Panama City

Yes, I do have (and will post) reports on chicas. Today I woke up after another short night (got back to the room at 3 AM - alone) and checked out of Las Vegas and into Marriott for only 20,000 points. And being fairly empty this weekend, they upgraded me (Platinum status) to a huge suite on the 20th floor, full access to Executive lounge of course. I *must* bring one (at least one - LOL) girl to this room tonight. Supposed to try hooking up with another Forum member - hope he gets my PM letting him know I've moved hotels! Too bad my flight's @ 7:30 AM tomorrow. :-(

More later....

Hey guys. Thanks for all the help.

And I had no idea about the gay porn star name at all. Which leads me to wonder how you knew about it? ! Haha. All in good fun.

So I hear a smoking ban went into place in Panama today, any word on the ground if it is being enforeced?

I'm givning Torres de alba a shot.

Got into town yesterday. Missed meeting with Mr. Vee due to his change of location. No problem though. Las Vegas suites is overpriced at $70 a night IMO.

Went to Veneto. Lots of talent. Mostly Colombianas with bolt-ons. I prefer real tits. I met a Panamanian girl with nice real ones. She spoke pretty good English. We had a couple of beers and I was having a good time. I asked for Todo La Noche. She wanted 300, so I offered 200 which I know is a lot but I heard Colombianas with boltons want 300 an hour nowadays which is USA rip off prices. Went back to my place and had a good time (stip tease, BJ, multiple positions, massage, she even sang for me) but then she wanted to leave early, so I offered her 100 to leave, but she wouldn't take it. She stayed but awould allow no more sexo, so finally after a couple of hours of cuddling, I got pissed off at her and told her to get the f out and threw 150 at her. She left and I guess I scared her, because she left her cell phone. I'll give it to her if she calls, but I'm not going to track this ***** down. It sounds like the practice of bait and switch has hit Veneto. That sucks.

It seems like Vento is rip off city nowadays. I talked to Mr. Vee and it sounds like he found the same.

Is there anywhere safe to go in this city to get a good todo la noche at a resonable price?

Free here....

Well lets see, considering I live here in PTY, if I were were in your shoes where would I go??

First Habanos, located DIRECTLY in front of the Hotel Marriot. The only thing there is the place is most time full of Colombians with fake tits. Sometimes you can find some with real ones and a few cuties from panama there also working. Bottom line its worth a try. BUT it is NOT open on Sundays. This is also a better option for someone that does not like the loud music, club scene. TLN probably about $200

Second La Boudaguita (I spelled it wrong im sure). Review the board for the correct location. A small club with colombians and SOME chics from pty. TLN will probably run you about $200, depends on how well you can "talk" to the girl, etc, etc. Warning, loud music, lots of people, BUT a great time to be had. Also this spot is open on sundays.

Now let me add my disclaimer, obviously the above options are NOT a guarantee (nothing is a guarantee with latin women) but worth a shot. If you want more info give hit me on PM. good luck.

Considering that weekly salaries in PTY remain at or around $100 per week, since when have we been paying $200 for TLN? To a street ho no less? I don't like to criticize, but are you serious? But I may have been stuck in a time warp or something. I have never paid more than $80 for TLN ($100 if you include a nice tip). When did this start to happen? Do you know what you are doing to the price structure of the PFP in this country if this continues? My, oh my; gentlemen. Things are getting tougher all over the planet, and we are outbidding ourselves (Ourselves only, by the way) by 100% for no reason. We need to keep prices in line, gentlemen. No one in Panama makes that kind of money in one night (Or whatever you arrange). For that kind of money, why don't you go to a Las Vegas legal brothel? It is their going rate on slow nights anyway. Trust me, only true saps pay that kind of money for anyone in PTY. It is like going to the store, seeing something valued at $50 and paying $100 to $150 because we can afford it. I know we can afford to do it; there are many of us with that kind of dispossible income, and it is cool. Just why would we do it? Trust me, there is no one patting anyone in the back for that kind of waste, especially when half would more than suffice in obtaining the service. If they want to charge that much, screw them. Offer half and wait. If you have any kind of game and she is in to you, she will relent. My last TLN in PTY was with an Oasis girl for $60 plus room service and some breakfast (This was in November 2007). I am not trying to brag or anything, but $200, are you kidding me? No way, no how this should be happening. Things are tough all over, people are struggling to keep their heads above water and we are doing this? Trust me, we are doing it to ourselves. Why do you think that places like Golden Time have kept the same price structure for all these years? Trust me, the girls are making a good amount of money (Out of the $84, they get half, half goes to management). Yes, $42 per hour is a lot and this is the best in the country. Pay a fair price for service rendered; just don't let them get the best of us like that. At this rate, GT would be charging at least $200 per hour. Would they be staying in business if they were? I don't think so. Think about it. We are outbidding ourselves for no reason. Just my observations...

I stayed at the Veneto this weekend. The hookers were out in force in the casino -- the place appears to have returned to its glory days, and I thought it was a little better than Habanos or La Bodeguita. There was absolutely no problem taking a woman to your room, in fact, the security guys on the casino level would push the button for you. The level of talent was up significantly in Oasis compared to the last time I was there. And prices in Elite are getting ridiculous -- they're up about 40-50% since last time I was there, about a year ago. Lady drinks are $18.90 a piece and you have to buy 10 for takeout. That's just the barfine, not counting what you have to pay the woman. They're charging $30 for the open bar now.

Voyager, I believe you are in a time warp. $200 for TLN is not unreasonable. I don't think most of us are going to get a "9" or a "10" for much less than that, unless there's some chemistry, or unless she has a long term agenda. You bring up Golden Time -- the charge there for TLN is $350, and if the woman gets half that's getting close to $200. Or we may be talking about two different things--yeah, if you pull from the bottom half of what's available, $200 is too much to pay. But BaitandSwitch was talking about an attractive woman with magnificent cenos who speaks English, and I imagine Free was thinking along the same lines.

I don't think there's any comparison to a Nevada Brothel. I've paid up to $350 for TLN in Panama, twice, both times at GT, and from what I've read it would have run more than 10X that much in Nevada. Both of the women were 10's in my book.

As to prices, I think Golden Time is an anomaly. I don't live in Panama, but in the 5 years I've been going there the price of hotels and food has gone up a lot. And in USD terms, prices have increased even more in Colombia, where a lot of these hookers come from. The dollar is weak and the rest of the world is getting richer while we're staying the same. In any event, I don't think it's people like BaitandSwitch, me, and other posters that are running up prices. We're a pretty educated group, thanks to ISG we know the going rate. IF there is anyone to blame, it would be the foreign businessmen, the wealthy locals, and the tourists who don't have a clue.

[QUOTE=Icyhoteric]Hey guys. Thanks for all the help.

And I had no idea about the gay porn star name at all. Which leads me to wonder how you knew about it? ! Haha. All in good fun.

So I hear a smoking ban went into place in Panama today, any word on the ground if it is being enforeced?

I'm givning Torres de alba a shot.[/QUOTE]

the ban is ridiculous!!! is actually good that now they are defining that in the law, but the law itself was created taking only the non smokers opinions in consideration, because by law, there's not even a smokers designate area.

Whats even worse, apparently, the law is written in a way that if you are walking down the street and you are smoking and someone that doesnt smokes gets annoyed, they can call the police on you!!

I guess we are going to agree to disagree. No street girl in the world (Except in developed countries) would get that kind of cheese ($200) for TLN from anyone. In a way, you are making my point: How are you going to compare a 10 from GT, arguably, the best massage parlor in the country with a street ho? No way you can compare the two. First, the GT girl has to answer to her bosses and would get fired for trying to pull the crap that happened to BaitandSwitch (Sorry about the bad luck). Because she is walking around Veneto, Habanos or la Bodeguita, they are still on the street. My point is quite simple: Providers talk. I've been there and trust me when I say that they are laughing and calling us foolish. If she is a 10+ and you've got to have her, I wouldn't offer more than $100. Doubling the price makes us look weak and easy to manipulate. A street ho in Panama charges $20 for a short time and $50 for TLN. That's the going rate when I was there last time in November. If they are hanging out who cares where, Veneto, Habanos or la Bodeguita, that does not mean that you pay as if she works at the establishment. She is from the street, she knows it and so should we. Paying the local's rate times 4 is just plain sad. If you don't know, ask the locals what they pay. Don't be scared to ask. You will see that I am not that far off.
[QUOTE=Tiny 12]I stayed at the Veneto this weekend. The hookers were out in force in the casino -- the place appears to have returned to its glory days, and I thought it was a little better than Habanos or La Bodeguita. There was absolutely no problem taking a woman to your room, in fact, the security guys on the casino level would push the button for you. The level of talent was up significantly in Oasis compared to the last time I was there. And prices in Elite are getting ridiculous -- they're up about 40-50% since last time I was there, about a year ago. Lady drinks are $18.90 a piece and you have to buy 10 for takeout. That's just the barfine, not counting what you have to pay the woman. They're charging $30 for the open bar now.

Voyager, I believe you are in a time warp. $200 for TLN is not unreasonable. I don't think most of us are going to get a "9" or a "10" for much less than that, unless there's some chemistry, or unless she has a long term agenda. You bring up Golden Time -- the charge there for TLN is $350, and if the woman gets half that's getting close to $200. Or we may be talking about two different things--yeah, if you pull from the bottom half of what's available, $200 is too much to pay. But BaitandSwitch was talking about an attractive woman with magnificent cenos who speaks English, and I imagine Free was thinking along the same lines.

I don't think there's any comparison to a Nevada Brothel. I've paid up to $350 for TLN in Panama, twice, both times at GT, and from what I've read it would have run more than 10X that much in Nevada. Both of the women were 10's in my book.

As to prices, I think Golden Time is an anomaly. I don't live in Panama, but in the 5 years I've been going there the price of hotels and food has gone up a lot. And in USD terms, prices have increased even more in Colombia, where a lot of these hookers come from. The dollar is weak and the rest of the world is getting richer while we're staying the same. In any event, I don't think it's people like BaitandSwitch, me, and other posters that are running up prices. We're a pretty educated group, thanks to ISG we know the going rate. IF there is anyone to blame, it would be the foreign businessmen, the wealthy locals, and the tourists who don't have a clue.[/QUOTE]

O.K., I'll admit I've spent TLN with women that I thought were around 7's for $70 to $100, and could have paid less. The $70 chica started as a $20 chica (for short time) and I gave her a performance bonus the next day. If a hooker is drop dead gorgeous though, $200 is a good price IMHO.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]I guess we are going to agree to disagree..[/QUOTE]

Last week I landed Wednesday evening around 10:15 PM. One of the guys at Las Vegas hotel offered to pick me up since he was off, and he and his brother gave me a brief 'guided tour' from the airport to the hotel. When I worked this out with him over the phone the day before my travel, he quoted $25 and I was fine with that. He also offered to be available for anything else I needed, which is nice. If an employee of the hotel works with you 'on the side', it's unlikely they are going to scam you or put you in harm's way, so there's a comfort factor there. As this was my first trip to Panama, and arriving late at night and not wanting any hassle or wasted time, this suited me fine.
By midnight I was trolling the Veneto hotel, but I could barely saddle up to the bar - too many people, most of them guys who seemed to look at me as some type of competition (surely not any of you guys, tho). I observed probably 15 girls who clearly were unattended. My favorite of the lot, though, never reciprocated eye contact and when I casually said Bueno walking past her, she looked away from her circle of chica friends only long enough to give me a U.S.-type look that says, "do I know YOU?" And then she turned her attention back to her chica circle at the bar. I thought, WTF? But only momentarily. I strolled all around the casino and had some drinks at the bar, and a couple of girls tried coming onto me, but they were (in my opinion) 5's, maybe 6's at best, and I just wasn't too interested.
I took a walk along the street, both sides, just to walk, get some air and explore the scene. Stopped briefly at the Oasis massage place, but it was as uninviting and unappealing as other forum posters have reported. Just 3-4 girls, 5's at best, sitting on a couch and looking greatly disinterested. Two other guys came in behind me, drunk as hell, and gave them business - that was my graceful cue to escape.
A taxi driver who calls himself "Tony" - a black guy in his 50s? - asserted himself on me, first by asking for a buck so he could get something to eat, but after awhile of street-talking, I went back to Veneto, saw even fewer chicas than before, went back outside and I decided to chance it with Tony to take me to a place he knew about, 3 minutes away, where I'd find what I was looking for.
It really was 3 minutes away, and I can't tell you the name of the place because it had no name, as far as I know, and the location was really obscure - back through some small side-streets and inside a courtyard of sorts. You'd have to just "know" where it was to ever find it. There was a motel (of sorts) there, but it had a local name I just can't remember, and it looked like a place no tourist would know about, much less stay there.
Tony said he'd stay and wait for me. The 4-5 girls were 6s, but to me there was one 7 - the only issue was that she didn't make much eye contact or smile much. All except one was from Colombia. I chose the 7. $80 for one hour, servicio completo. She smoked a cigarette while I showered, claiming that she had already showered earlier. She gave me a half-decent "massage" for about 10 minutes (? - time flies) and then turned me over to get started. She did a below-average CBJ (I tried to object to the C, but she wasn't at all negotiable), followed by a couple of different positions, all with a very detached display. Said her name was Adriana, and that she was 33. She had the most petite body of any girl I saw on my entire 3-day trip - around 5'2", 90-95 pounds, small natural chest with very full nipples. Her cell phone rang several times during the session, and one time she answered but didn't stay on long. Ridiculous! Later on, there were several more ring-tones on her cell, but I figured out it was the mama-san letting her know that time was almost up, which of course the girl told me about. I never did finish - I just can't do the whole mechanical, business transaction, dumpy place, non-GFE thing, especially after a really long day and several drinks in me.
So I was walking out, and Tony said I should take a girl with me, and at first I was like, "are you totally nuts?!" But one girl there kept beaming smiles and eye contact at me, so it persuaded me to linger. However, just then a very assertive girl grabbed me and pulled me into a "VIP" room, pulling out her tits and shoving her nipples against my mouth, trying to get me to engage. She said stuff and did stuff very overtly to get me to take her back to my hotel with me, but she just didn't turn me on at all! I didn't like her pushiness and she had this angry-looking face. Just a complete turn-off. Finally I got rid of her and went back to the girl with the sunshine eyes and smile, and we had some broken English conversation.
Eventually I agreed to take "Maria" - a Dominican - to the hotel for $90 for one hour. Tony would again be our driver. He coerced me to give a few bucks to the armed security guard who lurked outside the place, and to the room attendant who cleans around the place. I gave $20 to Tony (he seemed unhappy with that) when we got to Las Vegas suites, but I thought that was fair.
We got past the evil-eye stare of the Las Vegas night attendant (an older woman who wasn't very guest services oriented) and went straight to the room, where the girl showered, then me, then we got down to some business.
She said she was 23, probably 5'3" and 125-130 pounds. Not really overweight, but full-figured and really nice, big natural rack. I'm more of a small, tight rear-end kind of guy, but large tits are mentally and physically nice to work with. She did BBBJ, but only after negotiating an extra $20 propina (tip), and by that point in the evening (3 AM?) I wasn't in the mood to argue. However, I went down on her first, and she really went wild - this either was oscar-winning acting on her part or she really liked it. I would have liked for her to "oral me" to completion, also, but unfortunately her oral talent wasn't all that good, so on went the cover and then we did multiple positions. Finally, being covered, and being flat wore out, I couldn't finish, so she laid next to me with those nice huge tits laying against my chest, and she initiated DFK while stroking mr. marbles while I took care of mr. shaft. After a few minutes of that, my water pistol shot a stream 2-3 feet and she seemed happy to see that. But she was equally quick to start cleaning up, getting dressed and leave. And that was fine with me, as I had to work the next day and severely needed some sleep.
Total damage, including drinks at Veneto (which are NOT cheap, by the way ... U.S. prices, basically): $255
Transport from the airport to the hotel: $25
3 mixed drinks at Veneto: $20
Tony the taxi driver: $20
Below-average Girl #1 at the unknown massage place: $80
Decent Girl #2 "take-out" from the unknown massage place: $90 + $20 tip

Las Vegas Suites is an "ok" hotel ... I don't mind paying $70/night, but I was somehow expecting more than a 1-star hotel experience (by US standards). Even on the 8th floor, I could clearly hear the street noise (esp. all the car horns), which is a near-constant in that area. The place is quite old - the only saving grace is that my air cond. and wireless internet worked fine. Other than that, I was very unimpressed with the room, bathroom and furnishings. Now, don't get me wrong - I'm not complaining, but just reporting on my experience for informational purposes.
I had breakfast at McDonalds down the street (same prices as U.S.), purchased some overpriced stuff at the pharmacy (Green's?) near the Veneto, then spent most of the day working in my hotel room over the internet, supporting my clients back in the U.S.
Around 7 PM I finally left the hotel, turning left and walking away from Veneto, I stopped in at Istmo Brew Pub.
SIDE-NOTE: I did not find this out until later, but apparently Thursday was the first day of a legal ban on public area smoking. I don't smoke, so that's a nice change of pace for a non-U.S. experience.
Istmo Brew Pub is apparently the "La Terrazza" bar that others have reported on in this forum. I did not know this until Friday night when I asked an old cab driver to take me to La Terrazza and he pulled up in front of Istmo Brew Pub! LOL.
So I have two glasses of red wine (again, US prices - around $5 each) and a 3-part appetizer. When the appetizer comes out, it's more food than I want to eat, so I offered most of it to a table of 3 girls, and they graciously accepted (in the U.S. you would get, at best, a cordial "no thanks").
Went back to the bar. The table of three girls didn't "appear" to be working girls, but I finally aimed at finding out. One of them was an 8, but she was an air-head and sported a U.S. female attitude, although she at least was cordial to me because her two friends seemed to like me a lot. All 3 were from Colombia, and the 'ring leader' spoke a good-enough broken English.
Eventually they asked me to join them, and we all finally left when their ride showed up - a guy "friend" of theirs, and he seemed pretty cool. So we're in his car going "partying" (they said not far from there), but the 8 rolled up some weed and everyone (except me and one other girl) started smoking it. Meanwhile, the guy was driving who-knows-where, for about 20 minutes, but I was a little relieved that we wound up back at Veneto.
Tony again saw me and came up asking for a buck! LOL. But since I was with 4 other people, there wasn't much barging in he could do.
We all went into Veneto, except for the 8, who went I-don't-know-and-don't-care where. So we get a table, and order some drinks and food and have some limited conversation. To be honest, I wasn't into either of the two girls who were in my present company, so I tried (discreetly) to check out the rest of the place.
The girl who the night before had given me the "do I know YOU??" look was there again, so I went up to her again at one point and said something en espanol, and it was the same type of reaction. Sh** ! I was thinking, WHY are you here if you aren't accepting gentlemanly advances?! There were other girls in the place, but I just didn't see any that I frankly wanted to deal with!
Finally around 2:30 AM, the "8" shows up, and about 15 minutes later, I told everyone I had to get back to the hotel to get some sleep. The 8 motions to speak with me for a minute, and she wants $100 to "go with me" for an hour. My gut feeling said, it ain't gonna be worth it. It will be non-GFE and I'll regret spending the money. Besides, I had already spent about $80 total on food and beverages for the evening, so in my mind it would have been like spending $180 for one hour with a girl ... $80 for the "hunt" and $100 for the catch. Nawwww. No thanks.
And that was it. I went back to the hotel to sleep.

Gee Vee, that doesn't sound good. I came really close to trying to contacting you and BaitandSwitch, but only had late nights and small parts of the days free so figured we'd have a problem hooking up.

Anyway I was in the Veneto Casino Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights and thought the pickings were good. I left with a bonafide 10 on Friday and Saturday who gave great service, and an 8 on Thursday who was a great combination GFE/PSE. I think you were underestimating the number of available chicas. The chicas at the slot machines and the tables near the bar and the women talking to men at the bar -- they're all hookers. The only one I saw in that area of the casino who wasn't a hooker was the Corona beer girl. I know because she told me so. If you look at a woman and smile and she smiles back it means she's available. If she doesn't it probably means she's shy, or thinks the guy she's talking to is likely to take her. In that case I'd try chatting up one of her less-attractive friends or one of the guys in her group then try talking to her.

I went to Oasis one time, Friday morning when it opened at 11:00 AM. There were two women there, one that I'd rate 8.5 and the other 7. The service from the 8.5 was O.K., nothing to write home about (only CBJ), but she was fun to be around, and cost for full service was only $50. (This price is the lunch time special, only available from 11:00 AM to 2.00 PM, I think.) When I left there were several more women on the couches and none were dogs. This was a definite improvement over what I'd seen at Oasis in past years. I suspect you hit the place so late that the first team had already left, or maybe the morning shift is hotter right now.

Doing the post mortem, your biggest mistake so far was not going to Golden Time. It's really point and click there -- IMHO it's the best concentration of hotties in Panama, and you're not going to get ripped off. If looking for a freelancer, you probably would have been more comfortable in Habano's. I don't think you're as likely to find a 9 or a 10 there, but it's a lower-pressure environment with more obviously-unaccompanied women compared to Veneto or especially La Bodeguita.

Thanks for the reply and insights. Wish we could have met up. One pattern that truly exists but is awfully hard to quantify or objectively define is the very subjective rating scale that we forum members all use. Some years ago I tried to get Jackson to consider putting a "1-to-10" rating area up, so that everyone could 'sing from the same sheet music' in that regard. It's awfully hard to do under any circumstances because people's personal tastes are just so vastly different. But I think in general you could put about 10 pictures of 10s out there, and say, girls who look like this are 10s, and the same for 9s, etc. I think we've all read posts from guys who went crazy regarding a girl, then anxiously opened the photo, only to be disappointed in seeing someone we wouldn't have picked under any circumstance. And that's not to be critical, but to give you an example, I read all the posts about Bodeguita and G.T., and I wrote them down as MUST places to go. Then I looked at all the posted photos of girls from those places, and I threw the paper away.
A guy with VERY LITTLE time and limited funds has the nearly impossible task in a new place of figuring out what's what in terms of the kind of thing HE is looking for (which may not be what others are looking for). Add to that the 'right-time-right-place' luck-of-the-draw, and any given night the experiences may be good or not so good.
To me, if I'm going to go to the time, trouble, effort and expense of flying to another country, and spend a total of, let's say, $1000 to get maybe one or two good experiences, I am *much* better off making 5 visits to AMPs that are within some reasonable driving distance and that offer known quantities in terms of service, girl-friendliness and physical appeal.
In my humble opinion, Panama is much too Americanized for me, including the prices. When I submit my full 3rd day report, you'll really see what I mean.
Not sure where this leaves us - we probably just have different 'eyes' when it comes to girls. Thursday night is the only night we were both there, and still I stick to my estimate that there were about 10-15 girls at the bar, and yes, there were some girls at some slot machines, but the hottest girl I saw that night was an 8. A 10 to me is a girl that freakin' looks like Tera Patrick or Halle Berry on their best days. And don't get me wrong, I actually prefer a good, solid 7 or 8 who has a 8-10 attitude than a 9-10 girl who has a lousy 5 attitude.
The other dynamic that might be going on is that I greatly prefer Asian women, with Latinas (being dark skinned, dark haired & dark eyed) a close second. But the Asian girls tend to be overall much more petite than Latinas. Although I'm not great-looking, I'm also not bad looking, and I also pride myself on being a complete gentleman and very generous to the girls. I am in pretty good shape, too. Plus, I'm the paying customer here, so throw all that together and, Yes, no apologies here, my expectations might be high.
I'll post my third day report next. Although it was a complete dud, you'll see that I sure gave it a very earnest attempt.

So Thursday night was a bust in general, but I didn't spend too much money hanging out with new "friends" I had met at Istmo Brew Pub, plus I didn't blow any other wads. Bottom line, I still had some unused wads in all my pockets, and it was Friday night.

As BaitandSwitch mentioned, we were going to try hooking up, but it was close to midnight by the time we finally got connected by telephone. Nice talking to ya, man. He had a thing going on and I was still trying to figure out whether to keep hunting or call it a trip and go to bed. I had to wake up at 5 AM for a 7:30 AM flight.

Friday night started out with food and (again, overpriced) drinks at the Marriott's Executive Lounge. Most international lounges have a 'happy hour' with complimentary drinks, but in American lounges you have to pay, and thus, no surprise, same in Panama. I didn't find out until later that it was $9.50 for a glass of merlot, and $5.50 for the glass of chardonnay that I had. Rationalizing the event, at least the food was free and it basically was my dinner, not to mention I had access to free water, sodas and other snacks all throughout the day.

First I checked out the casino adjacent to the Marriott - zero. I mean zero.

A young bellman told me that Elite was a good place to go, only a flat $25 for open bar, and I think he mentioned there's a cover charge (can't remember), and Le Palace. I didn't really want to get [more] drunk so I set off in search of other bars and clubs he mentioned in the "area around TGI Fridays". I found Hooters - what a joke! Same as the US - the girls weren't that great, but worse, the entire place was filled with guys. BYE! Next was TGI Fridays - busy, but every table had the look of groups of people who knew each other, including the bar area. BYE! Wandered the streets looking for other bars/clubs that might provide something 'interesting' - but I saw nothing with potential. It was around 8:30 PM. I got back to my hotel and no message from BaitandSwitch, so I continued back out again. An old cab driver said he'd take me to La Terrazza (which turned out to be Istmo Brew Pub) and then he'd pick me up at 9:30 to take me to Le Palace (it opens at 9:30). I had some wine there but saw no girls. 9:15, I walked over to Veneto, just to scout around -- must have been too early (?). Same or similar impressions that I had from the previous two nights, so I said BYE to Veneto for the last time, also.
Cab driver picked me up at 9:35 at Istmo Brew Pub, took me to Le Palace.

Upon walking in, I knew something wasn't good - the place is DARK, and the black lights illuminate the girls' skimpy outfits, but other than that, you can't hardly see what they REALLY look like.

Having had much to drink earlier, I just got a bottled water and sat down. The "show" soon started, where the girls all line up and form a "train" of sorts, and the line wanders around the room so that all guys at all tables can get a look at all of them. I made eye contact with the most petite of them all. Oddly, it was her blond (colored) friend who came over to sit with me instead, and I kept asking where was the girl I wanted to meet. Finally she got up and went to go get her. I look around, just to make sure that all the other guys don't look like Enrique Iglesias and Antonio Banderas and George Clooney. Nope. In fact, I figured I was the best dressed and probably about the best looking guy in the whole place. Lots of beer bellies and pudgy executive type guys. So I thought, that can't be it!?

Finally the girl comes over and we start having some limited conversation. She's Colombian, 23 (but she looks 30 - but that didn't bother me) with small breasts and a great rear-end. Not the BEST I've ever seen (that distinction goes hands-down to a 30-year-old Vietnamese that I met in Singapore years ago). But really nice all the same.

She asks for a drink and I comply. It's a Red Bull and Cognac. Later I will find out it cost me $22, and my bottled water was $4.50. I really wanted to make a point about that, but I also didn't want to find myself in a freakin' Panamian jail, so I bit my tongue. But before that price shocker, there was an even bigger one: she said that she could "go your hotel with you" for 1 hour for $400. I laughed. EXPENSIVO! She said, No...No! No expensivo! She said it's $100 for the house and $300 for her. (remember, this is for an HOUR) She gets one of the other girls to come over, who is more fluent in English, and she starts to explain to me that Le Palace girls are premium, and that is the cost. I explained (nicely of course) that in Thailand I could get two girls, equally or hotter than any girl in Le Palace, for 90 minutes for $100, and that the girls would also co-perform (one of my favorite experiences). She explained this in Spanish to the girl who was consuming a $22 drink, and after she explained it, they looked at me, got up and went back to their places. I didn't even watch them leave. I sat there just long enough to text message a buddy of mine about the prices, finish my water, then leave. I know the poor waiter was waiting for me to leave some tip, but I took every bit of the change he brought back from my two 20's.

Sheesh!!!

Never one to give up, I wandered some more streets looking for something - anything. One lady wearing old clothes that appeared to be dirty, and she herself was probably around 40, asked me "masaje'?" and I politely told her No. I guess this is one of the girls you can get TLN for $50, eh? Not my cup'o tea.

Finally get back to the room thinking I'll just call it a day, but there's a couple of messages from BaitandSwitch. So I call his hotel and we chat for awhile. It was after midnight - I'm thinking "5 AM wake-up call". Sh**! But I just can't give up. I go back to the hotel casino - there's one older Colombiana who is playing slots and, despite looking to be in her late 30s or early 40s, looks damn good in her formal dress and implanted bustline. I chatted with her briefly - she never did say that she was looking for companionship, but I just assumed she would go for it. Price was $300 for an hour. I thought about it. But only for a moment. She looked high-class, and she was in a high-class place with high-rollers, but I just wasn't her guy. I have no idea - it might have been the most outstanding experience I've ever had. Who can know?! I went with my gut feeling, which said to pass. She didn't flinch (half-way thought MAYBE she would get negotiable if she realized I was walkin').

Sat at the bar and listened for 15 minutes to a live band, caught the eye of a Panamian girl that looked like a "regular" girl. She was seated with another lady, and they had put down 5 cervesas (always a good sign). The only problem was that the other girl was a 2 or a 3 -- very short, very overweight, very short hair ... just nothing I could really find attractive about her. Her friend, the one I was interested in, spoke almost no English, despite saying she was an accountant. When the band packed up at 1:30 AM, the girls told me they were going to the Majestic casino, and if I wanted to go with them, they had a car and that was fine. I said, Sure. We got to Majestic and I again trolled the place (on the way to the restroom, of course), and didn't see anything or anyone who was unattached or appealing. So I sat with these two girls at a table, and the music was SO loud you'd have to scream at the person sitting right next to you for them to hear you. Add the language barrier to that, and it's not even worth saying anything. I tried "talking up" the Panamanian girl, and she did give me her e-mail address, but that was the extent of it. Told them that I needed to get some sleep and I left to get a taxi back to the hotel. Crawled into bed at 3, didn't really sleep, got up at 5 and flew back home, worn out as hell and determined never to go back to Panama. It's all yours, guys! I wish you the best! Look for my next and probably all future posts in the Asia forum.

[QUOTE=MrVee]To me, if I'm going to go to the time, trouble, effort and expense of flying to another country, and spend a total of, let's say, $1000 to get maybe one or two good experiences, I am *much* better off making 5 visits to AMPs that are within some reasonable driving distance and that offer known quantities in terms of service, girl-friendliness and physical appeal.
In my humble opinion, Panama is much too Americanized for me, including the prices. .[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I got the same vibe down there last June. Nothing worse than a "HOE" with attitude. I will be down in early May for a wedding, and I'm sorry
I decided to go. I'll be out maybe 2 grand for this and know that I will be getting lousy service. I almost had a cardiac when a Columbiana in Veneto quoted me 400 bucks for a few hours! Hopefully the non-pro I'm trying to get with will act right this time and I wont need to monger too much.

Still working on my Spanish and aiming my missile towards DR!