Angeles City

I have been to Thailand many times and I know the bar fine system very well in Thai IE you pay a set fee as bar fine to nar a the then negotiate a separate fee with the lady for her time. I have never been to Phills and plan a visit to Angeles City soon but reading some reports here it seems maybe you negotiate a fee with the bar to take lady to your room and maybe the bar pays the lady and you only have to give her few hundred pesos for tip.

I am a little confused as to how bar fine works in Phills compared to Thai any help much appreciated tnc.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;2081822]I had planned my August trip starting with AC (5 days), then Cambodia (6 days, Phnom Penh:4, Sihanoukville:2) and Pattaya (10 days).

.[/QUOTE]Appreciate your Report, I have similar plans for November: AC and Pattaya. Will be in your footsteps.

[QUOTE=Broxy;2082444]I have been to Thailand many times and I know the bar fine system very well in Thai IE you pay a set fee as bar fine to nar a the then negotiate a separate fee with the lady for her time. I have never been to Phills and plan a visit to Angeles City soon but reading some reports here it seems maybe you negotiate a fee with the bar to take lady to your room and maybe the bar pays the lady and you only have to give her few hundred pesos for tip.

I am a little confused as to how bar fine works in Phills compared to Thai any help much appreciated tnc.[/QUOTE]Taking the girl out from the bar is referred as barfine, Early work release etc over the years. In Angela's city barfine is all inclusive. If you feel like you tip the girl. All negotiations will and should take place before you take the girl as to your expectations, how long the girl stays, how many times you get to screw her etc. Some girls in spite of agreed terms in the bar reneg afterwards.

It takes little bit of finesse to pick a girl to your liking. There are still some girls who will be GFE in spite of many reports saying the service has gone downhill. Some trial and error and you have learned the art.

[QUOTE=Broxy;2082444]I have been to Thailand many times and I know the bar fine system very well in Thai IE you pay a set fee as bar fine to nar a the then negotiate a separate fee with the lady for her time. I have never been to Phills and plan a visit to Angeles City soon but reading some reports here it seems maybe you negotiate a fee with the bar to take lady to your room and maybe the bar pays the lady and you only have to give her few hundred pesos for tip.

I am a little confused as to how bar fine works in Phills compared to Thai any help much appreciated tnc.[/QUOTE]No need to be confused. Don't make a comparison. Just read the AC reports on barfine.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2082493]Taking the girl out from the bar is referred as barfine, Early work release etc over the years. In Angela's city barfine is all inclusive. If you feel like you tip the girl. All negotiations will and should take place before you take the girl as to your expectations, how long the girl stays, how many times you get to screw her etc. Some girls in spite of agreed terms in the bar reneg afterwards.

It takes little bit of finesse to pick a girl to your liking. There are still some girls who will be GFE in spite of many reports saying the service has gone downhill. Some trial and error and you have learned the art.[/QUOTE]OF course there are still girls out there who give you the Old fashion GFE like we are all accustom to and why we all like the filipinas so much. When I report lack of service has gone downhill I meant what you just said more frequency of girls reniging on bar promises after the money is paid. Girls turning LT promises into short times after the 1st pop wanting to leave. Girls spending down time not paying any attention to you but in there cell phones texting their friends. Girls giving half ass blow jobs, if any at all, complaining that your fucking them to hard or to long and all sorts of other stupid shit like that which total ruins the experience. Its also the more frequent barfine turn down with girls stating they don't go out on barfines they only work for dancing and drinks or they don; t go out with westerners only Koreans. Its those type of things that never used to happen but are happening more and more with today's girls. The grandmothers and the mothers of today's bargirl spoiled us long time mongers to what we want or expect when our money goes down on the table. Thing are definitely changing and not for the better IMO.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2082931]Thing are definitely changing and not for the better IMO.[/QUOTE]I'm there now and have not noticed any change at all since I was first here 8 or 9 years ago, and every 3-4 months during that period. No problems with LT; no problems with attitudes; not difficult to find GFE, and I'm almost positive I'm quite a bit older and less of a "hansum man" than most of the posters here.

BE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2083360]I'm there now and have not noticed any change at all since I was first here 8 or 9 years ago, and every 3-4 months during that period. No problems with LT; no problems with attitudes; not difficult to find GFE, and I'm almost positive I'm quite a bit older and less of a "hansum man" than most of the posters here.

BE.[/QUOTE]Over the last 3 hrs prior to this post I have asked 7 girls if they go longtime. 2 from Blue sapphire, 2 from platinum, 1 from ice bar 1 from night moves and 1 from candy bar. And all 7 said ST only. Nuff said.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2083392]Over the last 3 hrs prior to this post I have asked 7 girls if they go longtime. 2 from Blue sapphire, 2 from platinum, 1 from ice bar 1 from night moves and 1 from candy bar. And all 7 said ST only. Nuff said.[/QUOTE]If this happens quite frequently, it could be attributed to the attitude of the punter. Many factors such as no tip, no ladies drinks, and you don't seem like a fun guy. If you go up to a girl in the bar and blurt out, "Do you go long time?" Don't build any rapport, don't buy her a lady drink and so forth, this is bound to happen. I hope that makes it clearer for you.

Also, the likelihood of a tip after a LT is always a good incentive.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2083406]If this happens quite frequently, it could be attributed to the attitude of the punter. Many factors such as no tip, no ladies drinks, and you don't seem like a fun guy. If you go up to a girl in the bar and blurt out, "Do you go long time?" Don't build any rapport, don't buy her a lady drink and so forth, this is bound to happen. I hope that makes it clearer for you.

Also, the likely hood of a tip after a LT is always a good incentive.[/QUOTE]And this info / advice is coming from a first time visitor to Philippines.

You were going to report how many bar girls you took back to your hotel without 1st paying the bar fine. How is that going? LOL.

I see that China Eastern is now flying into clark with some good interdiction fares.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2083360]I'm there now and have not noticed any change at all since I was first here 8 or 9 years ago, and every 3-4 months during that period. No problems with LT; no problems with attitudes; not difficult to find GFE, and I'm almost positive I'm quite a bit older and less of a "hansum man" than most of the posters here.

BE.[/QUOTE]It is all about your attitude, your demeanour, how polite you are, how you smell, if you are drunk, how you chat with them etc.

Those who think AC is all about 'wham bam thank you maam' and think the girls will jump into bed with you for 500 pesos is long gone (although am sure this still happens but I don't think the stunners do LOL). You must be nice and friendly etc. Y0 u must be a gentleman (surprisingly for some of you out there?

I have contacts that always like me and my friends as my friends treat them with respect, are nice, etc. As GE said he is not as handsum as other men (such as myself GE LOL) and he never has issues so why should anyone else.

Admittedly there was one monger (handle I can't remember) who always complained about this and then owned up in one FR that he was raging drink each night when he spoke to the girls so no surprises he left empty handed each night.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2083392]Over the last 3 hrs prior to this post I have asked 7 girls if they go longtime. 2 from Blue sapphire, 2 from platinum, 1 from ice bar 1 from night moves and 1 from candy bar. And all 7 said ST only. Nuff said.[/QUOTE]The trend towards short time began about the same time that girls from Manila and surrounding areas started working AC bars in greater numbers. The Korean takeover was gaining momentum also. Manila girls are accustomed to the ST / LT concept in the bars there. They are appalled at the thought of getting drilled all night long with a Viagra fueled dick for one flat fee. It is possible that their attitudes rubbed off on the girls from the provinces who were happy with LT being the standard service included in the bar fine in the past.

The non-English speaking Korean clientèle cannot communicate much with the girls and are quite happy to let them go after shooting their load. Therefore, they are content to pay a full bar fine for ST. Western fellas have a problem with this change except for those who cum like Bucky Larson. [URL]https://youtu.be/-4q9zupFFtc?t=70[/URL].

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2083360]I'm there now and have not noticed any change at all since I was first here 8 or 9 years ago, and every 3-4 months during that period. No problems with LT; no problems with attitudes; not difficult to find GFE, and I'm almost positive I'm quite a bit older and less of a "hansum man" than most of the posters here.

BE.[/QUOTE]I'll chime in to be an additional data point. I documented my experience in the March time frame, but to summarize I was 3 for 3 (or maybe 5 for 5 if you count the same girl I had for 3 nights) for both LT and GFE. Respect the girls; be friendly; don't be demanding or aggressive; ok to be drunk, but know how to handle yourself; and it's important to judge the girl. You should be able to tell if a girl is genuine to a high, but not perfect, level of certainty.

I'll be heading over there in a couple of weeks and I expect my report card to stay at 100% LT and GFE. You'll be the first to know otherwise.

Hootas.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2083392]Over the last 3 hrs prior to this post I have asked 7 girls if they go longtime. 2 from Blue sapphire, 2 from platinum, 1 from ice bar 1 from night moves and 1 from candy bar. And all 7 said ST only. Nuff said.[/QUOTE]Back in March, all my girls were LT and GFE. Am I doing something different or am I lucky?

Treat the girls well and determine if you have good chemistry are my words of advice.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2082022]There are bg's who have boyfriend sponsors that dance in the bars for drinks and tips only. They do not barfine as per their understanding with their boyfriend and the bar.[/QUOTE]Okay. Sounds like this a random occurrence versus some bars strategically employing attractive girls for the purpose of drawing customers in. I wonder how much these girls make versus simply working a minimum wage job at the mall.

Sounds like I should abandon my adventurous plan of trying to locate these girls and convincing them to come with me.

Hootas.