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Hi,
I've finally decided to try MPs this time. Shall be in Bangkok this weekend. Do I have a chance to get any disease becuase of this?
Can I get AIDS or any STD if do the tub thing? I'll avoid penetrative sex anyway.
Please respond. No cynicism.
Thanks
Prince,
No cynicism from me, just pity...
Have you ever considered talking to your gp about this?
Where ever you live, there must be a place where you can go and ask all the questions you have and get some answers.
We don't live in the fifties anymore, you know...
Last night, the condom broke. I felt it, pulled out immediately and ran to the shower to wash off.
Does anyone have an informed opinion about the chances of catching a nasty given the circumstances? Also, how long do I need to wait to test and where I can go in LOS to do so?
purple, if you pulled out immediately and washed off the chances are almost nil that you would catch something. if you urinated immediately as well the chances are almost zero. i wouldn't even worry about it enough to get checked.
civ2000-
PnG, as Civ says the probability is that you're safe, but the window period for testing varies widely in terms of the type of STD, so it's tough to say exactly when you should get tested if that's what you want. The quickest an infection would be detected is generally two days -- and that's only for Gonorrhea, with most others taking around two weeks at a minimum to show up. The best way to check things is to have a blood test done at 3 months and another at six, as that covers basically all the windows.
Thanks for the responses (in this thread and by PM). I'm calm about it now and will wait my 2 weeks for a first test and then get more thorough work-ups at the recommended 3 and 6 month intervals.
Also, I'm gonna have my little bit of Joy checked as well so I can be doubly sure.
Overly paranoid? Maybe, but spilling a little blood in a vial and pissing in a cup is a small cost to pay for piece of mind :)
Thanks again.
The WHO estimates that half of all sex workers in LOS are HIV +. That is a sobering thought. The same study also notes that in the North, that figures is probably 75%.
Condoms decrease any chance of obtaining an STD dramatically, but when you mix alcohol, stupidity, sleep deprivation, Cialis and more infected hotties than you can shake a stick at...well, anything can and does happen.
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Golazo,
the WHO estimates are just that, estimates spewed out by mathematical models.
One should rely on WHO facts and figures. But there are not enough of those to support the estimates regarding HIV prevalence, as nobody ever bothered to run comprehensive field tests, because of cost, political resistance, etc.
In the absence of evidence, these estimates are rather wild guesses, that could be miles away from the truth.
This of course is no reason to abandon safe sex behaviors, since even in a totally HIV-free world there are countless of nasties that one can catch.
Golazo, would you please cite a specific source for those figures, as they're radically higher than any others I've ever tracked down. I know, for example, that the 2000 UNAIDS/WHO estimates were at 7% for Bangkok and ranged up to 57% in places in the north. The last time I saw estimates in your ranges for Thailand were from the early 90s.
[quote][i]My reply to a PM from Obepo concerning his request for info on BBFS at Eden (BKK2004 thread)[/i]
First, it wasn't an attack. It was more like a slap in the face, 'Wake the fuck up', kind of thing. However, since you are obviously doing this with every bit of awareness...
You're not worth the time wasted to look up hard numbers, so I'll stick with conservative estimates. Unprotected sex with an HIV person carries greater than a 5% chance of causing transmission of the disease. More than 1% of pros are infected. the odds are that you're infected as well. That leaves at least a .02 probability that you would catch the nastiest from any pro you fuck. Add in the rest of the nasties, even excluding those that penicilin can rectify, and you've got to be looking at a well over .1, but the .02 is good enough to prove the point. You say you've barebacked a couple 100? We'll assume that means 200. If you've barebacked 200 and had a .02 chance of contracting HIV, then you have a probability of 1 for being a diseased dude (and a probability of 20 for all the nasties). When's the last time you got checked? My guess is never, or you're lying about not knowing you're infected.
How does that fuck things up for the rest of us? You're spreading your diseases you worthless, walking dead, mother fucker. When you give someone HIV, you are killing them and possibly the people they have sex with (whether their partner's wear protection or not does not erase all probability). So, you go around spreading your shit and are not only raising the risk level for the rest of us, but you are killing your partners.
Basically, you're a murdering, diseased, fucked up in the head shitbag. I'm not your buddy.
Lay off? You can fuck off.
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Opebo wrote on 04-13-04 19:17:
PurplenGold,
Friend, my question about Eden was an honest one, I don't see why you had to attack me:
>Obepo, are you insane? You are seeking out bareback with pros?
I've barebacked at least a couple of hundred. Nothing worse than a few antibiotics required on rare occasions.
>Are you already infected with all the nasties and just want to fuck the world up for the rest of us?
A) No, uninfected, of course. You've just plain got your facts wrong on female to male transmission.
B) How does it fuck it up for the rest of you? If you're wearing your condom, you're not going to get anything regardless. What she does with others is none of your business.
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Please, people, ignore this fool's request. And, if anyone knows him personally, please smack the shit out of him in order to knock some sense into him.
PnG, I'm sure 99% of the mongers on this board agree with you (myself included) but there has been at least a hundred posts warning Obepo of his idiosy and suicidal ways to no avail.
Some guys just never learn!
Did anyone see the report in Details Magazine, also the reports on Fox News saying that that said HIV and AIDS is not cause by normal sex between a man and a woman? And that the chance of getting aids through normal sex without a condom is one in five million and with a condom one in fifty million?
Not trying to start another condom vs. no condom fight here just asking the questions. It does make one think, if true maybe time to rethink the positions that we take?
Sexreview
SR, in this case I support what you say about re-thinking our positions. This doesn't equate to changing your position.
A number of years ago I heard on the (highly regarded) public radio system in Oz that the chances of contracting AIDS for a man have unprotected sex with an HIV-positive woman was about 1 in 400. You then needed to extrapolate those odds against the chances that the woman you were with was positive. This will obviously vary according to the lifestyle of the woman ie sex worker, amateur, etc etc.
I haven't heard or seen anything since which contradicts the 1:400 statistic. Of course you may always be the 1, but like so many things in life, we are often weighing up risks against rewards.
I don't condone or condemn unprotected sex - I just think we need to make our own choices, as does the (working) girl, and the next guy who goes with her.
jack
In China, nothing is ever as it seems.
PnG - while your intentions in the BB issue are correct, your statistics are a bt "muddled". Assuming a .02 (as in 2 percent) chance of an occurance, that same 2 percent occurs whatever the occassion. Just like throwing a "seven" in dice is always 6/36 - because you manage to throw 35 "not seven" in a row doesn't mean that the chance of the "seven" is "1" - it's still 1/6 (numbers are my work)
As to BB and the HiV, issue, though - without "proof" (as in "verified test" of non-infection, the risk is just too high. It's not like losing a bet (as in dice) will cost you some money - you risk your life
Use the BIG head, not the LITTLE head