Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Frannie;1590934]The end is nigh for Sosua as a mass market sex tourism destination, but every cloud has a silver lining and if the'Classico Discoteca is all that remains, then at least it has the advantage of being smoke free, which most of the chicas will appreciate.[/QUOTE]Like all "end is nigh" predictions, Frannie, this one won't come to pass.

There's a lot of money generated for the area (businesses, politicians, landowners) by mongers, and they would need to replace that income. In the bigger picture the sex tade continues to be a major source of foreign exchange for the DR as $millions flow in from around the world, curtesy of WU and other transfers.

The alternative is always "family business", but families want different amenities, besides a beach. They prefer gated safe communities with limited, if any, interaction with "locals", who they see as predators, while the locals see them as easy prey. So they flock to places like Punta Cana, Puerto Plata, Caya Leventado in Samana, and recently Las Terenas, where they can insulate themselves and their kids from the locals. (I happen to think that it's their loss, but that's another story).

Some years back they dreamed up a new marina down by the river, and demolished half of then Charamicos to make way for it. (the first Google Earth pictures showed the whole town). Trouble was the marina was butt up against the other half of Charamicos. Hardly the place for the upscale yatching crowd.

Sure, the politicians will talk, but the truth is Sosua has a bad rep as a Red Zone and will never be considered a family destination.

Which leaves it to us mongers who appreciate all its other "amenities".

[QUOTE=Mongerman69;1590562]Can anyone comment on the current scene in, sosua? Any changes worth noting?[/QUOTE]Saturday night on Pedro Clisante:

Families early sitting in the street listening to music. Girls walking hurriedly by the gathered families, getting picked up by guys also milling around. A bizarre scene, families sitting in a (former) red light district.

The streets outside PC were full of wandering women with angry faces. In fact, there was an unhappy feeling all around from all those who profit (ed) from the trade.

I was told that Friday night 70 girls were arrested, taken away in vans. One haitiana was beaten soundly when she resisted. I didn't witness and my source heard it word of mouth. Can anyone confirm.

Friday night in Cabarete there were lots of cops, few girls, and I saw guys coming from Sosua, as well as girls, which tends to confirm that there was a serious crackdown Fri night in Sosua.

This reminds me of the late 90's when they arrested all the girls and Sosua was then empty for a couple of years until it slowly made its comeback.

It is discouraging that **** is covering up this significant turn of events in Sosua, favoring its advertisers over its readers and members. **** thereby loses it's credibility. Maybe Jimmy is afraid he won't be allowed into the country.

it's true, sosua is seen as a red zone and it is known to cater to the single traveler for many years now. if one place closes, the girls go elsewhere. if that place closes, they go somewhere else. and if they keep closing places, i can imagine more girls being out on the streets. which i don't think helps "change the image" of sosua as politicians are trying to do. there are many other places for families to go to in dr as people have said.

yes, after seeing rumba last night it's probably safe to say that it's pretty much dead. but i see more girls rep001tered in the lther bars now, aside from classico. and i see more girls walking the streets. please keep in mind i am trying to compare to my previous trips. i have been coming to sosua every 2-3 months since august 2013. i never saw passions or some of the other places from years ago (wasn't present for the re-opening and closing). so my experiences may be different from others. but i never have a hard time finding a good looking chica. .

[QUOTE=Frannie;1590932]Of course it could just be a con, but then again if she is one of your well-off Dominicanas, she is probably trying to get into your pants,....[/QUOTE]LOL. From the spelling errors in the text (brasa. Instead of brazo. The arm), the woman is unlikely to be literate enough to make the big bucks. The only kind that apparently schmooze into his pants. The real question is: how did he stoop to such low standards?

[QUOTE=Puntz79;1591072] So my experiences may be different from others. But I never have a hard time finding a good looking chica. .[/QUOTE]Anyone who knows the US scene (which does not hold a candle in comparison to Amsterdam or Barcelona), would only be thankful that a place like the DR exists at a stone's throw from US shores. Unfortunately it also draws the US Govt / church's attention, ire and money and induce posturing in the DR politicians to suck up some of the funds.

The talk here about the doom and gloom is only that. Talk!

[quote=puntz79;1591072]it's true, sosua is seen as a red zone and it is known to cater to the single traveler for many years now. if one place closes, the girls go elsewhere. if that place closes, they go somewhere else. and if they keep closing places, i can imagine more girls being out on the streets. which i don't think helps "change the image" of sosua as politicians are trying to do. there are many other places for families to go to in dr as people have said.

yes, after seeing rumba last night it's probably safe to say that it's pretty much dead. but i see more girls rep001tered in the lther bars now, aside from classico. and i see more girls walking the streets. please keep in mind i am trying to compare to my previous trips. i have been coming to sosua every 2-3 months since august 2013. i never saw passions or some of the other places from years ago (wasn't present for the re-opening and closing). so my experiences may be different from others. but i never have a hard time finding a good looking chica. .[/quote]thanks, puntz79.

i'll be heading down quite soon for my second sosua trip and during my first trip in june i thought to myself, "it'd be nice to go into any one of these smaller, empty bars and have a nice conversation / negotiation with some chicas instead of the 'putang wal-mart' of rumba / the'latin".

since all but one of the "wal-marts" has closed do you think i will get my wish and find a dozen or so smaller joints doing good business with 20-30 business ladies hanging around looking to meet some new friends?

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1590954] I don't smoke cigs anymore but I have never heard a Chica say " I can't sleep with you because you smoke". Another example of someone who doesn't do something trying to parlay the impression that it's not tolerated.[/QUOTE]Congratulations, I am sure your doctor is proud of you. It isn't that I don't like people who smoke, but that I prefer to avoid smoky environments as they make me sick. In the DR enclosed bars and restaurants are supposed to be non smoking zones, but they allow smoking in those restaurants and bars that are open to the air on three sides, even though this does not stop patrons being exposed to second hand smoke that swirls around inside.

Around the beginning of May several people I knew were complaining of upper respiratory infections or inflammations and some said they thought it had been due to exposure to cigar smoke in the'Latinos (an enclosed bar), where, in spite of having several bouncers, they were not enforcing the no smoking laws. A friend of mine who is a prominent local resident said that he was going to complain to the mayor's office about this. A few days later the'Latino's was closed. I am not necessarily saying this was cause and effect, but if the authorities are looking for an excuse to close a place, then I am sure they can pretty quickly find some reason or other related to noncompliance of some kind.

Yes, there may have been some chicas smoking outside of Classicos, but the majority of them don't smoke and don't particularly care to have to go home to children etc. With their clothing, skin etc. Smelling of cigarette smoke. However, when it comes to refusing to go with a guy because he smokes, there would be very few chicas who could afford to turn down any paying customer for any reason related to personal attractiveness, just like I have never heard of a hairdresser or barber refusing to serve a customer for the same reason, but plenty of customers will avoid a hairdresser who smells of tobacco as a matter of choice.

If the prostitution business eventually goes down the tubes, Sosua can always market itself as a destination for people who like to smoke in between courses at meals.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1591083]Thanks, Puntz79.

I'll be heading down quite soon for my second Sosua trip and during my first trip in June I thought to myself, "It'd be nice to go into any one of these smaller, empty bars and have a nice conversation / negotiation with some chicas instead of the 'putang Wal-Mart' of Rumba / the'Latin".

Since all but one of the "Wal-Marts" has closed do you think I will get my wish and find a dozen or so smaller joints doing good business with 20-30 business ladies hanging around looking to meet some new friends?[/QUOTE]Walk around Pedro Clisante and you should see chicas sitting at various bars. Sure, Classico and Merengue have a lot more now that they are back open, and the quality is good since it's a club and chicas make the effort to really dress up. But the other bars have girls sitting around too, the girls have to go somewhere or else it's the streets. And I probably saw more on the streets this time, which I don't necessarily consider to be a bad thing. And while police presence is increased, supposedly in an effort to reduce prostitution and take away girls. I did not see this happen the last few days. They are just standing there across from the'Latin and Rumba and seem more concerned with just making sure nothing goes wrong. I never saw a girl being taken away by police.

Also, there was pretty decent daytime action at the beach. Or if you just walk around town during the day, you will run into plenty of girls walking to and from the beach, or to and from bars etc.

For some good fresh fish, one should try Benjamin Fresh Seafood. It's on the beach way plaza street (left side if going down towards the beach). Small place, airy, but damn good seafood and the owner Benjamin is friendly.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1591076]

The talk here about the doom and gloom is only that. Talk![/QUOTE]Yes, of course it is just talk. But when you look at the overall direction of commercial establishments that profit from prostitution both locally and internationally, it seems to be trending towards doomsday, even if we have not yet arrived at the crack of doom. We have seen the closure of places like Passions and CMP, which I predicted right here months before it happened, and we have seen a concerted effort to close down prostitution-related businesses that are owned in the DR by foreigners and some of those foreigners deported.

I don't think that those men who have local girlfriends or lovers or those who travel to meet women and who speak Spanish and can blend in to the DR will be particularly affected, but the days of places where groups of men arrive at weekends so that they can walk around and pick up short time chicas in wholesale numbers may be severely diminished over time.

But yes, it does depend on how far the authorities wish to go. The next step would perhaps be going for foreign-owned hotels that cater to single male travelers. I don't know which ones are local owned or foreign owned, but they could probably find some violations, for example hotels that classify themselves as "Aparta-Hotels" so as to avoid the ITBIS tax by installing minimal kitchen facilities in guest rooms might run into trouble.

Yes, the DR economy certainly benefits from sex tourism, perhaps more than most people realize, but I think the government is under pressure from outside the country and has to at least create an appearance of toeing the line to avoid sanctions that could cost billions or lead to loss of borrowing facilities.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1591141]Yes, of course it is just talk. But when you look at the overall direction of commercial establishments that profit from prostitution both locally and internationally, it seems to be trending towards doomsday, even if we have not yet arrived at the crack of doom. [/QUOTE]I agree with your line of thought. I am glad there are countries like Germany, Spain and Holland (perhaps even the UK) that can still stand up to the puritanical wrath if not the BS bugbear of security talk. Yes, a whole bunch of people would eventually lose from the clampdown, in the US especially and the women, at the bottom of the totem pole in the DR.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1591136]If the prostitution business eventually goes down the tubes, Sosua can always market itself as a destination for people who like to smoke in between courses at meals.[/QUOTE]I like a cigarette with my morning coffee, one with my beer, and after good sex, but I observe the common sense courtesies.

The quiet enjoyment by others of alcohol, tobacco and commercial sex gets a lot of people up tight. Religious folks, politicians and those who just like telling other folks what they can and cannot do.

I thought that the DR was the last bastion of personal freedom, and I'd be sorry to see it go.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1590905]Frannie, this chick sent me a picture of herself in a hospital bed and said she's low on medicine. I told her I would pass her information along to you. I know how you hate to see them going without.[/QUOTE]Thats the new con. I don't know how long its been going on, but I saw two cousins post on their Whatsapp. A picture of themselves in a hospital bed with an iv in their arm.

The Dominican Republic gets a lot of foreign aid especially from the United States. The Last Thing they want is to be labeled a Sex Tourism Destination. Seems like there getting a lot of Political Pressure.

I Started going to sosua in 2010, its was a lot of fun until the weekend millionaires ruined it. RIP to Sosua 2010-2011. Sosua turned for a worst starting 2012. Awe well it was fun while it lasted.

There's Tons of other Spots Sex Tourism that are 10 x better than Sosua. These days a lot of mongers are keeping there mouth closed for fear these weekend millionaires will find out. They learned there lesson from Brazil and DR.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1591199]I like a cigarette with my morning coffee, one with my beer, and after good sex, but I observe the common sense courtesies.

The quiet enjoyment by others of alcohol, tobacco and commercial sex gets a lot of people up tight. Religious folks, politicians and those who just like telling other folks what they can and cannot do.

I thought that the DR was the last bastion of personal freedom, and I'd be sorry to see it go.[/QUOTE]Just my two cents.

Politicians will always say whatever BS they think voters want to hear.

I can understand that by trying to remake Sosua, they could hope to have a resort area with broader appeal.

That would be good for locals in many ways.

BUT,

Those same corrupt politicians make the DR an impoverished place, with little hope other than a visa to another country.

"Honest" jobs pay almost nothing, and for women, the sex industry is the only place they can make enough money for a better standard of living.

And in some respects, the Dominican attitude towards sex is surprisingly relaxed.

So, with many impoverished women inclined to make money with sex, and mongers willing to pay for it, people will find a way.

MAYBE sex commerce in Sosua might be changed to be less obvious, but with a supply and demand looking for each other, more discreet ways around will crop up.

I'd look for brothels, clubs, or red-light districts off the main street and chicas taking their business to side streets and outskirts of town.

IF it comes to that, I'd expect it all to continue, but more discreetly.

Hell, BlackBeard's has successfully fought back such hypocrisy, and FOD is not getting hassled (that I know of).

They have managed to stay alive by being "invisible" to the casual tourist.

Sex in the DR WILL continue, but MAYBE in another form.

This is not a rhetoric question. Is it possible that blackbeard or FOD will be forced to close down?

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1591278]Just my two cents.

Politicians will always say whatever BS they think voters want to hear.

I can understand that by trying to remake Sosua, they could hope to have a resort area with broader appeal.

That would be good for locals in many ways.

BUT,

Those same corrupt politicians make the DR an impoverished place, with little hope other than a visa to another country.

"Honest" jobs pay almost nothing, and for women, the sex industry is the only place they can make enough money for a better standard of living.

And in some respects, the Dominican attitude towards sex is surprisingly relaxed.

So, with many impoverished women inclined to make money with sex, and mongers willing to pay for it, people will find a way.

MAYBE sex commerce in Sosua might be changed to be less obvious, but with a supply and demand looking for each other, more discreet ways around will crop up.

I'd look for brothels, clubs, or red-light districts off the main street and chicas taking their business to side streets and outskirts of town.

IF it comes to that, I'd expect it all to continue, but more discreetly.

Hell, BlackBeard's has successfully fought back such hypocrisy, and FOD is not getting hassled (that I know of).

They have managed to stay alive by being "invisible" to the casual tourist.

Sex in the DR WILL continue, but MAYBE in another form.[/QUOTE]