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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2098236]Personally I am really glad about the smoking ban being enforced and that it has enough teeth in it to keep it enforced.

Now I can go to bars and stay longer and listen to music or play a game of pool. I doubt if the ban will keep smokers from coming, if so it is easily made up with non-smokers.

Non-smokers come on down. Restaurants are all non-smoking too. The non-smoking bars girls don't smell like smoke and aren't short of breath when having the big O![/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more, smoking bans are the greatest things and they make me happy. Nothing sucks more then trying to enjoy a nice dinner and some fuckhead is blowing smoke in your face or worse yet blowing smoke onto your food. Nothing sucks more then barfining a girl and having her hit you up to buy her some cigs when you don't smoke or worse yet not asking you if they can smoke in your own damn house but instead just light one the fuck up and think your not supposed to be upset about it. Smokers have no courtesy towards others at all. I learned the absolutely hate smoking when I was a kid sitting in the back seat of the car when my mother and father were just puffing away making me cough. SO I absolutely love the smoking ban

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Although some bars are tolerating customers smoking in the bar toilets, and yes bigger bars send their smoking customers upstairs, where on both occasions I was present when that happened, the customer could not see the girls from the non smoking area. One lot quickly returned from upstairs. Not prepared to stare at a wall whilst smoking, I suppose. Perhaps they could have large tv screens in the non smoking rooms / areas, channeled to the bar stage. Guys perv on screen whilst guzzling down some toxins?[/QUOTE]I don't get it: bigger bars send their smoking customers upstairs to the NON smoking area?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2098472]I don't get it: bigger bars send their smoking customers upstairs to the NON smoking area?[/QUOTE]If I or someone else said upstairs was the non smoking area, it was a typo, pure and simple.

Bigger bars usually have another floor level= upstairs. At XY or whatever (formerly Forbidden City) guys were escorted up to the next level, above us. Came back pretty quickly. Guessing they could not see the stage from where they were, above. At Bar-nana, upstairs, and view of girls etc totally cut off in elevated smoking area. .

Reckon bars will start bribing police to allow smoking in their bar. Very few Phil innovations last the test of time. No Smoking might go the way of previous endeavours. But right now No Smoking, is being enforced.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2098459]I couldn't agree more, smoking bans are the greatest things and they make me happy. Nothing sucks more then trying to enjoy a nice dinner and some fuckhead is blowing smoke in your face or worse yet blowing smoke onto your food. Nothing sucks more then barfining a girl and having her hit you up to buy her some cigs when you don't smoke or worse yet not asking you if they can smoke in your own damn house but instead just light one the fuck up and think your not supposed to be upset about it. Smokers have no courtesy towards others at all. I learned the absolutely hate smoking when I was a kid sitting in the back seat of the car when my mother and father were just puffing away making me cough. SO I absolutely love the smoking ban[/QUOTE]Under strict Sharia law, smokers can expect a vigorous public flogging. Exposing non-smokers to secondhand smoke is a form of assault. I would not take a girl if I know she is a smoker. Smokers have extremely bad breath. No one wants to root a girl with smoker's lung who keeps coughing up mucus balls. Smokers are the laziest workers, as they constantly need to take smoke breaks.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2098459]I couldn't agree more, smoking bans are the greatest things and they make me happy. Nothing sucks more then trying to enjoy a nice dinner and some fuckhead is blowing smoke in your face or worse yet blowing smoke onto your food. Nothing sucks more then barfining a girl and having her hit you up to buy her some cigs when you don't smoke or worse yet not asking you if they can smoke in your own damn house but instead just light one the fuck up and think your not supposed to be upset about it. Smokers have no courtesy towards others at all. I learned the absolutely hate smoking when I was a kid sitting in the back seat of the car when my mother and father were just puffing away making me cough. SO I absolutely love the smoking ban[/QUOTE]I agree with all the above. The worst is even after making sure the bg is a non-smoker is smelling the smoke in her hair doing missionary. Most girls have absolutely long soft and beautiful hair that I like to run my hands thru during sex in miss and cowgirl.

I have even made them shampoo and use conditioner in their hair before we start. The smell is still lingering in their hair. What a turnoff.

Hi all just wondering is there a problem in Philippines where girls from the top clubs will only go with Korean or Japanese guys?

I have read that white men are just left with the ugly girls. Is this true? I don't mind paying whatever is the market rate for top girls.

You can still hookup.

No problem.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2098532]Hi all just wondering is there a problem in Philippines where girls from the top clubs will only go with Korean or Japanese guys?

I have read that white men are just left with the ugly girls. Is this true? I don't mind paying whatever is the market rate for top girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2098532]Hi all just wondering is there a problem in Philippines where girls from the top clubs will only go with Korean or Japanese guys?

I have read that white men are just left with the ugly girls. Is this true? I don't mind paying whatever is the market rate for top girls.[/QUOTE]Only subjectively. You pay you play.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2098532]Hi all just wondering is there a problem in Philippines where girls from the top clubs will only go with Korean or Japanese guys?

I have read that white men are just left with the ugly girls. Is this true? I don't mind paying whatever is the market rate for top girls.[/QUOTE]One things that stands out for me from the question is what is a "top girl"? A stunner, A stunner with brown skin, A stunner with white skin?, A stunner who is a starfish? Is a top girl an enthusiastic girl that will fuck your brains out all night?

So many definitions of what a top girl is. Enjoy every minute defining what is a Top Girl as for me, a Top Girl is going to have more that looks. A mate and I were chatting to two "top girls" at Atlantis, he had done his deal and was prepared to pay whatever it took to get that girl. My girl was playing hard to get. I got tired when I saw the game, walked out and found another Top Girl. Next morning while my "Top Girl" was still happy to play the official snotty top girl had her rules and she was out by 7:30 am.

It is so much fun here.

BD.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2098566]One things that stands out for me from the question is what is a "top girl"? A stunner, A stunner with brown skin, A stunner with white skin?, A stunner who is a starfish? Is a top girl an enthusiastic girl that will fuck your brains out all night?

So many definitions of what a top girl is. Enjoy every minute defining what is a Top Girl as for me, a Top Girl is going to have more that looks. A mate and I were chatting to two "top girls" at Atlantis, he had done his deal and was prepared to pay whatever it took to get that girl. My girl was playing hard to get. I got tired when I saw the game, walked out and found another Top Girl. Next morning while my "Top Girl" was still happy to play the official snotty top girl had her rules and she was out by 7:30 am.

It is so much fun here.
[/QUOTE]Just a passing thought after reading about some of the nonsense you AC guys have to endure on your searches for a "top girl" or for just a "nice girl" for that matter. I have been to AC 4 or 5 times and I have always had a good time and met really nice girls, but I haven't been back there since 2015. Why? Because I prefer Manila girls. Manila girls don't play these silly games. They do not have any Korean hang-ups. I walk into any bar on Burgos or in EDSA, I check things out, I select a girl to have a drink with or not, it's up to me, and in less than 5 minutes she will be all over me massaging my dick and exposing her breasts for me to sample. I have never met a Manila bar girl yet that did not want me to barfine her unless she was already spoken for that evening and was waiting for her man to arrive. And in the bedroom Manila girls have never disappointed me either.

So, I wonder why this BS goes on in AC. I mean we are talking about Pinays, right? I think the world of Pinays and their special brand of GFE. And I as I said, I am well aware that there are plenty of nice ones in AC too, but what the fuck! Why so much BS? Is it the Korean presence? To hell with those dicks. I have more game and personality than them plus I can outspend them any night of the week if I so want to. It's strange, the Koreans don't bother me one bit in BKK or anywhere else I usually go. I am just wondering what it is with AC and some of the Pinays bar girls that work here. Is there something in the water? LOL. I used to think the problem was in the EWR structure where the girls only received a portion of the money. But the EWR or whatever you want to call it has risen substantially since I was last there, so I can't explain this phenomenon.

As to "top girls" or my take on them. There are 3 stages a girl must pass through in order to become a top girl for me. Stage 1: a girl has to be my spec (sexy, hot, no fat, and pretty) or she is not going to get my attention in the 1st place. Stage 2: After getting my attention, a girl has to be nice and have a friendly (you know what I mean) demure personality in the bar or our relationship ends after 1 or 2 drinks. Stage 3: the final hurdle is how she looks naked and how she performs in the bed. Passing all these measures makes a girl a "top girl" or a girl I want to see again and again. That's my definition of Top Girl.

But I can see that the bar might have a different definition of "Top Girl" and that would be a girl that generates revenue ie gets barfined a lot, earns a lot of money, and or acts as a rainmaker for the bar drawing in customers and selling a lot of booze. But if all that goes to her head then she is not a Top Girl to me, more like the opposite, a girl to avoid. Perhaps a better term to use in describing a a good looking girl is Stunner which conveys more precisely how she looks.

Here are two examples of "top girls" from first and second tiers. Koreans prefer these types to the more indigenous swarthy exotic beauties from the remote regions of Samar that white men crave.

Manila bar girls are in the bar to work. They have to pay the hairdresser and makeup artist to prep them for the stage. Some Manila bars deduct penalties from their base salaries if girls fail to make their quota for commissions. Therefore, they do not play around because they lose money on payday if their earnings come up short. It would take a very popular girl to make that quota on drinks alone. Then she would have to starve herself avoid turning into a fatty from all those empty calories.

AC bar girls are in the bar to find a husband or a few rich long-term boyfriends while working with potential candidates. They do have to make sales quotas and have lower expenses. Therefore, they can get by on their base salary while knocking back mongers who fail to meet their high standards.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2098487]Under strict Sharia law, smokers can expect a vigorous public flogging. Exposing non-smokers to secondhand smoke is a form of assault. I would not take a girl if I know she is a smoker. Smokers have extremely bad breath. No one wants to root a girl with smoker's lung who keeps coughing up mucus balls. Smokers are the laziest workers, as they constantly need to take smoke breaks.[/QUOTE]I often walked out of bar shows before because of the stench of fag smoke. Often I had to change seats because someone lit up a cancer stick right next to me. So glad this is changing for the good of all. I could really see that nicotine is an addictive drug and the smokers were not in control of their body and mind.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2098566]One things that stands out for me from the question is what is a "top girl"?[/QUOTE]IMO, the definition of "top girl" should be the most popular girls that are barfined all the time, girls that in the most demand. Since most guys (over half) go for beauty, and since most guys (way over half) has the same definition of beauty (thanks to Madison Avenue), the "top girls" are obvious to most people.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2098646]Manila girls don't play these silly games. They do not have any Korean hang-ups. I walk into any bar on Burgos or in EDSA, I check things out, I select a girl to have a drink with or not, it's up to me, and in less than 5 minutes she will be all over me massaging my dick and exposing her breasts for me to sample. I have never met a Manila bar girl yet that did not want me to barfine her unless she was already spoken for that evening and was waiting for her man to arrive. And in the bedroom Manila girls have never disappointed me either.

So, I wonder why this BS goes on in AC.[/QUOTE]IMO, it's because of the prices affecting supply and demand.

Makati is expensive. I haven't been there for several years. I am on a moderate budget. In Makati, barfine is around 2 or 3 K pesos? The tip is around 3, 4 or 5 K pesos? I don't like to spend more than $100 US on one girl (I will with 2 or 3 girls!)

Angeles is budget. On a 3 K pesos barfine, the girls get around 1400 or 1500 pesos.

When you go into a top notch bar in Makati at 10 PM, there are numerous top notch girls still available. They probably will be willing to be barfined by most / all customers. Probably some of them will not be barfined for that night. In Angeles, all the popular girls are offered barfines every single day! This is the key point. The popular girls can choose their preference in customers and dictate the terms (no CIM, no lesbian show, no longtime, sometimes even no BJ).

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2098646]Why so much BS? Is it the Korean presence? To hell with those dicks.[/QUOTE]LOL! You should have written "To hell with those small dicks".

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2098532]Hi all just wondering is there a problem in Philippines where girls from the top clubs will only go with Korean or Japanese guys?

I have read that white men are just left with the ugly girls. Is this true? I don't mind paying whatever is the market rate for top girls.[/QUOTE]The problem is only if you are not Korean, Japanese, Chinese, or Singaporean with some of the girls in Angeles or Sabang. If you are White, go to Manila for a guarantee top notch girl.

If you are White, there are still many girls that are decent that will be willing to be barfined. There are even top notch girls that will accept White guys.

It will be worst (i.e. Have a lower percentage of girls that are willing to be barfined) if you are Indian, Malay, or Black.

I've talked to many girls over the years. Many say that have never been and never will be barfined by an Indian. I ask why. They say because they smell. I say to myself, WTF! Then I ask them, don't some Koreans absolutely stink after they eat and drink raw garlic and soju. They just giggle. I ask them what if the Indian doesn't smell. They don't answer. Many girls don't want to be bafined by Blacks. They say their dicks are too big. I ask them what if they show you that they have small dicks. They don't answer. But note that I've heard that some girls that do go out with Black guys, really really like them. Is that old saying true? Once you go Black, you can't go back.

I'm not sure. Are the Pinays racist? Ignorant? Culturally racist? Third world?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2098532]Hi all just wondering is there a problem in Philippines where girls from the top clubs will only go with Korean or Japanese guys?

I have read that white men are just left with the ugly girls. Is this true? I don't mind paying whatever is the market rate for top girls.[/QUOTE]Chinese, Korean or Japanese guys are sought out by working girls in clubs around the globe. Anyone who has been to an FKK in Germany, for example, will be familiar with the sight of the hottest girls making a bee line for any Asian guy who enters the club. The reason is simple; they are a hassle free session. No big dicks, no long banging in different positions and no extras except for easily obtainable tips. A win / win situation for the girls.

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The problem is only if you are not Korean, Japanese, Chinese, or Singaporean with some of the girls in Angeles or Sabang. If you are White, go to Manila for a guarantee top notch girl.
I'm not sure. Are the Pinays racist? Ignorant? Culturally racist? Third world?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the honest post. No I don't think Pinays are racist. I think they're trying to make a buck. I think they are told by Asian men if they go with white men, they won't have anymore Asian customers.