FKK Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg - NRW AO Clubs

[QUOTE=Woofiee;1429406]You've missed the point.[/QUOTE]Well what is the point of starting a debate in a thread about AO clubs about whether the practice of AO is wrong or not? It's a bit like someone starting a debate in a thread about swinger's clubs about swinging being wrong as it may threaten the sanctity of marriage.

So what! Some people like to have bareback sex, others like to swing. They have made their lifestyle choices and that is why specialist threads concerning these activities have been allowed in order to help them with their choices.

Your arguments about AO being unacceptable may well have credence however they are best showcased in a thread specifically devoted to discussions about the merits of the AO practice. It is not fair for any member who is interested in finding about NRW AO clubs to read this thread and have to wade through multiple pages of debate about whether the practice of AO is acceptable or not thereby missing excellent field trip reports or discussion about AO clubs which other members have taken a lot of time, effort and thought to write.

[QUOTE=Wanking; 1267503]Woofie I have sent Jackson a pm asking him to remove the Bareback threads from the Partytreff forum, and to move them to our own dedicated Bareback forum called "Germany. Bareback Clubs". I have given Jackson a list of the Bareback Threads for the new forum.

I agree now that its not ideal having the bareback threads in the Partytreff forum, and I hope something will be done about it soon.

Of course a dedicated Bareback Forum will probably draw a few more flames, but since there are so many members here into the bareback scene, we deserve to have our place within ISG to discuss it.

For the record it was I who contacted Jackson a few years ago, to have the partytreff threads moved out of the FKK section and our own Partytreff forum was created, and I believe that was a positive move.

[B]So having a seperate Bareback forum away from both Partytreff and FKK forums is surely the way to go. [/B]

BTW I would envisage the new Bareback Forum to be for both flat rate and single service clubs, so for any clubs that are oriented towards bareback sex.[/QUOTE]This post was posted just over a year ago. The solution seems to be creating a bareback section.

[QUOTE=Wanking; 1267503]Woofie I have sent Jackson a pm asking him to remove the Bareback threads from the Partytreff forum, and to move them to our own dedicated Bareback forum called "Germany. Bareback Clubs". I have given Jackson a list of the Bareback Threads for the new forum.

I agree now that its not ideal having the bareback threads in the Partytreff forum, and I hope something will be done about it soon.

Of course a dedicated Bareback Forum will probably draw a few more flames, but since there are so many members here into the bareback scene, we deserve to have our place within ISG to discuss it.

For the record it was I who contacted Jackson a few years ago, to have the partytreff threads moved out of the FKK section and our own Partytreff forum was created, and I believe that was a positive move.

So having a seperate Bareback forum away from both Partytreff and FKK forums is surely the way to go.

BTW I would envisage the new Bareback Forum to be for both flat rate and single service clubs, so for any clubs that are oriented towards bareback sex.[/QUOTE]As Breadman suggests, I definitely also think that a re-organisation of both the Germany FKK Sauna Clubs and Germany Partytreff Forums are required. I have nothing against guys that practice AO if they want to but all their A0 talk is most definitely damaging to both of the above forums because it gives the impression (to newer ISG Members and Members not based in Germany / Europe) that this minority practice is a major part of the German Sex Scene. Smaller clubs like FKK Arabella, Villa Venus and Sauna Grimburg should definitely not be on the same level of prominence as FKK World, Oase, GoldenTime and Artemis and should be in a sub-forum such as Other FKK Clubs. I really think that we should be writing to "Jackson" (or the forum owners) to try and make this happen. I also think that we should be making more common cause with the Partytreff Guys who would be in agreement with the above mentioned ideas. The Partytreff Forum has gradually died a death because of this over emphasis with regards to AO Clubs and in my oppinion we should endeavour to prevent the same thing from happening in this forum. I would be interested in hearing what regular members of this forum think.

K

[quote=methuzela;1429346]buddy you are so way off the mark it is unbelievable. please try and keep up and stay with the program. i personally don't give a sh1t if these guys want to f#ck upside-down, back-to-front with or without condoms. nor could i give a rats ass let alone be concerned enough to try and convince them to use condoms. i could not care less. and yes i am very well aware that bareback is offered in all clubs. a little more surreptitiously in the bigger and glossier fkk and sauna clubs. what i do think is that the clubs in this particular thread (arabella / venus / grimberg) are third rate clubs, with third rate hookers (who because of age and poor looks offer bareback anal sex because that is the only way they can make a buck). i will leave it for others to decide if the clientele of these clubs are also third rate and cheap. i think to have these pathetic clubs on the same level as fkk palace / oase / world / goldentime / villa veretigo / artemis / paradise / colosseum is an absolute joke and very misleading for any new members who are thinking of visiting and experiencing fkk in germany. i definitely do think that this thread should be deleted or at the very least moved to the pathetic partytreff section. i wish that these guys would stay in their own pen and stay out of this fkk section. maybe if they scrape enough cash together to pay the entrance to a descent club they will realise what they are missing.[/quote]harsh. but perhaps not completely unfair and hard to completely disagree with all of the expressed sentiments.

[quote=woofiee; 1429406]it's like the definition of partytreff is now ao.

if i get kicked off, no matter. i want to belong to a community who can help decide the direction the forums take. promoting ao sex is unwise and pollutes the environment we all play in. you say it's personal choice. i say there's no such thing as the "peeing" part of the pool. it all mixes together.

you don't like being challenged.

your group killed off the partytreff section. i'd much rather you not do that here.[/quote]first: if the definition of partytreff would now be ao, then i would be extremely happy because i wouldn't have to drive over an hour and a half for ao parties.

second: i didn't suggest that you should get kicked off! that was aimed at the regular member who spread spite and venom only here in two of his only 16 overall posts.

third: if you want to help decide which direction the forum takes, then do so within the boundaries of the posting guidelines.

fourth: promoting ao sex is not unwise, it's the natural way to have sex and doesn't pollute anything. as for the "peeing part of the pool": i wish you would go after the cigarette smokers in most places with the same zeal.

fifth: it's not about being challenged. it's about being attaced frequently every few months for no longer obeying the stupid condom propaganda. man, you must really think this whole country is diseased.

sixth: it's not "my group". there were ao-threads in the partytreff forum long before i signed up to isg. and if no one writes in the other threads much anymore, maybe that has to do with not many people going there anymore? because i stopped going to partytreffs, as well as swingerclubs because of the lousy quality i got there, bad rubberfucking or even no fucking at all.

[quote=methuzela;1429346] i could not care less.[/quote]then why don't you just shut up!
it's amazing how a regular member with only (by now) 18 posts tries to command all others what to do and not to do. if you don't like the forum as it is, then leave. i sincerely hope jackson follows my advice and kicks you out!
in the meantime i demand that you abide by the forum's rules and posting guidelines!
[quote=kommodore;1429478] ao clubs and in my oppinion we should endeavour to prevent the same thing from happening in this forum. i would be interested in hearing what regular members of this forum think. [/quote]i would welcome a seperate bareback-only thread, i already suggested it to jackson too. applause to breadman here for digging up wanking's post about the request of a bareback forum; that is the post that i have been referring to as well. (now i know how to find it again, thanks.)

and i don't think you don't have to worry about ao ruining this forum. i think ao happens more at flatrate venues or apartments and private places than in fkks and compared to the partytreff forum and the regular germany forum, this fkk forum here is huge. so i don't think 3 threads (dvr, dietzenbach and this one here; where's the fkk alina thread?) will kill this forum.

There is now a definite need to reorganise the Germany FKK Section and Partytreff Section. A0 Style Bareback clubs should be allowed their own section. Until this happens, for information purposes, I think that from time to time different Senior Members of this forum should post the following message (please see below) or a similar message in this section (i.e. FKK Arabella, Villa Venus and Sauna Grimberg Section). This way the clientele of these clubs can post away all they desire but new visitors to this section will soon realise that these clubs are not the norm and do not represent a true FKK experience. Please let me know if you think this message can be improved upon. Please pm me if you wish. Please also copy the message below and post said message again in this forum from time to time. Again I wish to reiterate that I do not have anything against those who wish to practice bareback sex, nor have I any intention of being offensive but I do think that it is important that new members are not confused about the club choices which are on offer in this forum.

[highlight][b]A message from some Germany FKK Senior Members to all who are new to the Germany – FKK Clubs Section of the International Sex Guide. [/b] [/highlight]

[b]WARNING[/b]: Please note that the clubs discussed in this section (i.e. FKK Arabella, Villa Venus and Sauna Grimberg) are very small shabby clubs with poor facilities which cater for a particular group of primarily German mongers who wish to practice bareback (A0) sex. The women working in these clubs are primarily of Romanian / Bulgarian origin with poor English language skills and are very often older and much less attractive than would be the norm in the larger FKK establishments. If A0 style sex is what you are after; well then you are definitely in the right place but if you are looking for a more up-market FKK experience with model type women, please refer to the following club list:

[s]Palace, Oase, Mainhatten, Sharks, World, Artemis, GoldenTime, Living Room, Acapulco, Samya, Parksauna Rezidenz, Magnum, Paradise, Colosseum, Villa Vertigo, Atmos and Bernds. [/s]

Sorry, but you can't do that. I don't know the women at either of those clubs, nor do I know how they look, nor do I know about the quality of the places.

But if you badmouth them like that on an open forum and ask to frequently repeat that by posting it over and over again with no comments on anything that you have recently experienced yourself, then that's slander! So they might get the police involved if you start a campaign like that!

May I remind everyone that they run a legitimate and licenced business?

If anyone dares to copy this remark I will call all three clubs myself and point them towards what is said about them in this thread! Then you can explain to the states attorney how you justify your slander in the name of rubber-fucking!

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1429575]Sorry, but you can't do that.[/QUOTE]I just did.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1429575]If anyone dares to copy this remark I will call all three clubs myself and point them towards what is said about them in this thread! Then you can explain to the states attorney how you justify your slander in the name of rubber-fucking![/QUOTE]Sounds to me that you are a bit of a trouble maker Mr. SwingerLover. This has nothing to do with bareback sex but rather on the poor standard of these clubs and is posted for infromation purposes for any new member. You will find that the information posted is indeed very accurate.

Most of the guys on this forum are based abroad (UK, USA & Canada) I don't think that the States Attorney is going to fly across the seas over such a trivial issue. As for me you can send him my telephone number.

[QUOTE=Kommodore; 1429577]Sounds to me that you are a bit of a trouble maker Mr. SwingerLover.

Most of the guys on this forum are based abroad (UK, USA & Canada) I don't think that the States Attorney is going to fly across the seas over such a trivial issue. As for me you can send him my telephone number.[/QUOTE]It is YOU who is the troublemaker; making trouble for those clubs with no foundation whatsoever.

As for the States attorney: Well if you're out of his reach, then he will propably go after the forum. Which has it's server in Germany. So I guess it's about time that Jackson shuts you guys up for good!

[QUOTE=SwingerLover; 1429580]It is YOU who is the troublemaker; making trouble for those clubs with no foundation whatsoever.

As for the States attorney: Well if you're out of his reach, then he will propably go after the forum. Which has it's server in Germany. So I guess it's about time that Jackson shuts you guys up for good![/QUOTE]I am not making trouble for these clubs. I am just stating facts. The only reason you would go to these clubs is for bareback sex. The facilities are poor and the hookers are of a poor class indeed. At the very least not at the same level as the standard FKK girl. I am just trying to help new members understand that there is a major difference between these clubs and the Big Clubs in Hessen, NRW, Bavaria, Berlin (also Switzerland and Austria).

[QUOTE=Kommodore; 1429570]There is now a definite need to reorganise the Germany FKK Section and Partytreff Section. A0 Style Bareback clubs should be allowed their own section. Until this happens, for information purposes, I think that from time to time different Senior Members of this forum should post the following message (please see below) or a similar message in this section (I. E. FKK Arabella, Villa Venus and Sauna Grimberg Section). This way the clientele of these clubs can post away all they desire but new visitors to this section will soon realise that these clubs are not the norm and do not represent a true FKK experience. Please let me know if you think this message can be improved upon. Please pm me if you wish. Please also copy the message below and post said message again in this forum from time to time. Again I wish to reiterate that I do not have anything against those who wish to practice bareback sex, nor have I any intention of being offensive but I do think that it is important that new members are not confused about the club choices which are on offer in this forum.

[highlight][b]A message from some Germany FKK Senior Members to all who are new to the Germany – FKK Clubs Section of the International Sex Guide. [/b] [/highlight]

[b]WARNING[/b]: Please note that the clubs discussed in this section (I. E. FKK Arabella, Villa Venus and Sauna Grimberg) are very small shabby clubs with poor facilities which cater for a particular group of primarily German mongers who wish to practice bareback (A0) sex. The women working in these clubs are primarily of Romanian / Bulgarian origin with poor English language skills and are very often older and much less attractive than would be the norm in the larger FKK establishments. If A0 style sex is what you are after; well then you are definitely in the right place but if you are looking for a more up-market FKK experience with model type women, please refer to the following club list:

[s]Palace, Oase, Mainhatten, Sharks, World, Artemis, GoldenTime, Living Room, Acapulco, Samya, Parksauna Rezidenz, Magnum, Paradise, Colosseum, Villa Vertigo, Atmos and Bernds. [/s][/QUOTE]Agree with this 100%. I do not have anything against guys who want to visit bareback clubs and I do not think that this message is in any way offensive to them. You might consider taking out the word "shabby" as it is a little bit over the top although in fairness not all that far from the mark. Happy to post this message from time to time. New or visiting members need to be directed to the bigger FKK and Sauna Clubs. This message does not hinder anyone from posting reports/information in this particular section but does direct new or visiting members to the bigger establishments if they are not looking for bareback sex.

Also happy to post this message from time to time. Agree that the word "shabby" should be removed.

CD

[QUOTE=Kommodore; 1429570]but if you are looking for a more up-market FKK experience with model type women, please refer to the following club list:

[s]Palace, Oase, Mainhatten, Sharks, World, Artemis, GoldenTime, Living Room, Acapulco, Samya, Parksauna Rezidenz, Magnum, Paradise, Colosseum, Villa Vertigo, Atmos and Bernds. [/s][/QUOTE]Parksauna Rezidenz? When have you been there last time? Is anything improved there? The worst line-up I ever seen in my FKK practice was in PSR.

[QUOTE=Ossian;1429597]You might consider taking out the word "shabby" as it is a little bit over the top although in fairness not all that far from the mark.[/QUOTE]I am happy and content to remove the word "shabby".

[QUOTE=Jymondor;1429608]Parksauna Rezidenz? When have you been there last time? Is anything improved there? The worst line-up I ever seen in my FKK practice was in PSR.[/QUOTE]If you disagree that Parksauna Residenz should be part of this list please feel free to remove if you are posting this message. Personally I think it should be included.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;1429628]If you disagree that Parksauna Residenz should be part of this list please feel free to remove if you are posting this message. Personally I think it should be included.[/QUOTE]No, I just wondering if any improvement there. Such a great facility and so depressive lineup.