Kyiv

It's quite possible to find both reasonable and high-quality hotels in every small city of Ukraine.You can find all the info on www.hotelsukraine.com including Uman and Vinnitsa.
www.travel.kyiv.org is a very interesting site,displaying the detailed maps and photos of every city.But don't surf through this site for too long,you might end up getting on the first plane to Ukraine!?!

Vegamars,

Thanks for the info. I realized that I rushed a bit to post that question. A google search gives a list of hotels in both cities. But daily rates in the Internet were in the $ 50-70 range, which is way too expensive. I guess the real rates should be much cheaper...

This question will be a rather disrespecful penetration into your privacy, and please simply ignore if you don't wanna answer. Your mongering experience covers not only Ukraine and Russia, but also Turkey, Cyprus etc. What do you do to earn your living? How can you afford so much travelling in terms of time? The reason why I am asking is that I am hoping to work at some point in Eastern Europa. Therefore, it is interesting to hear experiences of people who are already doing this.

Thanks.

I'm in the export-import business all around Eastern Europe and I travel quite often for business though 99% of the time is for leisure.It's rather interesting and profitable to do business in all these countries if you know how to play the cards.Now,my new interest is for fashion and modelling business and by no doubt the region is a heaven for this purpose.
Hope to be in Kiev again next week,can't wait any longer!

Not much of action in Uman for preorganized sex,but rather a chance of great time right on the street for natural action!
If you only wanna be involved with pros and semipros,you could try hotel bars and receptions for contact.You can also get in touch with quite a no of semipros in all cities including Uman via www.loveme.com

OK, FYI, I will be in UE for 18 days (sadly from 24 of Dec to 10 of Jan.... too much festivities....).

I will cover Zaporhozie, Nikolaev, Odessa and/or Izmail and, finally, 8 days in Kiev.

First time I will be there, so any new info are appreciated
More.... if any of you will be there at the same time, I will happily share a beer or a dinner. Let me know.

Thanks for all the info everyone has offered with regards to Kiev. I have now been in the country for 8 days and feel that it was about time I contributed to the forum.

You MUST buy a mobile phone chip in the country, get your self a Kievstar one, you will pay 99hyr ($17). It makes life much easier, and as every girl you meet will have a cell phone, it is something you are expected to have with you.

There is a really great P4P scene here, there are escorts, girls in clubs, and if your are into it, I believe there is a good street scene.

The Best and most important place to visit is the River Palace. If you ask any taxi driver to take you there, it will not be a problem. Under no circumstances pay more than 20HYR from anywhere in Kiev. Remember in the Ukraine a high school teacher earns 300hyr ($150) per month. So by giving a cab driver 20hyr you are giving him what a teacher earns in a day! This is more than enough. River Palace in my opinion is the best place of its type anywhere. Spoke to a few guys there who had experienced NighFlite in Moscow and they believed river palace was a lot better. I don't see how you can beat it. You will pay depending on how attractive and smart you are between, between $50 and $150 for between 2 hours and all night. In order to obtain the best price A) do not start negotiating before 1:30am B) be nice, be charming, make the girls laugh, these are not hookers in the western sense of the word, a lot of them are just students trying to make ends meet C) Don't negotiate, let the girl bring the subject of money up, and just smile and laugh until you get the price you are happy with D) don't act cheep, buy them drinks give them cigarettes, remember you can have fun in this place just chatting to the girls E) once you have established a price that you believe is the lowest price you can get from the girls, then try and get the extras thrown in i.e. for the night instead of 2 hours, BBBJ, anf DFK.

There are different types of girls at the club, there are the real pro's who will do anything for you like BBS and anal but I don't bother with these girls. I go for the students, who treat you like a boyfriend, but as they have a brain will insist on a condom. I treat these girls really well so that ever time I go to visit the river palace the girls make real fuss of me, so that A) I get a better service, and B) a much better price.

to be continued........

(there is a lot more to come plus pictures!)

One little hint of reminder,River Palace is the unique place and you cannot compare it to anywhere else,especially places like Night Flight in Moscow where everything is based on pure mechanical monetary foundations.If you're patient enough you can get away without paying at all! Watch out the stunning beauties by the dance floor and you'll notice the slight difference of the girls who're really there for having great fun and actually looking for the company of westerners.The key word for Ukraine is complete relaxation and acting spontaneously all the time and you'll never know what's gonna show up.If you're anxious or willing to make plans beforehand,Ukraine is definitely not the appropriate place for you and you should head for Czech Republic,Hungary,Poland or Russia.I never know what I'll do or even where I'll stay till I'm actually there!I mean maybe it doesn't bother most guys to pay $100-150 in River Palace,but I like challenges and give it a hard try to force it right through the end in the natural way!

Just asking if River Palace is a bar and restaurant boat on the dock? Was there in 1999 with a date, if it is the same place, and thought the food was expensive.

Vegamars and other's I am in the process of determining where I am going to take a true mongering adventure. I have set up a fund of about 18K for the adventure. I would like to hear from you and anyone else about what countries or places are best and why. (I hope this was an ok place to post this)

THE RAT

If you are prepared to spend that sort of money in Kiev, paid sex is not something to bother with. Spend that money on going out with girls, and you will have a different girl in your bed everday for 6 months.

The ideal place for natural relations is the triangular area between Chisinau,Minsk and Kiev and you don't have to spend anything other than accomodation,transportation(It's quite cheap and you can easily bargain to $100 for a BMW taxi between any of these three cities!!) and meals.It would be a great adventure to visit Tiraspol on the way with its unique beauties,the capital of Prinistrovya located between Moldova and Ukraine.The common characteristic of all these places is not only the no of women that constitute 60% of the population but also the amazing high proportion of the model-type chicks uncomparably higher than any other country in Europe or the world.
Regarding paid sex,the best place in terms of cheapness together with high quality is Lefkose and Girne in Northern Cyprus with all the nighclubs full of very young girls from Belarus,Ukraine,Moldova and Tiraspol for a max. of $100 for the night!

River Palace is boat on the Dnieper, the river that runs through the centre of the Kyiv. You can get there for 20hyr max from anywhere in Kiev. If you are in the middle of the city, if you pay more than 10hyr you are either drunk or lazy. I barter with the drivers out of principle, plus it also keeps the prices low for other expats and tourists!

The River Palace consists of a pub, which has live music on every night and serves food, a casino, a restaurant and the nightclub. The nightclub is mainly where the girls work, although some do wonder elsewhere. The nightclub is a square room well decorated about 15m by 10m. It has a large bar, where you can buy your drinks from, but also has waitress service at the tables if you prefer.

The girls dance on the dance floor, which is located in the middle of the room, it is surrounded by mirrors, in front of which the girls tend to dance. To pick up a girl you can either start dancing or just wave. I tended to spend most of my evenings by the bar just flirting with as many as the girls as possible. Remember if you are fun and don't act to cheap you can get these girls for the night for practically nothing.

The other main attraction in Kiev is Restown. Avoid this place like the plague! Its a bit out of town, something like a 20 minute taxi ride, which will cost you between 20 and 40 hyr depending on your negotiation skills. When you get there its something like 20hyr admission ($3 or £2).

The building itself is fantastic, it has a casino, a snooker hall, and a strip bar. The drinks are relatively cheap, somthing like 20hyr, and you can watch the girl’s strip down to their panties without having to tip anything. If you interested in some action I think you pay $50 for 60 minutes. The girls look as though they are in the main between 23 and 30, but do keep them selves in shape. My criticism of the place is that it’s just not fun. At other bars and clubs the woman always look happy, at this place they look like they are being forced to work.

So we left after about 30 minutes. Incidentally a couple of the waitresses at this place were stunning, far better than any of the working girls.

The escort services all charge $100 for two hours. I did try calling all the different services listed in Whatson, and the price was the same The only time I used this service the girl turned up after 30 minutes, and was absolutely stunning. (See Irina in pictures section). She ended up staying the night for no extra charge, and wouldn’t let me sleep at all.

I any of you guys have any further questions about Kiev, just send us a message, I may also be able to help with a guide or telephone numbers of some of the better escorts out there.

Why not??!!??
You've only learned a very small glimpse of what I've experienced so far!
We're just starting guys!!

I've been to many cities in the world including the States, France,Italy,Hungary,Russia,Greece,Croatia,Czech Republic,Poland,etc and I can tell you the answer is Kiev, Minsk and Tiraspol by no doubt!!!

VEGAMARS, thanks for the useful insights on Kiev, Minsk and Tiraspol? If you had to pick one which would you pick?