asked for my passport. I knew about the obligation to carry it, but had forgotten and in any case preferred to leave it in the hotel safe. I got out of the taxi as requested, and a plain clothes man, who seemed to be in charge, asked me whether I knew about my ID obligations and what I had been doing that night while another guy, can't remember if uniformed or not, fished about in my front left trousers pocket. I was not too comfortable with that, but had little option. Anyway it held only a few totally innocuous items, so I had nothing to worry about on that score.

Although I had had quite a few beers, I had sobered up swiftly. I was completely cooperative, respectful and friendly throughout, and explained that I had been in some bars, had forgotten to carry my passport, and was on my way back to my nearby hotel, the address of which was on a couple of hotel cards that I was carrying. The policeman did not ask me about the girl, I guess he worked that out for himself. He asked for a donation or contribution, using some rather round-about wording, but leaving the underlying meaning perfectly clear. He was very polite throughout, but of course in a situation like that there is no doubt where the power lies. Thanks to the generous previous contributors on this thread and my extensive and indeed enjoyable RTFF, I knew the drill and swift complied, politely handing over 100 k, which is only £5 or $7.

Of course I would if necessary have gladly handed over the complete contents of my wallet, at that point probably down to about 500 k - 1 M, to avoid any escalation. I politely bid him good day, and got back into the taxi. The taxi driver and the girl, who I think simply been asked for their IDs, were clearly relieved that the episode was over. As one point, I had caught the briefest glimpse of the girl passing something small. Too small for me to see. To the driver, presumably for easier concealment at the front of the vehicle. When the trip resumed, I asked her what it was, but the mumbled response was not enlightening, so I left it there, as at that time I probably really did not want to know. If it was something illegal, I guess that the situation could well have taken an unpleasant and expensive turn for the worse, regardless of my innocence and whether I had been carrying my passport or not. Soon we were back at my hotel, at which point it was already daylight, so it must have been shortly after 5. 30 am.

To be continued shortly.

[QUOTE=MaxAircon;2247112]while another guy, can't remember if uniformed or not, fished about in my front left trousers pocket. I was not too comfortable with that, but had little option.[/QUOTE]You are the second person on this forum who has said the police searched their pockets. I find that so bizarre. I've never had them do that. Heck, I've never had them ask me to get out of the taxi. They just talk to me through the window. Passport was obviously not their concern, they were hoping to find some drugs on you.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2246571]
(1) I'll be in Jakarta again soon this time staying near BATS and the World Trade Center. I really prefer point and shoot places (Grand LA, Hotel Classic / Travel, New Medika, King's Cross) so was wondering if there are any such bars like those in the area. Seeing the girl in person or seeing an ACCURATE recent photo are a must for me. Spas are ok.
[/QUOTE]Only fortune massage is in that area. The next closest place is Malioboro.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2246571]
(2) My buddy prefers a strip club / gogo bar atmosphere. Other than Malio are there other places where you can buy girls drinks and get a lap dance? He does not want to have sex with the girls. Just drink and grope them. Money is not a factor since it will be on the company's tab.
[/QUOTE]I'm not a groper, but gropers usually like to go to karaoke where they can select a girl to sing and grope her the entire time she is singing. Other than that, D's place might be an option although the girls are not very hot there. Any place with dancers like hotel classic might be an option. Hotel Classic bunker has continuous dancers. Malio is by far the best choice for that kind of thing though.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2246571]
(3) Finally, I know this is a stretch but does anyone know if Chica still works at Grand LA or anywhere else? Every time I go there they tell me she is still there and even there that evening but I never see her.[/QUOTE]Is she number 53?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2247304]You are the second person on this forum who has said the police searched their pockets. I find that so bizarre. I've never had them do that. Heck, I've never had them ask me to get out of the taxi. They just talk to me through the window. Passport was obviously not their concern, they were hoping to find some drugs on you.[/QUOTE]They talked to me through the window first, but when I said that I had forgotten my passport I they told me to get out of the taxi. Had I been carrying the necessary ID, possibly it would not have gone any further. What was slightly strange is that they did not search my back pockets, one of which was empty and the other which contained my wallet. By the way, my age and appearance is not consistent with the profile of a 'typical' drug user, and for the record I would not touch drugs with a barge pole in Indonesia or anywhere else.

[QUOTE=MaxAircon;2247467]They talked to me through the window first, but when I said that I had forgotten my passport I they told me to get out of the taxi. [/QUOTE]I never carry my passport. It's basically always been the same routine. When they ask to see my passport, I hand them a scanned copy of my passport (which they will not accept). They then reply with "what is this? This is not your passport". They don't ask me to get out of the taxi, but they immediately go into their "I can help you" routine (meaning if I give them money, I can be on my way). I haven't had them ask me get out of the car. But I haven't been pulled over in a few years, maybe they are getting more handsy. Not a pleasant thought.

Regardless, giving them 100 k was perfectly fine and well done on your part to be on your way.

I have always thought this was a very corrupt thing, but lately I have taken a different view of it. I think we should start doing this in the USA as well. Force every person to carry their passport with them and do random searches. If they don't have the proper documents, arrest them. If they are discovered to be illegal immigrants who have either entered the country illegally or overstayed their visa, deport their ass and never allow them in the country again. That would help to get rid of the problem of people overstaying their visas. I am in Indonesia completely legally, so I wouldn't have anything to worry about other than being hassled.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2247711]I never carry my passport. It's basically always been the same routine. When they ask to see my passport, I hand them a scanned copy of my passport (which they will not accept).[/QUOTE]I make it even more brief. While handing the scanned copy of the passport I include red bill and say I help you, you help me. Usually gets things sorted in less than 10 seconds. At times when I have forgotten the passport copy, it can take a bit longer. Perhaps upto 10 minutes. And it is never more than 100 K in donation.

Never had to step out of the taxi. Ever.

I'll be in Jakarta again soon and I am wondering if there is a take out option in a place or Spa expect BATS and Mulino. In Alexis you could take out the girl but I don't know any other place where this option is possible.

Thanks in advance for pour answers!

[QUOTE=MaxAircon;2247467]They talked to me through the window first, but when I said that I had forgotten my passport I they told me to get out of the taxi. Had I been carrying the necessary ID, possibly it would not have gone any further. What was slightly strange is that they did not search my back pockets, one of which was empty and the other which contained my wallet. By the way, my age and appearance is not consistent with the profile of a 'typical' drug user, and for the record I would not touch drugs with a barge pole in Indonesia or anywhere else.[/QUOTE]When I was carrying the correct ID they wanted 10 million IDR.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2247321]Only fortune massage is in that area. The next closest place is Malioboro.

I'm not a groper, but gropers usually like to go to karaoke where they can select a girl to sing and grope her the entire time she is singing. Other than that, D's place might be an option although the girls are not very hot there. Any place with dancers like hotel classic might be an option. Hotel Classic bunker has continuous dancers. Malio is by far the best choice for that kind of thing though.

Is she number 53?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response, Smoothy.

No, #53 is Aulia. Chica is younger but not as pale skinned as #53. Unfortunately I can't recall her number. She has lots of tatoos IIRC.

Do you know any good karaoke bars with above average girls that don't cost an arm and a leg? My buddy may not have a budget but I certainly do.

I may have to revisit Blok M again and look for my short haired dancer. Maybe we'll hit Octagon karaoke too.

I arrived at the Classic hotel around 9:00 PM on a Friday evening recently and checked into the adjacent hotel. I was planning to stay 3 nights but ended up only staying for two.

I had just flown in from Singapore and felt a little weary so I though I would try for a massage in the basement. I spoke to a few of the security guards at the front door if the price of the massage included a happy ending and they confirmed it did so I went into the reception and attempted to book a massage for Rp350 K (90 minutes) The receptionist told me if I wanted "all in" the price was Rp800 K and it would be with a different lady but that did not include massage, it was just sex. I really wanted the massage so I took the massage with he included as told by the security guys.

I was taken into a locker room where I was given shorts, gown and plastic sandals. All my belongings were stored in a locker. I walked past some indoor pools and a sauna and into a lounge with bar where there were some guests and several ladies lounging about. I presumed these were the "all in" ladies.

The massage rooms were through the bar and out the back. I was shown into one and told to wait for the therapist.

She arrived shortly after and I stripped off and lay down. There was a shower and the room seemed quite comfortable.

The therapist gave me a decent massage front and back and at no time did she make direct contact with the crown jewels which I though was odd but decided to enjoy the massage anyway and just drift off into half sleep.

Once she finished the massage she asked me if I wanted "extra massage" She meant happy ending "he" and I said yes please. She then informed me that that was an extra and would cost Rp200 K or Rp300 K and she would remove her top while she did it. I told her that the he was included as several guys had told me prior to booking the massage. She said it was extra and said she would accept Rp100 K for the he. I had no where to go so I took the offer of Rp100 K. She was just plain looking so I didn't care about the top coming off.

After she finished I showered then walked through the lounge (it was closed at 11:00 PM) and returned to the change room and asked the guy in there if the he was normally included. He smiled but didn't confirm or deny.

When I went to pay at the end the receptionist said I have to include a cash payment tip for the therapist of Rp100 K (for the he) I said I shouldn't have to pay for that as the guys out the front said it was included but once again I got a stupid look. The guys out the front had disappeared at this time.

I felt I was stooged a little but I'm not complaining about the money. I would have normally tipped the therapist anyway.

I felt refreshed and it was still early for me so I headed up to the Terminal 2.

Follows on from post 13300 - A Visit to Blok M. And a Police Shakedown.

Into the room, shower, and into bed. My new friend's body was as slim and appealing as expected. However fatigue was catching up with both of us. We slept until nearly noon, then showered and dressed, and checked out. My next hotel was the Grand Kemang in South Jakarta, and my new friend was happy to accompany me. Up to this point, there has been some fooling around but no serious action so I was of course more than happy to take her. Arrived at Grand Kemang, which was a welcome step up from Orchardz. Into bed, then ordered a room-service meal and beers for a belated brunch. Afterwards I dozed off to sleep while she watched TV, until late in the afternoon. The action, when it came, was just rather standard stuff, forgettable, and not worth detailing here. Rather limited enthusiasm on her part and to be honest less than usual enthusiasm on mine. Afterward, I discretely slipped her the agreed amount, got her mobile number just in case, and walked her down to the hotel's front entrance. No fireworks then, but a perfectly agreeable twelve hours or so with her, most of the time naked, so well worth it in my view.

Later that evening, I took a walk around the neighbourhood, then headed to Eastern Promise bar, which I had read about in this forum. The establishment is quite large and comprises three bar areas plus a dining area, all with varying but mostly high noise and smokiness levels. It was definitely busy. The quietest and least smoky was the dining room, and since it was late and I was hungry I ordered a light meal and a beer. Service was surprisingly prompt, probably because of the late hour, and the meal was good enough. After dinner, ordered another beer and did another tour of the premises. Clientele was mixed locals and expats, with many of the latter. Most people were in couples or larger groups. But I saw few if any targets, and certainly none that were both unattached and sufficiently appealing.

Don't get me wrong, there were plenty of women there but most seemed to be accompanied, and the few others did not spark my interest. Even if they did, the general noise level would have made anything other than very basic introductory conversation difficult. In the large area towards the rear, most of the patrons seemed to have imbibed generous amounts of alcohol and were happily dancing to the deafening music of the band (or was it a DJ, or both, I don't recall). Stayed for another beer as the crowd thinned out a bit, but eventually went back to the hotel empty-handed. Could easily have taken a taxi back up to blok M, now only a couple of km away as the crow flies, but decided against it.

So, it was rather a bust, for me at least, and although I did a short repeat visit on the following evening, just in case I was unlucky the first time, the result was similar. Lively place, but I think best enjoyed in a group, especially if party-oriented, and not a great solo destination unless you have a level of game much better than mine. Unless, of course, I missed something.

Next report: coming to the Other Areas thread soon.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2247852]When I was carrying the correct ID they wanted 10 million IDR.[/QUOTE]You mentioned that before. And I believe that you really believe that, but doubt the reality of it.

As you can see by reports here, a normal police bribe would only be 100 k, sometimes 200 k.

What you say is, they asked for about 50 to 100 times the normal going rate?

That doesn't make sense. Something else must have been at play? Like a miscommunication or a misunderstanding, because their English (the police) is not very good and they picked up on the misunderstanding.

Or you became emotional, showed your anger and they saw your weakness as an opportunity to squeeze some extra money out.

It must have been something like that.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;2248752]You mentioned that before. And I believe that you really believe that, but doubt the reality of it.

As you can see by reports here, a normal police bribe would only be 100 k, sometimes 200 k.

What you say is, they asked for about 50 to 100 times the normal going rate?

That doesn't make sense. Something else must have been at play? Like a miscommunication or a misunderstanding, because their English (the police) is not very good and they picked up on the misunderstanding.

Or you became emotional, showed your anger and they saw your weakness as an opportunity to squeeze some extra money out.

It must have been something like that.[/QUOTE]Most people I have discussed this with don't seem to believe me. They begin probing with questions as though there must be more to the story, as if I must have done something to make the situation worse.

The only person who was aggressive was the main cop. I think if I became angry and aggressive it would have quickly escalated the situation.

He demanded 10 million. Spoke English fluent enough. No room for miscommunication.

The reality is Indonesian cops are corrupt.

I don't understand the need for Indonesians or expats to defend Indonesia's police.

[QUOTE=Kodja;2248422]I arrived at the Classic hotel around 9:00 PM on a Friday evening recently.[/QUOTE]Hi Kodja and other readers,

I'll be staying at Classic Hotel Nov 29. Did you happen to see any slim and busty girls there? Thanks for any replies.

Hi guys,

I have a few hours to kill before a mid-afternoon flight and am specifically looking for a good massage parlor that has busty girls. Any recommendations? Thanks.

[QUOTE=DCups;2249048]Hi guys,

I have a few hours to kill before a mid-afternoon flight and am specifically looking for a good massage parlor that has busty girls. Any recommendations? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hotel Orchardz right near the airport is probably your best bet. I have no idea which girls would be busty there though.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2248809]The reality is Indonesian cops are corrupt.
[/QUOTE]I think it's not even possible for non corrupt man to be a cop in Indonesia. They have to pay pretty big bribes just to get the position in the first place. They have to get that money back somehow.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2249192]I think it's not even possible for non corrupt man to be a cop in Indonesia. They have to pay pretty big bribes just to get the position in the first place. They have to get that money back somehow.[/QUOTE]And that is true in several countries around the world. Higher the position. More the money to be paid.

That said, 10 million is an absurd amount to demand in bribes for a street check.

Go at 6 PM they will show the line up in 2 bd floor and there won't be any crowd and you can choose in relaxed fashion over a beer.

[QUOTE=DCups;2249041]Hi Kodja and other readers,

I'll be staying at Classic Hotel Nov 29. Did you happen to see any slim and busty girls there? Thanks for any replies.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2249225]And that is true in several countries around the world. Higher the position. More the money to be paid.

That said, 10 million is an absurd amount to demand in bribes for a street check.[/QUOTE]I don't think it was a street check to make sure everyone had their documents in order.

They set up to extort someone.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2249192]I think it's not even possible for non corrupt man to be a cop in Indonesia. They have to pay pretty big bribes just to get the position in the first place. They have to get that money back somehow.[/QUOTE]I equate it to motor racing. You can get in with skill or by bringing along a big sponsor but very few progress without having a combination of both.

I've seen good cops moved out of the way for restricting a revenue stream and I've seen earners moved when a job actually had to be done.

As an aside the amount of money involved can be eye watering. Imagine having a piece of every hooker, stick of timber, palm oil and shabu that passes through a region. No wonder people are prepared to pay big bucks to be promoted.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2249524]As an aside the amount of money involved can be eye watering. Imagine having a piece of every hooker, stick of timber, palm oil and shabu that passes through a region. No wonder people are prepared to pay big bucks to be promoted.[/QUOTE]But we are talking different leagues here. The guys who stop your taxi near Merdeka Square for that 100 K are not the ones getting a cut of the drug trade. If you are in that trade you would not even [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on the street bribes.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2249661]But we are talking different leagues here. The guys who stop your taxi near Merdeka Square for that 100 K are not the ones getting a cut of the drug trade. If you are in that trade you would not even CodeWord=CodeWord on the street bribes.[/QUOTE]I agree that the scale and hands on involvement are totally different but the process is the same. I see no change between paying $100 to be promoted from opening gates and paying a million to be "policing" a major illegal timber or coal region.

My comment was more about the cost and income from senior positions than a direct comment on those doing the 100 k shakedowns.

Cheers, G.

[QUOTE=Kodja;2248422]

I spoke to a few of the security guards at the front door if the price of the massage included a happy ending and they confirmed it did so I went into the reception and attempted to book a massage for Rp350 K (90 minutes) The receptionist told me if I wanted "all in" the price was Rp800 K and it would be with a different lady but that did not include massage, it was just sex. I really wanted the massage so I took the massage with he included as told by the security guys.

I told her that the he was included as several guys had told me prior to booking the massage. She said it was extra and said she would accept Rp100 K for the he. I had no where to go so I took the offer of Rp100 K. She was just plain looking so I didn't care about the top coming off.

After she finished I showered then walked through the lounge (it was closed at 11:00 PM) and returned to the change room and asked the guy in there if the he was normally included. He smiled but didn't confirm or deny.

When I went to pay at the end the receptionist said I have to include a cash payment tip for the therapist of Rp100 K (for the he) I said I shouldn't have to pay for that as the guys out the front said it was included but once again I got a stupid look. The guys out the front had disappeared at this time.

I felt I was stooged a little but I'm not complaining about the money. I would have normally tipped the therapist anyway.

[/QUOTE]Herein lies your problem!. You did not ask enough people the important question of the happy ending.

When you need to know information in Indonesia and particularly with brothel security guards. You ask the same question to 10 or more people and then average the answers. It is important also when asking a question not to provide any leads to the answer or they will just say yes to whatever option you gave them. Example - "They have condoms for my extra large schlong in there don't they?" Yes! Will be the answer.

But if you ask "do they have extra large condoms for my giant schlong" they will recieve it as a question, think about it and respond with a yes or no. Then you may repeat the question to the next 10 people and you should get a good result.

Hope that helps.

OS.

First time in Jakarta, have read forums. 2 or 3 questions to all you legends here. Only there for a day over the coming weekend.

1. Any good escort agencies you recommend. Would need high end chicks, no bait and switch. DFK, CIM important.

Any good girls in BATs that are regulars. Have RTFF but what's a good rate to pay. Are better girls available here or through an agency?

3. Any other good massage places or in call massage services.

4. Tinder / similar reliability.

5. Top 1 or 2 5* girl friendly hotels?

Thanks in advance folks.

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[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2249732]Herein lies your problem!. You did not ask enough people the important question of the happy ending.

Hope that helps.

OS.[/QUOTE]Not really. I asked everyone that was there but I'll take your advice on board nevertheless. Thanks for the input.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2246056]However, you can find girls around 20 years old at a place like Golden Crown. That's a night club where the girls are there to party. They are quite easy to pick up and have a great time with if you can speak Indonesian. ........ Some of the University girls that go to Golden Crown can speak English and they are also easy to pick up....[/QUOTE]Hi Smoothy,

Just wondering if your info on Golden Crown (location Glodok Plaza?) is current. A couple of recent (May / June 2018) posts on Jakarta100 bars indicates that GC has been mostly shut down, with only a karaoke part remaining open. Unfortunately I am no longer on the ground in Jakarta be able to investigate in person. If so, any alternative suggestions would be appreciated for possible use in a future visit. Thank you.

Max.

Since when do the security guards know anything about prices?

My guess is that you paying 100 k more for the HJ is absolutely appropriate. The HJ is included in the hot stone massage at Delta if you want it to be included, but that massage is 900 k or 1 million for the "HJ inclusive" massage. I never even get the HJ when I do get that hot stone massage even though it's free. I have no interest in getting a hand job, I can do that myself at any time.

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[QUOTE=Smoothy;2250480]Since when do the security guards know anything about prices?[/QUOTE]Never said they did. I asked them if the massage included a happy ending and they said it did.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2250480]I have no interest in getting a hand job, I can do that myself at any time.[/QUOTE]Some of us prefer the happy ending after a massage. All my buddies do. I was not aware a happy ending was included with my first ever "Delta massage" many years ago. It was a surprise that was definitely a pleasant one then and I something I look forward to if I visit there again.

[QUOTE=MaxAircon;2250410]Hi Smoothy,

Just wondering if your info on Golden Crown (location Glodok Plaza?) is current. A couple of recent (May / June 2018) posts on Jakarta100 bars indicates that GC has been mostly shut down, with only a karaoke part remaining open. Unfortunately I am no longer on the ground in Jakarta be able to investigate in person. If so, any alternative suggestions would be appreciated for possible use in a future visit. Thank you.

Max.[/QUOTE]Good point, I haven't been there in quite a while so it's possible. I'll see if I can check into that. Surprising that place might possibly not be still in full force due to it's size and popularity. The places is huge and damn nice. Maybe Collosseum has taken it's business?

Twitter BO.

Today OS decided to take one for the team and try a twitter girl.

So commencing at 11 AM started by searching the BOjaktim tag (BO Jakarta East), which takes you to a whole selection of twitter girls of which you can click "latest " to see the most recent postings. That led OS on to the BO Bekasi tag where there were a number of girls had posted available. Many of them working from the Centerpoint apartments which are a nondescript block of apartments not far from Metropolitan Mall. First step, load up whatsapp with the numbers of a few of the girls and then fire multiple messages in Bahasa explaining that OS is a bule and can he come and see her.

Got two responses so OS sets off for Bekasi. Half an hour later is parked outside Centerpoint apartments and commences the process of getting installed in one of the several hundred identical boxes that people call home.

The process is like finding an apartment anywhere, with back and forth, she wanted selfie and then directed to tower the where OS waited 20 minutes in the lobby while she claimed to be cleaning her apartment. OS was getting towards the end of his wait time.

Finally she turns up, OS has to leave his drivers license with the security guard although am sure could have given him a video shop card and he wouldn't have known. Up to floor something or another with Rara, a tall 20 YO with nice enough body but the kind of look like she parties a bit too hard. The apartment, she rents by the day with a friend for 350 000/ day. It was pretty clear she had not been tidying up the apartment for it was a squalid hot shithole that looked like something out of the movie "trainspotting", rubbish lying around on a dirty floor and a couple of pokey little rooms with her friend in one and a dirty mattress on a mount in the other. OS made the mistake of lifting up the toilet seat to widdle when he had a shower and nearly puked.

Am not sure if this is where the girls end up when their shabu habit gets the better of them but this girl was in no hurry to provide any service, chatting with her friend and smoking untill given an Ayo to get on with it. The service, when it came was a mechanical version of the nipple-balls-onward ho that all the jaded old hacks seem to do.

OS by this time had pretty much decided this was not for him and when she insisted on a condom for blowjob, he took the opportunity to write off his investment and get out having just 5 minutes previously given her 900 000. She probably couldn't believe her luck.

Arrived back at base about 2. 45, so if you have lots of time on your hands then the twitter girls may be for you but OS doesn't think they are for him.

Hopefully they aren't all like Rara but with the amount of choice in Jakarta it will be a long time before OS bothers with a twitter girl again.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2250957]Twitter BO. Today OS decided to take one for the team and try a twitter girl. [/QUOTE]Tally ho! Thank you for the always entertaining reports.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2250957]Up to floor something or another with Rara, a tall 20 YO with nice enough body but the kind of look like she parties a bit too hard.

Am not sure if this is where the girls end up when their shabu habit gets the better of them[/QUOTE]Such a sad waste of a life at the tender age of 20. Its amazing how quickly the body degenerates to such vices.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2250957].....took the opportunity to write off his investment and get out having just 5 minutes previously given her 900 000. [/QUOTE]Wow! That is not cheap at all. OS has really taken one for the team! Salutes.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2250957]it will be a long time before OS bothers with a twitter girl again.[/QUOTE]I just finished a session with a twitter girl an hour ago. In her profile, she specifically stated BO for 1 juta. Fairly tall 20 year old with a rockin' hot body. She spoke fluent English (not that English matters to me) which I found interesting. She wanted 1 million and she was well worth it. She is a definite repeat prospect. I asked her if she had any hot friends for a possible threesome next time and she showed me a photo of another 20 year old with huge tits. She claims the girl is wild and fun, so I will try to give that a shot soon. Not all Tinder experiences with the BO girls are bad.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2251034]I just finished a session with a twitter girl an hour ago. In her profile, she specifically stated BO for 1 juta. Fairly tall 20 year old with a rockin' hot body. She spoke fluent English (not that English matters to me) which I found interesting. She wanted 1 million and she was well worth it. She is a definite repeat prospect. I asked her if she had any hot friends for a possible threesome next time and she showed me a photo of another 20 year old with huge tits. She claims the girl is wild and fun, so I will try to give that a shot soon. Not all Tinder experiences with the BO girls are bad.[/QUOTE]What are some popular twitter tags? BOJakarta gave a limited selection. Do you have to make a bank transfer first?

My mistake. I met her on Tinder, not Twitter. She was one of the girls who puts BO in her profile.

I have never met a girl on twitter. Sorry for the confusion.

Regardless of the way I met the girl, I wouldn't send any money in advance.

Hi all,

I am new here and this is my first post. Ii am boy from Italy 28 yo this is only my past experience in cj as a newbie.

Day 1 went cj in mulia at Sunday I charge the first girl who harassed me, Jessica 34 yo she was bit ugly but good fuck damage 800 k LT she left 6 am Monday I repeated Monday for 500 k for 3 hour.

Day 2 I called a girl who I meet in cj the same night as before, amora 20 yo dress like student and look innocent, very beauty but a literally starfish damage 1 million ST without moving from my apartment.

Day 3 second time in cj is Wednesday and I'm very drunk, one girl keep eye contact all time from when I get in, she is very little and pretty, so I showed her to join me and she no want join, very shy, a friend of her pull her on me, I fast ask if want go in my room she say yes without talk about money. Name sury 30 yo she say Sundanese a nymphomaniac! Bb 3 hole she stay in my room 3 days for only fuck I give her 300 k without she asking.

Day 4 I go cj after 1 week is Thursday just inside a beautiful girl tells me I'm cute I replied if he wanted to come to my apartment and asked 2 million then fell to 1. 5 million LT (I think she realized I hit him or maybe it was still early) does not go down the price. Name sarah half Indian half indo complete service with cum inside she left 12,00 am.

Day 5 and 6 Friday and Saturday totally sucks sausage party.

Day 7 Sunday the perfect day for cj the place was packed of stunner I just take one elodie ask me 3 million won't go down while bargaining her friend say to me hey I like you she was very beauty kiki bintang slender and fake blond 30 yo look like 20 yo, she ask 2 million and went down to 1. 5 milion LT complete service with cum inside she left 2 pm.

I noticed that the girls among them know each other very well and they almost certainly have a WP group where they speak exactly as they do here.

Because the last day I was in cj I could see that some girls already knew me before I spoke to them and then they are always the same group in the same position.

I also had freebie by immigrant basque jenja dragon-fly and other.

[QUOTE=Antoniobove;2251621]
Day 7 Sunday the perfect day for cj the place was packed of stunner I just take one elodie ask me 3 million won't go down while bargaining her friend say to me hey I like you she was very beauty kiki bintang slender and fake blond 30 yo look like 20 yo, she ask 2 million and went down to 1. 5 milion LT complete service with cum inside she left 2 pm.[/QUOTE]I agree that Sunday is the best day to go there. I am surprised that one chick wouldn't go down from 3 million. She likely went home alone that night unless she encountered a complete sucker. The complete service with cum inside part is the advantage to taking free lancers. Once they go home with you, they pretty much have to make sure to show you a good time or they don't get paid.

Want to say I like Jakarta more than Pattaya simply for the way Indians are treated. Now read below.

Thanks to Smoothy and others who told me about the availability of the Cialis. I am going to be concise my 5 Day Experience including the Stay and the little Things that Happened. Most visited are Travel and Classic only along with couple of tinder adventures.

Day 0- Arrival at 8 in the evening Head to hotel and just slept (Hotel IBIS Kemayoran).

Took Grab taxi from Airport to Hotel cost me 140 k The Airport Taxi Quoted me 300 K,1 Down side to the grab taxi is you have to go to the Parking station to the left of the airport exit My driver was in 3rd floor of the Parking lot.

Day 1- Started the Search with the Vitamins ended getting it from Fimia or some Pharma. Went for the Cialis itself and not the Generic. I prefer a Pinch of the tablet at the start of the Day. Headed to Star moon and that the only place I visited in PenJay. Reached at 3 Girls were just coming in Picked a young thing. One thing I liked in this Trip. Almost all the girls know how to Grab and Stroke Johnny with their Honey Comb. The pull action is superb. One of the most dirty places I have ever been even for short time. Classic and travel are so clean. Starmoon not much of a choice Most are like 27 + really need a good eye to pick some sweet things. More relaxing than Travel or classy as they don't bother you much. Headed to Classic 6 PM 2nd Level Dismal choices The ratio was not favourable and Very few girls. Headed to 5th Floor OMG even more crowded and more Men. Along came Mami and literally forced her MVP on to me didn't like at first but she was very easy to get on with and was a confident girl. Turns out she is from Bandung. Had a very lengthy Marathon and she was very happy for some reason and was a Dig fest. Came out and the Mami immediately Grabbed her and introduced to 2 guys soon as we stepped out. Not sure what was my Number finished was feeling tired headed to Hotel and gave johnny the much needed rest.

Day 2- Started to Travel. Best time to Visit is 6 PM only me and all the 4 podiums are full you get a nice View with the seats at front No crowd at all. I realized at one point All the Mami were at my table with their drinks and making fun of Me in Bahasa for taking so much time with so much on offer Took one of the Quietest Girls there turns out she is older than I thought just because they are slim and no tummy doesn't mean they didn't push one out. But have to say she was happy and actually wanting more though very reserved.

Had a beer and headed to the toilet. Interesting part was listening to 2 guys (Farang / Bule / White etc.) they were so excited with the first time with an Asian heard these exact sentences (Dude she was so tiny. So small and would almost break. Her hips its no more bigger than my arm). Was trying to recall the last hour laughed and left the place.

Day 3- used tinder swiped on one of the hijabs she is interested to meet but no sex very conservative. Turns out she is a graduate and trying to get a job. Never thought will be discussing Performance excellence and green belt topics with her. Had dinner nice conversation every thing was on house except drill. Was a different experience felt like a teenager turns out her mom was at my age Nice hugs and bed warming had a nice sleep. Though no price discussed I slipped a 300 k in her notebook which she noticed later.

Break fast with me in the hotel and of she went.

Day 4- tinder again only this time a promotion girl beyond her prime but a very graceful cute little MILF single parent. She had no problem with English had some of the best conversation agreed for 500 k in the morning though I ended up giving 700 K as I liked her. Also she was excited more than me and I went ploughing like a tractor. She later said she came twice and I did feel that.

Day 5- Called for Massage 90 min hot therapist and was a good massage didn't do any thing more.

Interesting hotel Travel again. Finished one of the cold showers ending with shivers and had a very warm hug from a 45 kg volcanic lava for a good 5 min till it subsided. She was making fun of a 200 pound mountain feeling shivers and then started a marathon ending after like 30 min.

First time travellers PM me and will help all I can as and when I get time to log in.

OS.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2242419]I don't have that one. Please feel free to post it if you have it.[/QUOTE]I have the Heirloom Edition (2003-2005) as a PDF and the Chronicles from 2005 to 2008-11, when it unfortunately ended. Nice to read back the old stuff.

If it's not a copyright infringement I can send you something.

[QUOTE=Questner;2241759]Smoothy, '7 ages of girls' by the Rev deserve to be reposted too.[/QUOTE]I was pleasantly surprised to see that the Blok M / Blog M site is still in the air.

[QUOTE=OldSnake;2251938]Want to say I like Jakarta more than Pattaya simply for the way Indians are treated. [/QUOTE]I think you will find that Indians are treated better wherever people have had less exposure to Indians. Don't be fooled though, the average perception of Indians in Indonesia is negative. However, there is not the disdain you will find in Thailand. But as long as you treat the girls well, word will spread.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2252096]I think you will find that Indians are treated better wherever people have had less exposure to Indians. Don't be fooled though, the average perception of Indians in Indonesia is negative. However, there is not the disdain you will find in Thailand. But as long as you treat the girls well, word will spread.[/QUOTE]Well even in Thailand things are changing soon as India is in booming stage and more men from the second populous country venturing first time.

Hope they don't get excited too much due to the contrast in the culture.

Os.

I visited terminal 2 on a Friday evening around 11:00 PM after a massage in the basement spa. It was very busy.

As I entered the room I knew if I stood there like a rabbit in the headlights I would be pounced on by the aggressive mamasans so I briskly walked to the left (for no reason, I could have gone to the right) and searched in the dark smoke filled room for an empty table. It took a while but I found one against a pole and grabbed a stool. I hadn't even sat down when a mamasan shoved her hand out to me to introduce her services. I ignored her and caught the attention of a waitress nearby and ordered a beer. The mamasan didn't give up and kept telling me she can get me a girl. I wasn't even sure if I wanted one as I had just had a massage with happy ending not long ago so I kept ignoring her.

My beer arrived and it was not very cold. I forgot that had happened to me before at the Classic and I should have asked to feel the bottle before they opened it. The waitress suggested to add ice to the beer if it wasn't cold enough. I declined her offer. I drank the beer quickly and ordered another one. By this time a girl was standing next to me that the mamasan had brought over. At this stage my eyes had adjusted to the dark and I glanced briefly at the girl she brought to the table. She was really cute, early 20's and nice body. I was pleasantly surprised and starting chatting with her. She seemed enthusiastic and had a great attitude. She was an excellent choice. The first one I looked at.

I drank the second beer. Another one that was not really cold then I rejected an offer of two girls instead of this one. Been there done that. Wasn't a great experience.

She took me to a room downstairs, undressed and showered then we got into it.

The session was mostly good. She gave me CBJ which is the norm for me at the Classic but when I tried to DATY she giggled and said it tickled her. I tried to persuade her but she insisted she didn't want it.

We finished up just on the hour and after we got dressed I gave her a 50 K tip. She asked for more and I said if she had let me do DATY on her I would have doubled the tip. She frowned and didn't speak to me at all after that as we walked back upstairs to the main room. Her loss. I watched her cute body from behind walk off into a room just behind the cash registers. She was really sweet. I paid my bill and left.

Terminal 5 would be my next port of call the following day.

[QUOTE=Kodja;2252618]
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As I entered the room I knew if I stood there like a rabbit in the headlights I would be pounced on by the aggressive mamasans so I briskly walked to the left <snip>
By this time a girl was standing next to me that the mamasan had brought over.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting your experience.

(1) I am puzzled about the role of these Mamasans. In other words, we can (and do) select our own girls. It is our choice, not the Mamasans.
Why have them in the first place? For those familiar with Thermae in Bangkok, there are NO Mamasans, and it works great.

(2) Just curious, how the Mamasan is compensated? Do they earn a fixed % from what the girl earns?
If they earn a commission from the girls earnings, then it explains their aggression.

(3) Is it a good idea to tip the Mamasan as soon as you enter (to keep her away)? If yes, is 100 K a "decent" tip OR is it too high/low?

Thanks again,
~BKKguru

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2252746](3) Is it a good idea to tip the Mamasan as soon as you enter (to keep her away)? If yes, is 100 K a "decent" tip OR is it too high/low?
[/QUOTE]A place like Classic or Travel have 10-15 mamasans working on a busy night. Will cost you 1. 5 million to keep them all away!

The mamasans are bothersome until they get to know you. Don't be a pushover in these bars. After a week some will leave you alone and some will be your best friends. AFAIK, each girl is attached to a mamasan. If a mamasan doesn't work neither does the girl. Read what you want into that I'm not saying it. AFAIK the 365 k is split 3 ways between the bar, mamasan, and the girl. In fact, it could be the girl gets less than 1/3. That's why if I have a good girl I tip her 100 or 200 k. Never tip the mamasan she already makes enough and she will never leave you alone if you tip her. Classic and Travel are so dark that these mamasans can actually be helpful pulling a girl sitting in some dark corner. Happened with me at Classic. I have a favorite mamasan at Classic. I just hang out with her and her girls. Never given her any business but she helps protect me from annoying mamas with a bad group of girls. Smoothy can correct me on any of this. This is just hearsay from my nearly 2 months in Jakarta so far this year.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2252746](1) I am puzzled about the role of these Mamasans. In other words, we can (and do) select our own girls. It is our choice, not the Mamasans.
Why have them in the first place? For those familiar with Thermae in Bangkok, there are NO Mamasans, and it works great.[/QUOTE]The mamasans in the Classic will bring a girl to you. Even if you don't want one they will still bring them over, one by one. You can try a "no thank you" but they still persist. I don't really mind but it's just an awkward feeling when you keep rejecting young women the mamasans keep insisting you take from them. Usually they get the hint and leave you alone after several rejections so you can do you own browsing if you wish. However if you give the mamasan a description of what you want you may get lucky and she brings the exact girl over without having the difficult task of searching for the right one through the darkness of the place.

Often as I was sitting at my table I was impressed with some of the girl choices the mamasans would bring to neighboring tables, sometimes they were rejected but mostly they were accepted by the punter sitting there.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2252746](2) Just curious, how the Mamasan is compensated? Do they earn a fixed % from what the girl earns?
If they earn a commission from the girls earnings, then it explains their aggression. [/QUOTE]The mamasans are just doing their job I presume. They are pushy as the pushy ones often get the business.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2252746](3) Is it a good idea to tip the Mamasan as soon as you enter (to keep her away)? If yes, is 100 K a "decent" tip OR is it too high/low? [/QUOTE]I have never tipped a mamasan and probably never will particularly in the Classic, however once I hooked up with a younger mamasan from the Malio lounge and we had dinner, karaoke and back to my hotel for FS. It was a good night however she expected something like 3 Million RP payment afterwards. I gave her some money but nothing like she asked.

[QUOTE=Kodja;2252894] I don't really mind but it's just an awkward feeling when you keep rejecting young women the mamasans keep insisting you take from them.[/QUOTE]I have no problems saying no but what I don't like is when a mamasan brings you a girl you actually think is attractive but you literally just finished a session 5 minutes ago. I always tell the girl I just finished and will take her later but I think the girls have heard that a million times so it doesn't matter if it's the truth. Usually by the time I'm ready again in 30 minutes the girl I wanted is long gone and I usually find another girl before the one I wanted returns.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2252996]I have no problems saying no but what I don't like is when a mamasan brings you a girl you actually think is attractive but you literally just finished a session 5 minutes ago. I always tell the girl I just finished and will take her later but I think the girls have heard that a million times so it doesn't matter if it's the truth. Usually by the time I'm ready again in 30 minutes the girl I wanted is long gone and I usually find another girl before the one I wanted returns.[/QUOTE]What I don't like is when I have a girl sitting with me that I have already said no to and am pondering what else I can find but she still remains there (by my side) for whatever reason and I see a mamasan taking a really attractive girl to another table close by. I'm thinking " bring that one over here!" But it's too late and the lucky guy puts his arm around her and claims his prize! LOL.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2252746]Thanks for posting your experience.

(1) I am puzzled about the role of these Mamasans. In other words, we can (and do) select our own girls. It is our choice, not the Mamasans.
Why have them in the first place? For those familiar with Thermae in Bangkok, there are NO Mamasans, and it works great.

(2) Just curious, how the Mamasan is compensated? Do they earn a fixed % from what the girl earns?
If they earn a commission from the girls earnings, then it explains their aggression.

(3) Is it a good idea to tip the Mamasan as soon as you enter (to keep her away)? If yes, is 100 K a "decent" tip OR is it too high/low? As already covered here.
Thanks again,
~BKKguru[/QUOTE]It is not a good idea to tip the mama's. Unless they are providing you with some kind of value. Constantly pestering you with girls is not providing any value and a sharp "Itu saya yang pilih, bukan kamu" "It is me that chooses, not you" will slow them down but some can be persistent. Once they know you they will be better but if you are new they will try it on.

The mamas get a portion of the fee. Of the cost of a girl at Classic, she would get 150 000, the Mama not sure but think 10 or 20,000, it isn't that much. 50 000 is at the lower end of the scale as far as tips go to the girls but if it is CBJ then they really can't be expecting much more.

A good mama can look after you, but it takes a while for them to know you. The only other thing OS will not stand is the mamas forcing a girl who clearly does not want to session with you to do so.

I visited Classic Terminal 2 on a Thursday at around 4. 30 pm No entry fee although I saw the ladies at the entrance / reception change a fee to the three Chinese men who were in front of me. I was not allowed to take my bottle of water. I was given a wrist band.

Inside, there were five mamasans but three groups of girls wearing green, red and grey dress. There were a total of around twenty girls. One mamasan wanted to offer me a green dressed girl. So she called two girls but wanted me to take both. I told her to wait to allow me to make my mind. The girls return to their seats.

Another mamasan called three different red dressed girls. Again, I let her know that I will call her as soon as a girl pleases me.

Non of the mamasan bothered me for another ten minutes. Then I saw a thin tall girl wearing red dress. I just waived one mamasan. It was not her girl. So, the mamasan called the right mamasan who called the girl. Her name was Sella.

I paid the usual IDR 365,000. 00.

We went downstairs where we were guided by two hostesses and another two stewards.

Usual routine: I showered but she came in to clean me. She showered. Then we did it in different positions. No kissing. She put listerine on some tissue paper to clean my nipples and penis before sucking. I didn't try DATY although there was no bad smell. She cooperated nicely. I came when she was doing cowboy. After the deed she cleaned me. I showered then she showered. We got dressed and walked upstairs together. She asked for a tip. I gave her IDR 50,000. 00. But I gave her the tip. No word exchanged.

I then went to the cashier who removed the wrist band and gave me a receipt to be shown at the entrance. I collected my water bottle which was still there and left. Overall a nice experience but not extraordinary. There are better options outside.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2252746]
(3) Is it a good idea to tip the Mamasan as soon as you enter (to keep her away)? If yes, is 100 K a "decent" tip OR is it too high/low?[/QUOTE]100 k would be a huge tip for a mamasan. I would only give them that much if they somehow just pulled the catch of the century for me and I had not seen her until the mamasan brought her over. I find that it's not necessary to ever tip a mamasan in Jakarta. I tip them sometimes in Bangkok, but I don't do it in Jakarta. However, I do tip the girls at the massage places (where you can't see the girls, just pick numbers )at times who work the front desk and suggest good numbers for me. I tell them if they give me a really good girl, I will give them a 50k tip. It doesn't always work, but many times it does. The times I don't tell them I will give them a tip, the chances of them picking a good one for me are slight. I give them the tip after the session, not before, because the girl has to be good all around or they don't get the tip.

[QUOTE=OldSnake;2252615]Well even in Thailand things are changing soon as India is in booming stage and more men from the second populous country venturing first time.[/QUOTE]How is that going to change things? The ones coming for the first time are the worst ones.

Each time I return to Jakarta I tell myself I won't bother visiting Kartika massage as it's it getting old and tired and the woman are mostly overweight, old and unattractive. I first went there many years and have some great memories as well as great experiences there. The truth is that the women there can really service you well if you pick the right one.

On my recent visit to Jakarta I had a free afternoon and thought I'd grab a massage just after 1:00 PM. The full naked body water slide massage offered at Kartika came to mind so I headed up there from my hotel. Only 10 minutes away. Before I entered the lane where Kartika is located I stopped to buy a snack for lunch at the Suisse bakery at the front on the main road. I recognized one of my past ladies from Kartika buying food so I introduced myself to her and called her by her name. She remembered me from my last visit there just over a year ago and said she was about to start her shift. I said I'd be down in a short time and request her for massage.

It was fortunate I thought, she was nice and fresh starting her shift so I entered Kartika and immediately took her upstairs. Paid Rp370 K upfront.

She gave me really good service in all aspects. Very friendly, chatty in a good way and her performance was excellent.

I'd guess she is late 20's, tall. About 165 cm, not overweight at all. She was not unattractive but wasn't gorgeous either.

I tipped her well and once again the thought crossed my mind, would I return to this old and tired place? Probably yes. I can't help myself!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2253323]I do tip the girls at the massage places (where you can't see the girls, just pick numbers )at times who work the front desk and suggest good numbers for me. I tell them if they give me a really good girl, I will give them a 50k tip. It doesn't always work, but many times it does. The times I don't tell them I will give them a tip, the chances of them picking a good one for me are slight. I give them the tip after the session, not before, because the girl has to be good all around or they don't get the tip.[/QUOTE]Brilliant! Will definitely do this at Kimochi Mabes and other spas next time.

[QUOTE=Manfield04;2253249] 4. 30 pm No entry fee although I saw the ladies at the entrance / reception change a fee to the three Chinese men who were in front of me. [/QUOTE]I've never seen anyone charged for entry upon entrance, Asian or Farang.

First trip to Indonesia in February 2019.

Decided to get away from Thailand (Bangkok and Pattaya). I am sometimes a little tired of the geocentric thinking, but do like the fairly advanced infrastructure, the BTS and MTS, availability of western food, great shopping malls, good English, and more. But love Large Breasts! Finding the large breasted girl in Thailand is not so easy, as they usually have quite the large legs and ass to go with the big tits. Love Pinay girls, and a petite Pinay can be wonderful. But if I find a Pinay with big tits, she will be chunky, or just simply a chubby girl.

I have read some 20 pages of ISG, and definitely appreciate the contributions. Have just 3 nights to spend in Jakarta, then onto Bangkok for 4 more nights. I am already booked at 4 Points by Sheraton.

1. Learning Bahasa - 15 minutes a day with Babbel, to learn at least the basics, not only for hobbying, but just basic survival. Any tips?

2. No online friendships yet. If I fail to make any before my trip, is it a reasonable plan to hunt at the shopping mall? I really don't imagine doing this, but I occassionally read of foreign guys doing this in the Philippines, and thought that Indonesia might be similar. Should I save my power (and limited time) for the bars and spas?

3. Seems that with the severe punishment against drug dealers, there would be very low illicit drug usage, so am surprised to read about drug dealers, whether Nigerian, or locals. My real concern of course is just to avoid any girls that take drugs. Is overall drug usage lower in Indonesia compared to Philippines or Thailand?

4. Blok M. Have enjoyed so much debauchery in Pattaya and Bangkok, (and many years in Brasil). Read a little about D's Place where they used to have semi private room where you can get a BJ (maybe more). Reported to be the only BJ bar in Jakarta. Any comments on D'S Place or other Blok M bars? So many reports of how much it has declined, but need to see for myself.

5. Is it at Malio that has some topless girls dancing? Nude dancers have not been allowed for a few years now, but I have read that at Malio the girls wear see thru tops, but g strings are not see thru. From random website. The girls usually walk around and ask you to buy them shots for 50 k so you can touch their boobs and ass. They'll be gone after 30 seconds though, unless you really open your pocket and agree to buy at least 5 shots. - accurate, or does each girl vary on how much she will play and perhaps hoping you will take her for ST?

6. Dress code for LE Meridien, BATS, and CJ'S? Is Bermuda shorts and button down shirt or polo shirt OK? When is a good time for the free lance bars? Better to go there, and then to Blok M, or go to Blok M, and then to the freelance bar?

7. Where should I change money? Any exchange booths that are so common in Thailand? Near Four Points by Sheraton? Generally, an exchange booth at the airport will offer a lower rate. Or just use my ATM card?

8. I read of Aquarius Massage (Blok M) in a blog. Does it still exist?

9. Any reviews for Orchadz Spa? How does it compare to the Travel Hotel, or Classic? -Hotel Orchardz, 6th floor Jl. Industri Raya 8, Gunung Sahari, behind Sheraton Hotel Gurung Sahari Orchadz Hotel, located near Mangga Dua, is home to Grand Boutique Spa, which has the reputation of being one of the rare places in Jakarta with clean / full body massages (the girl massages your body with her own body. Hotel Orchardz, 6th FL Jl. Industri Raya 8, Gunung Sahari, behind Sheraton Hotel Gurung Sahari. Old info said on Tuesday, girls are topless (I am doubting this). Where are they topless? In waiting salon?

10. Incall massage? Is WeChat possible to get full service massage? How to avoid bait and switch on WeChat?

Thanks for any help.

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2254052]
4. Blok M. Have enjoyed so much debauchery in Pattaya and Bangkok, (and many years in Brasil). Read a little about D's Place where they used to have semi private room where you can get a BJ (maybe more). Reported to be the only BJ bar in Jakarta. Any comments on D'S Place or other Blok M bars? So many reports of how much it has declined, but need to see for myself..[/QUOTE]You're in for a huge disappointment if you are led to believe that Blok M is anything close to Pattaya. For a 3 day trip Blok M is a huge pass. So many better areas in Jakarta than Blok M. Kota Indah (Grand LA, Royal, MTR, New Sari Ayu, Starmoon, etc) and Kelapa Gading (King's Cross, Sumo Spa, MTR, and a bunch more) are the 2 areas I would go to with the 3rd day at Malio just to see it. Before hitting these 3 areas you can go to Travel or Classic at around 5 pm each day.

Not sure what you mean by BJ bars for all that I have named you can get a BJ only instead of FS if that is your desire. Clarify with the mamasan or girl first since some Indo girls aren't huge fans of BJs.

Many other places and areas not talked about much on ISG like Ruko Robinson, Berlian / Katinka, Emporium, New Medika and many spas in West Jakarta, 1001, Kimochi spas, etc. All worth a look but certainly not on a 3 day trip. Bear in mind Jakarta traffic can be bad in rush hour. So bad that taxi drivers will refuse driving out to West Jakarta during rush hour.

It's 5 shots minimum at Malio Club. At least that's what I was told but my girl was hot enough to buy 5 shots so I wasn't too concerned about the price. She downed the 'shots' in what felt like under 10 minutes. I'd buy the same girl 5 shots again if I spotted her again. Super busty, young, and fun but a major hustler. No need for that when I have my regular girls at other bars. You can buy single shots for girls at Malioboro.

One important travel note that isn't mentioned often enough for tourists is to ALWAYS try taking a Bluebird taxi when one is available. They will use meters and not try charging you extra on a set rate. Make sure they are aware you are using Google maps or know the direction they are driving because even Bluebird taxis have bad drivers who try to take the long route or get you stuck in traffic to make more money.

AFAIK ATM's only allow a maximum of 3 million rupiah per transaction. Some less so check the machine. This may be fine for a 3 night stay but a PITA if you are staying for weeks and having to pay international transaction fees every couple of days.

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2254052]First trip to Indonesia in February 2019.
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Decided to get away from Thailand (Bangkok and Pattaya). I am sometimes a little tired of the geocentric thinking, but do like the fairly advanced infrastructure, the BTS and MTS, availability of western food, great shopping malls, good English, and more. But love Large Breasts! Finding the large breasted girl in Thailand is not so easy, as they usually have quite the large legs and ass to go with the big tits. Love Pinay girls, and a petite Pinay can be wonderful. But if I find a Pinay with big tits, she will be chunky, or just simply a chubby girl.

I have read some 20 pages of ISG, and definitely appreciate the contributions. Have just 3 nights to spend in Jakarta, then onto Bangkok for 4 more nights. I am already booked at 4 Points by Sheraton.

Thanks for any help.[/QUOTE]Many girls in Jakarta are from areas known for having nice tits. They are not hard to find. However, you are right in saying that they often come with bigger framed bodies. The exceptions can be stunning!!

Bahasa is a very easy language to learn. Essentially it has no gender or tenses to worry about and the letters are only ever pronounced one way. Learning a few words is always very well received with the girls and general society. Having said that, if you are only there for a couple of days or weeks I would just concentrate on the polite terms like please, thank you, where is, how much etc. It sounds corny but being able to compliment is also very well received. "You're very pretty" for example.

For limited time spas and FL bars are point and shoot. Malls are an option but be very weary of insulting the wrong person.

Indonesia is one of the larger drug markets in the world and is a real problem in some areas. That's why punishments can be very severe. A significant number of working girls partake in some form. My advice is to stay well clear of anything to do with it.

Smoothy is the best to comment on BlokM and various establishments. My view is that BlokM is well past it's prime but many still have a good time there.

Smart casual dress is acceptable everywhere. Leave the Bintang singlet, boardshorts and sandals at home. But don't forget your wallet!! 😁.

Cash can be changed easily in the expat areas but I just use my debit card in the many ATMs scattered around. I wouldn't recommend having a lot of cash in your room or in your pockets.

In call is readily available online or often from your hotels in room massage. Bait and switch is an issue with agencies and private providers select the most flattering photos. Use video or questioning to determine what you are really getting.

I note you have asked a lot of questions in your previous posts so be sure to leave a report of your experiences when you do visit.

Enjoy, G.

Goferring and Banana Boi. Big thanks for your help.

True, alot of questions. Am looking forward to payback with a decent report in February.

Yea, this Bahasa is definitely the easiest language so far. Done 2 lessons online. So, just have to stick with it. Maybe will try online 1 on 1 lessons.

Thanks for reminding me about the hotels own in room massage. Just checked, and they clearly have this on offer at the Four Points by Sheraton.

Board shorts? Not exactly my style! Although I imagine Bermuda style is not unacceptable, unless in nice hotel bar such as LE Meridien. My wardrobe is more than adequate in any case.

Great tip on using Google maps while taking the taxi. Been doing this in Bangkok. Drivers seem to respect that the passenger is paying attention. I don't mind keeping close to my hotel or the most nearby mall until 9 pm, which should keep me clear of the worst traffic.

Now, for BJ or FS. I never opt for a BJ if FS is available. Just some random website where D'S Place was reported to have potential for a BJ, if it even got to that point between a customer and one of the girls working in the bar.

Now reading back to page 60 on the Jakarta section, and a few pages of the General section. Should be all sorted.

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2254276]
Now, for BJ or FS. I never opt for a BJ if FS is available. Just some random website where D'S Place was reported to have potential for a BJ[/QUOTE]Just think of Soi 6 in Pattaya on how all the places I mentioned below work. If you are used to Soi 6 then no worries about comments about places not being clean. Kota Indah is no more dirty than Soi 6 imo. They all provide FS which is why I was a bit confused why you were asking for a BJ bar in Jakarta.

In regard to fashion, most if not all men go out wearing long pants and a golf or casual dress shirt.

No need to stay in your room til 9 pm to avoid traffic. Just head out somewhere like Classic or Travel at 4 pm or Sumo Spa at Kelapa Gading at 3 pm. I prefer my girls fresh at the front end of their shifts. Traffic around your hotel isn't awful (you've been to Bangkok you've seen worse) but it is congested around National Monument. It is very bad south of Grand Indonesia mall especially if they close the roundabout.

I don't think there is much need to spend a lot of time learning Bahasa more than the basics. Almost all my girls spoke enough English to get by. The only one who speaks no English is my favorite Starmoon girl. All she does is smile and giggle.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2254290] The only one who speaks no English is my favorite Starmoon girl. All she does is smile and giggle.[/QUOTE]You aren't missing much conversation with Nanda. I spoke Bahasa with her the one time I took her upstairs. She has the intelligence of a 5 year old and can't hold much of a conversation. She can rim a good ass though. No need for much conversation when her tongue is in your ass. I do think she's a sweet girl and is not camera shy, which is a good thing in my opinion.

I wasn't aware that any girl at Starmoon girl could speak any English other than the mamasan. I find that surprising. I have to admit that I never try speaking English with them though and I don't go often.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2254204]
One important travel note that isn't mentioned often enough for tourists is to ALWAYS try taking a Bluebird taxi when one is available. They will use meters and not try charging you extra on a set rate. Make sure they are aware you are using Google maps or know the direction they are driving because even Bluebird taxis have bad drivers who try to take the long route or get you stuck in traffic to make more money.[/QUOTE]I have to defend the bluebird drivers, those guys are trustworthy. I take 2 or 3 taxis every day and have done that for many years in Jakarta. Those taxi drivers are the most honest drivers I have found anywhere in the world. I have yet to find a bluebird taxi who has tried to dishonestly take me a long route that was not justified. I actually prefer that they take those long routes because they are most often the fastest way to get to where you want to go. Most times I actually demand that they do take those long routes because sometimes they are too timid to take them, they are scared I might get mad at them for taking the quicker long route rather than the slower direct route sitting in traffic. I prefer to avoid the traffic and get there sooner rather than save some trivial amount of money. The reason I do not take Uber or Grab car is they use a GPS and stick by that route, they will argue with me when I tell them to take the shortcut (mainly because they are not clever enough to know those shortcuts). Pretty much without fail, the GPS suggested route is not the fastest route. I don't have that problem with a taxi arguing with me over the route, they will take whichever route I want. I had a taxi about a month ago who took me from Mangga Dua to Kuningan in a half hour at rush hour (that would normally take over an hour). The guy was a friggin genius. He took the long route without a doubt going down the weirdest side streets that I didn't even know. He did ask me if I was ok with him taking that route before he took it. I wish I could remember those side streets because I would love to go that way again in the future, but it was fairly complicated.

The non blue bird taxis will many times not use a meter, but if you notice, they also take the "long" route even though you have already paid them a fixed price.

I wouldn't worry too much about using google maps with the taxis.

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2254052]
4. Blok M. Have enjoyed so much debauchery in Pattaya and Bangkok, (and many years in Brasil). Read a little about D's Place where they used to have semi private room where you can get a BJ (maybe more). Reported to be the only BJ bar in Jakarta. Any comments on D'S Place or other Blok M bars? So many reports of how much it has declined, but need to see for myself.[/QUOTE]D's Place has a VIP room in the back. You can take pretty much any girl who works there into that room and do what you want. You can get a BBBJ, BBFS, or just a nude dance show if you want. If you see a girl you like who works there that you like, just ask her if she wants to go to the VIP room with you. They definitely want that! Even if they are sitting with another guy, I will walk up to them and ask them if they are interested in going to the VI P room with me. They are often sitting with a guy who isn't going to take them to the VIP room so they will gladly leave him. And most times they are seated with a guy who goes there almost every night so he knows the game and won't get angry. She can return to him after you fuck her in the back room.

That back room used to be completely crazy where it was just one open room. You could see other guys barebacking girls and others getting BBBJ right there in front of you. Shy guys would tip another girl 50 k to stand in front of them to block the view. LOL. Now they have added some partitions for some privacy, but it's still not completely closed off.

The girls there are not as hot and young as the brothels up north, but it's a more relaxed and free ambience. You can enjoy a beer at D's place.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2254308]I have to defend the bluebird drivers, those guys are trustworthy. I take 2 or 3 taxis every day and have done that for many years in Jakarta. Those taxi drivers are the most honest drivers I have found anywhere in the world. [/QUOTE]Thanks. I didn't mean to bash Bluebird and I absolutely agree with you that Bluebird is likely the best taxi company in the world. Just reporting 2 incidents I had on my last trip. One was with our mutual friend who said to the Bluebird driver "Are you sure you work for Bluebird?" as he took the scenic route thinking we didn't know how to get to our destination. The other incident was with a driver who for some reason purposely drove up a street near National Monument after I told him there was heavy traffic according to Google Maps. We sat in traffic over 30 minutes. He would have made more taking the much longer route I had proposed to take. It's not about the money since taxis in Jakarta are cheaper than anywhere in the world. I get upset that they are wasting my time. My other Bluebird incident was with the Harris Vertu Harmoni Bluebird drivers who all refused to take me to New Medika at around 6 pm because of heavy traffic. The taxi guy then allowed me to hop in to another Bluebird taxi who was dropping off customers. It took that driver over 1 hour to get to New Medika but I tipped him over 100k which he was ecstatic to receive. He was a great guy.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2254300]You aren't missing much conversation with Nanda. I spoke Bahasa with her the one time I took her upstairs. She has the intelligence of a 5 year old and can't hold much of a conversation. She can rim a good ass though. No need for much conversation when her tongue is in your ass. [/QUOTE]

Better that I can't speak Bahasa then. Yes, her tongue is busy doing many other things rather than using it to speak.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2254316]"Are you sure you work for Bluebird?"[/QUOTE]A better question would probably be "how long have you been working for blue bird"? It doesn't happen real often, but that's the problem with bluebird. The drivers may be honest, but Bluebird hires guys fresh off the street who don't know a damn thing. Normally those type of guys would never take the long way though because they stick to the direct routes since they don't know jack shit. I have had Bluebird taxi drivers who were working their very first day and I had to tell them how to take the longer and faster route. They always want to take the big roads like Sudirman. These are the types of guys who didn't even live in Jakarta previous to that week and don't know any of the roads. LOL. If you take a non bluebird taxi, that will never happen. I actually prefer Express taxis over bluebird because they are much smarter drivers. If I am going to a place I have never been before, I will not take a bluebird, I will take a different taxi company due to their more experienced drivers.

I agree that if you get stuck with a driver who doesn't even know Jakarta, Google Maps is a good option.

Languages has been a life long hobby, so will learn and carefully use what I pick up in the 2 months prior to the trip.

Soi 6 in Pattaya? These days I generally stick to Soi 13/1 and 13/2 - not the young ones you find on Soi 6, but I like the full nude scene. I'm a big perv!! Once every 3 trips I will go to LePoste. Don't know why I never go to Telephone Bar anymore, as it offers a very pleasant atmosphere for a cup of coffee.

Google Maps, not necessarily to guard against long hauling, but for my own orientation. I am obsessed by maps and geography.

I will leave my neck tie at home, but will pack a couple more pairs of slacks!!

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2254324]LThese days I generally stick to Soi 13/1 and 13/2 - not the young ones you find on Soi 6, but I like the full nude scene. I'm a big perv!! Once every 3 trips I will go to LePoste. [/QUOTE]Isn't that the ladyboy and gay street?

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2254324]
I will leave my neck tie at home, but will pack a couple more pairs of slacks!![/QUOTE]Good idea. CJs and BATS will not allow you in with shorts.

Big Hugs and Miami on 13/1, and Club Nevada on 13/2. None of these are ladyboy or gay. But yes, ladyboy bars are located on one or both of those sois. Some good foot massage places. They have some young and cute girls in several shops. Often tempted to go upstairs for a body massage. One of these times I surely will.

I think Club Nevada is pretty tame, but Ana has massive tits. She is always there.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2254325]Isn't that the ladyboy and gay street?[/QUOTE]That's Soi 13/3 aka Boyztown. Soi 13/1 (Yamato) and 13/2 (Post Office) are on the other side of Royal Garden mall and have low budget gogo bars as well as many bar beers and FS massage places.

Correction. You are correct that there are a couple of ladyboy bars on the Beach Road end of Soi Yamato.

What's the best time for join the'place in block m after or before 2 am?

I also plan to visit Kota Indah Grand LA, Royal, MTR, New Sari Ayu, Starmoon they have bars or is just massage?

I look for funny place where you can drink and have fun with the girl before get laid.

Thank you.

Well if you think Traffic is bad in your city. Think Again and If you Think Mongering is good in your city think again. Once you are in Jakarta.

Places may close and re-open. Shut down for a while but Jakarta has the mongering places that is always there. And here is my reports.

Malio Club / Malio Lounge. Went on a Sunday so the lounge was with less dancers but yes the mamasans were there as usual. Declined the line ups and went down to the club after a drink at the lounge. The club seems to be more lively and adventurous. One lesson learnt if you are going in a group always check the tag has a key when you enter from the lounge. We had to pay a sum as the key was missing in one of our tags. But absolutely sure we never dropped it. Didn't notice it as we were using only 1 tag for the billing. 150 k is the user fees. One more visit during the week made. But only to the club.

BFashion. Looks like the massage scene has changed as you get to see the girls before the massage. Not sure when it changed but previously they asked for the type and you were assigned the room with the girl. Only free lancers line up.

Classic. 5 floor go early by 9:00 if you want to pick up girls of your choice. 365 was the damage. The girl was 7/10 and the drinks are cheaper there. Friendly girl with little English spoken but in no hurry.

CJ's. Plenty of WG's but looks like the rates are going higher every year. I thought 1. 5 mil was the max but that's now for ST for most of the girls. Picked up a girl whom I found was around 8/10 worked in Singapore. English was good. Service exceptional but again these indes are becoming expensive. The girl however said if she doesn't want to go with someone she mentions exorbitant charges like 4 or 5 mil to avoid the person. Not sure how true it is.

This was a short trip. Looking to be back to Jakarta soon.

[QUOTE=OmBule;2224517]The Venue: Grand Imperial is an Asian style spa, open early, around 11 am or 1 pm, and catering predominately to Japanese and Koreans, with a smattering of Javanese and Western dudes.
[/QUOTE]There are couple of things that might be useful for fellows who consider visiting the place:

The Korean restaurant near the GI is not operating anymore. I was planning to have my dinner there after using the spa the last week, but had to go somewhere else.

Some of the girls act as if HJ is not included, and start asking if you want any "extras" at a certain stage of massage session.

Starting from 04 pm (even on Saturday) it may get really overcrowded. You may not only have to wait more than an hour and a half for your session, but try to find any place at the tables besides the pools, with tobacco smoke everywhere. It is wiser to go to the second floor to wait there on a couch.

Some time later everything settles down and the patrons would spread out in massage rooms (I was wondering if the reason maybe that majority of the girls come to work only by 04 pm?

[QUOTE=Always09;2254418]BFashion. Looks like the massage scene has changed as you get to see the girls before the massage. Not sure when it changed but previously they asked for the type and you were assigned the room with the girl. Only free lancers line up.[/QUOTE]Good to know. What was the pricing at B Fashion?

[QUOTE=AntonioBove;2254403]I also plan to visit Kota Indah Grand LA, Royal, MTR, New Sari Ayu, Starmoon they have bars or is just massage?

I look for funny place where you can drink and have fun with the girl before get laid.[/QUOTE]

The listed Kota Indah bars all have rooms upstairs. You can have a drink and talk to the girls before a session but I wouldn't exactly call it fun. If you like a girl just go upstairs it's only 350-380k per hour, depending on the bar.

If you want to have fun with girls prior to getting laid you should head to places like CJs and BATS. Malio Club in the basement can also provide your need but that will cost you a pretty penny.

[QUOTE=AntonioBove;2254403]they have bars or is just massage?[/QUOTE]You cannot get a massage there, only a fuck. And although it's a bar, it's not a bar anyone would really want to hang out in. It's a brothel. You pick your girl and go upstairs for an hour, then go home. Hanging out there drinking beers is no fun at all in my opinion.

[QUOTE=AntonioBove;2254403]What's the best time for join the'place in block m after or before 2 am?[/QUOTE]Depends on the night of the week and what you want. Do you want to sit and enjoy a beer in a decent bar, or do you just want to pickup a girl?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2254632]Depends on the night of the week and what you want. Do you want to sit and enjoy a beer in a decent bar, or do you just want to pickup a girl?[/QUOTE]Both of them.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2254522]The listed Kota Indah bars all have rooms upstairs. If you like a girl just go upstairs it's only 350-380k per hour, depending on the bar.[/QUOTE]Correct, but the price is for one-and-done, not per hour. It rarely takes anywhere close to an hour.

I never found Kota Indah bars a relaxed place to have a drink. Way too loud, and full of not-so-savory locals, some of them excessively friendly as drunks can occasionally be (but such a situation can quickly turn against you).

Banana Boi; Good to know. What was the pricing at be Fashion?

"It was 365 for the girl (massage + BJ). No FS believe FS is 425.

However the entry charge is 150."

[QUOTE=Always09;2254903]Banana Boi; Good to know. What was the pricing at be Fashion?

"It was 365 for the girl (massage + BJ). No FS believe FS is 425.

However the entry charge is 150."[/QUOTE]When I went to be fashion the charges were confusing. Room charge then add and VIP charge add girl charge (massage and FS) add entry charge then a tip. It wasn't straight forward at all but it was a very good session.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2254812]Correct, but the price is for one-and-done, not per hour. It rarely takes anywhere close to an hour.[/QUOTE]I find that an hour is just the right amount of time for me. No point rushing things.

[QUOTE=Harv78;2254483]There are couple of things that might be useful for fellows who consider visiting the place:.[/QUOTE]That happened to me at the Classic massage in the basement recently. Even though I was told HJ was included prior to booking the massage.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2254522]If you like a girl just go upstairs it's only 350-380k per hour, depending on the bar.[/QUOTE]I paid 440 k. I hate the crappy standard rooms and got the more expensive room. Even the expensive room is pretty crappy, but nothing near as crappy as the standard room. I did only pay 350k at starmoon with nanda though, that place doesn't have anything other than standard rooms.

[QUOTE=Harv78;2254483]Some of the girls act as if HJ is not included, and start asking if you want any "extras" at a certain stage of the massage session. [/QUOTE]This is what I was referring to early in another post what happened to me at the Classic massage.

The following night after I visited Classic Terminal 2 I tried Terminal 5.

I entered around 8:30 PM on a Saturday night and it was't busy at all, only a handful of tables were occupied. I walked past the band and stage over towards the bar away from the entrance and took up a table.

The setup in Terminal 5 is different to Terminal 2. It's shape is like a large rectangle where Terminal 2 is more curvy or circular.

On one long side of the room is a stage in the center with band with rows of girls each side to it. I reckon there might be 4 to 5 different groups of girls sitting in the rows in groups all wearing similar outfits within each group on each side of the stage. What I recalled with Terminal 2 is the girls wear whatever they want. They don't seem to be in uniform like they are in Terminal 5.

I ordered a beer and asked for it to be brought to me before it was opened this time. Making sure it was icy cold. This worked.

It wasn't long before the mamasans came over. I said I would be selecting a girl later and explained I wanted to be left alone and have a few beers beforehand. This made no difference as a number of girls were brought over to me one after the other. All the girls I saw looked about 17 years old. I wasn't interested in any of them as I like them much older with more experience.

An Indonesian man sat down beside me and wanted to start a conversation which at first I wanted to ignore but he told me he was the operational manager and asked me how I was and if everything was OK. We had a long chat and a few laughs. He agreed that many of the girls were very young and they won't tell me their real age. During this time one or two of the girls that were brought to me just stood there and lent against me. I told the mamasan I wasn't interested but the girls just hung around. I asked the operational manager why do they just stand here after I am ignoring them and he said they are stupid. He said most of the girls there are really dumb. Poor things.

After a few beers I called the mamasan over and said I was ready to choose. Two more girls came over, again very young but not my type. I saw one I thought was cute sitting in the row against the wall and asked for her to come over. I said to the mamasan I want a tall girl with no tattoos and was hopeful she would tick those boxes. The mamasan pointed a laser light at her and she came over.

I accepted her and went down stairs opposite the Stage.

This girl was a real honey but she had tattoos! She let me do anything and even gave me a BBBJ which I thought was rare in the Classic. We tried several positions but I was not performing too well as maybe I had too many beers and a few hours earlier I had a great session at Kartika so was slightly knackered. I was about to give up but this cutie kept going and gave me BBBJTC! It was amazing. She really worked hard to get me to climax.

Once we dressed I gave her a RP50 K and she smiled, said thank you sweetly and put it in her purse. I then told her that because she impressed me so much by working to the finish and getting me to climax when I didn't t think I could I will give her a further tip of Rp100 K. She was so happy and so was I. Her name was Myasha and she told me she used to work in a massage place in Bali so she had had some experience with bule. I'd go back to see her again anytime.

[QUOTE=AntonioBove;2254403]What's the best time for join the'place in block m after or before 2 am?

I also plan to visit Kota Indah Grand LA, Royal, MTR, New Sari Ayu, Starmoon they have bars or is just massage?

I look for funny place where you can drink and have fun with the girl before get laid.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]You need to be very carefull playing around in this complex. OS had one very disturbing incident at MTR bar where the security took an extra long time with the weapons frisk that they do in all those bars. Upon turning around to see what the problem was the guy dropped a pill which he scooped up before OS got a chance to see.

It may have been nothing but this joint gets raided by the police from time to time and that incident really spooked OS. It is where a lot of locals play and that includes the cohort that filter to the top as playing harder than the others. It can be done at Kota Indah and the locals are generally really nice but be careful.

Hope that helps.

OS.

Is there a dress code at any of the bars in Kota Indah?

Would someone please confirm whether Novetal Gajah Mada and Grand Mercure Harmoni are green.

Thanks.

LK.

[QUOTE=LionKing777;2255394]Would someone please confirm whether Novetal Gajah Mada and Grand Mercure Harmoni are green.

Thanks.

LK.[/QUOTE]Brother I can guarantee that Grand Mercure Harmoni is green for sure I stayed my self at this wonderful and strategic hotel. It's really only 10 minutes with taxi to Hotel Classic and 5 minutes to Malioboro and 10 minutes to 1001 what else do you want haahah.

So I am heading to Jakarta next month for the first time, planing to stay for 3-4 days kindly suggest me must go places Will be staying in Central Jakarta.

TIA.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2255379]Is there a dress code at any of the bars in Kota Indah?[/QUOTE]Yes, it's advisable to dress like a homeless bum so that you will fit in there.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2255481]Yes, it's advisable to dress like a homeless bum so that you will fit in there.[/QUOTE]Ha, ha, well, I guess that answers my question. I'm heading over to Indonesia for the first time in January, and have a couple nights in Jakarta before going to west Sumatra. I found a cheap little hotel within walking distance called Hotel 55. I just didn't want to wear pants and a collared shirt in that oppressive heat. I'm more of a roll out of bed, throw on some rip stop shorts, a thin t-shirt, flip flops, and hang with the locals practicing my Bahasa Indonesia-guess I will fit in.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2255379]Is there a dress code at any of the bars in Kota Indah?[/QUOTE]I would suggest you wear long trousers and closed shoes. (not sandals).

You don't need to be dressy there.

Guys,

I am travelling to Jakarta for a few days in mid December.

The party I am meeting, have for convenience suggested I stay at DIRAJA Hotel in South Jakarta.

Are there prospects to meet ladies in that area and can anyone comment as to whether the hotel is open to allowing a lady guest?

Pedro.

[QUOTE=Kodja;2255263]The following night after I visited Classic Terminal 2 I tried Terminal 5.


This girl was a real honey but she had tattoos! She let me do anything and even gave me a BBBJ which I thought was rare in the Classic. We tried several positions but I was not performing too well as maybe I had too many beers and a few hours earlier I had a great session at Kartika so was slightly knackered. I was about to give up but this cutie kept going and gave me BBBJTC! It was amazing. She really worked hard to get me to climax.

[/QUOTE]If BBBJ is not standard there I'll be crossing that off my list, hope its not the case.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2255582]If BBBJ is not standard there I'll be crossing that off my list, hope its not the case.[/QUOTE]Confirm with the mamasan or girl before you accept if it's standard or not. My experience there is it's not standard but many.

Including me have had it included. Buyer beware.

[QUOTE=LionKing777;2255394]Would someone please confirm whether Novetal Gajah Mada and Grand Mercure Harmoni are green.

Thanks.

LK.[/QUOTE]That Novotel is white and tan, the Grand Mercure is white with a yellow sign.

I do know the Whiz Hotel Cikini is green. There are probably some others, but I don't know off hand.

I hope that helps. (they say that geniuses pick a green hotel)

[QUOTE=Kodja;2255507]I would suggest you wear long trousers and closed shoes. (not sandals).

You don't need to be dressy there.[/QUOTE]I suggest loose fitting shorts with no underwear so the girl can reach in and play with your cock while you are sitting with her. A long t shirt so you can use it to cover her hand so people can't see what's going on. A wife beater shirt is fine as long as it's long. Sandals are fine too, so are Crocs. Personally I don't wear sandals, I like to get my toes manicured before going then wear clean socks and shoes because I like the girls to suck my toes in the room.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2255363]You need to be very carefull playing around in this complex. OS had one very disturbing incident at MTR bar where the security took an extra long time with the weapons frisk that they do in all those bars. Upon turning around to see what the problem was the guy dropped a pill which he scooped up before OS got a chance to see.

It may have been nothing but this joint gets raided by the police from time to time and that incident really spooked OS. It is where a lot of locals play and that includes the cohort that filter to the top as playing harder than the others. It can be done at Kota Indah and the locals are generally really nice but be careful.
[/QUOTE]Yes, Kota Indah gets raided fairly often. It used to be great 15 to 20 years ago before the newer places opened, but there are much nicer options these days for the same price. Hotel Classic Bunker is only 350k and I love the rooms there. Hotel Classic 2nd floor rooms are quite nice and it's the exact same price as kota indah. Kings Cross is a bit more expensive but way nicer and the girls are willing to come to your room after work or on their day off, the kota indah girls will never do that. I think it's a no-brainer to pick a place like Kings Cross, especially if you are in town more than 1 or 2 days.

Stopping at Diradja Hotel for convenience when I am there in a couple of weeks.

Any possibilities available in that immediate area and idea if the hotel is girl friendly?

Pedro.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2255698]I suggest loose fitting shorts with no underwear so the girl can reach in and play with your cock while you are sitting with her. A long t shirt so you can use it to cover her hand so people can't see what's going on. A wife beater shirt is fine as long as it's long. Sandals are fine too, so are Crocs. Personally I don't wear sandals, I like to get my toes manicured before going then wear clean socks and shoes because I like the girls to suck my toes in the room.[/QUOTE]Each to their own.

I suggested closed shoes not for dress standard but for protection, safety and comfort reasons as surfaces in that area can be quite rough and wearing closed shoes would lessen the chance of injury to the feet.

What are Crocs? Are you an old man or something?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2255699]I think it's a no-brainer to pick a place like Kings Cross, especially if you are in town more than 1 or 2 days.[/QUOTE]Smoothy, there are several bars and spas in Kelapa Gading that we do not hear much about It's usually King's Cross, Sumo Spa, and MTR. Have you been to the other bars / spas there lately? Any I should check out next week?

I know you have told me this before but what is the best time of day to go to Termatik?

[QUOTE=PedrosNeeds;2255712]Stopping at Diradja Hotel for convenience when I am there in a couple of weeks.

Any possibilities available in that immediate area and idea if the hotel is girl friendly?

Pedro.[/QUOTE]You know this, right? Only Sofyan hotels in Indo are not girl friendly, everything else is girl friendly.

If it is the hotel in Kapten Tendean, in Mampang. No, not many possibilities in close proximity. Nearest are blok M, Eastern Promise, maybe CJ's and Bats. Daytime, best option from there, Fortune Spa, I guess.

[QUOTE=PedrosNeeds;2255712]Stopping at Diradja Hotel for convenience when I am there in a couple of weeks.

Any possibilities available in that immediate area and idea if the hotel is girl friendly?

Pedro.[/QUOTE]A hotel on Tendean? That street is always a nightmare for traffic. But you can easily go to Blok M, or Grand Wijaya center from there. Grand Wijaya center has lots of good massage places.

[QUOTE=Kodja;2255842]
What are Crocs? Are you an old man or something?[/QUOTE]These are crocs.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2255978]Smoothy, there are several bars and spas in Kelapa Gading that we do not hear much about It's usually King's Cross, Sumo Spa, and MTR. Have you been to the other bars / spas there lately? Any I should check out next week?

I know you have told me this before but what is the best time of day to go to Termatik?[/QUOTE]I haven't been to Tematik in about a year, but I used to go around 7 pm. I've only been to Kings Cross, Sumo, MTR and the'Heaven in the kelapa gading area. All good. I considered renting an apartment across the street from that complex because it's so awesome.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2256125] or Grand Wijaya center from there. Grand Wijaya center has lots of good massage places.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I was thinking about that one. You mean that little shopping mall at Darmawangsa, right? I kind of like that location.

What other spa's do they have in there? I know that there is a Delta, but I think they only offer happy endings (BJ and HJ's) not FS.

Tommy- Smoothy.

Thanks for the advise, I am there as suggested by the people I am meeting, not an ideal location I can see as the action appears to be 5- 6 Ks away.

Sure I will find a way.

Cheers.

Pedro.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2256125]A hotel on Tendean? That street is always a nightmare for traffic. But you can easily go to Blok M, or Grand Wijaya center from there. Grand Wijaya center has lots of good massage places.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;2256285]Yeah, I was thinking about that one. You mean that little shopping mall at Darmawangsa, right? I kind of like that location.

What other spa's do they have in there? I know that there is a Delta, but I think they only offer happy endings (BJ and HJ's) not FS.[/QUOTE]There are quite a few spas there. D'Heaven, Fortune, Cherry, Delta, My Place, Pesona Sehat, Sumber Wijaya, Sari Mustika, Mitra Sehat, probably even others I haven't heard about. D'Heaven is the best if you are looking for FS. Fortune would be second best but you need to negotiate with the girl in the room. Cherry is also ok for that depending on the girls they have at the time. You can negotiate extas in any of them, but D'Heaven is basically more of a brothel than a massage place (but they do give a good massage). FS is guaranteed there. If you just want a massage, I recommend Delta first and My Place second.

Grand Imperial spa is also an option very close, but I haven't tried it since it's right there on the main street and I always seem to be on the wrong side of the road when I pass it. lol

Metropolis massage in Blok M Square is also an option in that area.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2256534]There are quite a few spas there. D'Heaven, Fortune, Cherry, Delta, My Place, Pesona Sehat, Sumber Wijaya, Sari Mustika, Mitra Sehat, probably even others I haven't heard about. D'Heaven is the best if you are looking for FS. Fortune would be second best but you need to negotiate with the girl in the room. <snip> [/QUOTE] Smoothy,

D'Heaven is a new name. I had not seen this name mentioned in earlier reports.

D'Heaven Hotel & Spa, Sumo Shiatsu, Delta Spa are in North Jakarta (off Jl. Raya Gading Kirana as shown on the Google Maps URL pasted below).

https://www.google.com/maps/place/D'Heaven+Hotel+%26+Spa/@-6.1503245,106.8983067,18.5z/data=!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x2e69f546e4c936ed:0xb9655894a9f53d6d!2sD'Heaven+Hotel+%26+Spa!8m2!3d-6.1511796!4d106.8969307!3m4!1s0x2e69f546e4c936ed:0xb9655894a9f53d6d!8m2!3d-6.1511796!4d106.8969307

While Fortune Spa, My Place are based in South Jakarta.
Are we talking about the same D'Heaven? OR is there another D'Heaven in Central / South Jakarta? Please clarify.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2256129]These are crocs.[/QUOTE]People actually wear these out and about? They remind me of "old man's garden shoes".

Ok have RTFF for a while now but still need clarification.

I am a lazy punter. Like a quick walk to the bar / establishment, sit and observe while drinking, negotiate with chosen lady and quick walk back to hotel for ST romp.

Is Blok M / Lok Square still viable for this or do I do I take the BATS / CJ's route?

I know Jak is more Spa / Brothel / MP orientated but I feel rushed in these places prefer doing things at my own pace.

Hotel suggestions? Trying to stay out of the traffic? Or am I wishing for something that is not there?

Appreciate feedback please.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2256636]
Are we talking about the same D'Heaven? OR is there another D'Heaven in Central / South Jakarta? Please clarify.[/QUOTE]There are 2 D'Heaven locations. The older one in Kelapa Gading and the newer one in Grand Wijaya center (I think it's been open a few years now). However, I heard the kelapa gading location has recently been renovated.

[QUOTE=Kodja;2256694]People actually wear these out and about? They remind me of "old man's garden shoes".[/QUOTE]You were the one who said the following.

[QUOTE=Kodja;2255842] that area can be quite rough and wearing closed shoes would lessen the chance of injury to the feet.
[/QUOTE]Crocs protect your feet better than open toe sandals and they are much more comfortable to walk in due to the cushioned bottom of the shoe. Yes, they are ugly as hell. LOL.

I actually never wear sandals or crocs anywhere other than at home. But they would be acceptable to wear if you so desired.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2256534]There are quite a few spas there. D'Heaven, Fortune, Cherry, Delta, My Place, Pesona Sehat, Sumber Wijaya, Sari Mustika, Mitra Sehat, probably even others I haven't heard about. D'Heaven is the best if you are looking for FS. Fortune would be second best but you need to negotiate with the girl in the room. Cherry is also ok for that depending on the girls they have at the time. You can negotiate extas in any of them, but D'Heaven is basically more of a brothel than a massage place (but they do give a good massage). FS is guaranteed there. If you just want a massage, I recommend Delta first and My Place second.
[/QUOTE]That many?? Amazing. That place must have picked up some extra spa's in recent years.

We need some more Grand Wijaya reports here on the board, there are hardly any.

BTW crocs on mongering expeditions. Haha. Uncool footwear. But, maybe it can help bringing the price down.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2256713]Ok have RTFF for a while now but still need clarification.

I am a lazy punter. Like a quick walk to the bar / establishment, sit and observe while drinking, negotiate with chosen lady and quick walk back to hotel for ST romp.

Is Blok M / Lok Square still viable for this or do I do I take the BATS / CJ's route?

I know Jak is more Spa / Brothel / MP orientated but I feel rushed in these places prefer doing things at my own pace.

Hotel suggestions? Trying to stay out of the traffic? Or am I wishing for something that is not there?

Appreciate feedback please.[/QUOTE]Its exceedingly rare to see anyone esp a working girl walking any sort of distance in Jakarta. This is for good reason. It can be incredibly uncomfortable due to heat, humidity and pollution. Sidewalks can be ankle breakers and are often shared with homicidal motorbikes. Working girls on foot will be subject to constant stares and catcalls.

Most places that have girls during the day are not the types of bars that you would casually relax in, having a few coldies while surveying the options. The hotels attached to CJs and BATS are very nice so may be an option if you are happy to pay their room rates. BLOK M is a shadow of itself and doesn't get active til very late.

The only way to stay out of the traffic is to operate well out of business hours. During daylight hours it's pretty constantly heavy.

Have you considered mall or online hunting rather than bars? A bit more hit and miss but it opens up your daytime options.

Hi,

Long time lurker here. I will be in Jakarta next week and had RTFF the last 30 pages or so. Last time I went there was end of 2015, so exactly 3 years ago. Never tried twitter but I have followed and DM few twitter providers. Most of them require DP and AFAIK from all seniors here, it is a red flag. Well I have put DP on one of them and will report back next week if it is a scam or not. Also, I will be staying at bunderan HI for one night before moving to West Jakarta. Any other place beside Sagita spa in central Jakarta? Also, any recommendation of good spa near Saint Moritz?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2256844]Its exceedingly rare to see anyone esp a working girl walking any sort of distance in Jakarta. This is for good reason. It can be incredibly uncomfortable due to heat, humidity and pollution. Sidewalks can be ankle breakers and are often shared with homicidal motorbikes. Working girls on foot will be subject to constant stares and catcalls.
Most places that have girls during the day are not the types of bars that you would casually relax in, having a few coldies while surveying the options. The hotels attached to CJs and BATS are very nice so may be an option if you are happy to pay their room rates. BLOK M is a shadow of itself and doesn't get active til very late.
The only way to stay out of the traffic is to operate well out of business hours. During daylight hours it's pretty constantly heavy.
Have you considered mall or online hunting rather than bars? A bit more hit and miss but it opens up your daytime options.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I cannot justify the room rates at both those hotels so q1. Any hotels near where a quick stroll to Bats / CJ's and back could give me same results?

Q2. Have had success with Wechat in KL so was looking at staying at Novotel Jakarta Gajah Mada Hotel. Is this fairly central for wechat hook ups. I believe close to Lok Square and area s where possible FL can be found.

Q3. Re mall hunts. Read somewhere "The best mall for picking up girls during the day in Blok M is actually Pasar Raya Mall. " - any feedback?

The other option was to stay at hotel that have spa and just see if room service is on the cards?

I am confident and seem to be approached if I can find supply so any points in the right direction and I can do the rest.

Appreciate your help.

NI.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2257407]Unfortunately I cannot justify the room rates at both those hotels so q1. Any hotels near where a quick stroll to Bats / CJ's and back could give me same results?

Q2. Have had success with Wechat in KL so was looking at staying at Novotel Jakarta Gajah Mada Hotel. Is this fairly central for wechat hook ups. I believe close to Lok Square and area s where possible FL can be found.

Q3. Re mall hunts. Read somewhere "The best mall for picking up girls during the day in Blok M is actually Pasar Raya Mall. " - any feedback?

The other option was to stay at hotel that have spa and just see if room service is on the cards?

I am confident and seem to be approached if I can find supply so any points in the right direction and I can do the rest.

Appreciate your help.

NI.[/QUOTE]BATS and CJs are night time venues and on quite busy roads. The nearest other hotels are some distance away. No way would I walk to or from them at night. Take a taxi.

I've never stayed at the Novotel but it's in a good area for hook ups, FLs and Malls. The girls also know where it is and find it easily if they are coming to you.

Girls can be found in the basement food court or in the little popup shops in PasaRaya. Be a little careful in the main shopping complex as it's reasonably upmarket and propositioning the wrong girl could cause you trouble. BlokM Plaza and Mall or even Melawai Plaza are lower market and teeming with girls but language might be an issue.

Most hotels have in room massage with at least he and possibly FS if you completely strike out. Easy and convenient but quality is variable and you will pay for the convenience.

Enjoy, G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2257412]BATS and CJs are night time venues and on quite busy roads. The nearest other hotels are some distance away. No way would I walk to or from them at night. Take a taxi.

I've never stayed at the Novotel but it's in a good area for hook ups, FLs and Malls. The girls also know where it is and find it easily if they are coming to you.

Girls can be found in the basement food court or in the little popup shops in PasaRaya. Be a little careful in the main shopping complex as it's reasonably upmarket and propositioning the wrong girl could cause you trouble. BlokM Plaza and Mall or even Melawai Plaza are lower market and teeming with girls but language might be an issue.

Most hotels have in room massage with at least he and possibly FS if you completely strike out. Easy and convenient but quality is variable and you will pay for the convenience.

Enjoy, G.[/QUOTE]Appreciate your info -regards.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2257407]Any hotels near where a quick stroll to Bats / CJ's and back could give me same results?[/QUOTE]I find this funny. Walk to BATS or CJs. LOL!

There is indeed a D'Heaven in sout Jakarta its located in Widjaya Centre you can find at the end of the street on your left side.

Its in the same street of the restaurant called Kananga where they sell excellent sate babi and red pork with rice or bami that's excellent and good if you want to fuel yourself after your visit or before going to the'heaven.

I've been there many times its good for if you want to have a good fuck during the day time they are open from 10:00 until 22:00.

They have a good selection the only bad thing is that you don't meet the girl in person you will have to choose from a picture on the mamasan hand phone, but you can give your preference to the mamasan at the counter she will be glad to help you find your perfect girl.

The price is 750.000 rp for 1 hour of good fuck I enjoyed it any way.

I tried Dewi I forgot her number but she's nice and small.

I began with DATY and after that she sucked my dick very good.

After this I layed Dewi on her back and began fucking really good and fast.

Than I was time for doggy Dewi has a good little ass for it so I really slammed it against her butt.

It didn't took long before I really cummed in her pussy wow she was really tight and wet.

I definitely will go back to her.

You pay downstairs at the casiere no need to negotiate with the masseuse I really like that same system that Alexis had in the good old times I really miss that place in Ancol haahaha.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2257436]I find this funny. Walk to BATS or CJs. LOL![/QUOTE]In past have walked around Bangkok can walk to Soi Cow & Nana, Patts walk around, Phuket walk around, Kl walk to BC & TC, Phil walk around Angeles & Cebu bars, PP walk from hotel across road to Crycee, HCM walk around district 1 bars, HK Temple Street, Bali walk around clubs and around Legian / Seminyak & monument area. Just thought Jak might be the same. So is it heat or traffic or crowded sidewalk? Never been.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2257583]In past have walked around Bangkok can walk to Soi Cow & Nana, Patts walk around, Phuket walk around, Kl walk to BC & TC, Phil walk around Angeles & Cebu bars, PP walk from hotel across road to Crycee, HCM walk around district 1 bars, HK Temple Street, Bali walk around clubs and around Legian / Seminyak & monument area. Just thought Jak might be the same. So is it heat or traffic or crowded sidewalk? Never been.[/QUOTE]Jakarta is different. But no problem. I think you will like. Bluebird is your friend. My favorite nightspots are Malio / Malioboro, Emporium (any night of the week), CJ's & possibly BATS for FL pickups (especially on Friday and Saturday nights starting around 11 and going strong after midnight).

I always feel comfortable & safe. The food is good. The people are friendly. There are many hotels to choose from at various price points. AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THE GIRLS ARE GREAT! as in very sexy & very amourous in bed. The only negatives as far as I can see is that everything is spread out far & wide, there is not much to do during the day, and the traffic during the day and early evening is very congested. Think of Jakarta as a more exotic, less dangerous Manila with better food and arguably better looking girls.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2257586]Jakarta is different. But no problem. I think you will like. Bluebird is your friend. [/QUOTE]Agreed. For those who do not know, Bluebird is a taxi service. Unfortunately, Jakarta is not a place for walking.

Don't expect to be able to walk anywhere, and don't expect anything fun to start prior to 10 pm (Unless you want to go to brothels in the afternoon starting around 4 pm) and you will be fine in Jakarta. For me, the way to enjoy Jakarta is to sleep the entire day to be ready for the night. Then grab a taxi and head out. I know guys who spend all day long on Tinder lining up girls and other guys who like the brothels, but I like going out at night to the bars and chatting up free lance girls in person. I also find the karaokes to be good fun. I mainly go to BATS and CJs. Malio is good to play around with the dancers, but I haven't taken a girl upstairs there in years. I find the party atmosphere with the free lancers in the bar then take them to my place to be much more fun than a one hour brothel session. Then again, right now I have a girl living with me so I don't go anywhere.

We don't walk in these areas because there is nothing interesting to see. It's not like walking in Pattaya or Bangkok when you get to see girls everywhere and look into massage shops every few steps. I've walked from Lokasari to Hotel Travel to Berlian and Kimochi Mabes. I've walked Travel to Classic. I've walked Classic to Emporium to Malio. There's nothing to see and the streets are filthy. Bluebird taxi is your best friend in Jakarta. Dirt cheap.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2257590]Agreed. For those who do not know, Bluebird is a taxi service. Unfortunately, Jakarta is not a place for walking.

Don't expect to be able to walk anywhere, and don't expect anything fun to start prior to 10 pm (Unless you want to go to brothels in the afternoon starting around 4 pm) and you will be fine in Jakarta. For me, the way to enjoy Jakarta is to sleep the entire day to be ready for the night. Then grab a taxi and head out. I know guys who spend all day long on Tinder lining up girls and other guys who like the brothels, but I like going out at night to the bars and chatting up free lance girls in person. I also find the karaokes to be good fun. I mainly go to BATS and CJs. Malio is good to play around with the dancers, but I haven't taken a girl upstairs there in years. I find the party atmosphere with the free lancers in the bar then take them to my place to be much more fun than a one hour brothel session. Then again, right now I have a girl living with me so I don't go anywhere.[/QUOTE]Also for New Image.

The timezones for mongering in Indonesia are:

Pre 10 am, everyone is asleep, nothing is open, you will even struggle to find a cafe etc to get breakfast.

To 4 pm, options are mall hunting or online. Then most brothels and low end hotel based establishments open but don't expect them to be busy until much later.

6pm. Mid to high end mall hunting. Employed girls in food courts waiting for traffic to clear before bussing home

11 pm. High end bars and brothels start up getting busier as the night goes on. Blok M bars open with light crowds.

2 am onwards. Blok M, freelancers or discos (Fri and Sat nights).

Maybe walk to a near by mall for breakfast. Otherwise, Bluebird everywhere. Note that many taxis have look alike colours so check for a "Bluebird" label and motif.

Enjoy, G.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2257640]Bluebird taxi is your best friend in Jakarta. Dirt cheap.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2257695]Otherwise, Bluebird everywhere. Note that many taxis have look alike colours so check for a "Bluebird" label and motif.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2257590]Agreed. For those who do not know, Bluebird is a taxi service. Unfortunately, Jakarta is not a place for walking.[/QUOTE]Chiming in with my two cents. There is a Bluebird App available for iOS and Android. It will help you book a taxi in advance if you don't want the hassle of standing on the roadside and trying to differentiate between a Bluebird and a non-Bluebird taxi.

Also, there is GO JEK which works like Uber. You can get a Bluebird through the GO JEK app also. You can also get a moto-taxi through GO JEK. I use this often to counter the notorious Jakarta traffic. Sure, one can argue about its relative safety, but it is way faster than anything else on wheels.

Finally, there is Grab, which works exactly like Uber. Grab bought out Uber's operations in all of SEA a few months back and in turn, Uber has taken a financial stake in Grab. Grab is a Singaporean venture.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2257737]Chiming in with my two cents. There is a Bluebird App available for iOS and Android. It will help you book a taxi in advance if you don't want the hassle of standing on the roadside and trying to differentiate between a Bluebird and a non-Bluebird taxi.

Also, there is GO JEK which works like Uber. You can get a Bluebird through the GO JEK app also. You can also get a moto-taxi through GO JEK. I use this often to counter the notorious Jakarta traffic. Sure, one can argue about its relative safety, but it is way faster than anything else on wheels.

Finally, there is Grab, which works exactly like Uber. Grab bought out Uber's operations in all of SEA a few months back and in turn, Uber has taken a financial stake in Grab. Grab is a Singaporean venture.[/QUOTE]Great info Blankie! Thanks for posting this.

I wish we knew this when we were in Jakarta in August.

Would publicly like to acknowledge assistance from Natty be, Smoothy, Banana be, Goferring and Blanq. Your feedback gave me a much better understanding of the situation in Jakarta.

When I travel which is only twice per year I try to give detailed and useful information to benefit all. This exchange of information can only make all our experiences better. Once again Thankyou.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2257737]
Finally, there is Grab, which works exactly like Uber. Grab bought out Uber's operations in all of SEA a few months back and in turn, Uber has taken a financial stake in Grab. Grab is a Singaporean venture.[/QUOTE]I've wondered how Grab could exactly copy Uber and get away with it. Aren't there laws against that?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2257841]I've wondered how Grab could exactly copy Uber and get away with it. Aren't there laws against that?[/QUOTE]Ride hailing as a concept is not copyrighted to any firm. Every app looks and feels a bit different and uses different algorithms to produce the ultimate same result. A consumer gets a ride for a price. They also partner with different companies for GPS technology and Maps. So technically Grab isn't a copy of Uber. That said, both companies got a rap on their knuckles when the merger happened.

[URL]https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/grab-uber-fined-after-merger-deal-competition-watchdog-10751522[/URL]

Chicken feed IMHO considering the bigger picture. At last count Uber was making losses of $2 bn per annum and counting. The valuation is still fucking sky high. Sometimes I wonder what these Wall Street guys smoke, I would like some of that.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2257858]
Chicken feed IMHO considering the bigger picture. At last count Uber was making losses of $2 bn per annum and counting. The valuation is still fucking sky high. Sometimes I wonder what these Wall Street guys smoke, I would like some of that.[/QUOTE]That is indeed a good question. And Uber is not the only one. Amazon's profits are teeny compared too its valuation. Economics 101 would tell us that the system is one big Ponzee scheme. But it keeps chugging along.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2257737] Grab bought out Uber's operations in all of SEA a few months back and in turn, Uber has taken a financial stake in Grab.[/QUOTE]True - except for India. Uber still operates in India and considers it to be one of its core "strategic" markets.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2257858]
Chicken feed IMHO considering the bigger picture. At last count Uber was making losses of $2 bn per annum and counting. The valuation is still fucking sky high. Sometimes I wonder what these Wall Street guys smoke[/QUOTE] Uber will go public in 2019. I predict it will be the Hottest IPO of the year.

Wall Street always looks at the *potential future* earnings; the losses are considered an "investment" to build the business.

A good example is Netflix, which racks up losses year after year, yet enjoys a sky high valuation. As of December 4th, Netflix stock is trading at USD 275 per share.
Before the recent stock market decline, the stock price was around USD 340 per share. Fantastic valuation for a company with no profits.

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya;2257921] <snip> Amazon's profits are teeny compared too its valuation. Economics 101 would tell us that the system is one big Ponzee scheme. But it keeps chugging along.[/QUOTE]

Amazon is a different animal with a unique business model. Amazon does make a profit. For the last 4 Quarters, the profits have been growing.
The Amazon Web Services (AWS) business is a Cash cow. This business is growing roughly 40% per year.
Amazon does invest a lot of its earnings in its Infrastructure (Data Centers, Network, Warehouses etc).

Companies like Walmart, Target and others are struggling to keep up with Amazon because they do NOT have a Cash cow like AWS.
For the next 5 years, the Cloud will be the growth engine for Amazon and Microsoft.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2257858]Sometimes I wonder what these Wall Street guys smoke, I would like some of that.[/QUOTE]It's called low / no interest credit. And investment money, where's it supposed to go? American infrastructure?

Don't know which company you are thinking of. But netflix has made a profit every year since 2005.

[URL]https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/NFLX/netflix/net-income[/URL]

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2258043]True - except for India. Uber still operates in India and considers it to be one of its core "strategic" markets.

A good example is Netflix, which racks up losses year after year, yet enjoys a sky high valuation. As of December 4th, Netflix stock is trading at USD 275 per share.
Before the recent stock market decline, the stock price was around USD 340 per share. Fantastic valuation for a company with no profits.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;2258085]Don't know which company you are thinking of. But netflix has made a profit every year since 2005.

[URL]https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/NFLX/netflix/net-income[/URL][/QUOTE]I look at Cash Flow. You can play accounting games with other numbers on the Balance Sheet but not Cash Flow.
After a Company pays its expenses, taxes and other bills, is there any Cash left in the bank?

Netflix has negative Cash flow which means this company is spending MORE than it is EARNING. (See the negative sign in front of the numbers below).

[URL]https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/NFLX/netflix/cash-flow-from-operating-activities[/URL]

Netflix annual / quarterly cash flow from operating activities history and growth rate from 2006 to 2018. Cash flow from operating activities can be defined as a company's cash flows from operations.

Netflix cash flow from operating activities for the quarter ending September 30,2018 was $-1. 445 B, a 11.36% increase year-over-year.

Netflix cash flow from operating activities for the twelve months ending September 30,2018 was $-4. 223 B, a 5. 73% increase year-over-year.

Netflix annual cash flow from operating activities for 2017 was $-1. 786 B, a 21.16% increase from 2016.

Netflix annual cash flow from operating activities for 2016 was $-1. 474 B, a 96.68% increase from 2015.

Netflix annual cash flow from operating activities for 2015 was $-0. 749 B, a 4646.74% decline from 2014.

Theres another thread where you can burble on ad nauseum, all your facts on Uber, netflix and whatever else floats your boat. This one is about punting in Jakarta.

I will be in Jakarta for about 17 days over XMass and New Years.

Looking to work social media and have reactivated my dormant Badoo account.

I know another option is Tinder and I have read reports of guys having success on there on this thread.

Any other SM sites I am missing?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2259027]I will be in Jakarta for about 17 days over XMass and New Years.

Looking to work social media and have reactivated my dormant Badoo account.

I know another option is Tinder and I have read reports of guys having success on there on this thread.

Any other SM sites I am missing?[/QUOTE]Tantan. I have used it with reasonable success in China and Indonesia. It is a product from Tencent, the company that owns WeChat. So if you are not too concerned about the Chinese Government having access to your social media habits, then give it a spin.

I have heard good things about Indonesian Cupid as well, but never tried it myself. Already have a lot to handle.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2259125]Tantan. I have used it with reasonable success in China and Indonesia. It is a product from Tencent, the company that owns WeChat. So if you are not too concerned about the Chinese Government having access to your social media habits, then give it a spin.

I have heard good things about Indonesian Cupid as well, but never tried it myself. Already have a lot to handle.[/QUOTE]I've had succes with Indo Cupid 2 years ago, you need to be able to be a paying member to be able to read the PM's other people send you tho. From my personal experience I would say Tinder is enough on it's own.

Are there any good non Indo places to eat around Hotel Classic, Hotel Travel, Malio, or Kota Indah? I'm finding that I have to leave a bar at 9 pm so I can make it to a restaurant to eat by closing at 10 pm.

Quick weekend update.

Kota Indah. New Sari Ayu had 2 ok girls. Mamasan brought over who I would consider the best looking girl in the place and she turned around before she got to me, Guess she was dick scared (this is what guys on the Thailand forum say when girls clearly don't want to be with them)! Royal has very few girls and nothing remotely worth considering, Grand LA had 1 very nice girl but when she came up to me she seemed way too boring and not fun. My regular girl had the day off. I didn't even have to ask 3 mamasans came up to tell me. Starmoon didn't even get a chance to look. 2 mamasans ran up to me telling me Nanda 88 was upstairs. OK I thought I get to look around cause there were certainly a lot of girls there. Mamasans moved aside and Nanda was hiding right behind them, They were playing me.

Classic Hotel. Lots of girls tonight, Stayed for a couple of hours and couldn't find anyone. Was hoping someone hot was going to come out of a session. Yes I was being picky but tbh most girls were ugly or overweight linebackers. Likely talked to most of the best girls there too. Walked all the dark areas and did find one who looked great in the dark buried away in a corner with an Indo man. Too many guys. Not a fan of Classic on weekends.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2259146]New Sari Ayu had 2 ok girls. Mamasan brought over who I would consider the best looking girl in the place and she turned around before she got to me[/QUOTE]How can you possibly know that girl was the best looking in the place? It's damn difficult to know what those girls look like unless they are standing and lined up (which they are not). They normally sit in a group where you can hardly tell what they look like. The rooms at that place are far and away the nicest of any bar in that area though. The rooms there are about as nice as the ones at Hotel Classic. Last time I was there was with Mighty Spearsman from this forum. I haven't seen him post here in a while now, but I thought both of the girls we were with were very nice. The one I was with told me she had worked at Malioboro for 4 years already and had just recently moved to Sariayu but she was only 19. She said she started as a dancer at Malioboro.

If you didn't see any hot girls at Classic, they were likely already in the back with customers. Sometimes the hottest girls are booked in advance and don't come out often. I had one girl I liked there who I had to book a week in advance to be sure to get her. Sometimes the mamasans will say you can't book them, but you can if you arrange it and tip them. But they aren't always booked in advance. I went there once with a fellow forum member and she walked past us after just completing a session with another guy. He goes there quite often and had never seen her, but he couldn't believe how hot she was. I told him she was great and if he wanted her, he should jump her immediately. He ran over to her and took her. This was around 5 pm. He ended up spending the next 8 hours solid in the room with her he liked her so much.

There used to be a girl at LA about 15 years ago that I really liked. I would book her in advance and she would wait upstairs for me until I arrived so that no other guy would see her and try to take her. That's a rare occasion though because it's not often to find an extreme hotty that is worth going through that kind of trouble with.

OS decided to do some research on the Tanjung Priok bars which line Jalan Cilincing Raya at the Eastern end of Tanjung Priok port. A strip of maybe 300 meters of bars with all the lights and ladies in short skirts. From Central Jakarta, a 40 minute taxi ride to another world.

The Indonesian idea of bars is a place to get drunk, smoke like you are on death row and listen to super loud dangdut music. The ladies are the cream on top of the cake for those that aren't too drunk to enjoy them. Project that as their confidence with the concept of "sex for sale" as exists. Why bother staying sober when You can have one of these ladies anytime. Yesterday, tomorrow, today. Money and power in this country can open most sets of legs so tonight lets just drink and smoke.

So the Priok bars cater to seamen, truck drivers and the locals from the communities around the port. They get going about 9 PM and close at 3 AM. The ladies are a selection of too old and too young. Price is 300 000 minimum, 500 000 maximum, you take your lady down the road to the short time hotel which has rooms for 150 000 or 200 000 depending on whether you get a room with or without cockroaches.

Having spent a fair amount of time in seedy Jakarta bars OS's advice is don't be scared. The locals are curious, delighted to host you and far nicer than your instincts will be telling you. The girls will be real curious about that big bule thing you have between your legs and you may just be their first bule. Have a beer or two, ignore the rats and take in that you are sitting in the real thing and suck up that 120 decibel dangdut.

Then at the end of it all you can skulk back to central Jakarta and your 5 star hotel knowing you have just had a real Indonesian bar experience

New Medika is also a good place. I recently met a girl there who gave me the best BJ I have had in Asia. Amazing girl.

I like Joni Steak. A stone's throw from Classic. Open till 1 am.

[URL]https://bit.ly/2QMZ4RU[/URL]

I used bit ly as the URL from Google maps was too long didn't paste in properly.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2259146]Are there any good non Indo places to eat around Hotel Classic, Hotel Travel, Malio, or Kota Indah? I'm finding that I have to leave a bar at 9 pm so I can make it to a restaurant to eat by closing at 10 pm.[/QUOTE]

I'm in Jakarta February I like to visit there.

What's the adress to get into grab app?

Arrived back in Jakarta late on a Monday night. I would be flying out to Europe on the following day. Given the short time remaining in country, I wanted to avoid a so-so experience, and really wanted a good time. For convenience, I picked a hotel very close to Blok M. Certainly not my normal choice, but for a single short night it would be fine. Checked in, showered, tidied up, secured my valuables in the room safe, and walked round the corner into Jl. Faletehan.

It was about midnight when I walked into MyBar, and in contrast to my previous visit, on a weekend, the place was very quiet, in fact getting on for deserted. Seemed like I had made a big mistake. Had a beer, and popped in to the virtually next door the's Place, which was similarly quiet. Had a beer there then back to MyBar. By about one in the morning some more girls had drifted in and that lifted my spirits. In fact more girls arrived as the night progressed and although not as busy as a weekend, it was definitely OK.

My dancer friend from my previous visit was there, again enjoying herself on the dance floor, and providing a visual treat for the barflys such as myself. Chatted to her a few times and was happy to stand her a couple of drinks as a token of my appreciation. Again she was the front runner in my mental short list, but again she did not manage to cross the line, although had I been able to stay another few days I am sure that she would have.

Over on my left, I noticed a girl looking in my direction a couple of times. Worked my way over to her to check her out. She was cute, a bit younger than the average for the blok, and had a rather wholesome girl-next-door kind of demeanour. Definely gave the impression of being relatively low-mileage, but who knows. Anyway since time was not on my side I decided to pull the trigger. Offered 500 k and she seemed happy to agree. I was thinking LT and should have agreed a finishing time, but maybe I was just keen to get going.

So we walked out the bar together and round the corner to the hotel. It was a pleasure to give the taxi-mafia a body-swerve. She actually took my hand on that short walk, which I thought was a rather nice touch. Into the room, shower quickly, and into bed. Clothes off, she was every bit as attractive as she seemed in the darkness of the bar. Small boobs, but fine relative to everything else, and protuberant and responsive nipples, which for me is a great combination. Good kisser, and all-round excellent GFE.

Turned out she was 22. I went down for some prolonged pussy licking, which was well received. Swivelled into an enjoyable and leisurely 69. Out of 69, with me underneath and her on top. By now, she was well fired up and was sliding up and down, grinding my dick, and, when not DKF-ing, moaning gently. Seemed like she really wanted it, so, to cut a slightly longer story short, I went in BB. This was not part of the plan, especially since I had a cover at the ready, but I rather lost control. Eventually came hard inside. She was completely unperturbed, and after a clean up and shower we both got back into bed and crashed out.

A second round next morning would have been great, but I had a plane to catch, and the clock was ticking. The agreed amount was proferred but met with some resistance as she said that, in effect, she deserved more since the session was LT not short ST. Well, after a really good experience I was not going to argue and handed over 800 k (I think), which was received happily. Would definitely have repeated had the circumstance permitted.

Hey guys,

Been to Malioboro quite a few times. Trying to access the damage of going upstairs with one of the girls.

Also. Anyone know if it's possible to take one out?

Thanks!

Neems.

[QUOTE=Nemo798;2259900]Hey guys,

Been to Malioboro quite a few times. Trying to access the damage of going upstairs with one of the girls.

Also. Anyone know if it's possible to take one out?

Thanks!

Neems.[/QUOTE]It is possible to book them out but it is going to be expensive that it is not really worth the trouble. You are better off finding freelancers at CJ or BATS.

[QUOTE=Nemo798;2259900]...............Been to Malioboro quite a few times.................Neems.[/QUOTE]You have kept everyone on ISG waiting on your trip reports to Malioboro but all you're doing is asking questions.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2260201]You have kept everyone on ISG waiting on your trip reports to Malioboro but all you're doing is asking questions.[/QUOTE]My bad.

I mean, what's there really to report about Malioboro? It's pretty damn awesome. I tend to spend no more than an hour here each visit. Otherwise, I'd end up spending way too much money.

Last trip with clients from Singapore, we ordered a few towers of beer and boom, the girls started flocking in. Bought a few lady drinks and next thing you know the perky tits were all over my face.

It was a good time. One of the Chinese guys was literally getting a hand job with his pants on. Another guy was suckling teat.

Malioboro is a magical place.

That said, I've never gone upstairs so I don't know what the spend is like. If anyone knows what the costs are, please enlighten me. I'm having difficulty these days turning down girls making blowjob faces.

Neems.

[QUOTE=Nemo798;2259900]
Been to Malioboro quite a few times. Trying to access the damage of going upstairs with one of the girls.[/QUOTE]You've been to that brothel many times but never thought about going with one of the girls or asking about price for such? Very understandable.

[QUOTE=Nemo798;2260215]My bad.

I mean, what's there really to report about Malioboro? It's pretty damn awesome. I tend to spend no more than an hour here each visit. Otherwise, I'd end up spending way too much money.

Last trip with clients from Singapore, we ordered a few towers of beer and boom, the girls started flocking in. Bought a few lady drinks and next thing you know the perky tits were all over my face.

It was a good time. One of the Chinese guys was literally getting a hand job with his pants on. Another guy was suckling teat.

Malioboro is a magical place.

That said, I've never gone upstairs so I don't know what the spend is like. If anyone knows what the costs are, please enlighten me. I'm having difficulty these days turning down girls making blowjob faces.

Neems.[/QUOTE]Many nationalities available. They have recently got troops from Kazakhstan, pretty and eager to please. They would set you back by 2.7 juta. Same goes for Ukrainians, Russians and other white skin.

Viets go for 2.1, same as Chinese, Thai etc. Locals can be drilled for 1.2. They don't have Koreans or Indians or Pakistanis.

Hope this helps.

BL.

Goes by the name of Mareta. Got her from Twitter, but she no longer works with that handle. Picture attached. Thankfully first time I had her, I stored her number. Tits to die for, personality eager to please and by jolly. The best tongue work I have experienced. In a long long long time. Modus operandi. She can either come to you, or book a hotel and you meet her there. Absolutely love her pretty face, super tight and juicy kitty and tits which are all natural and handy. Writing this review has made me horny, so time for me to ping her again. Ciao.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2260395] Just curious, what did you pay these lasses from CJ's and BATS for their illustrious company? PM if you would rather keep it low profile.[/QUOTE]Hi Blanqi, I sent you a PM about the Hotel bar FL prices and another related issue. I have also moved the topic to the Jakarta thread.

Although I only picked up 3 hotel bar FL's this trip, I think all the FL girls in CJ's and Bats will, if asked how much they want for ST, respond with 2,000,000. I learned from my 1st no go at this with a Bats girl that got huffy, not to ask their price or negotiate price with these girls. So after the huffy girl incident, I just flirt with the girl of interest amd wait for her to make the opeing suggestion about going to my hotel room. I was surprised this trip how early the offer now comes in the conversation. These girls are not shy. LOL. And the offer usually comes in the form of the question, "where are you staying?" or "are you staying in this hotel?" Once a girl broaches the P4 P subject, and provided that I want the girl, I responded with "would you like to come to my room" or something along those lines. The FL will then say yes, she wants to go to my room, and it is at this point INSTEAD of asking her how much she wants, which will lead to the 2 mil answer and possible subsequent negotiations which might spoil the mood, I lead with my offer: I will give you 1. 5 mil. I tried this method on my last 2 hotel bar FL's and both girls straight up just accepted, BINGO, and we were off to good times in my room. Now some other punter may be able to get these girls for less thru negotiations. I don't know, but I was ok with giving them 1,500,000 and although each of my 3 girls were very different physically and personality wise, all 3 really performed and showed me a damn good time. Then before they departed, I tipped all 3 accordingly. Note: I didn't buy these girls a drink, not that I am against buying FL's a drink or two, but they were nursing their own drink at the time, so it was not neccessary.

Total cost per liason for me in CJ's and or Bats this trip was 1,500,000 + 400,000 to 500,000 tip and taxi fare ie 1,900,000 to 2,000,000 total. I do not include my vodka on the rocks in the calculation because I would have bought a drink for myself regardless.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2260706]Hi Blanqi, I sent you a PM about the Hotel bar FL prices and another related issue. I have also moved the topic to the Jakarta thread.

Although I only picked up 3 hotel bar FL's this trip, I think all the FL girls in CJ's and Bats will, if asked how much they want for ST, respond with 2,000,000. I learned from my 1st no go at this with a Bats girl that got huffy, not to ask their price or negotiate price with these girls. So after the huffy girl incident, I just flirt with the girl of interest amd wait for her to make the opeing suggestion about going to my hotel room. I was surprised this trip how early the offer now comes in the conversation. These girls are not shy. LOL. And the offer usually comes in the form of the question, "where are you staying?" or "are you staying in this hotel?" Once a girl broaches the P4 P subject, and provided that I want the girl, I responded with "would you like to come to my room" or something along those lines. The FL will then say yes, she wants to go to my room, and it is at this point INSTEAD of asking her how much she wants, which will lead to the 2 mil answer and possible subsequent negotiations which might spoil the mood, I lead with my offer: I will give you 1. 5 mil. I tried this method on my last 2 hotel bar FL's and both girls straight up just accepted, BINGO, and we were off to good times in my room. Now some other punter may be able to get these girls for less thru negotiations. I don't know, but I was ok with giving them 1,500,000 and although each of my 3 girls were very different physically and personality wise, all 3 really performed and showed me a damn good time. Then before they departed, I tipped all 3 accordingly. Note: I didn't buy these girls a drink, not that I am against buying FL's a drink or two, but they were nursing their own drink at the time, so it was not neccessary.

Total cost per liason for me in CJ's and or Bats this trip was 1,500,000 + 400,000 to 500,000 tip and taxi fare ie 1,900,000 to 2,000,000 total. I do not include my vodka on the rocks in the calculation because I would have bought a drink for myself regardless.[/QUOTE]I usually offer 2 million + tip for LT and that seems to be the acceptable standard there. I seldom do ST with the girls from CJ since I don't like to rush and I enjoy my morning romp. 1 to 1. 5 million is what I usually offer for ST for her friend in a threesome. Hopefully pricing has stayed relatively stable within this range among these freelancers there.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2260706]Hi Blanqi, I sent you a PM about the Hotel bar FL prices and another related issue. I have also moved the topic to the Jakarta thread.

Although I only picked up 3 hotel bar FL's this trip, I think all the FL girls in CJ's and Bats will, if asked how much they want for ST, respond with 2,000,000. I learned from my 1st no go at this with a Bats girl that got huffy, not to ask their price or negotiate price with these girls. So after the huffy girl incident, I just flirt with the girl of interest amd wait for her to make the opeing suggestion about going to my hotel room. I was surprised this trip how early the offer now comes in the conversation. These girls are not shy. LOL. And the offer usually comes in the form of the question, "where are you staying?" or "are you staying in this hotel?" Once a girl broaches the P4 P subject, and provided that I want the girl, I responded with "would you like to come to my room" or something along those lines. The FL will then say yes, she wants to go to my room, and it is at this point INSTEAD of asking her how much she wants, which will lead to the 2 mil answer and possible subsequent negotiations which might spoil the mood, I lead with my offer: I will give you 1. 5 mil. I tried this method on my last 2 hotel bar FL's and both girls straight up just accepted, BINGO, and we were off to good times in my room. Now some other punter may be able to get these girls for less thru negotiations. I don't know, but I was ok with giving them 1,500,000 and although each of my 3 girls were very different physically and personality wise, all 3 really performed and showed me a damn good time. Then before they departed, I tipped all 3 accordingly. Note: I didn't buy these girls a drink, not that I am against buying FL's a drink or two, but they were nursing their own drink at the time, so it was not neccessary.

Total cost per liason for me in CJ's and or Bats this trip was 1,500,000 + 400,000 to 500,000 tip and taxi fare ie 1,900,000 to 2,000,000 total. I do not include my vodka on the rocks in the calculation because I would have bought a drink for myself regardless.[/QUOTE]Many times the girls do not even mention price at all and just rely on you to give them a fair amount. I don't do long time with the girls so I will not say anything about a long time price. I prefer that they leave after I cum once. However, I have taken many girls short time. That being said, a short time for me means that right after I cum, they can leave. That may be within an hour or may be 5 hours later (not that I have sex for 5 hours, but many times I will joke around with them before we have sex). Whenever the girls have negotiated price up front, I don't give them more than 1. 5 million short time. Normal price these days is 1 million short time. I have given some girls 2 million short time on occasion, but that was when they were absolutely great fun GFE's during the night and also great in bed in my place and did not negotiate any price up front. It's kind of my way of rewarding them for not asking a price up front. Usually the ones who do not ask a price up front are the best experiences.

This place was awesome. I never used the lounges there or took Shabu there but is there any place like it that is now in operation in Jakarta?

I would love to go and let those lights hit and dancing all night with a couple of Indo chicas. I would also do sexy time with them but that is of course.

Also is Shabu the equivalent of Molly in the West? I have read that it is like meth but it seemed more like ecstasy type thing to me, though I never partook.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2260815]Many times the girls do not even mention price at all and just rely on you to give them a fair amount. I don't do long time with the girls so I will not say anything about a long time price. I prefer that they leave after I cum once. However, I have taken many girls short time. That being said, a short time for me means that right after I cum, they can leave. That may be within an hour or may be 5 hours later (not that I have sex for 5 hours, but many times I will joke around with them before we have sex). Whenever the girls have negotiated price up front, I don't give them more than 1. 5 million short time. Normal price these days is 1 million short time. I have given some girls 2 million short time on occasion, but that was when they were absolutely great fun GFE's during the night and also great in bed in my place and did not negotiate any price up front. It's kind of my way of rewarding them for not asking a price up front. Usually the ones who do not ask a price up front are the best experiences.[/QUOTE]I'm curious, what are the girls charged to enter and do they get discounts on drinks? A drink is around $10-15 in BATS and CJs right?

I'm trying to understand why the price suddenly inflates in those venues.

I was in Jakarta stayed atn yello harmoni nice & good hotel, went to malio the day I arrived was an OK experience since last visit. Visited bats on a Saturday night had a rocking time there good music and nice crowd was approached by a few FL but as they were not my type told them the same. Was approached by an good looking indo but she told upfront wanted 2 mil but I countered with 1 mil and she left. Then an young nubile 22 year old came and was flirting bought her an beer and was dancing and feeling her over she did not discuss any price till we were ready to leave, I offered her 1 mil as did not want to have any issues later on. She told me pay what you want, reached hotel and had an great night & she left at 5 in the morning paid her 1 mil only. Next night visited cjs was empty around 11 pm maybe as it was a Sunday night. There were more FL than clients music and live music was good was approached by little older milfs but was not interested in them. Than a chubby little young babe with a nice smile came and sat on next bar stool was flirting I was not very keen as chubby are not my type and I told her I was tired which I was after a weeks vacation in Bali and Jakarta. She slowly started to rub my back and give a shoulder massage and then she came and stood in front andv started gyrating and had me by my nuts after flirting for a while and we left for the hotel I told her I would pay her 1 mil without her asking as did not want issues later. She was great company we had 2 rounds with all available except anal. I had my best vacation even better than Pattaya or Bangkok.

[QUOTE=OldSchool318;2260851]This place was awesome. I never used the lounges there or took Shabu there but is there any place like it that is now in operation in Jakarta?

I would love to go and let those lights hit and dancing all night with a couple of Indo chicas. I would also do sexy time with them but that is of course.

Also is Shabu the equivalent of Molly in the West? I have read that it is like meth but it seemed more like ecstasy type thing to me, though I never partook.[/QUOTE]Ah ah I'll be in Jakarta all February and I'm looking for the same as you.

I ever hear about a club named Puja sera in the north I will try it soon.

I'm not expert that's just some rumors that I hear.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2260859]I'm curious, what are the girls charged to enter and do they get discounts on drinks? A drink is around $10-15 in BATS and CJs right?

I'm trying to understand why the price suddenly inflates in those venues.[/QUOTE]They have to buy a drink to enter. No discount.

But the main reason the price is inflated is that businessmen looking for sex have read about those places on the internet and they are the only places to find English speaking tarts. Prior to the internet, the prices were low. They were still slightly more than the girls who speak no English in other venues, but they weren't outrageous like they are now.

[QUOTE=MaxAircon;2259631]Arrived back in Jakarta late on a Monday night. I would be flying out to Europe on the following day. Given the short time remaining in country, I wanted to avoid a so-so experience, and really wanted a good time. For convenience, I picked a hotel very close to Blok M. Certainly not my normal choice, but for a single short night it would be fine. Checked in, showered, tidied up, secured my valuables in the room safe, and walked round the corner into Jl. Faletehan.

It was about midnight when I walked into MyBar, and in contrast to my previous visit, on a weekend, the place was very quiet, in fact getting on for deserted. Seemed like I had made a big mistake. Had a beer, and popped in to the virtually next door the's Place, which was similarly quiet. Had a beer there then back to MyBar. By about one in the morning some more girls had drifted in and that lifted my spirits. In fact more girls arrived as the night progressed and although not as busy as a weekend, it was definitely OK.

My dancer friend from my previous visit was there, again enjoying herself on the dance floor, and providing a visual treat for the barflys such as myself. Chatted to her a few times and was happy to stand her a couple of drinks as a token of my appreciation. Again she was the front runner in my mental short list, but again she did not manage to cross the line, although had I been able to stay another few days I am sure that she would have.

Over on my left, I noticed a girl looking in my direction a couple of times. Worked my way over to her to check her out. She was cute, a bit younger than the average for the blok, and had a rather wholesome girl-next-door kind of demeanour. Definely gave the impression of being relatively low-mileage, but who knows. Anyway since time was not on my side I decided to pull the trigger. Offered 500 k and she seemed happy to agree. I was thinking LT and should have agreed a finishing time, but maybe I was just keen to get going.

So we walked out the bar together and round the corner to the hotel. It was a pleasure to give the taxi-mafia a body-swerve. She actually took my hand on that short walk, which I thought was a rather nice touch. Into the room, shower quickly, and into bed. Clothes off, she was every bit as attractive as she seemed in the darkness of the bar. Small boobs, but fine relative to everything else, and protuberant and responsive nipples, which for me is a great combination. Good kisser, and all-round excellent GFE.

Turned out she was 22. I went down for some prolonged pussy licking, which was well received. Swivelled into an enjoyable and leisurely 69. Out of 69, with me underneath and her on top. By now, she was well fired up and was sliding up and down, grinding my dick, and, when not DKF-ing, moaning gently. Seemed like she really wanted it, so, to cut a slightly longer story short, I went in BB. This was not part of the plan, especially since I had a cover at the ready, but I rather lost control. Eventually came hard inside. She was completely unperturbed, and after a clean up and shower we both got back into bed and crashed out.

A second round next morning would have been great, but I had a plane to catch, and the clock was ticking. The agreed amount was proferred but met with some resistance as she said that, in effect, she deserved more since the session was LT not short ST. Well, after a really good experience I was not going to argue and handed over 800 k (I think), which was received happily. Would definitely have repeated had the circumstance permitted.[/QUOTE]Hi read your post and it's nice to know that there is still a bit of talent in Blok M, I hang out in My Bar when I am in Jakarta so I am looking forward to some new "gems" when I get there in a few days. About BB I know it's a bit scary with all of the diseases around so I have never done BB with any of the girls whenever I visit, except for my last visit. Which I was a bit reckless. I have know here for about 4 years off / on and met her in June 2018. It just happened by her doing and I went along with it. My point. Although we must be worried about diseases, I also had another frightful thought as well. What if they claim that they are pregnant, that can be very hard to deal with from another country. It happened to me once before in Barbados, went in BB at her request and a few days later got the message. That's another big worry.

Not sure what will happen on this trip as I will meet her again, she knows that I am coming to Jakarta. Oh well just my POV.

[QUOTE=Bkk212;2262058] It happened to me once before in Barbados, went in BB at her request and a few days later got the message.
[/QUOTE]A few days later?

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2259977]It is possible to book them out but it is going to be expensive that it is not really worth the trouble. You are better off finding freelancers at CJ or BATS.[/QUOTE]Last I checked the Malio takeout price was 5 vouchers, so 5 times the in-hotel ST rate. Service standards are supposed to be higher, and probably are slightly better if you get the mamasan to give the girl a pep talk on the way out but it is a lot of money to pay for a mediocre service guarantee. Mind you, one of the best all-night BJs I ever got was from a Malio book-out experience when I was too horny and drunk to count. She was a one-timer though — next time I visited she had apparently been snapped up on permanent assignment to some rich bule. On balance I'the say stick with the FLs at CJs or BATS. They may be less predictable, but what's life without a little suspense.

[QUOTE=HenrySugar;2262191]Last I checked the Malio takeout price was 5 vouchers, so 5 times the in-hotel ST rate. Service standards are supposed to be higher, and probably are slightly better if you get the mamasan to give the girl a pep talk on the way out but it is a lot of money to pay for a mediocre service guarantee. Mind you, one of the best all-night BJs I ever got was from a Malio book-out experience when I was too horny and drunk to count. She was a one-timer though next time I visited she had apparently been snapped up on permanent assignment to some rich bule. On balance I'the say stick with the FLs at CJs or BATS. They may be less predictable, but what's life without a little suspense.[/QUOTE]At 1001, each voucher costs 600 K and 1 million depending on the girl's assigned level. For 5 vouchers, we are talking 3 to 5 million. Is the voucher price at Malio equivalent to 1001?

Malio: 400 K-900 K-1100 K x 5 plus tax.

[QUOTE=Questner;2262333]Malio: 400 K-900 K-1100 K x 5 plus tax.[/QUOTE]But how much did you pay?

[QUOTE=Questner;2262333]Malio: 400 K-900 K-1100 K x 5 plus tax.[/QUOTE]900 & 1100 is the price for the couch girls. So if 5 x is the take out price, then that comes to 4. 5 mil to 5. 5 mil for couch girl take out. Crazy! But read on....

2 mil or 3 mil is the price for Malio Dancers in house. Don't ask me what distinguishes one dancer's price from another's other than the girl's whimsy. All I know is some dancers asked me for 2 mil while other dancers asked me for 3 mil for in house all the way service. Maybe the 3 mil dancers did not want to shag me. I have no idea. But, applying the same 5 x math; a Malio dancer's official takeout price is either 10 mil or 15 mil which is seriously crazy unless you are rolling in cash and just don't care, LOL, especially since many of these same girls offered to meet me after hours or on their days off.

Examples from my last visit to Jakarta; my favorite repeat Malioboro couch girl and a couple of my Malio dancers were not only into seeing me on the outside, they suggested it! I figured they were into it because a clandestine hook up meant more money going directly to them, not the house and because they already knew me sexually speaking and knew there would not be any negative surprises. One hot dancer even accepted my 500 k in room extra tip offer and shagged me. Total out of pocket for that girl was 1 mil for an in-room bbbj (official price) plus 500 k tip directly to her for a full in room bareback ride. I really liked that girl! My point being, many things can be arranged privately between the customer and the girls, but first you have be willing to do a girl by the house rules before you can move on to more intimate relations with her. So, IMHO, it is better to session the girls in house until the opportunity arises to meet them outside. It won't take very long for the opportunity to arise and the girl to make her offer. The addtional benefit of this wait and see approach, aside from saving considerable money, is you willl end up entertaining in your private hotel room only proven Malio girls that you really like.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2262348] a couple of my Malio dancers were not only into seeing me on the outside, they suggested it! [/QUOTE]In my experience, it is only the dancers who do this. I have never had one of the non dancers meet me at my place, but the dancers are normally up for it.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2262348]But, applying the same 5 x math; a Malio dancer's official takeout price is either 10 mil or 15 mil which is seriously crazy unless you are rolling in cash and just don't care, LOL, especially since many of these same girls offered to meet me after hours or on their days off.

......

My point being, many things can be arranged privately between the customer and the girls, but first you have be willing to do a girl by the house rules before you can move on to more intimate relations with her. So, IMHO, it is better to session the girls in house until the opportunity arises to meet them outside. It won't take very long for the opportunity to arise and the girl to make her offer. The addtional benefit of this wait and see approach, aside from saving considerable money, is you willl end up entertaining in your private hotel room only proven Malio girls that you really like.[/QUOTE]15 jt / mo would be a good rate for a hottie's 24/7 long term availability in a contract wedding. Offer it for one night to anyone outside the facility and you will be mobbed.

I'm not making any judgements on others choices. Just saying here are wildly different ways to spend the same $$.

Enjoy, G.

[QUOTE=Bkk212;2262058]Although we must be worried about diseases, I also had another frightful thought as well. What if they claim that they are pregnant, that can be very hard to deal with from another country. It happened to me once before in Barbados, went in BB at her request and a few days later got the message. That's another big worry.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. These girls try every trick in the book to get money out of a monger.

I had recently reported on the Makati thread about a similar experience. The girl called in less than a week after we fucked BB to say she is possibly pregnant. I asked her to get a pregnancy test kit and take the test over a video call. The next day she says she is not pregnant, just a false alarm.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2259422]OS decided to do some research on the Tanjung Priok bars which line Jalan Cilincing Raya at the Eastern end of Tanjung Priok port. A strip of maybe 300 meters of bars with all the lights and ladies in short skirts. From Central Jakarta, a 40 minute taxi ride to another world.

The Indonesian idea of bars is a place to get drunk, smoke like you are on death row and listen to super loud dangdut music. The ladies are the cream on top of the cake for those that aren't too drunk to enjoy them. Project that as their confidence with the concept of "sex for sale" as exists. Why bother staying sober when You can have one of these ladies anytime. Yesterday, tomorrow, today. Money and power in this country can open most sets of legs so tonight lets just drink and smoke.

So the Priok bars cater to seamen, truck drivers and the locals from the communities around the port. They get going about 9 PM and close at 3 AM. The ladies are a selection of too old and too young. Price is 300 000 minimum, 500 000 maximum, you take your lady down the road to the short time hotel which has rooms for 150 000 or 200 000 depending on whether you get a room with or without cockroaches.

Having spent a fair amount of time in seedy Jakarta bars OS's advice is don't be scared. The locals are curious, delighted to host you and far nicer than your instincts will be telling you. The girls will be real curious about that big bule thing you have between your legs and you may just be their first bule. Have a beer or two, ignore the rats and take in that you are sitting in the real thing and suck up that 120 decibel dangdut.

Then at the end of it all you can skulk back to central Jakarta and your 5 star hotel knowing you have just had a real Indonesian bar experience[/QUOTE]Thanks, great post!

[QUOTE=Goferring;2262363]15 jt / mo would be a good rate for a hottie's 24/7 long term availability in a contract wedding. [/QUOTE]How long are these hottie LT wedding contracts designed to last? A month, 6 months, a year? I can see the point in arranging for a short 30-day contract with a gorgeous 9* Indonesian magazine model or aspiring actress, maybe, but I probably would not be able to last out the full term of the agreement. 555. As Charlie Sheen once famously said: "Every time you see a gorgeous girl, there's a guy tired of banging her!"

I spoke with a few import dancers on a contract there and they make money on drinks, in fact I witnessed their interest only in dancing and drinking. Also they were not allowed to buy drinks for themselves. They live there too, so it's f. Hotel California for them.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2262715]How long are these hottie LT wedding contracts designed to last? A month, 6 months, a year? I can see the point in arranging for a short 30-day contract with a gorgeous 9* Indonesian magazine model or aspiring actress, maybe, but I probably would not be able to last out the full term of the agreement.[/QUOTE]As long as you want them to be. Arab muslims commonly use them while being in town for 1 month so that they are "married" for that period and not living in sin. Expats did use them for 12 months to have a defined "divorce" amount and no separation dramas when, as you say, the inevitable happened. This seems less common now.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2262715]As Charlie Sheen once famously said: "Every time you see a gorgeous girl, there's a guy tired of banging her!"[/QUOTE]Hahaha. So true. I'm no oil painting but I once broke up with someone because of nail polish. Bit*h kept wearing that purple shit and getting on my nerves. . . . Sometimes there is just too much choice. LOL.

I'm a long time lurker and thought I better register and contribute although I don't have much to say which hasn't been said many times before.

Regular visitor to Jakarta but with usually only one night to spare and a full day in the office to follow which limits my activities to a certain extent.

I normally head to Classic Level 5 as it is so easy. I've had mixed experiences but nothing bad. Last time was the most disappointing as there was no kissing and it was quite rushed but for the money, who cares when you get to hook up with the tiniest little spinner going!

The time before was awesome, lots of DFK whilst I fingered her tight pussy for what seemed like hours. Before sex she sucked my balls like there was no tomorrow before the best rim job ever. At that point I slightly regretted the kissing.

We finished with a naked piggy back ride around the room which seemed a little bizarre.

For the money, this place is out this world. I've tried 2 girls but I haven't got the stamina my to control 2 at once so I tend to stick to just 1.

I'm heading there now and I'm horny just thinking about it. I'm not too picky- the mms usually asks whether I want a slim girl and I take what I'm given. Perhaps I should try harder!

One of these days I'll try something else and go for takeout but Block M is too far from the Harris Vertu where I stay and Malio is close but expensive. Any recommendations?

[QUOTE=JonnoS;2262943] lots of DFK before the best rim job ever. At that point I slightly regretted the kissing.[/QUOTE]This is why I never kiss any of the girls in the brothels. You are basically licking another man's asshole doing that.

JonnoS, Block M is only 30 min ride from Harris Vertu when traffic is good.

[QUOTE=Questner;2263154]JonnoS, Block M is only 30 min ride from Harris Vertu when traffic is good.[/QUOTE]You can take the busway from Harris Vertu to Blok M in 30 minutes for 25 cents US.

[QUOTE=JonnoS;2262943]I'm a long time lurker and thought I better register and contribute although I don't have much to say which hasn't been said many times before.[/QUOTE]Go Jonno!, nothing like a fresh view of the world compared to us jaded old hacks. Just remember!, no erections on the aircraft, if so, put a blanket over it.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2262362]In my experience, it is only the dancers who do this. I have never had one of the non dancers meet me at my place, but the dancers are normally up for it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2262348] a couple of my Malio dancers were not only into seeing me on the outside, they suggested it! [/QUOTE]I had a great experience with a dancer from the upstairs lounge recently. One of the best sessions I've ever had in Jakarta. She wanted to go bare back during the session but I refused and then said how about CIM which I accepted! Afterwards she spoke about seeing me outside and even accompanying me on trip to Bali I had mentioned I was thinking about. She also said she owned a car and would be happy to drive me to the airport. If I needed a lift. I hope to see her again.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2263312]Just remember!, no erections on the aircraft, if so, put a blanket over it.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of this video around the 1:08 mark.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGBxYo_tFuA[/URL]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2262986]This is why I never kiss any of the girls in the brothels. You are basically licking another man's asshole doing that.[/QUOTE]Are you saying the girls do not wash or clean after finishing with a client?

I have never been there. But if I have to guess, maybe 25% fall in the category you described.

Couple of reports (posted earlier) said most girls carry a kit which has mouthwash and other personal cleaning supplies.
Hopefully, they do use the contents of their kit!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2263215]You can take the busway from Harris Vertu to Blok M in 30 minutes for 25 cents US.[/QUOTE]Thank you. Sometimes I do public transportation when it's justified. Taxi is only $3. 45. Taking public transportation to go out and f--k has always felt too depressing for me. It's like commuting for a job. Also most taxi drivers I met were super nice guys and it's door to door with aircon and pleasant music all for 50 K.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2257737]Finally, there is Grab, which works exactly like Uber. Grab bought out Uber's operations in all of SEA a few months back and in turn, Uber has taken a financial stake in Grab. Grab is a Singaporean venture.[/QUOTE]I exclusively used Grab on this recent trip. 2 times I did not I used Bluebird and Siiverbird. The Silverbird was from the airport since I did not feel like waiting in queue for 67 Bluebird taxis. It was a fiasco to say the least and I may or may not post the incident one day. Had to use Bluebird once since there were just no Grab cars available.

Grab car. I ONLY used the 5 star rated drivers in Grab cars (not Grab taxis). The price difference is nominal and all but one driver was in a newer if not new vehicle, usually a small SUV or crossover. The only one driver not in a new vehicle was in a really old junkie car that was super dirty. I almost asked him how he got to be 5 stars when I got in the car but luckily I didn't since he turned out to be a super nice guy. After the long ride to Pluit I knew why everyone rated him 5 stars. All drivers were friendly and made sure you got good service and they dropped you off exactly where you wanted to keep their 5 star rating. 5 star Grab cars usually costed between 11 k and 16 k rupiah depending on where I was going. What I really liked was if I wanted to go to Kota Indah I no longer had to explain to the driver where Kota Indah / Pangjay were since my Grab destination was on their GPS. I also liked the efficient cashless transaction through my credit card. I did tip some drivers if their drive was through traffic or they got me somewhere really quickly.

Pro tip. If you change your destination part way through a ride it will end up costing you a lot more even if the new destination is closer. Also, if you do a geo location for a driver to pick you up it may be more expensive that if you punch in a store name for a driver to pick you up from. From Kota Indah I walked to the auto dealership on Pangeran Jayakarta.

I also used Grab in Kuala Lumpur and they were good as well.

Sadly, I am back in Pattaya now where Grab has decided to be greedy SOB's and match the taxi pricing of the taxi mafia.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2263669]I exclusively used Grab on this recent trip. 2 times I did not I used Bluebird and Siiverbird. The Silverbird was from the airport since I did not feel like waiting in queue for 67 Bluebird taxis. It was a fiasco to say the least and I may or may not post the incident one day. Had to use Bluebird once since there were just no Grab cars available.[/QUOTE]When I arrived last time, it was raining, crowded, and there were no cars at all. So I took the train for 70 k and there was almost nobody on it. Not bad at all. I had to take a taxi from the train station when the train arrived at it's destination, but it wasn't far for me from there. In the end, it took me an hour to get home. Had I taken a taxi, it would have been longer due to that rain.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2263669]Grab cars usually costed between 11 k and 16 k rupiah depending on where I was going. [/QUOTE]Don't you normally stay at the Red Top Hotel? Going from the Red Top Hotel near Emporivm to the Mangga Dua mall area won't cost much anyway and likely won't be a traffic issue. I think you might even be able to take a bajaj. It's safe taking grab cars for such a short distance. However, I stay much further away. I hate using grab cars to come from my place to that area because the grab car drivers want to use a GPS and the GPS never gives them the most clever route so we are almost always stuck in ridiculous traffic. They don't want to change their route even when they are stuck in traffic because their fare was based on that route. Sure, the price of the ride is cheaper, but my time is worth more than a few dollars to me so I don't prefer to sit in traffic for hours.

I am on my way to Jakarta now.

Do any of you guys know when ladies' night is in CJs and Bats? I've been to Ladies' night at CJs and it was packed with hotties. But I forgwt which day of the week it was.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2263802]I am on my way to Jakarta now.

Do any of you guys know when ladies' night is in CJs and Bats? I've been to Ladies' night at CJs and it was packed with hotties. But I forgwt which day of the week it was.[/QUOTE]Ladies night at CJs is Wednesday night. Ladies night at BATS is Sunday night (not nearly as good a night to have a ladies night).

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2263804]Ladies night at CJs is Wednesday night. Ladies night at BATS is Sunday night (not nearly as good a night to have a ladies night).[/QUOTE]Thanks will check both out and will probably head to BATS on Friday night.

If anyone wants to meet up there PM me. Happy to meet any regular BMs.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2263804]Ladies night at CJs is Wednesday night. [/QUOTE]I was in see. CJs on a Wednesday (Ladies) night about three months ago. Admittedly I was well liquored up but I didn't notice the difference to any other night. What's the difference with Ladies Night, I'm clearly missing something here?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2264057]I was in see. CJs on a Wednesday (Ladies) night about three months ago. Admittedly I was well liquored up but I didn't notice the difference to any other night. What's the difference with Ladies Night, I'm clearly missing something here?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I haven't been there on a ladies night in a long time because I don't like crowds. I prefer a night like Sunday night where there are very few guys and all the every night girls are there. Ladies night the girls get in free so some girls who don't normally go to CJs will show up, and there are also normally more guys than usual simply because they know it's ladies night. That being said, some of the top girls do not show up that night because the prices drop that night due to the large number of girls.

I heard a rumor that there is no ladies night where the girls get in free at CJs anymore, but I have no confirmation on that. For many years it was Wednesday night.

Arrived in Jakarta for my New Year trip and it hasn't started well for me. Went out to My Bar (usual spot) and saw some new faces in the crowd as well as some of the regulars that always try to hit me up for drinks. There were quite a few "gems" in the crowd last night hopefully they will return again. Ok my story, just hanging out and looking over the scenery when I got hooked up with one of the on stage dancers, that felt really good. Not sure who they work for but she was one of the dancers in costume working for the bar I guess. Ok so it wasn't all my doing I had help to meet her. This person I have always tried to avoid, I think she is a mamasan brought her over and introduced her to me. We hit it off quite well until she stared drinking and couldn't stop. She went from drink to drink and seemed to never stop. Well silly me decided to take her back to the hotel, big mistake. She was drunk when we got to the hotel and speaking loudly made quite an entrance to the lobby. Nonetheless to say I was a bit shaken by this but soldiered on as I got to dance with one of the dancers while most of the other guys were trying to as well, there were 4 of them. But in the room it went downhill very fast, from being tired to being sick to just wanted to sleep. I had to give up trying any move on her. Not a first good day experience, but it can only get better from tonight on wards. Must say though in the past I knew how to spot women like this, I must be losing my touch.

[QUOTE=Bkk212;2264178]Arrived in Jakarta for my New Year trip and it hasn't started well for me. Went out to My Bar (usual spot) <snip> a mamasan brought her over and introduced her to me. We hit it off quite well until she stared drinking and couldn't stop. She went from drink to drink and seemed to never stop. Well silly me decided to take her back to the hotel, big mistake. <snip> But in the room it went downhill very fast, from being tired to being sick to just wanted to sleep. I had to give up trying any move on her. Not a first good day experience, but it can only get better from tonight on wards. Must say though in the past I knew how to spot women like this, I must be losing my touch.[/QUOTE]I have been there, done that more times than I can remember with girls that had one to four too many drinks or Ludes (LOL) and could not perform on the night in question, but didn't you get in a quality morning shag? Girls are usually grateful for being taken care of when they are wasted and indisposed.

Anyway, "it can only get better from tonight onwards. " Rock on!

Ok so fortunately I hooked up with a cute girl from date site for my first day and things were good. She was going to stay for 2 days. We haggled a bit over whatsapp and I thought she might be a bit mercenary but we came to an agreement. She showed up was cute, seemed sweet and we got along well. In the morning she got a call from her uncle about her mom being in hospital. She had to go which was fine but she spent about an hour trying to convince me to give her the money for the second day with the promise that she would return in the future. I gave her the agreed upon money for one day. I refused to give her money for second day which she promised she would come back for in the future. Now the unfortunate part. She left sent a few texts to ask for money then asked to come back to room and then she came up with an ultimatum that I put $300 in her bank account within 2 hours or she would go to police. All of these I ignored. I have pretty much made up my mind to ignore this black mail attempt.

Curious if anyone has any advice. I think the chats themselves pretty well identify that I didn't harm her if she goes to the police to try and claim that but I have no idea whether police here are reasonable or if they would be interested in working with her to get a cut, etc. An alternative would be for me to preempt her and go to the police to report what she is trying to do but I have doubts as to whether that would go over well. Any advice throw it up in this section please, unfortunately I cannot receive pms on here.

Hopefully I can put this behind me and have a great trip. Later I can post pic of her so others can avoid also.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2264407]Curious if anyone has any advice. I think the chats themselves pretty well identify that I didn't harm her if she goes to the police to try and claim that but I have no idea whether police here are reasonable or if they would be interested in working with her to get a cut, etc. An alternative would be for me to preempt her and go to the police to report what she is trying to do but I have doubts as to whether that would go over well. Any advice throw it up in this section please, unfortunately I cannot receive pms on here..[/QUOTE]The Sick Relative ploy is a commonly used scam. It's good you didn't give her the money. You can tell from her attempt at extortion that everything was a scam. Your best bet in future is to give the girls very little information about yourself and no idea about your plans. Change hotels often and make yourself unavailable at the slightest sign of trouble.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2264187]I have been there, done that more times than I can remember with girls that had one to four too many drinks or Ludes (LOL) and could not perform on the night in question, but didn't you get in a quality morning shag? Girls are usually grateful for being taken care of when they are wasted and indisposed.

Anyway, "it can only get better from tonight onwards. " Rock on![/QUOTE]Not in Jakarta but elsewhere we put a girl in hospital once with alcohol poisoning. An 80 lb newbie who tried to keep up with the big girls drinking tequila. Went back to the bar a couple of days later to check with mama how she was and to our surprise she popped up and apologised for dampening our night!!

Her attitude deserved a few days extra BF and she turned out to be an absolute doll. Just keep her away from the spirits. 🤔.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2264407]An alternative would be for me to preempt her and go to the police to report what she is trying to do but I have doubts as to whether that would go over well. Any advice throw it up in this section please, unfortunately I cannot receive pms on here.

Hopefully I can put this behind me and have a great trip. Later I can post pic of her so others can avoid also.[/QUOTE]Definitely do not go to the police, that will get you nowhere and will cost you money. She's pretty much certainly a scammer and bluffing. Do post her photo though if you don't mind.

I'm visiting Jakarta for the second time. I arrive a few days before New Year's Eve, and I'll stay for about a week before moving on to KL. I already have leads through IG, Tinder, and especially IndonesianCupid. Moreover, I'm aware of the girly/freelancer bars, spas, parlors, and WeChat from my last trip. Many hotels offer specials for New Year's Eve, and many nightclubs and bars are holding events. It appears that the parties and events are marketed towards couples. That's not a problem for me, I have a few options from either women I met on my previous trip, or girls that I am meeting online now.

I've only booked a hotel for my arrival date. I'm staying at Harris Vertu Harmoni in Gajah Mada. Their rooms aren't available through regular bookings for New Year's Eve. The room must be booked through an event package. I'm reluctant to book because there may be a hotel with an preferable event or party.

Any suggestions, recommendations, or tips about great places to enjoy New Year's Eve as a single guy or as a couple would be most appreciated.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2264435]Definitely do not go to the police, that will get you nowhere and will cost you money. She's pretty much certainly a scammer and bluffing. Do post her photo though if you don't mind.[/QUOTE]Yeah thanks Smoothy and everyone else for advice. I agree I think ignoring it is probably the right decision. I did change rooms within the same hotel just as a precaution. I don't think the police will be involved because the threat has changed to now her Uncle and his friends are going to beat me senseless. It was funny because the next message asked "Are you at your hotel, just answer yes or no. " Haha how dumb a question is that after threatening someone with violence. Anyway her name is Rhika, she reports to be from Bandung although I originally met her on DIA and she must have had Jakarta listed as her city or I wouldn't have reached out to her. Her DIA account seems to be deleted. She claimed she travelled all the way from Bandung to see me yesterday but hard to know what is true. Too bad because she was cuter than her pictures and she was actually really sweet. I think she has a handler or handlers doing all the heavy handed tactics because I cannot see her doing it but I could be wrong.

So stay away from Rhika is she looks like this:

This is what she looks like after eating a donut, glazed of course.

Did Starmoon go up in price? I had read 350 k but I was charged 400 k. Maybe I got a nicer room? It had a shower inside and mirrors on wall. It was better than some of the Soi 6 rooms I have been in.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2264458] the threat has changed to now her Uncle and his friends are going to beat me senseless. [/QUOTE]That's a completely different threat. I have seen that happen to other guys. I would change hotels.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2264569]It was better than some of the Soi 6 rooms I have been in.[/QUOTE]Considering soi 6 has crap rooms, that isn't saying much. When we say it has crappy rooms, that is in comparison to the very nice rooms at places like Hotel Classic which are the same price as Starmoon. There was a time when all rooms in places like that around Jakarta were that bad quality, but there are lots of nice new places with very nice rooms and the price is still cheap. I find it amazing that Hotel Classic isn't twice the price of places like starmoon.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2264648]That's a completely different threat. I have seen that happen to other guys. I would change hotels.[/QUOTE]Well I am less worried about it now. They will probably move on to someone else. They stopped sending me messages yesterday after a total of 26 messages / phone calls. Its funny they put so much effort into this because if the girl just stayed for another day like she planned on originally she would have got plenty of extra money and I might have even kept her longer as I liked her especially as I had not seen any other girls here yet and so I had nothing to compare her to. I was paying what I assume was a relatively high rate of 2. 5 mil per day. Will be trying to keep that down to 1. 5 max in the future. Now I like the girl from Starmoon even more and I am sure there are lots more at the other venues. I will likely check out Classic, Travel, Kings Crioss, and maybe Malio also. Hitting the seafood buffet at the Pullman today and then my Starmoon girl is coming over as its her day off. Things are looking up except my brand new gaming laptop just died which is annoying and that first girl experience, at least the threats part sucked.

I assume that set up / black mail stuff happens less here than in PI because I haven't seen it mentioned in the Indo threads where as you see it quite frequently on PI threads. Has turned me off to the internet girls but there are still some more I want to try.

I gave a 100,000 tip at Starmoon. Girl was happy with that, Any comments on whether that is too much or whether tips are necessary at all is appreciated.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2264686] my Starmoon girl is coming over as its her day off. [/QUOTE]That will be surprising. As far as I know, the only days those starmoon girls get off are the days they are on their period. Although, since you paid 400k for her, that likely means she is a "free lance" category brothel girl. They are more expensive and I think they have more freedom than the other girls. I think the free lance starmoon girls have an FL at the front of their number. I remember FL9 was the most popular girl there by far a couple of years ago. She used to do more than 10 guys every day. I've never gone with any of the FL girls there.

100k is the normal tip for any girl in any of those places as long as they provide good service. If they demand a condom for BJ, then give them nothing.

You were overpaying that other girl at 2.5 million. You shouldn't have to give actual freelancers (non brothel girls) more than 1 or 1.5. No wonder she stalked you, she thought you were rich.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2264698]That will be surprising. As far as I know, the only days those starmoon girls get off are the days they are on their period. Although, since you paid 400k for her, that likely means she is a "free lance" category brothel girl. They are more expensive and I think they have more freedom than the other girls.

100k is the normal tip for any girl in any of those places as long as they provide good service. If they demand a condom for BJ, I give them nothing.

You were overpaying that other girl at 2.5 million. You shouldn't have to give actual freelancers (non brothel girls) more than 1 or 1.5.[/QUOTE]Yeah I knew I was paying too much there. Will not likely happen again. Like I said she had a good thing going with me there she should have just went through it as planned.

I am with you on the covered BJ thing. I will adopt your policy on that. Finding CIM seems to be less liked her than other places. Almost always finish that way but with the two girls I have trued they weren't into it and the majority of twitter girls I have been checking out state no CIM on their pages. At least I haven't had to put up with a CBJ as that totally kills it for me.

So I will have to take a look at the different badges the girls wear at Starmoon, maybe your right and she cost more because of some distinction. I didn't pay attention to whether the girls had different badges.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2264458]Yeah thanks Smoothy and everyone else for advice. I agree I think ignoring it is probably the right decision. I did change rooms within the same hotel just as a precaution. I don't think the police will be involved because the threat has changed to now her Uncle and his friends are going to beat me senseless. It was funny because the next message asked "Are you at your hotel, just answer yes or no. " Haha how dumb a question is that after threatening someone with violence. Anyway her name is Rhika, she reports to be from Bandung although I originally met her on DIA and she must have had Jakarta listed as her city or I wouldn't have reached out to her. Her DIA account seems to be deleted. She claimed she travelled all the way from Bandung to see me yesterday but hard to know what is true. Too bad because she was cuter than her pictures and she was actually really sweet. I think she has a handler or handlers doing all the heavy handed tactics because I cannot see her doing it but I could be wrong.

So stay away from Rhika is she looks like this:[/QUOTE]I was contacted by her, she sent several photos after picking me up on Tinder, I declined, if I want a brothel-level girl I will go to a brothel to get them.

There is no threat there whatsoever, certainly not from the police, those photos incriminate her, not you.

Hotel security will also deal with any non-existent threat from uncles. She is chancing her arm, just block her, she poses no danger to you in any way.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2264821]I was contacted by her, she sent several photos after picking me up on Tinder, I declined, if I want a brothel-level girl I will go to a brothel to get them.

There is no threat there whatsoever, certainly not from the police, those photos incriminate her, not you.

Hotel security will also deal with any non-existent threat from uncles. She is chancing her arm, just block her, she poses no danger to you in any way.[/QUOTE]Yeah my suspicion is she is not the problem because she was sweet and timid. But her texts come across as aggressive and pushy. Too bad, like I said she could make good money without the extra effort of scamming people or the person (s) controlling her could. Hopefully the posts help someone else to avoid her. Sounds like you didn't need them to avoid her. I almost did too but a delivery service on the first day sounded pretty nice. If anyone else gets contacted by her she will send you a bunch of naked pics and a video. Might keep her unblocked just to yank her handlers chain after I leave. Promise them I will meet them with cash. So sorry stuck in traffic. Oh I think my appendix burst I have to go to hospital. I will meet you tomorrow, etc. One good turn deserves another =).

[QUOTE=TripleX;2264908]Too bad, like I said she could make good money without the extra effort of scamming people or the person (s) controlling her could.[/QUOTE]I don't know why but it's a common trait that those doing the scam or shakedown could have earned more by not doing it. Luckily, I haven't had too many issues but I'm struggling to think of a time where she / they got more than what I would have paid if she had stayed full term.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2264908]Might keep her unblocked just to yank her handlers chain after I leave. Promise them I will meet them with cash. So sorry stuck in traffic. Oh I think my appendix burst I have to go to hospital. I will meet you tomorrow, etc. One good turn deserves another =).[/QUOTE]Something like this 😁 : [URL]https://youtu.be/_QdPW8JrYzQ[/URL].

[QUOTE=Goferring;2264910]
Something like this 😁 : [URL]https://youtu.be/_QdPW8JrYzQ[/URL].[/QUOTE]Nice video. Yeah that's the idea. =).

[QUOTE=TripleX;2264569]Did Starmoon go up in price? I had read 350 k but I was charged 400 k. Maybe I got a nicer room? It had a shower inside and mirrors on wall. It was better than some of the Soi 6 rooms I have been in.[/QUOTE]I've had a much better time at Grand LA. 380 k plus 100 tip to provider and 50 to mami. Got winners a few times already and one loser though she was smoking hot and crazy cute.

Seems like most of the online girls want a ton of money. Those on Badoo, Cityx, and Twitter often ask for 1 million just for one shot. Many of the twitter girls want you to deposit money before they come. I will not be doing that. Someone on here mentioned that a lot of those that ask for deposit might be willing to forgo it if they know you are bule. Lots of crappy rules listed on their sites as well like no CIF no CIM.

I was willing to give the girl on this link below her asking rate for LT which was 1,600,000 IDR but she wouldn't budge on the DP. She is very cute though, check her out: [URL]https://twitter.com/ReallBo[/URL].

Anybody have good luck with any girls from twitter?

[QUOTE=Benderover;2265113]I've had a much better time at Grand LA. 380 k plus 100 tip to provider and 50 to mami. Got winners a few times already and one loser though she was smoking hot and crazy cute.[/QUOTE]So Smoothy was right about the price difference being for the fact that the girl I took was a freelancer. They have red badges with FL on them. I will check out Grand LA also. Maybe today.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2265201]Seems like most of the online girls want a ton of money. Those on Badoo, Cityx, and Twitter often ask for 1 million just for one shot. Many of the twitter girls want you to deposit money before they come. I will not be doing that. Someone on here mentioned that a lot of those that ask for deposit might be willing to forgo it if they know you are bule. Lots of crappy rules listed on their sites as well like no CIF no CIM.

I was willing to give the girl on this link below her asking rate for LT which was 1,600,000 IDR but she wouldn't budge on the DP. She is very cute though, check her out: [URL]https://twitter.com/ReallBo[/URL].

Anybody have good luck with any girls from twitter?[/QUOTE]As a rule I never ask a girl what her services are and how much she charges. Generally I do my research, so I know the market, then say I want X, YY and Z, for so long and pay so much. Does she accept? Saves soooooo much drama.

In lieu of DP many accept a photo proof showing you are where you say you are: photo of room key, selfie in the lobby etc but a msg written in English should suffice. I don't know any bules that would send a DP.

If you need to, just put "noDP" in front of what ever your search term is eg #noDPjaksel.

[QUOTE=Benderover;2265113]I've had a much better time at Grand LA. 380 k plus 100 tip to provider and 50 to mami. Got winners a few times already and one loser though she was smoking hot and crazy cute.[/QUOTE]Went to Grand LA today saw my first westerner in this area there since I got here. There were at least 3 girls I was interested in but the damn pushy mama brought a girl over and kept trying to get me take her with another girl at the same time. Tried several times to leave me alone and it wasn't working. Need to learn this phrase mentioned earlier "Itu saya yang pilih, bukan kamu". Got fed up and left told her next time to leave me alone and allow me to choose. She probably didn't understand me. She zeroed in on me despite others in the bar probably because they were regulars. Went to MTR which is owned by the same people but much lower key in there. No problem there or Starmoon with the Mama's. Didn't like the line up at MTR as much until about a half an hour in a really cute girl hidden from my view was revealed. Decision done. Rooms are nicer than Starmoon but no mirrors. Wasn't there for the drinks but in case anyone drinks water like me it's 50,000 at both Grand LA and MTR. Good night.

Where are the places to find girls for LT?

[QUOTE=Benderover;2265113]I've had a much better time at Grand LA. 380 k plus 100 tip to provider and 50 to mami. [/QUOTE]380k? In other words, you took the cheapest room they have. To me, those rooms are too crappy to stomach. The small rooms at LA are the worst in all of kota indah (and that is saying something). Sari Ayu right across the street actually has very nice rooms for the same price.

Why would you give the mami 50k? 20k is plenty or even nothing. They get money from the place when you take the girl upstairs. That extra 50k would have been much better invested in upgrading your room to vip or even 100k more for super vip since the rooms there are so pathetic. I still don't see why Hotel Classic charges only 380k since it has 10 times nicer rooms than you find at similar priced placed like LA who haven't renovated their rooms in 20 years.

I got in very late on Friday after a super long flight so I just decided to rest and get some sleep. So Saturday was the first night out this trip.

Rested most of the next day and caught up on some work. First Stop was Kohta Indah. Did the rounds and hit a few bars. Some good talent at Sayu Ari, LA and Royal. But none of the girls that I would interested in would even look up from their cell phones so I decided to give it a pass on this night I was in the mood for a GFE and didn't want the buzz kill of a starfish performance or CBJ so decided to move on and try my like with FLs.

A friend told me that Immigrant Lounge was a good place to hook up so I grabbed a Bluebird there. 150 K entrance with one free drink. Pretty dead at a little after 11. I stayed until about 12 but none of the girls was my type. All older and not very attractive. This place goes late (4 AM) so it may be better later. Btu I didn't see much progress so I hightailed it out of there and grabbed a taxi to Shangrila and BATS.

First time at BATS and I heard it can be good. But not on this night. Very poor lineup. Girls very old 30 and up and most pretty chunky to boot. One cute mid 20's girl but she was with a guy and all over him at the bar to boot. However, she kept staring at me and even motioned me over to go talk to her upstairs when the guy left to go to the bathroom. Did not feel like being a dick and stealing another guys girl and it seemed like a pretty sharkey move on her part. So decided to give CJs a try.

Got to CJs around 2 AM. Much better talent and younger and fresher looking girls. But no one really struck my fancy. Maybe all the really good ones had already been snapped up. A few girls I recognized from BATS showed up as well. Was just about to give up when a cute girl I hadn't noticed before came up to me to chat. A little older than I usually like (29) and not a girl I would normally be all that into. But she had a head on her shoulders and I was enjoying her company and the conversation. After a few beers too many I decided what the hell and to just take her. We agreed on 1. 5 million for unspecified time and grabbed a Bluebird back to my place.

Things started off slow and she kept yapping. But she soon warmed up. Reluctant to give BJ or let me finger her at first. But after some DFK she was sopping wet and let me do both. She seemed to really enjoy. Very passionate and lots of DFK. Went through the range positions and she came twice. Nice slim body and very tight wet pussy. I had had too much to drink and couldn't cum so we took a break. Continuing to chat and cuddle. She really wanted me to cum so we went back to action soon enough. This time her enthusiasm must have sent something off and I came while plowing her behind in spoon.

We were both wiped out and went to bed. Woke up at 9 the next morning and went at it again. She was tired and a little reluctant at first. But I was horny as hell and she was soon into it to. So another nice session, but without BJ and not much kissing (she said she had morning breath). She stuck around for a while waiting for her phone to charge before a long ride back to her room. She was up by now and talked my ear off, which was not all too pleasant with my hangover. Mercifully she left at 11. Paid her the agreed 1,5 mil and threw in an extra 100 k for taxi.

All in all it was a good experience and a nice enough girl. Though I am not sure I will repeat. A bit disappointed with the qualityo of the girls at the FL bars though maybe my timing was just off. I will try CJs again (and go a bit earlier this time) but not so sure I will go back to BATS.

The girl suggested I try some bars in the Kemang area, specifically the bar Eastern Promises. She said not many working girls there but that I could find a "regular girl" there to be my Indonesian Girlfriend. LOL. I may give these places a visit, just to explore a bit. I've never been to these places before so any intel or info is welcome.

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2264821]I was contacted by her, she sent several photos after picking me up on Tinder, I declined, if I want a brothel-level girl I will go to a brothel to get them.

There is no threat there whatsoever, certainly not from the police, those photos incriminate her, not you.

Hotel security will also deal with any non-existent threat from uncles. She is chancing her arm, just block her, she poses no danger to you in any way.[/QUOTE]So this is weird because I never mentioned that they were trying to blackmail me with photos but now the new threat is that they have a video tape of the session and they will distribute it. LOL I actually have a video tape of our sessions because she was completely cool with it but unless she had some James Bond type spy gear she doesn't have shit.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2265428]I got in very late on Friday after a super long flight so I just decided to rest and get some sleep. So Saturday was the first night out this trip.

... bars in the Kemang area, specifically the bar Eastern Promises. She said not many working girls there but that I could find a "regular girl" there to be my Indonesian Girlfriend. LOL. I may give these places a visit, just to explore a bit. I've never been to these places before so any intel or info is welcome.

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]This and other stories about the quality of girls at the clubs plus the fact that I don't like clubs I guess makes want to give that route a pass. Too bad things have changed there as those venues sounded good in the past. A lot of stuff seems to have moved on line but it seems that there are a lot of guys throwing a lot of money around so its hard to get the hottest girls for a decent amount. So much nicer for me to have someone in my own room all night but still having a great time here. Been seeing a regular girl from a conservative family in the day and hitting Kohta Indah at night.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2265734]This and other stories about the quality of girls at the clubs plus the fact that I don't like clubs I guess makes want to give that route a pass. Too bad things have changed there as those venues sounded good in the past. A lot of stuff seems to have moved on line but it seems that there are a lot of guys throwing a lot of money around so its hard to get the hottest girls for a decent amount. So much nicer for me to have someone in my own room all night but still having a great time here. Been seeing a regular girl from a conservative family in the day and hitting Kohta Indah at night.[/QUOTE]I was at KI tonight. Did I see you walking past about 8 pm? We gave each other the thumbs up. If it was you, you are the first White guy I have seen in a few days. 555.

Girls at the clubs are MUCH older than what you find at KI. But I still think its worth a look if you've never been there. I guess I'd recommend CJs. Ladies night tomorrow apparently. I may go (but not 100% sure as I may have a date with the girl that sold me my sim at the airport). Then again I found a gem in KI tonight and there were some other good ones there I'd like to try so just may end up back there.

Anyhow PM me if you are interested in meeting up at some point.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2265767]I was at KI tonight. Did I see you walking past about 8 pm? We gave each other the thumbs up. If it was you, you are the first White guy I have seen in a few days. 555.

Girls at the clubs are MUCH older than what you find at KI. But I still think its worth a look if you've never been there. I guess I'd recommend CJs. Ladies night tomorrow apparently. I may go (but not 100% sure as I may have a date with the girl that sold me my sim at the airport). Then again I found a gem in KI tonight and there were some other good ones there I'd like to try so just may end up back there.

Anyhow PM me if you are interested in meeting up at some point.

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]Wasn't me, I was there earlier though. ISG doesn't accept any of my Credit Cards so no PM's for me. I have the same problem with Badoo. Pretty good chance if you see another westerner there though it will be me as you say they are scarce. I was in the plaza in Kota Tua yesterday. It was filled with people but no foreigners that I could see.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2265855] Pretty good chance if you see another westerner there though it will be me as you say they are scarce.[/QUOTE]It's not that us westerners in town don't know about those places or have never been, but we don't prefer them. I believe it's a cultural thing. You won't see westerners at any of the brothels very often. Not even at the expensive brothels. It seems brothels are more suited to the way that Asians prefer things. From what I have seen over the years, Asians don't prefer to put in any effort at all, just point to a girl and go upstairs with her. It doesn't matter to them that she has already been screwed by 5 random guys that day who also just picked her out of a lineup. Asians on the average appear to be little concerned with a GFE experience or even really good sex for that matter, just cheap and easy sex. However, westerners normally like to chat the girls up first a bit before shagging them. So you will more often see westerners at places with free lancers like BATS, CJs, and the now unfortunately almost defunct Blok M. You will also see lots of westerners at the normal bars around town that have girls who are non pros. I know I much prefer free lancers over brothel girls. I get far less pleasure picking a girl from a lineup and taking her upstairs for an hour than I do spending a couple of hours chatting with the girl, having drinks together, dancing, and having fun with her before taking her home for a shag.

Anyone ever check this place out: Puri Sehat Hotel & Spa [URL]https://www.instagram.com/new_purisehat/?hl=en[/URL].

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2265907]... spending a couple of hours chatting with the girl, having drinks together, dancing, and having fun with her before taking her home for a shag.[/QUOTE]Yeah I am with you on the GFE stuff just prefer the best looking 18-22 year old girls I can find.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2265921]Yeah I am with you on the GFE stuff just prefer the best looking 18-22 year old girls I can find.[/QUOTE]To get both GFE and very young girls like that, you should learn to speak some Indonesian. Without some Indonesian skills, very young hot girls vs. free lancers who provide GFE are mutually exclusive in Indonesia for the most part. So you have to pick between GFE and young. That is, unless you are a young and handsome westerner, then you can get young hot girl GFE anywhere in town for free very easily. Most westerners choose GFE and will go with a 25 year old instead of an 18 year old to get that GFE experience so you don't see them at the brothels.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2265918]Anyone ever check this place out: Puri Sehat Hotel & Spa [URL]https://www.instagram.com/new_purisehat/?hl=en[/URL].[/QUOTE]I've never been to that one, but it has many pages posted about it on kaskus, so the locals seem to like it.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2265943]I've never been to that one, but it has many pages posted about it on kaskus, so the locals seem to like it.[/QUOTE]Yeah saw the reviews on there.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2265907]It's not that us westerners in town don't know about those places or have never been, but we don't prefer them. I believe it's a cultural thing. You won't see westerners at any of the brothels very often. Not even at the expensive brothels. It seems brothels are more suited to the way that Asians prefer things. From what I have seen over the years, Asians don't prefer to put in any effort at all, just point to a girl and go upstairs with her. It doesn't matter to them that she has already been screwed by 5 random guys that day who also just picked her out of a lineup. Asians on the average appear to be little concerned with a GFE experience or even really good sex for that matter, just cheap and easy sex. However, westerners normally like to chat the girls up first a bit before shagging them. So you will more often see westerners at places with free lancers like BATS, CJs, and the now unfortunately almost defunct Blok M. You will also see lots of westerners at the normal bars around town that have girls who are non pros. I know I much prefer free lancers over brothel girls. I get far less pleasure picking a girl from a lineup and taking her upstairs for an hour than I do spending a couple of hours chatting with the girl, having drinks together, dancing, and having fun with her before taking her home for a shag.[/QUOTE]Totally agree but it is not about western or Asians, it is about how the person is perceiving sex. Also there are a lot of circumstances that play role in going to a brothel or go to FL. Like hiding or don't want any connection with FL after.

OK, I'm in Jakarta for five days. I need your advice for my itinerary that I gathered from here.

I will stay two nights in central. I will go to Colosseum Club since it has a FLs. I'm not into the brothel scene there. The rush hours there between 1-3 am. The average is 1.5-2 m for LT.

Then I will move to south for three nights.

- BATS: average is 2 m for LT.

- Eastern promises 1.5 M or just free pick up.

If I don't success after 2 am, I will go to Blok M Area where is most of the FL go there if they couldn't find customers. Any suggestions where to go there? Everest & MY BAR and highway seem has better review till now.

Thanks and waiting for your recommendation.

[QUOTE=OralnDoxx;2266008]OK, I'm in Jakarta for five days. I need your advice for my itinerary that I gathered from here.

I will stay two nights in central. I will go to Colosseum Club since it has a FLs. I'm not into the brothel scene there. The rush hours there between 1-3 am. The average is 1.5-2 m for LT.

Then I will move to south for three nights.

- BATS: average is 2 m for LT.

- Eastern promises 1.5 M or just free pick up.

If I don't success after 2 am, I will go to Blok M Area where is most of the FL go there if they couldn't find customers. Any suggestions where to go there? Everest & MY BAR and highway seem has better review till now.

Thanks and waiting for your recommendation.[/QUOTE]Make sure to try Tinder. You can find girls on there pretty darn easily.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2266079]Make sure to try Tinder. You can find girls on there pretty darn easily.[/QUOTE]Yes Tinder have a lot of Girls but I don't trust online since usually it is pimp and send different girl than the one you choose online and for FL, the pictures filters can waste time and sometimes you don't recognize the girl. I prefer to go to the bar and pick up myself.

Girl I was supposed to go on a date bailed saying she was sick (maybe BS) so I ended up hitting Ladies Night at CJs last night. Showed up at 12 AM. Only about 1/3 full compared to last time I was there for LN in August. Probably because of the holidays.

Talent was not all that great. Mostly older girls. Two very good ones but they were already taken by a couple of suits so maybe needed to get there earlier. One of these was a girl I saw earlier from BATS who was making eyes at them when with another guy.

Most girls older 25 and up and a lot (probably most) looked like they were in their 30's. Talked to one very pretty one (older but a stunner with amazing body) but she gave me a primadona vibe and asked for 3 mil so I passed without even trying to negotiate it down. Though she was pretty damn hot something about her told me she would't be fun.

Ended up finding a younger shier girl who was hiding in the background. Super cute girl next door type. Very light skin and much more Chinese looking than Indo. Full figured body but still very tight and firm. 23 year old student but looked a lot younger (18-19).

Really fun back in the room. Sweet GFE with lots of DFK and BBJ. Very compliant and let me do what I wanted and she seemed to enjoy it. Stayed the night and cuddled while sleeping. Very nice. Had a nice romp with her in the morning and sent her on her way after a late breakfast at 11. May repeat as she was very fun and sweet and had a really cute little face. Good English too and fun to talk to her in her cute broken English.

Not sure I will go back to the FL spots as it seems they are dead because of the holidays. Maybe after NYE. In comparison Koht Indah is full of very nice girls. I do like the FL set up better with dancing and flirting etc. But Kohta Indah girls are a fraction of the price and have so far have delivered on some good sessions with GFE.

Headed there now after a day of work on the laptop.

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2266416]
Not sure I will go back to the FL spots as it seems they are dead because of the holidays. [/QUOTE]It's true that Jakarta is normally more quiet during the Christmas holidays as far as free lancers. Most western guys leave town and go back home to their country of origin or go to Bali for Christmas and the girls know it. Bali will be absolutely packed with free lancers at the moment, but their price will be high because it's more packed with western tourists. You keep mentioning kota indah, and I'm not sure why. For sure, it's a place you can go, but there are many many places like that in Jakarta. The last few times I walked around kota indah, I found zero girls who I thought were relatively good looking enough to spend an hour with, so I went elsewhere. The last girl I shagged there was Banana Boi's girl number 88 Nanda at starmoon. But she was a one and done. I thought she stood out like a sore thumb over the rest of the girls there, but I won't repeat with her. Keep in mind that there is a huge market for that kind of thing in Jakarta, so you can be extremely selective if you so choose to go the brothel route. Yes, it's more difficult to find young free lancers than young girls controlled by the mafia in brothels, mainly because young girls aren't clever enough yet to go out on their own.

Since you do seem to like brothels, here are some other places you could try:

Hotel Classic.

Hotel Travel.

Emporivm (next to Red top hotel).

New Medika (near hotel Ciputra).

Kings Cross (Kelapa Gading).

MTR2 (Kelapa Gading).

D'Heaven (Kelapa Gading).

Sumo (Kelapa Gading).

D'Heaven (Grand Wijaya Center).

Pangeran Spa (used to be kimochi spa. It's near kota indah).

Orchardz Spa Pangeran Jayakarta (near kota indah).

Orchardz Spa Industri (not far from kota indah either).

Malioboro (more expensive, but I like the place).

Malio Club (the back side of Malioboro).

There are many many more brothels and sex spas like that in town. They all have young good looking girls. On the rare occasion my buddies and I do go up north and look around at the brothels these days, we will normally do a quick look around and if there are no stunners we will move on to the next place (depending on traffic. if traffic is bad, we will be less likely to move on to another place and will settle for less quality). The talent rotates from month to month so you never know where you might find a stunner. Kings Cross girls will be very likely willing to come to your hotel on their off day. I think their price is 600 k these days, but I think like the girls there better than anywhere else due to their autonomy.

What are the best places to pick up girls for long time?

[QUOTE=Liggi1;2266453]What are the best places to pick up girls for long time?[/QUOTE]I see you have been asking this same question in the Jakarta thread off and on since 2011. You haven't found any yet?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2266426]Since you do seem to like brothels, here are some other places you could try:

Hotel Classic.
Hotel Travel.

Emporivm (next to Red top hotel).

New Medika (near hotel Ciputra).

Kings Cross (Kelapa Gading).

MTR2 (Kelapa Gading).

D'Heaven (Kelapa Gading).

Sumo (Kelapa Gading).

D'Heaven (Grand Wijaya Center).

Pangeran Spa (used to be kimochi spa. It's near kota indah).

Orchardz Spa Pangeran Jayakarta (near kota indah).

Orchardz Spa Industri (not far from kota indah either).

Malioboro (more expensive, but I like the place).
Malio Club (the back side of Malioboro).[/QUOTE]A great list to save for future reference. I was aware of most of them, but since I take my time and move around real slow; I tend to keep going back to the places I like again and again and again, I have only been to 5 bordellos on your list. So far.

So here is a very short review and some thoughts on these bordellos:

Malio Club. My favorite. I have been there so many times I can't remember how many. Haha. The thing I like best about the place is I never know what is going to happen when I get there, but it is always good. The dancers are wild girls and very entertaining.

Malioboro Lounge. Yes, the front side of Malio Club interconnected inside the building by way of stairwells and long hallways although not very difficult to traverse. I sometimes visit both Malio and Malioboro when no girl immediately wows me, but Malioboro is decidedly calmer if that is the right word and more predictable. I always have a good time there though, but things never seem to get as crazy wild as they sometimes do in Malio Club. Love the dancers and some of the couch girls in both places.

Emporium. I just discovered this place on my last trip and I think it is great! An instant favorite. I sampled 4 different VIP girls last trip, 3 of which were very sexy and gave me memorable times. Sadly, I was only able to repeat with 1 of the 3, but that was only because the other 2 were not available when I showed up and requested them by name. I will save more of my Emporium experiences for my trip report. 5 stars!

Tease Club, in same building, is on my must go list for my next trip. It starts up later than Emporium which is why I missed it, but I imagine this place rocks on weekends around midnight. I am not sure if you can only take girls to a room in the Emporium Hotel or can take them out to your hotel at a reasonable rate, but I am more than willing to go there and find out.

Kings Cross (Kelapa Gading). I went there in 2017 and had a rocking good time with 1st a sideline girl on the ground floor who was initially shy and possessed a very tight pussy which I turned wet and wide open during our session and then later that same night with a seductive dancer on the 3rd floor who seduced. LOL. Another Jakarta 2 fer! I didn't go back in 2018 because I read somewhere that the club had gone downhill. Looking back now I think that decision might have been a mistake.

Sumo (Kelapa Gading) I haven't been to this one yet, but an ISG friend recently highly recommended it to me, so I am looking forward to going there when I return to Jakarta. Sumo is high on my must list.

1001 Hotel & Colosseum nightclub. This establishment was not on your list Smoothy. Probably just an oversight. This is the new flagship of the Alexis group and it is very impressive although I must say I have mixed feelings about this one. Let's see: I went there 5 times last trip. 1st night hooked up with my favorite Alexis girl from 2017. Great reunion, but later after that reunion night she became possessive, jealous and strange, so we could not get together again. Incredibly she made up and apologized at the last moment while I was at the airport leaving for Singapore. I don't know if I should see her again. The inner voice is telling me she is trouble.

The 2nd time I went there was with Syzygies. He had a terrible time. I met a great new girl and I wound up repeating with her 3 times total. Very GFE. Then the last time I went there I tried another girl when I knew my new repeat girl was off. This last girl would not give me a BBBJ. I am going to leave out a lot of details on purpose to save for my trip report, but the subsequent sex was ok, but on the mechanical side and nothing to write home about. I complained to the manager about the CBJ and he claimed all the girls are instructed to give CBJ's only. I could not believe it. As we continued our conversaton he wanted to know the names of the girls that gave me BBBJ's. I was astonished and said, "so you want me to rat on the girls that gave me good service? Are you crazy? I won't betray these girls. " To which he replied CBJ's are the policy of 1001 and no girl should have given you a BBBJ! Unbelievable, but true. I will post a more detailed report about this night in my trip report. I think it is important. What a wierd night.

Anyway, I also saw the current Vietnamese & Kazakhstan lineups and was not impressed. So, in comparison to the now defunct Alexis Hotel Spa, I prefer Alexis hands down because 1001 is too dark in the lounge area and the girls are scattered too far and wide away from the lounge to see them clearly without calling for a lineup. The imports in fact are kept in another room entirely and can only be seen upon request. On the plus side, this is the luxury venue of the group and there are a ton of hot, young, very cute Indonesian girls about, so I won't write this place off my list completely, maybe CBJ's are not the policy and the manager was only covering for the girl, but if that was what he was doing, he is an idiot. I never went back.

Emporium which is also run by the Alexis Group, by contrast is much smaller and more intimate and I prefer the friendly atmosphere in Emporium over the high gloss, frosty atmosphere of 1001. The fact that I met 3 great girls in Emporium, vs only 1 nice girl in 1001 says it all as far as I am concerned. Prices are a little higher in 1001, rooms are a little nicer, but not by much. An Indo 1001 girl is 1.4 plus the 200,000 drink minimum so effectively 1.6mil. Regular Viets are 2.4 mil same as was the case in Alexis, but now there is a model category Vietnamese for around 3.2 mil. I saw saw no discernable difference between the regular class and the model class of Import girls. They all looked pretty unappealing to me at any price whereas I recall some very hot Viet babes in Alexis in 2017 and earlier.

I never got around to the Colosseum Club. It looks really nice and it is at the top of my list of places I want to check out on my next trip. Like Tease Club at the Emporium hotel, I am not sure if you can only take girls to a room in the 1001 Hotel or can take them out to your hotel at a reasonable rate. But I am more than willing to go there and find out.

Classic is not my kind of place although I know some punters love it. It is too dark and service is spotty. Anyway, one of my favorite 2016 Malioboro dancers works there now, but she did not tell me which floor she works on. I could have found out and I probably should have gone to see her, but I never got around to it. I regret that decision now. Haha.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2266531]
1001 Hotel & Colosseum nightclub. This establishment was not on your list Smoothy. Probably just an oversight. [/QUOTE]Great review, Natty. Believe it or not, I have not gone to 1001 even once. I know very well it exists since it's right there on the main road and has been there quite a while. However, I have never taken the initiative to enter the place.

Here are a few other places very near to that as well that I did not mention, some I have visited, some I have not:

108 The New Atmosphere (used to be Illigals)
V2
Sun City
Club 36
Hotel Olympic

B'Fashion
Kimochi Spa
Tematik
Golden hands Spa
FM1

We also went to Istana Tropis not long ago, but that is way up near waterbom PIK. The PIK area is getting a lot of sex spas these days.

You can't swing a dead cat in North Jakarta without hitting a sex massage place or brothel.

But in my opinion, the best thing about Jakarta that sets it apart from other places in southeast asia is that you can pick up girls anywhere in the city. You can pick them up in McDonalds, a Mall, pretty much anywhere around town as long as you are a westerner. Most likely they will want taxi money for their trouble if they do go home with you, but not always. Any time you see a hot girl anywhere, if you just walk up to her and ask her for her number, the chances are high that she will give you her number (sure, it won't work every time, but it will work more times than anywhere else in the world). Even the office worker girls will likely be intrigued. That is not the case in a place like Bangkok.

I went to New Medika recently and was surprised by the large number of Chinamen and noticed some other types (Indian / Middle Eastern).

I didn't notice it to this degree at other venues.

Is there an explanation for this?

[QUOTE=Marky1;2266627]I went to New Medika recently and was surprised by the large number of Chinamen and noticed some other types (Indian / Middle Eastern).

I didn't notice it to this degree at other venues.

Is there an explanation for this?[/QUOTE]Sex tours from those countries. Personally I don't care about the nationality of the guys. Jakarta is relatively untouched by tourists. It will come to an end soon enough as markets like Thailand start pricing itself out of the market for those needing a very cheap monger destination.

How did you find the talent in NM? I went a couple weeks ago. Quite a few girls but found it quite weak lookswise. Luckily I have a regular there so my trip through the chaotic traffic to West Jakarta was not a complete bust. She's one of the worst providers mileage wise I go with in Jakarta. Anyone know if New Medika is high service like Kota Indah or on the lower end like Classic / Travel.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2266670]Sex tours from those countries. Personally I don't care about the nationality of the guys. Jakarta is relatively untouched by tourists. It will come to an end soon enough as markets like Thailand start pricing itself out of the market for those needing a very cheap monger destination. [/QUOTE]Probably the only thing that has slowed down the influx of mongerers from India, China, Etc. Is the lack of direct flights, but this is rapidly changing, especially with the Chinese airlines that seem to be flying most places these days.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2266478]I see you have been asking this same question in the Jakarta thread off and on since 2011. You haven't found any yet?[/QUOTE]Yae 7 !! Years ago. There is nothing change?

Met a girl today from the internet. She wanted me to meet her in South Jakarta but I stay near Mangga Dua Square. Profile said she was looking to date. She shows up, on time, and looks exactly like her picture which is good. She brought a friend she didn't mention she was going to bring, ok no big deal. Then they start in with how I should trade commodities. I have seen a lot of Badoo girls talking about this on their profile but this girl had none of that and didn't mention it to me at all beforehand. So glad I did not travel to South Jakarta to meet her. It was fun though. Her friend she brought was her "boss" who knew nothing about commodities or investing. I asked her to do a simple time value of money calculation; couldn't do it. I asked her to calculate the forward price of gold given a certain set of parameters; couldn't do it. I asked the girl I was there to meet privately via google translate, by only letting her see the screen, if she has made any money at this "job" yet and she told me no. I feel bad as I am sure she doesn't realize that this is a sham and she is wasting her time but I was a bit upset she didn't tell me from the get go what she was up to. Like I said it was still amusing. I hate companies like this though, wasting peoples time and probably causing them some expense as well. The only money to made is at the expense of others and those are usually the friends and family of the people involved.

Thanks for the info guys. I am exhausting my options in KI and need t branch out a bit. So this is welcome stuff.

I've been to Travel and Classic and did not like the venues, especially non GFE service I got there. Like BB I find the service better at KI. Though its hit and miss there as well and hard to find a good girl. I may try Malioboro soon. Maybe tonight if I can't find my fave KI girl -- and take the trek over to Kelapa Gading at some point (though its kind of far for me).

To be honest I am not really all that into brothels. I almost never go to the Soapies in Thailand (nearest equivalent to Jakarta brothels I guess) and I don't even really like FKKs all that much (though I used to love them back in the day when things were more loose there).

But I do like fresh young girls and it seems the easiest place to find them in Jakarta is in those places.

I am intrigued by the possibility of regular girls but I have to work during the day and I don't have all that much time to chase after them. But maybe next trip.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2266670]Anyone know if New Medika is high service.[/QUOTE]There are very few places where you can guarantee great service every time. The only place I knew like that in Jakarta was Maribaya in the hotel melawai. Maribaya had by far the best service in Jakarta. Damn shame the place is closed down.

I know a girl from New Medika who is basically a little porn star. She gives great service and is willing to do anything. I'm not saying they are all like that at New Medika, but she definitely is.

I still think Kings Cross currently has the best service in Jakarta overall.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2266760]Met a girl today from the internet. She wanted me to meet her in South Jakarta but I stay near Mangga Dua Square. Profile said she was looking to date. She shows up, on time, and looks exactly like her picture which is good. She brought a friend she didn't mention she was going to bring, ok no big deal. Then they start in with how I should trade commodities. I have seen a lot of Badoo girls talking about this on their profile but this girl had none of that and didn't mention it to me at all beforehand. So glad I did not travel to South Jakarta to meet her. It was fun though. Her friend she brought was her "boss" who knew nothing about commodities or investing. I asked her to do a simple time value of money calculation; couldn't do it. I asked her to calculate the forward price of gold given a certain set of parameters; couldn't do it. I asked the girl I was there to meet privately via google translate, by only letting her see the screen, if she has made any money at this "job" yet and she told me no. I feel bad as I am sure she doesn't realize that this is a sham and she is wasting her time but I was a bit upset she didn't tell me from the get go what she was up to. Like I said it was still amusing. I hate companies like this though, wasting peoples time and probably causing them some expense as well. The only money to made is at the expense of others and those are usually the friends and family of the people involved.[/QUOTE]That seems to be the popular scam these days for the girls who are trying to make some "legit" money. When I first came to Jakarta it was selling insurance. Then it switched to Ponzi schemes and multi level marketing. Now it seems to be forex and commodity trading.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2266670]Jakarta is relatively untouched by tourists. [/QUOTE]Relative to when I first came in 1998, it is now extremely touched by sex tourists. We always used to claim it was the worlds best kept secret. You very rarely saw any sex tourists in Jakarta back then. And it was FAR better back then. Now there are a shitload of sex tourists. The only other places in the world with more sex tourists these days are likely Thailand and the Philippines.

Well as per my last post, about the table dancer in My Bar who fell drunk and asleep in the room. I have made some significant lack of progress since then. Got made by 4 regulars in the bar whom I have managed to keep apart for a while. But that's not too bad as I can start over. I read where some of you happen to run into a starfish type personality. I got introduced to a new girl in the bar on Thursday and all went well in the bar (particularly her expensive drink choices), that is until we got back to the room. Couldn't figure out where this sudden about of shyness appeared from but it sure was a surprise when she refused to even remove the towel from around her. No touching, no kissing, couldn't figure out what to do. So eventually I told her to leave. This was no starfish this was a "dead fish. ".

So returned to the bar tonight only to be reintroduced to the dancer once again and her friend explained that she was embarrassed about what had happened. So OK lets start over I thought. But after she finished here last set she decided that going home with me was not a good idea. As her sister (close friend, roommate) was there and was angry that she and I were together. Apparently I had met the roommate before and I was known in their circle, but I think that she just wanted to go with a higher $ player. What a nightmare. It just seems to be getting worse and worse.

But a bit of advice avoid the really young inexperienced girls they tend to be after quick money and not the GFE. Some of you may know this already but I am now going through this process.

Update on My Bar it is open (after the brief shutdown) and it has a fairly a large crowd. Lots of 6/7's in the crowd and a few 9's no 10's as yet.

[QUOTE=Bkk212;2266963]

But a bit of advice avoid the really young inexperienced girls they tend to be after quick money and not the GFE. Some of you may know this already but I am now going through this process.

Update on My Bar it is open (after the brief shutdown) and it has a fairly a large crowd. Lots of 6/7's in the crowd and a few 9's no 10's as yet.[/QUOTE]I always have the best time and make the best connection with the younger fresher girls. I have had the worst experience with girls that have been around the block. Also when I return to girls I met when they first started and see them again one or 2 years later the magic is usually gone. There are exceptions on both sides. Some really cute girls here but haven't had any mind blowing bedroom experiences yet. I am sure they are out there but maybe less common here than say Thailand. I think I am more likely to find my preferred body type here in Indonesia. Lots of girls from slim to thick and sexy. Most girls even if slim have really nice breasts and some have insanely large breasts given their frame. Got to take what I can get while I can get it though and have been enjoying Jakarta. Like the food a lot, hate the air quality, both outside and in my hotel room, people have been nice, very few panhandlers, nice breezes in the morning and some evenings, and just the fact that it is new and different for me is good. Not sure if I will make it to Bali like I planned on doing as I really just want to focus on girls and it seems like Jakarta is better for that. I assume the competition for girls in Bali is much worse than Jakarta with all the tourists it attracts. Hope things pick up for you Bkk212.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2264686] my Starmoon girl is coming over as its her day off. [/QUOTE]How did that work out?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2266670]Sex tours from those countries. Personally I don't care about the nationality of the guys. Jakarta is relatively untouched by tourists. It will come to an end soon enough as markets like Thailand start pricing itself out of the market for those needing a very cheap monger destination.

How did you find the talent in NM? I went a couple weeks ago. Quite a few girls but found it quite weak lookswise. Luckily I have a regular there so my trip through the chaotic traffic to West Jakarta was not a complete bust. She's one of the worst providers mileage wise I go with in Jakarta. Anyone know if New Medika is high service like Kota Indah or on the lower end like Classic / Travel.[/QUOTE]I thought in terms of looks it was on the same level as Classic or Kota Indah.

I'll probably make a trip there again. Late at night there's little traffic, so easy to reach.

I understand the Chinamen are there on sex tours (or working in Jakarta), but my question was more asking why they were visiting New Medika in disproportionately high numbers rather than other venues like Classic? Is there an equivalent of this site in China where they are saying "must go New Medika".

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2267036]How did that work out?[/QUOTE]Alright, she is cute but came later and left earlier than I would have liked. Bubbly and cute, cuddles, I remember kissing her before but she was reluctant when she visited me. Protested for our second round but not so much that I had to stop. Same for the the third. Once she gets going she is fairly into it. She hasn't responded on Whatsapp since and I haven't seen her back at Starmoon so maybe she's off with someone else or went home. She was good with pics but not action shots. BBBJ, covered fucking, very tight, no CIM, no anal, no rimming. Not super memorable.

It's funny but I had the best experience so far with the girl who tried to scam me. Like I said I think its her pimp / uncle or whoever is guiding her / controlling her that is the problem.

How much did the Starmoon girl cost to come to your hotel?

[QUOTE=Bkk212;2266963]Well as per my last post, about the table dancer in My Bar who fell drunk and asleep in the room. I have made some significant lack of progress since then. Got made by 4 regulars in the bar whom I have managed to keep apart for a while. But that's not too bad as I can start over. I read where some of you happen to run into a starfish type personality. I got introduced to a new girl in the bar on Thursday and all went well in the bar (particularly her expensive drink choices), that is until we got back to the room. Couldn't figure out where this sudden about of shyness appeared from but it sure was a surprise when she refused to even remove the towel from around her. No touching, no kissing, couldn't figure out what to do. So eventually I told her to leave. This was no starfish this was a "dead fish. ".

So returned to the bar tonight only to be reintroduced to the dancer once again and her friend explained that she was embarrassed about what had happened. So OK lets start over I thought. But after she finished here last set she decided that going home with me was not a good idea. As her sister (close friend, roommate) was there and was angry that she and I were together. Apparently I had met the roommate before and I was known in their circle, but I think that she just wanted to go with a higher $ player. What a nightmare. It just seems to be getting worse and worse.

But a bit of advice avoid the really young inexperienced girls they tend to be after quick money and not the GFE. Some of you may know this already but I am now going through this process.

Update on My Bar it is open (after the brief shutdown) and it has a fairly a large crowd. Lots of 6/7's in the crowd and a few 9's no 10's as yet.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about your troubles. I am sure things will turn around if you keep at it.

I am thinking of trying the Blok M bars. Was there last tripmbutbpretty dead around midnight. What is best time to go?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2267082]How much did the Starmoon girl cost to come to your hotel?[/QUOTE]1,000,000 so that's nice. Met another freelance girl there but couldn't convince her to come to hotel. Freelancers have red badges and cost 50,000 more than the other girls.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2267094]1,000,000 so that's nice. Met another freelance girl there but couldn't convince her to come to hotel. Freelancers have red badges and cost 50,000 more than the other girls.[/QUOTE]Good to know! Are they the ones that hang out outside the fishbowl?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2267095]Good to know! Are they the ones that hang out outside the fishbowl?[/QUOTE]I haven't noticed more of them outside at the tables than inside. I see girls hanging out at the tables but I haven't noticed whether they are freelancers or not as its darker in that area and hard to see their badges. Sometimes girls are all at a table together and I am not sure why and other times I think they are getting drinks bought for them from customers, but not sure since I have never done it and I don't hang out in that area long.

I'm shocked by the number of Chinamen I'm seeing here.

Bintang Mawar early evening was very busy. Mostly Chinamen. Waitress confirmed my suspicion that most customers were from China, but they're unmistakable. Last time I went there early evening it was dead.

Then I noticed them up and down Mangga Besar, at Travel, at Classic. Just not in the same disproportionate numbers as Bintang Mawar or New Medika.

Maybe it's the time of year, but I'm noticing a lot of tourists in general.

Enjoy $30 short times while it lasts because it won't.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2266761]Thanks for the info guys. I am exhausting my options in KI and need t branch out a bit. So this is welcome stuff.

I've been to Travel and Classic and did not like the venues, especially non GFE service I got there. Like BB I find the service better at KI. Though its hit and miss there as well and hard to find a good girl. I may try Malioboro soon. Maybe tonight if I can't find my fave KI girl -- and take the trek over to Kelapa Gading at some point (though its kind of far for me).
[/QUOTE]If you want a GFE service probably try Maliobro lounge and tell the girl you will tip her 300 k if she gives good service.

My second Saturday night in Jakarta. I decided to give the FL venues and venues where some regular girls are also available a try.

First stop Basque. Nice place, classy. But girls are all on the older side. The few cute ones were already with guys (looked like on dates). Reminded me of Oskar in Bangkok on Soi 11. Older FLs, but a nice place to take a date. Flew the coop after one drink.

Next I hit Eastern Promises. Older crowd here (guys and gals). Fun atmosphere and good band but nothing for me girls wise. Kind of like one of those RocknRoll honky tonk places you encounter in Thailand. Permanently stuck in the 1990's. I left after a beer.

Next up Blok M. I hit MyBar, Obama bar, Dee's, and the place next door (Enzo's?) Just abysmal. No offense but it felt like scraping the bottom of the barrel. Left without even getting a drink.

There were some cute girls walking about. They had just left the KTV on the block that was closing (Occulis? A real contrast from the fugglies in the bars on Blok M. But they didn't seem all that interested in anything but getting a taxi home.

For some reason I decided to go to Bats. Not sure why. Maybe to wash the nasty taste of Blok M out of my mouth in the antiseptic confines of a hotel bar. It seemed like it was still a bit early to hit Dragonfly so I decided to make a pits top there and to see what was shaking.

Again not much different then my first night. Mostly older girls. But I did spot one gem. Younger, nice rack, and pretty face and hair. Went to talk to her and at first I thought she was a mute 555, but it turns out she just had a really bad sore throat. We hit it off right away. Dancing, groping (her groping me more than me groping her - 555).

Off to my place for a fantastic time. Very GFE. Lots of kissing, great deep throat BJ, and CIM and COF. Very horny girl. We went at it 4 times. Twice before sleep. Once early morning and once again around 1 PM. And a nice impromptu BJ before she left at around 4 PM. Very affectionate and cuddly and I slept really well nestled next to her. I gave her 2 mil for her troubles. This girl is a keeper and will definitely call her again. Though it will take me a day or so to recover form our romp. 555.

I think I can write off Eastern Promises, Basque, and Blok M (the latter entirely). I may make it back to BATS one day, but will keep expectations low. I still think CJs is overall the better Hotel FL bar in terms of quality of the girls.

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2267087]Sorry to hear about your troubles. I am sure things will turn around if you keep at it.

I am thinking of trying the Blok M bars. Was there last tripmbutbpretty dead around midnight. What is best time to go?[/QUOTE]Not sure how long ago you were there but it seems as though things pick up around 12 midnight. I usually arrive around 1:00 am and it's rocking already. Thursday, Friday and Saturday there were lots of freelancers. A lot more than I have seen in previous years. Multiple 6/7's a few 9's but definitely no 10's. But I am not sure about Sundays. As it's a holiday it may be ok for this weekend.

Most of them that I speak with are some regulars and a lot of new faces. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Bkk212;2267512]Not sure how long ago you were there but it seems as though things pick up around 12 midnight. I usually arrive around 1:00 am and it's rocking already. Thursday, Friday and Saturday there were lots of freelancers. A lot more than I have seen in previous years. Multiple 6/7's a few 9's but definitely no 10's. But I am not sure about Sundays. As it's a holiday it may be ok for this weekend.

Most of them that I speak with are some regulars and a lot of new faces. Good luck.[/QUOTE]I was ther last night. Arrived at 12:45 and left a little beforre 1 am. Didn't see anything to really keep me there.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2267515]I was ther last night. Arrived at 12:45 and left a little beforre 1 am. Didn't see anything to really keep me there.[/QUOTE]I think you were too early!

I was there in late April & early May. My first night in town. Arriving around 11 pm. I first got a girl from CJ's; then a girl from BATS (was staying at the Shangri-La). At 3 am, I headed to the Blok just to check it out and found it crowded and lively. Took 2 back to hotel with me for 750 k that night.

Visited late 2 other nights and also found some good pickings.

With the demise of Top Gun, my limited observation is that, Blok M is a really late-night venue. Meaning after 2 am for the best selection.

SeaTraveler.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2267714]I think you were too early!

I was there in late April & early May. My first night in town. Arriving around 11 pm. I first got a girl from CJ's; then a girl from BATS (was staying at the Shangri-La). At 3 am, I headed to the Blok just to check it out and found it crowded and lively. Took 2 back to hotel with me for 750 k that night.

Visited late 2 other nights and also found some good pickings.

With the demise of Top Gun, my limited observation is that, Blok M is a really late-night venue. Meaning after 2 am for the best selection.

SeaTraveler.[/QUOTE]Well I guess hope spring eternal!

I guess I can give it a try. Though I so absolutely no evidence of anyone arriving. Mostly it was the girls form the KTV that were leaving.

Hi guys,

Kind of off topic, but does anyone have any recommendations for a good Indonesian restaurant. I've been mostly eating at hole in the wall type places and have been a bit underwhelmed, though I think that the cuisine here could be very good if it was well made. I'd like to give it a chance.

Can anyone recommend a good Indonesian restaurant? I'm not looking for a fancy fusion place. But some place authentic, traditional and good.

Many thanks in advance!

And a Happy (and Horny) New Year to all!

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2267955]Hi guys,

Kind of off topic, but does anyone have any recommendations for a good Indonesian restaurant.
Can anyone recommend a good Indonesian restaurant? I'm not looking for a fancy fusion place. But some place authentic, traditional and good.
[/QUOTE]There is a Jakarta-Restaurants thread, check here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2451-Jakarta-Restaurants[/URL].

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2267955]
Can anyone recommend a good Indonesian restaurant? I'm not looking for a fancy fusion place. But some place authentic, traditional and good.

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]How authentic do you want it?

Starting at the bottom, you have the Kaki-lima push and peddle carts. They typically sell only one type of product but it can be very nice. These are often seen on the move or clustered around low end restaurants (warungs). The warungs may be sit on the floor or at tables and will likely have what they sell displayed in the window.

If you want a wide selection of food Nasi Padang is very common restaurant type country wide. It will have that written across the front of the building. The small ones will have the food in the window and you point at what you want. At the larger ones, you grab a seat and a waiter will fill the table with different dishes. Typically two serves per bowl. Whatever you touch, you have bought and can eat. Whatever you don't want just leave in the center of the table. You will only be charged for what you ate, not what you left behind. Sederhana Masakan Padang is a famous chain country wide and serves great meals.

Note that all of these will be found in commercial or residential areas. You will be unlikely to find them next to 5 star hotels.

Enjoy, G

PS you will be very unlikely to get ill but bring a Food and Safety Inspector and watch them die of fright. 😳

First trip to Jakarta. Have been to other parts of Indonesia over many years, but mostly diving, scuba that is:—) .

Stayed at the Harris Vertu in Harmoni (reviewed in the other forum). Although a perfectly good modern hotel located very close to one of the "brothel areas", next time will take the advice of some on this forum and stay at nice hotel and area further south. Once you get used to the way transport works, it would make for a better stay. I used Blue Bird and mostly Grab. Grab works well. I never waited more than 5 minutes, although finding your pickup location at times can be eventful.

I was in town for a few days, but mostly unable to do really late nights / early mornings, so the places I visited reflects this.

Indonesia and Jakarta esp. Seems to have a quiet confidence these days. Compared to when I first came out, after the Asian financial crisis and the end of the Sukarno dictatorship when people did not smile and greet and go out of their way to be helpful. Now a different place.

Grand Imperial Spa. I like Asian spas, and as others on this forum have noted, this place caters for Japanese and Korean clientele. The "rest area" is almost non existent, but maybe more than most, with some basic tables surrounding the pools, sauna etc. There is a 'scrubbing' area at the back. This is not same place where the scrub is done that is part of the 'package', which is upstairs.

The (shiatsu) massage was really good, but the HR rather lame. I think my masseuse had, how shall I say, her boundaries. The scrub after was also good, and good fun!

I would visit here again, but only if I where in the area. Probably not travel across Jakarta especially for the experience.

Delta Spa (Harmoni). I wanted a good massage, which I got. This place does not have a sauna / spa, just massage rooms. Again, the HR was rather lame, and I asked masseuse to just forget it. However, as the massage was very good, she got a good tip nonetheless.

Malio Hotel / Spa. Went late afternoon on a weekday, so busy. Lots of very noisey dudes in the Sauna pools, so just took a shower.

The idea of having to sauna and bath in those shorts they give out at Jakarta Spas is not my idea of a sauna. Perhaps it's just the Northern European in me that feels one must be naked in a sauna. Perhaps it's a local regulation that enforces this, maybe just local custom?

Walked up to the 2nd Floor, "M-Bar" and took the line up. In retrospect, maybe I should have hung around a bit, had a drink and chatted to some of the gals.

Had a seriously good f £&k, with a bit of massage. Very friendly gal, with goodish English.

(In general, I really liked how easy it is to communicate with Indonesians, even in the grip of having sex.).

Sumo Spa. This seems like a long way out. Some rather amazing housing estate architecture on the way, if you do it in daylight.

BTW, the google map co-ordinates are way off (and so is the Grab map). Places this place in a foul waterway. I know that some Jakarta brothels can be low end, but surely not this bad!

It's located in two streets to the right of Kings Cross. Not the street the Delta Spa is located. I think Google has is as 'Sumo Shiatsu'. Maybe they will correct the map reference. If you get there after dark, there is a big neon sign, but in daylight, you may miss it.

Didn't use the Spa this time, went straight to the lounge. Lots of gal, big variety. Seems a friendly easy going place. I was there the afternoon of a Saturday. Took the VIP package for around 450 k and was shown half a dozen ladies. Again, had a really good session with very friendly gal. (Always choose the ones that smile and make eye contact in the line-ups.).

Would return, but this place is somewhat far out.

Emporium Hotel / Tease Bar. The Spa is nice, with a few good resting areas, and a few gals hanging around. Just took a shower. This was around 10 pm on a Saturday. Went up to the tease bar. Loud music, dancers, not dancers, "lady drinks" . My first experience of one of these in Jakarta so cannot really rate it.

Also, could not figure out how the system worked. I think I may have been told but could not understand what was being explained, and with the very loud music.

However, got a couple of contacts to look up later. A couple of very, very good looking gals. So spend a few hours chatting, and then went back down to the lounge on the second floor. Place was empty.

All the VIP ladies just looked bored, so just chose the one that was making an effort. Turned out this was her first night working. So a bit shy, but had a good enough session.

Definitely will do this place again, it's relatively "high end", with good facilities. Also a convenient location.

So that is my first Jakarta trip. No Malio Club, 1001, CJ or Bats etc. Yet.

Jakarta is worth the trip, just need to adjust to its ways. Prices are low compared to other Asia places, this will remain as long as the RUP is the way it is. Maybe for not that much longer.

Also, there is a tenancy to inflate the bills at these places when paying at the end, maybe because I am westerner, but given the overall what you are paying, it's not (at the moment) too damaging.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2267515]I was ther last night. Arrived at 12:45 and left a little beforre 1 am. Didn't see anything to really keep me there.[/QUOTE]So you were there about 10 minutes then left? That's what I would have done as well considering you went at least an hour before anything gets started there. If you go to My Bar, the optimal arrival time is 3am. It's a place guys go as a last resort after not finding anything at cjs or bats and those places have just closed. My Bar is open until 5am.

[QUOTE=TravelLucid;2268155]
Delta Spa (Harmoni). I wanted a good massage, which I got. This place does not have a sauna / spa, just massage rooms. Again, the HR was rather lame, and I asked masseuse to just forget it. However, as the massage was very good, she got a good tip nonetheless.[/QUOTE]I went there about 6 months ago and they wanted 900,000 for a hot stone massage. I thought that was too much so I left. I had paid 600 k just a few months earlier and they were claiming the price has gone up. Was the price 900 k?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2267095]Good to know! Are they the ones that hang out outside the fishbowl?[/QUOTE]No. The free lancers are most likely the last ones who will be hanging outside the fishbowl. Those girls outside the fishbowl are there to smoke and eat and chit chat with each other. The girls in the fishbowl are more interested in making some money and that is most likely where the free lancers will be. Any girl with FL on her number badge will be a free lancer. Free lancer just means they don't get a monthly salary just for showing up and that they will cost the customers 50k more so they get about 20k more than the other girls each time they go upstairs. They get more leeway with being able to show up late or sometimes even not show up at all. But they are not truly able to do whatever they like, so the term free lancer is misleading.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2267955]
Can anyone recommend a good Indonesian restaurant? I'm not looking for a fancy fusion place. But some place authentic, traditional and good.[/QUOTE]Lara Djonggrang.

[URL]https://www.tuguhotels.com/restaurants/jakarta/laradjonggrang/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2268246]So you were there about 10 minutes then left? That's what I would have done as well considering you went at least an hour before anything gets started there. If you go to My Bar, the optimal arrival time is 3am. It's a place guys go as a last resort after not finding anything at cjs or bats and those places have just closed. My Bar is open until 5am.[/QUOTE]Duly noted sir!

Still learning the ropes here. So will put it back on the itinerary. Even though 3 AM is a bit late for me.

I suspect this place would just attract the rejects form BATS and CJs, no?

Hey guys,

I'm a long time member but have been inactive for a decade or so and thus the new account and no posts. Sorry if this is not the place for this also but thought I'd offer since I am able to. Any guys visiting Jakarta looking for hot free sex PM me. I'm Caucasian male with a 35 year old sexy Indonesian wife and we are swingers so no issues to lend her out. I need to be there for her safety but other than that few rules. Just be respectful. We won't be able to handle all requests obviously. She prefers Caucasian guys normally but you never know.

Enjoy Jakarta.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2268327]I suspect this place would just attract the rejects form BATS and CJs, no?[/QUOTE]Correct. The leftovers from CJ, BATS, then go to other places. They rotate.

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2268343]Correct. The leftovers from CJ, BATS, then go to other places. They rotate.[/QUOTE]True. And sometimes girls from CJs or BATS who were not leftovers, but just went short time will show up at My Bar. Then there are also a few girls who only go to My Bar. To be realistic, I don't consider My Bar to be much of an option. It's a last resort because you never know if there will be any decent girls in there or not. The good thing about girls from My Bar is they are almost a guarantee to be naughty in bed.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2268351]True. And sometimes girls from CJs or BATS who were not leftovers, but just went short time will show up at My Bar. Then there are also a few girls who only go to My Bar. To be realistic, I don't consider My Bar to be much of an option. It's a last resort because you never know if there will be any decent girls in there or not. The good thing about girls from My Bar is they are almost a guarantee to be naughty in bed.[/QUOTE]There was a time when a couple of girls would also try to get in a quick ST before CJs / BATS getting busy. Often was at the defunct TopGun and prices were the normal Blok M prices.

Shame that's gone now.

Hey,

Just quickly read 20 pages of this forum super fast. Wasnt planning to go to Jakarta but I think I will end up having 2-3 nights there. Flying out in a few days so realised I don't have much time.

Asking some super noobie questions below. Hope someone can point me to the right direction. Please also welcome to PM me too, and am happy to take recommendation girls.

Ok, so looks like I will stay at a girlfriendly hotel and take blue bird taxi to get to places. I summarised that there are FL bars CJ and BATS. The prices of LT for these girls are 2 m?

The brothels I gather there are hotel classic and hotel travel, hotel alexis (and a list of others gathered from the forum. I'm currently confused why there are many different levels in hotel classic and how it all works? Is it a spa? What kind of building is it in? These places you point and shoot and ST will cost you 1 m?

Then there are the strip clubs. Malio Club where you can get ST. How is this related to Malioboro?

I prefer LT so do you suggest I go to the brothels during the day then get a FL LT from CJ / BATS at night?

Also what is Blok M? I keep on seeing it mentioned here and not sure what sort of venue that is.

Many thanks!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2268351]True. And sometimes girls from CJs or BATS who were not leftovers, but just went short time will show up at My Bar. Then there are also a few girls who only go to My Bar. To be realistic, I don't consider My Bar to be much of an option. It's a last resort because you never know if there will be any decent girls in there or not. The good thing about girls from My Bar is they are almost a guarantee to be naughty in bed.[/QUOTE]Quite true I would agree that's it's a place to find a decent girl but it's an option for local girls. I can't comment on the other bars as I got to My Bar when I am in Jakarta but you do sometimes find that rare gem and in my case a "deadfish". However the quality of the girls most are friendly and easy to speak with. Although on New Year's eve I noticed a strange phenomenon. There were these two girls one regular and one very new at the bar but they rejected everyone that approached them. Japanese, Korean, Caucasian and locals, even drinks they didn't accept. So sometimes you will strike out. I don't consider it the bottom of the barrel because girls from CJ's and Bats do show up eventually (after 2:00 am). I would say the level of girls in Blok M are mostly 6/7's with a few 9's and a few 0. 5 in between. But it was a lot better a few years ago.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2268248]I went there about 6 months ago and they wanted 900,000 for a hot stone massage. I thought that was too much so I left. I had paid 600 k just a few months earlier and they were claiming the price has gone up. Was the price 900 k?[/QUOTE]I cannot recall exactly, but it was in the 600 k region.

[QUOTE=Bkk212;2268616]Quite true I would agree that's it's a place to find a decent girl but it's an option for local girls. I can't comment on the other bars as I got to My Bar when I am in Jakarta but you do sometimes find that rare gem and in my case a "deadfish". However the quality of the girls most are friendly and easy to speak with. Although on New Year's eve I noticed a strange phenomenon. There were these two girls one regular and one very new at the bar but they rejected everyone that approached them. Japanese, Korean, Caucasian and locals, even drinks they didn't accept. So sometimes you will strike out. I don't consider it the bottom of the barrel because girls from CJ's and Bats do show up eventually (after 2:00 am). I would say the level of girls in Blok M are mostly 6/7's with a few 9's and a few 0. 5 in between. But it was a lot better a few years ago.[/QUOTE]Thanks but I think I will pass. That is way too late for me and quality doesn't' sounds all that good.

One place I'd like to try is Dragonfly. Not a lot of info on the board about this joint. Does anyone have info, like what days are best to go? May go tomorrow or Friday to give it a try.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2268733]Thanks but I think I will pass. That is way too late for me and quality doesn't' sounds all that good.

One place I'd like to try is Dragonfly. Not a lot of info on the board about this joint. Does anyone have info, like what days are best to go? May go tomorrow or Friday to give it a try.[/QUOTE]Dragonfly is not an easy place to pick up girls. But Wednesday Friday and Saturday are the busy nights.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2268733]Thanks but I think I will pass. That is way too late for me and quality doesn't' sounds all that good.

One place I'd like to try is Dragonfly. Not a lot of info on the board about this joint. Does anyone have info, like what days are best to go? May go tomorrow or Friday to give it a try.[/QUOTE]Enough young cool dudes. Blaring music. Packs of girls over 25 who don't speak English. So, you have to compete, buy them drinks, probably book a table, separate them, somehow communicate with them and for what? Overall very nice place to have fun and dance. I have been on a Friday night, check the web, I think they are full only twice a week, but I may be wrong.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2264407]Ok so fortunately I hooked up with a cute girl from date site for my first day and things were good. She was going to stay for 2 days. We haggled a bit over whatsapp and I thought she might be a bit mercenary but we came to an agreement. She showed up was cute, seemed sweet and we got along well. In the morning she got a call from her uncle about her mom being in hospital. She had to go which was fine but she spent about an hour trying to convince me to give her the money for the second day with the promise that she would return in the future. I gave her the agreed upon money for one day. I refused to give her money for second day which she promised she would come back for in the future. Now the unfortunate part. She left sent a few texts to ask for money then asked to come back to room and then she came up with an ultimatum that I put $300 in her bank account within 2 hours or she would go to police. All of these I ignored. I have pretty much made up my mind to ignore this black mail attempt.

Curious if anyone has any advice. I think the chats themselves pretty well identify that I didn't harm her if she goes to the police to try and claim that but I have no idea whether police here are reasonable or if they would be interested in working with her to get a cut, etc. An alternative would be for me to preempt her and go to the police to report what she is trying to do but I have doubts as to whether that would go over well. Any advice throw it up in this section please, unfortunately I cannot receive pms on here.

Hopefully I can put this behind me and have a great trip. Later I can post pic of her so others can avoid also.[/QUOTE]I was having lunch with a buddy today and he told me of a very similar situation. He had contacted a tinder girl and agreed to 1.5 million short time. He works Tinder often when his wife is out of town. The tinder girl arrived and they did the deed, he gave her the 1.5 and everything seemed to be fine. However, she then demanded another 3 million or she would call the police and say she was raped. He said she went totally nuts on him and was screaming at him to give her the 3 million. He was reluctant to call security in that situation since he is a full time resident in Jakarta and was not in a hotel, but rather he was in his apartment and his wife was out of town. He didn't feel the scandal was worth it, so he actually did give her the 3 million.

After hearing two different stories that are so similar, it seems this may be a new trend. His girl was not the same girl though, his girl had a tattoo on her stomach.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2269189] <snip> He didn't feel the scandal was worth it, so he actually did give her the 3 million.
After hearing two different stories that are so similar, it seems this may be a new trend. [/QUOTE]This girl got a pretty good deal. She doubled her earnings by screaming and going crazy for 10 minutes.
She will inform a few friends and word will spread. Thanks for the warning. I plan to stay away from Tinder when visiting Jakarta.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2269308]This girl got a pretty good deal. She doubled her earnings by screaming and going crazy for 10 minutes.
She will inform a few friends and word will spread. Thanks for the warning. I plan to stay away from Tinder when visiting Jakarta.[/QUOTE]I think tinder is still pretty safe. But it is concerning. She walked out of there with 4.5 million total so she more than doubled her money. The extra 3 million was pure extortion. If she had done that to me, I would have gladly called security and they would have sided with me for sure since they have known me for years and hauled her butt away. But I don't have the problem of a wife complicating things.

The guy who lives in the place next door to me threw a girl out of his place one night completely naked. She was in the hall pounding on his door naked yelling for her clothes. She went downstairs nude and came back upstairs with security. She told them she wanted her clothes and she wanted 2 million rupiah because the guy had guaranteed her that money for sex. The guy did end up giving her her clothes, but no money. Security hauled her out of there screaming. If they handled that situation like that, I would think I would be pretty safe. Turns out he threw her out because she refused a 2nd round. He likely should have given her some money.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2269330]I think tinder is still pretty safe. But it is concerning. She walked out of there with 4.5 million total so she more than doubled her money. The extra 3 million was pure extortion. If she had done that to me, I would have gladly called security and they would have sided with me for sure since they have known me for years and hauled her butt away. But I don't have the problem of a wife complicating things.

The guy who lives in the place next door to me threw a girl out of his place one night completely naked. She was in the hall pounding on his door naked yelling for her clothes. She went downstairs nude and came back upstairs with security. She told them she wanted her clothes and she wanted 2 million rupiah because the guy had guaranteed her that money for sex. The guy did end up giving her her clothes, but no money. Security hauled her out of there screaming. If they handled that situation like that, I would think I would be pretty safe. Turns out he threw her out because she refused a 2nd round. He likely should have given her some money.[/QUOTE]I think your friend was crazy bringing a hooker back to his matrimonial home. Once the girl sees the family pics on the wall he's a sitting duck for blackmail which indeed happened. A short time hotel would have proven a great investment.

I'd agree that long term residents do have some advantages over new visitors. They know the ropes, are more likely to avoid getting into trouble I the first place and likely have the experience to be able to more easily get out of trouble should it occurr. The girls are also taking a bigger risk at extorting them as they quite often have work or business contact who can provide support. I know I've shut down situations by simply handing over my phone and suggesting she call any General in my contact list. When they have mentioned calling the police I have also asked if she knows what happens to cute 22 yo girls once detained in a police station.

One thing I would caution against is the foreigner being the one to physically remove the girl. If the girl can show evidence of physical assault things can turn ugly quickly. Much better to make the use of security or simply remove yourself from the problem area.

Enjoy, G.

[QUOTE=JavaGuy69;2268329]Hey guys,

I'm a long time member but have been inactive for a decade or so and thus the new account and no posts. Sorry if this is not the place for this also but thought I'd offer since I am able to. Any guys visiting Jakarta looking for hot free sex PM me. I'm Caucasian male with a 35 year old sexy Indonesian wife and we are swingers so no issues to lend her out. I need to be there for her safety but other than that few rules. Just be respectful. We won't be able to handle all requests obviously. She prefers Caucasian guys normally but you never know.

Enjoy Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Tried this one out last night. I normally don't post but they asked me to. She is sexy and looks much younger than she is. Great body and awesome tits. Great BBBJ and 69 followed by some intense riding and doggy finish. She really loves to fuck. She begged me to come on her face which I did gladly. Got her number and will try to meet again while I'm in town. Best sex I've had on my trip to Jakarta and no cost and wasted time.

Does anyone know what genre that screeching music they play at places like New Medika, Kota Indah, Classic Level 5 is? I don't think I've heard that style of music outside of Indonesia. The music dampens the experience some what.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2269910]Does anyone know what genre that screeching music they play at places like New Medika, Kota Indah, Classic Level 5 is? I don't think I've heard that style of music outside of Indonesia. The music dampens the experience some what.[/QUOTE]It is called HOUSE MUSIC DANGDUT. That music is mainly popular with the lower class uneducated locals, that's why they play it in those places. Those aren't exactly up market establishments.

Here's a sample for your enjoyment.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7Qz1RUacAw[/URL]

[QUOTE=Marky1;2269910]Does anyone know what genre that screeching music they play at places like New Medika, Kota Indah, Classic Level 5 is? I don't think I've heard that style of music outside of Indonesia. The music dampens the experience some what.[/QUOTE]Its not dangdut brothers its called dugem:

Here's a example they play it every where also in classic terminal and in malio club.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H53RvvBtdpE[/URL]

[QUOTE=Blacka0;2270149]Its not dangdut brothers its called dugem:

Here's a example they play it every where also in classic terminal and in malio club.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H53RvvBtdpE[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes, you can say "do you like music dugem?", and the locals will pretty much know what you mean. However, Dugem means "clubbing". The actual music is called House Music. They mostly play dangdut house music in those places, but will also play house music with English songs as well. That house music is synonymous with dugem in the indo discos. If you do a search for dugem house music, you will surely find it. I actually prefer the dangdut version of it, I'm not a big fan of when they mix English songs.

I keep hundreds of those type of songs on my computer and play them every time I bring a girl home so she can dance for me in my place.

I went to Emporium club last night and as expected Sunday was a slow night there. I assume it's the same everywhere around Jakarta at this time. Nonetheless, I was surprised to find a local band performing and girls in bikinis and see through fishnets would be dancing on stage when the DJ took over intermittently. The waitress mentioned that they usually have Romanian dancers performing these routines on Wednesdays, or was it Thursdays? I was surprised that she specifically mentioned Romanians. Not that I am that interested but just curious if that is in fact true.

Anyway, I learned from the PR who accompanied me that you can have a full service session with these dancers. However, it is going to cost you 3. 5 million per hour which is ridiculous. Besides, many of these dancers last night was probably just a 6 at best.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2270679]I went to Emporium club last night and as expected Sunday was a slow night there. I assume it's the same everywhere around Jakarta at this time. Nonetheless, I was surprised to find a local band performing and girls in bikinis and see through fishnets would be dancing on stage when the DJ took over intermittently. The waitress mentioned that they usually have Romanian dancers performing these routines on Wednesdays, or was it Thursdays? I was surprised that she specifically mentioned Romanians. Not that I am that interested but just curious if that is in fact true.

Anyway, I learned from the PR who accompanied me that you can have a full service session with these dancers. However, it is going to cost you 3. 5 million per hour which is ridiculous. Besides, many of these dancers last night was probably just a 6 at best.[/QUOTE]Hi Ggekko, thanks for your report.

Based on your description you obviously went to the Tease Club up on the 5th or 6th floor of the Emporium Hotel. I have not been there yet, but it is high up on my to do list even though I agree with you that 3. 5 mil is crazy crazy. Are you sure that was the price for Indo girls not imports and for in-house and not take away?

In any case, you should have gone to Emporium Spa on the 2nd floor. It is one of my favorite places in town. They have a band there on certain nights too, but no foreign import girls, only Indo girls and no bikinis. The regular girls are 800,000 and VIP girls are 1,2 mil. I always chose a VIP girl. They just looked better to me. IMHO Emporium had a good selection of VIP girls and their service was great. By comparison, 1001 Hotel has a much larger selection of girls at a higher price of 1.4 mil plus a 200,000 drink minimum charge making it 1.6 mil.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2270679]I went to Emporium club last night and as expected Sunday was a slow night there. I assume it's the same everywhere around Jakarta at this time. Nonetheless, I was surprised to find a local band performing and girls in bikinis and see through fishnets would be dancing on stage when the DJ took over intermittently. The waitress mentioned that they usually have Romanian dancers performing these routines on Wednesdays, or was it Thursdays? I was surprised that she specifically mentioned Romanians. Not that I am that interested but just curious if that is in fact true.

Anyway, I learned from the PR who accompanied me that you can have a full service session with these dancers. However, it is going to cost you 3. 5 million per hour which is ridiculous. Besides, many of these dancers last night was probably just a 6 at best.[/QUOTE]The romanians are the same dancers as at coloseum club, they go to emporium once a week. They don't go naked, just sexy costumes.

[QUOTE=HihiSter;2270757]The romanians are the same dancers as at coloseum club, they go to emporium once a week. They don't go naked, just sexy costumes.[/QUOTE]Oh, so they are the ones. I thought those in Colo are Russians, not Romanians. I guess I assumed wrong then.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2270774]Oh, so they are the ones. I thought those in Colo are Russians, not Romanians. I guess I assumed wrong then.[/QUOTE]If I am not mistaken, every white prostitute in Jakarta is either Ukrainian or Romanian. Simply because those are the two countries in the world with extremely poor populations that have white women in them.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2270798]If I am not mistaken, every white prostitute in Jakarta is either Ukrainian or Romanian. Simply because those are the two countries in the world with extremely poor populations that have white women in them.[/QUOTE]You mean in Europe, because in Colombia and in Brazil (and maybe in other SAmerican countries?) I know there are very poor white women also.

[QUOTE=Blacka0;2270149]Its not dangdut brothers its called dugem:
[/QUOTE]Dugem is an abbreviation of dunia gemerlap and is used to refer to (night) clubs and disco's. Dunia=world and gemerlap=blinking. The later, referring to the reflection of thousands of tiny dots by the spinning sphere that used to be in those places, hanging from the ceiling. Later, even tiny clandestine bars al fresco, like the ones they had in places like Tegal Rotan in Bintaro or Parung, are called places of (where to) dugem.
So, the music is house dangdut and as it is associated with dugem places, where it is usually heard.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2270842]
So, the music is house dangdut and as it is associated with dugem places, where it is usually heard.[/QUOTE]And it may be the best music in the world.

Damn all the cute internet girls it seems want 1 million plus for a one and done. Can find a few good ones for better pricing but it takes a long time. By the way Swiss Belhotel blocks access to ISG. One of the many reasons I wouldn't stay there again.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2270920]Damn all the cute internet girls it seems want 1 million plus for a one and done. Can find a few good ones for better pricing but it takes a long time. By the way Swiss Belhotel blocks access to ISG. One of the many reasons I wouldn't stay there again.[/QUOTE]You are going to have the same issue with access to ISG everywhere in Indonesia. The only way around is to use a VPN.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2270798]If I am not mistaken, every white prostitute in Jakarta is either Ukrainian or Romanian. Simply because those are the two countries in the world with extremely poor populations that have white women in them.[/QUOTE]They are from Uzbekistan not Romania or Ukraine. The white hookers in Europe are from Bulgaria, Romania and Hungaria or Poland these are the poorest countries.

Well I missed a flight and ended up staying in Thailand 2 extra days but I finally made it. My plan arrived a hour late and I found myself at the hotel about midnight. Time I showered and changed rooms at shangri la hotel it was 12:45 when I went out to explore.

First stop was Malio club. I hope this helps newbies to the area learn from my mistakes. I walked in to Malio and was immediately surrounded by groups of ladies wanting shots and drinks. It was a little too much to start. One group came over and I thought they were the most attractive so I offered them a drink. I was still trying to adapt my ear to the broken English they spoke but I guess I agreed to 5 tequila shots each. I had two on top of me rubbing my hands all over chest. 2 others licking my nipples and 1 other doing something else. They say go upstairs. Ok that sounds interesting. Upstairs we went. This is when they got a shot of steroids with wanting wanting wanting. The shots were taken away without any of them taking one. I had 3 guy waiters asking for tips. I immediately realized this wasn't for me. I ask for bill and get up. I came across some level headed ladies and sat down. Next thing I know a bucket of beers show up. I tell waiter I didn't order and go to the front to pay. The beers were still on bill. I waited 15 minutes for them to sort it out. Finally, bill comes without that charge. This was a quick 90 dollar lesson. I don't recommend malio to any newbies. Or hopefully my report makes you aware of what not to do so you can stop it from happening.

By this time it was shortly after 2 pm and I try to race to kotah indah. They were closed upon arrival.

Then I check emporium. Closed.

I then go to block m remembering they stay open late. Everything closed except my bar. Nothing but a bunch of old hags and 1 young spinner who claimed to be on period but I think she had something for DJ and didn't want to go.

Today got better. Report soon come.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2270954]
First stop was Malio club. I hope this helps newbies to the area learn from my mistakes. I walked in to Malio and was immediately surrounded by groups of ladies wanting shots and drinks. It was a little too much to start.
By this time it was shortly after 2 pm and I try to race to kotah indah. They were closed upon arrival.

Then I check emporium. Closed.

I then go to block m remembering they stay open late. Everything closed except my bar. Nothing but a bunch of old hags and 1 young spinner who claimed to be on period but I think she had something for DJ and didn't want to go.

Today got better. Report soon come.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree that Malio might not be optimal for first timers, but I love it. HA HA. Somewhere in a previous post I said Malioboro was "calmer". You should have retreated upstairs and over to Malioboro if things were getting out of hand in Malio. My success in Malio Club is based on being firm with the dancers. #1 I only buy drinks for the dancers I am interested in. When other girls come over, I just say NO, I am looking for another girl in a friendly but firm way. They figure it out and will eventually leave me alone. Even when I am surrounded by 4 or 5 dancers of which only 1 in the group I might be interested in, I just say to the others, not now girls. I want to talk with this one and they move on, reluctantly sometimes LOL, but they move on. #2, when I am with a dancer I desire assuming, I have not been with her before, I agree to 2 lady drinks (60,000 each) as a matter of course because it is required if you want to continue with the girl. This starts the process. The girl will then get very friendly, you know what I mean, and usually she will make her pitch before she downs the 2nd lady drink. The pitch might be upstairs mezzanine for a BJ or just more privacy for drinking and groping, or a private room for boom boom. If she does not make an offer before or immediately after the 2nd lady drink, you will be hit up for 5 more lady drinks. Count on it. I sometimes agree to this 2nd request if I am in the right mood and having a good time with the girl. No doubt /100% guaranteed she will make an offer after the 2nd drink (the 4th in total) of the 5. Offers vary. Like I said sometimes its 1 mil for a BJ on mezzanine or in private room. Sometimes the offer is for full servie. If a BJ is the offer, then that is my cue to counter with No, I want full service. To which the dancer will either ask for 2 mil or 3 mil depending on I don't know what for full service. A little confused? Ha ha. Don't be. That's Malio Club. You just have to roll with it and yet be firm at the same time. You CAN get what you want and keep the drink total under control. I have never been not satisfied there.

Alternatively, you could always just pick a couch girl if one strikes your fancy. No drinks necessary or even requested. The price is always 900,000 or 1.1 mil depending on the girl for full service upstairs in a private room. Easy! Good! Just tell a handy, friendly mamasan that you want to see her girls.

And as I said earlier, Malioboro is similar, but calmer so probably it's more manageable for first time visits. Malioboro has dancers as well, but for some reason these dancers are not quite as forward with the drink requests plus there are not as many. Their price is 1. 7 mil. Boom. Simple. And in Malioborro there are a lot more couch girls both Indo local girls (900,000 & 1. 1 mil) and the imports comprised mainly of Viets, Kazaks, Chinese, and a few fugly white Russian Federation girls (1. 7 mil to 2 mil). I like both places and frequently go back and forth inside the building until I find what I am looking for.

After you left Malio I am surprised you did not check out Bats since you are staying at the Shangri La and it was getting late. When I stayed at the Shang, I always dropped by Bats after whatever I did in the North. Sometimes I found a good girl in Bats and made it a 2 Fer. So convenient!

Anyway, I am looking forward to more of your trip reports. Glad to hear things are looking up. Keep on rocking!

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2270954]Well I missed a flight and ended up staying in Thailand 2 extra days but I finally made it. My plan arrived a hour late and I found myself at the hotel about midnight. Time I showered and changed rooms at shangri la hotel it was 12:45 when I went out to explore.[/QUOTE]Arriving late and staying at the Shangrila. And you didn't check BATS at 1 am before venturing elsewhere?

Sunday at BATS isn't fantastic but it has resulted in a number of accompanied exits of good quality over time. Certainly much better than achieved at Blok M on a Sunday anytime this decade.

Any reading below would have highlighted BATS, and CJs as the alternate for searches in bars at night on off peak days.

Though these days I usually start swiping hard right on Tinder the moment wheels hit the runway at CGK, can also produce results (though maybe a touch delayed depending on luck, and your profile)

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2270982]Malioboro has dancers as well, but for some reason these dancers are not quite as forward with the drink requests plus there are not as many.

After you left Malio I am surprised you did not check out Bats since you are staying at the Shangri La and it was getting late. When I stayed at the Shang, I always dropped by Bats after whatever I did in the North. Sometimes I found a good girl in Bats and made it a 2 Fer. So convenient![/QUOTE]I don't think I have ever been anywhere that has girls who are more aggressively pushing drinks than they are at Malio. If you can handle those girls, you can handle anywhere. LOL.

I went to Shangri-La the other night. I arrived just after 2 am and there was some good talent there at that late hour (some of them had just returned from short time sessions upstairs). One of the girls I noticed being there was Juni. I hadn't seen her there in a while, but she is back in action. I would recommend her to anyone simply because she is a world class fuck, in my opinion you won't find a girl better in bed than that chick. She is the only girl in all of Southeast Asia who actually deep throated me. Best BJ ever! She can go all the way down on my cock, then stick out her tongue and wrap it around the bottom of my balls. It's amazing. She is short, probably around 5 feet tall, dark skinned with long wavey brown hair (extensions). She looks like she might be Indian (because I think her father actually is Indian and her mother is Indo, but not certain about that). She's quite attractive in my opinion and has a unique look relative to the other girls. She has big boobs with a visible tattoo on her left boob of a small heart. I don't specifically recommend many girls, but that chick is a unique experience. You know what they say, crazy in the head, crazy in the bed.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2270694]
In any case, you should have gone to Emporium Spa on the 2nd floor. It is one of my favorite places in town. They have a band there on certain nights too, but no foreign import girls, only Indo girls and no bikinis. The regular girls are 800,000 and VIP girls are 1,2 mil. I always chose a VIP girl. They just looked better to me. IMHO Emporium had a good selection of VIP girls and their service was great. By comparison, 1001 Hotel has a much larger selection of girls at a higher price of 1.4 mil plus a 200,000 drink minimum charge making it 1.6 mil.[/QUOTE]I took up on your advice and visited the spa last night on the second floor. It was almost midnight by the time I got there and the spa closes at 2 AM on weekdays and Saturdays. There were plenty of VIP girls but only a few regular ones left. The mamisan presented me with the pricing (VIP room upgrade cost a 200 K extra) and girls preference. I told her that I want someone who is friendly, chatty, can provide good service and has a "Toge" body. I think that means tight body with big natural boobs in Bahasa. One thing I like about Indo girls are that there are more of them with this criteria than say Thai girls (mostly small or fake) or even Colombian ones (mostly fakes).

I selected one among the few that she recommended and was glad that I picked her. We were able to connect and she had great attitude and provided me with a pretty good service. Anyway, during the course of the conversation, I mentioned how I enjoy Colosseum if there happens to be a good DJ in town. She hinted how she would like to go there with me this Saturday and she can try to get an off day. Still thinking if I would do so with her though.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2271060] ...her that I want someone who is friendly, chatty, can provide good service and has a "Toge" body. I think that means tight body with big natural boobs in Bahasa. One thing I like about Indo girls are that there are more of them with this criteria than say Thai girls (mostly small or fake) or even Colombian ones (mostly fakes).

.[/QUOTE]Toge is bahasa Gaul from "Toket Gede" Toket is bahasa prokem meaning tetek / tits. Gede is bahasa Jawa meaning large. So you requested a girl with big breasts, that being if you actually pronounced toge correctly (and that's unlikely). If you pronounced toge incorrectly and it sounded to the mamasan like towgay then you probably requested a girl that looks like a Gecko!(towkay).

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2271060]friendly, chatty, can provide good service and has a "Toge" body (I think that means tight body with big natural boobs). [/QUOTE]Interesting. I usually ask for bitchy, stuck up, poor service old lard asses.

I never even thought of asking for a friendly, chatty, hard body with big tits who provides good service. I don't think many guys would be into that. Lucky you specifically requested it. Just kidding. As obvious as it may seem that every guy might want those exact same characteristics, it's actually not the case.

I think the main request from the locals is young, tall, slim and most importantly of all is white skin. They don't care too much about friendly, chatty, or big boobs. If the girl is short and has dark skin, they will be revolted. Most of the locals I know don't even like girls with big boobs, they consider those girls to be fat even if the girl has a six pack stomach. They prefer young girls who look like 10 year old boys with no tits at all as long as they have white skin and look almost skeleton like and have bigger noses.

When you didn't request tall with white skin, the mamasan was likely thrilled and immediately grabbed the darkest skinned and shortest girl in the place. Not that that is a bad thing if she has big boobs and a firm body.

[QUOTE=UsPete;2271084]Toge is bahasa Gaul from "Toket Gede" Toket is bahasa prokem meaning tetek / tits. Gede is bahasa Jawa meaning large. So you requested a girl with big breasts, that being if you actually pronounced toge correctly (and that's unlikely). If you pronounced toge incorrectly and it sounded to the mamasan like towgay then you probably requested a girl that looks like a Gecko!(towkay).[/QUOTE]Isn't this pronounced "towgay"?

For those who have not been to Classic, here are some photos of one of their VIP rooms. I think this one is Deluxe VIP 5.

Going to be in Mangga Dua for a few days at the end of the month for some Kota Indah fun. Reading about clubs like Malio seem way too over the top for me. Just looking for a local crowd with cute 18-22 year olds. First time in Indonesia (though I've studied the language some). Was wondering what the best route from the airport to hotel is in Mangga Dua (bus, taxi, train)? Also, how's the street food? Ever gotten sick from eating it? Come on, Smoothy, any inside tips for a young guy? After reading your posts, all I can picture is the Most Interesting Man in the World for Dos Equis beer.

Trying to get a few pointers from the local veterans here.

Given Tuesday night has always the slowest night of the week from my experience, where would you go to have a few hours for a decent time if you are really bored from the cabin fever, say after 11 PM. I am just looking for places to spend a few hours with no intention to bring back anyone tonight. Any pointers?

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2271201]Trying to get a few pointers from the local veterans here.

Given Tuesday night has always the slowest night of the week from my experience, where would you go to have a few hours for a decent time if you are really bored from the cabin fever, say after 11 PM. I am just looking for places to spend a few hours with no intention to bring back anyone tonight. Any pointers?[/QUOTE]Sorry we didn't meet up yesterday. The girl I had visit me was just OK. Kind of a surprise as I had a great time with her upstairs at LA earlier this trip.

In any case, I'd recommend poking your head into KI as things will be slower as there won't be as many local punters about on Tuesday night. Best pars there for me were LA, Royal and Sari Ayu. If that doesn't work hop a grabtaxi to Malio. There is more of a chance for GFE service there.

Kelapa Gading is another option. As I understand things Kings Cross and Sumo don; t get going until later in the evening. Though the girls there were not anything special enough to justify the trek all the way out there.

BTW: CJs was very good when I was there on Sunday and there were at lest 5 girls I would have liked to try. But I really liked the girl I was with, who, at lest for me, was the hottest in the bar. So it may be back in full swing after the holidays now.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2271132]Going to be in Mangga Dua for a few days at the end of the month for some Kota Indah fun. Reading about clubs like Malio seem way too over the top for me. Just looking for a local crowd with cute 18-22 year olds. First time in Indonesia (though I've studied the language some). Was wondering what the best route from the airport to hotel is in Mangga Dua (bus, taxi, train)? Also, how's the street food? Ever gotten sick from eating it? Come on, Smoothy, any inside tips for a young guy? After reading your posts, all I can picture is the Most Interesting Man in the World for Dos Equis beer.[/QUOTE]I stayed in Manga Dua area and you will get bored very quickly. The area is kind of a dump and not that many good places to eat. Street food won't get you sick but most isn't very good.

KI is fun, but also gets pretty boring after awhile. Maloio is good and I didn't find the girls to be all that pushy for drinks. But maybe I was just lucky. Kelapa Gading is worth a trip if you are in town for awhile.

The best girls this trip I picked up at CJs and BATS. I was lucky enough to find a couple of real gems there whom I repeated with and enjoyed real GFE experiences. One in particular is a real keeper and will try to take her to Bali for a few day next time I am in town. But most girls there are past their sell by date and you have to look pretty hard to find a good one. Though this may change now as the holidays are over and more girls are back on the prowl at these places.

If you have time try to work the SM. Badoo, Tinder and Tatntan work great. But it takes some time and patience and a lot of chit chat. I had several girls lined up for dates but ended up just seeing my regulars as I didn't; really have time to work the dating game. Btu I will put more energy into this option next trip.

Stay horny my friend!

Uncle-V.

I made it to CJs. First experience at one of the upscale FL joints in Jakarta.

Pay 200 k at the door for a beer. That wasn't cover price. That's how much they cost. At least not ++.

Bar was quite nice. Band was enjoyable. Nice break from the screeching dangdut shit you hear around Jakarta.

As for the girls (or should I say old ladies).

It really was a horrific scene.

They doll themselves up nicely, having pleasing personalities but most were 30+. I suspect quite a few single mothers looking at the bellies on them.

There were a couple of hotter younger chicks (maybe 25), but I could only imagine the asking price. It's not that they were any hotter than what you can find at Classic (for a fraction of the price), but they just dress nicer, get their hair professionally styled.

It's for guys who want to feel like they're in a bar actually seducing a woman. Asking price seemed to be 1,000,000 until breakfast.

Too many better value options in Jakarta to waste time on 200 k drinks to talk to women in their 30's. It felt like a total tourist trap.

If this was Angeles City, these women weren't dolled up, they would barely get 500 pesos.

I began the night at emporium hotel spa level. I chose my VIP lady pretty quick because she stood out as number 1 to me. She was a collosseum dancer and only worked at emporium for 2 days. Damage was 1. 3 million. That may of included a Heineken I can't remember for sure. In the room, she was really helpful and had a warm attitude. Forgive me I don't have her number. I believe she said her name was Christine. She began with licking me all over. She went to put condom on for BJ and I objected but it didn't work. I even offered big tip. No difference. The aerobics following made up for it. Finished and I still gave tip. This is where she told me she worked at collosseum.

I went hotel to recuperate and freshen up for collosseum. Collosseum had dancers but the chandelier and lights weren't really going. Was interested in couple of the dancers but don't think you can take them out. Am I wrong?

I left there and decided to try starmoon. Upon entering I didn't have a good feeling about the situation. Smooth comments about it being gang controlled should have kept me away but it was heavy in my mind. Pick lady and get upstairs and I tried to do the deed but my bigger head won the battle. The bed had about 5 stains on it and place was very dirty. I took off condom and got the FK out of there. I won't be going back to that area. Really the talent was lacking anyway. Only one which I picked was doable for me. I like the young spinners. Wasn't too many in the bowl.

Tonight I'm going to check out classic and may end up back at emporium for level 5. I tried to check out level 5 today but it don't open until 9 pm.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2270982]I tend to agree that Malio might not be optimal for first timers, but I love it. HA HA. Somewhere in a previous post I said Malioboro was "calmer". You should have retreated upstairs and over to Malioboro if things were getting out of hand in Malio. My success in Malio Club is based on being firm with the dancers. #1 I only buy drinks for the dancers I am interested in. When other girls come over, I just say NO, I am looking for another girl in a friendly but firm way. They figure it out and will eventually leave me alone. Even when I am surrounded by 4 or 5 dancers of which only 1 in the group I might be interested in, I just say to the others, not now girls. I want to talk with this one and they move on, reluctantly sometimes LOL, but they move on. #2, when I am with a dancer I desire assuming, I have not been with her before, I agree to 2 lady drinks (60,000 each) as a matter of course because it is required if you want to continue with the girl. This starts the process. The girl will then get very friendly, you know what I mean, and usually she will make her pitch before she downs the 2nd lady drink. The pitch might be upstairs mezzanine for a BJ or just more privacy for drinking and groping, or a private room for boom boom. If she does not make an offer before or immediately after the 2nd lady drink, you will be hit up for 5 more lady drinks. Count on it. I sometimes agree to this 2nd request if I am in the right mood and having a good time with the girl. No doubt /100% guaranteed she will make an offer after the 2nd drink (the 4th in total) of the 5. Offers vary. Like I said sometimes its 1 mil for a BJ on mezzanine or in private room. Sometimes the offer is for full servie. If a BJ is the offer, then that is my cue to counter with No, I want full service. To which the dancer will either ask for 2 mil or 3 mil depending on I don't know what for full service. A little confused? Ha ha. Don't be. That's Malio Club. You just have to roll with it and yet be firm at the same time. You CAN get what you want and keep the drink total under control. I have never been not satisfied there.

Alternatively, you could always just pick a couch girl if one strikes your fancy. No drinks necessary or even requested. The price is always 900,000 or 1.1 mil depending on the girl for full service upstairs in a private room. Easy! Good! Just tell a handy, friendly mamasan that you want to see her girls.

And as I said earlier, Malioboro is similar, but calmer so probably it's more manageable for first time visits. Malioboro has dancers as well, but for some reason these dancers are not quite as forward with the drink requests plus there are not as many. Their price is 1. 7 mil. Boom. Simple. And in Malioborro there are a lot more couch girls both Indo local girls (900,000 & 1. 1 mil) and the imports comprised mainly of Viets, Kazaks, Chinese, and a few fugly white Russian Federation girls (1. 7 mil to 2 mil). I like both places and frequently go back and forth inside the building until I find what I am looking for.

After you left Malio I am surprised you did not check out Bats since you are staying at the Shangri La and it was getting late. When I stayed at the Shang, I always dropped by Bats after whatever I did in the North. Sometimes I found a good girl in Bats and made it a 2 Fer. So convenient!

Anyway, I am looking forward to more of your trip reports. Glad to hear things are looking up. Keep on rocking![/QUOTE]So malioboro is the spa up front correct? I may check it out tonight. I thought about stopping by bats last night after starmoon but honestly that place combined with smoothy comments had my brain messed up.

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;2270995]Arriving late and staying at the Shangrila. And you didn't check BATS at 1 am before venturing elsewhere?

Sunday at BATS isn't fantastic but it has resulted in a number of accompanied exits of good quality over time. Certainly much better than achieved at Blok M on a Sunday anytime this decade.

Any reading below would have highlighted BATS, and CJs as the alternate for searches in bars at night on off peak days.

Though these days I usually start swiping hard right on Tinder the moment wheels hit the runway at CGK, can also produce results (though maybe a touch delayed depending on luck, and your profile)[/QUOTE]Yeah thinking back on it that would of been a better option. My pre-trip research didn't hold it in high regard. I'm a young guy so just interested in younger spinners. I was much more excited about emporium and malio. Maybe wrongly so. I attempted to research 5 different areas compared to my trip to Thailand I had 6 months on just Thailand. I may of not researched good enough. Cj's was my FL go to. I hope to check that out soon also. The one sexy lady at my bar did say she just came from bats so I probably missed out.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2271271]
Tonight I'm going to check out classic and may end up back at emporium for level 5. I tried to check out level 5 today but it don't open until 9 pm.[/QUOTE]Just a heads up that more likely than not, you will not get anything from Emporium Level 5, unless you want to the dancers at the inflated rate of 3. 6 mil per hour. I was just there two nights ago.

I was recommended by the PR there to check out Crown if you are into freelancers, as she mentioned a lot of them venture there. I have not been there personally but may check it out sometime next week. Anyway, Tuesday is definitely a slow night everywhere, and I am just trying to decide where to spend the better part of my time later tonight.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2271278]I'm a young guy so just interested in younger spinners.[/QUOTE]That reminds me of a funny story. My buddy's young 18 year old nephew came to Jakarta a while ago. I was dating a fairly popular model at the time, so she had a lot of connections to other models. I figured my buddy's nephew would want girls around his age, so I asked my girlfriend if she could introduce him to one of her model friends. She hooked him up with a stunning 17 year old. We all went out and he ended up taking her to a hotel. This girl was not a hooker and had only had sex a few times in her life, and of course never with a white guy. My buddy's nephew was a virgin when he arrived in Jakarta, so he knew nothing about sex. The next morning when I asked him how it was, he said not too good because neither of them knew what they were doing and that he didn't want to see her again. I was shocked. Hell, I had thought any 18 year old guy would have loved to be with that girl!

The next night, we went to blok m and he hooked up with a 36 year old wild bar girl (very mediocre looking) who had been fucked by half of the guys in Jakarta over the last 20 or so years and had three kids. The kid loved that girl and raved about his experience with her.

I had thought my girlfriend did him a great favor hooking him up with a highly desirable hot young model, but it turns out he preferred the old chick he had to pay over the young chick for free.


If you are young and good looking, there is no need to go to brothels in Jakarta unless you are like my buddy's nephew and trying to learn sex from a pro. You can walk around any shopping mall and girls will be very easy to pick up. There are plenty of bars with younger guys and girls where you can pick girls up for free if you have even a little game (provided you are young and good looking). It's the older,uglier, and married guys who need to go to brothels. That is not a worthwhile scene in Jakarta for young attractive guys in my opinion. Thailand isn't so easy, but a young, good looking white guy in Jakarta is treated like a rock star.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2271296]My buddy's nephew was a virgin when he arrived in Jakarta, so he knew nothing about sex. The next morning when I asked him how it was, he said not too good because neither of them knew what they were doing and that he didn't want to see her again. I was shocked. Hell, I had thought any 18 year old guy would have loved to be with that girl!

The next night, we went to blok m and he hooked up with a 36 year old wild bar girl (very mediocre looking) who had been fucked by half of the guys in Jakarta over the last 20 or so years and had three kids. The kid loved that girl and raved about his experience with her.[/QUOTE]I'm surprised you didn't let slip in the bar. The kid would have been mobbed and thrown to the floor there and then.

[QUOTE=Goferring;1985559]This reminds me of a story where we had a young guy arrive - 20 something, tall, blond, surfer dude. We took him out and needless to say the girls were very very receptive. When the old hands spread the story that he was a virgin as his fianc had died of cancer before the wedding they were positively frothing at the mouth. The guy never know what was happening nor what hit him as the entire bar wanted to take him out back and solve his perceived problem. For some reason he was "sick" and never made it to work the next day. Lucky bastard.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2271281]Just a heads up that more likely than not, you will not get anything from Emporium Level 5, unless you want to the dancers at the inflated rate of 3. 6 mil per hour. I was just there two nights ago.

I was recommended by the PR there to check out Crown if you are into freelancers, as she mentioned a lot of them venture there. I have not been there personally but may check it out sometime next week. Anyway, Tuesday is definitely a slow night everywhere, and I am just trying to decide where to spend the better part of my time later tonight.[/QUOTE]The dancers are the imports correct? I was interested in the inflated price. I've had 2 weeks worth of Thailand and Indonesian pussy. Never had a Russian or girl from that area. Never had Chinese either. I read somewhere hotel travel has Chinese imports. On my way there now to check it out.

[QUOTE=UsPete;2271084] If you pronounced toge incorrectly and it sounded to the mamasan like towgay then you probably requested a girl that looks like a Gecko!(towkay).[/QUOTE]Or a beansprout LOL!

Hotel Travel. Damage 395 k. Well the communication skills of mamasans and myself didn't allow me to confirm Chinese imports. I believe the girl I took die say imports were available but don't take that as confirmation but her English was the best out of everyone I talked to. I didn't see any Chinese looking ladies so seems doubtful. The place had many many ladies. 70% of the ladies seemed early 20's. Mostly spinners with a few big ones mix in. Like I said English skills very minimal. Makes me like emporium that much more even though I'd say selection at travel seemed better. With that being said it's very dark at hotel travel. The sexy girl I picked had some teeth issues that would of had me pick a different choice. Pick carefully fellow newbies.

In the room, what is it with Jakarta and CBJ? Making me feel like I need some pills. Kissing on my legs and licking my nipples does nothing for me. Am I alone in this? Or are most of you popping pills anyway? 555. CBJ did the job barely. She attempted her magic on top and it wasn't magic at all. Flipped her over and began pounding away. Then I began to smell the stink. OMG. Not as bad as the sewer hallway but I guess will Philippines next on the agenda I better get used to it huh? Overall, I nice value experience. I would return but I'd push back on mamasan bringing lady over. I would walk around and pick. Ladies on the couches, which is where mine came from, seemed to be much better looking. Very clean rooms despite the smells.

If I can convince myself that the CBJ's isn't the issue vs my overused manhood I will report back for a part 2. Thinking about them emporium imports or maybe a stroll down to bats is in order. Just in case it's not the CBJ's I may be safe to chance a bats lady vs inflated import. Happy mongering fellas.

So do bats and cj's girls do the CBJ's too? I would think it's just house rules at brothels. Am I correct? I have even offered crazy tips and these girls won't blink an eye.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2271302]The dancers are the imports correct? I was interested in the inflated price. I've had 2 weeks worth of Thailand and Indonesian pussy. Never had a Russian or girl from that area. Never had Chinese either. I read somewhere hotel travel has Chinese imports. On my way there now to check it out.[/QUOTE]Nope, just local dancers and their dancing were pretty lame too in my view.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2271345]So do bats and cj's girls do the CBJ's too? I would think it's just house rules at brothels. Am I correct? I have even offered crazy tips and these girls won't blink an eye.[/QUOTE]Think again. I've been offered bareback full service with CIP in a lot of very famous Indonesian places like Malioboro. I've never been blown with a condom in those places or with any online meet. Only place I saw them try to blow with a condom was 5th floor of Classic Hotel.

To be fair, I've never tried the overpriced freelancers in the hotel bars. Maybe they're different.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2271302]The dancers are the imports correct? I was interested in the inflated price. I've had 2 weeks worth of Thailand and Indonesian pussy. Never had a Russian or girl from that area. Never had Chinese either. I read somewhere hotel travel has Chinese imports. On my way there now to check it out.[/QUOTE]I did a Russian at Alexis. It was pretty good and not overly expensive. My memory could be slipping though. It was 5 years ago. No idea what's going on there now after they tried to close the place or whatevr.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2271345]So do bats and cj's girls do the CBJ's too? I would think it's just house rules at brothels. Am I correct? I have even offered crazy tips and these girls won't blink an eye.[/QUOTE]It will all depend on your personal hygiene. Pay attention the next time you are with the girls here. They would always want you to shower first before the deed and they will in fact shower you. They will wash your junk and conduct preliminary inspection along the way. If they find you are not clean, more likely they would reject any request for BBBJ.

It is probably the house rules in these spa joints. However, if the girl is comfortable with you and you are hygienic, BBBJ request is never an issue, at least for me. Girls at CJ and Bats are freelancers, but the same approach typically applies. It never hurt to keep yourself groomed and clean down there.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2271357]Only place I saw them try to blow with a condom was 5th floor of Classic Hotel. [/QUOTE]These girls will do 10 people per day on average. Now imagine that. Even if she offers to do BBJ, I will be the one to refuse.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2271345]So do bats and cj's girls do the CBJ's too? I would think it's just house rules at brothels. Am I correct? I have even offered crazy tips and these girls won't blink an eye.[/QUOTE]In my experience, free lancers never request a condom for the BJ. But I agree with Ggekko that the girls want you to be clean. I always shower prior to the deed and I also always have the girl shower.

I'm very clean and shower every time before I go out. I shower before the deed and after. Haven't made it to malioboro yet. I think that will have to be on the agenda for tomorrow. Anyone know what time they open? I don't see it listed on google maps. Unless I'm confused, which is possible, it's in front of malio club. On Google maps its listed as the hotel but no hours.

Think I'm going to wonder down to bats now and check out the scene. I was downstairs grabbing food from grab guy and seen a few lookers stroll in.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2271405]I'm very clean and shower every time before I go out. I shower before the deed and after. Haven't made it to malioboro yet. I think that will have to be on the agenda for tomorrow. Anyone know what time they open? I don't see it listed on google maps. Unless I'm confused, which is possible, it's in front of malio club. On Google maps its listed as the hotel but no hours.

Think I'm going to wonder down to bats now and check out the scene. I was downstairs grabbing food from grab guy and seen a few lookers stroll in.[/QUOTE]Malio and Malioboro are basically one and the same since they are in the same building. Malio is in the back part, Malioboro is in the front part.

If I was staying at Hotel Shangri-La, I wouldn't even leave the building. I prefer BATS girls over the brothel girls.

As far as the covered BJ thing, another issue I believe is that some girls don't like it if a guy is not circumsized. The main issue though is that some of the mamasans in those places are forcing them to use them. We used to talk to the mamasan prior to taking a girl.

On Imports: The current best bet for imports IMHO is Malioboro, lower mezzanine where there are tables with Chinese, Viet, Kazak, Russian Federation girls. On my still recent visit I had the pleasure of an Asian ethnic Kazak girl. 1st Kazak girl ever. Good girl. The 2nd best place is 1001 Hotel (Spa). More expensive, but plenty of Viet, Chinese, Russian Federation, and Kazak girls. In the past Alexis had a great selection of Viets. But alas Alexis is history. But if you really want white girls your best destination is Germany FKK's, then Sao Paulo, Brazil.

On BBBJ & BBFS YMMV, but here are my stats from my last Jakarta visit:

CBJ's: 12% or 2 girls total out of 16. Both girls working in 1001 Hotel Spa. I stopped going there after the 2nd one even though 2 other 1001 spa girls gave me BBBJ's no problem. Thus my percentage of CBJ's in 1001 Pool was 50%. Elsewhere 0. 0%. So Smoothy is absolutely right.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2271406]As far as the covered BJ thing, <snip> The main issue though is that some of the mamasans in those places are forcing them to use them. We used to talk to the mamasan prior to taking a girl.[/QUOTE]And when I complained to the management after my 2nd CBJ in a row at 1001 Hotel Pool, the mamasan & then the manager both insisted that that is exactly what their girls are instructed to do. I could not believe what they were saying, but it's true and I never went back to that bordello.

Note: no Malio / Malioboro girl ever gave me a CBJ or even tried. No Bats or CJ's FL ever tried to give me a CBJ either.

On BBFS 31% or 5 out of my 16 different girls that I shagged in Jakarta last visit.

Now while I consider BBBJ's the default and I will not tip or repeat with any girl that does not perform this basic function, it is an entirely different story with intercourse. Here the default is CFS (covered sex) and I do not complain or not tip a girl when a she requests a condom before intercourse. On the other hand, I occasionally get a hot one / a naughty one and as long as I am willing too, we will bareback. For me BBFS is always kind of unexpected and almost always appreciated. HA HA. As I posted above, my Jakarta stats are 31%. My BKK stats are 20%. I fondly remember my 1st trip to the PI back in 2011. I visited AC, Manila, and Cebu City. My stats on that 1st trip where an astounding, 100%. I barebacked every Filipina I was with. Ha Ha. I have since cut that stat back quite a lot on purpose, but it was quite an auspicious 1st trip.

Wow, what a night, I have mongered all over the world but man, this place here in Jakarta can be what I call the sharkiest place in the world. And this place is called the Golden Crown. I am not sure if I am in the right state of mind to write out the narratives of what I had experienced, but I was lucky enough to have a local patron navigate me through this labyrinth of shark infested freelancers.

I would try to narrate my experience later as I am still way too drunk to explain what had happened. Based on my estimate, it was a good USD400 lessons learned. No wonder I do not see any foreigners at the golden crown, LOL. One thing I can say, this lounge was the only place which was packed with people of a Tuesday night. My recommendation, stay as far was from Golden Crown as possible and stick to CJ and BATS for the freelancers, hehe. You have been warned.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2271300]I'm surprised you didn't let slip in the bar. The kid would have been mobbed and thrown to the floor there and then.[/QUOTE]So true. Back in the old days of Tanamur, it was a popular game for the girls to try to find white expat boys around 14 or 15 years old who were virgins. The girls would brag about how many virgins they did. Not many guys that age were at Tanamur, so the girls would go to the McDonalds in Sarinah and pick them up there then return to Tanamur after having sex with them. LOL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2271522]So true. Back in the old days of Tanamur, it was a popular game for the girls to try to find white expat boys around 14 or 15 years old who were virgins. The girls would brag about how many virgins they did. Not many guys that age were at Tanamur, so the girls would go to the McDonalds in Sarinah and pick them up there then return to Tanamur after having sex with them. LOL.[/QUOTE]Talk about role reversal.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2271520]Wow, what a night, I have mongered all over the world but man, this place here in Jakarta can be what I call the sharkiest place in the world. And this place is called the Golden Crown. I am not sure if I am in the right state of mind to write out the narratives of what I had experienced, but I was lucky enough to have a local patron navigate me through this labyrinth of shark infested freelancers.

I would try to narrate my experience later as I am still way too drunk to explain what had happened. Based on my estimate, it was a good USD400 lessons learned. No wonder I do not see any foreigners at the golden crown, LOL. One thing I can say, this lounge was the only place which was packed with people of a Tuesday night. My recommendation, stay as far was from Golden Crown as possible and stick to CJ and BATS for the freelancers, hehe.[/QUOTE]I recommended Golden Crown to someone here not long ago and he was saying it was closed down. Sounds like it is still open. I haven't been there in a while, but it is a place where you can pick up young free lancers. I am curious how you could spend 400 usd there though unless you got one of the big private rooms. That should be an interesting report!

I think the reason you don't see many foreigners there is the girls who go there won't go home with you until 5 or 6am because they are there to get high and don't want to go home until their high wears off, and most foreigners in town have to work the next morning. I don't have the patience to wait them out even if I didn't work the next morning. Very few of the girls there speak English but there are tons of young free lance girls there for the guys who complain about free lancers being old at the places where they do speak English.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2271525]I recommended Golden Crown to someone here not long ago and he was saying it was closed down. Sounds like it is still open. I haven't been there in a while, but it is a place where you can pick up young free lancers. I am curious how you could spend 400 usd there though unless you got one of the big private rooms.[/QUOTE]Nope, no rooms, I wondered into the lounge at 1 am and the place was packed. Let's just say it has to do with these Freelancers jujitsu techniques that pressure you to pay for their stimulants and drinks and taxi fees, anyway, I still had a fun time plus I don't need the stimulant myself, liquor shots would do nicely for me, but man, I would not know if I want to venture into the area myself anymore without a wingman.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2271522]So true. Back in the old days of Tanamur, it was a popular game for the girls to try to find white expat boys around 14 or 15 years old who were virgins. The girls would brag about how many virgins they did. Not many guys that age were at Tanamur, so the girls would go to the McDonalds in Sarinah and pick them up there then return to Tanamur after having sex with them. LOL.[/QUOTE]Many regions have a wives tale about deflowering a virgin boy being a powerful jamu for clear skin. Can't remember the exact areas but many girls have repeated the same story to me.

Perhaps that's why several Nannys have been busted providing special tuition to groups of kids at the International Schools. . . 😁.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2271526]Nope, no rooms, I wondered into the lounge at 1 am and the place was packed. Let's just say it has to do with these Freelancers jujitsu techniques that pressure you to pay for their stimulants and drinks and taxi fees, anyway, I still had a fun time plus I don't need the stimulant myself, liquor shots would do nicely for me, but man, I would not know if I want to venture into the area myself anymore without a wingman.[/QUOTE]That makes sense. How much is one of those stimulants these days? I hear they are now quite expensive.

The main thing about that place is you need to watch your wallet. There are lots of pick pockets there, and even though the place is huge, it gets packed. Asshole pick pockets will take advantage of how packed it is and will brush up against you acting like they are dancing. And do not trust anyone to buy you a drink. Buy your own bottle of water and open it yourself. It's a common scam there for guys (mainly Arabs and Malaysians) to act friendly then slip a roofy into your drink, take you to a private room and rob you. I haven't heard of locals doing that, but I wouldn't put it past them.

I agree, you likely need a wingman if you go there. I've gone alone in the past, but I speak Indonesian and I do not do drugs so I am always clear minded. The last few times I went there have been when a guy needed an Indonesian speaking wingman so I helped out. I have a buddy I took there who still says the girl he met there the night we went was the best sex he ever had. He did not pay her for sex that night, but he didn't get off without spending money.

It's a place where you can meet young University students out partying for the night and those girls will go home with you. But you have to be willing to stay there until the late late hours.

Sounds to me like you had a good time!

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2271520]Wow, what a night, I have mongered all over the world but man, this place here in Jakarta can be what I call the sharkiest place in the world. And this place is called the Golden Crown. I am not sure if I am in the right state of mind to write out the narratives of what I had experienced, but I was lucky enough to have a local patron navigate me through this labyrinth of shark infested freelancers.

I would try to narrate my experience later as I am still way too drunk to explain what had happened. Based on my estimate, it was a good USD400 lessons learned. No wonder I do not see any foreigners at the golden crown, LOL. One thing I can say, this lounge was the only place which was packed with people of a Tuesday night. My recommendation, stay as far was from Golden Crown as possible and stick to CJ and BATS for the freelancers, hehe. You have been warned.[/QUOTE]I am glad you survived! I was thinkingbof going there on Saturday but I would have been solo so probably a good idea not to.

I can't wait to hear the details. I hope for 400 bucks youbat least got laid.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2271406]Malio and Malioboro are basically one and the same since they are in the same building. Malio is in the back part, Malioboro is in the front part.

If I was staying at Hotel Shangri-La, I wouldn't even leave the building. I prefer BATS girls over the brothel girls.

As far as the covered BJ thing, another issue I believe is that some girls don't like it if a guy is not circumsized. The main issue though is that some of the mamasans in those places are forcing them to use them. We used to talk to the mamasan prior to taking a girl.[/QUOTE]I didn't make it to BATS, but did to CJs and felt it was an overrated, overpriced tourist trap but did enjoy the band (see report I wrote yesterday).

Is BATS similar with 200 k beers and women in their 30's wanting 1 million plus?

The women in CJs did present themselves well, speak English, appeal to your ego by making you feel as though you've seduced them, but they had average bodies. Don't be fooled by the make up. These are old ladies.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2271520]Wow, what a night, I have mongered all over the world but man, this place here in Jakarta can be what I call the sharkiest place in the world. And this place is called the Golden Crown. I am not sure if I am in the right state of mind to write out the narratives of what I had experienced, but I was lucky enough to have a local patron navigate me through this labyrinth of shark infested freelancers.

I would try to narrate my experience later as I am still way too drunk to explain what had happened. Based on my estimate, it was a good USD400 lessons learned. No wonder I do not see any foreigners at the golden crown, LOL. One thing I can say, this lounge was the only place which was packed with people of a Tuesday night. My recommendation, stay as far was from Golden Crown as possible and stick to CJ and BATS for the freelancers, hehe. You have been warned.[/QUOTE]I've mongered all over Asia and feel like I can't let my guard down in Jakarta.

I went to Puja Sera recently for the first time. Got to the slimy looking security to the right to ask about the price (I think it was 40 k entrance), heard the music, took a look at the clientele entering the venue, and figured this place wasn't for me. I couldn't imagine a sweet FL being found in there.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2271541]I am glad you survived! I was thinking of going there on Saturday but I would have been solo so probably a good idea not to.[/QUOTE]You would be fine as long as you don't take the same stimulants you are buying for the girls you want to take home. I wouldn't go there before 1 am. I normally arrive at around 2 am if I go there. You could even arrive at 3 am and be amazed at how many hot girls are just then arriving. Girls who get off work from the various brothels and night clubs go there after work to party. They used to have nude dancers in the bar area to the far left of the place, but I am pretty sure that doesn't go on anymore. Just as well because it would get so packed with locals looking to see naked girls on the cheap that you couldn't even move in that area even though it's a large bar bigger than either CJs or BATS. But the main action is in the even bigger disco area that is similar to Stadium. Golden Crown is huge.

I am also looking forward to his report. A first visit there is always interesting.

Go there with the mindset that you will not get home until 6am though. Otherwise you will likely be disappointed.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2271536]That makes sense. How much is one of those stimulants these days? I hear they are now quite expensive.

The main thing about that place is you need to watch your wallet. There are lots of pick pockets there, and even though the place is huge, it gets packed. Asshole pick pockets will take advantage of how packed it is and will brush up against you acting like they are dancing. And do not trust anyone to buy you a drink. Buy your own bottle of water and open it yourself. It's a common scam there for guys (mainly Arabs and Malaysians) to act friendly then slip a roofy into your drink, take you to a private room and rob you. I haven't heard of locals doing that, but I wouldn't put it past them.

I agree, you likely need a wingman if you go there. I've gone alone in the past, but I speak Indonesian and I do not do drugs so I am always clear minded. The last few times I went there have been when a guy needed an Indonesian speaking wingman so I helped out. I have a buddy I took there who still says the girl he met there the night we went was the best sex he ever had. He did not pay her for sex that night, but he didn't get off without spending money.

It's a place where you can meet young University students out partying for the night and those girls will go home with you. But you have to be willing to stay there until the late late hours.

Sounds to me like you had a good time![/QUOTE]600 K + 50 K procurement fee aka tips for the waiter and this fee is pretty consistent.

So here's the deal with these FL. Looks like not all are available for takeout. I asked the first girl the price for such service and she said she can only accompany me. That was actually fine by me since I did not have the option to order take out that night anyway. You are also right that some of these girls are still college students as in the case of the second group of girls. Many are there to get high and whenever possible make some cash along the way.

This club is definitely on a different level playing field, given that where almost half the girls that I saw were either high or hunting for someone to get them there. This is their MO. They will flirt with you and get you to join them. Then they would ask for drinks and later as everyone gets into their groove, they would ask for these stimulants and finally prior to you leaving, will track you down if you wander away for some taxi money.

Regardless, you have to foot the bill one way or another even in your case of your friend when he received "free" sex. For me, if I want these services, I would rather pay for them. That way, there is no misunderstanding about my expectation and the level of service that comes with them.

I did have a good time.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2271617]
So here's the deal with these FL. Looks like not all are available for takeout. I asked the first girl the price for such service and she said she can only accompany me. That was actually fine by me since I did not have the option to order take out that night anyway. You are also right that some of these girls are still college students as in the case of the second group of girls. Many are there to get high and whenever possible make some cash along the way.[/QUOTE]I hope you got their whatsapp numbers. Even on the occasions where they will not go home with you that night, they are almost always up for meeting you some other time. It's not uncommon to meet a college girl there who will meet you the next day or so and have sex for "taxi money", then she shares your number with her other college friends who are looking for a little extra money while they go to school. You can end up with a chain of girls coming over from that University.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2271525]I recommended Golden Crown --- I think the reason you don't see many foreigners there is the girls who go there won't go home with you until 5 or 6am [/QUOTE]Hi Smoothy,

So if the Golden Crown is not the place what would you recommend, maybe to take home or to have a good night out? Preferably massage and maybe FS.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2271617]600 K + 50 K procurement fee aka tips for the waiter and this fee is pretty consistent.

So here's the deal with these FL. Looks like not all are available for takeout. I asked the first girl the price for such service and she said she can only accompany me. That was actually fine by me since I did not have the option to order take out that night anyway. You are also right that some of these girls are still college students as in the case of the second group of girls. Many are there to get high and whenever possible make some cash along the way.

This club is definitely on a different level playing field, given that where almost half the girls that I saw were either high or hunting for someone to get them there. This is their MO. They will flirt with you and get you to join them. Then they would ask for drinks and later as everyone gets into their groove, they would ask for these stimulants and finally prior to you leaving, will track you down if you wander away for some taxi money.

Regardless, you have to foot the bill one way or another even in your case of your friend when he received "free" sex. For me, if I want these services, I would rather pay for them. That way, there is no misunderstanding about my expectation and the level of service that comes with them.

I did have a good time.[/QUOTE]I may go check this place out later tonight. I don't speak a lick of Indonesian though. Do you? Many girls speak English? Sounds like a good way to blow my wad before leaving for Philippines tomorrow. I've been know to talk to molly in my college days.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2271627]I hope you got their whatsapp numbers. Even on the occasions where they will not go home with you that night, they are almost always up for meeting you some other time. It's not uncommon to meet a college girl there who will meet you the next day or so and have sex for "taxi money", then she shares your number with her other college friends who are looking for a little extra money while they go to school. You can end up with a chain of girls coming over from that University.[/QUOTE]I do have their Whatsapp info and vice versa for them. At least now I have a backup contact of FL at my disposal I guess LOL. Anyway, I don't think the long play approach will work for me, since I don't come to Jakarta that often.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2271653]I may go check this place out later tonight. I don't speak a lick of Indonesian though. Do you? Many girls speak English? Sounds like a good way to blow my wad before leaving for Philippines tomorrow. I've been know to talk to molly in my college days.[/QUOTE]I speak conversational Bahasa and unfortunately most girls there don't speak English. I asked the girl there if they go to CJ too, and they say they don't. First it is too far for them as most of them live in West Jakarta and second they are afraid. Not sure why. Just be careful when you are there and be cognizant of your surrounding.

I am heading to CJ later tonight since it is ladies night and I want to see how good the line up will be.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2270694]Hi Natty Bumpo,

In any case, you should have gone to Emporium Spa on the 2nd floor. It is one of my favorite places in town. [/QUOTE]Any other recommendations, or is Emporium Spa the best in town? Are the different floors different establishments or is it all one "hotel"?

If you get a girl in the spa, what would be the cost for FS?

Sorry for all the questions, but have only one night in town, so would like to make the most out of it.

So I exchanged a bit too much into IDR. Looks like I will have 6 or 7 million leftover even if I party good tonight. Would I be better off exchanging at airport, in Philippines or just save it to exchange for baht in Thailand. Seems I'm going to be running short on time to do it at airport unless I wake up earlier. If all is the same I will just wait until I get to Philippines or Thailand. Suggestions?

Man oh man. I found my place. Definitely not for the penny pinchers but man oh man. I may just make a return trip for malioboro after Philippines. I mean wow!

My pick was a Kyrgyzstan girl. 1 hour I believe was 2 mil. I ended up going for the 2nd hour. BBBJ. Fn yeah! Sexy as fn hell. OMG! I know I'm breaking the rules here. But whe was a fn 10. I can't say she had a flaw. Maybe using my face as her personal cum machine. Yeah I tried not to think about the number of guys she had been with that day or that she didn't even shower. Disgusting right? She was so fn hot I didn't even care. Well at the time. Now it's questionable. 555. Went through one 1 hour session and the phone call came quick. I said screw that and booked round 2. Best experience of my mongeringhood. New word? Natty, you're the freaking man! I hope one day I can buy you a drink. Total damage was 5,100 000 including drinks. She was hesitant on the no condom. And yes I'm circumcised. I gave her incentive from the beginning and followed through with my 1 million tip. Can't say much else.

On my way back to hotel to freshen up. I have 2 girls waiting on what's app. One is a girl next door that wants a movie from badoo and the other is a girl I met at block m on 1st night. Which one to choose? Liking Jakarta more and more.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2271744]Man oh man.... Total damage was 5,100 000 including drinks. She was hesitant on the no condom. And yes I'm circumcised. I gave her incentive from the beginning and followed through with my 1 million tip. Can't say much else.
Liking Jakarta more and more.[/QUOTE]Sounds like that solved your IDR problem =).

[QUOTE=TripleX;2271777]Sounds like that solved your IDR problem =).[/QUOTE]Now that's funny.

I'm hoping to see some photos posted of that Kyrgyzstan chick. A 10? I got to see that. I may have to run up to Malioboro in a few minutes just to check that out.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2271744]Man oh man. I found my place. Definitely not for the penny pinchers but man oh man. I may just make a return trip for malioboro after Philippines. I mean wow!

My pick was a Kyrgyzstan girl. 1 hour I believe was 2 mil. I ended up going for the 2nd hour. BBBJ. Fn yeah! Sexy as fn hell. OMG! I know I'm breaking the rules here. But whe was a fn 10. I can't say she had a flaw. Maybe using my face as her personal cum machine. Yeah I tried not to think about the number of guys she had been with that day or that she didn't even shower. Disgusting right? She was so fn hot I didn't even care. Well at the time. Now it's questionable. 555. Went through one 1 hour session and the phone call came quick. I said screw that and booked round 2. Best experience of my mongeringhood. New word? Natty, you're the freaking man! I hope one day I can buy you a drink. Total damage was 5,100 000 including drinks. She was hesitant on the no condom. And yes I'm circumcised. I gave her incentive from the beginning and followed through with my 1 million tip. Can't say much else.

On my way back to hotel to freshen up. I have 2 girls waiting on what's app. One is a girl next door that wants a movie from badoo and the other is a girl I met at block m on 1st night. Which one to choose? Liking Jakarta more and more.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you had a great night in Malioboro. But don't fret about "using your face as her personal cum machine. " LOL. I do it all the time. I love to make girls wet and open their pussies like beautiful blooming flowers. One of my favorite positions of all time is on my back with one girl either blowing me or riding my dick while another girl is sitting on my face. Just choose wisely and don't do it with just any girl. I always take into account a girl's personal hygiene, her breath, her skin texture, and her body smell. She should look, smell and taste really good! Ha Ha.

So, your girl MUST have been hot! I reserve back to back sessions for only special girls that I really like and who really turned me on. I think I had only one back to back session (double session) in Malioboro. That was back in 2016. She was so sexy! And nice. After that first double session, I came back and repeated with her 3 more (single session) times that trip. And I remember another truly memorable double session I had with a Chinese girl in Rio Sauna in Macau. She was equally amazing. And a girl in La Belle in BKK. Yada yada yada.

I am also glad to see that the Jakarta BM's are only gently ribbing you on the money aspect. AS George Best once said, "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. " One of my largest tabs in Malio / Malioboro was the night my buddy from BKK came to town. I started the night with a repeat session with a sweet little Malioboro couch girl (1. 1 mil) that I met a few nights earlier. Then my buddy and I went over to Malio where I dropped a small bundle buying drinks for a dancer with the cutest little ass I have seen in a long time. Unfortunately, little miss cute ass did not want to go upstairs with me that night, but instead asked me to come back and see her on Friday night. I said fine and after a while she left. Then my friend went upstairs with his dancer leaving me all alone, but not for long because soon 5 or 6 girls surrounded me, but I was only interested in the petite one with nice looking small breasts. I bought her a few drinks and she convinced me against my better judgment to take her upstairs to a private room for a 1 mil BJ. Normally I would never go for that and I think I already posted about this encounter. LOL. But what a night! In the room the BJ led to 69 and a sloppy wet face. I loved it! And I think she did too because when I told her I wanted to shag her and I offered her a "big" tip (500,000), she readily agreed. Thus for 1. 5 mil in total she broke all the rules and We did it all. The only bad part of this story apart from the fact that there were no towels in the private BJ room to dry ourselves after we showered, is when I returned to the bar, little miss cute ass was unexpectedly waiting for me and it was pretty obvious that she knew what I had been up to, LOL, so I guess I fucked up with her because I never got to shag her. OH well, there is always the one that got away. Anyway, my bar tab that night came to 3. 5 mil. You win!

P.S. Since you are going to Manila next, check out Bottoms bar around 10 pm and see if any of the girls there strike your fancy. If one or two do, then ask her or them to join you in a high booth to the side of the dance stages. You are in for a wild time. And if you are not too picky about looks, LOL, then head further down Burgos Street to Wow Wow Wow bar. The girls there are sex crazed to say the least. Blok M used to be similar to Burgos. Alas, Blok M is a shadow of its former self. But Burgos still rocks.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2271617]600 K + 50 K procurement fee aka tips for the waiter and this fee is pretty consistent.

So here's the deal with these FL. Looks like not all are available for takeout.....Regardless, you have to foot the bill one way or another even in your case of your friend when he received "free" sex. For me, if I want these services, I would rather pay for them. That way, there is no misunderstanding about my expectation and the level of service that comes with them.

I did have a good time.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about Crown? The thing about Indonesia (and Asia) is there is a big Lady Companion (LC) industry geared specifically towards locals, where guys 'pay' girls just to drink and 'party' with them. Many of them are happy just to drink and party with the girls and don't even take the girls home for sex. The girls that go there are a mix of civilians, semi-pros and hardened pros, looking to supplement their income and party for free on some guys dime. You can't always tell whether the girl is a civilian or will be available for takeout, but the fun is in the hunt!

That said, I've taken home many girls home from Crown, most without paying anything more than a few drinks and other stuff, but some will ask for money (upfront or afterwards) so its up to you whether you want to negotiate that. It really depends on the girl, and other factors like if she's having fun or if she likes you. Definitely a bit more work involved, but can result in better GFE and experience, as its definitely not the mechanical 'point and click' setup of standard brothels. They also have their own LCs which work for the club which are on par with the quality of most Kota KTV girls (and can bee booked out, although it will be costly).

Its a very unique club and probably the only one of its kind in the world (or at least Asia). Very few foreigners come here but I think its worth checking out for younger guys or those into EDM / dance music, as long as you can tolerate fast paced Indonesian Breakbeat / Dugem dance music.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2271613]You would be fine as long as you don't take the same stimulants you are buying for the girls you want to take home. I wouldn't go there before 1 am. I normally arrive at around 2 am if I go there. You could even arrive at 3 am and be amazed at how many hot girls are just then arriving.

Go there with the mindset that you will not get home until 6am though. Otherwise you will likely be disappointed.[/QUOTE]This sounds like the perfect place to go the first night in town. Last April I arrived from the USA at 11 pm; stayed at the Shangri-la and at 3 am when BATS closed, I was wide awake from jet lag (3 pm at home) and looking for someone else to do.

I ended up at Blok M and had fun, but this would have been a nice change of pace as I had been to the Blok many times before. Maybe later this year when I visit again.

P.S. What are the stimulants?

[QUOTE=Marky1;2271599]
I went to Puja Sera recently for the first time. Got to the slimy looking security to the right to ask about the price (I think it was 40 k entrance), heard the music, took a look at the clientele entering the venue, and figured this place wasn't for me. I couldn't imagine a sweet FL being found in there.[/QUOTE]If you thought the music was loud and irritating at places like Malio, you would want to bring ear plugs to that place. It's more down market than Golden Crown. For those who used to love to go to Milles, this place is a similar crowd. And there were plenty of people who loved Milles! I think it's pretty safe in there (same dangers as any of those Mangga besar discos), just not my type of scene due to the cigarette smoke and the fact that I am not into E. But you can definitely pick young girls up there. Make sure you have a flashlight app on your cell phone because it's so damn dark in there. Once you verify with the light from your camera that your girl is good looking, you are set. Haha.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2272046]If you thought the music was loud and irritating at places like Malio, you would want to bring ear plugs to that place. It's more down market than Golden Crown. For those who used to love to go to Milles, this place is a similar crowd. And there were plenty of people who loved Milles! I think it's pretty safe in there (same dangers as any of those Mangga besar discos), just not my type of scene due to the cigarette smoke and the fact that I am not into E. But you can definitely pick young girls up there. Make sure you have a flashlight app on your cell phone because it's so damn dark in there. Once you verify with the light from your camera that your girl is good looking, you are set. Haha.[/QUOTE]I went to Millie's back in 2015 to see what it was about. Stayed for a mug of lukewarm beer (everyone else clearly on pills). It wasn't for people like me. Weren't many freelancers about (weekday morning I don't know if that makes a difference).

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2271845]P.S. Since you are going to Manila next, check out Bottoms bar around 10 pm and see if any of the girls there strike your fancy. If one or two do, then ask her or them to join you in a high booth to the side of the dance stages. You are in for a wild time. And if you are not too picky about looks, LOL, then head further down Burgos Street to Wow Wow Wow bar. The girls there are sex crazed to say the least. Blok M used to be similar to Burgos. Alas, Blok M is a shadow of its former self. But Burgos still rocks.[/QUOTE]Going straight to AC. If I get bored in AC I will spend my last night in Manila. The taxi drive through made me very interested. Place seemed wild.

[QUOTE=JktJon;2271915]
Its a very unique club and probably the only one of its kind in the world (or at least Asia). Very few foreigners come here but I think its worth checking out for younger guys or those into EDM / dance music, as long as you can tolerate fast paced Indonesian Breakbeat / Dugem dance music.[/QUOTE]Did you ever go to Stadium before it was closed down? I consider Stadium and Golden Crown to be very similar. I thought Stadium had a better energy, but Golden Crown is a nicer place. I also liked the fact that there were lots of girls available for short time rooms upstairs in that front bar area of Stadium, and they do not have that at Golden Crown. (Yes, when I talk about it with locals I call it Crown, not Golden Crown.).

You don't need to be young to go there. The girls are still very receptive to guys over 50 years old.

Hoping to share my experience as a newbie to Golden Crown. One thing that I did not get from was sex with any girls there that night. However, I went there on a Tuesday night not expecting it either since I was just looking to pass my time and have fun at the same time.

Given the jet lag, I was in a desperate need of a good full body tissue massage. I remembered enjoying a good strong massage during my last trip at Illegals, and it looked like they have rebranded it to 108. Anyway, when I got there, it was almost 10:30 PM and I only had a 90 minutes session massage as it closed at midnight. Get to spend sometime in Starbucks below the building to google the next place of visit. (Side note: There are two Starbucks along Jl. Hayam Wuruk that are opened 24 hours, and the crazy thing is that you will still find many people there in the wee hours. If only we have something like that back in The States).

Tuesday night is really lousy for any night-life. It was past midnight by then, and Google maps indicated that most of these bars close at 2 AM, which makes going to any of these places pointless. Then I remember Crown which was brought up by one of the Emporium girl, and I was surprised to find Google showing 5 AM as the closing time and off I go. By the way, Google told me me that it was only a 15 minutes walk to Crown but it felt like eternity. The streets here are not really designed for pedestrian. By the way, I never felt unsafe at any point in time as I walked along the main road. The only time my heart pounded briefly was when I saw a flashing police car driving past me. At that time, I was thinking crap, I don't have my passport with me. Maybe a 100 K note with my driving license would suffice. Luckily, they just drove past. Anyway, I should have taken Grab instead in hindsight.

Crown's main entrance is not visible as you approach the area. I had to in fact ask the parking attendant where it was and he pointed me to a lighted entrance door. It felt like they try to hide themselves and not declare their presence loudly with bright neon signs. I took the lift to the top floor along with a couple who was already in there.

I had to pay an entrance fee of 80 K. Also, I noticed there were two ATMs strategically placed next to the entrance. To get to the dance hall, I have to walk past the KTV rooms to get there and along the way say a bunch of LCs and their mamasan waiting in front of a KTV room ready to be selected by the KTV patrons. When I got to the dance hall, to my surprise, I found there were in fact lots of people in there with all the tables already occupied. For folks who had been to Insanity in Bangkok, the hall in Crown is probably two times the size. However, a raised dance platform with some stupid statues in the middle probably took up half of the whole area.

As I stood in the back corner to see what I could do next, a very cute relatively curvy girl eyed me and motioned me over to join her and her friends. Cool, I joined them and as expected after a while asked me if she and her friends can get drinks. I know that is the price and so have no problem with that. After she saw me order a double gin and tonic, she also did a switch-a-roo and asked my permission if she can switch her order to something pricier, some kind of Korean alcohol which tasted like the watered down version of Maotai, and I said yes. As we talked and get comfortable with each other, she would ask if I am interested in getting high. I told her that I don't do drugs, in which she also got the hint that I am not about to sponsor her and her friends. She was also cool with it, but as the music and both our bodies grind onto each other and to the beat of the music, I told her that I can sponsor her but not her friends. I would like to see where it leads. Also I hand the payment to her and not the waiter, and that way as far as I know, I am just helping her with her rent. Things do go a level up with her after that.

Later, I was starting to get bored and wanted to explore the area further. By the way, these are not open tab. You pay for the drinks when they are delivered to you. Which also mean that I can just get up and leave at anytime.

Two college looking girls and her gay friend at one of the table caught my attention. One of the girl looked like she was either drunk or high and danced away with her gay friend, while the other GND looking girl would sit quietly on the table. After some observation, I would ask if they are interested in me buying them a drink, and of course they would not refuse. Anyway as we get along with the drinking and twerking, the wild girl would ask me if I can sponsor her. No problem.

By the way, the earlier girl realized that I have lost interest in her, came to look for me for a tip. As I was about to take out my wallet, she pulled me to a corner. I gave her a 100 K note and she asked for more. As I pulled out the second note, she asked for more again. At that point, I told her to just leave and attempted to put back the second note into my wallet and she grudgingly took it. Not surprisingly, even this group of college girls also ask for taxi money later as I was about to leave at 5 AM.

Anyway, I would think that would be the end of my night. I was intoxicated at that point and a few things came to a blur. To make things short, I ended up with two more girls trying to hit me up for sponsor which I later refused and me ending up in a KTV room with them. Good thing there was a local patron who who helped me through this labyrinth and helped me get the balance back from whatever I have paid in deposit from my credit card. So right now, I ended up with a million rp voucher that I can use for my next visit back to Crown, LOL. I offered this voucher to that guy knowing that I am not coming back and he refused. He told me to be careful about my wallet and all these scams and even told me that those two girls attempted to get him to work with them to extract money from me. 5:30 AM and all these things are still going on. Anyway, that guy helped me out of that joint and even made sure that I get on the bluebird taxi safely. By the way, not a single rupiah paid to those two girls either. By the way, before anyone tried to question the intention of that guy, he mentioned that someone had helped him out from a tough spot in the past during his trip to Vietnam, and so it is good Karma to pay back in deeds.

I visited Jakarta from Dec 30 until Jan 9. I wanted to have access to the type of girls that can be found walking around Grand Indonesia or SCBD. For me, the average coffee shop girl, sales promotion girl, or office worker is worth a tumble. Hoping to meet that type, I used IndonesianCupid and Tinder. I created a one month platinum-membership on IndonesianCupid for $30. Additionally, I bought a gold-membership on Tinder for $30. A week before arriving, I began to send messages to girls in Jakarta who had logged on recently on IndonesianCupid. I began to swipe on Tinder in Jakarta. Within a few days I began to get responses and matches. By the day before my trip, I had enough girls to fill my entire time in Jakarta.

I stayed at Harris Vertu Harmoni for my first night. Using IndonesianCupid, I had arranged for Ami to meet me. We planned to go have dinner. Before she arrived, Ami had asked if she could shower and change at my place. Later, I was to find out that she lived with her sister, and didn't want to dress up to visit me fearing that her sister might question her. Ami had lied and told her sister she was out for a jog. Before setting out to the restaurant, we had a some Jack Daniels that I had brought with me. We began to make out. She let me take her to my bed, undress her, etc. She stayed the whole night. We hadn't known each other for more than an hour before doing the deed. Score 1 for IndonesianCupid. The hard part was to extricate myself without being too harsh. But, as is sometimes my practice, I only booked the Harris Vertu Harmoni for 1 night. I bid her farewell prior to checkout. She tried to get an invitation to spend New Year's Eve with me, but I didn't allow it.

For New Year's Eve, I wanted to have a hotel close to Selamat Datang monument. I chose Pullman. There were a few IG girls that I had my eye on, but they were all busy on New Year's Eve. Apparently, boyfriends and better-known clients held sway.

I met Kris through IndonesianCupid and decided to have her as my date for NYE. She was eager to come meet me; however, she lived in Bandung. I had held her off from coming to Jakarta for my first night, but since my other plans had fallen through, I told her to meet me at Pullman. She mentioned that she didn't want a relationship, and that she was just seeking an arrangement. I offered her 1500000 / day, with no guarantee of more than 1 day. After taking a 6 hour ride from Bandung, she arrived at Pullman just after check-in. The nice thing about working girls is that there's no ceremony about sex. She came up to my hotel room, she showered, we were in bed shortly there after. She was a little too devout for my tastes. For instance, she had never been to a nightclub and she didn't drink alcohol. Instead of taking her to Skye Bar and Dragonfly, I took her to Paulaner Brauhaus. At midnight, we saw fireworks at the monument, and then went back to the hotel room. In the morning, I was surprised to find her up early in the morning performing Salah in a prayer niqab. However, her fidelity to her religion wasn't my main complaint against her. Apparently, I was too well-endowed and vigorous for her, and the sex wasn't enjoyable for her, in fact, it was painful. I asked her to leave after breakfast and one last tumble.

By then, I had arranged for a date from Tinder with Mimi. This one of the following day, and I had switched to Aone Hotel on Wahid Haysim. This was a cost-cutting exercise because of the expense of Pullman. Mimi arrived after work and we went to the restaurant that I wanted to try way back with Ami above: Dapur Babah Elite. Mimi insisted that she wasn't going to come to my room, so we met in the lobby. Dinner was fine. She was a decent conversationalist. The night ended simply with a kiss before she left in a taxi. The next day, we saw a movie at CGV in Grand Indonesia. They have a theater concept dubbed "Velvet". Instead of rows of chairs, the theater is made of beds for couples. It makes for a very intimate date. Of course, after this date, she came up to my room and gave the proper amount of resistance before spreading her legs. The next day, I switched hotels to Harris Vertu Harmoni again. Mimi came again to visit me after work. I thought this girl was charming, and I asked her to come with me to Bali over the weekend. Thai Lion Air has reasonable priced last minute flights, and this is what we did. We were back in Jakarta on Monday. Four Seasons had a great deal on their executive suite, and I booked it for one night. I didn't want to book two nights because I planned on unceremoniously dumping Mimi after she left for work on Tuesday morning, and I didn't want to be found afterwards.

Hotel Indonesia Kempenski had a reasonable rate for my last day in Jakarta. I booked there and waited for a lunch date with Vina. I had chatted with Vina before I arrived, but she never responded to a message that I sent on Dec. 23. I had totally forgotten about her, but she sent me a message on Jan 7, and we arranged a meetup for Jan 8, my last day in Jakarta. We had lunch at Paulaner Brauhaus and made conversation. She came up to my hotel room for a makeout session and she proceeded to dry hump me. I could tell that she was debating whether to fuck me so soon. But we opted for a movie instead, again at CGV. She came back to my hotel room. After some wine, resistance, making out, more resistance, she finally asked if she could take a shower. She asked for one of my shirts to sleep in so that she wouldn't have to sleep naked. She came out of the bathroom wearing nothing but my shirt. Of course, it was a green light. We had met at 3pm and did the deed just before midnight, it was the most continuous time I had to spent with a girl before getting to sex. Originally, I had told her I was returning home in two days. In the morning, I let her know that she had misunderstood me and that I was leaving that day. We spent the morning together and had a tumble and then another. After check out, we had lunch. She insisted that she wanted to go with me to the airport, which was fine. However, she was worried that all that sex may have left her pregnant. We were able to resolve this issue. * This final date ended with a kiss goodbye at the airport.

Overall, I was pleased with IndonesianCupid and Tinder. There was only 1 day that I didn't get laid and that was by choice. Every girl tried to keep in contact with me for days after our meeting. Three of them claimed to have strong feelings for me and wanted to be my girlfriend or wife. The hardest part was choosing which girl to set up a date with and getting rid of them without being brutal. Next time, I will make sure to avoid visiting during a holiday. Many girls have plans or leave town to return to their village.

Hotels that I would recommend: Harris Vertu Harmoni in Gajah Madah. Pullman and Hotel Indonesia at Selamat Datang Circle. Four Seasons in Jaksel.
Good places for dinner date: Seribu Rasa, Paulaner Brahaus, Dapur Babah Elite
Good place for movie date: CGV at Grand Indonesia, especially Velvet theater.

*Unlike the USA, emergency contraceptive is difficult to come by in Jakarta. A woman can't ask for it with scrutiny from authorities. I went to Guardian and Century and was rebuffed. Everytime, I was told I needed a prescription. They were not convinced by the argument that I it would be impossible for me to get a prescription since I couldn't get pregnant. I was able to secure a box of Microgynon from a mom-and-pop pharmacy in Tangerang, while on the way to the airport. Microgynon is a normal one-a-day birth control, but can we used as an emergency contraceptive. The box cost 16000. Those who are curious how this works can use Google.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2271368]These girls will do 10 people per day on average. Now imagine that. Even if she offers to do BBJ, I will be the one to refuse.[/QUOTE]Not so hard to imagine if you travel around Asia regularly. Girls in blow job bars routinely suck 5-10 guys a day for years on end. Bangkok, Pattaya, Saigon, Tokyo, Yokohama. They're sucking multiple cocks every day, bareback with cum in mouth. I got burnt because of it, but what are you going to do? CBJ?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2271406]As far as the covered BJ thing, another issue I believe is that some girls don't like it if a guy is not circumsized. [/QUOTE]This is something to seriously consider. A lot of muslim and jew broads are grossed out by uncut cock. Koreans too.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2272294] (Side note: There are two Starbucks along Jl. Hayam Wuruk that are opened 24 hours, and the crazy thing is that you will still find many people there in the wee hours. If only we have something like that back in The States).[/QUOTE]We do. You can find them in New York, Chicago, San Francisco, and other places. Just go to [URL]http://www.starbucks.com/store-locator[/URL] and click the box for "24 hours. " You'll see plenty.

Lots of other 24 hour cafes in major cities too, though they go by various names.

[QUOTE=KConstant;2272323]*Unlike the USA, emergency contraceptive is difficult to come by in Jakarta. A woman can't ask for it with scrutiny from authorities. I went to Guardian and Century and was rebuffed. Everytime, I was told I needed a prescription. They were not convinced by the argument that I it would be impossible for me to get a prescription since I couldn't get pregnant. I was able to secure a box of Microgynon from a mom-and-pop pharmacy in Tangerang, while on the way to the airport. Microgynon is a normal one-a-day birth control, but can we used as an emergency contraceptive. The box cost 16000. Those who are curious how this works can use Google.[/QUOTE]If you're traveling in Southeast Asia anyway, you can pick these up very easily in Cambodia, Thailand or Vietnam. Usually less than a dollar for the single pill. Check the expiration date and you can carry them with you into places like Indonesia if you feel you need them.

[QUOTE=KConstant;2272323] I wanted to have access to the type of girls that can be found walking around Grand Indonesia or SCBD. For me, the average coffee shop girl, sales promotion girl, or office worker is worth a tumble.[/QUOTE]Any pics you can post of the girls you met? Simple clothed pics are fine. Just curious what type of girls you did meet through that strategy.

Thanks, SEA Traveler.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2272455]Any pics you can post of the girls you met? Simple clothed pics are fine. Just curious what type of girls you did meet through that strategy.

Thanks, SEA Traveler.[/QUOTE]Sure, here are some pics. There were 4 girls.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2272423]Not so hard to imagine if you travel around Asia regularly. Girls in blow job bars routinely suck 5-10 guys a day for years on end. Bangkok, Pattaya, Saigon, Tokyo, Yokohama. They're sucking multiple cocks every day, bareback with cum in mouth. I got burnt because of it, but what are you going to do? CBJ?[/QUOTE]Sure they do that many numbers and even more. What I am trying to say is that dues to high mileage, you are also more exposed with BBBJ. That is why for me, I have to stick with CBJ for high mileage girls.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2272476]Sure they do that many numbers and even more. What I am trying to say is that dues to high mileage, you are also more exposed with BBBJ. That is why for me, I have to stick with CBJ for high mileage girls.[/QUOTE]If you're married, have a girlfriend, or expect to have one then you better take care with this stuff. If you're too far gone to ever have any kind of non-transactional relationship ever again in your life, or you've already been infected to the point of not caring about consequence, or believe that whatever happens can be remediated by popping a pill or two, then by all means, enjoy yourself to the utmost.

I spent an extended period in Jakarta (previously only short trips) and these are my thoughts. 7-10 years ago in Bangkok was probably my favorite period so that's my point of reference and always will be.

I averaged $94 per day for spending excluding accommodation, averaged just under one session per day. I look for good value, I'll average maybe 10-12 beers per night (maybe 6 of those beers are at cheap establishments early in the evening, my best night was 18 beers), eat local food or fast food (restaurants are awkward waiting for food while solo). I know enough Indonesian to handle a situation where no-one speaks English. I eat well and stay in shape when not on the road.

In terms of value, Indonesia is as good as it gets in Asia. A venue like Classic is safe, if you're there at 9 pm you have a great selection of nice looking women, there are no real scams, prices are great value, rooms are always spotless.

And really, all those venues whether Travel, Kota Indah, New Medika, it's all straightforward. They don't scam you (apart from the girls with shots but you just have to say no and then refuse to pay if they continue). The beer is reasonably priced, you can find cute girls and the prices are as cheap as you'll get in Asia. If it's your first time in Jakarta, it has novelty value compared to Thailand or the Philippines.

But it does get old quickly. It's like the Indonesians take the challenge out of mongering.

The venues are repetitive. The music generally sucks, it's extremely loud (if the music was good it wouldn't be a problem). The cigarette smoke really sucks after a while.

With all the venues being self-contained and taxi rides apart you don't get that buzz you get drinking in Bangkok, Manila, Pattaya, Angeles, Phnom Penh where you bounce from one bar to another all night long.

Blok M really isn't worth visiting. It's Mybar and Dee's Place. Nothing else. If you just came from Thailand or the Philippines you would wonder what the fuss is.

I thought CJs was a total tourist trap.

In terms of value, for $94 per day you can't beat Jakarta (I can't see prices remaining low I was staggered by how many tourists I saw this time compared to previous visits).

The girls are cute, they perform well enough, the prices are good value, but I end up longing for the energy of Bangkok or fun of Angeles City.

I did try Tinder and was shocked by the response. I didn't pursue anything. The first girl accused me of being someone else, then the next one seemed to not like the idea of a few drinks at beer garden. Preferred 'wine and vodka'. No thanks. Just didn't have the time to sift through them, but I think online would be a great way to go. Especially if you set your sights slightly lower than the hottest girls on there.

Again though, you're not in Bangkok you're in Jakarta. I suppose mongering is just one aspect of a mongering trip for me.

I'll return to Jakarta, but not for an extended trip. Even though I'm sure Jakarta improves once you have a network of girls or friends.

[QUOTE=KConstant;2272463]Sure, here are some pics. There were 4 girls.[/QUOTE]The girl by the mirror in the grey jumper holding a red phone in two photos = Ami.

The girl sitting on the bus with the red blouse and then laying on a bed wearing a flower dress = Kris.

The girl in the black blouse with the white lettered logo and grey skirt = Vina.

The girl in the rest of the photos = Mimi.

[QUOTE=KConstant;2272463]Sure, here are some pics. There were 4 girls.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. A different mix than what I am used to in the bars. Good for you.

I did Indo Cupid as part of my 2 week spring visit. Not as much luck tho as your trip.

Had dinner with 2, but no bedtime. Had lots of sex with the 3rd, but she also tried to monopolize my time as a girlfriend.

SEA Traveler.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2271233]I made it to CJs. First experience at one of the upscale FL joints in Jakarta.

Pay 200 k at the door for a beer. That wasn't cover price. That's how much they cost. At least not ++.

Bar was quite nice. Band was enjoyable. Nice break from the screeching dangdut shit you hear around Jakarta.

As for the girls (or should I say old ladies).

It really was a horrific scene.

They doll themselves up nicely, having pleasing personalities but most were 30+. I suspect quite a few single mothers looking at the bellies on them.

There were a couple of hotter younger chicks (maybe 25), but I could only imagine the asking price. It's not that they were any hotter than what you can find at Classic (for a fraction of the price), but they just dress nicer, get their hair professionally styled.

It's for guys who want to feel like they're in a bar actually seducing a woman. Asking price seemed to be 1,000,000 until breakfast.

Too many better value options in Jakarta to waste time on 200 k drinks to talk to women in their 30's. It felt like a total tourist trap.

If this was Angeles City, these women weren't dolled up, they would barely get 500 pesos.[/QUOTE]I agree with a lot of that, but as far as "better value" I think it just depends what you want out of the evening as far as choosing a venue. Do you value your time more than your money or vice-versa, do you just want mediocre sex with a young girl for an hour in a room in a brothel or do you want GFE and hours of fun hanging out before having better sex in your own room? Those girls at CJs and BATS are experts at making you believe they are your girlfriend for the night (as you mentioned).

I would not call CJs or BATS simply a "tourist trap" because many guys who live in Jakarta go there. Maybe a better description would be "westerner trap and tourist trap" LOL. You will find more western guys who live in Jakarta going to places like CJs and BATS than you will find in the brothels. Any nice 5 star location in Jakarta costs a lot to visit regardless of whether they have girls there or not.

I personally prefer CJs and BATS by far over a place like Hotel Classic or any other brothel in town. I like a nice place that has good music (and I find live bands fun). The drinks are absurdly priced, but I like the environment. I have to admit that I have met a couple of girls over 30 who were unbelievable stunners and I went for it, but normally I will go home alone rather than take a girl over 30 years old. There are some extreme hotties who are young who venture into CJs and BATS (usually never more than around 5 per night, so you do have to move quickly when you see a young hotty in order to get one). On occasion you can get lucky and find a girl who is very high quality and she just hasn't found a sponsor yet or is in between sponsors.

If you are looking for a girl to take to Bali, there are many good candidates in those places. Some of them have become good friends of mine over the years who I will actually meet for a coffee and just talk about life at times.

I think the better service in bed and overall fun experience with the girl justifies the higher price of the girls at CJs and BATS. I give those girls between 1 and 1.5 million. But if you just want cheap sex with a young attractive girl and don't care as much about quality of service or human interaction, then CJs and BATS are not the places to go. The girls in the brothels are younger without any doubt and they are far cheaper. Basically, every one of my Indonesian friends only cares about the price and the girl being young with white skin, they don't care anything about hanging out with the girl. So of course they prefer the brothels. And my western friends in town are the exact opposite. Personally, I find the brothels to be boring and very rarely even consider them, but I did used to like them years ago when I first arrived in town and was like a kid in a candy shop.

As far as Angeles City having hot women, that's an interesting comment. Maybe I went at the wrong time, but my experience in AC was a disaster. I only visited AC once for one week back in the mid 2000's, but I was not impressed in the least. I think AC has far worse looking women compared to Jakarta or Bangkok. I rarely saw any girl over a 6 in any of those bars in AC. The best looking girl I saw in AC was a waitress at a steak restaurant there. I will say that the girls in AC are fun, but it seemed to me like they needed to be playful to make up for their lack of good looks. I believe the ugliest girl I have ever taken home from BATS or CJs was better looking than the best girl I was with that week in AC. I have a friend who loves AC, but he says he likes it because it's cheap, he likes the girls playful personalities, and their ability to speak English. But he also thinks the girls there are not that good looking. Or were you simply commenting that if the CJs girls were as poorly made up as the girls in AC, that they would be as ugly or uglier than the AC girls?

[QUOTE=Marky1;2272495]
And really, all those venues whether Travel, Kota Indah, New Medika, it's all straightforward. They don't scam you (apart from the girls with shots but you just have to say no and then refuse to pay if they continue). The beer is reasonably priced, you can find cute girls and the prices are as cheap as you'll get in Asia. If it's your first time in Jakarta, it has novelty value compared to Thailand or the Philippines.

But it does get old quickly. It's like the Indonesians take the challenge out of mongering.[/QUOTE]Actually, they have the same kinds of places in the Philippines and Thailand too. That's where locals go. The thing is just that in Jakarta, locals are the main market. So foreigners go to the places really built for locals. The closest thing to a foreigner-centered place like Nana or Fields Ave in Jakarta is Blok M and the hotel freelance scene. Both are overpriced and filled with old ladies. Same around Asia: they usually give us the leftovers.

I much prefer lower prices, better looking women, and straight forward situations. Other guys are looking for a temporary girlfriend to drink with them. I agree that for them, Thailand and the Philippines are better. And I hope most will stay there too, because I'd rather not see Jakarta prices inflate any further.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2272476]Sure they do that many numbers and even more. What I am trying to say is that dues to high mileage, you are also more exposed with BBBJ. That is why for me, I have to stick with CBJ for high mileage girls.[/QUOTE]Yet they keep going for years, sucking many guys per day bareback, with repeat customers and new guys coming in day after day. Seems unlikely they would get this kind of custom if bareback blowjob was a real harbinger for disease.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2272495]
Blok M really isn't worth visiting. It's Mybar and Dee's Place. Nothing else. If you just came from Thailand or the Philippines you would wonder what the fuss is.[/QUOTE]Blok M is dead and not worth visiting, I agree. Only in an act of desperation after 3 am when you don't have a girl yet should you venture to My Bar these days. There are, at times, a few quality girls who do hit My Bar after 3 am.

Judging from your posts, you would have been in heaven at Blok M 15 to 20 years ago when it was off the hook. I used to spend almost every night there it was so good. Now, I don't even consider going there. But years ago, there were lots of young girls, it was not expensive, and it was damn fun. We would hit Top Gun after work and there would already be lots of girls there by 6 pm. You could take one back for a short time, then come back to the Blok for round two at Oscars (Oscars was just up the road from Top Gun and was two stories with a live band). If you didn't find a girl at Oscars by 2am, you could hit Lintas Melawai (which was awesome) around the corner at the Hotel Melawai and didn't close until the sun came up. The memories of the old days are why there was a "fuss" about Blok M. It was the most awesome place in Southeast Asia in the 90's and early 2000's (along with Tanamur) as far I am concerned. Now it sucks and Tanamur is gone. You simply may have discovered Jakarta too late.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2272629]As far as Angeles City having hot women, that's an interesting comment. Maybe I went at the wrong time, but my experience in AC was a disaster. I only visited AC once for one week back in the mid 2000's, but I was not impressed in the least. I think AC has far worse looking women compared to Jakarta or Bangkok. I rarely saw any girl over a 6 in any of those bars in AC. The best looking girl I saw in AC was a waitress at a steak restaurant there. I will say that the girls in AC are fun, but it seemed to me like they needed to be playful to make up for their lack of good looks. I believe the ugliest girl I have ever taken home from BATS or CJs was better looking than the best girl I was with that week in AC. I have a friend who loves AC, but he says he likes it because it's cheap, he likes the girls playful personalities, and their ability to speak English. But he also thinks the girls there are not that good looking. Or were you simply commenting that if the CJs girls were as poorly made up as the girls in AC, that they would be as ugly or uglier than the AC girls?[/QUOTE]If I want single mothers at freelance joints that can speak English I can get that in AC at a fraction of the price. CJs was a nice bar and I enjoyed the band, but 200 k per beer is too much and average woman too old. High Society in AC is obviously catering to a different market, a different sex tourist, it's a sex town not one of the most important cities in SEA, but it's 27 k IDR per beer.

That's what Jakarta freelance venues compete with (in my eyes only).

The average girl somewhere like Classic exceeds what you find in AC no doubt.

Classic and the rest of the places just aren't fun places for a westerner to spend time. Sure, I can go to pubs in South Jakarta, but it's gets to the point where I ask why don't I just go to Bangkok if I'm taking taxis all over Jakarta. Spend a few days in Jakarta indulging in cheap pussy in North Jakarta, then head to Thailand or the Philippines for an extended period.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2272651]If I want single mothers at freelance joints that can speak English I can get that in AC at a fraction of the price.[/QUOTE]Or even for free with a few minutes of sweet talk. Not hard to score single moms in a lot of Asia at all. The local guys usually don't want much to do with them. That's why they're single moms!

[QUOTE]The average girl somewhere like Classic exceeds what you find in AC no doubt.[/QUOTE]Absolutely.

[QUOTE]Classic and the rest of the places just aren't fun places for a westerner to spend time. [/QUOTE]I don't know. I think having sex with a 19 year old spinner is pretty fun. Not a "girlfriend experience" for sure. Asian guys usually are good at seeing lines. They go to brothels for sex. They go to girlfriends for fun spending time. They go to wives to make a family.

[QUOTE] CJs was a nice bar and I enjoyed the band, but 200 k per beer is too much and average woman too old.[/QUOTE]Absolutely, and this is the deal at pretty much every freelance place in Asia aimed at foreigners. CJs, BATS, Beach Club, BRIX, all full of older women asking large sums.

The moral is that Western guys are known for paying more than everyone else, and for choosing women that local guys don't really want.