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IT, I don't do 'normal' girls, not for free and I certainly wouldn't pay for it. But regardless of that, one of the members of this forum who is a lurker and is currently deep uncover in the Ukraine regularly gets 8's off of the internet for $60/hour. We've both spent a lot of time hunting together in Kiev and one memorable trip to Kharkov so I know our 1-10 scales jive together. Of course he speaks and write Russian well, which I am sure is a great help to him. I don’t do p4p via the internet, I prefer networking and the apartments.

I've seen 8's at $60 and $80/hr apartments and 8's at RP for $300/night. Internet girls should be the cheapest of all options, not the most expensive. I've seen $60/hr internet girls try to quote $300 - they just want to see how much of a foreigner you are, don't fall for it.

When a good monthly wage is $250/month, $250/night is too much.

Of course I don't see the point in having a p4p girl stay over the night. I feel after the initial session if she wants to stay she should have to pay me. ;) I've only had one experience in Kiev with this. It was two girls I had picked up from RP - $200 ($100 for each) one was a solid 8 and the other was a 7. They both had too much to drink at my place and we all ended up snoozing till 10am..ho hum...This was Feb 2005.


[QUOTE=It Travel]Mhhh in Kiev I think you get a normal girl for 60, in my opinion a real 8 is around 80 then of course 250/350 are the asked prices, you have to contract a little...

In my opinion 250 a night (I mean real nights, 12 or 14 hours) for a real teen 18/19, even a 6 ore 7 a little bit naive and so is not toomuch.

IT[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]IT, I don't do 'normal' girls, not for free and I certainly wouldn't pay for it. But regardless of that, one of the members of this forum who is a lurker and is currently deep uncover in the Ukraine regularly gets 8's off of the internet for $60/hour. We've both spent a lot of time hunting together in Kiev and one memorable trip to Kharkov so I know our 1-10 scales jive together. Of course he speaks and write Russian well, which I am sure is a great help to him. I don’t do p4p via the internet, I prefer networking and the apartments.

I've seen 8's at $60 and $80/hr apartments and 8's at RP for $300/night. Internet girls should be the cheapest of all options, not the most expensive. I've seen $60/hr internet girls try to quote $300 - they just want to see how much of a foreigner you are, don't fall for it.

When a good monthly wage is $250/month, $250/night is too much.

Of course I don't see the point in having a p4p girl stay over the night. I feel after the initial session if she wants to stay she should have to pay me. ;) I've only had one experience in Kiev with this. It was two girls I had picked up from RP - $200 ($100 for each) one was a solid 8 and the other was a 7. They both had too much to drink at my place and we all ended up snoozing till 10am..ho hum...This was Feb 2005.[/QUOTE]


Dear Friend I also have experince in Kiev of girls offerng you all you want at 5 AM... for 80-90 USD. Usually it's because they have to pay the downpayment of ther Visa or Mastercard (belive me or not) It's not my business.

I do not know if you are aware of this simply economic rule. Montly salary (average) = a night with a good teen. It works, approx., everywhere (basic money asked).

By the way of course there are lots of 60/80/100 USD apartments, but even this is not my business. I want a girl, avaliable in all three holes, in my bed, for the night. It's all.

I know well what they say in Internet... on phone and in person it's another thing. You usually get laid for 200. I'm just travelling in this areas since 1982... where, really, with some gifts, you could get the maid in your bed every night!

But when I find a cutie, teen, offering full service, for overnights, and asking for 250, and agreeing to saty with me from 5 or 6 PM (aving some food) to 11 AM, why shall I try to pay 200? I can ansure you get much more out of them... If you treat them with respect, and mostly if you show up your passport...

Yes on ground of passports. My country for some special travellers issues 48 pages ones. My is just two years, and now I'm at page 28... show to the beauties, they will be impressed! By the way I do not need visa to Ukraine and have permanent to Russia.

Bye

IT


PS don't worry I'll not overpay, but I will pay them more than they wait so I get a good service. As in a bar or in a restaurant. Always tip BEFORE, after, you can just go and save your money. and MAKE IT CLEAR IT'S A TIP. ;)

Sorry one more thing. If you managed to get paid by a girl in RP (all Pro) you might start a new career as actor... ;)

[QUOTE=Cool Morris]Anyone ever consider bringing back one of these vixens back to USA for a quid pro quo arrangement, you give me sex and in 2 or 3 years you get a green card?

If I was interested in such an arrangment, how can I go about looking for ladies in Ukraine? Any tips please?[/QUOTE]I'm sure it's possible, but I think very unlikely. Most of these girls are looking for the the quick buck. The fiance visa takes a lot of time and effort. The girls are going to assume you're lying and they're not going to wait for all this. I've been looking for a wife in Ukraine for a long time, visited many times, and even the good girls are very wary of foreign men. I've dated somewhere closer to 100 than 50 women that I would seriously have considered marrying, but they are just not serious about it and too afraid of what might happen. They've heard all the horror stories from their girlfriends I suppose. I still love Ukrainian women and have no intention of going through life celibate just because I can't find a good candidate for a wife, and aside from the commitment and honesty issues these girls are the best (at least for my taste). At any rate, any girl who would accept your offer would probably bolt at the first chance. There are even stories of girls here not lasting the 90 days, calling the police with false abuse charges, and manipulating the situation to remain in the US indefinitely. My opinion -- your best bet is to let what happens in Ukraine stay in Ukraine.

SR

[QUOTE=Srilm]I'm sure it's possible, but I think very unlikely. Most of these girls are looking for the the quick buck. The fiance visa takes a lot of time and effort. The girls are going to assume you're lying and they're not going to wait for all this. I've been looking for a wife in Ukraine for a long time, visited many times, and even the good girls are very wary of foreign men. I've dated somewhere closer to 100 than 50 women that I would seriously have considered marrying, but they are just not serious about it and too afraid of what might happen. They've heard all the horror stories from their girlfriends I suppose. I still love Ukrainian women and have no intention of going through life celibate just because I can't find a good candidate for a wife, and aside from the commitment and honesty issues these girls are the best (at least for my taste). At any rate, any girl who would accept your offer would probably bolt at the first chance. There are even stories of girls here not lasting the 90 days, calling the police with false abuse charges, and manipulating the situation to remain in the US indefinitely. My opinion -- your best bet is to let what happens in Ukraine stay in Ukraine.

SR[/QUOTE]Thanks, these are all very good and valid points. I am especially concerned with the lack of commitment on their parts. Of course, I am curious how they can stay in America after running off, even with false abuse charges. Don't they automatically get sent back? or just because they were "abused" they can stay? This is very interesting.

I was actually thinking about bypassing the whole Fiance Visa. Those are impossible to get. My plan was to go and get married and start that process. But, you do have a point about time, it will take at least a year for that to process.

It seems like however you slice it and dice it, marriage from oversees is just a pain in the butt.

If anyone can share their "marriage" stories it would be very helpful.

Thanks all

In my years I have met personally 4 guys (1 while I was in Iowa) and 3 here in Kiev that have married UKR girls! The 1st guy married an older 30 something Dentist and she became 'disenchanted' quickly with USA - she could not practice her profession.

The other 3, married young babes and in 3 years time were ALL divorced!

"Sorry honey... I have the GREEN card - chiao" !!

But at least one admitted - 'He had great sex during the time' !!

LS Guy

[QUOTE=Cool Morris]Thanks, these are all very good and valid points. I am especially concerned with the lack of commitment on their parts. Of course, I am curious how they can stay in America after running off, even with false abuse charges. Don't they automatically get sent back? or just because they were "abused" they can stay? This is very interesting.

I was actually thinking about bypassing the whole Fiance Visa. Those are impossible to get. My plan was to go and get married and start that process. But, you do have a point about time, it will take at least a year for that to process.

It seems like however you slice it and dice it, marriage from oversees is just a pain in the butt.

If anyone can share their "marriage" stories it would be very helpful.

Thanks all[/QUOTE]

1982? During the cold war, Kiev must have been a swinging place...

I must be dating the wrong girls in Kiev, I tend to date a bit more sophisticated ones. The only time they get excited is when they see my passport is when they see my age. I look a bit younger then my current mid 30's (cough cough....okay, late 30's)

I had a girl from RP pay for my lunch once does that count? ;)

Based on my experience (including my expat friends) $250-350 is a bit high. Especially for the less sophisticated girls you seem to be talking about.



[QUOTE=It Travel]

I know well what they say in Internet... on phone and in person it's another thing. You usually get laid for 200. I'm just travelling in this areas since 1982... where, really, with some gifts, you could get the maid in your bed every night!

But when I find a cutie, teen, offering full service, for overnights, and asking for 250, and agreeing to saty with me from 5 or 6 PM (aving some food) to 11 AM, why shall I try to pay 200? I can ansure you get much more out of them... If you treat them with respect, and mostly if you show up your passport...

Yes on ground of passports. My country for some special travellers issues 48 pages ones. My is just two years, and now I'm at page 28... show to the beauties, they will be impressed! By the way I do not need visa to Ukraine and have permanent to Russia.

Bye

IT


PS don't worry I'll not overpay, but I will pay them more than they wait so I get a good service. As in a bar or in a restaurant. Always tip BEFORE, after, you can just go and save your money. and MAKE IT CLEAR IT'S A TIP. ;)

Sorry one more thing. If you managed to get paid by a girl in RP (all Pro) you might start a new career as actor... ;)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lifesavour]In my years I have met personally 4 guys (1 while I was in Iowa) and 3 here in Kiev that have married UKR girls! The 1st guy married an older 30 something Dentist and she became 'disenchanted' quickly with USA - she could not practice her profession.

The other 3, married young babes and in 3 years time were ALL divorced!

"Sorry honey... I have the GREEN card - chiao" !!

But at least one admitted - 'He had great sex during the time' !!

LS Guy[/QUOTE]That's actually what I am anticipating. I am not really crazy enough to expect a full marriage. Right off the bat, I know they will take off when they get their greencard (as a matter of fact, I am hoping they will and this will be discussed beforehand). The good think I have going is I am not 50, I am good looking and I am pretty financially set. So this would be nothing more than a contract.

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

Dear All,

I am going to Kiev for 2 weeks start of October and would like to contact 2-3 girls to show me around (museums, night clubs, dinner) and for hot nights.

Can you please send me 2-3 girls, should be nice and with heart, fantastic in bed, but no professionals. Semi-professionals and amateurs are ok, should be 8-10s.

Please also explain to me what part of the telephone number for Ukraine I have to dial - I have tried to call Viktoria (recommended from the board) from Austria, (tel. number +38050 861 7176), but could not get though. Is the number only working in Ukraine and not if called abraod.

Thanks for your help, and I will post reports on my stay.

Best regards,

Alarich

[QUOTE=DiamondPassion]Dear members of InternationalSexGuide!

My name is Anton Samoilov, i'm manager of escort agency "Diamond Passion"
I want to refuse the post of "Kievmaster111"

Our agency have never fraud our clients. I think "Kievmaster111" is a creator of one scam agency who want to advertise his site in the future.

So to to proove my statements please read this correspondence with "Kievmaster111":[/QUOTE]Look this report in Ukraine General Info section from member Asiafun28:

Daimond Passion Escorts Kharkov

Hi all,

A quick report on my experience with Diamond Passion escorts.

I was browsing the web looking for some nice company for a trip I was taking to Bratislava and found Diamond Passion Escorts website.

It looked fantastic and the girls unreal so I contacted them by email to organise
a meeting with one of their girls.

I recieved a quick reply from the manager Anton Samilov (again by E-mail), he answered my questions promptly and the details I recieved about proposed flight
time etc were correct (I checked the flight times, airlines etc myself) so I was happy enough to send via western union the booking deposit and price of flights.

I made sure to confirm the details of my hotel and organised for a key to be left at reception the girl so she could wait for me if I was delayed.

I was really looking forward to the appointment as a nice (but expenive treat)

Also I checked several sites for reviews on this agency and they seemed very positive so I was fairly optimistic.

As It turns out my optimism proved unfoundded as the girls did not show up.
I mailed the agency and recieved a quick reply asking me to confirm that the model did not show up and then a mail saying they would check it out.

Since then the mails have been sparse the contact phone number I have is not connecting and the last mail from them promised to repay me or organise another meeting, after I stated that I would post my experience to every escort forum, agency review site and toplist on the web.

Maybe there was a genuine error or mistake by the agency and they are trying to correct that mistake, but far more likely at this stage is my money is long gone and someone in Ukraine/Russia is enjoying several hundred euros of
fine wine and food at my expense.

Yup I do feel like a complete idiot for sending the money, but when the penis
sees a woman it likes sense and reason go out the window.

So there it is my story of woe, I can post copies of my correspondance with the agency and Mr Anton if need be, but What I would really like is Mr Anton
Who I know is a member of this forum to post a response to this mail and explain why He and his agency have not resolved this problem (if they are a legit Agency).

I will gladly post a detailed report if the situation gets resolved

Anton knows who I am and the booking was for Elena in Bratislava for 12th Sept

KV,

Thanks for the alert and heads-up on Anton and his Agency. If he is a member of this forum (and posts to this board), then we should seek him out, and have Jackson ban him immediately.

Anton -- if you read this, why not stand up and be counted !

KV -- suggestion -- why not cut and paste your previous report to ALL the boards in "Europe" section alerting all other hobbyists of this scam agency.

It is bad enough that we have to deal with scam ladies, and now we have another rat in the pile.

Moral of the story, for the same investment, get yourself to River Palace, and like any retail store, take your pick off the shelf !

Good luck

Hi,

Just a quick post to confirm that the agency have contacted me and offered a solution to my situation.

Anton has explained the reasons behind the missed appointment and is willing to make ammends, so I am happy to give the agency a fair chance and will post a detailed review of the situation in due course.

Asiafun28

[QUOTE=Cool Morris]Thanks, these are all very good and valid points. I am especially concerned with the lack of commitment on their parts. Of course, I am curious how they can stay in America after running off, even with false abuse charges. Don't they automatically get sent back? or just because they were "abused" they can stay? This is very interesting.

I was actually thinking about bypassing the whole Fiance Visa. Those are impossible to get. My plan was to go and get married and start that process. But, you do have a point about time, it will take at least a year for that to process.

It seems like however you slice it and dice it, marriage from oversees is just a pain in the butt.

If anyone can share their "marriage" stories it would be very helpful.

Thanks all[/QUOTE]As for how they stay in the USA, it's the same as with any other illegal immigrant, and there is a vast network of Eastern European women here to help them out. They hide, lie, and manipulate the system when necessary. With numbers at least in the hundreds here in Memphis alone of illegal Mexican immigrants, one or two Ukrainian girls are going to be well below the radar. Tennessee even passed a law a few years ago that allowed illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses and the resulting lines at DMV were incredible.

The fiance visa is practically guaranteed. If you jump through all the hoops, it WILL be issued. However, it takes a few months, and any mistake on your part will restart the process. Unless the girl (or you) has a disqualifying trait (i.e. you're still legally married), there is no process for denying the fiance visa. Basically, you keep trying until you get it right. I have first-hand experience in this matter, and it's why there are so many law firms that advertise a 100% success rate with the visa. A friend at work did the marriage visa with a girl from Egypt. It was a quicker process than the fiance visa, but had the same hoops to jump through. He even did it without any legal help and after a few missed attempts he finally got it.

Personally, I know of three such foreign marriages to friends of mine, and all three are still married. All but one did the visa process without legal help. It does take time and dedication, but it works. One of the Russian girls was quite homely, but great wife material. The other was attractive, but older, with a kid. The Egyptian girl is young and hot, but the guy makes good money and is a seriously likable guy (a "great catch"). I guess the point of all this -- and to try to keep it on topic -- is don't be deceived by the fact that incredibly hot teens are willing to sleep with you or even be your girlfriend. Although you may have more options and be able to find a more desirable wife in Ukraine, this is only true within reason. A model-gorgeous 21 year old girl is not looking for a 50 year old, average-looking, not very socially connected man as a life mate.

I found [url]http://my.flirt.com.ua[/url] very interesting.

Someone thinks that 26 is the maximum age for girls… I have restricted it in this site, considering only Kiev, first to 25, and the to 21, now I’m just searching teens.

There are more than 1300 18teens and 1350 19teens ads… of course most of them will not get in bed with you!

My opinion on the site are:

Fake photos: very few.
Correct photos: you will never know if the girl coming matches with the one portrayed!

Maximum Sex: is one pf the favourite things they want to do, approx 25%

Age: usually low limits, but if you are foreigner usually they allow 5-10 years more, so it might happen that you get in bet with a 18 y.o. girl just coming home from school!

Approx 30% are for free just fun, then most are sponsorships, and just some pros.

In some days surfing, some hours and getting and sending messages, both English and Russian, I sent around 800 messages, got back 400 (I include also chit chat).

An I got telephone numbers of 40 fuckable girls. Some are pros. most naives.

For two I’m negotiating on duos weekends, with school mates (18-19) usually lesbian, in the “Russian” world lesbo is very chic (they will get their fresh and hard meat in any case… if their come to my apartment!).

I am still fascinated by EE women. Particularly those from former USRR. They are 18teen, seem that they play with dolls, and they will drain your balls!

In the pics section I post some of the 18-19 y.o girls… nearly all can be fukcable… for two or three Franklins a night. Where else you can find such beauty?

They seem (EE girls) designed for sex: mouths(for sucking), bodies (to be caressed), skin (soft as silk); pussy (to be licked… a teen has another taste!); how they like to be portrayed (as bitches) … etc.

In some parts of Photo gallery three reports of just 18teen and 19teen available on flirt.

Unfortunately, just five days, I think that five months would not be enough!

:(( :((


IT

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