Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2501969]Got to love how some people here assumes some others don't know something without even having a conversation about it. Basement keyboard warrior syndrome much? Or is that what's called a Condescending Douchebag? Even worse is that apparently these people's choice will run the world next 4 years? Mankind is doomed.[/QUOTE]You call people "sheeple" then complain when there's return fire? See photo attachment for sheeple. Snap out of it man. You've been had by a con. Thankfully he is removed from power very soon. Best wishes, seriously.

Oh yea and here's the link that was meant to be included in my last post, forgot.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2019-2020.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2502034]I thought it might be worth cross-posting something that was on the Philippine thread.

On this thread ShooBree has made a similar point. The important statistic is not the CFR (which the media hypes up) but the IFR.

[URL]https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3410:[/URL]

[I]fatality ratio estimates now range from 0.02% to 0.86%, with a median of 0.26%,18 similar to that for seasonal flu.[/I]

[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf:[/URL]

[I]In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.[/I][/QUOTE]Poly,

Good honest attempt, but I doubt you can change the minds and beliefs of most the sheeples with all these real scientific proof-points. These folks have already drank so much kool-aid from the MSM as instructed by their Democrat demagogues that very likely they lost most brain cells to do any independent thinking. I wouldn't exactly blame them though, a lot of people are born with such defects that they get influenced by the libtard kool-aids too easily, not their fault. That said, thank you for the information, reinforces what I (and probably many guys here with independent thinking) already knew at a high-level, and that makes me (and us to) feel more confident going forward in life. Hope we can go FKK-ing again soon.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2501950]Short answer: Nope.

Long answer: Can't believe China as usual. And the evidence is all over the map about lockdowns and masking, really nothing to conclude IMHO.[/QUOTE]So China the world's most populous country must have tens of millions of infections and over a million deaths from covid 19 at this time instead of eighty thousand infections and four thousand deaths.

I mean, let's just give you the assumption that mortality is similar to the flu (it's not but let's just give you that.).

You still have to account for the much higher infectious rate (ease of spread).

Factors for higher infection include, but are not limited to, tighter binding of the virus to the host receptor (binding to sugar molecules in flu versus tighter protein-protein binding in Sars-Cov2) and a much longer latent period for which carriers can infect the general population (up to 14 times longer.).

This leads to more cases. It's just a mathematical truth even without considering the pathogenesis of disease. Simply put, even if mortality is the same (again, it's not,) if 1% of 1000 people die of the flu, that is 10 deaths, but with 10000 being infected at 1% mortality, you have 100 deaths due to Covid19.

Again, we're not even factoring the fact that the population has developed some baseline immunity to the familiar flu versus to very few people having ever been exposed Sars-Cov like viruses. The likelihood of clinical manifestations developing upon exposure decreases the rate of undiagnosed cases with coronavirus infection. This in turn, decreases the difference between case mortality and infectious mortality rates.

I think I've previously hammered the fact that while everyone is using mortality to judge the severity of the pandemic, hospitalizations, even without death, is not being considered by random people who just want to validate their ill-conceived positions regarding this topic.

Furthermore can we put an end to the stupid idea that covid19 is a respiratory disease like the flu? It's an endothelial disease that starts with the lungs but exerts many more deleterious sequelae via an inflammatory reaction effecting cells that line the vessels of the body I. E. Cardiovascular, endocrine, and hepatic disease.

I can't believe we're still debating these points.

[URL]https://www.uptodate.com/contents/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-epidemiology-virology-and-prevention[/URL]#H1299415271.

[URL]https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12291-020-00919-0[/URL]

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2502034]I thought it might be worth cross-posting something that was on the Philippine thread.

On this thread ShooBree has made a similar point. The important statistic is not the CFR (which the media hypes up) but the IFR.

[URL]https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3410:[/URL]

[I]fatality ratio estimates now range from 0.02% to 0.86%, with a median of 0.26%,18 similar to that for seasonal flu.[/I]

[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf:[/URL]

[I]In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.[/I][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2501786]Twenty percent of Swedish own their own summer home and 50 percent have access to one via friends and family: [URL]https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200813-the-swedish-staycation-obsession[/URL].[/QUOTE]This percentage is actually higher among Norwegians and Finns than among swedes. About 50% higher.

Maybe why we both beat the swedes in distancing. Who knows?

[QUOTE=Gino02;2502072]Poly,

Good honest attempt, but I doubt you can change the minds and beliefs of most the sheeples with all these real scientific proof-points. These folks have already drank so much kool-aid from the MSM as instructed by their Democrat demagogues that very likely they lost most brain cells to do any independent thinking. I wouldn't exactly blame them though, a lot of people are born with such defects that they get influenced by the libtard kool-aids too easily, not their fault. That said, thank you for the information, reinforces what I (and probably many guys here with independent thinking) already knew at a high-level, and that makes me (and us to) feel more confident going forward in life. Hope we can go FKK-ing again soon.[/QUOTE]I don't understand why you need to bring politics Democrats vs Republicans into the discussion of a viral pandemic. It may be a sign of mental confusion of some sort. You keep considering mortality rates as the only aspect of this virus that is worth considering. You fail to consider that we still don't know the long-term effects of this virus on pregnant women, fetuses, children etc. Persistent Covid symptoms lasting for many months have been recorded in the medical literature and it has already impacted many people around the world. Also, the ICU beds in hospitals are not being filled with dolls, but with real suffering people. Some of which may well have been like this guy, who thought it was all a hoax: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/30-year-old-dies-covid-party-texas[/URL].

[QUOTE=RockyV;2502149]I don't understand why you need to bring politics Democrats vs Republicans into the discussion of a viral pandemic. It may be a sign of mental confusion of some sort. You keep considering mortality rates as the only aspect of this virus that is worth considering. You fail to consider that we still don't know the long-term effects of this virus on pregnant women, fetuses, children etc. Persistent Covid symptoms lasting for many months have been recorded in the medical literature and it has already impacted many people around the world. Also, the ICU beds in hospitals are not being filled with dolls, but with real suffering people. Some of which may well have been like this guy, who thought it was all a hoax: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/30-year-old-dies-covid-party-texas[/URL].[/QUOTE]Great! Believe what you want believe, many people do that, exactly as I wrote responding to Poly.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2502072]Poly,

Good honest attempt, but I doubt you can change the minds and beliefs of most the sheeples with all these real scientific proof-points. These folks have already drank so much kool-aid from the MSM as instructed by their Democrat demagogues that very likely they lost most brain cells to do any independent thinking. I wouldn't exactly blame them though, a lot of people are born with such defects that they get influenced by the libtard kool-aids too easily, not their fault. That said, thank you for the information, reinforces what I (and probably many guys here with independent thinking) already knew at a high-level, and that makes me (and us to) feel more confident going forward in life. Hope we can go FKK-ing again soon.[/QUOTE]Wow.

What a post!

Earlier you called me a condescending douchebag keyboard warrior and said "you know nothing about me". Fair enough.

Now, the descriptives you have in your comment are: (a) sheeples (b) will not accept real scientific proofs 9 c) drank kool-aid (d) instructed by Dem demagogues (e) lost most brain cells (f) no independent thinking (g) born with these defects (h) libtard (I) kool-aid repeated (j) lack of independent thinking repeated coupled with a self patting about having an abundance of independent thinking.

If only you had printed another paragraph, you would have circled all the English alphabets.

When I disdained your comment in which you made some nonsensical observation about insider trading and thereafter showed that you were absolutely clueless about the subject, my condescension as it were, was limited only to you personally and limited to the subject you initiated your comment on.

Here however, you decided to throw shit at perhaps half the country or more (whoever fits your definition of libtards), and then did not limit your comment to one subject (such as Covid) but everything in life.

I am guess you were born w / o a sense of irony (in addition to having no clue about insider trading) based strictly on what you demonstrated in your comments so far.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2502184]Great! Believe what you want believe, many people do that, exactly as I wrote responding to Poly.[/QUOTE]No need to 'believe', you just have to look at facts. You are entitled to your opinions but not to your own facts. This pandemic is hard to defeat because there are too many people, who consider a youtube video as trustworthy as medical doctor.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2502184]Great! Believe what you want believe, many people do that, exactly as I wrote responding to Poly.[/QUOTE]You realize a majority of Trump supporters don't have a college degree right? Or is that fake news too?

Gov. Newsom in hot water over reported birthday party discouraged by CA's COVID-19 protocol.

([URL]https://www.radio.com/kcbsradio/news/local/gov-newsom-at-birthday-party-against-cas-covid-19-protocol[/URL]).

This guy is allowed to run a state in USA that's half the population of Germany!

Tesla CEO Elon Musk reported on Twitter that he may have tested positive for the coronavirus after taking four tests half of which came back positive.

"Something extremely bogus is going on." Musk wrote Thursday evening.

[URL]https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Elon-Musk-gets-conflicting-coronavirus-tests-15725398.php[/URL]

[QUOTE=Palcon;2502247]You realize a majority of Trump supporters don't have a college degree right? Or is that fake news too?[/QUOTE]Its a fake news of course all are rumors.

[QUOTE=Palcon;2502247]You realize a majority of Trump supporters don't have a college degree right? Or is that fake news too?[/QUOTE][URL]https://wallethub.com/edu/e/most-educated-states/31075[/URL]

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States[/URL]

To be fair, voters for both parties are dominated by those w / odegrees.

The simple fact is that less than 40% of the country (adults) have degrees.

It is true that in the recent past degrees voters among Whites have migrated away from GOP. I said this in other posts.

Also the link above shows top and bottom 10 ranked on educational achievements. The top 0 are all solidly blue and 8 of bottom 10 are deep red. Only NM and NV in bottom 10 are purple or blue.

Generally it has been true that the richer states have trended blue of late while the poorer are red. Urban dominated states have higher per capita incomes and tend to be blue, while rural states have lower income levels and are red. Also, South is poor and red and northeast and west coast are richer and blue. But some changes are happening, like GA being in the south, turning blue and also richer due to growing Atlanta while industrial Midwest which used to be solidly middle class got hollowed out due to China taking a lot of our manufacturing, income levels went down and some of them turned from blue to purple or even red. Ohio is one example.

It is a risk for the alt right dudes to hitch their wagon to Musk. He tends to be a loose cannon. It was only in the recent past that Musk and Tesla were derided by right wingers, as they hated EVs and tend to support fossil fuel industry. Forever, right wing told us Tesla would collapse if subsidies were removed, which indeed would have been the case until 2018. Or even early 2019. Now things changed, Telsa's balance sheet improved (mostly because their stock went up 10 times). Anyway, yeah, Musk suddenly became a darling or the right due to his Covid stance although I don't think he gives a flying fuck about right or left. His only concern was to keep the Fremont plant open and keep the production line switched on, otherwise he can't deliver the units he promised investors and his stock would have crashed. So, he did something in self interest and voila he is a rallying hero for the right. But of course to claim he is emblematic of all independent thinkers or smart people is nonsense, especially when it comes from alt right that spat on him till 2 years ago. What about Gates, Zuckerberg, Larry Page, Sergei Brinn, W Buffett? They all swear by the mask and don't think Covid is a nothingburger. They are brainwashed turds? I guess they made $425 billion between just the five of them by outsourcing their brain, eh?

What about Mitch McConnell? You know after Jan 20, he is the de facto leader of GOP. Moscow Mitch may give lip service to every violent tweet by Trump against Dr Fauci but when it comes to his own health Mitch is religiously mask wearing. He shunned White House for 2 months because he knew WH is a Covid pit. Not only that, he proudly declared he has been shunning WH. Bold declaration indeed by a GOPer in the land of trumpards.

Is Mitch clueless? Is he a libtard? He is a sheeple I guess? Brainwashed by the liberal kool aid drinkers?