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[QUOTE=Run Mann]Good to see the modification to your report and you contradicting yourself. In the end, no matter how much we may think we know about this subject we actually never know. People who come out and make blanket statement as if the world revolved around only them are just full of themselves. No one knows it all about anything; our experiences may or may not apply to others.

Contradiction, first you said the only people who CAN really lean are middle class, but reversed yourself below.[/QUOTE]Good lord, I would hope people could read between the lines and understand I'm talking majority and not special cases. Do I have to footnote everything?

"I love all pie!" "Well, do you love insect pie?" "Come on, dude."

We all learn math in grade school and high school but I don't know too many people who only went to high school who can still do algebra. Yeah, there are special cases... but all I'm trying to say is those hunting for a freebie outside of Itaewon or areas where the subset of Korean women who want a white meal ticket go will find the going very difficult. Economic and cultural conditions in Korea aren't the same as Thailand, China, the Philippines, etc. One should not come to Seoul expecting Korea to be a carbon copy of less developed places in Asia. Why do young asian women in, say, the Philippines attach themselves to an older white guy? Economic and cultural reasons. Those rules don't apply here.

The vast majority of young Korean women in university are there because their parents have financial resources. To get into university in Korea you have to spend nearly every waking hour in expensive night schools preparing for exams. The only people who can afford those schools are middle and upper classed families. The daughters of those families have expectations similar to a woman in a good university in North America. If college debs aren't throwing themselves at you in North America, don't expect your white skin to make much of a difference in Korea. That's the reality.

Koreans in Korea view Korean society as the superior society. Americans are the barbarians. The majority of Koreans I encounter can't imagine living any place else. This place is perfect to them. They're like Texans.

If they're female, fluent in English, and have a university degree, they can make a good life here. Of course what passes for good English ability in Korea would seem FOBish to North Americans in a professional environment. They understand a life in North America means starting at the bottom again. No more sweet office job at Samsung. It's two years working in a Korean restaurant as a waitress and two years of intensive English education. They're not willing to trade that because you have a backyard. And let's not even talk about that they know they'll be disowned by their family and called ***** by their friends and coworkers.

The other reality is vying for the 20something's attention is a legion of 20something English teachers and GIs. So there you are 40, in your khaki pants and your vendor supplied golf shirt in Sinchon or Edae. And there's a 19 year old GI who looks like Usher. And there's a 25 year old ESL teacher who looks like Beckham. And there's a 21 year old hottie in a plaid mini skirt and kneesocks and she's on the hunt. Yeah, you got a shot. C'mon.

You made a definite statement that said the ONLY Koreans that can learn English the ones from middle class who can afford night school and that the public school was a joke it relation to learning English because they could ONLY learn it in private school. There is no reading between the lines those are "absolute” statements. There’s no ambiguity about that statement, read what you wrote and be a man about it. You seem to think you know so much about Korean women because you've been with a few. You're about as much of an expert as these hookers at relationship. I don't read this board to read between the lines, I read what is presented as is. If you were clear about what you write and don't write crap you would be better understood. Your pie analogy is way out of whack, its totally different from your absolute statement. If your talking about the majority of cases then say that, don't say "only", no reasonable reader would know you mean majority when you say “only”, the word only is a definite and absolute word, it leaves no room for anything else. You still cannot show no matter how much garbage you write what the fat guy's chances are. Your limited experiences (as everyone's else) are yours and should be presented as just that.


[QUOTE=Cute Guy 9000]Good lord, I would hope people could read between the lines and understand I'm talking majority and not special cases. Do I have to footnote everything?

"I love all pie!" "Well, do you love insect pie?" "Come on, dude."

We all learn math in grade school and high school but I don't know too many people who only went to high school who can still do algebra. Yeah, there are special cases... but all I'm trying to say is those hunting for a freebie outside of Itaewon or areas where the subset of Korean women who want a white meal ticket go will find the going very difficult. .

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These people are living in one of the world's top economy, I hope they've started to pay their bills, maybe a fat guy with money could come in and lend some assistance. Out of 3.7 Million Koreans defaulting on their loans, the fat guy should be able to score with at least one percent of the women involved.

More Koreans behind on loans

A surge in credit is now coming back to bite Koreans - 3.7 million are in default of their loans.

SEOUL, South Korea (Reuters) -- The number of South Koreans unable to repay loans and make credit card payments was at a record high by the end of December, a new report says.

One in ten aged 15 and older -- 3.72 million citizens -- were classified as credit delinquents, up 1.98 percent from a month earlier, the Korea Federation of Banks said Thursday.

The federation defines a credit delinquent as someone who misses debt payments worth at least 300,000 won ($250) for at least three straight months.

As the economy has slumped and authorities have tightened regulations on card firms' risk management, South Korea saw the number of defaulters rise by 1.08 million in 2003, the federation said.

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[QUOTE=Cute Guy 9000]Let me kill some fantasies for middle agers+ coming to Seoul looking to pick up some 20 year old in a miniskirt and kneesocks:

Seoul isn't the sticks of China. Seoul is the capital of one of the world's top economies. In short, women aren't looking for a meal ticket out of here, especially the ones who speak english. They're middle classed and have good career opportunities. . And there's a huge market of Korean men willing to pay for play.[/QUOTE]

Why are we talking, and taking up space, about Korean credit card debt and ability to speak English...I thought this was a SEX forum.

Quote by Cute Guy 9000...The vast majority of young Korean women in university are there because their parents have financial resources. To get into university in Korea you have to spend nearly every waking hour in expensive night schools preparing for exams. The only people who can afford those schools are middle and upper classed families. The daughters of those families have expectations similar to a woman in a good university in North America. If college debs aren't throwing themselves at you in North America, don't expect your white skin to make much of a difference in Korea. That's the reality.

Koreans in Korea view Korean society as the superior society. Americans are the barbarians. The majority of Koreans I encounter can't imagine living any place else. This place is perfect to them. They're like Texans.

If they're female, fluent in English, and have a university degree, they can make a good life here. Of course what passes for good English ability in Korea would seem FOBish to North Americans in a professional environment. They understand a life in North America means starting at the bottom again. No more sweet office job at Samsung. It's two years working in a Korean restaurant as a waitress and two years of intensive English education. They're not willing to trade that because you have a backyard. And let's not even talk about that they know they'll be disowned by their family and called ***** by their friends and coworkers.end quote

My response, BS. Why? What are these so called rich daddies girls going to college for anyway? Korean companies do not keep Korean women working once they reach around 30 years of age! These women go to college for one big reason...to meet a man. Period. They are looking for the sons of rich parents. Very few Koreans are fluent in English. Kongolish, yes. English, no.
Most Korean women who marry Korean men are miserable! Husbands are spending all their time in fuck houses, chasing tail, etc. just like the rest of us. These same women who went to the better Korean universities are not working in high profile companies! Very very few Korean women are working in big name companies as VP's or Presidents. So much for going to college in Korea.
And I'll close with this; Is Korea the desirable choice for visitors or those looking for fun times? No. Most of the time, Koreans are their own worse enemy. Many people I know make it a point never to buy any Korean products on principle. Why? They do not want to support such a rabidly nationalistic, xenophobic and mercantilist economy. Koreans are so predatory and nationalistic. They have a closed economy and a zero-sum attitude to trade. Protectionism in the early stages of an economy is not unreasonable. Dealing with Koreans is like dealing with bright adolescents. They're full of energy and want to do everything yesterday. But they throw tantrums and are prone to dangerous and erratic behavior if their whims are not indulged. In most countries, intellectuals become universal. You learn that great ideas and values have no national boundaries. What is profoundly disturbing is that Korean intellectuals become more xenophobic and nationalistic, and perpetuate the idea that all of Korea's problems are the result of willfulness by foreigners. This is the mark of a scoundrel. Korean society makes a sharp distinction between an individual's inner circle of family, friends and business colleagues, and outsiders. Members of the inner circle must always be treated with absolute respect and courtesy, while strangers are treated with indifference. Korean society is not egalitarian: a person's status is strictly defined in relation to others. How do foreigners and or the US military fit into this scheme? The simple answer is they don't. Koreans however do want your money but once they get it, you are useless to them. Look at the Japanese that visit Korea. Many Koreans hate the Japanese, but to their faces, they welcome them because they want their money. Behind their backs, many Koreans are backstabbers.
I'm not anti Korea nor am I flaming them. They do a great job of that themselves.
This is not meant to sound sexism...but the women are great...it's the Korean men that ruin everything

Hold on SCUBA,

I am here for advice on how to get laid more often, but since we are on the topic. Let get something right.

Only an ignorant person would make such denagrating generalities about an entire culture and its people. Korean's are not much different than anyone else. They are subject to the same human imperfections that the rest of us are. It would be safe to say that they are pursuing the same self promotion that we took when penetrating foreign markets a few decades ago.

I believe that your distaste for Koreans is probably due to your poor experiences with them, which is probably a refelction of your deficient personality. All I can say is that I am usually well treated in this country. I think that the disgust that you are displaying on this site is indicative of the way you interact with others. If I met you on the street, and saw you demonstrate such spite and racisist tendencies towards others, I would treat you like a stay dog starved of affection from even bloodsucking fleas. I don't think that anyone should tolerate the tone of your remarks because they represent only the worst in people. Oh yes, In America, we have major problems with Road Rage and violent assaults; does this make all American Violent Barbarians.

One more thing, Korean women don't go to college to get married. That is the most absurd thing that I have heard. People, regardless of race or nationality have dreams and desire even though those dreams and deisres may have a glass ceiling on them; hell, we still have that problem back in the States. Bye the way, I am sure that most people (anywhere) want to marry well; Dont' tell me that you would prefer to marry a convicted criminal with a sordid past instead of someone friendly and well educated from a good family.

Hey Scuba Dork,

You are no expert on Korean Society or economics so drop it because you make yourself sound like an idiot. Korea is the 11th largest economy in the world and it has penetrated markets that most others have failed to enter (you know...the trade barrier thing > do you sense the sarcasim?). It is also going to actively pursue tactics to protect its economy and global interests, just like any other industrialized economy. Try writing about something that you know about.

Oh yes, Korean women prefer Korean men because they better understand each other. That is a "no brainer". There are many expressions in Korean that cannot be expressed with words in English. This alone makes a huge difference. I happen to know many Koreans and Cute GUY 9000 is correct, Middle class and upperclass Koreans have no reason to leave Korea. It is their country, they understand it, they are familiar with it, and they have everything that they would need in any fully developed economy. how would you like to move to Nigeria or India for the rest of yor life? Think about it SCUBA. How dare you think that we are superior to anyone. how dare you think that any Korean woman would leave her country just to live in ours. You need some lessons in maturity and humility because you make me sick. I hope that you grow up and then go back in the future, so that you can open your eyes to these people and their culture. Unfortunately, people don't usually change, so I think that you will continue to deprive yourself of the beautiful things that this country and its peopl have to offer.

You know, I remembe the days when the post were about how to get laid in RLDs by hot Korean and foreign chicks, but Crap, what the hell happened. I am sitting here thinking what the HELL!!!!. Half of the post on this web site are lies about some lame ass middle aged fantasy and the other half it about some punks lame ass fantasy.

I am an American that lives in Korea. I am well educated, work for one of the World's largest Banks, and I look pretty damn good; however, I have a hard time hooking up with the more educated college girls, so what the fuck is everyone talking about. Lets be honest. The only chicks that we are going to lay are the ones that sell the shit to us. So why doesn't someone post something useful, like how to get girls to give us Scope or Listerine BJs without a coat on, or better yet, which Barber shop to hit in order to pound some nice Korean Pussy instead of a used up 30 year old with a messed up face and nasty teeth. No on here is dating any Korean Girls and if you were you would not be wasting your time here. That is the fucking truth.

No how about them post, aye boys. Lets get some juicy fucking tips on how to really get laid at a nice discount from the pros that can really satisfy. Beside, if any of you really laid a real korean lady, then you would know that they play hard to get first and then they are pretty damn bad in bed because the don;t want to sucky sucky of get off their backs. MAN.

I hope that I don't have to continue because I will drill down any liars with worthless information; beware, you might be able to tell a good story, but if you can't answer my questions when I drill you down, then your a punk and you have jsut been busted.

Hey Some new phots would be good if anyone has any. Seeeeee Yahhhhh.

[QUOTE=Bangalot]Hold on SCUBA,

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Oh you poor thing...did I hit a sore spot?! Get a life.
I stand by the post.
And again...where are all these college women working? Very few are running Korean companies and even fewer are in upper management. Or even lower management!
It is not an attact on Koreans, so don't put words in my mouth. And I have no problems in Korea with either men or women.
I am only pointing out the facts as I have seen them since living in Korea for 29 years.
You can post whatever you like..it's a free world...but...don't show me or the world your ignorance by personal attacks/name calling on this site.
I don't think anyone is superior to another, we are all the same. Even you.
I'm not going to even respond to any further comments from you.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]You made a definite statement that said the ONLY Koreans that can learn English the ones from middle class who can afford night school and that the public school was a joke it relation to learning English because they could ONLY learn it in private school. There is no reading between the lines those are "absolute” statements. There’s no ambiguity about that statement, read what you wrote and be a man about it. You seem to think you know so much about Korean women because you've been with a few. You're about as much of an expert as these hookers at relationship. I don't read this board to read between the lines, I read what is presented as is. If you were clear about what you write and don't write crap you would be better understood. Your pie analogy is way out of whack, its totally different from your absolute statement. If your talking about the majority of cases then say that, don't say "only", no reasonable reader would know you mean majority when you say “only”, the word only is a definite and absolute word, it leaves no room for anything else. You still cannot show no matter how much garbage you write what the fat guy's chances are. Your limited experiences (as everyone's else) are yours and should be presented as just that.[/QUOTE]Think a moment. The better prostitutes in Korea have standards and won't sleep with non-Asians. If that's not indicitive of the state of affairs here, I don't know what is. If you could point to some stories on this board of middle aged men having great success trolling outside Itaewon for younger english speaking Korean women, I'd love to read it. I can't recall seeing any. Check the Thailand or Flip boards and lots of men have their little lists of web cam babes they're going to meet in country. Odd you don't see that here on the Korean board, no?

I see a lot of white middle aged men walk into Starbucks. I don't see many Korean women raising their eyes to take a look. I don't even see them taking a look at a good looking younger guy.

Yes, please, come to Seoul and believe whatever you want. Don't take the advice of people who live here and deal with Korean women every day and know the score. The majority opinion of ex pats in Seoul is Korean women are image conscious and spend their early 20s looking for a Korean man who can provide them with designer purses and satisfy their parents ego. I take the less materialistic view that Korean women are actually cognizent of their opportunities in Korea and the ones with education and fluency don't assume a white guy is their ticket to success but they can build a good life here. Yeah, many of us came here thinking being a westerner would be like being the guy with a british accent in a North American pub. Oh how the women swoon. Ain't like that here. The queston is why. Economics, opportunity, and cultural pressures are different here, elements you don't tap into until you live here.

The first time I came to Korea, in year 2000, you would get a lot of random young women talking to you in Starbucks or the subway. But after World Cup and the introduction of foreign teachers in high schools and grade schools, Koreans seem to have gotten their fill of foreigners. And with the recent ESL teacher scandal, there are fewer Korean women really anxious to be seen on the arm of a white guy. Image is king here.

If you're looking for a nation with easy, white lovin' Asian women who think white people are all rich, I don't know too many people who would put Korea, or at least Seoul, near the top of their list.

But again, you know, have your own fantasy.

[QUOTE=Bangalot]... So why doesn't someone post something useful, like how to get girls to give us Scope or Listerine BJs without a coat on, or better yet, which Barber shop to hit in order to pound some nice Korean Pussy instead of a used up 30 year old with a messed up face and nasty teeth. No on here is dating any Korean Girls and if you were you would not be wasting your time here. That is the fucking truth.

No how about them post, aye boys. Lets get some juicy fucking tips on how to really get laid at a nice discount from the pros that can really satisfy. Beside, if any of you really laid a real korean lady, then you would know that they play hard to get first and then they are pretty damn bad in bed because the don;t want to sucky sucky of get off their backs. MAN.

I hope that I don't have to continue because I will drill down any liars with worthless information; beware, you might be able to tell a good story, but if you can't answer my questions when I drill you down, then your a punk and you have jsut been busted.

Hey Some new phots would be good if anyone has any. Seeeeee Yahhhhh.[/QUOTE]Writes someone who has a grand total of ten posts, the two most recent of which were useless diatribes. You have to give a little to get a little, freeloader.

And can someone please explain to me why so many f*ckups who brag of being so good-looking and well-educated with good jobs can't write or spell worth a damn?

Nothing but garbage, prostitutes won't sleep with non-Asians because of their standards? What? Their standards? What is the qualification for classifying them as "better" and how do you know it's because of "standards" that they won't sleep with non-Asians. Again you're speaking for a whole group and offer nothing to back up your claim. How in the world do you know this stuff? I've live here way before 2000, but will never speak for any group as you have unless I have facts to back it up. Write stuff you can back up not crap that revolve around you, it's not reflective of any nation or group as a whole. Quit while you're behind.

[QUOTE=Cute Guy 9000]Think a moment. The better prostitutes in Korea have standards and won't sleep with non-Asians. If that's not indicitive of the state of affairs here, I don't know what is.

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How silly is this? The fact that something is not written on a sex board with a limited (relatively speaking) number of members does not mean that it doesn't happen. Really intelligent comment! This comment really says it all about you. Using this board as a barometer to measure events in a country or group really tells so much about your research or lack of. Keep pulling stuff out of the air. Middle age guys come on over those of you not already here and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] this crusader off, he just doesn’t want you to succeed.

[QUOTE=Cute Guy 9000]I don't know what is. If you could point to some stories on this board of middle aged men having great success trolling outside Itaewon for younger english speaking Korean women, I'd love to read it. I can't recall seeing any. Check the Thailand or Flip boards and lots of men have their little lists of web cam babes they're going to meet in country. Odd you don't see that here on the Korean board, no?

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For fans of In and Out Massage, they've added a new twist to their service. You now have to shower before the massage. This normally would be a good thing if the girl was washing you down, but no, you perform a solo act. They have a robe for you to use to go to the shower room. BTW, they don't change that robe or that oversize pants after every customer as they should. I don't use that pants though, I just use my drawers.

Too many smelly dick johns, the girl said. The girls are a little smarter too (or someone is) , the last couple told me "mens Isayo" when my hands went down there. Nothing more than not wanting you to finger them, but pretty creative. Try Gina if she is there, you can perform a pap smear on her and she won't mind.

[QUOTE=Darren 33]What's the deal with Friends (Soongsil) these days? I'm not sure, but am under the impression that they do not want foreigners there anymore. Are you still getting regular service there without any hassles?[/QUOTE]Not sure Darren but I was thinking of popping over there on the weekend, the last report here was very very good, have you experienced something different?