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In FKK Land in NRW the 3 G-rule will be enforced: incidence still will matter. But there is only a difference between below 35 or above.

Above 35- FKK land won't close anymore. [URL]https://www.mags.nrw/sites/default/files/asset/document/210817_coronaschvo_ab_20.08.2021.pdf[/URL].

But 3 G will be required with the following.

* Getested, will require now a PCR-TEST

* Geimpft, mean FULLY vaccinated.

* Genesen, means like before that you already had COVID-19- but not longer ago than 6 mts.

(unless a totally different corona-strain or yet another thing changes everything-- but that was always true wasnt it).

So the solution is to try to get covid before one leaves to Germany? Then one can avoid both the testing and vaccination requirements? And how does one prove that he had covid does he just keep a six month old positive test printout and carry that around?

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2593995]In FKK Land in NRW the 3 G-rule will be enforced: incidence still will matter. But there is only a difference between below 35 or above.

Above 35- FKK land won't close anymore. [URL]https://www.mags.nrw/sites/default/files/asset/document/210817_coronaschvo_ab_20.08.2021.pdf[/URL].

But 3 G will be required with the following.

* Getested, will require now a PCR-TEST

* Geimpft, mean FULLY vaccinated..[/QUOTE]

I was doing some research on Japan. So apparently people can live in an internet cafe in Japan and sleep in a private computer room. So then after the computer / hotel then can go to the soapland in lieu of a shower and then go about a normal day without needing a hotel room.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2593878]Yes, I do AO with escorts as some of these girls are really from close to normal life when they begin when I get first get them and comparison to professional tutes, those type of few escorts girls are cleaner.

Also in Soap land in Japan, it is more or less controlled to some extent as they do AO and if there is problem, it can lead to shut down of the whole industry that is grey, though tolerated as the claim is that clients and lady who wash you in bath with soap fell in love LOL! Odd way to convince, but it is tolerated as necessary platform.

AO is men's normal demand and need, but not necessary though I am sure all of us if given a chance will go for it once in awhile. I just do not feel comfortable in low end ones as more people can afford to go comparison to expensive ones and I doubt for 50 euro price, AO clubs like that can afford to take measures that they could take for STD, nothing is 100 percent, but some measure taken is relief for mongers!

Anyways AO clubs are gone now from surface, and it is shame that there was no premium ones, I would love it if globe did other smaller FKK next to globe and called it globe AO LOL![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2593995]In FKK Land in NRW the 3 G-rule will be enforced: incidence still will matter. But there is only a difference between below 35 or above.

Above 35- FKK land won't close anymore. [URL]https://www.mags.nrw/sites/default/files/asset/document/210817_coronaschvo_ab_20.08.2021.pdf[/URL].

But 3 G will be required with the following.

* Getested, will require now a PCR-TEST

* Geimpft, mean FULLY vaccinated.

* Genesen, means like before that you already had COVID-19- but not longer ago than 6 mts.

(unless a totally different corona-strain or yet another thing changes everything-- but that was always true wasnt it).[/QUOTE]Can I clarify. Does this mean you can get in with vaccination pass only or do you need vaccination and PCR?

I assume vaccination pass will be adequate but I don't want to get there and get turned away!

People are constantly bemoaning the current state of FKKs and mourning the good old days.

It seems to me we're at a standoff: The 50 E rate, which hasn't changed for a decade or so, is understandably too low to bring in fresh new girls. If it was higher, there might be more girls and prettier ones too.

On the other hand, the customer is king, and any club that okays a standard rate above 50 E is likely to see fewer customers.

But we often forget there is a third party to this marketplace: What if a club supplemented a girl's earnings? That club might wind up as king and expand the landscape too. Are club margins so tight they can't afford to give a little up to the participants?

Of course, a club can't directly pay the girls, because girls would choose that club just to get the payment, and it would violate the idea of these places as simply marketplaces, turning the club into employers and bringing added responsibilities.

So maybe a club could pay the girls a bonus for each room they occupy? But then that might turn into a new administrative headache for the clubs, tracking how many rooms each girl took.

So maybe lower the entry fees for girls? That would effectively put more money in their pockets. I wonder if any club owner has tried this. Or would that be too aggressive of a move for the scene?

The guys should rate the service level with the desk in a review card. Then at the end of the day the girls who have top level reviews for adhering to the 50 euro pricing should be given a refund of their entry fees and testing fees from the club. This way the best providers are rewarded with extra euros.

And if there are certain new or 18-21 girls, especially beautiful providers they can be given a free trial week for free entry to entice them to start working.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2594056]People are constantly bemoaning the current state of FKKs and mourning the good old days.

It seems to me we're at a standoff: The 50 E rate, which hasn't changed for a decade or so, is understandably too low to bring in fresh new girls. If it was higher, there might be more girls and prettier ones too.

On the other hand, the customer is king, and any club that okays a standard rate above 50 E is likely to see fewer customers.

But we often forget there is a third party to this marketplace: What if a club supplemented a girl's earnings? That club might wind up as king and expand the landscape too. Are club margins so tight they can't afford to give a little up to the participants?

Of course, a club can't directly pay the girls, because girls would choose that club just to get the payment, and it would violate the idea of these places as simply marketplaces, turning the club into employers and bringing added responsibilities.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2593995]In FKK Land in NRW the 3 G-rule will be enforced: incidence still will matter. But there is only a difference between below 35 or above.

Above 35- FKK land won't close anymore. [URL]https://www.mags.nrw/sites/default/files/asset/document/210817_coronaschvo_ab_20.08.2021.pdf[/URL].

But 3 G will be required with the following.

* Getested, will require now a PCR-TEST

* Geimpft, mean FULLY vaccinated.

* Genesen, means like before that you already had COVID-19- but not longer ago than 6 mts.

(unless a totally different corona-strain or yet another thing changes everything-- but that was always true wasnt it).[/QUOTE]Great Information!

Do you know if these rules also apply for the Hessen-area?

For example, Frankfurt has had Inzidenz-Zahlen 35 for a week now.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2594056]People are constantly bemoaning the current state of FKKs and mourning the good old days.

It seems to me we're at a standoff: The 50 E rate, which hasn't changed for a decade or so, is understandably too low to bring in fresh new girls. If it was higher, there might be more girls and prettier ones too.

On the other hand, the customer is king, and any club that okays a standard rate above 50 E is likely to see fewer customers.

But we often forget there is a third party to this marketplace: What if a club supplemented a girl's earnings? That club might wind up as king and expand the landscape too. Are club margins so tight they can't afford to give a little up to the participants?

Of course, a club can't directly pay the girls, because girls would choose that club just to get the payment, and it would violate the idea of these places as simply marketplaces, turning the club into employers and bringing added responsibilities.

So maybe a club could pay the girls a bonus for each room they occupy? But then that might turn into a new administrative headache for the clubs, tracking how many rooms each girl took.

So maybe lower the entry fees for girls? That would effectively put more money in their pockets. I wonder if any club owner has tried this. Or would that be too aggressive of a move for the scene?[/QUOTE]Whether to lower or raise the fees for clients or the girls depends on demand and supply.

If too few (many) clients: lower (raise) the entry fees for clients.

If too few (many) girls: lower (raise) the entry fees for girls, and so on.

It is true that the price for a 1/2 hour room has not changed for more than a decade.

The main reason is that more and more girls from Romania, Moldavia, Bukgaria, etc., entered Germany and the FKK-scene in the period 2015-2019. This pressed the price for sex.

Right now, it seems to be unbalances of both girls and clients in different regions of Germany (many girls are still in Romania or have changed profession, many clients stay home or are restricted to travel).

It will be interesting to see the outcome for the number of clients and girls when the corona fog and, above all, the restrictions have settled.

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2594111]Whether to lower or raise the fees for clients or the girls depends on demand oand supply.

If too few (many) clients: lower (raise) the entry fees for clients.

If too few (many) girls: lower (raise) the entry fees for girls, and so on.

It is true that the price for a 1/2 hour room has not changed for more than a decade.

The main reason is that more and more girls from Romania, Moldavia, Bukgaria, etc. , entered Germany and the FKK-scene in the period 2015-2019. This pressed the price for sex.

Right now, it seems to be unbalances of both girls and clients in different regions of Germany (many girls are still in Romania or have changed profession).

It will be interesting to see the outcome for the number of clients and girls when the corona fog and, above all, the restrictions have settled.[/QUOTE]In the world of FKK, when they raise the price, they raise the price because they feel like it to raise the price, why? Because mongers going to pay for it anyways LOL!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2594059]The guys should rate the service level with the desk in a review card. Then at the end of the day the girls who have top level reviews for adhering to the 50 euro pricing should be given a refund of their entry fees and testing fees from the club. This way the best providers are rewarded with extra euros.

And if there are certain new or 18-21 girls, especially beautiful providers they can be given a free trial week for free entry to entice them to start working.[/QUOTE]I'm getting nightmares of girls running around with little paper sheets badgering and browbeating mongers for ratings.

Besides, mongers are already sensitive to having their visits recorded. The card would be one other record that no one wants to support.

The new girl trial week is not a bad idea. I wouldn't be surprised if it's already in effect, though they probably come from their pimps and not quite as gentle: The pimps give the girls a huge loan to get them started, and the girls have to pay it back with interest.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2594266]I'm getting nightmares of girls running around with little paper sheets badgering and browbeating mongers for ratings.

Besides, mongers are already sensitive to having their visits recorded. The card would be one other record that no one wants to support.

The new girl trial week is not a bad idea. I wouldn't be surprised if it's already in effect, though they probably come from their pimps and not quite as gentle: The pimps give the girls a huge loan to get them started, and the girls have to pay it back with interest.[/QUOTE]In FKK, they will just raise rates and charge you, that is the system, but somehow FKK kept it fair enough. Upsells in most parts are reasonable! 150 euro per hour sound ok to me for all inclusive!

And sadly, I expect the price raise in future, but it is all ok, in the worst case, we got globe LOL! High price already, but no upsell!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2594326]In FKK, they will just raise rates and charge you, that is the system, but somehow FKK kept it fair enough. Upsells in most parts are reasonable! 150 euro per hour sound ok to me for all inclusive!

And sadly, I expect the price raise in future, but it is all ok, in the worst case, we got globe LOL! High price already, but no upsell![/QUOTE]No, the system is to keep prices and services steady, that is the beauty of it.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2594059]The guys should rate the service level with the desk in a review card. Then at the end of the day the girls who have top level reviews for adhering to the 50 euro pricing should be given a refund of their entry fees and testing fees from the club. This way the best providers are rewarded with extra euros.

And if there are certain new or 18-21 girls, especially beautiful providers they can be given a free trial week for free entry to entice them to start working.[/QUOTE]Clubs are only interested in raking in the cash and may not be interested in undertaking this extra chore.

What we clients do not appreciate is our power. There should be a special thread on the FKK posting related to rating of girls. There the postings would only be about FKK girls and their ratings by clients. The rating of the performance of the girls is the most important aspect of this system. Of course mention would be made of such things as upselling, short timing, etc.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2594554]No, the system is to keep prices and services steady, that is the beauty of it.[/QUOTE]Yes, but they got their own system in main bar LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2594572]Clubs are only interested in raking in the cash and may not be interested in undertaking this extra chore.

What we clients do not appreciate is our power. There should be a special thread on the FKK posting related to rating of girls. There the postings would only be about FKK girls and their ratings by clients. The rating of the performance of the girls is the most important aspect of this system. Of course mention would be made of such things as upselling, short timing, etc.[/QUOTE]It may benefit mongers, but not the clubs or the girls too much!