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[QUOTE=George90]Both you and I know that the oil rich nations and the US need each other for mutual benefit. We need them to get the oil we need and lend us the money we do not have the will to stop borrowing. They need us for a safe place to invest their money.
Now, imagine that al Qaeda comes to the same conclusion as you, and realizes that a decline in the ability of oil rich countries to continue to lend to us will disrupt both the US and those countries. Bin Laden vowed to overthrow Suadi Arabia because he felt they were defiling Islam, the Prophets, and the Holy cities of Mecca and Medina. The terrorists can hit 2 or 3 birds with 1 stone if they attack and destabilize the currency and international finance markets.
I think we are very lucky that the madrasses that train terrorists do not teach them finance![/QUOTE]
If you think the top echelons of Jihadist terrorism aren't at least as knowledgeable about international finance as us great thinkers on ISG, you're fooling yourself. Keeping the brainwashed foot soldiers ignorant is irrelevant. It's very true there is a real, committed, murderous enemy with multiple incentives to attack us out there. The mystery is why it hasn't happened again.
On the other hand, 9/11 didn't destabilize much of anything, and there's no reason to assume another attack of similar intensity would either. Allowing things like Iraq to turn into a demonstration that the US is a bumbling, ineffectual, paper tiger in dealing with it's enemies is another story. Similarly, failing to treat energy independence as a national security issue is extremely dangerous. Unfortunately, what we get are subsidies for corn farmers instead.
MJG - to continue from colombia photo gallery, why that view on europeans?
I am American by the way.
Jon32:
View on Europeans, ok here we go:
1) The Europeans do not know how to tell the difference between Americans and American Politics. Many Europeans have been and down right hostile to american tourist, where as you hardly ever hear of a European tourist being hassled while they are here. There is no reason to spit on American children in London, beat this hsit out of some guy from Utah, who was trying to run down two thieves who stole his camcorder, he was pummeled in the streets of Naples, by both Italian citizens and by the police. It took an apology from the mayor of Naples to soothe things over, and of course our worthless state department did nothing to help this guy. My girlfriend whom is Colombian works for her aunt in Milan, says that most of the young people in Milan hassle Americans. And yet the hypocracy of Europeans who want our tourist dollars and act like this, Fuck Them.....
2) Europeans trying to impose the laws of Europe on americans. eg: International Criminal courts, consumption tariffs, shaking down of Microsoft etc... Who do these fuckers think they are? Fuck them.....
3) anti-semitism- first of all I am not Jewish, nor am I a practicing christian. But if you read on what is going on in Europe now you see the 1930's all overa agin. Jews are starting to be beaten in the cities, especially in France, Belguim and to a lessor extent Spain and Italy. Lets face it Europe still uses the jews as a scapegoat, but Europe is still angry about Israel surviving after 1948, for when Israel was founded the Europeans were all for it, for they thought that the Arabs would wipe the Jews out, eg: finish the holocaust, now they always side with the palestinians, not becuase of any great love for the Palestinians, but of shear hatred of Israel. The Europeans for years hid their hatred of Israel, I guess out of shame, but not anymore.
4) Constant lecturing by the European media. In 2004 the British media sent thousands of e-mails telling the people in Ohio to vote for Kerry, of course this backfired, for americans as you know do not like having some Euro telling him whom to vote for. The European media likes to lecture us on how dumb Americans are? Well the Europeans I guess do not undertsand that there are more people with masters degrees in the United States than in Europe, as a whole. I also do not need Europe constantly hammering the UN to impose restrictions on gun ownership throughout the World. There is only one country whom Europe and the UN are targeting, The USA. I wonder why they do not want us to be armed? Think about it with an open mind. Hint, It has nothing to do with our soaring crime rates. Robberies per capita are much higher in Great Britain than they are here in the US. Again think why they do not want us to be armed?
5) The constant degrading of our dead soldiers who died liberating Europe from the Germans. the Uk Guardian and a French newspapers used Novermber 11th, 2006, as a day to defecate on our dead. they claim that the Americans were not very good fighters and did nothing to contribute to the victory. The in western europe now give the Soviets all of the credit for winning ww2. I guess they have never heard of Patton, whom was the most feared allied commander by the Germans in the second war. One of the editorails was written by a member of British parliament, someone from the Labor Party, It was revolting to read, but I was not surprised. I called his deputy and told him to come over here, to lets say georgia or alabama and spout his mouth and defecate the memory of the dead on american soil and see what would happen to him.
Do you wnat anymore examples. Americans need to understand one thing The Europeans have never liked us and now are not hiding their hatred towards Americans as a whole, we in their minds are one step above the Jews in their minds, and it is about time that Americans wake up to this fact and quit trying to be nice to them. We also need to pull out all of our troops out of Europe, and whn the Islamo-facists gobble up Europe, our govermnet and our military should not do a damm thing. It will be then that maybe we in this nation get serious about defending ourselves and quit listening to this worthless European continent. Yes my views may be extreme to some of you, but the five paragraphs that I pointed out above, are factual.........
As G.W Nero plays with his toy soldiers in foreign lands, the people at home are felling yet more financial burdens
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20061127/ts_csm/cbonus[/url]
[QUOTE=Furiouz]As G.W Nero plays...[/QUOTE]Well, the trajectory of American power in the world makes for an interesting topic, but let me ask you - if you had a choice between living like Nero, Caligula and Commodus versus living like Augustus, Trajan or Marcus Aurelius who do you think you would pick?
Obviously, it's nice to go to your grave with everyone dwelling on your stoic values and high-minded accomplishments, but I can't imagine the men who read and post things on this forum are a natural fit for that kind of lifestyle. What does it really matter to you, personally, if the United States is in decline or not? I guess people get laid more often when culture is in decline. Nero knew how to throw a party.
Anyway, as an American, I point out, defensively and respectfully, that your analogy with Nero is not the best - since Nero was an emperor many years before the Roman Empire reached it's peak.
This guy got too little affection as kid. He couldn't restrain himself from stupid comments even in Colombia Photo Gallery! I'll keep it short, becasue my time is too valuable to comment on garbage that merely deserves a four plus three letter answer.
[b]1)[/b] An American got his camcorder stolen in Naples, Italy. Wow, it's a big world you know, shit happends. I guess all New Yorkers are genuine assholes becasue somebody from Kazakhstan got pickpocketed there, right? Oh, schoolyard fights must be typical European? You have never been involved in a fight during elementary/high school time? Give me a break. What a whimp...
Tourists from all over the world come to visit Europe, and nobody gives a shit about their nationality. Why you believe that Europeans would pay special attention to Americans, yet spit on them (!), is beyond me. Most likely wishthinking from your side.
[b]2)[/b] From [url]http://www.icc-cpi.int/about.html[/url]
[i]"The International Criminal Court (ICC) is an independent, permanent court that tries persons accused of the most serious crimes of international concern, namely genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. The ICC is based on a treaty, joined by [url=http://www.icc-cpi.int/statesparties.html]103 countries[/url]."[/i]
Hence, ICC is similar to the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal. Or did you object it too? Or does it bother you that there may exist American citizens who have committed crimes against humanity? Well, this should be decided by court of law, not by politicians who may or may not be involved in dirty business. The Bush administration has been trying to undermine the ICC by coarse bribes to dictators in 3rd world countries for either not joining the ICC, or not extradite Americans to the court. Yepp, anything goes, no remorse from an administration whose members possibly could be found guilty of war crimes. You know, the UN has never given its mandate to attack Iraq, so the war is illegitimate, and the suffering of Iraqi people...
If it makes you feel any better, current [url=http://www.icc-cpi.int/organs/presidency.html]presidency[/url] of ICC is held by three judges: One from Canada, one from Ghana, and one from Bolivia. By the way, the Red Cross HQ is located in Switzerland, Europe. Damn, we should stop those bastards from carrying out their mission, because they are surely infiltrated by European Union.
Regarding Microsoft, it has to comply with EU regulations, simple as that. Google for instance, had to bend over in China and obey their regulations. What did you expect, bring regulations from back home?
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]Who do these fuckers think they are?[/quote]Masters of Europe, craddle of modern civilization.
How about that? You like it? You like it?
[b]3)[/b] In several posts you have defended Jews and Israel, mentioning "...Jews and Americans", in aforementioned order. Excuse me, but I'm pretty sure you are just one very bitter and frustrated Jew. There is no shame in being Jewish, no reason to deny your origin.
On behalf of the UK, let me enlighten you, that there would be no Israel to start with, if the UK didn't fucking donate part of its colony, namely Palestine to your people. Do you understand me, you ungrateful....?
Only a lunatic can claim that such a noble act as donation of land to an ethnic group, was nothing else than an evil plan to annihilate Jews, three years after the WWII. And according to your conspiracy theory, the English did it in full cooperation with other Europeans. Should we assume that FD Rooselvelt, and later on Harry Truman, also participated in this conspiracy? Or perhaps they were totally clueless about what was going on?
[b]4)[/b] Uhmm, uttermost schizophrenic, but let me rephrase what [b]MJG Dogs[/b] actually says.
Europe is in favour of gun control and refers to statistics; firearms are dangerous, especially in hands of teethless rednecks and angry teenagers; the national security of the United States of America is at stake; Europe can take advantage of unarmed Americans and possibly attack the country. Ok, this must be yet a conspiracy theory of [b]MJG Dogs[/b].
[i]"[url=http://www.guncite.com/cnngunde.html]The United States has by far the highest rate of gun deaths[/url] -- murders, suicides and accidents -- among the world's 36 richest nations, a government study found. The U.S. rate for gun deaths in 1994 was 14.24 per 100,000 people. Japan had the lowest rate, at .05 per 100,000."[/i]
[i]"Here are gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in the world's 36 richest countries in 1994:
United States 14.24; [u]England and Wales 0.41[/u]; Japan 0.05;"[/i]
As usual [b]MJG Dogs[/b] talks rubbish.
[b]5)[/b][i]"The toehold established at Normandy was vital for the Western Allies (largely the British Commonwealth and the U.S.) to bring the war to the western border of Germany. By this time [u]the Soviet forces had the capacity to crush Germany in Europe on their own[/u], and therefore a western invasion was not strictly required to defeat the German Reich. On D-Day, the Red Army was steadily advancing towards Germany and four-fifths of the German forces were in the East. In France, [u]the Allies faced only about 20% of the German army[/u]."[/i]
Source [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Overlord]here[/url]. Get the facts before you ask for attention!
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]Americans need to understand one thing The Europeans have never liked us and now are not hiding their hatred towards Americans as a whole, we in their minds are one step above the Jews in their minds, and it is about time that Americans wake up to this fact and quit trying to be nice to them.[/quote]Talk for yourself, dude. You are saturated with hate, and nobody is interested nor capable of absorbing amounts of hate you are spreading on this forum. I don't know what has happened to you in the past, but I do feel sorry for you.
you response to the point about the British "donating "part of a previous colony to form Israel speaks volumes. Again, I was born and raised a Roman Catholic. But the line you ungrateful....... gee I wonder what you mean there limey? It is also interesting to note that Iraq and Israel were both formed out of Colonial Britian, interesting parallel. but we know you Brits did a mighty fine job in Iraq, in India and in Africa. Your colonies were harmonious and nobody ever was murdered or tortured, yes no killings at all during the times of Mr.Gandhi.
I am glad to know that you are the masters of Europe, craddle of civilization.
Should we bow to you now master?????
As far as the ICC goes , your right no remorse, no signatures from the Reagan, Bush 41, or Clinton administration either, sorry no remorse, no signature from any American Government, including a future one. It will not happen- get over it.
Kyoto- Nope, sorry
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]Well, the trajectory of American power in the world makes for an interesting topic, but let me ask you - if you had a choice between living like Nero, Caligula and Commodus versus living like Augustus, Trajan or Marcus Aurelius who do you think you would pick?
Obviously, it's nice to go to your grave with everyone dwelling on your stoic values and high-minded accomplishments, but I can't imagine the men who read and post things on this forum are a natural fit for that kind of lifestyle. What does it really matter to you, personally, if the United States is in decline or not? I guess people get laid more often when culture is in decline. Nero knew how to throw a party.
Anyway, as an American, I point out, defensively and respectfully, that your analogy with Nero is not the best - since Nero was an emperor many years before the Roman Empire reached it's peak.[/QUOTE]
Arg, you are right. I keep getting my Emperors mixed up, I should I have read a little before posting. I keep thinking Nero was in the 4th century, but that was when the Empire split, no? To answer your question, Augustus and Pax Romana all the way.
[QUOTE=Leeuwen] On behalf of the UK, let me enlighten you, that there would be no Israel to start with, if the UK didn't fucking donate part of its colony, namely Palestine to your people. [/QUOTE]
This is a point of information for Leeeuwen and MJG regarding the formation of Israel.
The old and defeated Ottoman empire was divided among the Allies after WWI. France got a part that became Lebanon and Syria. Most of the rest was given to the Arab clans that helped the Allies defeat Turkey (the rule of the Ottoman empire). Some of those clans were the Saud clan which was given Suadi Arabia, other emirs were gven Kuwait, Qatar, United Arab Emirates. The Faisal clan got what became Iraq. The Hussein clan got what became Jordan.
An area under dispute was retained by Britain until the dispute could be resolved. That area was called Palestine and Trans-Jordania. The dispute was between Russian Jews who had been emigrating to that area since 1870 or so and wanted it for themselves, and native Arabs who wanted the land as tribute for fighting in the war. After years of terrorism by both Arabs and Jews (the Stern Gang) and after WWII, Britain, weakened from WWII and losing its other colonies, decided to succomb to US pressure and let Jewish refugees settle there in a new country called Israel.
Note that part of this pressure was due to the reluctance to let Jewish refugees settle in the US or in Britain proper. Palestine was never a British colony in the sense that India, the colonial US, Nigeria, Ghana, the West Indies, etc. were.
Hi Dogs - I am sorry for you and I pitty you.
What you write here is for sure is meanwhile a widely accepted opinion in the US.
But - the US Government creats the monsters they want to protect us from.
-Uncle Ho asked first the US after WWII for help before
he was turned down and asked the Russians and China
-The majority of the guns Castro got where from the US.
-Was Pinochet the elected president of Chile or Salvador
Allende?
-The US dealt with Iran in the IRAN/Contra affair
-Whome did you liberate in Afghanistan?
-Why do you not invade Syria? No oil????
-Why do you not invade Yemen - not enough DOPE???
-Why do you not stop the killing in Sierra Leone -
only NIGGERS???
-Why do you finace KABILA - because the French and the
Belgians are still deeply involved in the Kongo???
You know - American politics have fucked up the world considerably - I could continue this list forever - but why?
The shame is that the US is not a realy democracy - how many percent of the population actually register and vote?? 35 - 40 % ? Here in Europe approx. 70 - 80 % go and vote. You knwo that in Brazil you MUST vote or otherwise you do not get a passport???
The AMERICAN MAJORITY is not a majority - it is a minority which is manipulating the majority. - But that is an American problem - did you ever hear that Europe wanted to interfer in this or even dared to comment on this. Certainly not - we have a little bit of decency.
The strange thing is only - we Europeans do not hate Americans - not the citisen. They are the same people as we are - what do we want? Safety, health, luck, work, family, a steady income etc.
The Americans think, that all the world has to accept their values, regulations, laws and politics. Sorry - that is not the case. As home of the "real democracy" you have to accept that other people have other values and standards and if they disagree with you does not mean that they hate you. Here in Europe we are meanwhile at a level where we can afford to have a different view. We do not start a fight about it, we just ignore you if you do not have the politeness and fairness to accept also our views and do not accept that you impose your views on us.
My grand-parents came from 4 different European countries - I have a French family-name, served for several years in two armies in Africa, Asia and the Balkans. I know what war is and that it should be avoided by all means. Unfortunately I have not seen any notion in US Government policy towards that - The US is still carrying a big stick and uses it first and finds later out that it is stuck in deep shit. What freedom did you bring to Vietnam? What freedom and democracy are you bringing to Irak? The US was laughing at Hans Blix - he did not find Arms of Mass Destruction in Irak - that did not suit the US Government, so he was mobbed by your government. Where are these arms now? Was he right? The UN is doing a good job - mainly in Africa - the US is not even contributing to the budget of the UN - yes, the US is pleding every year money, but is not paying. But if there is some corruption in the UN (for sure that does never ever happen in the US Government) than the US is standing up and pointing fingers. The funny thing is - it is not even the US tax-payers money. So - what are you complaing about? I really do not know what the US has against the UN. They are using American Ideas - installing a Internation Court (American Idea - rember Nuernberg 1945/46) proclaiming human rights (American Idea - but only The US Government knows how to apply this rights) etc.
I do not think that we have to discuss Mr. Bush here - you see - we have the prerogative to have a different view on him.
Another funny thing: you mentioned guns. Do you know that the conscripts in Switzerland get their assault rifle to take them home after they leave the service? Did you ever hear that there are mass-murders in Switzerland. Do you know that Austria and Germany are armed to their teeths? The German population is a little bit under 100 million and the German FBI estimates that there are approx. 20 million arms in private hands. The same ratio applies to Austria as well. In the year 2005 whole Germany had 822 gun-related deaths. We do not want your values - where people are killed in drive-by shootings - we do not want to have your values where only the rich ones can afford a good education of their kids.
We do not hate you - but you are so ignorant that it is impossible to convince you and mak you accept that we have views which are different - not detrimental !!!
Therefore the best is - you go your way - we go our way.
Keep on mongering - I hope you can agree at least on that with us.
Carlos Primeros - King of Portugal in exile.
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]you response to the point about the British "donating "part of a previous colony to form Israel speaks volumes. Again, I was born and raised a Roman Catholic. But the line you ungrateful....... gee I wonder what you mean there limey? It is also interesting to note that Iraq and Israel were both formed out of Colonial Britian, interesting parallel. but we know you Brits did a mighty fine job in Iraq, in India and in Africa. Your colonies were harmonious and nobody ever was murdered or tortured, yes no killings at all during the times of Mr.Gandhi.
I am glad to know that you are the masters of Europe, craddle of civilization.
Should we bow to you now master?????
As far as the ICC goes , your right no remorse, no signatures from the Reagan, Bush 41, or Clinton administration either, sorry no remorse, no signature from any American Government, including a future one. It will not happen- get over it.
Kyoto- Nope, sorry[/QUOTE]
Truly a classic. This fucktard writes a fucking manifesto, only to have it shredded by facts and reason.......then responds with some incoherent babbling so he can pretend that he didn't just get shown to be the fool that he is.
So how does it feel to "straighten the world out" with a big declaration of your brilliant insight, only to be shown in no uncertain terms that you are a delusional, hate mongering moronic idiot.
By the way, do you still feel that the US should have helped Serbia commit ethnic genocide against Muslims in the former Yugoslavia.......fucking piece of shit fascist fuck.
B9k
[QUOTE=Bart9000]“First of all, "tax and spend" is right wing propaganda. The debt and deficit shrank quite considerably the last time there was a Democrat in the white house..Only to be blown to historically unprescedented levels under "the current occupant", which has in addition to laying a huge debt (and future heavy taxation to eventually pay for it) on the US dollar...B9k[/QUOTE]Gotta love how libs never let the facts get in the way of an emotional lecture. The federal debt increased every year under Clinton. [url]http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm[/url]
A popular dem myth, Clinton used smoke and mirrors. He transfered all war expenses to off-line budgeting, to create the imaginary good times. The debt never lies.
Libs embarrassingly view the economy in static fashion, as it helps their fictitious points. As a percentage of GDP, last years deficit didn't even make the top ten highest. Bush changed the Clinton shenanigans, and put the war expense online. If you subtracted the war and Katrina, we weren't far from a surplus last year.
The falling dollar: when you combine a booming economy with full employment and miniscule inflation, the interest rates become less attractive. In the last 3 years, the US economy has grown 20 percent, an amount greater than almost every economy in the world. Hedge funds are taking more risk due to increased liquidity, and are chasing the fast money in short term currency fluctations, ie, investing in countries with failing economies, high unemployment, and thus higher interest rates (hello Europe). The new dot com game is being played in manipulated futures markets, with the top 3 being gold, oil, and the euro the last 2 months.
The euro is right where it was 2 years ago, during which time unprecedented fortunes were made in US real estate, as well as smaller US market indexes like the Russell (doubled in the last 3 years). Hell, even the dow was up near 20% in the last 6 months. I'll take a massive net worth increase over a temporarily deflated dollar any day.
I guess libs dream of the glory Carter years, home to a prime interest rate of 21.5%, and 16% inflation...but oh boy that dollar was strong. Not to mention he's the father of terrorism. He booted out the Shah and installed Khomenei, creating the Islam nightmare we live we today. Plus, when he got bored, he back for a pro-dictator tour and negotiated giving nukes to N. Korea, and helped get Chavez elected.
The reason the US debt is out of control is failed liberal entitlement policies. We've spent tens of trillions on SS, Medicare, and Welfare, and currently have an unfunded liability near $20 trillion. The debt on these failed socialist experiments is also a multi-trillion dollar disaster.
Who fed you this little gem? So there was no budget surplus? OK then, what was the fucking corrrupt incompetent piece of shit in the white house GIVING AWAY -retroactively- in the first months of his "presidency"? Surely the poster boy, arch prince, "prodigal son" of conservatism wasn't handing out money that we didn't have. I got a check some where around like June of 2000 (or was that 01). Didn't you get one? If I recall correctly, that would have been for President' Clinton's last year in office
"A popular dem myth, Clinton used smoke and mirrors. He transfered all war expenses to off-line budgeting, to create the imaginary good times. The debt never lies.
Libs embarrassingly view the economy in static fashion, as it helps their fictitious points. As a percentage of GDP, last years deficit didn't even make the top ten highest. Bush changed the Clinton shenanigans, and put the war expense online. If you subtracted the war and Katrina, we weren't far from a surplus last year."
Would you care to document this statement? Kindly source it by someone that isn't a right wing talk facist. For that matter, WHAT WAR EXPENSES would you be referring to? I wasn't paying too much attention at the time, but I don't believe that there was much of a war during the Clinton presidency. We bombed Serbia......had some kind of a little intervention in Haiti........to the extent of my knowledge, neither of those military actions required paying civilian contractors 10,000+ a month (and I don't even want to KNOW what Halliburton is BILLING for people like that).
I find it interesting that you are decrying one "bubble" (currency markets), while cheerleading another (real estate). Do the words "intellectual consistency" mean anything to you? I won't completely discount your theory about how the dollar is getting speculated down as I hold a similar one in the oil market (actually, I suspect collusion, due to the way that the market moved, plunging like a cannonball in a swimming pool, instead of like a "tennis match", indicative of hitting some legitimate demand/support on the way down)
Regarding the currency market, Bush inherited a powderkeg in the form of the current account deficit.
[url]https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html[/url]
In a nutshell, the ramification of this is that there are a whole hell of a lot more people worldwide who want to be "short" dollars (sell them, having received them in exchange for goods and services provided to us), than there are who want to be "long".
While dumbshit and company didn't cause this deficit (the CA), what he did do was with his bullshit war (which I personally believe was motivated by the desire to incapacitate a major supplier of oil, thus driving prices upwards....what a coincidence) was "light the fuse" on the powderkeg, by spending more money that we don't have. Deficits are financed by borrowing (in large part from foreign countries---I understand that China, and I'm not sure who else have large positions) in the form of debt securities-bonds, bills, notes, etc. These are considered in finance to be "risk free" investments due to the department of the treasuries capacity to print greenbacks to meet their contractual obligations. Doing so, has, and in the future will continue increase the number of greenbacks in circulation. What happens when the supply of something is increased? Econ 101...it's value goes down.
Staying with my "powderkeg" metaphor, what damage has been caused? I can't remember the term for it, but there has been something that has been considered to be absolute safety that the dollar will for ever and ever be strong.....that is the retention of greenbacks in the treasuries of foreign countries to as I recall stablize their own currencies. This was the insurance policy, word of god, thing that would never ever ever change......until very recently when it DID change......when some foreign governments (believe I recall China and Saudi Arabia. possibly others....don't hold me to that, and ) began DIVESTING themselves (in trading terms this is "short" dollars) of dollars and buying Euros in their place. Should they continue to do so, we could have some really serious problems on our hands.
"I guess libs dream of the glory Carter years, home to a prime interest rate of 21.5%, and 16% inflation...but oh boy that dollar was strong. Not to mention he's the father of terrorism. He booted out the Shah and installed Khomenei, creating the Islam nightmare we live we today. Plus, when he got bored, he back for a pro-dictator tour and negotiated giving nukes to N. Korea, and helped get Chavez elected."
The economic shit on here is nothing but a fucking (Rush Limbaugh's favorite tactic) strawman logical fallacy. Of course nobody wants 16% inflation. However, you seem to be indicating that a strong dollar isn't imperative to our national well being. Been to Wall Mart recently? Flip over a couple of items there and see where they are made......lots of China, Indonesia, Mexico.....I won't hazard a guess as to the percentage (but again I point to the current account deficit also). Let's run a little scenario here shall we? The dollar collapses, with it's value being cut in half against every other currency. De facto, all of the cost (shit I can't think of the word want-It's retail price minus profit margin) of the imported goods in WallMart (as a microcosm for the rest of the economy)double. Now probably due to price elasticity, WallMart couldn't just double their prices, but there would be an increase (Inflation up), and also a reduction in their profits as the gross margin would be down from the costs they are eating. Now what do corporations generally do when profits are down? Lay off people perhaps? Otherwise decrease expenses, which in turn negatively affects their suppliers...who in turn will also probably decrease expenses, and possibly lay people off..........
"He booted out the Shah and installed Khomenei, creating the Islam nightmare we live we today. "
I will defer comment about that to someone more knowledgable about history than I am.
"Plus, when he got bored, he back for a pro-dictator tour "
Does this line make sense to anyone?
and negotiated giving nukes to N. Korea
Didn't North Korea just DEVELOP their own nukes? I could be mistaken, but knowing relatively few historical facts I'm hazarding a guess that this is a LOOOONNNG stretch of a half truth.
, and helped get Chavez elected."
I understand that Hugo Chaves is very greatly beloved by the poor in his country. I do personally however have an issue with him. He referred to dubya as "The Devil"......myself, I prefer "The fucking ANTICHRIST"
"The reason the US debt is out of control is failed liberal entitlement policies. We've spent tens of trillions on SS, Medicare, and Welfare, and currently have an unfunded liability near $20 trillion. The debt on these failed socialist experiments is also a multi-trillion dollar disaster."
Without having any numbers at hand, I can tell you that Wellfare is a little nothing.....it's something like half to three quarters of ONE PERCENT of the federal budget. Now the others do get to be a decent little chunk. However, you idiots are nuts to think that we don't need these things. Want to get rid of Social Security? As a former financial advisor, I can assure you that most people aren't equipped to successfully invest their way into even a modest retirement (and I can elaborate on this subject if you like).....Medicare-I've got an 86 year old Grandmother who is hospitalized for various ailments a couple times a year. A private insurance policy on her, were one even able to be written would cost I'm sure north of 2K per month. So let me get this straight (making a minor presumption that you toe the party line)....you idiots want to protect the estates of the uber wealthy from taxation (even after a 50% bite, often heirs are more than "set for life".)after they die, but want the poor and middle class to eat up their saving (and de facto their estates) paying for private insurance coverage? Can you spell R E G R E S S I V E?
By the way, want to know what a big honking chunk of the deficit is? Ever hear of "corporate welfare"? The Boston Globe cited a figure 11 years ago (Most probably having a had a congress full of corrupt republicans in power in the interm, it's probably worse now) of 150 Billion dollars worth,. Here is a quote:
Every year, an estimated $150 billion - in the form of direct federal subsidies and tax breaks that specifically benefit businesses - is funneled to American companies. Critics call it ``corporate welfare.''
The $150 billion for corporate subsidies and tax benefits eclipses the annual budget deficit of $130 billion. It's more than the $145 billion paid out annually for the core programs of the social welfare state: Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), student aid, housing, food and nutrition, and all direct public assistance (excluding Social Security and medical care). "
[url]http://www.corporations.org/welfare/globe2.html[/url]
So.......anything else you would like to talk about?
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US Debt has absolutely nothing to do with social policies, its largely American consumerism that has turned the US into the biggest creditor nation in history. Americans are going to soon wake up the fact that they are going to spend their lives paying off debt. Especially the young generation who are neck deep in student loan debt are going to become the first generation who will be worse off than their parents. Its not uncommon for today's young people to spend over 100K to work in a job that might pay 30 to 40k a year. The other issue is that much of our debt is financed by foreigners, oil producing nations and China have been able to effectively lend us money by buying US Treasuries, and now with the dollar falling and an alternative investment vehicle, the Euro, that ability to finance endless debt is going to end. The economic ease which we Americans have been blessed with over the last six decades is not going to last much longer.