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Few attractive women that I have met would be willing to put their photos on the internet. The best posted photos on this site seem to come from Russia and Eastern Europe. As far as women are concerned, I have been blown away by the beauty and composure of many South American women who have dressing habits that are often first world.
here's how i have it broken down -
personal preference:
5'0 or taller "lorias", fair skin, light or dark eyes, light hair, coke bottle shape, with slightly larger rear end and hips, about 100-140lbs. morenas are on that list as well, same stats. ages 21-30
for comparasion purposes:
sheri's ranch, overnight with say "tj". she squrits, likes black men, does anal and for somebody beyond 30 looks very good, super tight body (all confirmed)
scale about - 8
total cost: $1525
since i have never personally met her, $25 in fuel, $300 for test drive, $1200 for i believe 10 hours in a suite (all expenses and food). not to mention 2 hours drive for total time spent about 14 hours awake and max of 4-6 hours sleep in 24 hour period.
i can most likely find somebody local for about $800 for the same quality, maybe. but again since i don't have a favorite, figure on $150-200 for test drive and $500-800 overnight with looks scale about 7-8.
total: $650-$1,000
i haven't decided which area to visit first, so i'll just list what i have so far:
lax to sao paulo 5 days and bsa for 5 days, total ticket price - $950 (plane has to refuel in sp anyway)
i guess i need a vista even for a short vist to brasil? , not sure but just say - $125
estanplaza paulista (3 star, chica friendly) - $499us for 5 days
sampa guide ride from airport, first internet chica setup, transportation for chica to and from hotel - $200r ($89.53us)
chantily has proven track record (wysiwyg).
complete service (including anal) and bbbj for $300r ($134.29us) 2 hours with extended time more than possible for minor fee.
geez first night in sao paulo i can get top level, english speaking gfe and still spent less than i would have in lv and bella is at least 7.5 on the scale with a tight body (reported) and much ass (visually confirmed).
from there i can get massage and full service from a clinica for about $160r (71.62us). looks of massues run from 5 to about 8 in the places that have been reported on.
there also private apartments and even a rio style terma in the area.
employing sampa guide for the evening runs $150r (about $60us) and includes free entry in most of the top pickup clubs and strip joints in sp. an upper level (not we) chica will run about $650r ($290.95) for overnight until 8am, maybe longer. that includes the bar fine and drinks (gringo rates).
other options include love story nigtclub which is full of non-pros and pros after midnight (its an after-hours joint) and the range is from 5-9.5 usually with anywhere from freebies to $400r for tln (reported).
but i fully expect to mix my pro action with a heavy dose of non-pro mining with sampa guide, we'll chill, get our boogie on and have a good time.
hobbying budget for sp is $1500 for 5 days of action. of course i'll try and spend less than that, in fact the 2ndary goal is to find one special chica for str, daytime sight seeing, maybe a trip to the coast to the beaches and other gfe b.s if i find that, the rate will be greatly reduced and while i do relish the chance of sampling alot of different chicas i'm sure i'll connect with one or two in the first 48 hours or so, based on meeting maybe 4-6 women in that time frame.
bsa terms and conditions:
most to the hotels near the "triangle" are chica friendly and about $60-70us a night. most of them 3-4 star. apartments run about $50-60 a day and include cable tv and high speed internet.
roxanne will set you up with an apartment, internet chica(s), pick up from the airport and even guided tour of bsa for a reasonable rate.
"triangle" chicas run from about $150-200ar for short time, about $300-400r for tln and protential for alot longer for slightly more money. those are "gringo" rates. im not sure what the "brotha" rate is yet...
chicas range from 5-9 in these clubs, tho i think some people need their eyes checked i haven't seen a visual comfirmation of a 9 yet. but the web sites are loaded with 8.5, 9's on my personal scale.
there about alot of private apartments in the relocata (sp?) area with chicas running from $60ar an half hour of fs with $20r tip for bbbj. geek is also extra. its $80ar for an hour and $20 tip for bbbj. most of the talent is from 5-8 area.
bsa has a better than average nightlife as well, so while acturate non-pro reporting is somewhat mixed, it still possible.
hobby budget is set at $1,000 based on strength of dollar vs ar peso and the apartment chicas are excellent "bang for the buck" so to speak.
so its either:
total vaction cost - $3,000est
that's equal too:
four or less all nighters at a southern neveda brothel, no take home option and no potential for "freebies". have i mention that area is baren and lv is 55 mins away?
i doubt seriously i could find an 7-8 local provider that will give me 10 days worth of services equal to the gfe/pse level i believe i can find in south america. i can find services in other areas like mexico and central america for about the same or less when added with travel cost.
but i really like "loiras" and sp and bsa have the highest concentration of european influence.
i'm not trying to make this longer, but i think this will help other in my postion.
european tour -
lax to manchester 2 days (non pro visit) then on to frankfurt, germany
ticket price - $870 total with taxes
this trip has the potential for alot of non-pro action. according to my intel, germany is very "hot" for a guy such as myself (black male, mid 30's, in shape, above averge looks, no kids, never married, good career, etc, etc).
the hardest part is going to be to narrow down all the personal ads i have run across and then cordinate my traveling with where they live. the goal here is mining for ltr with relocation possiblities, something i've never been able to do despite having more than a few internet relationships with ladies from germany, sweden and the netherlands over the years.
between all that, i do want to sample the german fkk scene and depending on just what happens on the non-pro front, train down to prague and check out the fkk's, non-pro nightclub action and maybe get in a few privates as well.
because of the exchange rate between the us dollar and euro, it actually would cost less to go to europe, but more to hobby. this is why the non-pro front is more important here. but the value of the fkk's in germany are very good, even if timing limiting and no reasonable take home option.
prague ffk but for big sister have a take home option and the exchange rate is still good enough to get reasonable value at the fkk, even if the privates are better, yet harder to find.
depending on what your goals are, if your a brotha into the european look like myself, you might want to start in europe first and then try south america.
if my goal was to just bang as much as possible i would consider phi my next stop, as phlips in the us like black men and i talked to a couple of girls down there already, its just not high on my list. i doubt if i can sneak in another 10 days off and another several thousand dollar trip next year. going to both europe and south america looks like it will set me back around $6000-7000 us. now that sounds like alot, but i hardly have any bills and even still is only about 1/4 of my total net income, not gross. my first trip will be heavily offsetted by my tax return, bringing the net cost of the first trip down by at least $1,000 if not more, making the plane ride and some of my hotel stay free.
the hobby budget is based on saving about $550 a month out of my income which is just about half of my weekly pay so that's easy.
target date for either trip is april/may. i realize that's the coolest time of the year for brasil and argentina, so i might opt for europe first as i would be getting in just before holiday/vaction summertime peak.
sorry for the long post.
I'm not a brutha. For STR Asia should be serious considered by anybody. Really exotic and adventurous may be going to Mongolia hunting for the rare blonds that are direct decedents of Amazon warriors. Otherwise, the place may be old, but they have infrastructure, reputation, experience. Girls don't grow old, constant supply of new girls.
Personal preference are difficult. Say, everyone wants coke bottle shape. 100 lb at age 21 have to be Asian girl. Rear end have to be Brazilian. China have all sorts, except for the hair, and you have to research where best to go for such a large place.
I picked BsA for European looks, but putting them side by side, I picked a Brazilian, and a skinny Paraguay girl with Asian body type. And I have to stop myself from picking more Brazilians. My lesson is that absolute beauty easily outweigh preference. East/Central Europe is a better bet, I bet they don't import that much.
I would be flexible on the age. If you start at 18, by 21 you will be physically or mentally desensitized. At late 20's to 30, women can be better with maturity but these women aren't and can't take care of themselves as normal women.
Forget about Nevada brothels. Last place on earth I would go there even if free. They are that bad. Those who go there are exceptionally (I couldn't find a word). All ratings and confirmation are off the charts.
Don't expect you can easily get an allnighter in anywhere in the world, unless the joint has a lineup, and then you pick one and take her home by default. If the girl also charges by the hour, many factors will be against an allnighter. If the girl is hot, she can easily get a few hourly clients per evening. It doesn't make any economic sense unless you are willing to pay at least 3 or 4 times near the end of her shift. And you don't really want a tired girl.
Say in LA, I doubt if many will accept an offer without knowing you well. Not just a test drive to know each other, but like a regular. Many girls cannot offer GFE and therefore an all nighter, if on the menu, is useless.
I hate that when you are hit over $1500 for ticket and hotel without doing anything. If you have sex 5 times that would be $300 each. If you stay at home and spread it out instead of 5 days in a roll, that will be much more enjoyable.
Guides in say Thailand are more affordable. English speaking driver with transport for whole day. Tourist guy by day and sex guide by night. Pretty safe to go anywhere.
BsA internet big screw up. It's like LA without review sites like T E R. Would Brazil be better?
$300 R for two hours is very realistic. But I remember BsA is more expensive than Brazil, but the aids and crime statistics stick out like a sore thumb. In BsA private apartments, service completo cost a lot less 100-120 peso an hour, for girls that Jackson would do.
$650 R TLN should be realistic as that's 300 USD, but as I said, if she also charges per hour, she can get that in less than two hours.
Try hooking up with non-pros with a local guide, that would be fun. I would guess they will try to ruin it for you, then take you to a quality joint and get a small cut.
I don't suppose Brazil real estate will be more expensive than Recoleta. So it's worthwhile to pay more for hotel space there. Book early for apartment for high season.
"Triangle Chicas run from about $150-200AR for short time, about $300-400R for TLN and potential for alot longer for slightly more money. " Do the math. It doesn't make sense. For Blacks and similar clubs, 300 AR or 100 US for 1 hour. A girl offer me 900 AR or 300 US for 3 hour, no concession. She must have passed her elementary arithmetic. You could do better than me of course. I lived across Blacks. When I walked out every night, I was in danger of some street promoter dragging me into Blacks. I sit near the extreme end opposite the stage for a quiet drink with my girl, but the stripper came to dance on my table for the two of us. My girl told me to go to the toilet first before we left, even I lived across the street. Her friend in charge of the toilet must be trying to hit me with a big tip, as the tip tray contains all big peso notes. In the other club, they won't allow me to walk nor take a taxi. I took one of those jack black cars for VIPs. The driver looked more like a security agent.
However, an internet girl, after we finished, did offer me TLN for around several times the hourly rate of 100 AR I think. She's not the best but alright, but that was early time in the trip and I still had high expectations. I turned her down. But more importantly, apart from looks, the way she kissed me, looked at me, talked to me, wasn't meeting my criteria. In LA, even if I can afford it, there's only I girl I ever met I would TLN with. She's Asian with very unique background, so it's as good as none. In W Europe, a few girl passed my criteria. Asia, plenty.
Remember, LA escort sites are all loaded with pictures of 10's. After a few I gave up on the internet girls in BsA.
I have visited a few private apartments in day time. There's only one that I approve of, which Jackson used. Around 100 AR and a little more for complete service. Take out also available and any hotel is much better than that dump, though maybe it's the best dump. By the way, the girl I saw I'm happy to spend the night with her. But I had to get to the airport right after. Don't know if TLN is an option. But like I said, she could have done 10 guys into late evening, and I don't think she would like to leave early.
$3000 equals
0 in Nevada - if you like porn stars passed sell by date, OK, but better spread the time rather than TLN.
3 TLN in LA with good looking Asian girl, if you are lucky. 3 x 1 hr straight sex with 18 year old blond dancer, if you are lucky.
I ended up with no TLN in a week in BsA. You need serious help and its obvious where to find it. So it would have been better for me with 10 x $300 encounters spread evenly over many weeks in LA. $300 buys a lot these days because of the price pressure from CL, the crack down of MP's, and a large surplus of Korean girls. If you are Asian, a lot cheaper than $300 for a start. One reason for Asian only is because in the USA aids statistics, white men are the top risk, while Asian women are as low risk as any other country in the world. They want to keep it that way.
Asia - sure thing. But TLN take out places don't have test drive. It sort of make sense. But for the good price and selection, it doesn't hurt that much if the 1st one doesn't meet expectation. Take another one.
Sorry James it sounded like Im not flexible I am... :)
Ages and things are only starting points. About TLN's I know going in its a crap shoot and all that stuff. Who knows what would really happen once I actually get down there early next year, but I feel I have handle on it for the most part. All the ISG's boards do an excellent job of making things easy to find and work with.
I also understand the dynamics I was just outlining a plan and trying to point how hopelessly pointless a local or Neveda outting would be. It just doesn't make sense.
I like thick and thin girls I just wanna get away from the American "Cows" that are always blowing up my Inbox on personal ad sites... I mean Im not perfect, I could lose about 10lbs, I don't run as fast as I used too and its harder to dunk, all signs of not keeping in shape and aging, but dayum I'd wish these 250lbs heffers would leave me alone!
Brazilians are in a class all alone... I don't think anything on earth comes close in overall packaging.
Thanks for the input, I must be on the right track if you didn't totally pick it apart - :D
Okay so you picked it apart a bit more: D
I'd don't like the idea of spending $1500 before I even tagged anybody either, but being white or asian you don't have women hanging up the phone on you talking about "I don't do black guys" or something to that effect.
That has happen more than once here.
Not to say that won't happen to me in BsA or even Brasil (I doubt I'll be making the call myself anyway), but from the couple of black guys that have PM'ed me said they had no problems at all down there. I would venture to say that they are most likely decidedly older than me too.
I'm not going to go on record saying I would get better service just because I look 25 as opposed to looking 55, but as with all things YMMV. I'm not counting on it either. I too am not totally impressed with the quality og chicas that Jackson makes use of. Not totally bowled over by the posted pictures of chicas from any of the "Triangle" area clubs or even Apartments. Okay maybe my standards are higher, there some decent talent out there.
Internet chicas are hit and miss anywhere, but seems some of the sites are reliable up to a point.
Its still a bit early, the non-pro front is still developing. There is always the possiblity of me hitting Europe first. Afterall I have already one non-pro lock but she has 2 kids and I really rather not get more physical than I have to. Just makes it messy, speaking from experience. She wants LTR, I'm not so sure.
I just have to say this.
It maybe all pink inside but I like the outter wrapping too much and honestly for a guy like me in my situation I could bang sista, after sista, left and right for free. I also got BBW's standing in line, so the question isn't getting p***y its the SELECTION I have available, the rigamarole to even get the p***y and I don't like it.
I have several Asian friends and every so often I go party with them. Its just not what I want and I see attractive Asians of all ethnic backgrounds, it just doesn't interest me, not even for free and for sure not p4p.
Brasil vs BsA -
It only would cost $170 more to fly down to BsA on the same ticket. It would only represent 1 internet chica in ($200R for 1 hour) SP or (2) Messages with full service, completo in an Clinica for $120R an hour.
If you feel Brasil is more worth while, you won't get an argument from me.
But nothing ventured is one of my mottos.
The clubs I kinda wanted to check out, just to check out. I'm not sure I would pull anybody from there, especially if the price wasn't reasonable, but I'm sure their are bargins to be had.
I would most likely ask for "Take Out" from the apartments its only $10AR more I think. I mean their a few options and I didn't feel like more than 5 days was worth while in BsA especially when I don't know much spanish at all.
BsA internet is highly unreliable. The reliable sites didn't turn me on. Some are decorative girls, who you can never book. If you pre-book well in advance at a good local rate, the chance they turn up is low. Just like USA and many other places, the most reliable is you call when you are ready, or one or two hours in advance. Who knows what tomorrow will bring? They also don't quote TLN prices for most. If you ask they say they don't offer.
And if anybody turn up, prepare taxi fare and they will go with a smile if you don't want her. But it's a bit tedious.
Minorities are often disproportionally high in hookers in many countries. And they often foreign workers if the living standard is higher than neighboring countries. LA has probably more blond as anyone can afford to dye their hair with good quality blond color. Even in the best clubs and apartments, the enthicity is well mixed. You import girls because they looks better for the same rate.
For apartments, you don't have lineups of six after six after six. That's only in Asia.
Clubs, the best clubs has decent dress code so you can't see much skin as in bikini. The lighting in some clubs are dark. The hot girls often hang out with their regular groups. In other clubs, girls keep coming up so you have a hard time to turn them all down so as to have a good look around.
The good thing is that La Recoleta Cemetry is on the world's list of places to visit. (But no one told me that, but I saw the outside everyday.) And if you are a startup professional USA football (soccer) team travelling overseas to learn something, that will work nicely for non-pro in Manchester or BsA I suppose.
[QUOTE=James D 2004]BsA internet is highly unreliable. The reliable sites didn't turn me on. Some are decorative girls, who you can never book. If you pre-book well in advance at a good local rate, the chance they turn up is low. Just like USA and many other places, the most reliable is you call when you are ready, or one or two hours in advance. Who knows what tomorrow will bring? They also don't quote TLN prices for most. If you ask they say they don't offer.
And if anybody turn up, prepare taxi fare and they will go with a smile if you don't want her. But it's a bit tedious.
Minorities are often disproportionally high in hookers in many countries. And they often foreign workers if the living standard is higher than neighboring countries. LA has probably more blond as anyone can afford to dye their hair with good quality blond color. Even in the best clubs and apartments, the enthicity is well mixed. You import girls because they looks better for the same rate.
For apartments, you don't have lineups of six after six after six. That's only in Asia.
Clubs, the best clubs has decent dress code so you can't see much skin as in bikini. The lighting in some clubs are dark. The hot girls often hang out with their regular groups. In other clubs, girls keep coming up so you have a hard time to turn them all down so as to have a good look around.
The good thing is that La Recoleta Cemetry is on the world's list of places to visit. (But no one told me that, but I saw the outside everyday.) And if you are a startup professional USA football (soccer) team travelling overseas to learn something, that will work nicely for non-pro in Manchester or BsA I suppose.[/QUOTE]Actually she lives in Blackpool, the closest airport is Manchester.
I totally agree with you on all points and I have started to re-think what I would do down there. It does look like alot of the internet chicas do not associate with the "lesser" women you find in the "Triangle". I would never setup TLN with anybody without meeting them first or even a second time.
Thanks for your input James, especially since your a local in the brotherhood.
Suggestions.
Vacation time coming up and I wanna take a trip somewhere where the flight, board and mongering is least expensive.
Any suggestions based on your experiences?
Ladies race does not matter, luv'em all from Latinas to Asians...it's all pink inside!
Thanks,
Maloso
Germany is a good bet, take a look at the board on FKK clubs.
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=406534&postcount=5[/url]
Best bargain? Cheapest pussy?
Who cares? I have seen a lot of places in Africa where you can get sex for as low as 500F CFA, which is less than a 1$. Who cares if you can find it for 0.5$, 1$ or 2$ if you need to pay ME for 100 000$ before I will agree to put my dick in it!
But what if you can fuck a 20 year old gorgeous blonde goddess with an incredible body that looks like Cameron Diaz in an upscale clean safe and legal environment in a developped country for only...25 bucks?
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=414531&postcount=576[/url]
To each his own, FKK is just one example, the best for FKK fans of course. See discussion at [url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=408171&postcount=6[/url]
I think from the research and prices it looks like a trip to Europe is what I'm settling on, found airfare from L.A. to Spain for $350 R/T, from there I'll probably take the train to France and Germany home of the FKK clubs!
Was thinking Argentina or Brasil but airfare is double, even though expenses are probably cheaper.
So it looks like a European mongering trip.
Thanks for the input all.
Maloso
Guys,
I still have a lot of travelling and mongering to get through but here's my view on best places.
I am reasonably impressed with Poland. The girls there can offer good service and can be very beautiful. There are the obvious language problems and prices are starting to creep. I'm looking forward to FKK experience, it's criminal that I have neither been there nor to Prague when (for a UK resident) they are more or less on my doorstep. Holland quite good but the pros are a bit boring the way they add 20 euros on for everything. You can go in for a 50 Euro suck and fuck and end up paying 90-100 for what you actually want ie a bit of doggie or to actually feel their tits (shock horror)
As for UK, Manchester wins hands down and still offers excellent value for money for filthy fun. If I go to Poland, I've spent a few hundred sterling on my hotel and flight so a 'Larry goes mad in Manchester' would probably have a similar effect on my wallet to 'Larry goes mad in Warsaw'.
If you guys can spend a few days in Manchester England you have to do the Bury- Manchester city centre run - there are dozens of brothels starting from 'The Wonder Lounge' (Great girls, great service) and 'Arabesque' (mediocre looking but really mucky) in Bury town centre all the way down the Bury Old Road, through Whitefield, you'll pass Hayleys, Sandy's Superstars, Gemini, Julie's, Bunty's, Salon 24, International massage etc etc until you hit Manchester City Centre and places like selecta 2000 where you can get 30mins with a girl for £40, £5 extra for deep french kissing.
Buy the Manchester Evening News and you'll see them all advertised - with a little research guys and a command of the English language you will find this place a real Mecca for fun (although I am a little bit biased to UK) - at many of these establishments you can get 30-40mins (no time wasting bullshit) for £45-50 with girls who at WL and Sandy's consistently push 7-9 and are very horny and friendly.
Happy mongering.
How is Greece and Israel for STR girls?