Restored Hymens? What If A Bar Girl Did This?
[QUOTE=Yellow Fever #2]It's true. I'm ignorant.
I've met dozens of Filipina in HKG, SIN, SHA, KUL but all have been P4P. I've been to the Philippines several times with one of the 'special' P4p ones I met on my travels. We had an 8 month relationship before I fired her.
I've never really met local girls in the PI. I never tried, I was faithful to my girl and did not look for P4P or any other girls during my visits there. I am sure they are not all P4P. I cannot give you a figure, others say 2%, some may say 80% are P4P but NOT ALL. There is also the portion that are brutally ugly and have no chance of P4P.[/QUOTE]
I will say this about OFW they don't have the best reputations. Most have had the Filipino boyfriend for while. When that doesn't work out then they latch on to some unsuspecting expat to supplement their $100 month incomes. In the ME I remember I had to defend Filipinas from some Indians guys who worked in Kuwait who proclaimed all Filipinas where *****s because this is what they seen while working in Kuwait.
What I am trying to say OFW are a poor case study to judge native Filipinas by. The heavy hitters on the PI board Good Enough, Freebie Fan, please weigh in.
[QUOTE=Gangles]I was interested in your post re filipina attitudes to their virginity and future marriage.
But you are wrong that giving up their virginity ends their chances of marriage to a filipino guy.
I knew a plastic surgeon in Manila who told me that one of his most lucrative lines of business is restoring hymens, so that women's virginity is restored prior to marriage.
So all is not lost.
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Once fucked you are no longer virgin don't care how many times the hymen is restored.
A Filipino man from a good family with decent job in most cases will not accept a woman that has been enjoyed by another man for marriage and I don't blame them.
So they are lying to potential husbands about their sexual status? Great way to start a marriage. Guys be careful when you come to this country looking for a partner. This place is so deceptive it would make Houdini blush.
A Serious Question for Nightrider
Nightrider,
I'm confident that no one is trying to hurt you more, Nightrider. I'm sure it hurts enough already.
People here are just trying to help you cut through the fog of love so that you can understand how you were betrayed.[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]What you're missing here is that your dear fucklet:
1. Agreed to meet this guy on DIA.
2. Met him alone in his hotel room.
3. Allowed him to kiss her.
4. Admitted she got horny.
5. Took her clothes off.
6. Got into bed and spread her legs.
7. Did not fight the fuck.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nightrider1]Short nails ( I know this to be true ) And she said she was just crying and shocked that it was happening. And also thought he would stop when she said it hurt but he did'nt. I know this to be true as well[/QUOTE]Nightrider, even if you give the girl the benefit of the doubt that your point explains away # 7 on the list, please tell us how you rationalize away that she WILLINGLY chose to do every single thing in numbers 1-6.
Why would she do any of those things if she was a cherry girl who loves you as much as you believe she does? Let alone that she did all of them?
You need to address each of those actions one-by-one, in order to gain clarity of the situation for yourself.
In my silly post I was simply trying to demonstrate how ludicrous it is to believe that anyone who is really in love would ever put themselves in that position in the first place.
Each of those actions, one building on top of the other, can't all be an accident. A person must have a strong motive in order for her to have chosen to do all of the things she did.
Please go back and re-read my post, without feeling defensive this time. Rather, look with an eye to see how farfetched it is to believe that all those things can just innocently happen by accident.
Instead of thinking about you and the girl you love while reading it, try to objectively evaluate the situation as if it was happening to someone else.
Your only issue needs to be what your girlfriend did, not the guy. Of course many guys wil do whatever it takes to get laid, so there is no news there. You've got to forget about him and move on from that.
Instead, get stuck on this question: Why you are so accepting that that your fiance did all of those other things when she promised to be true to you?
What could possibly make all of her actions okay?
Sadly, I believe you have known the answer all along, and you are desperately hoping to find a way to help yourself believe otherwise.
It's your life, but we are trying to assist you in realizing that this strong need for denial is not helping you at all, my friend.
DB
Nightrider - consider this
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]Nightrider,
What could possibly make all of her actions okay?
DB[/QUOTE]
Nightrider,
I think it is possible to separate SEX and LOVE. One is a need another is an emotion.
Perhaps she had sex to fulfil her need, not for love purposes but she LOVES YOU.
You obviously still love her and want sex with her but she is not a virgin. Neither are you. Let it go.
You can enjoy her, have an open relationship, let everyone fuck her for sex and she can let you fuck anyone else for sex. maybe you can even find someone to swap partners with once in a while. become a couple of swingers. Let it go.
If you love each other, you will stay together no matter how many guys she does. She obviously does not care about your past.
Too bad you did not get the cherry. I never had it either and personally I don't want the responsibility and the sex of an inexperienced girl like that must be terrible. I've been offered 'cherry' girls (ya right) but each time a girl tells me she is a virgin, I politely excuse myself and look elsewhere. Don't need the troubles.
Open relationships can work, you are a monger maybe longterm, do you really think you can be satisfied by one tiny 18 yo philipine chick? Or will you continue your search for pussy too?
Yellow Fever
Morality, street life and P4P...
nr, in my opinion you behaved honorably and with dignity and no one has the right to disparage you or what you did. whether she was raped, the extent to to which she did or didn't participate, whether she's a victim or not are all irrelevant. the fact is, you avoided inflicting pain on another, weaker human being, and in so doing remained true to your own sense of morality. treating women as human beings and as something more than disposable commodities is always the right behavior.
it's interesting the distinction that people draw here between p4p and non-professionals. while that dividing line in the west and even in other asian cultures may be unambiguous, here, it's more of an artificial line drawn in the sand, at least in my experience. this is a country in which approximately 50% of the population of 90 million or so live on less than $2 a day. poverty is endemic and extreme. it's also a country with largely unchecked population growth, so the poverty is self-perpetuating and self-expanding. this means there's an enormous number of people who are truly desperate--not greedy, but desperate and who depend on those who can generate income through any means to support the rest of them.
in light of the above, what's the real difference among women who trade sex for money in bars; students who trade sex for tuition money in schools, and others who just want to latch on to someone with money who can help support the innumerable siblings, parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, and young children from prior relationships? the point is that, aside from the 2% of the folks here who control the other 98%, everyone is looking for a better life which, in the case of the philippines, may mean simply the chance to have access to potable water and to eat three times a day.
i travel a lot to isolated, extraordinarily poor rural communities, similar to the places many of the women about whom guys write here come from. the poverty and the corresponding level of need are unimaginable unless you have seen them. wanting to escape this level of destitution is an entirely rational aspiration, and i do not blame any of these women for doing whatever they need to do to get out and stay out while helping those left behind. for some of these women, "anything" may include the degradation that nightrider's lady pretty obviously experienced.
another aspect of culture that does not get much commentary here is the indifference with which many (perhaps most) local men treat local women, who are often impregnated, and then left to fend for themselves; raped and then abandoned, and beaten at the whim of an unstable, angry partner. these women have no legal recourse as the "justice" system here is a pathetic joke, few social services to which to turn, and no alternatives really other than getting on with their lives. i have no problem at all believing that nightrider's young friend is telling the complete truth, as her story is by no means unique and what she's said is consistent with how women are often treated here. the fact that he treated her with some kindness and understanding is laudable.
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