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Hello guys. I don't speak any Bahasa and need a single translation:
"I DO NOT want a girl with a shaved beaver. Give me an UNSHAVED girl."
Could you send the response to me via PM as well as posting the answer in this forum? (I notice that looking at these astoundingly attractive women, too many of them have shaved snatch for my comfort. I'd hate to get one home and find that she was bald down there.)
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"I DO NOT want a girl with a shaved beaver. Give me an UNSHAVED girl."
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Just keep it short and say: "Saya mau cewek dengan banyak jembut".
Saya mau: I want
cewek: a girl
dengan: with
banyak: a lot of
jembut: pubic hair.
Skip "banyak" if you want normal growth.
Since the hairgrowth of Indonesian people is not like that of e.g. westerners, in common you will get a "goatee".
[QUOTE=Remus]Condoms is freely sold in Indonesia. Be it at pharmacy, dept. store, street stalls.
From beginning condoms are being sold as one of birth control tools. Recently condom producer also make inersting advertisements on TV, on how condom might save your life
Cost of condoms I think is around IDR 15K (less than USD 2) for pack of 3.
There are quite a lot of condom brands sold here (some are local brands) - but prominent brand like durex are readily available.
The educated part (mid class above) of male population mostly use condoms when they engage in commercial sex. Most female commercial sex workers from medium to high class insist on condoms for sexual intercourse, but not for BJ as majority of them will provide BBBJ.
This is less so in the lower part of society both male patron and female commercial sex workers.
Interstingly, for casual sex (non commercial) condoms sometime is not used. I once engage in a frank discussion with a lady friend, not a commercial sex worker, who says that she is a bit offended when her one night stand partner pull up a condom before sexual intercourse. She felt as if she is being looked upon as a commercial sex worker. At that time I told her that her partner is being careful for both himself and her. By using a condom, he protect her from possible disease he may carry (although more likely he tried to protect himself from possible unwanted pregnancy and disease, rather than thinking about his partner). I'm not sure if I get into her with that explanation.
On the male side, there is this huge believe that condoms prevent (or at least reduce) you from actually feeling the ultimate pleaseure from sex. Hence if they engange in a sexual intercourse in non commercial sex, they sometime do not use condoms.
I think I read somewhere in the newspaper that HIV cases related to drugs is raising more steeply than those from sex (both homo and heterosexual)
I don't have the stats number for all the above things, as I'm not a researcher, but this is the view I get from the street level.
Cheers
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[QUOTE=Petemcc]Fellahs, some info please. As well as being a monger, I am doing a degree in nursing in Oz, and a subject I have to do is called Health Sociology. Basically a lot of this stuff is about how governments can influence their citizens' health.
I am particularly interested in condom useage in the non-western world, and I have posted this question on another few Asian threads.
I want to know about the availability of quality, proper sized condoms in Indonesia, and their price.
I saw recently on a news report that some new party in Indonesia is trying to pass the so-called anti pornography law which means clampdowns on prostitutes.
That aside, does the government allow the unrestricted sale of condoms, not only for foreign tourists, but their own population?
Any comments would be welcome - and before 18 Oct please.
Ta
Pete[/QUOTE]
Kudos to Remus for his excellent reply to Petemcc's post. Here are a few additional comments:
- if you are arriving in Jakarta on 18th October, you'll find things a bit slow as it is still the fasting month of Ramadan, when the massage parlors will be closed and there will be less girls available for sex, especially during daylight hours. Ramadan ends with a big "Eid" celebration/feast day on 24 October, then the MPs will open up again and the scene will be back to normal.
- Remus discussed the issue of AIDS. The number of AIDS cases in Indonesia is very low, most likely because of under-reporting, but is growing fairly quickly. IMHO a monger would have to be nuts to have unprotected vaginal sex or anal sex with any commercial sex worker, both in Indonesia and in every other country in the world.
- regarding "the availability of quality, proper sized condoms," I had to smile as "proper sized" depends on the gentleman in question, of course. But generally speaking, the condoms on sale here are for the average-sized Indonesian male and may be too small for a well-endowed Caucasian or African male.
At the risk of getting people mad at me, USAID and other foreign donors in the past have distributed condoms in three sizes: size 3 (smallest) for Asian countries, size 2 (medium) for Latin American countries and size 1 (largest) for Sub-Saharan Africa.
- Remus does make an excellent point that you can use in your research - the health behavior of girls working in the mid-level and upper-level brothels versus the girls working in the lower end. Another angle would be to compare the girls' ages and their use of condoms.
[QUOTE=Clandestine782]"I DO NOT want a girl with a shaved beaver. Give me an UNSHAVED girl."[/QUOTE]Where do you do your mongering? Most Indonesian girls are unshaven! Go to the kota joints, not one girl out of ten there has a shaven pussy.
Anyway, here is phrase that leaves no doubt as to what you're looking for : "saya mau cewek yang memeknya tidak dicukur, mau yang masih ada bulu"
Apart from Hotels/Rates, itinerary, what-you-see, is-what-you-get, etc., etc., perhaps this additional information that I offer may have appeared here before (and if so, Admin please remove my post in order to prevent repetitiveness at your excellent site – thank you.)
For those mongers who both experienced or new to the Indonesian scene, what I would like to share with you are a few pointers that you might consider useful during your fantasy trips to Indonesia.
1. Regarding SECURITY.
If you can avoid it please do not take rides on “ojeks” (term used there for their motorcycle public mode of transport.) You are left at the whim and fancies of the motor rider. There have been many a story of visitors being waylaid by these “ojeks” who literally take the unknowing visitor for a ride which could even mean being robbed.
Unless you already have made prearrival arrangements and if you are being hassled at the arrival port by taxi drivers, know-all guides, hotel marketers, etc., do not engage yourself in any conversation with them, do not show that you are being agitated and do not give the appearance that you are trying to understand what is being said. Any one of these responses is what they are seeking for. Instead, politely and in a determined voice tell them that “Dodi Bocor” is meeting you and make your way out. (read notes below regarding “Dodi Bocor”.)
When about and around town, avoid eye to eye contact unless it is absolutely necessary. It will not start a fight. It will encourage the local to start his con game.
Never leave anything precious behind in your hotel room if you go out even for a short meal. Precious would include your cellphone, camera, eye shades, cigarette lighter, electric toothbrush, etc., Tough deal living in these lower star rated hotels.
Hide these items under the bed mattress or any other “safer” area in the hotel room.
2. Regarding living outside a Hotel
For those who may be fortunate and accept accommodation invites at the home an already known Indonesian friend or a new Indonesian acquaintance, please make sure that your intent to reside in the house is reported to the Police. There is a small fee that has to be paid (25K Rupiah) for the permit. It is one permit for duration of residence.
If one is caught living outside a Hotel and without this Police permit, one could find oneself in the most mind boggling situation as trumped up accusations by the Police could lead to being jailed and having to pay 15KK yes million Rupiah to get back home.
There is also a requirement that after receiving the Police permit one has to make a photocopy of this permit and it is to be given to the person in charge of the residents in the housing estate. He is called Pak R.T.
3. Moving around town and sight-seeing trips
Be very aware of what you are carrying on yourself. Remember this and remember it always : You are always being watched.
I have saved myself many times by using this ruse when I walk in their towns. Every now and then, I made a U-turn and head back as though I missed out seeing something. This way you will be able to either notice that you are being followed or throw the stalker off his tracks. Sometimes, I cross the road to walk on the other side of the street.
Different strokes for different folks – as I did not imagine that even in Central Jakarta I would meet unfriendly and cold stares from the locals when I walked alongside with my East Javanese girl. If that would not straighten up my back, it was even more incredulous with the kind of head turns and looks that we received while snacking at the Coffee House at Ibis Hotel in West Jakarta. Not that she is a ravishing beauty and I a Brad Pit.
Be more careful about using overhead bridges at dusk. Snatch thieves work in a band and there is nothing that one can do if being apprehended while being at the center of the overhead bridge.
4. Is there anything brighter?
While items 1 to 3 might sound dour, is there anything bright to add?
Yes.
If you are a regular visitor or a newbie, bring along lots of small change with you. Denominations of 5K and 10K Rupiah. Handing out “upah” or money gift is something that would brighten up local faces and feelings.
One does not have to be Santa Claus. Use personal judgement and when offering the “upah” please add that it is for him to buy some cigarettes or to have coffee.
Summary
Indonesians and I mean Indonesians in general, do not know whether they are coming or going with their lives. It is a depressing condition. There are times when I believe that they are very resilient people and there are times when I think that they are simply fatalists in their mindset.
However, most of them are warm and friendly (but be on your guard too). Unless you have had the awful experience for example in arriving in places like Dumai, an East Sumatran port which became important because of CALTEX presence, most of Indonesia is still full of virgin forests, natural beauty and bounteous fulfillment if you get what I mean.
Note :
Dodi – a familiar male name in Indonesia.
Bocor – a term used by Indonesians for someone who is regarded a maverick.
You could use any other male name but add the word “Bocor” to it. Any Indonesian who hears of a name going by “…….. Bocor” would take heed and not persist.
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After reading this, if the reader feels that what I am about to relate is offensive, perhaps bordering on being racist, may I humbly offer my apology. But write I wish because after having traveled to several places internationally, there is this issue why the darker skin women tend to be less inhibited towards indulgence in sex.
I recall having had a conversation with a Regional Director (who is an Indian married lady) at one of the leading Semiconductor factories. She had this to say about the insatiable sex urge of the female operators. The Semiconductor factory was located in a multi racial country. She said that cases of female operators being involved in sex from all the four factories located at various locations in the country showed a prominent incidence amongst the dark skin female factory workers.
Dark skin would mean anything from brown tan to black.
Now, pitting this remark from that Regional Director against the Indonesian backdrop, I often wondered why the Indonesian girls manifested the same “virtues”.
I could even extend it to other parts of the world where there are dark skin populations but I shall keep it to the Indonesian scenario.
Over the course of my many forays around Indonesia, I notice that apart from a young girl’s rebelliousness to get out of parental control, lack of food and the oft heard excuse that jobs are hard to come by, Indonesian girls are out there, everywhere and easy.
What makes it even easier is that their culture helps along.
Most of these Indonesian girls are from the villages. It is amazing how some of these freelance girls have found themselves at locations in Indonesia which is at the other end of the Archipelago, some thousands of miles away. One reckons how brave and definitely admirable pathfinders.
Well, back to the villages. The village life is such that it is nothing out of the ordinary for young boys and girls to be seen playing stark naked. For example, this can be seen even today while the young boys and girls are rafting on a nearby river or simply having some fun in the water. They are all stark and comfortably naked. They even wave to passers-by!
They grow up seeing the dogs and cats and fowls doing it in the heat. Hence, they consider sex as nothing more profound than breathing. It is a natural consequence.
Indonesia being predominantly of Islam faith, there is the family celebration after each male child has reached the age and had the act of circumcision performed. Hence, the penile knowledge is universal amongst the entire female village-hood. Nothing amiss as it would be for those who live in the modern world where such an act would be shared in hushed whispers, even some sniggering.
Also, particularly in Java and perhaps in other areas of Indonesia, it is a common practice amongst mothers and the female elders to wean their female child in things feminine for the purpose of being a good female partner to the future wedded husband.
Such practices involve massaging the breast of the girl at puberty. It also includes wrapping a long piece of cloth around the waist of the young girl to keep her body contour in proper geometrical shape that would defy the Coke bottle. They would also encourage their female child to eat certain plant leaves that destroy body odour and the smell of decayed fish at their genitals.
I am sure that there are other reasons of which I have not yet come to know that supports the total un inhibition of Indonesian girls towards sex in all its forms. Please add to this post if there are any that is interesting and new.
Many years ago I was told over cafeteria break that the (I shall not describe the race) girls had this stupendous ability to seize the penis in their vaginal canal such that the man would be left totally limp in the penis after the girl engages this penile-defying act.
Yes, you guessed it right. At that time I thought that this grandmother’s baloney and was good material for some fairy tale sex book.
No sir, many years later, I found out that it is true.
With this Indonesian girl, no matter how rigid my penis was during the intercourse, she would clasps me with both her arms and I would notice her stiffen her thighs slightly and there she goes for about a minute in ecstacy. My penis would start to go limp right inside her vagina and it is over. I hate it when she does that before I shoot my load.
I have asked her many times how she does that. Till today she has not revealed to me what is it that she does to make my penis go sexually impotent during the act. Perhaps it is some secret that she learned from her mother.
I found a way to stop her from shooting my load before she does into that inexplicable penile defying act. During the act, I whisper to her “Jangan hisap ya, tunggu abang datang dulu” which means “Don’t suck okay, wait till I come first”.
Any benefits gained for the man during this kind of act by the girl? Unfortunately none except the pleasure in knowing that the girl was consumed in sexual fulfillment.
So, with this experience and many memorable others, I believe that it is the dark skin girls who get the most of what makes the world go round.
My apology in that I could not put all my pointers together at one sitting.
Maybe best that I did not because it would have made it too long.
So here are some more to add.
1. If you do any shopping:
Haggle the price down. This would not apply if your shopping is done at Malls. Price haggling is a must or you will be fleeced to your own disadvantage.
Always count the pieces that is placed in the carrying bag that the Vendor hands over to you. Failing to do this and you could find yourself sold short and how do you go back to prove your point?
If your purchase is substantial and hence the price exceeds 1KK Rupiah, it is not considered miserly to ask for some small item as a freebie AFTER the purchase is closed.
Fruit lovers – always point to the rear end of the stack for your choice of fruits to be packed. Avoid selecting the fruits that are conveniently placed in front by the Vendor.
Again remember to count what is placed in the carrying bag.
2. Money here today, gone...
Consider your money gone forever in the event if an Indonesian friend makes a request to borrow money from you.
The word “pinjam” or borrow is used in euphemistic terms and actually means give in their local mindset.
Hence, unless you are willing to forever part with the amount requested as a loan, do not feel that you have been cheated by a local friend.
3. Nothing comes from nothing.
Remember the aforementioned words that is part of the lyrics of a song from the movie, The Sound of Music?
What appears to be overwhelming warm hospitality from the locals is not without an ulterior motive. There is a subtle catch somewhere in their invitation. Be prepared for something that is expected from you after all their sob story and pity-party is over.
4. Eating outside is...
Same problem as I experienced while living in Thailand. Indonesia too practices a two tier pricing system. The difference between Indonesia and Thailand is that the Indonesians are adept artists.
Ask for the bill at an outside eatery and the waiter arrives with his scratch pad and he wildly jots down items and prices for food consumed. Briskly totals the amount and on many occasions I found that the charge is double for the same substance consumed by their own nationals.
Even if you have an Indonesian friend with you at the same meal does not make any impact.
Solution : Best to eat out at KFC, McDonalds, A&W and other notable fastfood outlets.
5. Every face tells a story...
If this is not representative for the girls in other parts of Indonesia, I will retract having said this.
While the price of the girl may be a moot issue amongst their eager customers, consider this harsh fact.
For example, I shall take 200K Rupiah as the girl’s sex-for-hire price. The girl has to return 140K Rupiah to the pimp, another 20K tip to the Hotel Guard or “Satpam” as they are called, 5K to 10K for their return transport. Which leaves them with anywhere between 35K to 40K as being their net hard earned money.
The mathematics would vary from joint to joint and from location to location but the system holds regardless of the differences.
In some cases, even that 35K to 40K is withheld by the organization that keeps them because it the organization pays for their lodging, food and medical services.
It is only after enslaving for a couple of years that the girl gets a chance to make it back to their home. That is the time that the full accounting is done and whatever is the balance after all the expenditure is settled, that is the amount that the girl receives as her take-home pay.
So for all the humpin’ and pumpin’ and the three holes achievement, the girls get by for a mere 35K to 40K Rupiah (4 to 5 USD) with perhaps a few extras that the girl is often just too tired to ask through benumbed lack of hope).
One can earn a Masters degree in Sociology by writing a thesis about this.
6. When travelling...
You would never fail to meet Indonesians during your travel that start to get chatty with you.
Without trying to snub the uninvited chat, make yourself a man of very few words and if possible get yourself occupied with something, even sleep works.
Such chats would begin with everything about you and possibly end with everything nice about your bracelet, your wrist watch, your camcorder, your camera and even your shoes.
Before you reach your destination, you might alight finding that you were sweet talked into parting with some item as a nice fond souvenir of your travel with the Indonesian.
The Indonesians in general are brazen cadgers and are adept in relieving visitors off their possessions.
If more issues come to my reminiscing, I shall share them here with you.
Till then,
Cheers
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I am sure that most visitors to Indonesia have not failed to express their incredulity about the rampant corruption that exists in Indonesia.
Perhaps some have even had the ignominy in being victims to corrupt Immigration, Customs or Police officials when entering Indonesia or during their stay in the country.
To try to understand the impasse that stunts the economic well being of Indonesia is somewhat similar to finding the proverbial needle in a haystack.
As did this Indonesian lawyer say to me, “I am proud of my country but I am ashamed that I am an Indonesian. For this country to ever heal itself from corruption, it would mean having to drop an atom bomb to kill the entire generation of Indonesian adults but allow the children to escape death. Then start Indonesia from scratch with this generation of children.”
An inhuman comment but nonetheless it seems to be an acceptable hypothetical solution. Yet another Indonesian University graduate explained it to me as follows, “Corruption is being cultured in Indonesia.”
A historian might possibly lay the blame on the early Hindu culture that was once the mighty Majapahit empire in Indonesia. Or even lay the blame on the Dutch colonial power that ruled Indonesia through ruthless corrupt methods for over 300 years.
Regardless of where it all began and who is to bear the blame, the fact remains that “absolute power corrupts.” Hence, the horrible Hindu (power based) caste system and the brutal economic avarice of the Dutch found “continued expression” in this vast and has-been wealthy country.
Continued expression? Yes, where might is right.
As was my experience once when traveling from Pekan Baru to Bukit Tinggi on the island of Sumatra. A certain path of the journey is through a hilly remote area. There in the middle of what appears to be the most peaceful place during the journey, a road block set up by a few military officers. Our driver stopped, hurriedly ran across the road, made a payment and drove on.
One can imagine what could possibly have happened if one refused to pay this illegal tithe to the military officers?
Corruption is a systemic problem in Indonesia.
Fact: Would having to pay 20,000,000 Rupiahs to a broker in order to get your grown up child a job in the Police, Navy, Military be not considered systemic corruption?
Same fact: The parents would have to borrow that kind of money from whoever they possibly can to ensure that their adult child does become a nightmare.
Extended same fact: Once becoming an Officer, this adult has to find the means to repay the monies borrowed and spare the parents from ending their lives prematurely.
End fact: The means? Why corruption of course. Make others pay to settle the outstanding loan.
This is just the tip of the iceberg.
What is beneath the iceberg is more than two thirds of Indonesia wallowing in abject poverty.
Kudos to the founding father of Indonesian independence. Indonesians were made nationally equal.
Zeros to the ensuing leaders along with their ministers and leaders at every bureaucratic level in the country, who have revisited the Hindu power base and Dutch aggrandizement methods of might is right. These leaders have milked the country’s coffers without any conscience till this very day and thereby entrenched the discrimination between the haves
and the have-never-evers among the populace.
Advice: Not meant to scare anyone although poignant and true. If you intend to visit Indonesia for whatever purpose and you are not a person of financial means, you might wish to reconsider making that trip. Anything goes by their books if you are unfortunate and you are arrested for an offence.
Monger Advice: God forbid that any monger is caught in having illicit sex with a minor. In some parts of Indonesia, same sex is a criminal offence. In this regard, of late there has been concern about certain Provinces that gained self autonomy from the Central Government. These Provinces have been pushed by religious activists to implement Islamic rules of conduct. Mongers should check this out before becoming an unwitting sex offender at such locations.
Proof I: Consider the ongoing yo-yo farcical case against the Aussie hairstylist woman who has been arrested for smuggling drugs into Bali. The demand price has not yet been met for sure while the case becomes a Song Sung Blue, same song difference verse.
Proof II: Even the financial might of Sony (Japan) could not tolerate whatever was going on behind closed meetings with Indonesian officialdom. Sony retrenched their workers and pulled out operations from Indonesia.
There are for certain a lot more of such cases in their judicial keep-in-view file stack as the offender pines away miserably until the day some kind of settlement can be arrived at by both parties.
Excellent reports and I am sure helpful for "new starters" in Indonesia - just a detailed point, isn't it more usual to translate "come" as "keluar" rather than "datang" in the context you describe?
[quote=bulai69]excellent reports and i am sure helpful for "new starters" in indonesia - just a detailed point, isn't it more usual to translate "come" as "keluar" rather than "datang" in the context you describe?[/quote]greetings bulai69,
the word "datang" would be more apt when referring to "come" within the context of being sexually fulfilled in whichever describable manner .
as an example, "datang" points to arrival as one would have come across "selamat datang" or welcome when used this way. (just kind of giggled over here when i noticed that the word "come" already exisits after "wel")
furthermore, the indonesians (just like their filipino/filipina neighbours) love to be poetic. they refer to this kind of manner of speech as "berpuisi" or being poetic. this and such other local words describe other indonesian chat styles, such as "bercanda" or gentle pleasantries, "sandiwara" or to make aimless chat.
so, "datang" which connotes arrival or coming (to the loved one in this regard) would smell like perfume to the gifl as she is being humped.
"keluar" points to out, to an act of movement outward. this word in a descriptive manner defines the very act itself, that is ejaculation. however, linguistically it does not convey the meaning of togetherness in such a sublime act of sex.
on a more humourous side of explanation bulai69, let us reword to add "keluar" as see how it would finally look like. here it goes,
"“jangan hisap ya, tunggu abang keluar dulu” which would then mean “don’t suck okay, wait till i am go out first”. on hearing this, the girl might mistakenly assume that you wish to go out of her chamber of tender loving vagina to do something else, just when it mattered most to her. and to which she might say dejectedly, "ya ampoon" or excuse me. - lol
p.s. - thanks for the compliment. most glad to share my experiences.
[quote=peterpancan]greetings bulai69,
the word "datang" would be more apt when referring to "come" within the context of being sexually fulfilled in whichever describable manner .
as an example, "datang" points to arrival as one would have come across "selamat datang" or welcome when used this way. (just kind of giggled over here when i noticed that the word "come" already exisits after "wel")
furthermore, the indonesians (just like their filipino/filipina neighbours) love to be poetic. they refer to this kind of manner of speech as "berpuisi" or being poetic. this and such other local words describe other indonesian chat styles, such as "bercanda" or gentle pleasantries, "sandiwara" or to make aimless chat.
so, "datang" which connotes arrival or coming (to the loved one in this regard) would smell like perfume to the gifl as she is being humped.
"keluar" points to out, to an act of movement outward. this word in a descriptive manner defines the very act itself, that is ejaculation. however, linguistically it does not convey the meaning of togetherness in such a sublime act of sex.
on a more humourous side of explanation bulai69, let us reword to add "keluar" as see how it would finally look like. here it goes,
"“jangan hisap ya, tunggu abang keluar dulu” which would then mean “don’t suck okay, wait till i am go out first”. on hearing this, the girl might mistakenly assume that you wish to go out of her chamber of tender loving vagina to do something else, just when it mattered most to her. and to which she might say dejectedly, "ya ampoon" or excuse me. - lol
p.s. - thanks for the compliment. most glad to share my experiences.[/quote]
peter,
some interesting points but bulai69 is correct; the correct word is "keluar" and i can guarantee you that the girl will not misunderstand for one second. your basic understanding of bahasa, however, has to be lauded and it would be a good example for other fellow travellers to this region to follow. i find the ability to communicate enhances the experience. just my pov.
md ii
here is something more:
1. predators
again, something that the unwary visitor to indonesia should be on guard.
take for example, from shore to shore; indonesia at its closest point to singapore is about 45 minutes by speedboat. the claim to self importance and resourcefulness differs between the inhabitants of these two nations.
important guy in indonesia would declare all the names of generals, v.i.p, politicians, and tycoons that he is able to contact. he might even show you photograph/s taken of him with some well known person.
important guy in singapore would declare all the names of people in power who personally know him.
without you even realizing it, the indonesian operative has sized you up before the first words are spoken. he would be making visual recognition about everything that is you from the clothing’s to the brand of cigarettes to the size of the bulge where your wallet is placed and on and on.
he is a master in predatory skills from the local university of life.
unlike in places elsewhere he will not open his briefcase and spew a few hundred name cards and pictures.
no, he does not need the cumbersome brief case to make an impression.
he is armed with the gift of the gab. that is about all there is to it where his entire existence revolves.
talk, talk and more talk till you finally submit to his offerings or you manage a way to bump him off most politely.
in another comparison, the filipino is an unashamed braggart. so too is the indonesian.
the difference is that the filipino is driven by pure hot air talk which evaporates and one is none the worse for listening to the entire load of bull.
however, the indonesia braggart is dangerous. listening to his abilities and resourcefulness might even lead you into believing that he is second to george w. bush to protect and to assist you.
how does one overcome the indonesian predator?
simple. i have used this method on a few occasions. outwit the predator at
his own game.
mention to the indonesian that you had a meeting recently or scheduled to have a meeting with the bapak walikota (mayor) or the gabenur (governor) or you were a guest of the wakil presiden (vice president) at his residence in jakarta. you could even mention that you are there also to meet up with the ketua angkatan laut (navy chief) and that would send shudders down his spine. primarily because indonesia is an archipelago of thousands of islands it is the indonesian navy that is the most feared armed contingent and not the military or the air force.
2. travel wisely
it is always safe to travel while sporting an ordinary average income appearance in indonesia.
unless professional decorum demands that you have to be seen in suit and necktie avoid bearing a wealthy appearance when arriving and while being in indonesia.
as i have said it elsewhere here, “you are always being watched” and not said in a derogatory manner, but the blood hounds are good at what they do in indonesia.
this is a true happening and recurrent too for rich looking en route visitors to batam, south of singapore.
from either singapore or malaysia, the en route visitor arrives at the international ferry port and has to take a cab to reach batam’s international airport for the onward flight.
the cab ride to the international airport takes about 35 minutes through batam’s suburbs.
after journeying for some while, the cab driver decides to pull over because of suspected problems with his engine. he alights and lifts the bonnet to attend to the problem.
you hear the driver speaking agitatedly and notice that the cab driver is using his cell phone. he walks back to explain to you that the engine is now immobile and he is effusive with his apologies. says that he has called for technical assistance.
a few more minutes later some motorcyclists pull up to the stranded cab. there is a scuffle with the cab driver and you are approached.
the driver is robbed off whatever cash is on him and you too robbed totally.
more apologies from the cab driver. now without his cell phone he is forced to wave down the next oncoming vehicles for a good samaritan.
you spend another few hours at the local police station filling out forms and answering questions.
and you know what?
it is a scam. the cab driver is in cahoots with this band of bandits who exact highway robberies particularly on visitors who are dressed wealthily. the cab driver is the bandits third eye so to speak and when the choice is made, the cab driver starts his melodrama over his cell phone and the stranded engine.
indonesia is so vast and i am sure that this ploy is not performed only in batam.
solution : travel with casual clothings. even use sandals to make yourself look middle class.
3. hotel information:
except for information needed on the visitor’s arrival white card and unless absolutely needed, do not reveal to anyone at the port of entry who asks you at which hotel you intend to stay.
here for example is a true incident which i witnessed.
on arriving at the ferry port of pekan baru, it was a long queue at the immigration. some of us passengers decided to sit it till the queue shortened.
during that moment of rest, there was this indonesian who kept calling out to passengers. he pointed his hand to an algerian passenger and asked him which hotel he was going to stay.
out came the hotel name from the algerian. the indonesian man then claimed that he was the appointed mobile transport for passengers for that hotel and wanted to know where and how many bags did the algerian carry.
the algerian said one big bag and pointed to where he had laid it.
the indonesian then picked up the bag and assured the algerian that he would first load his bag and wait till the algerian got through the immigration.
about half an hour later, there was a commotion and i saw the algerian panicky and frantic. the indonesian and his bag were no where to be found let alone the so called appointed mobile hired by the hotel.
all that was left with him was his camcorder and a few us dollars in his wallet.
the hapless algerian fell for this quick witted indonesian ploy and lost everything that he brought in his bag for his intended visit to indonesia.
and here is another experience. in another separate incident elsewhere, a friend of mine naively allowed a porter to carry his bag to the hotel reception nearby while he was making a small and short transaction at the money changer.
after checking into his hotel room and upon opening his bag, he found items missing and it included a brand new cellphone that he had bought for his indonesian playmate.
4. touts selling fake items:
there was a time before president susilo bambang cleaned up jakarta’s international airport, when touts hung at every 10 feet apart selling their fake wares just as one would leave the departure hall.
nothing new to relate about imitation branded goods being sold.
it is the manner in which these touts operate. while the seller has got you busily engaged in the attractiveness of the item and busy in a drawn out bargain session, his sidekick is out on his pick pocket stunt right beside you and without you being overtly concerned. he appears to be an innocent onlooker impressed by the ongoing conversation between the seller and the potential buyer.
these touts have moved their activities elsewhere in the city ever since they were booted out of jakarta’s international airport.
hence be careful when approached by a pitiful face trying to make a penny from a sale to you. watch who else is pressing close on your sides.
in god we trust !
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[QUOTE=Master Diver II]Peter,
Some interesting points but Bulai69 is correct; the correct word is "keluar" and I can guarantee you that the girl will not misunderstand for one second. Your basic understanding of bahasa, however, has to be lauded and it would be a good example for other fellow travellers to this region to follow. I find the ability to communicate enhances the experience. Just my POV.
MD II[/QUOTE]Greetings MD II,
Well said indeed. It tickles them Indonesian lasses pink whenever a foreigner manages a conversation in Bahasa with them. Yes, it is a plus and it drives the relationship a notch higher.
Note: Bahasa is a pretty easy language to learn. There are many Bahasa words that have been "Indonesianised" by way of spelling the English word phonetically in an Bahasa way. However, for the sake of mongering, it would be even shortlisted vocabulary.
Cheers
[QUOTE=PeterPanCan]I am sure that most visitors to Indonesia have not failed to express their incredulity about the rampant corruption that exists in Indonesia.
Perhaps some have even had the ignominy in being victims to corrupt Immigration, Customs or Police officials when entering Indonesia or during their stay in the country.
To try to understand the impasse that stunts the economic well being of Indonesia is somewhat similar to finding the proverbial needle in a haystack.
As did this Indonesian lawyer say to me, “I am proud of my country but I am ashamed that I am an Indonesian. For this country to ever heal itself from corruption, it would mean having to drop an atom bomb to kill the entire generation of Indonesian adults but allow the children to escape death. Then start Indonesia from scratch with this generation of children.”
An inhuman comment but nonetheless it seems to be an acceptable hypothetical solution. Yet another Indonesian University graduate explained it to me as follows, “Corruption is being cultured in Indonesia.”
A historian might possibly lay the blame on the early Hindu culture that was once the mighty Majapahit empire in Indonesia. Or even lay the blame on the Dutch colonial power that ruled Indonesia through ruthless corrupt methods for over 300 years.
Regardless of where it all began and who is to bear the blame, the fact remains that “absolute power corrupts.” Hence, the horrible Hindu (power based) caste system and the brutal economic avarice of the Dutch found “continued expression” in this vast and has-been wealthy country.
Continued expression? Yes, where might is right.
As was my experience once when traveling from Pekan Baru to Bukit Tinggi on the island of Sumatra. A certain path of the journey is through a hilly remote area. There in the middle of what appears to be the most peaceful place during the journey, a road block set up by a few military officers. Our driver stopped, hurriedly ran across the road, made a payment and drove on.
One can imagine what could possibly have happened if one refused to pay this illegal tithe to the military officers?
Corruption is a systemic problem in Indonesia.
Fact: Would having to pay 20,000,000 Rupiahs to a broker in order to get your grown up child a job in the Police, Navy, Military be not considered systemic corruption?
Same fact: The parents would have to borrow that kind of money from whoever they possibly can to ensure that their adult child does become a nightmare.
Extended same fact: Once becoming an Officer, this adult has to find the means to repay the monies borrowed and spare the parents from ending their lives prematurely.
End fact: The means? Why corruption of course. Make others pay to settle the outstanding loan.
This is just the tip of the iceberg.
What is beneath the iceberg is more than two thirds of Indonesia wallowing in abject poverty.
Kudos to the founding father of Indonesian independence. Indonesians were made nationally equal.
Zeros to the ensuing leaders along with their ministers and leaders at every bureaucratic level in the country, who have revisited the Hindu power base and Dutch aggrandizement methods of might is right. These leaders have milked the country’s coffers without any conscience till this very day and thereby entrenched the discrimination between the haves
and the have-never-evers among the populace.
Advice: Not meant to scare anyone although poignant and true. If you intend to visit Indonesia for whatever purpose and you are not a person of financial means, you might wish to reconsider making that trip. Anything goes by their books if you are unfortunate and you are arrested for an offence.
Monger Advice: God forbid that any monger is caught in having illicit sex with a minor. In some parts of Indonesia, same sex is a criminal offence. In this regard, of late there has been concern about certain Provinces that gained self autonomy from the Central Government. These Provinces have been pushed by religious activists to implement Islamic rules of conduct. Mongers should check this out before becoming an unwitting sex offender at such locations.
Proof I: Consider the ongoing yo-yo farcical case against the Aussie hairstylist woman who has been arrested for smuggling drugs into Bali. The demand price has not yet been met for sure while the case becomes a Song Sung Blue, same song difference verse.
Proof II: Even the financial might of Sony (Japan) could not tolerate whatever was going on behind closed meetings with Indonesian officialdom. Sony retrenched their workers and pulled out operations from Indonesia.
There are for certain a lot more of such cases in their judicial keep-in-view file stack as the offender pines away miserably until the day some kind of settlement can be arrived at by both parties.[/QUOTE]
I do not understand what Hinduism has got to do with the kind of corription you are mentioning. Major part of India was ruled by the British. But certain pockets were ruled by the non British. Goa was ruled by the portuguese, Tranquebar was ruled by the Duch, Pondicherry and Karaikal was ruled by the French. Just go there and experience for yourself and you will find for yourself the similarities in the nature, attitude, behaviour of the non British ruled areas with Indonesia. The colonoal rulers got the native men drunk and plundered their country while they were drinking away. And till date the culture of drinking and enjoying themselves still manifests only in the non british ruled areas of India.
And as far as Sony was concerned, any other country would have banned the product in the country, for having left the country despite the kind of volumes they generate and the profit they make. In fact with a population of over 200 million, I guess , Indonesia is in the position to call the shots to sony, by telling them that either they manufacture here or they get banned. They will run and come to manufacture here and provide jobs, instead of importing from some other country.
Infortunately Indonesians are too timid and ignorant to understand their strength in the consumer market in terms of volumes.
In this particular case, I admire India, where they banned Coke in the year 1977 and finally when they came back, they came back on the terms of the country.
I guess a revolution is required in this country, to ensure that the corrupt politicians are Guilliotined. Just imagine, the Dutch built a huge infrastructue 200 years back to refill Gasoline in Batam. And, thanks to the Singapore Government, the Batam station stands as a monument with cobwebs accumulating inside the tanks and the refilling of Gasoline for the ships is being done by Singapore by atleast one third of stolen Gas from Pertamina through their executives.
I guess, its not the religion that directs the value system, but it is the sense of belonging and the emotional investment one makes in his country that will evolve a value system, just like what happened in Japan after Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings.
Cheers